00:03:40 <esowiki> [[A0A0]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56987&oldid=56964 * Stefvanschie * (+105) Add java interpreter
00:06:25 <esowiki> [[A0A0]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56988&oldid=56987 * Stefvanschie * (+7) Edit author name
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01:46:32 <esowiki> [[Telegram]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56989&oldid=56857 * A * (+0) Hmm...Typo
01:47:23 <ais523> − [[Category:Turing[DEL:-:DEL] + [[Category:Turing[INS: :INS]complete]]
01:47:37 * ais523 is reading the wiki in a terminal, for no obvious reason
01:48:02 <ais523> I wonder why <del> and <ins> aren't rendered using strikethrough and underline, like normal? those formats both exist in terminals
01:48:15 <ais523> although I guess w3m renders <i> as underline rather than italic
01:48:32 <ais523> (I can see an argument for rendering <i> as italic and <em> as underlined in a terminal…)
01:51:20 <ais523> it looks like this renderer is messing up uses of 🆒 in tables, too (I don't think it realises it's a double-width character)
01:51:52 <oerjan> hm neither does this terminal
01:52:24 <ais523> all the more reason for me to work on libuncursed, I guess :-(
01:52:48 <ais523> err, I should say full-width character
01:53:12 <ais523> the width of ASCII characters is known as "half-width", technically speaking
01:53:36 <oerjan> . o O ( this character is half empty )
01:57:05 <ais523> I was going to say "most characters are half-width" but then I remembered CJK (which is mostly full-width), which possibly outnumbers the rest of the characters by itself
01:58:05 <ais523> it'd be interesting to see a worldwide frequency table for Unicode codepoints
01:58:14 <ais523> I'm expecting 0x20 to be the most frequently used, but it's just a guess
02:05:24 <esowiki> [[SequenceScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56990&oldid=56969 * A * (+337)
02:06:05 <esowiki> [[Hello++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56991&oldid=56979 * A * (+2)
02:06:18 <esowiki> [[Hello++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56992&oldid=56991 * A * (+2)
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02:49:03 <esowiki> [[Internet Protocol Viewing Language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56993 * A * (+18) Redirected page to [[IPVL]]
02:53:40 <imode> http://hopl.info/showlanguage.prx?exp=333&name=Nonpareil so I'm searching for _any_ kind of documentation on this language, and so far I haven't found anything.
02:54:12 <imode> I can't even find the defining paper anywhere. Bryan Higman is the author.
02:55:32 <esowiki> [[IPVL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56994 * A * (+671) Created page with "IPVL is a programming language which has only 1 command: copy. ==Copy== The command has this format: copy IP Where IP is any computer IP. ==Example(Infinite loop)== Copy 172..."
02:56:41 <esowiki> [[IPVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56995&oldid=56994 * A * (+0)
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03:09:03 <esowiki> [[Feta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56997&oldid=52858 * A * (+279)
03:09:20 <esowiki> [[User:A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56998&oldid=56996 * A * (+9)
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09:22:53 <Fogity> Are error messages valid quines? I just realized some of my error messages are.
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09:43:19 <fizzie> They're usually called "error quines", and are kind of a separate category from proper quines.
09:44:32 <fizzie> There's a few of them on fungot.
09:44:33 <fungot> fizzie: i i read it so i i don't know
09:45:29 <fizzie> It's not part of the source code, it's just the syntax for executing things.
09:46:17 <fizzie> In other words, it's a quine for fungot's Underload interpreter, not a quine for fungot itself.
09:46:17 <fungot> fizzie: what website was that again)) like
09:47:55 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: so it's definitely laughter
09:49:33 <fizzie> You can of course do it through one of the interpreters, but it's pretty boring.
09:49:41 <fizzie> ^ul ((^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn!
09:49:41 <fungot> ^ul ((^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn!
09:49:51 <fizzie> That's a fungot error quine, but...
09:49:52 <fungot> fizzie: do you want to know and
09:50:33 <fizzie> (The error part is entirely superfluous.)
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10:10:09 <Fogity> fizzie: okey, then I don't think there are any proper quines in my language (unless one uses the -p flag to print the return value of the whole program).
10:13:08 <shachaf> Can you predict what fungot will say if you know its RNG state?
10:13:08 <fungot> shachaf: yeah i see i didn't even know it was fine everything's going great i just i just believe when it's our time and
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10:16:43 <fizzie> shachaf: If you have the model files too, sure.
10:17:42 <esowiki> [[What a mess!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57000 * A * (+1337) Created page with "'''What a mess!''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]] which is extremely messy. variables are defined like this: <i>var</i>=<i>value</i>, and the value can..."
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10:35:06 <wob_jonas> It's such a strange experience working in this company. So different from the previous one.
