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00:29:52 <esowiki> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55199&oldid=55198 * Galaxtone * (+128) /* What does "" mean? */
00:31:54 <esowiki> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55200&oldid=55199 * Galaxtone * (+47) /* What does "" mean? */
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00:49:24 <esowiki> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55201&oldid=55200 * Oerjan * (+46) /* What does "" mean? */ Unsigned
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02:32:52 <Galaxtone> 💻
02:32:58 <Galaxtone> dang it irc needs emoji support
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02:39:49 <oerjan> Galaxtone: it's entirely up to the irc client whether unicode emoji are displayed correctly.
02:40:06 <oerjan> in mine i see a cropped character
02:40:22 <oerjan> but it's there
02:40:34 <oerjan> `unidecode 💻
02:40:36 <HackEso> ​[U+1F4BB - No such unicode character name in database]
02:40:41 <oerjan> oh hm
02:41:02 <oerjan> `multicode 💻
02:41:03 <HackEso> U+1F4BB - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 bb UTF-16BE: d83ddcbb Decimal: &#128187; \ 💻 (💻) \ Uppercase: U+1F4BB \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
02:41:08 <oerjan> weird
02:41:56 <arseniiv> could db in there be outdated
02:41:58 <arseniiv> ?
02:42:22 <oerjan> i updated it less than a month ago...
02:42:30 <oerjan> or so i thought
02:42:44 <oerjan> `` doag share/Uni*
02:42:46 <HackEso> 11538:2018-05-01 <oerjän> fetch share/UnicodeData.txt ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt \ 8622:2016-06-27 <oerjän> ` mv Unic* share \ 6553:2016-01-13 <oerjän> ` mv share/UnicodeD{*,ata.txt}
02:46:22 <oerjan> maybe this is another thing that broke because of the move from HackEgo to HackEso
02:46:36 <oerjan> `url bin/multicode
02:46:37 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/multicode
02:48:20 <oerjan> `` ls -d /usr/shar/uni*
02:48:21 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/usr/shar/uni*': No such file or directory
02:48:29 <oerjan> `` ls -d /usr/share/uni*
02:48:30 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/usr/share/uni*': No such file or directory
02:49:23 <oerjan> `` ls -d /usr/share/perl/*/unicore
02:49:24 <HackEso> ​/usr/share/perl/5.24.1/unicore \ /usr/share/perl/5.24/unicore
02:49:42 <oerjan> `` ls -l -d /usr/share/perl/*/unicore
02:49:43 <HackEso> drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Apr 7 23:23 /usr/share/perl/5.24.1/unicore \ drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Apr 7 23:23 /usr/share/perl/5.24/unicore
02:53:01 <oerjan> `` ls $HOME
02:53:02 <HackEso> No output.
02:53:21 <oerjan> `` ls ~/.unicode
02:53:22 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/tmp/.unicode': No such file or directory
02:54:06 <oerjan> ok as far as i can tell the share/* one is the first in the list that exists, so should be used.
02:57:53 <oerjan> `` multicode -v 💻
02:57:54 <HackEso> ​ \ Unihan_*.txt files not found. In order to view Unihan properties, \ please place the file into /usr/share/unidata/, \ /usr/share/unicode/, ~/.unicode/ \ or current working directory (optionally you can gzip or bzip2 them). \ You can get the files by unpacking ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/Unihan.zip \ Warning, listing UniHan Properties is rather slow. \ \ U+1F4BB - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 bb UTF-16BE:
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02:58:50 <oerjan> perhaps that file somehow doesn't include emoji.
02:59:23 <oerjan> and multicode is way older than the data file
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03:14:21 <esowiki> [[User:King Ethan]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55202 * King Ethan * (+758) Created page with "'''User:King Ethan''' is a [[BF]]-derived language. ==Commands== {|class="wikitable" |+ !Command!!Description |- |<code>[</code>||Move pointer left |- |<code>]</code>||Move po..."
