< 1525564988 194266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I implemented the preprocessor for Free Hero Mesh. The following built-in macros are implemented: {+} {-} {*} {/} {mod} {band} {bor} {bxor} {bnot} {cat} {version} {define} {include} {call} < 1525565012 234287 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1525565346 675933 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525565413 396082 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525565637 401942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1525565640 3951 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:steprans//A Steprans variable is a variable whose notation is variable. \ oya yakuman//We don't know what an oya yakuman is, but based on boily's reaction, it must be quite painful. \ dentist//Dentists are professional workers whose main line of work is creating dents on various surfaces. \ cigar//A cigar is either a penis or just a cigar, dependent on Freud's current mood. \ tsh//tsh sounds horrendous < 1525565645 853611 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :`o.O < 1525565646 568948 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: o.O: not found < 1525565764 886858 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to corrupt new coworkers to the Wonderful World of Tile Shuffling. < 1525565898 648805 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me too < 1525566068 775718 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alebonsoircah. < 1525566233 741114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's with the number 14 twh < 1525566236 536725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes up everywhere < 1525567236 734736 :optimus[m]!optimusmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-chuifsfdmrzbdxhc QUIT :Quit: removing from IRC because user idle on matrix for 30+ days < 1525567319 108257 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1525567345 156093 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1525568189 96115 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1525568219 270051 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1525568773 955225 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1525568776 680200 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:ic//ic what you did there. \ block device//Block devices are a concession made in Unix to make raw hard disks and magnetic tape have a similar interface to regular files and terminals. Since magnetic tapes can't write individual bytes, only entire blocks, the interface isn't exactly the same, thus the dreaded dd obs= option was born. \ rhubarb//Rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb, rhubarb: rhubarb rhubarb? Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb rhubarb. \ ievan//ievan < 1525568778 98896 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525568778 972138 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI \ pun//Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. < 1525568808 131470 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puns are groaning. < 1525568827 828725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tile shuffling? < 1525569011 810099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tile shuffling? < 1525569027 488868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART :#esoteric < 1525569027 608427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1525569050 158587 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' < 1525569050 816272 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :446) sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour < 1525569235 302679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll never know < 1525569276 892036 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. tile shuffling is mahjong. mahjong is good for you! < 1525569377 449561 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril? < 1525569377 665556 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: when a rule change is canceled. if, at < 1525569389 288179 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: then, what do you think about tile shuffling? < 1525569389 400147 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i) the date on < 1525569393 962052 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: September. < 1525569394 64899 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if a vote is. an activity level of support must call for judgement made on a thursday or earlier in the < 1525569448 478466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it requires too many players < 1525569454 247771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway thanks < 1525569469 363220 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1525569540 880606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: How many players should a game require? < 1525569563 480963 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525569579 468944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me to play it? One, perhaps two. < 1525569673 689859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming boily's talking about the 4 player game rather than the solitaire that happens to use Mahjong pieces. < 1525569696 751719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about bridge? < 1525569733 225191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing some of this 2-player game recently: http://www.spyparty.com/ < 1525569824 889431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many players the game require depends on the game. < 1525569860 123242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mahjong is played with four players (although there are variants for two or three players, too) < 1525569871 175389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-player games are the most fun, but no one has ever managed to play them. < 1525569984 28238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering normally needs two or more players, but, if you delete rule 104.2a then you can play the variant I call "Standard Solitaire". (You will probably need a strange kind of deck to make it a reasonable game, I suppose) < 1525570008 562366 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf. are people never or always playing zero player games? < 1525570028 710154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: noone is playing them all the time < 1525570045 85420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero player game already is; you don't play it because then you are playing one (or more) player < 1525570055 865964 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is feeling zen tonight < 1525570059 267148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a negative buddy, sometimes you can play a zero-player game together. < 1525570095 649543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the universe is a zero player game < 1525570123 340485 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cell phone might be a negative player, because when you add one to a game the game gets one less player < 1525570145 720763 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, the universe is an all-player game. everyone in the universe is playing it. < 1525570160 989643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: they are mistaken, they're merely game tokens < 1525570204 900665 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=924 < 1525570330 843194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ironic, everybody wants to be a player, but is getting played instead. < 1525570377 232587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is correct or not. But, I also suppose universe may be considered as a zero player game, but, of course I don't know. Even if there is a player, it does not indicate who it is. < 1525570635 206598 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HAIRY CHICKEN < 1525576923 841764 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1525579065 126963 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1525581875 970451 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god qntm made a webcomic < 1525581878 54323 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must read it < 1525582214 405886 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525582273 383886 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1525584368 292582 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-118-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525584507 737154 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-118-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1525584513 367004 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-118-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1525588878 369626 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1525589100 650974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54987&oldid=54981 5* 03Impomatic 5* (+386) 10 > 1525589145 865989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54988&oldid=54987 5* 03Impomatic 5* (+13) 10/* Example */ < 1525589162 345746 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1525589222 474131 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-144-18-81.range86-144.