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00:08:33 <oerjan> i think i had to revert Hq9++fan's superscript edit at Wikipedia too, at least there I could link an explicit policy against it - and Martin Ender reverted one on PPCG. I assume it was him, although the nicks were different.
00:09:06 <oerjan> (hm i guess i never reverted them on esolang.)
00:09:16 <int-e> I'm still not over the "fake" attribute.
00:09:33 <oerjan> i haven't read all the mess on esolangs yet.
00:10:31 <boily> who is this mysterious Hq9++fan.
00:11:30 <int-e> Somebody who prefers Unicode to proper HTML markup, at least in the case of super- and subscripts. Also someone who appears to be prone to temper tantrums. :-P
00:13:58 <oerjan> also e doesn't understand unicode dashes.
00:14:38 <oerjan> (including me.) but e persists even after being explained.
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00:20:48 <ais523> oerjan: "This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference."
00:20:56 <ais523> so it's maybe not the best of arguments
00:21:01 <ais523> although I agree with the content of the page as written
00:22:26 <esowiki> [[Esoteric programming language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54650&oldid=54615 * Oerjan * (-20) I disagree, because it makes it hard to see when a link should be to the wiki's own page, but isn't, which is exactly what happens here.
00:24:34 <ais523> oerjan: I seriously considered sending it to the local page rather than interwiki page
00:24:46 <ais523> maybe I should have done so
00:24:46 <esowiki> [[Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54651&oldid=46774 * Oerjan * (+67) /* External resources */ Add Wikipedia link here instead
00:26:38 <oerjan> ais523: hm if it's inactive then it's a bad idea to have WP:shortcuts going straight into the middle of it... i just completed the obvious link name, and didn't _look_ at the page outside the section.
00:27:10 <ais523> it feels like every page in Wikipedia: namespace has a shortcut
00:27:23 <ais523> reading the talk page, it seems like the particular page is inactive because it's not linked from / considered part of the main MOS
00:27:34 <ais523> and thus people are worried it'll get out of sync with common practice
00:28:34 <oerjan> hm actually i don't think i completed that directly, i _did_ find it from somewhere else.
00:28:52 <zzo38> I made a list of how common each word is in the story I was recording in my GURPS game so far, by the use of the command: (seq 1 11 | xargs -i fossil wiki export 'Session {}') | sed -r 's/<sup>[0-9]+<\/sup>|<br>//g;/^<hr>|^\||^\[|^\]/d' | egrep -ow '[-A-Za-z'"'"']+' | tr a-z A-Z | sort | uniq -c The most common word is "the", appearing 666 out of 10050 times.
00:29:00 <oerjan> i think i went via WP:NUMBERS or something.
00:29:11 <zzo38> How are you analyzing a story by the word statistics and how it is being compared to others?
00:31:30 <zzo38> Unicode superscripts/subscripts can be used when you are including examples of a Jelly code in a wiki article, but should not be used for exponents, footnotes, and all of that other stuff.
00:34:23 <oerjan> oh. i got to it from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Mathematics#Superscripts_and_subscripts. so it _is_ linked but i somehow glossed over the warning at the other end.
00:34:44 <ais523> it wouldn't be the first time that Wikipedia guidelines were internally contradictory :-D
00:35:49 <oerjan> that section also mentions the policy, although only for squares.
00:36:07 <zzo38> That is why they need a rule to "ignore all rules".
00:38:44 <int-e> hmm do you think mentioning http://www.hugi.scene.org/compo/compoold.htm#compo6 on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Golf would be appropriate?
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00:52:45 <int-e> hmm, tricky. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_implementations has smaller implementations (than 240 bytes) for several platforms. (and already lists the competition as well)
01:08:40 <zzo38> Then you should mention such thing
01:14:18 <oerjan> <ais523> also, it's intended only for use in IPA (i.e. phonetic spelling) <-- ah, one of my favorite unusual sounds
01:15:27 <int-e> zzo38: but it's easier to just leave the page as it is... the 240 byte compiler is special in that it was produced by Urban Müller as part of designing the language.
01:15:36 <oerjan> cʟearʟy a great improvement on the usuaʟ l
01:16:20 <lambdabot> http://sfh01.sapdevcenter.com/nntp-archive/action/article/%3C47620687@forums-1-dub%3E
01:16:20 <lambdabot> Title: SAP Sybase Forums - ASE - Administration - PDF Re: Newbie - Segments Question...