03:14:56 <oerjan> good name
03:28:52 <esowiki> [[User:King Ethan]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55203&oldid=55202 * King Ethan * (+733)
03:29:18 <esowiki> [[User:King Ethan]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55204&oldid=55203 * King Ethan * (+9) /* Commands */
03:30:14 <esowiki> [[King Ethan]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55205 * King Ethan * (+77) Created page with ":''The proper title of this article is User:King Ethan.'' {{User:King Ethan}}"
03:54:03 <Galaxtone> wait wth
03:54:14 <Galaxtone> User:King_Ethan is a BF deritative
03:54:27 <Galaxtone> he is a programming language, *thonk* That is very odd.
03:54:43 <Galaxtone> oh its not on his actual user page
03:54:59 <oerjan> yes it is
03:55:01 <Galaxtone> no wait it is but its broken
03:55:20 <Galaxtone> it just works without the User: in the url
03:55:41 <oerjan> no he made both pages
03:56:02 <Galaxtone> ok...
03:56:04 <Galaxtone> that's weird
03:56:11 <Galaxtone> also why is it N/A for the brainfuck translation
03:56:17 <Galaxtone> for input and output
03:56:25 <oerjan> oh he used transclusion
03:56:58 <Galaxtone> ok this is weird
03:57:14 <Galaxtone> how can a cell be marked N/A or is he refering to the table
03:58:07 <Galaxtone> ok im going to stop questioning this
03:58:47 <oerjan> Galaxtone: it means there's not a direct translation of the command to brainfuck
04:00:26 <oerjan> because he's split up bf's . and , commands into subparts
04:03:11 <Galaxtone> so...
04:03:49 <Galaxtone> +{,>.}
04:03:53 <Galaxtone> is cat?
04:04:07 <oerjan> hm maybe
04:05:25 <oerjan> except it will never halt
04:07:11 <Galaxtone> I guess you'd do
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04:07:50 <Galaxtone> +{],>&(do your checking here for 0 or 10)[}
04:07:56 <Galaxtone> oh and I forgot...
04:08:00 <Galaxtone> &>.[}*
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04:24:55 <Galaxtone> hello?
04:25:15 <Galaxtone> hmm... I wonder what his static value is
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05:03:51 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Galaxtone * uploaded "[[File:Console.png]]"
05:04:30 <esowiki> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55207&oldid=55201 * Galaxtone * (+105) /* Why is your interpreter with input? */ new section
05:04:45 <Galaxtone> Interpreter's kinda stupid
05:04:50 <Galaxtone> with its input behavior
05:05:04 <esowiki> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55208&oldid=55207 * Galaxtone * (+85) /* Why is your interpreter with input? */
05:05:09 <Galaxtone> right the ~~~~ sorry.
05:05:24 <esowiki> [[Talk:Emoji-gramming]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55209&oldid=55208 * Galaxtone * (+64) /* What does "" mean? */
05:23:39 <zzo38> I made up this way to make the total of numbers in a table in SQLite without using any aggregate functions: create table a(x int,z integer primary key); with b(c,d,e) as (select z,'/'||z,x from a union all select z,d||'/'||z,x+e from a,b where instr(d,'/'||z)=0) select e from b order by length(d) desc limit 1; But maybe there is a better way.
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05:25:22 <zzo38> Actually it is a bit problem, because it should be '/'||z||'/' instead probably.
05:25:48 <zzo38> What I wrote above won't work (even though it worked when I tested it just now) unless it is fixed like I said.
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06:15:09 <zzo38> Once it happened in GURPS game we were about to go across the river to get a boat so that the third guy can use it to cross (in order to avoid an ambush), but he found a magic wand, and despite my character warned against it, he used it and managed to turn himself invisible, so instead I told him, he should just walk across the bridge; they can't ambush him then.
06:15:17 <zzo38> (Actually, we might not have spotted the ambush if it wasn't a toll bridge, nor would he have found the magic wand.)