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinkcode is broken :-( If the opponent contains an @ you can find it on the first instruction. < 1525589610 318559 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZoHuMwZwTk MAN EATS FOOD MADE IN 1899 < 1525590991 212516 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1525591509 765563 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1525591785 481126 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1525591892 276713 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525592337 368420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525592417 352050 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1525592978 736482 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525593214 646402 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525598678 536293 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dpdlojvsflbtysxx JOIN :#esoteric < 1525599899 582785 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1525599927 157203 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1525600463 644309 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1525600593 786835 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525600713 207315 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1525600802 909323 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525601635 446305 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1525602176 923538 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: yes, I love that one because of nostalgy, it was basically the webcomic that introduced me to webcomics. it was already complete when I read it (although I have read older webcomics since) < 1525603734 648330 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can do three quines in perl with some useful characters left (I think I can have dollar sign, round parenthesis, letter a, and probably even some quoting method), but I don't think I can do four. < 1525603743 775594 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is still re https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/163607/write-a-quine-suite < 1525603745 383396 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try < 1525604603 602387 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1525605148 433879 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525605216 448823 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1525606377 594933 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1525606420 695982 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525606422 730210 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 QUIT :Client Quit < 1525607039 594251 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1525607078 678211 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1525609745 706477 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1525611632 428474 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525612519 406621 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525612564 918928 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and today I open OpenMPT and see that its custom tuning system seems not working with VSTs> I’ve been told there’s no standardized way to apply microtunigs to VSTs. Damn you MIDI! < 1525612581 184458 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p=["foo","bar"]; isn't even longer than @p=("foo","bar"); so I might not even be losing length by omitting parenthesis < 1525613162 231803 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1525613232 479294 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:74bc:18b0:95d3:18f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525613315 88481 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that would let me squeeze in a fourth quine, one using $j="print"; $~->$j($m); except the print is generated with some string bitwise or whatever trick < 1525614769 207720 :wob_jonas!b03f18ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.237 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1525614884 565721 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1525615177 638259 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CF17.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1525615391 445191 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1525616620 167190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Alan-Liang 5* 10New user account < 1525617683 569422 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:74bc:18b0:95d3:18f8 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1525618712 738518 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1525618766 201671 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1525618770 165857 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :sopaxorztaker < 1525618776 193413 :sopaxorztaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1525619828 710316 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1525619854 380383 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1525620550 82242 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1525620577 760622 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1525620631 233542 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525620812 211693 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dpdlojvsflbtysxx QUIT : < 1525620833 899477 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kyjhurwjoarwnvcf JOIN :#esoteric < 1525621193 220060 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CF17.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1525622259 956784 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT : < 1525622287 546259 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1525622708 66838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: It might not be possible with VST, but Csound can certainly do it, at least. (Csound can load VSTs, but if VST doesn't support microtuning, then you will have to avoid VST.) < 1525622858 208647 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT : < 1525622886 214110 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1525622946 570173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Csound can also act as a VST, if you need it to.) < 1525623512 302652 :user24!~void@p200300886977850057E6C8C891660AB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1525623777 685957 :saiya!~sahya@user-0c8ghej.cable.mindspring.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1525624055 760957 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grnvctihelhuhrzx QUIT : < 1525624073 542685 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sodzymjnqycmpstk JOIN :#esoteric < 1525624721 788380 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1525625005 31009 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525625291 41998 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1525625392 910065 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1525625437 281749 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1525625443 305172 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1525625711 137920 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1525625941 787969 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525627242 303873 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: TY < 1525627538 889182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can just implement the tuning directly with Csound; even if it is as VST, it doesn't need to know the tuning of the host system then < 1525627976 577280 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the problem is, today tunings aren’t first-class and are local to a processing unit < 1525628062 888893 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I found a couple tunable VSTis by now: http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/List+of+Microtonal+Software+Plugins < 1525628162 294113 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525628170 717542 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also it seems Xenharmonic wiki is supposed to move in near future (July) < 1525628191 641103 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :move or be off with( < 1525628258 813663 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525628798 677049 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc9e:303:ca7b:35d1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1525629001 982679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Voltage2007 5* 10New user account > 1525629180 352623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54989&oldid=54986 5* 03Voltage2007 5* (+266) 10/* Introductions */ > 1525629313 173757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Small14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54990&oldid=53124 5* 03Voltage2007 5* (+0) 10It has 2 commands, not 3. Looked at history and noticed the 3rd command was deprecated. < 1525629851 787770 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1525629887 650230 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525630238 432476 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525630288 664885 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1525630348 303675 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc9e:303:ca7b:35d1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1525630554 39344 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525630801 410278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I suppose that, since Csound can act as a VST host and as a VST plugin, you might be able to use Csound to translate the signals for the VST. < 1525631141 27934 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1525631535 979135 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1525631861 50512 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sodzymjnqycmpstk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1525631865 812388 :user24!