< 1527985461 995121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1527985504 157530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1527985504 195789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1527985504 195840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1527986146 367892 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527986255 423995 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1527987421 809916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527987634 436518 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527987660 479878 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1527987809 334191 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1527988121 625137 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh homespring's author showing up on the wiki < 1527988180 161517 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( imposter! ) < 1527988217 211915 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Hail The HypnoToad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvgIrpIgqDM > 1527988658 442522 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Suicide14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55504&oldid=39462 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-4) 10 < 1527989074 303725 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...based on his twitter feed, dmm seems to have gotten a puppy as well as the kitten... this cannot be good for comic output. < 1527989681 524652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned some thing about language speeching above do you know much about that? I have imagine that native language of Ziveruskex is going to have different phonetics, and might not have a separate word for "eat" vs "drink", or for "him" vs "her", maybe. Also they have only four fingers instead of five, may also difference, such as with base eight rather than ten. < 1527989812 829384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found that Fossil includes a implementation of two way popen() kind of function. < 1527990208 344858 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1527990234 350305 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1527990836 786064 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:e9c8:a115:f41b:5998 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527990946 19138 :iconmaster__!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:cd7:5ffa:2a44:a3a3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1527992265 209817 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1527994849 389143 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1527998154 788553 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1527998435 709963 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:e9c8:a115:f41b:5998 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1527999361 708353 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1527999369 225118 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're about to prove Emoji-gramming to be turning-complete < 1527999384 170441 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not useful as the divmod is like O(n^3) < 1527999395 393011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1527999403 301546 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we almost have substituion of brainfuck to emoji-gramming < 1527999470 703777 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( are you sure it can really turn by _any_ angle? ) < 1527999526 999045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That what can turn by any angle? < 1527999978 488653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you see the NES video? < 1527999986 898954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even mentions Famicom < 1528000224 336929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. However, I have read messages on NESdev forum that relate to it (the ID number of the video matches the one you gave, so probably it is same thing), so, I know what it is. < 1528000415 347977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you not watch videos? < 1528000491 807717 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it was a pun on a typo hth < 1528000495 815967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not watch videos on the computer (and I don't watch television much either) < 1528000527 937272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, yes, OK I can see < 1528001980 146530 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1528002296 216228 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1528002327 328039 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1528004117 380539 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.183.142.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1528006240 512026 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is illegal in six US states and Saudi Arabia < 1528006242 668573 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is illegal in six US states and Saudi Arabia < 1528006260 266811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which six US states? < 1528006280 524156 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say. < 1528006990 115273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i `learn The password of the month is early by almost a month < 1528009244 306397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1528009377 336884 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1528010616 116857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Longplayer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55505 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+2253) 10Created page with "Longplayer is a language loosely based on [https://longplayer.org/about/how-does-longplayer-work/ the music that bears its name]. It implements a control flow scheme that the..." < 1528012514 322917 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1528013455 577725 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1528014940 328433 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pnybfddcrqrxryoq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1528015981 279352 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1528015989 696698 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1528016044 203686 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'zsync -o /data/esolang.xml http://esolangs.org/dump/esolang.xml.zsync' fails with failed to retrieve from https://esolangs.org/dump/esolang.xml.gz; Aborting, download available in /data/esolang.xml.part < 1528016079 823896 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1528016450 303308 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1528016705 682614 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1528017027 679682 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1528019483 350796 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1528020175 309789 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1528020458 337662 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdqielmqwhwtukov JOIN :#esoteric < 1528020667 133927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-249-54.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1528020667 134003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-249-54.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1528020667 134025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1528021846 371883 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1528023459 274013 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:e9c8:a115:f41b:5998 JOIN :#esoteric < 1528024262 694177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1528024262 695170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1528024262 695190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1528024966 396609 :Storkman!~Storkman@storkman.