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00:40:43 <zzo38> Can you use a privileged JavaScript code to affect multiple tabs at once?
00:43:51 <zzo38> They now added window functions into SQLite (although the version with window functions is not yet released), although, it says can only be used with SELECT, and, I wanted to use window functions with UPDATE, too.
00:52:03 <esowiki> [[Ja]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56283&oldid=56271 * Oerjan * (+279) Not convinced yet
00:54:39 <esowiki> [[BF instruction minimalization]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56284&oldid=56275 * Oerjan * (+7) These really shouldn't all be top level sections.
00:55:40 <oerjan> the specification of ja is a bit unclear on j, i think.
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01:39:58 <esowiki> [[Turing tarpit]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56285&oldid=56265 * Oerjan * (-86) It's not clearly TC yet
01:57:27 <esowiki> [[BackTurn]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56286&oldid=56238 * Zzo38 * (+29) 
02:01:32 <zzo38> Yes, it is unclear to me too
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02:31:12 <esowiki> [[BackTurn]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56287&oldid=56286 * Zzo38 * (+612) 
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02:49:19 <zzo38> BackTurn level 1 should be able to sufficient for BackFlip-equivalent because I have managed to make flipping mirrors from two rotators, and fixed mirrors from two fixed mirrors, making tiled of 3x3 blocks in both cases. However, which pattern is needed depends on what else in the same row/column.
02:53:04 <zzo38> Do you?
03:04:02 <oerjan> um what about arrows?
03:07:24 <zzo38> There is the mention in [[Talk:BackFlip]] of why arrows are unnecessary.
03:08:14 <zzo38> "Having flipping mirrors and any one of: symbols always rebounding, symbols with a direction which always rebounds, fixed mirrors, arrows, gives you all of the others. (showing that you can get arrows is the difficult part, shown by ais523 above)"
03:12:56 <zzo38> (A symbol that always rebounds can also be made using the fixed mirrors if the flipping mirrors are made using rotators as I mentioned)
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03:28:11 <oerjan> oh
03:30:56 <oerjan> and i even wrote that.
03:33:53 <zzo38> Yes, you did write that, so hopefully you should know.
03:35:14 <oerjan> but i forgot.
03:35:25 <zzo38> OK
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04:08:21 <esowiki> [[FuckPack]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56288&oldid=56279 * A * (+55) 
04:08:44 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck extensions]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56289&oldid=56280 * A * (+14) 
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04:12:09 <esowiki> [[FuckPack]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56290&oldid=56288 * A * (+55) 
04:13:12 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck extensions]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56291&oldid=56289 * A * (+14) 
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04:26:29 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck.NET]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56292 * A * (+1322) Created page with "==Language overview== Brainfuck.NET operates on an array of memory cells, also referred to as the [[tape]], each initially set to zero. There is a [[pointer]], initially point..."
04:28:34 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck extensions]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56293&oldid=56291 * A * (+89) 
04:29:03 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck.NET]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56294&oldid=56292 * A * (+37) /* Language overview */
04:33:21 <esowiki> [[Talk:Ja]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56295&oldid=56276 * Ais523 * (+767) /* The definition doesn't match the example */ new section
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04:35:02 <ais523> I have a huge suspicion that User:Asdf and User:A are the same person and pretending to be two different people
04:37:18 <ais523> and am annoyed at the number of near-identical languages that they're pumping out
04:37:28 <ais523> also the general lack of understanding of Turing-completeness
04:40:48 <oerjan> ais523: i also suspect this.
04:41:42 <oerjan> at least Ja could be interesting, if clarified.
04:42:18 <oerjan> the interpreter doesn't match itself, although someone else (i think) made that.
04:45:27 <zzo38> It does look someone else wrote the interpreter (which also look like not a very good job).
04:46:17 <oerjan> ais523: the interpreter takes (although buggily) a different interpretation of j though, which is actually more promising since the code and data won't always be the same point.