~void@p200300886977850057E6C8C891660AB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1525632149 680989 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1525632227 410429 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525632231 405487 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525632669 7593 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe I could, but then I first should think them up, as a typical host doesn’t have a human-manageable way for dealing with tonalities. E. g. OpenMPT doesn’t send anything special when an instrument uses a custom mapping. I also opened LMMS and Tracktion 6 several times but don’t know if they could use e. g. nonstandard piano roll when viewing (and inputting in) a MIDI track. I couldn’t operate with bare numbers :D < 1525632838 161367 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas said: "perhaps you want an empty struct (or empty tuple) which has one possible value, or an empty enum (empty distingiushed union) which has no possible values." < 1525632841 21777 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, exactly. < 1525632849 774149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way in OpenMPT to use MIDI macros to send that information? I don't know. Even if not, you could just define custom note names and then just send the raw note numbers with a Csound code can convert. < 1525632863 706264 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating a language, and evidently when I was working on it several months ago, I had decided that I wanted it to have types, and that it should be possible for a type to be empty. < 1525632915 174204 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't remember what I was thinking about what an empty type should actually be. < 1525632917 825447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know much about VST, as I do not use it.) < 1525633335 628522 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: generally, OpenMPT can send both midi macros and VST parameter changes. But I dunno if it could be comfortable and if there is a plugin which inputs these in place of regular note events < 1525633454 104447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I suggested using Csound to translate them < 1525633474 92984 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you may cosider that a singleton type can have an empty runtime representation (a variable of that type need not exist, and a field of that type could take up no memory in a struct). Values of an empty type at runtime, though, signal an error < 1525633479 366222 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1525633525 465540 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah. Strictly speaking, I’m not at all familiar with Csound yet. I know it’s powerful, and that’s all I know for now :D < 1525633782 300657 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know much about VST, as I do not use it.)> you can think of it as an outdated technology which is used in great numbers because it hadn’t yet been superseded completely. There are many great things (plugins and DAWs) which use VST but it’s their own merit, not VST’s < 1525633787 283034 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9c3a:8f47:4730:8c2e JOIN :#esoteric < 1525633794 959359 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe I’m biased a bit < 1525634238 955841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also LADSPA (which Csound also supports), and LV2, and others, although I didn't need any of those things. < 1525634619 572458 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9c3a:8f47:4730:8c2e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1525635164 479983 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1525635414 437433 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525635478 727354 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, AAX, AU for Mac etc.. I’m more or less familiar with VST only, though < 1525635709 921790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525635712 402245 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525635806 737281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… suppose I have three integers 0 ≤ a, b, c ≤ k (for constant and fairly small k); is there a commutative function . such that we can always find 0 ≤ x, y, z ≤ k such that x.y = a, y.z = b, z.x = c? < 1525635815 168081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the definition of . is allowed to depend on k) < 1525635826 641725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is yes if k is prime, we can just use addition < 1525635834 166075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, that doesn't generalise to cycles of even length < 1525635849 752480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. w.x = a, x.y = b, y.z = c, z.w = d < 1525635879 300232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm interested if there's some operation that does (bear in mind it has to be commutative, otherwise you can just use the K combinator) < 1525635959 99862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can't do it for cycles of length 2, so maybe it's impossible for length 4 < 1525635965 401498 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1525636055 145086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/addition/addition mod k/ < 1525636095 790106 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could it be noncommutative but essentially dependent on each parameter? (x′ ≠ x => x.y ≠ x′.y & w.x ≠ w.x′) < 1525636159 172583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for what I'm thinking of, unless I'm missing something < 1525636265 937229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context is that I'm trying to reduce the space usage of (preconstructed, i.e. no write operations supported) cuckoo hashes, via spreading the value over multiple buckets and somehow recombining it at the end < 1525636296 299660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the recombination step that needs this property and I'm not sure if there's an appropriate function < 1525636335 379846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh: if a = b, then x = z (by the pigeonhole principle) < 1525636344 600877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, in the original example < 1525636350 94794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we have if a = b, then w = y < 1525636354 489274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that implies that c = d < 1525636367 889564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just asking for a [K]-valued symmetric matrix with a/b/c on the superdiagonal, right? < 1525636414 218261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what you mean < 1525636422 81242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is the matrix? < 1525636450 391608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :K by K < 1525636465 133347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean a commutative function that can be specified efficiently rather than just a lookup table. < 1525636474 32425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, a lookup table is OK < 1525636481 420197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is ensuring that you can always find x, y, z < 1525636525 220869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are plenty of functions that work for odd cycles, it seems (probably /any/ Abelian group operation works) < 1525636530 494608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just proved that no function works for even cycles < 1525636558 239327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I did misread what makes this interesting, never