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05:36:33 <esowiki> [[Talk:Noobinary]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54539 * Rdebath * (+579) /* Turing Completeness */ new section
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06:07:56 <zzo38> I don't like what they do with the legendary sorceries in the new Magic: the Gathering set. It should be a new keyword ability instead. (Those cards can still be legendary, though.) This and the "any target" are the two things I don't like; everything else looks good as far as I can tell (but I didn't see everything about it).
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06:44:40 <zzo38> What is your opinion?
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07:08:45 <danil> Hello! May anyone recommend a good language for esolang implementation?
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07:27:20 <zzo38> What do you want to make? If you are trying to implement some esolang, look up the [[Category:Unimplemented]] perhaps.
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07:33:31 <danil> I mean if I want to implement a esolang, what will be the best language to do this. I know this is opinion-based!
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07:34:22 <danil> For example: Haskell, Ruby...
07:34:27 <zzo38> It depends what esolang you are trying to implement.
07:35:46 <danil> Ok. For a Tape-based one, what is my best choice?
07:38:03 <zzo38> I don't know so well Ruby programming, but you could represent a tape as an array in many programming languages, although a tape can also be represented in Haskell easily enough too
07:38:32 <danil> Ok. I just said Ruby as a example, BTW.
07:40:24 <zzo38> Use the programming language you like, I suppose.
07:43:11 <danil> Thank you. Recently I had enormous trouble with global variables in python. Errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:44:51 <danil> Can you change a global variable in a def() command?
07:45:39 <zzo38> Unfortunately I don't know Python programming so well either. (I have modified a few Python programs before, but do not remember much about it.)
07:47:02 <danil> Python was meant to be easy to learn. What is it now? A total mishmash!
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08:01:14 <danil> Yes! I repaired my program!
08:02:40 <zzo38> What program is that?
08:07:13 <danil> A interpreter for my own programming language. The one had global variable errors with.
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08:08:41 <danil> Thanks to O'Reilly!
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08:12:45 <danil> Do we add our languages to [[Category:Languages]]?
08:13:01 <esowiki> [[User talk:Hq9++fan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54540&oldid=54527 * Hq9++fan * (+188)
08:13:31 <zzo38> Add [[Category:Languages]] into your page in order to set the category of that page. There are other categories too.
08:15:33 <danil> I mean is [[Category:Languages]] compulsory? Do you have to add your language to the language list?
08:17:22 <esowiki> [[Haddock2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54541&oldid=54147 * Singingbanana * (+23)
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09:51:37 <esowiki> [[Mishmash]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54548 * Singingbanana * (+907) Created page with "Mishmash is a Idea developed by [[User:Singingbanana]]. There are three commands: A, X and output, but it also contains 2 variables: one and two. On initialization, one is 1 a..."
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10:23:35 <esowiki> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54549&oldid=54036 * Hq9++fan * (+292)
10:23:51 <zzo38> I wrote how a Sokoban game might be implemented in Free Hero Mesh: https://arin.ga/29e5QH (the Loc and BroadcastSum commands, as well as the ability to define actions of inputs in this way, and the ability for Density to be negative, are all new to Free Hero Mesh)
10:24:40 <zzo38> Do you think is a good way to be able to define a puzzle game like that? Once Free Hero Mesh is written enough to do so, then, it can be done.
10:25:57 <zzo38> One idea might be that I might add a top level (Goal) command into Free Hero Mesh, so that the BEGIN_TURN line can be removed and instead at top level code you can add: (Goal $Box #TEST 0 0 BroadcastSum lnot)
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11:32:09 <esowiki> [[Unary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54550&oldid=54472 * Hq9++fan * (+59) /* Links */
11:35:03 <esowiki> [[Talk:Noobinary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54551&oldid=54539 * Ais523 * (+350) it's a PDA
11:36:57 <esowiki> [[Unary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54552&oldid=54550 * Ais523 * (-31) partial rv; that's not how <includeonly> works at all. (But having both categories is probably reasonable; we're inconsistent about whether we do that or not.)