04:46:22 <ais523> oerjan: ja is basically the I/D machine with control flow, I think, just the control flow doesnt actualy work
04:47:11 <ais523> the same person (assuming it's the same person) created a version of the I/D machine with output but the output is the same every time round the main loop…
04:47:13 <oerjan> aha
04:51:50 <zzo38> Then they didn't do a very good job with that either.
04:53:37 <ais523> I'm not sure I've seen them do a very good job with anything yet :-(
04:55:14 <shachaf> ais523: whoa, NetHack is adding statuscolors?
04:55:47 <ais523> "is adding"? some version of that has been in since 3.6
04:56:02 <ais523> although 3.6.0's version didn't really work
04:56:04 <ais523> 3.6.1's is more usable
04:56:38 <shachaf> Ah, looks like it's being reimplemented, not using my patch.
05:00:29 <zzo38> ais523: You wrote how to make arrows with BackFlip if you do not have arrows but do have the symbol that always rebounds, and also flipping mirrors. I also figured how to make flipping mirrors out of rotators in BackTurn, although which pattern you need depends on what "parity" the next pattern in all four directions has. Therefore, I think you can make it BackFlip-equivalent, isn't it? Or did I do something wrong?
05:00:48 <ais523> shachaf: you wrote the original statuscolors?
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05:02:22 <ais523> zzo38: I haven't looked at that in detail to see if it works, but I expect it to work; "rotator that reverses direction when it's hit" is quite similar to a flipping mirror (it's not the same but it's usable for many of the same purposes)
05:04:08 <shachaf> ais523: Back in the day.
05:04:49 <ais523> I think the reason it was reimplemented was that it was tty-specific
05:04:57 <ais523> and the devteam wanted a version that could work with any windowport
05:05:50 <ais523> (note: I wasn't on the devteam at the time so I don't know for certain)
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05:11:00 <zzo38> ais523: The only way I figured to get it to work is to group rotators together and to use different paths for different directions (which is why you need different patterns in different cases, so that the edges match up properly), but maybe there is a better way I don't know.
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06:52:32 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/canada.day
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06:58:44 <izabera> zzo38: where are the answers?
07:00:51 <zzo38> I don't know.
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07:46:01 <esowiki> [[X:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56296 * A * (+910) Created page with "'''X:''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by User:A([[user:A]]) which further minimizes [[123]].   == Instructions == The pointer begins at location 0.  The pro..."
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10:35:07 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56297&oldid=56226 * Ais523 * (+1430) /* Turing-completeness */ new section
10:35:47 <esowiki> [[X:]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56298&oldid=56296 * Ais523 * (-19) computational class fix (this is less powerful than an FSM)
10:38:30 <esowiki> [[X:]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56299&oldid=56298 * Ais523 * (-43) actually, these categories seem to have been copied from [[123]], e.g. this language probably wasn't created the same year as that one; trim them down to only the categories supported by the article
10:58:17 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56300&oldid=56297 * A * (+95) /* Turing-completeness */
10:59:53 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56301&oldid=56300 * A * (+14) /* Turing-completeness */
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11:09:50 <esowiki> [[Turing tarpit]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56302&oldid=56285 * A * (+37) /* Survey */
11:12:51 <esowiki> [[Ja]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56303&oldid=56283 * A * (+21) 
11:16:58 <esowiki> [[Aj]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56304 * A * (+792) Created page with "'''aj''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:A]].  Twin language: [[Ja]] == Instructions == {| class="wikitable" ! Instruction || Description |- | <code>..."
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12:51:08 <Taneb> @djinn ((((a -> b) -> b) -> b) -> Void) -> Void
12:51:08 <lambdabot> -- f cannot be realized.
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14:54:29 <esowiki> [[Talk:Ja]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56305&oldid=56295 * BoutonIA * (+0) 
14:57:08 <esowiki> [[Talk:Ja]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56306&oldid=56305 * BoutonIA * (+1) 
15:07:58 <esowiki> [[Talk:Aj]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56307 * BoutonIA * (+566) Create the page and add Interpreter
15:10:23 <esowiki> [[User:BoutonIA]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56308&oldid=56023 * BoutonIA * (+70) Add My Interpreters
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