mind. < 1525636600 330546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, more interesting still is the three-argument case (where we're spreading each value over three buckets) but it's a little unclear how to even formulate the problem there < 1525636668 627889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hmm, addition mod a non-prime does /not/ work, so it's not just arbitrary group operations that you need, there's some other condition too < 1525636733 67248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, can't you still just define f(0,1) = f(1,0) = a, f(1,2) = f(2,1) = b, f(2,0) = f(0,2) = c? < 1525636747 989191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, f isn't allowed to depend on a, b, c < 1525636749 229991 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ae29:3aff:fee8:b414 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525636767 220741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's easy, yes < 1525636778 222749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK. It just depends on k. < 1525636796 111333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1525636797 212503 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ae29:3aff:fee8:b414 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1525636884 428606 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525636928 307590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the condition that's needed here isn't full commutativity, but rather that it has to work both for x.y = a and y.x = a (but not necessarily with the same x, y in both cases) < 1525637093 995967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps something like x.y = 2x+y (mod a prime) < 1525637129 770178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so for values <= k, you have (k^2 + k)/2 degrees of freedom. < 1525637145 514621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wht do you mean by not necessarily the same x, y? < 1525637178 800197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the solution for x.y = a, y.z = b, z.x = c might be different from the solution for y.x = a, y.z = b, z.x = c (i.e. same inputs but different argument order) < 1525638189 152376 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your question was very confusing because you started out asking for the specific case where a,b,c are three, but k varies, in such a way that it looked to me like you were interested in when k is even. but then you changed it to adding more variables. could you please formulate what you really want? < 1525638226 672001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what I really want is as general as possible, but making things work for arbitrary k is less important than making it work for arbitrary cycle sizes < 1525638247 495776 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking you to make a clear statement of the problem. < 1525638252 863952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty tired and haven't really got my head around the problem < 1525638319 706792 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1525638475 844053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "general" problem which this was reduced from was: find an operator such that given a large number of randomly generated equations consisting of variables and that operator on the left, and constants on the right, the resulting set of equations has the maximum possible chance of being solvable < 1525638509 827407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this is impossible if the set of expressions contains, say, a.b = 4 and a.b = 5, so it can't be done in general < 1525638522 428716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there's no way to make a 100% chance of solvability < 1525638525 739099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd like to get it as high as possible < 1525638578 767849 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufqtoovthumzppgu JOIN :#esoteric < 1525638586 873087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm initially looking at the most basic case (where the LHS is just a single use of the operator), and looking at it as a graph; the operator uses are like edges which connect the variables, which are vertices < 1525638630 702965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a subgraph has more edges than vertices then it's clearly impossible barring very good luck (at most a 1/k chance that it works) < 1525638642 273947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if every subgraph has fewer edges than vertices it's trivial < 1525638670 255865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only remaining case is where there are subgraphs where the number of edges and vertices are equal, but no subgraphs with more edges than vertices < 1525638674 521219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies that the subgraph is a cycle < 1525638703 191670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't imply any particular orientation of the edges < 1525638902 472475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, looks like there's an easy counterexample for a 4-cycle even in the asymmetric case: w.x=1, y.x=1, y.z=2, z.w=3 < 1525638924 670397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point being that w.x=1 and y.x=1 together imply that w=y because by the pigeonhole principle, this operation will have to have a left and a right inverse > 1525638925 551869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 038sync 5* 10New user account < 1525638927 634195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* w.z = 3 < 1525639369 317588 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525639467 557017 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that < 1525639478 772029 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not possible for a four-cycle because of what you said < 1525639484 396041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1525639499 233850 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what condition are you ready to relax? < 1525639519 608360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ideal is to move the operation up to three arguments < 1525639532 884617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the simplifying assumption doesn't really work < 1525639546 703983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just have these randomly generated equations and want an operation that maximises the chance they're solvable < 1525640680 788427 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think your argument that it doesn't work for 4 is quite there, precisely because you can _not_ correct to * w.z = 3, the order is freely chosen. < 1525640782 137379 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* _cannot_ < 1525640839 592788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, these are randomly generated equations, so they might have been generated as w.z = 3 < 1525640848 580784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the other way round < 1525640865 697198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, being able to work with most sequences of directions is better than not being able to work with any of them < 1525641164 171753 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even a three-arg completely symmetric function can't work for a four-cycle. < 1525641215 994257 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose f is three-arg completely symmetric from the same fixed domain, and for input (a,b,c,d) you want to always have (x,y,z,w) st a=f(x,y,z), b=f(y,z,w), c=f(z,w,x), d=f(w,x,y). < 1525641218 669821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in general, but the odds that all three arguments are involved in the same cycle becomes way lower < 1525641456 222238 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait < 1525641747 769108 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1525641892 306022 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's actually possible with some sizes of domains, by simply taking f={(x,y,z)|>x+y+z mod k}, such as when k isn't divisible by 3 or something. < 1525641909 132884 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there you get in trouble with 6-cycles or something? I dunno. < 1525641984 110883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, I see; a=b implies x=w but that doesn't particularly seem to imply anything about the relationship between c and d < 1525642023 252164 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's implied is actually that if you permute (w,x,y,z) in any way, (a,b,c,d) is permuted in the exact same way < 1525642057 694405 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a special case, if any two in (w,x,y,z) are equal, then the corresponding two among (a,b,c,d) are equal < 1525642060 180299 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course {(x,y,z,w)|>(a,b,c,d)} is still bijective < 1525642416 761430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, f(x,y,z)=x+y+z works for a 4-cycle in the 3-input case (and in general addition works for an (n+1)-cycle in an n-input case) < 1525642685 654336 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but you run into a problem if you have a 6-cycle and you want the output to depend on three adjacent ones among the six inputs in a symmetric way < 1525642708 90109 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 9-cycle too < 1525642736 69357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, I see < 1525642736 415191 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1525642985 477765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellais523 < 1525643079 885733 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you allowed to use a three-arg operation, but take the first, second and fourth of each four adjacent input variables as input to it in some cyclic order of the input variables? or would that not help in whatever your original problem was? < 1525643131 510547 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think that might work for every cycle length with the right k < 1525643179 141601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the original problem is pretty much "we have a random set of equations of a given complexity, the form/syntax is fixed but the meaning isn't, try to define the meaning to make it as solvable as possible"; if they aren't solvable we have to generate a new set of equations < 1525643207 115394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is part of a compression routine, and we have to count the number of rerolls, so each newly generated set is going to cost a small amount of space < 1525643269 174834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an idea for a compressor that I had this morning and I'm trying to work out how theoretically viable it is < 1525643289 474261 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525643300 150557 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643310 232891 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643324 440587 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-000-049.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525643376 505598 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... I don't understand how that would make a good compressor, at least if you want to find arbitrary functions rather than nice ones < 1525643390 478709 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you have a nice function like addition or three-arg addition, then sure < 1525643394 134654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the function is hardcoded in the decompressor < 1525643403 135790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to know which one to hardcode < 1525643408 344001 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for one with a random lookup table, I don't understand < 1525643424 951790 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you can compute it and its inverse efficiently because of crypto magic < 1525643436 79312 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how it would help compress anything < 1525643466 365803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how a bloom filter works? < 1525643474 141977 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1525643481 464328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to compress hash tables using something like a cross between a bloom filter and a cuckoo hash < 1525643525 442037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see… the idea of a bloom filter is that you hash the input into a set of random numbers which are a subset of a larger set < 1525643534 509474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally a fixed number of them (say ten) < 1525643548 593921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you take the union of all the resulting sets for inputs that the filter needs to return true for < 1525643554 260983 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking bloom filter up now < 1525643555 432805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that scheme reminds me of fractal compression somehow < 1525643563 267385 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard of that, just not under this name < 1525643578 408093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most inputs that you don't want a true return value for, at least one of the resulting numbers won't be in the set (not guaranteed, just likely) < 1525643585 421338 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1525643585 454806 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1525643599 198113 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mentioned in the very last chapter of TAOCP vol 3 I think < 1525643599 755583 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643599 827312 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643599 917962 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-144-18-81.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643600 32876 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643600 96180 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643600 255047 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643600 428593 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643600 498358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643600 531843 :Yurume_______!23f9939a@121.78.85.35 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1525643647 694903 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643647 694997 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-144-18-81.range86-144.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643647 695013 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643647 728560 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643647 728637 :Yurume_______!23f9939a@121.78.85.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643654 48030 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643679 766155 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1525643687 791852 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1525643699 525997 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643703 434608 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643744 462756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525643902 874261 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525643945 921089 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-000-049.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1525644010 480116 :lifthrasiir_!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1525644024 436628 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525644024 470186 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525644024 561600 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525644031 820657 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 NICK :diginet < 1525644037 108581 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1525644041 240775 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525644044 482849 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1525644047 969040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know what game and category has the largest absolute difference in time between TAS and human WR? < 1525644055 83733 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-144-18-81.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 267 seconds < 1525644055 137276 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1525644720 113775 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1525644760 678765 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1525644771 745945 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how would you could games that nobody have completed in realtime? < 1525644778 283419 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where there's a TAS completion < 1525644832 462015 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/could/count/ < 1525645068 73495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not off by heart < 1525645100 141547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably going to be one of the longest TASes on tasvideos, though, or else a game with a credits warp or similar trick that can't be done in realtime < 1525645145 429641 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the longest tases? how would that help? < 1525645148 976348 :friendlyGoat!~Jonah@74-36-159-174.dr01.nwmd.wi.