10:35:50 <Taneb> Where are you working?
10:37:05 <wob_jonas> In a company where most of the people are engineers, very few are IT people, and so most use a computer without the basic IT power user skills that I could expect even from the non-programmer people in my previous job.
10:37:38 <wob_jonas> They're good engineers, mind you, but the engineering part is one I don't understand and don't want to learn either, so it's like they're talking in meaningless abbreviations and jargon all the time.
10:38:23 <wob_jonas> And the few people with whom I can talk about IT are always so busy, which is why there were so eager to start to employ me, a person with IT skills, at such a short notice.
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10:39:01 <wob_jonas> My added value is only on the IT side.
10:39:48 <Taneb> So, you've got a good shot of being the Best There Is at What You Do
10:40:28 <wob_jonas> I arrived here because one of my relatives works here in a senior position, so it's important for her to finish some projects, but she's very busy because she's raising a small child, so she asked me a favor, which weighed somewhat into my decision to actually start to work here, at least for some months.
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10:41:39 <wob_jonas> But I probably won't stay here for very long, both because they don't do the creative IT tasks that would really satisfy me in the long run, and because I can't easily socialize with other people if they're doing a totally different job from me.
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10:44:36 <esowiki> [[Logic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57001&oldid=15493 * A * (+21)
10:47:46 <Taneb> That's fair enough
10:48:39 <esowiki> [[Telegram]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57002&oldid=56989 * A * (+29)
10:48:41 <wob_jonas> The environment is otherwise reasonable, so I can stay half a year or even a year, until I get ready.
10:48:58 <esowiki> [[This=That 2.0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57003&oldid=56792 * A * (+29)
10:49:25 <esowiki> [[This=That]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57004&oldid=56781 * A * (+28)
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10:52:30 <wob_jonas> Also, I've got a lot of technical debt in non-work IT project, so I have to "fix" (often redo) the software and hardware of my home computer, the server cbstream runs on, and the software of cbstream itself, somewhat soon, because cbstream is my flagship hobby project because it looks nice in a CV if I can write "more than 20 users for more than 10
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10:52:54 <wob_jonas> Um, probably "over 20 users for over 10 years" or something, but I'll figure out the English phrasing later.
10:53:05 <Taneb> (both phrasings work, I think)
10:53:16 <Taneb> (I'm a native speaker, though, so I might be cheating)
10:56:01 <wob_jonas> Taneb: it's an IRC bot that connects an IRC channel both way to the live chat of Perlmonks, which is a website that incidentally also has a ton of technical debt and is so insecure you could easily steal almost anyone's account if you cared, but its devs are also too busy to fix any of that.
10:56:17 <wob_jonas> There's an old FAQ at http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/cbstream/
10:56:22 <wob_jonas> but the service itself doesn't work right now
10:56:45 <wob_jonas> which is the problem: I don't want to submit the CV when the flagship project I refer to doesn't work, which an interviewer can easily test
10:57:03 <Taneb> You can refer to it in the past tense
11:04:36 <wob_jonas> But it would be more impressive to fix it, and it would still have around 20 users eventually (might take a few months for some people to figure out it's live again).
11:07:29 <Taneb> But "I ran" is almost as impressive as "I run"
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11:08:55 <Taneb> (if you don't get it working)
11:09:14 <Taneb> To me a better reason for wanting to get it working again is "fun"
11:09:23 <Taneb> I guess that's why I'm in this IRC channel
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11:19:03 <wob_jonas> Well sure, I can make it get working by rewriting the whole thing in a totally different way, such as while learning some practical rust-lang, which is also fun.
11:19:13 <wob_jonas> It's sort of a balance. We'll see what happens.
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11:19:33 <wob_jonas> But "more than ten years with only a few months of interruption" also sounds nice on a spoken interview.
11:27:37 <wob_jonas> Only problem is, I'll definitely have heavy second system effect, with the rewrite being overcomplicated
11:27:50 <wob_jonas> The plus side is, I get free testers
11:28:05 <wob_jonas> who complain promptly about any problems
11:28:25 <wob_jonas> it's sort of like when HackEgo went down
11:28:41 <wob_jonas> anyone who quickly made a clone gets free testers
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15:09:02 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57007&oldid=57006 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Truth-machine */
15:10:58 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57008&oldid=57007 * Digital Hunter * (-1) /* Truth-machine */
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15:58:52 <esowiki> [[FizzBuzz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57009&oldid=56971 * Plokmijnuhby * (+532) Further explanation + C example
15:59:21 <esowiki> [[Popular problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57010&oldid=53610 * Plokmijnuhby * (+4)
16:02:30 <fizzie> `8ball Is HackEso a good CV filler?
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20:41:56 <HackEso> smlist 474: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
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