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12:09:32 <zzo38> quintopia: It is a program I am writing, to make up and play a puzzle game on computer.
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12:14:46 <zzo38> Everett Kaser made up a Hero Mesh game, but has several problems including, many bugs, not compatible with Linux, proprietary software, a limit of 512 pictures (and since each class needs at least one picture, also a limit of 512 classes), and others. So, Free Hero Mesh is made to be the better way. I already wrote a program to convert puzzle sets from Hero Mesh into Free Hero Mesh.
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12:16:46 <zzo38> Does this answer your question suitably?
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13:17:46 <esowiki> [[Unreadable]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54584&oldid=54553 * ZM * (-13) That's also not how <includeonly> works; unmatched tags are bad and would you ever use this page as a template?
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14:23:42 <esowiki> [[ZTOALC L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54585&oldid=54519 * Reinier * (+87) Added truth-machine example
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15:12:36 <int-e> wtf is up with the reported page size on https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hq9%2B%2Bfan&action=history
15:16:17 <int-e> Oh it's real... lots and lots of spaces :-(
15:17:07 <int-e> (smiley because I cannot think of a benign reason for pushing it that far)
15:18:53 <fizzie> Uh. I can't think of a non-benign intentional reason either. I don't know what happened there.
15:19:27 <fizzie> It's a lot of spaces for sure.
15:22:33 <int-e> Well, I guess the most benign reason is "I wonder what the maximum page size is on this wiki".
15:27:03 <fizzie> I'm confused by the changes though. There's a few that just remove spaces.
15:27:56 <fizzie> (Was expecting something to be encoded in it, but it looks to be just 0x20 all the way.)
15:28:14 <int-e> Well at least they compress well...
15:29:04 <int-e> (Which is how I misdiagnosed this in the first place... I expected a 1MB page to take a while to load for me on the low bandwidth connection.)
15:29:11 <fizzie> I'm not sure how that gets stored in the MediaWiki database though.
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15:30:17 <int-e> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Reduce_size_of_the_database#Compress_page_text ... "By default, MediaWiki saves text into the database uncompressed."
15:30:43 <fizzie> Wonder if it also keeps all revisions as-is, or as deltas.
15:31:02 <fizzie> "By default, MediaWiki saves a full copy of every version of every page on the wiki, which can add up on frequently-edited pages."
15:31:05 <fizzie> Guess that answers it.
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15:33:09 <fungot`> int-e: i am aware that, gasp, pairs are scheme objects.)
15:33:52 <int-e> I like that "gasp".
15:34:07 <danil> > "The answer to life, the universe and everything"
15:34:10 <lambdabot> "The answer to life, the universe and everything"
15:34:12 <fizzie> $datadir/esolang_wiki/text.ibd is 696 MiB, apparently.
15:36:14 <fizzie> Oh, by "gone" you meant the whole thing is gone.
15:36:26 <fizzie> I see there's been an alert as well.
15:36:30 <fizzie> Probably it's just being CaC.
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15:37:35 <int-e> fizzie: I meant that HackEgo is not on this channel ... I really didn't check further than that.
15:38:46 <int-e> I have not been on their homepage a while... at least they're having a sale ;-)
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15:39:08 <int-e> (I've never seen that page without a "sale" going on.)
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19:05:35 <esowiki> [[Text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54587&oldid=40054 * Hq9++fan * (-15) /* Quine */ golf
19:10:44 <esowiki> [[User talk:ZM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54588&oldid=54586 * ZM * (-1046043) Why don't we all just stop this already
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19:44:54 <quintopia> zzo38: do you have a description of it anywhere? where will you publish it?
19:51:11 <esowiki> [[Mishmash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54590&oldid=54548 * Plokmijnuhby * (+178)
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19:59:28 <zzo38> Description of Free Hero Mesh, do you mean? I have a Fossil repository: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/heromesh.ui/ (I am still working on it.)
20:00:26 <zzo38> (If you have any suggestions, comments, complaints, questions, etc, you can ask!)
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