01:16:42 <oerjan> that may not be the hit i wanted
01:16:48 <lambdabot> https://wikileaks.org/syria-files/docs/624165_www-asca-sy-com-.html
01:17:01 <oerjan> hm i suspect the character doesn't get through properly
01:17:09 <lambdabot> https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=4961
01:17:19 <int-e> huh, that worked for me :)
01:17:25 <oerjan> @google ʟ site:wikipedia.org
01:17:50 <ais523> oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ʟ
01:17:59 <int-e> actually ... I don't know whether the encoding is handled correctly in there
01:18:03 <ais523> don't bother with search engines, just type the URL you want
01:18:03 <oerjan> i suspect character encoding problems before it gets to google
01:18:11 <ais523> Wikipedia aims to have a redirect from every Unicode character to the appropriate article
01:18:30 <lambdabot> https://yomowo.com/blogs/tomsblog/21939496
01:20:27 <oerjan> ok the ü is surely wrong, not sure about the ä
01:21:03 <int-e> GET /search?hl=en&q=%C3%83%C2%BCml%C3%83%C2%A4ute HTTP/1.1
01:21:09 <int-e> that looks doubly encoded
01:22:31 <oerjan> . o O ( is there a URL quine )
01:23:07 <oerjan> i suspect the encoding is decreasing in size
01:23:07 <int-e> I think you have some defining to do.
01:23:39 <int-e> there are plenty of trivial quines in there... just avoid all the characters that need to be encoded.
01:23:57 <oerjan> well, just apply PPCG rules
01:24:12 <oerjan> some character must encode something other than itself
01:24:15 <int-e> that would require me to know them
01:24:33 <oerjan> (and also itself, iirc.)
01:24:49 <oerjan> also it mustn't read its own code, which i don't think is a problem here.
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01:25:43 <int-e> anyway, I'll try to remember... I want to try getting lambdabot to work with ghc-8.4.1 anyway
01:26:05 <oerjan> have they got <> into Prelude yet?
01:26:22 <int-e> and Semigroup is a superclass of Monoid
01:26:29 <int-e> both are annoying :P
01:27:05 <ais523> oerjan: I don't believe a URL can encode something of the same length as itself, other than itself
01:27:15 <ais523> it's a strictly size-expanding encoding, isn't it?
01:27:21 <oerjan> (i didn't not expect that.)
01:27:23 <int-e> but the real trouble will be with hint and the ghc API. (I have a hacked version that compiles but fails to actually evaluate)
01:28:51 <ais523> hmm, that sizecoding competition is bizarre, it insists on CRLF newline conversion
01:29:21 <int-e> Well it did target DOS.
01:30:23 <int-e> But existing brainfuck programs would rely on ++++++++++. to skip to the start of the next line... hence the requirement.
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01:31:28 <int-e> 16 bit and -1 for EOF may be more debatable choices.
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01:36:44 <ais523> 16 bit is generally a good choice for esolang tapes in .COM files
01:39:33 <int-e> But 8 bits would perhaps have been easier.
01:40:27 <int-e> Though as far as I can see at a glance, it would save just 2, maybe 3 bytes.
01:41:00 <int-e> The CR/LF handling is closer to 13 bytes.
01:42:27 <int-e> (and kind of broken in my entry... printing 13 will print CR/LF and change the cell to 10. I suspect the rules allowed that :-P)
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01:49:58 <zzo38> If you define its own segment for the tape then it can use the entire area, otherwise the same segment will be used also for the interpreter and the program
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01:53:30 <int-e> zzo38: it's all going into a single segment... the competition rules limited the program size to 10k characters, and the tape to 10k 16 bit cells.
01:54:20 <zzo38> Yes, then it can fit
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02:29:39 <zzo38> A 10k brainfuck program with 10k 16-bit cells could easily be converted to TAVERN; much larger programs might use the ROM extension to store the program and then interpret it, but that may be very slow especially if it needs to bankswitch. A more sophisticated compiler might try to look for strings and compile those separately, in which case you might not need the extra ROM extension.
02:30:26 <zzo38> (Compiling brainfuck to Glulx should also be not too difficult, I suppose)
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04:12:35 <singingbanana> I'm going to say: Happy Easter(In UK) and Happy April Fools Day/ International Joke Languages/Esolang creation day.
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06:15:48 <wob_jonas> , where do I put an idea for a joke presentation of a serious language? Does that go into "Partially Silly Ideas"?
06:20:05 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54652&oldid=54093 * B jonas * (+507) /* Joke/Silly Ideas */
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15:50:51 <esowiki> [[Turing number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54654&oldid=54649 * Enoua5 * (+3) Typo fix
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18:01:43 <esowiki> [[Alfie]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54655 * Singingbanana * (+63) Created page with "Alfie is a esolang based on presumptions. It is in development."
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18:14:58 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54656&oldid=54518 * 1024x2 * (+155)
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21:54:32 <orby> Hello all. Is anyone aware of a language in the wiki that is based on Wang tiles? I was thinking of writing up an idea I had but if there are any that already exist I don't want to create something that is redundant.
21:56:05 <zzo38> I don't know of one (although you try try the search function).
21:56:15 <zzo38> I want to see what you can make up, if you can
21:57:02 <ais523> orby: But Is It Art? is similar but not the same
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21:58:35 <orby> zzo38: Yeah, I searched and didn't come up with any hits. "Domino" sounds like it could be related, but the page is unclear.
21:58:45 <orby> ais523: Thanks, I'll take a look.
22:00:12 <orby> I came up with a way to simulate rule 110 with wang tiles last night and thought a system which contained it would allow for a nice proof of tc
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22:04:58 <zzo38> Do they have composition tournaments for Magic: the Puzzling like they do have for chess?
22:06:42 <rain1> wang tiles are already turing complete though?
22:07:04 <zzo38> Yes, they are, but I suppose, it is another way to do it now
22:08:12 <orby> Yeah, wang tiles have been known to be turing complete for some time. I think wang himself established that in the 60's.
22:08:16 <ais523> are Wang tiles TC even if they all have the same dimensions?
22:08:42 <orby> what do you mean by having the same dimensions?
22:09:15 <ais523> like, they're all 20×10 rectangles, for example
22:09:37 <orby> my understanding is that usually they're all squares
22:09:43 <orby> of the same size
22:09:46 <rain1> they have to be carefully chosen
22:09:51 <zzo38> Aren't Wang tiles normally all square same size?
22:10:00 <zzo38> Only each edge has a colour and the touching edges are required to match.
22:10:06 <rain1> but anyway, my point was - it's already an esolang
22:10:17 <rain1> unless you're thinking of adding IO to it or something
22:10:29 <orby> rain1: what is it called?
22:10:39 <zzo38> Adding a article into esolang wiki would help though anyways
22:10:45 <orby> I didn't see it in the wiki
22:11:57 <orby> I mean, I get your point that the concept of a wang tile has an interpretation that's tc, but I thought it would be neat to create a language that was more constrained than just general wang tiles that still retained tc
22:12:25 <rain1> how would you add IO to wang tiles
22:12:32 <orby> also an interesting question
22:12:38 <ais523> the same way as in BIIA?, perhaps?
22:13:13 <ais523> https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art?
22:13:32 <ais523> https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_ArtF
22:13:38 <ais523> https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%F
22:13:43 <ais523> https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%%F
22:13:57 <ais523> apparently % then 3 is not a character combination I can send via this IRC client
22:14:44 <ais523> because % is an escape character for the client
22:15:03 <ais523> and typing a string of % signs followed by 3 seems to discard the 3 regardless of how many % signs there are
22:15:19 <zzo38> Use a different client or change the setting or modify the client?
22:17:16 <orby> my initial thought was to have a tape where each cell is occupied by a wang tile with the usual east west color constraint. each successive cell would be constrained on the south - north colors of the current and next step, respectively. the way turing machines are typically simulated with wang tiles.
22:18:03 <orby> instead of writing a full on 2d tiler, the interpreter would just run a line at a time and the programmer would be responsible for preventing nondeterminism
22:18:44 <orby> pointless or interesting?
22:19:04 <zzo38> I don't know; make it up and see
22:19:22 <orby> that's always my inclination, but I'm open to criticism :)
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22:54:09 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Orby * uploaded "[[File:Tile 230.png]]"
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23:14:30 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Orby * uploaded "[[File:Rule 110 tiles.png]]"
23:17:45 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Orby * uploaded "[[File:Rule 110 simulation.png]]"
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23:31:00 <wob_jonas> ais523: no percent signs: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?curid=11226
23:31:32 <ais523> yes, that works, but it's not very memorable
23:31:51 <wob_jonas> yes, ideally you should fix your environment so you can enter any url
23:32:07 <wob_jonas> because some other webpages might not have such alternatives
23:32:16 <ais523> well I can in my browser
23:34:37 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * CrazyM4n * moved [[User:CrazyM4n]] to [[User:Aearnus]]: Change of name
23:35:37 <ais523> that doesn't actually work
23:35:41 <ais523> I'm not quite sure how to handle the attempt
23:37:10 <wob_jonas> he tried to rename himself, but only renamed his userpage?
23:37:24 <esowiki> [[User talk:CrazyM4n]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54662 * Ais523 * (+412) about the attempted name change
23:37:41 <wob_jonas> let me check https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=renameuser
23:38:34 <wob_jonas> oh this is so easy! I don't have to check a union of the user foo and global user foo logs to find user foo events. convenience of a small wiki.
