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Maybe? 01:09:52 -!- variable has quit (Quit: /dev/null is full). 01:10:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:11:10 -!- rodgort has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:12:53 -!- rodgort has joined. 01:20:44 -!- variable has joined. 01:21:10 uh, okay 01:22:41 -!- alercah has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:31:00 -!- tswett2 has joined. 01:34:18 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:42:02 -!- tswett2 has quit (Quit: Bye). 01:42:21 -!- tswett has joined. 01:49:10 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 01:58:58 [[@text]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55383&oldid=55352 * Oerjan * (-1) Removing newline that messes up Mediawiki's braindead diff 01:59:58 [[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55384&oldid=55335 * Digital Hunter * (+45) 02:25:27 [[Boolet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55385&oldid=55382 * Oerjan * (-25) Bold title, section headings 02:37:13 -!- variable has quit (Quit: /dev/null is full). 02:44:36 [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Perpetum Mobile]]": Misspelling 02:45:45 -!- variable has joined. 03:08:25 -!- xkapastel has joined. 03:16:35 -!- arseniiv has joined. 03:16:56 @messages 03:30:40 @tell Vorpal nice article! 03:30:40 Consider it noted. 04:18:19 some esolang should definitely be called Σ:3 04:18:45 But there's already a person with that name. 04:19:02 (pronounces as “purry”) 04:19:05 wait what? 04:19:20 who? 04:19:20 Oh, that's a cat. 04:19:23 I get it now. 04:19:32 I was wondering about that. 04:19:34 :D 05:18:06 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 06:22:37 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 06:24:21 good morning 06:24:29 @messages 06:25:27 hm, why had my laptop suspended to RAM during the night, that isn't supposed to happen 06:26:07 not while plugged in 06:47:20 -!- plokmijnuhby has joined. 06:47:30 -!- plokmijnuhby has quit (Client Quit). 07:10:55 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:12:09 -!- moei has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 07:12:11 -!- variable has quit (Quit: /dev/null is full). 07:14:55 -!- variable has joined. 07:15:16 -!- variable has quit (Client Quit). 07:15:50 arseniiv: extension idea: sub assemblies, that you can attach to letters and then insert them anywhere in the playing field (or other sub assemblies). Each sub-assembly can have 4 different connections (one per cardinal direction), that can be either a string, a wire or a particle 07:16:18 sounds annoying to implement proper execution with respect to turn order for that though 07:16:45 -!- variable has joined. 07:16:49 -!- variable has quit (Client Quit). 07:19:57 should two instances of the same subassembly be copies or the same instance though? 07:20:31 copies, and this is basically macros, same instance and it becomes very hard to ensure consistent behaviour 07:25:54 arseniiv: what happens if a piston pushes a box off the conveyor? 07:26:04 or a string pulls it off 07:30:36 or a piston pushes a box off the end of a belt? 07:31:16 because right now there is nothing a piston can't push, so what does two pistons simultaneously pushing each other do 07:48:16 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55386&oldid=55379 * Vorpal * (+154) /* Playing field elements */ Clarify and document undefined piston behaviour 07:53:50 In a sokoban game instead of drawing the figure of a man draw the figure of a kind of animal that could push the boxes but would not be able to pull or climb over or fly over the boxes. 07:56:57 zzo38: or maybe the roof height is just too low to allow you to climb over? Or the blocks are too tall and slippery? 07:59:29 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Paradoctor * New user account 08:05:13 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55387&oldid=55369 * Paradoctor * (+134) /* Introductions */ + 08:05:51 Yes, that is the other way 08:12:45 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55388&oldid=55386 * Vorpal * (+1258) /* Sub assemblies (sub) */ 08:13:31 zzo38: or the guy is playing a game, with rules, and don't want to break them to avoid being disqualified? 08:18:03 [[User:Paradoctor]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55389 * Paradoctor * (+87) info 08:18:27 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55390&oldid=55388 * Vorpal * (+91) /* Turn processing order */ Halting condition added 08:21:07 I suspect that when I implement this language I will only implement the IO extension. At least to begin with 08:21:58 Of course that is already the case, regardless of the pictures. 08:23:39 zzo38: yeah but I mean you are playing a guy who plays a game, as opposed to playing the game directly ;P 08:25:08 O, OK, if that is what you like 08:25:45 i like meta stuff so, yeah 08:26:14 OK 09:00:58 [[Thue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55391&oldid=54332 * Paradoctor * (-74) /* Computational model */ it's the other way around: Thue systems are symmetric semi-Thue systems 09:09:05 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55392&oldid=55390 * Plokmijnuhby * (+566) 09:13:21 [[User talk:Plokmijnuhby]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55393&oldid=55274 * Vorpal * (+430) /* Perpetuum Mobile */ new section 09:16:53 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55394&oldid=55392 * Vorpal * (+226) /* Loops and splitting */ Added clarification on how energy (doesn't) split. 