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525645183 325457 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a credits warp that hasn't yet been executed real time would work, but I don't know of a game like that < 1525645310 718054 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game like nethack that has no delays so a TAS can theoretically do everything arbitrarily fast might work, but there are very few such games < 1525645408 471760 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that a game with a large difference would have to be one where there is a lot of execution that even the best speedrunner can't learn to do somewhat consistently, and in that case the game would be too tedious to be enjoyable < 1525645423 712492 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody would actually realtime speedrun it < 1525645524 947433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‎<‎wob_jonas‎>‎ one of the longest tases? how would that help? ← if the TAS's speed gain is based on optimisation, then a longer TAS would imply a longer realtime speedrun, and by more < 1525645567 731895 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dunno, perhaps, but I think much of the length would be unavoidable waits < 1525645598 276723 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're right, I just think there must be some game with a quick credit warp that nobody can do in real time < 1525645601 56512 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's ironic that it's hard to do pointfree programming without the "." point character <-- not true, you can use fmap hth < 1525645603 803633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I was going to guess Final Fantasy 8, but the realtime WR is actually something like 40 minutes faster < 1525645632 296801 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 minutes faster? wth < 1525645646 751567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Final Fantasy 9, though, the TAS is over an hour faster < 1525645655 365552 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good start < 1525645740 826964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be language choice and/or platform choice, I guess < 1525645751 229477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with less text and a platform with faster loading will go a long way in cutscene-heavy games < 1525645774 305689 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but don't both realtime and TAS usually choose the fastest language? < 1525645784 34728 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when there's such a big difference < 1525645831 609500 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tasvideos.org/Movies-C3041Y.html this is the category of TASes with heavy skips. perhaps one of those is one with a very slow realtime record. < 1525645858 197180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :older TASes used to choose English even when Japanese was faster < 1525645875 340995 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but determining the realtime speedrun times is tricky because there's like three or four major sites collecting them < 1525645876 722475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays the rule is that language choice doesn't count against your time (when comparing runs, time lost/gained to language is ignored) < 1525645893 65587 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1525645894 23874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many people choose the fastest language because they think it's more fun to watch because you have to wait less, but many others choose their native language < 1525645921 336818 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people don't always choose the fastest language when the difference isn't too significant < 1525645931 411794 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what happens here < 1525645945 400785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it looks like it's FF9's steal mechanics that make the TAS so much faster < 1525645958 980621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get 1/256 probability steals easily in a TAS but they aren't worth going for in realtime < 1525646371 152842 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoggle (b -> c) -> (a1 -> a2 -> m b) -> a1 -> a2 -> m c < 1525646371 632751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function.Tools apply2way :: (a -> b -> c) -> (d -> a) -> (d -> b) -> d -> c < 1525646371 697203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function.Between.Lazy (^ < 1525646371 732117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function.Between.Strict (^ < 1525646420 448041 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1525646449 814623 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious formatting error < 1525646603 514765 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you say was the difference? http://tasvideos.org/3299M.html vs https://www.speedrun.com/scooby-doo_mystery_mayhem_gba#Any is again around one hour for [Tier: Vault]GBA Scooby-Doo! Mystery Mayhem < 1525646701 473182 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (^@~) < 1525646701 870351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function.Between.Lazy (^ < 1525646701 946384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function.Between.Strict (^ < 1525646702 27132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function.Between.Lazy (<^ < 1525646718 478767 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect something goes wrong with the @ character < 1525646740 987774 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other modules that have operators with @? < 1525646741 427860 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was wondering why some responses seemed to have truncated lines, but I didn't guess it was that character < 1525646750 63239 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked up the module < 1525646750 871604 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hooble <@> < 1525646751 148738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad (< < 1525646751 239887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad (< < 1525646751 311497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reactive.Banana.Combinators (< < 1525646754 7377 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle <@> < 1525646754 225472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad (< < 1525646754 260387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad (< < 1525646754 260432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reactive.Banana.Combinators (< < 1525646763 322054 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle .@. < 1525646763 531486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1525646771 397417 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle -,-'-@ < 1525646771 607231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown flag: -, < 1525646774 848393 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1525646789 218406 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle -- -,-'-@ < 1525646789 450857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown flag: -- -,-'-@ < 1525646810 195787 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (-,-'-@) < 1525646810 465026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :package base < 1525646810 498577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :package bytestring < 1525646810 498657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :package containers < 1525646997 21491 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web hoogle doesn't seem to have that package < 1525647086 428395 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it had comonad. the web interface doesn't have this bug < 1525647111 93252 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e @hoogle has a bug where it cuts off when results contain @ < 1525647111 223391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1525647120 180736 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1525647146 993026 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e (the web lookup doesn't have the problem, e.g. +comonad <@> ) < 1525647147 110400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1525647147 741313 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1525647160 898388 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle +comonad <@> < 1525647161 250855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad (< < 1525647161 310534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Comonad (< < 1525647242 526454 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try the one in PPCG chat < 1525647315 108108 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what? < 1525647403 356465 :friendlyGoat!~Jonah@74-36-159-174.dr01.nwmd.wi.