23:39:55 <wob_jonas> on the Mediawiki wikis, some old history of user privilages seems to be impossible to query now
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23:40:35 <wob_jonas> I don't quite recall the details, but I wanted to check if someone was part of a privilaged usergroup many years ago, and even together with multiple logs I couldn't do it
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23:41:33 <wob_jonas> I think it was the group for otrs volunteers
23:41:46 <Aearnus> hey ais523! it's been a long time since I've been here haha
23:42:06 <Aearnus> I saw the message and I figured it'd just be easier to pop into the IRC
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23:42:47 <ais523> I figured out the where the user renaming tool is, but am not sure what our requirements are for using it
23:42:58 <Aearnus> it's cool, i don't have anything I need to keep
23:43:01 <ais523> the thing's quite slow and heavy-weight so we can't use it all that often, not that we get many requests
23:43:13 <Aearnus> do I need to delete the User: page before I delete the account?
23:43:21 <wob_jonas> Aearnus: so you just create a new user?
23:43:24 <ais523> you can't delete accounts
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23:43:38 <fungot`> arhellais: denote final continuation." hehe. :d :p
23:43:39 -!- ais523 has kicked arhellais I don't have a better default kick reason, but if you're being kicked, you should know why.
23:43:47 <esowiki> [[Hao]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54663 * Orby * (+2219) Submitting initial Hao page
23:43:55 <ais523> same spambot was doing that on QuakeNET
23:43:58 <ais523> (or another spambot copying it)
23:44:01 <moony> ##llamas is my favorite channel :C
23:44:09 <moony> it was a good chat channel
23:44:12 <wob_jonas> Aearnus: no, I'd say keep it as a redirect to the new userpage
23:44:17 <ais523> moony: it's getting DOSed, I believe
23:44:22 <ais523> by spambots trying to get people to join
23:44:23 <wob_jonas> so that people can know who the old username refers to
23:44:25 <orby> Is anything particularly unclear about what I just wrote up?
23:44:26 <ais523> as a reminder, don't click on spambot links
23:44:52 <oerjan> someone requested a reset of my password from sv.wikipedia.org :P
23:45:37 <Sgeo> I don't think spambots can actually know why they're kicked, or much of anything.
23:45:50 <wob_jonas> oerjan: so? ignore that. it's an unprivilaged operation to request a password reset.
23:46:02 <wob_jonas> it happens all the time to people everywhere on sites that offer password resets
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23:46:20 <wob_jonas> unless it doses you out of real password resets or logins, ignore it
23:46:23 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Aearnus * New user account
23:47:22 <ais523> (come to think of it, most people can't delete user pages either, but we at least delete those on request; accounts can't be deleted at all because the server needs to track their edits and the like)
23:47:31 <ais523> we can vanish accounts if necessary to anonymise all their contributions
23:48:14 <Aearnus> I decided to log back on today bc I've been working on this https://github.com/aearnus/charm
23:48:38 <oerjan> wob_jonas: it hasn't happened to me before.
23:49:55 <oerjan> unrelatedly, i got this great idea for a new unicode character: INVISIBLE SARCASM TAG
23:50:02 <zzo38> On Wikipedia you can avoid to enter your email address, that way a password reset cannot be requested
23:50:48 <ais523> wouldn't it be more useful if it were visible?
23:50:49 <oerjan> sadly, font designers would probably sabotage it by making it visible.
23:51:09 <oerjan> ais523: no, the point is to prove you were sarcastic without ruining the style.
23:51:32 <oerjan> you can have a visible one too if you like, i guess.
23:51:40 <ais523> I guess you could use ⦞
23:51:42 <Aearnus> the canonical implementation would probably end up being the crying while laughing face :/
23:51:47 <ais523> but it's not very visible at small sizes
23:52:11 <lambdabot> http://www.i18nqa.com/debug/utf8-debug.html
23:52:15 <moony> Gregor, what'd you do to hackego. pls reviv
23:52:34 <oerjan> moony: actually Gregor is the best at this point
23:52:51 <wob_jonas> oerjan: http://unicode.scarfboy.com/?s=%E2%A6%9E
23:52:52 <moony> where's fizzie btw
23:52:54 <oerjan> i'm sure fizzie has already done everything he can, since it's been gone for a while.
23:52:56 <moony> haven't seen them in a while
23:53:19 <wob_jonas> oerjan: yes, he reported back about HackEgo
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23:54:45 <oerjan> moony: fizzie can do anything _on_ the server, but cannot actually control the isp's web(?) interface for fixing things.
23:55:00 <oerjan> only Gregor has access to that.
23:55:02 <int-e> CaC is just proving that things can always get worse.
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23:56:40 <ais523> the name is "ANGLE WITH S INSIDE", fwiw
23:56:43 <fizzie> Yes, I haven't even seen the CaC web control panel, I'm just assuming they have one.
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23:57:20 <wob_jonas> I assume it doesn't have a magical "fix the server" button for these cases though