< 1526603612 888275 :guest___!83ec363f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.236.54.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526603640 208596 :guest___!83ec363f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.236.54.63 QUIT :Client Quit < 1526604550 479724 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1526604717 753661 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1526610065 406045 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1526611125 885485 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1526611414 512741 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1526611472 731840 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1526614372 79032 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1526614716 212895 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1526614765 335430 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1526616789 860444 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1526618592 746327 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1526619050 725814 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1526619166 279475 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fllccrvvjfkfgpte QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1526619268 586069 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1526619327 692761 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1526619429 627607 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1526619537 822665 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1526619845 629334 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1526619861 779953 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1526619952 369990 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1526620589 253492 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1526622388 992198 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1526622447 766022 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1526622778 548313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Schmuu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55308&oldid=55230 5* 03Schmuui 5* (+0) 10/* List of types */ < 1526622788 766377 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1526623102 727426 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1526623730 201663 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhnqbprbsaofgotp JOIN :#esoteric < 1526625129 897199 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1526625809 743547 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1526626016 480255 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:305e:8854:c7df:b14a JOIN :#esoteric < 1526627332 421244 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1526628419 871023 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:305e:8854:c7df:b14a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1526631421 864148 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1526632081 679115 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1526632967 32377 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1526633927 817800 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.138.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1526634332 679337 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex50gs0dag9mv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1526635812 359019 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1526635880 733137 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.1.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526635966 460554 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhnqbprbsaofgotp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1526636129 365512 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1526637965 636535 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526638210 701627 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, IRC is biting me in my back. I'm trying to find a bug report and patch from years ago, but there's no trace in emails, it's all been on some non-logged irc channel. < 1526638570 625931 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah good! I found the mail < 1526639066 714671 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1526639395 98580 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1526639408 920160 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1526641305 507129 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: WARM CHICKEN < 1526642524 552283 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1526642877 424059 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1526642960 105036 :nikgre!~piman3141@199.164.68.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526643125 408977 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1526643844 655977 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1526644783 566018 :nikgre!~piman3141@199.164.68.184 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1526645247 725916 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.1.245 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1526647515 354795 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1526652972 590582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ghci --version < 1526652973 447203 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: ghci: command not found < 1526655666 118879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I do ghci -e 'import Data.List' -e 'interact (unlines . transpose . lines)' with ordinary command line tools? (this is a transpose; input abc \ def should become ad \ be \ cf ... it's okay if it only works for rectangular inputs) < 1526656403 743295 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1526656922 937420 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btqhoifdnhyqqvon JOIN :#esoteric > 1526657277 5349 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tamalbolge14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55309 5* 03Kaa-kun 5* (+39) 10Redirected page to [[Totally Accurate Malbolge]] < 1526660327 501102 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1526662692 65005 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1526662998 255947 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:The Insane Esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55310&oldid=55290 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+2891) 10Turing co > 1526663147 307646 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:The Insane Esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55311&oldid=55310 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (-56) 10 < 1526663235 961363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526663279 852928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a problem that came up at work (twice, in different contexts): we're trying to effectively attach an extra field to an object in Java (in the sense that we want to store extra information that's specific to the object) < 1526663302 810504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious way to do that is to use a map from objects to field values, so you can store and retrieve the value via a set or get on the map < 1526663315 144507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the garbage collection properties of this aren't the same < 1526663320 212883 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1526663365 70630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you actually do is use a weak map (e.g. WeakHashMap) and then, if the object becomes otherwise unused, the weak reference to it in the map key will break and the map will deallocate the value in response < 1526663386 483863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! this doesn't work 100% correctly in all cases, because if the value refers to the key, you'll get a memory leak as the weak reference in question will never break < 1526663406 452858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the challenge is to find something that's 100% true to the original in terms of GC properties < 1526663423 47051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this feels close enough to esoprogramming that I thought someone here might be able to help :-) < 1526663600 430521 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1526663763 902084 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1526663819 