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1528025894 408863 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1528026559 207422 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1528027331 209390 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Longplayer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55506&oldid=55505 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+214) 10Clarifications and modifications < 1528027764 385484 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1528027764 467945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1528028876 196828 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1528029460 199980 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1528029466 525202 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1528029466 648126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1528029653 219488 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi again < 1528030788 372177 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1528030833 339146 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1528030885 691816 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1528031332 942140 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1528031428 719185 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1528031539 767637 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D141.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1528031740 328242 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdqielmqwhwtukov QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1528033132 677062 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1528033184 685161 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1528033364 512012 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1528035368 560093 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: EXTENDED CHICKEN > 1528036992 218584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Longplayer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55507&oldid=55506 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+28) 10Why does a wikitable sometimes remove spaces and sometimes not? < 1528037867 327729 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1528039180 289880 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1528039553 898724 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1528042349 479454 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1528043472 188559 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1528044686 475273 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1528045253 930814 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:e9c8:a115:f41b:5998 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1528048074 526206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mention in TeXbook that it would be possible to write an entire book about TeX output routines; the Appendix D of the TeXbook lists only a few. Do you know if any such book has been written? < 1528048648 763012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other tricks that I have used with output routines, such as using insertions to communicate to the output routine. Although there is \write, that only works if the page is shipped out; it won't work before the page is shipped out or if it is not shipped out at all. So, you can use an insertion containing marks, with penalties in between, and then use \vsplit to extract the marks. < 1528048944 542991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output routines could be used to do many other things too, including to rearrange the order of pages, print an index in multiple columns, add rules into the outer edge of a page so that if you look at the edge of a closed book you can find a section, etc. < 1528049238 672294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using one pass to just figure out the cross references and not ship out anything, and then the second pass to fill them in, then there may be problem in case the resolved cross references change the size of a paragraph. One way to fix this is to ensure all section numbers (and/or page numbers, if applicable) have the same width. < 1528049299 68450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other way could be to use marks to record where the section headings are; the output routine can ensure they are on the correct page, and if not, can loosen or tighten the page to make them fit. < 1528049346 959647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way a cross-reference can include a page number that comes later than the reference itself. < 1528050046 801338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't TeX and LaTeX traditionally resolve cross references in a first pass before rendering the pages in a second one? < 1528050083 2776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how it handles if the target of the cross reference moves to another page after resolving cross references in between < 1528050179 548984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX has no built-in mechanism for cross references. < 1528050201 213859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX does though < 1528050224 161098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if LaTeX handles that either. < 1528050227 490659 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you create a "meta stable" state of cross references, such that the calculated target pages changes every other re-run < 1528050272 85269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, maybe. But I suggested a way to write output routines that can avoid such a "meta stable" state < 1528050411 189203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I just wonder how noticeable such fixed width formatting would be for alternative 1. Or how noticeable such stretching/squeezing of the page would be for the second alternative < 1528050420 121110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you obviously want to avoid it looking ugly < 1528050449 344908 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.183.142.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1528050452 313416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course < 1528050469 917691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably very rare in any "real" document though < 1528050550 632840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think probably you are correct < 1528050894 740200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling, there is apparently some latex package called varioref which will try to produce "smart" references, like "on the previous page" which can can cause really strange errors if it ends up split across a page boundary < 1528051565 598788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put penalties to avoid it maybe < 1528053281 470904 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1528053816 389059 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1528054507 937042 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hybyvtxbbdonbmbi JOIN :#esoteric < 1528055370 494137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could prevent it being split across a page boundary < 1528058193 998867 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. < 1528058387 247745 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1528058640 441048 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1528058701 898091 :izabera!~izabera@133.57.227.35.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1528059199 871863 :izabera!~izabera@133.57.227.35.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Changing host < 1528059199 871933 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1528060587 728297 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-118-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1528060682 335660 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-118-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1528062269 251975 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hybyvtxbbdonbmbi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1528063468 822729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think these limits are sufficient? http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/heromesh.ui/wiki?name=Limits < 1528063847 361154 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1528066802 587984 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1528066820 691940 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1528066878 422713 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1528067438 135274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of ZZTQED? That is another external editor for ZZT, although I think the idea can be use even with level editors for other games too (although with differences, because it is difference from ZZT game). < 1528069589 694956 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always pondered writing a "modern" ZZT. < 1528069775 409229 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with a configurable tileset and movement with lerp. < 1528069868 781861 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse controls, a standard level editor, a simple scripting language..