09:18:24 -!- moei has joined. 09:27:02 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:36:08 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 09:38:49 [[User talk:Plokmijnuhby]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55395&oldid=55393 * Plokmijnuhby * (+517) /* Perpetuum Mobile */ 09:58:36 [[User talk:Plokmijnuhby]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55396&oldid=55395 * Vorpal * (+237) /* Perpetuum Mobile */ 09:58:47 [[User talk:Plokmijnuhby]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55397&oldid=55396 * Vorpal * (+1) /* Perpetuum Mobile */ 10:00:25 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55398&oldid=55394 * Vorpal * (-88) /* Scaling down energy */ Remove misinformed example. 10:03:51 is it possible to construct a mechanism that moves infinitely far? You can push with pistons, and pull with strings, but I still don't see a way to make a self contained "glider" as it were 10:18:22 Vorpal: should two instances of the same subassembly be copies or the same instance though? => I think copies, it’s easier to reason about and implement. E. g. what to do if one instance is pulled from the west and another isn’t? 10:19:04 oh, you’ve already observed that 10:19:26 arseniiv: hm, right, also pulling will be messy there, since if won't pull if it has a string connection on that side 10:19:43 instead transferring the force into the sub assembly 10:22:05 what happens if a piston pushes a box off the conveyor? => originally I thought boxes should be unable to move from conveyors, but maybe it could just sit in place if pushed/pulled from. We can even initialize such a standalone box in code—it just shouldn’t touch any belt from their corresponding directions 10:24:08 you could use pistons to push between two conveyors! 10:24:41 or onto a conveyor 10:38:20 trying to think of a clean way to implement the language now, it is not a clean language, so that makes it harder 10:39:04 think having dispatch tables per interaction type, keyed on entity type might work 11:25:54 -!- atslash has joined. 11:30:34 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:30:41 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55399&oldid=55398 * Vorpal * (+90) /* Scaling down energy */ Actually doesn't work like I thought, since energy is specified as buffered 11:48:03 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 11:50:06 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 11:51:14 " In a sokoban game [...] draw the figure of a kind of animal that could push the boxes but would not be able to pull or climb over or fly over the boxes." => that would be difficult, because you usually see domestic animals *pull* cargo with a harness on a cart or sled, or carry cargo on their back, rather then push cargo. 11:53:15 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 12:13:04 zzo38: wob_jonas: it may be a robot with perfectly spherical hands, so that it couldn’t grab anything but could push 12:13:33 or it even could be spherical all by itself 12:14:42 FTR there’s a game called Enigma utilizing mouse-controlled balls, and it has great many frustrating Sokoban-like levels 12:18:58 IMO a perfect Enigma level (and a common one is pretty close to perfection here) combines need for extensive paper notes, impossible dexterity, an infinite table (mouse dances pretty far out there) and an ability to make/consult notes simultaneously with making crazy jigs with your mouse-wielding hand. IDK what kind of people are the game’s target audience 12:21:29 sounds like a tool assistance target to me 12:28:41 hm maybe those high-scorers are lent a robotic hand 12:43:42 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 13:04:31 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 13:04:52 arseniiv: or the Monster in the Dark from ''The Order of the Stick'' (webcomic). He's better at pushing than pulling. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0701.html 13:14:15 Hm, I'm not convinced by Plokmijnuhby argument that Perpetuum Mobile is TC. I'm not sure you can actually usefully get at the bignum information. 13:15:43 arseniiv: ooh, been years since I thought about that game (Enigma). Even longer since I played it 13:16:31 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 13:21:09 `q 13:21:10 351) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week 13:21:14 `' 13:21:15 876) btw, I finally discovered what a burrito was, recently they're kind of nice to eat but don't really resemble monads 13:21:17 `w 13:21:18 ​zzo38mtg//http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt 13:21:19 `? 