358027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weak map is also the thing I thought to use in JavaScript to add external private data to an object. < 1526663829 489549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW I suspect that this is impossible, but I really hope it's possible as it'd solve one minor problem and one major problem < 1526663838 671459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does JavaScript have weak references? < 1526663849 879969 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a WeakMap as of ES6 I believe > 1526663851 994490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55312&oldid=55307 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (-3) 10Some slight bugfixes required, but mostly correct. < 1526663858 340550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in this case you probably /could/ just set a field on the object directly > 1526663869 262345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55313&oldid=55312 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (-89) 10 < 1526663881 604950 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but that isn't safe in the general case for the obvious reasons :p < 1526663905 743368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you need some sort of language-implemented namespacing, then it could be safe < 1526663924 38089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, a way to generate fresh identifiers < 1526663933 661820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are unequal to any other identifier and can't be typed in the program < 1526663952 686339 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kinda can these days, there's a Symbol type nowadays < 1526663977 277675 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still ask for all properties (both string and symbol keys) of an object, so you can still access it that way < 1526663987 764530 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't entirely transparent, but for practical purposes it works the way you want it to < 1526664003 685462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, the WeakMap object does that. And yes you can use Symbol too, to create your own public names. Both of these are useful for different purposes. < 1526664004 956819 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hmm.. the Java problem is an interesting one < 1526664127 413874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like a chicken-and-egg problem, the ways I can come up with to do it all seem to involve being able to do it already :-( < 1526664185 462934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1526664197 342307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526664229 274665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, this problem is equivalent to "given two objects A, B, create a relationship between them such that A cannot be freed before B is, without otherwise preventing GC operations on them" < 1526664303 229280 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a gnarly problem that I feel must've come up before in Java contexts and have had a lot of thought put to it < 1526664333 554003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a statement in WeakHashMap's documentation specifically mentioning that this case doesn't work ;-) < 1526664345 72917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must have been thought of before < 1526664352 625698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to find any potential solutions to it that may exist < 1526664363 885532 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but helpfully not providing any further hints of what *does* work, if anything.. < 1526664368 898139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1526664500 157390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1526665140 659394 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1526665195 669899 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526665267 619294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeron < 1526665287 804603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a GC primitive of its own, with a name < 1526665309 29102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mentioned in the Wikipedia article, but mentioned elsewhere, is that this can't be done in Java < 1526665442 872405 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! interesting < 1526665561 20725 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting how tables with weak keys in Lua automatically support ephemeron semantics < 1526665722 259907 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if your tables and the weakness of references in keys/values are primitive language features, it kind of makes sense to only trace the value if the corresponding key is found to be alive already < 1526665796 950238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1526666094 448127 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1526666200 710454 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1526666594 261323 :user24!~void@p200300886903100085D19FA4FD3CBB84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1526667501 919156 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1526667939 499769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1526668263 720145 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526668298 737193 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I just miss ais523, or did his client just disconnect temporarily? < 1526668381 680335 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you fix wisdom/wlcom , or delete it if it's unnecessary? < 1526668660 264934 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:908c:f6b8:815:e65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526668868 458894 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yes < 1526668869 649160 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1526668876 607039 :user24!~void@p200300886903100085D19FA4FD3CBB84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1526668887 401165 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Yes is the answer to all tautological questions. ) < 1526669465 705552 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1526669955 571062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no yes is a program that outputs an affirmative response < 1526669999 461001 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1526670257 335859 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes < 1526670258 112103 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ < 1526670326 329222 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New new canonical way to express date and time is SMDH < 1526670366 687003 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date '+%s %m %d %h' < 1526670367 554846 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1526670367 05 18 May < 1526670374 51663 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date '+%S %m %d %h' < 1526670374 881650 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 05 18 May < 1526670388 874045 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date '+%S %m %d %H' < 1526670389 735045 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :29 05 18 19 < 1526670413 166944 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date '+%S %M %m %d %y %H' < 1526670414 108491 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :53 06 05 18 18 19 < 1526670587 428982 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: meh, it's not much worse than the %a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Z %Y format that date uses by default > 1526671428 409415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Andromeda14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55314 5* 03ZM 5* (+3525) 10Created page with "'''Andromeda''' is a two-dimensional, queue-based programming language in which, apart from the usual direction-changing arrows (which also serve additional purposes), there i..." < 1526671449 977083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1526671460 911701 :ZM!55b372cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.179.114.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526671483 693992 :ZM!55b372cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.179.114.