06:46:43 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55210 * Galaxtone * (+1628) Creation
06:46:56 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55211&oldid=55210 * Galaxtone * (-33) /* The mentally insane esolang */
06:52:52 <Galaxtone> don't mark it as unsigned I'm doing that in the next edit
06:54:48 <zzo38> Why?
06:57:12 <Galaxtone> well I don't want it to be useless
06:57:33 <Galaxtone> so i'll change it to be better
06:57:40 <Galaxtone> but really I just want to provide "Examples" that actually work in it
06:57:49 <zzo38> OK
07:04:30 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55212&oldid=55211 * Galaxtone * (-19) Changed the instructions
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07:39:57 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55213&oldid=55212 * Galaxtone * (+408) Added RNG to give same results each time program is ran.
07:40:28 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55214&oldid=55213 * Galaxtone * (+6)
07:48:12 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55215&oldid=55214 * Galaxtone * (+106) :P
07:48:33 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55216&oldid=55215 * Galaxtone * (+39) /* Instructions */
07:54:11 <zzo38> I am not so sure if the flow controls are enough?
08:00:07 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55217&oldid=55216 * Galaxtone * (+43) /* Instructions */
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08:12:12 <arseniiv> is there a language where cat program is ^^ or maybe :3
08:13:09 <arseniiv> I know this is a silly joke and “cat” is probably related to concatenation or something, but it got the best of me
08:17:39 <arseniiv> Galaxtone: is Ą instruction also using that same random()? Then it’s not so random…
08:17:55 <arseniiv> one truly probabilistic language more is always better!
08:18:17 <arseniiv> or not
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08:30:24 <Galaxtone> got an H
08:30:42 <Galaxtone> since RGN randomness is custom and static
08:30:50 <Galaxtone> I can just repeat random until I get my value :P
08:33:36 <arseniiv> nice tactic :D
08:34:51 <Galaxtone> so far got HELL
08:35:06 <arseniiv> also, do you have any plans on compiling BF to this language? It should be hilarious!
08:35:10 <Galaxtone> your going to HELL- oustopolis where its a beautifal place
08:35:25 <Galaxtone> maybe the other way around :P
08:35:37 <Galaxtone> idk
08:35:40 <Galaxtone> also is it true that:
08:35:54 <arseniiv> the other way is booriing
08:36:01 <Galaxtone> also is it true that:
08:36:09 <Galaxtone> anything that can write in brainfuck is turing complete
08:36:29 <Galaxtone> but that anything writtin in brainfuck is not always turing complete?
08:36:43 <Galaxtone> you get what I mean
08:37:11 <arseniiv> the last is true, yep, you could write something small in something big
08:38:03 <arseniiv> the first is also true, if you mean “you can write brainfuck in that”
08:38:32 <fddsafsd> why are ppl interested in brainfuck at all
08:38:34 <fddsafsd> why why why
08:38:36 <fddsafsd> WHY
08:39:01 <arseniiv> IDK, I love lambda calculus
08:39:07 <fddsafsd> <^.^>
08:39:12 <fddsafsd> those are whiskers
08:39:23 <fddsafsd> damn it should have been >>^.^<<
08:39:33 <Galaxtone> its because
08:39:44 <Galaxtone> if you can make an interpreter or have translation
08:39:48 <Galaxtone> your language is turing complete
08:39:53 <Galaxtone> easy test
08:39:57 <fddsafsd> >>>^.^<<< DAMN THAT CAT HAS LONG ASS WHISKERS
08:40:02 <fddsafsd> see my point now
08:40:08 <fddsafsd> calculus is a lie
08:40:11 <Galaxtone> also what happens with insame esolang is that its mod 37
08:40:18 <Galaxtone> so there are like 7 values per character
08:40:29 <fddsafsd> >>>>>^.^<<<<<<<
08:40:36 <fddsafsd> DAMN SON
08:40:38 <Galaxtone> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^.^<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
08:40:42 <Galaxtone> dem whiskers thicc
08:40:43 <fddsafsd> lol
08:40:54 <arseniiv> Galaxtone: the gist of it is, for a sufficiently expressive thing, it could give rise to things as, or less expressive as it, but not more
08:41:17 <Galaxtone> so a turing machine could encode itself
08:41:22 <Galaxtone> but not more than itself
08:41:31 <Galaxtone> but it can do less from which that less cannot be more
08:41:46 <Galaxtone> so its like you can go down but not up
08:41:50 <arseniiv> see my point now> no :D what’s with that cat?
08:41:52 <Cale> https://sites.google.com/site/deedlitsplace/ultracombo
08:41:59 <fddsafsd> no there are self encoding algorithms
08:42:35 <arseniiv> so its like you can go down but not up> yeah
08:43:23 <fddsafsd> i forgot what they were called
08:44:05 <Galaxtone> does it count as going down if you remove the -
08:44:16 <Galaxtone> you can just use + * (255 - value)
08:44:19 <fddsafsd> self modifying code
08:44:25 <fddsafsd> probably a diff thing
08:44:38 <Galaxtone> is it possible to become more than yourself with self modifying code?
08:44:49 <Galaxtone> (expected: nope.)
08:44:58 <Galaxtone> (somehow gets: yeh technically.)
08:45:03 <fddsafsd> whats more than self if you have network connection
08:45:15 <fddsafsd> it even involves human interaction
08:46:13 <arseniiv> does it count as going down if you remove the - > I fear it requires a thorough analysis. So far your language was, I’d say, sufficiently complex to it not be Turing-complete being highly unprobable. But taking expressiveness from it would make a difference after a while
08:47:08 <fddsafsd> whats -
08:47:12 <fddsafsd> inthis context
08:47:39 <arseniiv> is it possible to become more than yourself with self modifying code?> shouldn’t at least if we are no more expressive than some Turing-complete thing. Maybe when we get tooo expressive, it ceases to hold
08:48:08 <arseniiv> however I’m almost sure it doesn’t cease
08:48:31 <arseniiv> there should be some analogue to halting problem
08:49:32 <arseniiv> it doesn’t need to exist for a things of a small expressivity only, e. g. a language with bounded loops only
08:50:05 <arseniiv> s/a things/things
08:50:17 <arseniiv> well I should go have some sleep
08:50:46 <arseniiv> 20 hours is not healthy at all
08:52:52 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55218&oldid=55217 * Galaxtone * (+18)
08:57:39 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55219&oldid=55218 * Galaxtone * (+757) Added challenges
08:57:50 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55220&oldid=55219 * Galaxtone * (+0) /* = Prove Turing-Completness */
09:00:18 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55221&oldid=55220 * Galaxtone * (+4) /* Instructions */
09:00:49 <esowiki> [[User:Galaxtone]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55222&oldid=55074 * Galaxtone * (+14) Added Insane Esolang to Originally created by me list
09:01:27 <esowiki> [[User:Galaxtone]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55223&oldid=55222 * Galaxtone * (+4) Fixed small typo
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09:05:10 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55224&oldid=55221 * Galaxtone * (+43) Added that Deleted User 325d667f submitted the solution
09:06:06 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55225&oldid=55224 * Galaxtone * (+10) Included username
09:06:18 <Galaxtone> oh wait
09:06:21 <Galaxtone> he has a new account
09:06:23 <Galaxtone> crap didn't know that
09:06:24 <Galaxtone> :P
09:07:42 <Galaxtone> some make an interpreter for this
09:08:19 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55226&oldid=55225 * Galaxtone * (-14) Sorry, didn't know he actually had a new account on esolangs. :P
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09:10:34 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55227&oldid=55226 * Galaxtone * (+588) Sssssh, it's a secret.
09:13:59 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55228&oldid=55227 * Galaxtone * (+52) Fixed secret
09:14:38 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55229&oldid=55228 * Galaxtone * (+8)
09:17:53 <esowiki> [[Schmuu]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55230&oldid=55191 * Galaxtone * (-413) /* Examples */
09:24:49 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55231&oldid=55229 * Galaxtone * (+97) /* Instructions */
09:26:11 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55232&oldid=55231 * Galaxtone * (+57) /* Instructions */
09:27:05 <Galaxtone> I think it's possibly turing complete
09:31:21 <Galaxtone> https://i.imgur.com/pwVEe3O.png
09:31:22 <Galaxtone> xD
09:31:24 <Galaxtone> I've broke him
09:36:26 <esowiki> [[Talk:LyricLy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55233 * Galaxtone * (+0) Created blank page
09:39:06 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Galaxtone * uploaded "[[File:Galaxtone Light Appearance .png]]"
09:39:26 <esowiki> [[Talk:LyricLy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55235&oldid=55233 * Galaxtone * (+202) /* Oh come on... */ new section
09:39:38 <esowiki> [[Talk:LyricLy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55236&oldid=55235 * Galaxtone * (+8)
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09:43:43 <int-e> `unidecode 🙏
09:43:44 <HackEso> ​[U+1F64F - No such unicode character name in database]
09:50:01 <esowiki> [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55238&oldid=55232 * Galaxtone * (+60) Pronounciation
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17:53:51 <wob_jonas> "<zzo38> I made up this way to make the total of numbers in a table in SQLite without using any aggregate functions:" => um, why is that constraint useful?
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19:36:48 <int-e> `"
19:36:49 <HackEso> 1230) <fungot> boily: the proc is invoked. before or after the evaluator transfers control to a certain class of anime characters with long hair and loud music \ 241) <oklopol> shit would make great currency, because everyone would have it and you could literally be filthy rich
19:36:51 <int-e> fungot: 123
19:36:51 <fungot> int-e: ii) a judicial panel can act, that officer's salary to that effect. two months after being made. immutable and mutable rules conflict with the unanimous consent of members that are not transferrable, and
19:37:48 <int-e> ^style
19:37:48 <fungot> Available: agora* alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
19:37:54 <int-e> ^style agora
19:37:54 <fungot> Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
19:38:20 <int-e> ^style lovecraft
19:38:20 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
19:38:23 <int-e> fungot: 123
19:38:23 <fungot> int-e: on the third square not far from a place unknown, at the dizzying height of the great
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21:36:35 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55240&oldid=55164 * Digital Hunter * (+13)
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22:24:39 <arseniiv> ^style wp
22:24:39 <fungot> Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
22:24:57 <arseniiv> fungot: insert
22:24:58 <fungot> arseniiv: how is the spelling of my name." whether or not it is " pov" problems if it spends significantly more time discussing one view than another view of equivalent significance, even if of course there are many uses for the word " face" in the first place, if they want continue to spend time in the quiet duel. i believe a more correct name would be maybe n-gage ( software). i think it is useful to give a balanced/ fair/ ne
22:25:18 <arseniiv> oh no
22:25:45 <arseniiv> ^style discworld
22:25:45 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
22:25:53 <arseniiv> fungot: hex
22:25:53 <fungot> arseniiv: " well, yeah... perilous crevasses, too. i had to nudge things a little worse for themselves! ye fnord!"
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22:26:18 <arseniiv> fungot: say something interesting
22:26:18 <fungot> arseniiv: " oh, yes?" he said.
22:26:33 <arseniiv> fungot: (
22:26:33 <fungot> arseniiv: ' susan, can you remember everything that's ever happened to me before. all the sherry had made him a little space...
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22:44:10 <wob_jonas> `aglist 588,589,590
22:44:11 <HackEso> aglist 588,589,590: b_jonas shachaf
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22:54:25 <fizzie> ^style fisher
22:54:25 <fungot> Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations)
22:54:28 <fizzie> fungot: What's up?
22:54:29 <fungot> fizzie: and nobody knows ah in the atmosphere i work anybody could come in handy watching the news and a lot of things
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