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1525647430 263755 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be in the room < 1525647459 922753 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the haskell room in PPCG's chat sometimes has a lambdabot, although it seems to be offline now. < 1525647478 525054 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1525647520 290619 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think i'm alone in the room < 1525647526 216182 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very active one < 1525647546 458690 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the previous message was someone commenting on my quine answer) < 1525647603 97797 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1525647618 189153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, mölkky < 1525647620 429217 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525647757 762303 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mölkky < 1525647759 146659 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mölkky? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1525647833 676073 :saiya!~sahya@user-0c8ghej.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1525647833 676127 :saiya!~sahya@user-0c8ghej.cable.mindspring.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1525647836 762252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why does quine 2 use c as a dummy variable rather than s/h/o/w? < 1525647860 735227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not that it matters. < 1525647884 639869 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: h could work, but the others would make the decimal numbers longer < 1525647892 789025 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan actually cares about golfing there < 1525647920 75079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1525647959 574126 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i used s/h/o/w before i noticed the length thing. didn't think of keeping h until i'd changed them < 1525647965 780619 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* shachaf: < 1525648026 245530 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: although for quine 3, i made a point of using many more letters than necessary, to make the code easier to follow < 1525648039 460599 :saiya!~sahya@user-0c8ghej.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1525648059 727049 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that each use of a letter has approximately the same meaning everywhere) < 1525648060 685064 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the realtime record corresponding to http://tasvideos.org/3134M.html GB Pokémon red AND blue two players on two game boys coop both collect every pokemon, glitchless? that sounds like someone must have done it realtime, but probably not quickly < 1525648113 597856 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's also possible that nobody has done it without accidentally invoking a glitch < 1525648293 667416 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1525648294 903582 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is . < 1525648305 520202 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the first time? < 1525648309 701930 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone completely :o < 1525648329 894603 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg password | grep -i redacted < 1525648332 90990 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11544:2018-05-05 learn The password of the month is . < 1525648373 524546 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg password | grep -i secret < 1525648375 409813 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1525648380 487188 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1525648404 793162 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt password < 1525648406 593934 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4901:2014-09-28 learn password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 5001:2014-10-02 learn The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 5002:2014-10-02 revert \ 5006:2014-10-02 learn The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 5052:2014-10-14 learn The password of the month is \'PlayItSweetly,TakeMeDown,Oh,Jazzman\' \ 6625:2016-01-29 learn The password of the month is fisherman3 \ 7083:2016-03-05 learn The password < 1525648445 624055 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pretty long month < 1525648472 226618 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 dowt password < 1525648474 524959 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/8:word of the month is qjkxbmwvz \ 7370:2016-04-12 learn The password of the month is supercalifragilisticexpialidocious \ 7525:2016-04-24 learn The password of the month is zU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ \ 7526:2016-04-24 learn The password of the month is supercalifragilisticexpialidociouszU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ (There. Compromise.) \ 7642:2016-05-02 learn The password of the month is kOMMlIEBERmAIuNDmACHE \ 8507:201 < 1525648508 138728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1525648521 73498 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525648521 853752 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/8:6-06-17 learn The password of the month is viskalikkjesovabortsumarnatta \ 8508:2016-06-17 learn The password of the month is v\xc3\xafskAlikkjesOvab0rtsUmarnatta \ 8877:2016-07-29 learn The password of the month is late. \ 8887:2016-08-02 learn The password of the month is Strindberg \ 9030:2016-09-12 learn The password of the month is au c\xc5\x93ur de septembre \ 9130:2016-10-01 learn < 1525648590 82181 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525648590 887440 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/8: The password of the month is Bierstub\xc3\xab. \ 9627:2016-11-05 learn The password of the month is \xe2\x9b\x84 \ 9813:2016-12-02 learn The password of the month is lutefisk \ 9815:2016-12-02 undo -2 \ 9816:2016-12-02 revert \ 10065:2017-01-01 learn The password of the month is A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91 \ 10206:2017-02-04 lea < 1525648639 134994 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 9627 wisdom/password < 1525648640 377237 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is ⛄ < 1525648653 549398 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ⛄ < 1525648654 323029 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW] < 1525648657 616115 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1525648704 280833 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r10065 wisdom/password < 1525648705 504623 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is AАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑ < 1525648717 106056 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525648717 915943 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/8:rn The password of the month is n9y25ah7 \ 10373:2017-03-08 learn The password of the month is OSBDemoLap9W53! \ 10595:2017-04-09 learn The password of the month is bad \ 10898:2017-05-14 le/rn password//The password of the month is poochpoochpoochpoochpooch \ 10979:2017-06-02 learn The password of the month is out of date tdnh \ 10980:2017-06-02 revert \ 10981:2017-06-02 revert \ 11081: < 1525648771 677345 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1525648779 286149 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1525648784 227602 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525648785 15033 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6/8:2017-07-11 learn The password of the month is blowin\' in the wind. \ 11155:2017-08-16 learn The password of the word is unacceptably delayed \ 11164:2017-08-22 slwd password//s, word, month, \ 11180:2017-09-02 learn The password of the month is chanterelles \ 11206:2017-10-01 learn The password of the month is revolutionary \ 11236:2017-11-04 learn The password of the month is unavailab < 1525648825 778217 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525648826 590299 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7/8:le due to budget cuts \ 11250:2017-12-01 learn The password of the month is equally offensive to all beliefs \ 11251:2017-12-01 learn The password of the month is equally offensive to all beliefs (but not time zones) \ 11291:2017-12-31 learn The password of the month is early. \ 11345:2018-02-15 learn The password of the month is late. \ 11444:2018-03-07 learn The password of the month is Schizophren < 1525648858 791421 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525648859 593244 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8/8:ic Lagomorph \ 11508:2018-04-14 learn The password of the month is way too late to fool anyone. \ 11509:2018-04-14 slwd password//s,.