13:21:20 ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:21:27 `5 13:21:29 1/2:464) I hope in the future people curse me for creating such a shitty protocol. \ 1252) What is an esolang? shachaf: It's an archaic term for an Esolang \ 90) you move on the tape and shit \ 1084) a dark day for all of humankind Bike: Wrong. Not all of humankind lives in the same timezone. a dark day for some of humankind OK \ 1053) Hmm, is an Electronic Signat 13:22:53 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55400&oldid=55399 * Vorpal * (+595) /* Sub assemblies (sub) */ 13:23:40 `e 13:23:41 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: e: not found 13:26:50 ``` for x in {1..255}; do type -p "$(perl -e 'print chr$ARGV[0]' $x)"; done 13:26:56 ^ single-byte shortcuts 13:27:02 ​/hackenv/bin/ \ /hackenv/bin/ \ /hackenv/bin/" \ /hackenv/bin/# \ /hackenv/bin/' \ /hackenv/bin/( \ /hackenv/bin/* \ /hackenv/bin/1 \ /hackenv/bin/2 \ /hackenv/bin/3 \ /hackenv/bin/4 \ /hackenv/bin/5 \ /hackenv/bin/? \ /hackenv/bin/@ \ /hackenv/bin/` \ /hackenv/bin/f \ /hackenv/bin/h \ /hackenv/bin/n \ /hackenv/bin/q \ /hackenv/bin/w 13:27:05 `? `f 13:27:06 ​`f? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:27:09 `f 13:27:10 try: `f command filename 13:27:13 `? f 13:27:14 f? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:27:22 what does that do? 13:27:31 `? h 13:27:32 h? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:27:32 `? # 13:27:33 ​`# //` is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn. 13:27:52 `h 13:28:23 No output. 13:29:22 wob_jonas: hehe 13:29:43 aha. bin/h is what produces the whelcohme output 13:29:49 `? whelcohmhe 13:29:50 whelcohmhe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:29:54 whatever the name is of that command 13:30:05 ``` echo bin/w*h*c*h*m 13:30:06 bin/w*h*c*h*m 13:30:12 ``` echo bin/w*h*m 13:30:12 bin/w*h*m 13:30:16 huh 13:30:17 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55401&oldid=55400 * Vorpal * (+615) /* String behaviour */ Improve and extend examples 13:30:29 wob_jonas: so, looked at my new fancy esolang yet? 13:30:39 ``` grep -Rls welcome wisdom 13:30:42 wisdom/glados 13:30:59 hopefully it is interesting and at least somewhat original 13:31:01 ``` grep -Rls welcome bin 13:31:02 bin/добро-пожаловать \ bin/wElCoMe \ bin/elcome \ bin/velkommen \ bin/welcome \ bin/välkommen \ bin/jrypbzr \ bin/velkomin \ bin/Welcome \ bin/WeLcOmE \ bin/tervetuloa \ bin/willkommen \ bin/welcome \ bin/wlcm \ bin/welkom \ bin/ozcome \ bin/bienvenue \ bin/autowelcome \ bin/bienvenido \ bin/wlcmr \ bin/rwelcome \ bin/ουελκομε \ bin/benvenuto \ bin/emoclew \ bin/relcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/WELCOME \ bin/zalgre 13:31:27 ``` echo wisdom/w*h*m*e 13:31:28 wisdom/w*h*m*e 13:31:36 whatever that was 13:33:00 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 13:33:05 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Changing host). 13:33:05 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 13:33:09 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55402&oldid=55401 * Vorpal * (+95) /* Extensions */ 13:34:37 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:35:30 hehe => that was about Monster in the Dark 13:35:57 [[Perpetuum Mobile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55403&oldid=55402 * Vorpal * (+144) /* File format */ 13:37:07 `autowelcome somebody 13:37:07 Autowelcome disabled. 14:07:16 I'm out for a while, see you all later 14:14:22 -!- boily has joined. 14:14:45 QUINTHELLOPIA! 15:38:35 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:47:08 -!- boily has quit (Quit: RIG CHICKEN). 15:58:14 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:58:42 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 16:02:32 -!- variable has joined. 16:09:45 lol 16:34:18 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:44:42 -!- alercah has joined. 16:50:36 -!- screwsss has joined. 16:50:42 this place is really esoteric 16:51:06 `welcome screwsss 16:51:08 screwsss: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:52:56 `welcome shachaf 16:52:57 shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:56:20 -!- tswett2 has joined. 16:56:53 `welcome HackEso 16:56:54 HackEso: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:56:58 lol 16:57:14 `welcome tswett 16:57:15 tswett: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:57:17 `welcome Cale 16:57:18 Cale: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:57:21 `welcome GeekDude 16:57:22 GeekDude: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:57:25 `welcome joast 16:57:26 joast: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:57:27 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:57:29 `welcome Lord_of_Life 16:57:30 Lord_of_Life: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 16:57:33 Please stop 16:57:40 soz just testing 16:58:16 well i can see a lots going on in here 16:58:25 -!- screwsss has left. 16:59:48 -!- variable has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 17:17:27 -!- alercah has quit (Quit: leaving). 17:17:48 -!- alercah has joined. 17:24:25 -!- tswett2 has quit (Quit: Bye). 17:24:45 -!- tswett has joined. 17:42:21 uh, what was that 18:09:50 -!- alexandre has joined. 