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1526671497 126234 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1526671629 931748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: how would you transpose a text file in a shell script? I.e., abc \ def should become ad \ be \ cf (I ended up with ghci -e 'import Data.List' -e 'interact (unlines . transpose . lines)') < 1526671670 651477 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/file// ... I wanted this as part of a pipe < 1526671742 839638 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found an interesting behaviour with SPF: it breaks with mail forwarders like foo@users.sourceforge.net (why was I messing with my old sourceforge address? It was the password reset email for a very old account). < 1526671756 281501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens is that if the origin host has a strict SPF policy, and the receiver verifies and enforces that, it will reject the forwarded mail < 1526671761 191126 :user24!~void@p200300886903100031A381D595AD78B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1526671767 729869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't all though: The reject mail that the MTA of sourceforge sends back to the sender also contains the email that SF tried to forward to, breaking the privacy setting of the user < 1526671781 541064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1526671908 237608 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol sourceforge < 1526671922 330663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so how many accounts have you stolen by now? < 1526671926 352141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( awkward ) < 1526671935 909262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1526671979 198207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a side note, I was sending test mails from the same email that I was forwarding to, leading to some really confusing errors messages, until I figured out what was going on. < 1526672026 511753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I managed to restore my access to that old old gmail account I used back in the day. Apparently I got about 4 emails to it after I last logged in in 2010 or so < 1526672045 476280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them relevant < 1526672063 71723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spam? < 1526672086 572896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that happens when it's hard to guess and never used in public < 1526672095 189545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, well unless you count what google did trying to recruit FOSS developers a few years ago < 1526672138 597055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently I had registered a non-commercial intel compiler license on it too, since there were some stuff related to that too < 1526672173 39612 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: re transpose, I don't know, but I believe there's a question on PPCG for that or something similar < 1526672182 154018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days I run my own mail server, and use a separate mail for each account, good thing too, the debian bug tracker leaks emails, so that one is aliased to /dev/null now < 1526672193 64352 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, I think this year's IOCCC has a program that can do it < 1526672202 764043 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it actually rotates, so you might have to throw in a tac) < 1526672207 809179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also run my own mail server and use a separate alias for each one < 1526672243 148949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it have gopher based browser interface? XD < 1526672254 679556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: mine doesn't, yet) < 1526672261 409594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; it uses only SMTP < 1526672279 362249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about accessing your email? no IMAP or POP? < 1526672326 409479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server is the same computer I mainly use, so it can be accessed directly. < 1526672328 918386 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var/spool/mail? < 1526672334 966524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1526672346 944655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Maildir is the superior format < 1526672530 459866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just using mbox format though, which is what Heirloom-mailx uses. < 1526672551 824655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I programmed the status bar I use on my computer to display how many messages there are) < 1526672773 877310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maildir is much more well designed: no file locking issues, no issues with magic markers in the files < 1526672801 126560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have not had a problem < 1526672859 666078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to do maildir format anyways? < 1526673098 679349 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1526673424 530118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Andromeda14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55315&oldid=55314 5* 03ZM 5* (+142) 10Categories > 1526673477 337360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55316&oldid=55159 5* 03ZM 5* (+16) 10/* A */ < 1526673779 773692 :atslash!~atslash@85.30.198.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1526673865 731694 :user24!~void@p200300886903100031A381D595AD78B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1526673890 398925 :ZM!55b372cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.179.114.204 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1526674074 714706 :atslash!~atslash@85.30.198.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1526674299 764462 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1526674665 504036 :wob_jonas!b03f1914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.20 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1526675327 373653 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1526675410 769227 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Client Quit < 1526679907 249907 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 NICK :Alisa_koshka < 1526679915 28701 :Alisa_koshka!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 NICK :arseniiv < 1526679924 227453 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 QUIT :Quit: gone completely :o < 1526681164 921614 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1526681731 514363 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:908c:f6b8:815:e65 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1526681909 789184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They sort of have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticated_Received_Chain now to deal with SPF and forwarders. The tl;dr is that it's a way for the forwarder to sign a statement saying SPF validation for the original email passed, and then if the recipient trusts the forwarder they can accept it even if it wouldn't pass SPF. < 1526682109 893750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have an @iki.fi forwarding address (IKI ry being a Finnish non-profit to promote Internet use), and it's got similar SPF issues. Some of the people running it have very strong opinions about how SPF has broken the traditional email model. < 1526682183 999932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the battle seems to be pretty much lost. :/ A lot of the email I send via my own zem.fi SMTP server (e.g. to Hotmail, Gmail) gets caught by spam filters, and I suspect that's because they just treat it as suspicious to get email from a domain/server that doesn't send much email. Certainly no other "check for problems" system has figured out anything else wrong with the messages. < 1526682242 467580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that's with passing SPF and DKIM checks, and TLS enabled.) < 1526687887 395797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not using SPF and DKIM, although I think I probably do not need it. (If I somehow do need it then I could add it, I suppose)