$,, \ 11544:2018-05-05 learn The password of the month is . < 1525648933 357157 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiz: which password has been repeated < 1525649124 175633 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` f=wisdom/password; hg log -T "{rev} {date|isodate}\n" "$f" | head -n 60 | while read r d t; do echo -n "$d: "; hg cat -r$r wisdom/password | sed "s/^The password of the month is //"; done < 1525649136 924619 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` f=wisdom/password; hg log -T "{rev} {date|isodate}\n" "$f" | head -n 333 | while read r d t; do echo -n "$d: "; hg cat -r$r wisdom/password | sed "s/^The password of the month is //"; done | sport < 1525649154 854062 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1525649167 661183 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1525649199 768164 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` f=wisdom/password; hg log -T "{rev} {date|isodate}\n" "$f" | head -n 8 | while read r d t; do echo -n "$d: "; hg cat -r$r wisdom/password | sed "s/^The password of the month is //"; done < 1525649204 723080 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018-05-05: . \ 2018-04-14: way too late to fool anyone \ 2018-04-14: way too late to fool anyone. \ 2018-03-07: Schizophrenic Lagomorph \ 2018-02-15: late. \ 2017-12-31: early. \ 2017-12-01: equally offensive to all beliefs (but not time zones) \ 2017-12-01: equally offensive to all beliefs < 1525649221 969640 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` f=wisdom/password; hg log -T "{rev} {date|isodate}\n" "$f" | head -n 120 | while read r d t; do echo -n "$d: "; hg cat -r$r wisdom/password | sed "s/^The password of the month is //"; done | sport < 1525649244 465308 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/4:2018-05-05: . \ 2018-04-14: way too late to fool anyone \ 2018-04-14: way too late to fool anyone. \ 2018-03-07: Schizophrenic Lagomorph \ 2018-02-15: late. \ 2017-12-31: early. \ 2017-12-01: equally offensive to all beliefs (but not time zones) \ 2017-12-01: equally offensive to all beliefs \ 2017-11-04: unavailable due to budget cuts \ 2017-10-01: revolutionary \ 2017-09-02: chanterelles \ 2017-08-22: unacceptably delayed \ 2017-08-16: The < 1525649339 558284 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:d0d8:ddb0:15f0:3a4d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1525649440 954185 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525649441 720306 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/4:password of the word is unacceptably delayed \ 2017-07-11: blowin' in the wind. \ 2017-06-02: out of date tdnh \ 2017-06-02: poochpoochpoochpoochpooch \ 2017-06-02: out of date tdnh \ 2017-05-14: poochpoochpoochpoochpooch \ 2017-04-09: bad \ 2017-03-08: OSBDemoLap9W53! \ 2017-02-04: n9y25ah7 \ 2017-01-01: AАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑ \ 2016-12-02: lutefisk \ 2016-12-02: ⛄ \ 2016-12-02: lutefisk \ 2016-11-05: ⛄ \ 2016-10-01: Bierstubë. \ 2016-09-12: a < 1525649473 10355 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... hackeso can be as slow to react as hackego apparently < 1525649477 209034 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525649478 74143 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/4:u cœur de septembre \ 2016-08-02: Strindberg \ 2016-07-29: late. \ 2016-06-17: vïskAlikkjesOvab0rtsUmarnatta \ 2016-06-17: viskalikkjesovabortsumarnatta \ 2016-05-02: kOMMlIEBERmAIuNDmACHE \ 2016-04-24: supercalifragilisticexpialidociouszU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ (There. Compromise.) \ 2016-04-24: zU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ \ 2016-04-12: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious \ 2016-03-05: qjkxbmwvz \ 2016-01-29: fisherman3 \ 2014-10-14: 'PlayItSweetly,TakeMeDow < 1525649481 209228 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525649482 43007 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/4:n,Oh,Jazzman' \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-09-28: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR < 1525649485 62249 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525649485 774191 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/4:2018-05-05: . \ 2018-04-14: way too late to fool anyone \ 2018-04-14: way too late to fool anyone. \ 2018-03-07: Schizophrenic Lagomorph \ 2018-02-15: late. \ 2017-12-31: early. \ 2017-12-01: equally offensive to all beliefs (but not time zones) \ 2017-12-01: equally offensive to all beliefs \ 2017-11-04: unavailable due to budget cuts \ 2017-10-01: revolutionary \ 2017-09-02: chanterelles \ 2017-08-22: unacceptably delayed \ 2017-08-16: The < 1525649630 433688 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1525649843 817138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1525649848 806526 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f=wisdom/password; hg log -d "<2014-12-01" -T "{rev} {date|isodate}\n" "$f" | head -n 120 | while read r d t; do echo -n "$d: "; hg cat -r$r wisdom/password | sed "s/^The password of the month is //"; done | sport < 1525649958 610240 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's slow for hg to start and access the repository or something < 1525649999 551738 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` f=wisdom/password; hg log -d "<2014-12-01" -T "{rev} {date|isodate}\n" "$f" | head -n 120 | while read r d t; do echo -n "$d: "; hg cat -r$r wisdom/password | sed "s/^The password of the month is //"; done | sport < 1525650000 418397 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1525650006 241542 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:2014-10-14: 'PlayItSweetly,TakeMeDown,Oh,Jazzman' \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-09-28: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR < 1525650006 527957 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the bkacticks < 1525650009 871840 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1525650010 646121 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525650011 553570 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:2014-10-14: 'PlayItSweetly,TakeMeDown,Oh,Jazzman' \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-09-28: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR < 1525650012 830166 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1525650013 661332 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:2014-10-14: 'PlayItSweetly,TakeMeDown,Oh,Jazzman' \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-10-02: The password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ 2014-09-28: password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR < 1525650017 291278 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1525650021 100047 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that the oldest entry? < 1525650069 588469 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` f=wisdom/password; hg log -T "{date|isodate}\n" "$f" | tac < 1525650070 733721 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-09-28 20:04 +0000 \ 2014-10-02 04:01 +0000 \ 2014-10-02 04:10 +0000 \ 2014-10-02 04:15 +0000 \ 2014-10-14 07:48 +0000 \ 2016-01-29 17:09 +0000 \ 2016-03-05 17:33 +0000 \ 2016-04-12 22:17 +0000 \ 2016-04-24 17:03 +0000 \ 2016-04-24 17:05 +0000 \ 2016-05-02 01:20 +0000 \ 2016-06-17 02:10 +0000 \ 2016-06-17 02:11 +0000 \ 2016-07-29 00:51 +0000 \ 2016-08-02 03:17 +0000 \ 2016-09-12 03:41 +0000 \ 2016-10-01 00:22 +0000 \ 2016-11-05 04:16 +0000 \ 2016-12-02 < 1525650076 835439 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's the oldest < 1525650098 789031 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't get regular until 2016 < 1525650375 500972 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's still not really regular < 1525650439 26468 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I was still thinking of the quine suite thing. I'll have to try to write a quadruple in perl, I think it's just barely possible < 1525650524 553869 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1525650538 227728 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couild be wrong though, and I won't find out until I write it < 1525650597 163914 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1525650692 670454 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1525650809 971579 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current thinking is that the first one is just like eval~'nonsense of all high bytes' except the quoting mechanism might change, the second one is like sub\nb{<< x2 .v10.125\nsub\nb{<< x2 .v10.125\n\n} so it uses none of double quote or apostrophe or q, < 1525650839 232736 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it uses up newline and space but then we still have tabs and two forms of quoting < 1525650899 603245 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the third one will be something like *p=[some string literals separated by commas];print@p[some numbers separated by commas] < 1525651038 841674 :wob_jonas!b03f18ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fourth one will have assignments to scalars like ($A=q/.../)=>($B=q/.../)=>...=>($M=q/.../^q/.../)=> where $M gets the value "print" and then finishes up with STDOUT->$M($F=>$G=>...=>$Z) which I think can catch up with itself if you use two different quote delimiters