18:14:25 huh 18:21:27 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:37:12 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:50:20 -!- alexandre has quit (Quit: TELEPATHIC CHICKEN). 18:58:48 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Appinv * New user account 19:01:46 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55404&oldid=55387 * Appinv * (+161) /* Introductions */ 19:05:51 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55405&oldid=55372 * Appinv * (+17) /* C */ 19:20:14 let's call it enthusiasm 19:21:47 [[Css Script]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55406 * Appinv * (+410) Created page with "Css script is a language created by Appinv to draw css shapes. it created in an attempt to solve the monthly challenges of creative club commands : fill black rect 1..." 19:24:34 [[Css Script]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55407&oldid=55406 * Appinv * (+76) 19:28:02 [[Css Script]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55408&oldid=55407 * Appinv * (-27) /* external resources */ 19:28:31 [[Css Script]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55409&oldid=55408 * Appinv * (+1) /* external resources */ 19:30:05 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55410&oldid=55405 * Appinv * (+17) /* G */ 19:32:28 [[Css Script]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55411&oldid=55409 * Appinv * (+49) 19:42:09 [[GreenBerry]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55412 * Appinv * (+482) Created page with "greenBerry is a one line statement language created by Abdur-rahmaan Janhangeer as an in-shell utility for python programs == commands == examples var x = 1 class Man..." 19:44:53 -!- contrapumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 20:02:44 When using 7-Zip to load a ELF executable file it has eight files numbered from 0 to 7. What does each of them mean? It says file 6 is empty, and file 2 is stored with a smaller size than the actual size (the rest use the actual size), what is that? 20:06:15 zzo38: maybe they correspond to the sections listed by readelf -S 20:06:29 though sampling some files on my system have way more than 8 20:06:55 ah it could be the segments listed in readelf -l 20:07:02 seem to have 8 of those 20:08:00 don't think it is a particularly useful view that 7-zip gives you 20:08:31 readelf and objdump are far superior tools for digging in ELF binaries 20:08:48 there is also a nice ncurses-based hex editor/disassembler/code editor called "ht" 20:09:23 good night 20:10:04 hmm, here it gives me section names as "file names" 20:10:23 http://paste.debian.net/1026828/ 20:10:38 (though tbh it would never have occurred to me to try that) 20:11:52 I would think that would be more useful, but on my computer it doesn't (it also displays "Characteristics = Executable file" instead of "Characteristics = Shared object file") 20:13:10 /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, stripped 20:14:00 7-Zip does list sections and resources for Windows executable files (although only 32-bit executables; it doesn't work with 16-bit Windows executables) 20:14:02 anyway, what Vorpal said... it doesn't seem to be the right tool for digging into ELF files. 20:15:07 zzo38: what about 64-bit ones? 20:15:10 Yes, I know, I just wanted to know why it does what it does. 20:15:23 Vorpal: I don't know; I don't have any 64-bit Windows programs on my computer. 20:15:39 wow, that is quite an old computer then 20:18:02 I do have 64-bit Linux though 20:18:44 good night for real now 20:19:23 OK 20:25:26 -!- tswett2 has joined. 20:25:41 [[Boolet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55413&oldid=55385 * Joshop * (+28) 20:28:50 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:36:50 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Quit: :q). 20:47:33 -!- variable has joined. 20:51:18 -!- xkapastel has joined. 21:10:36 -!- trout has joined. 21:13:32 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:15:08 -!- sprocklem has quit (Quit: []). 21:53:19 -!- sprocklem has joined. 21:56:05 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:56:31 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:59:01 -!- tswett has joined. 22:00:34 -!- tswett3 has joined. 22:02:06 -!- tswett2 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:03:16 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:09:30 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:10:26 -!- tswett3 has quit (Quit: Bye). 22:10:48 -!- tswett has joined. 22:15:57 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:33:06 -!- friendlyGoat has joined. 22:33:14 -!- friendlyGoat has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:33:26 -!- zzo38 has joined. 22:46:03 -!- tromp has joined. 22:51:10 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:00:03 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in). 23:00:20 -!- danieljabailey has joined. 23:04:41 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 23:30:26 -!- tromp has joined. 23:34:45 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:46:37 -!- tswett2 has joined. 23:49:26 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds).