< 1532564130 338594 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily < 1532564241 93893 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia < 1532564862 297659 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532565556 490010 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532565727 305822 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily, hellopia < 1532565855 238893 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsϿirjan! < 1532565886 425955 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532566145 412271 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532566156 229018 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532566722 25219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1532566741 812663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the answer to my question above? < 1532566814 861253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the first lang that used the lengths of arbitrary words to define numbers? > 1532567005 687640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57052&oldid=57047 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10*Cough* < 1532567249 248555 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COSTLY CHICKEN > 1532567344 894126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57053&oldid=57045 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+294) 10Motivation < 1532567465 639750 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i do not, although .Gertrude is a weirder way of making a language based on word lengths < 1532567980 129788 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1532567998 670032 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532569032 202606 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1532569249 239206 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532569429 940706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57054&oldid=57034 5* 03Ais523 5* (+387) 10on a suggestion by rjan > 1532569461 219556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57055&oldid=57053 5* 03Ais523 5* (+245) 10specification updated < 1532569510 196088 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532575589 718133 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532575888 643330 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532576912 670852 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1532577698 460166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57056&oldid=56281 5* 03A 5* (+160) 10/* Normal implementations */ > 1532577777 751683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57057&oldid=57056 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10Oh no, I bragged. < 1532578475 7874 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1532578753 914424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57058&oldid=57057 5* 03A 5* (+84) 10 < 1532578813 720358 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532579107 678725 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532579378 36203 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532581976 987076 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532582265 868227 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532585471 91812 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532586059 757532 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532586433 746022 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532587336 27186 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532587538 16141 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532587632 669323 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532587827 515005 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-llpdmbfzfidrqiwa JOIN :#esoteric > 1532587853 260059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57059 5* 03A 5* (+969) 10Created CC, trying to prove it to be not Turing-complete < 1532589219 35850 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532589290 297535 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532589482 23953 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532591153 440618 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532591289 68906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another half-specified language < 1532591368 318654 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532591877 673129 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532591914 23330 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532592015 429645 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1532593100 505857 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532593290 392147 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532594992 842594 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532595196 300249 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532596007 538256 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532596751 497744 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532596778 161232 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532596801 375526 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-llpdmbfzfidrqiwa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532596884 939522 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532597118 222077 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532598774 581261 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532598934 34960 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532599648 231017 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532599797 506214 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532600005 197590 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532600075 179566 :Guest99!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532600667 892541 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532600840 352512 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532602543 856581 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532602714 19345 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532603239 861865 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532603301 676199 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: lengths of arbitrary words as numbers => I considered that when doing perl golf with source code form restricted to lowercase letters and spaces only, because you can just write length jjjjjjjjj to get the number 9, but it turns out to never worth it < 1532603350 93111 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, actually, it might be worth it < 1532603362 785429 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this table says it's worth for the constants 1 and 3, https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=340164 < 1532603373 229907 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course that might not be optimal < 1532603456 612820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. "The list has been updated." is a pretty useless satement. < 1532603486 982950 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I explain the update below the list < 1532603705 75120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(see below)" < 1532603727 227918 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I found it eventually. < 1532604194 203714 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532604341 222877 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532604407 971644 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532604599 779049 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532605294 521035 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532605387 201586 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532605405 358031 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how when ebay sends email about an order, it truncates the name of the item purchased. The item names are usually long to have as many search keywords as possible, and the truncated part often doesn't contain the actually important information. < 1532605580 169735 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not talking about the email subject. In the subject, truncating makes sense. It's the email body where this bothers me. < 1532605663 958107 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think ebay doesn't understand show slow post is to Hungary from East Asia. They always ask me to give feedback to items that haven't arrived yet. Heck, even some of the expected arrival times that items list are underestimates, which I know and expect items to be later than that, but still. < 1532605703 518652 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think when an item arrives very late, so I don't give feedback until that, ebay punishes me by hiding the item from the list of my purchases so I can't find it anywhere. This only happened once or twice, but still. < 1532605807 507152 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just lie and give feedback before the item arrives, but then I'd be in a lost position in the very rare case when the item doesn't arrive at all. < 1532606133 47502 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ebay is a pain for buyers and sellers. Especially when buying / selling internationally :-( < 1532606222 309723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: heh I read that as "intentionally" at first < 1532606249 658397 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I've occasionally bought stuff unintentionally! < 1532606307 354712 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION buys and sells lots of ZX Spectrum software.
< 1532606315 957555 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532606535 311897 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532606618 458465 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already mentioned the very informative "1.00 HUF = 0.00 CAD" rounded exchange rates on ebay's special paypal interface, < 1532606681 315484 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although these turn out to be irrelevant anyway, because after like a year of using paypal and ebay, I found out that there is a way after all to make paypal charge my bank in the foreign currency instead of converting from HUF itself, < 1532606736 911596 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the interface for that is well hidden and requires additional work for each payment, which I think they've done deliberately because currency conversion fees is the main way Paypal profits from my payments. < 1532606837 448835 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me. I bought a spare mobile phone. I should order the screen protector foil in advance this time, rather than when I already have to use the phone. < 1532607281 76985 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a few bargains on eBay recently. I bought about 70 issues of Scientific American for £10 :-) I like the Computer Recreations column. < 1532607315 720404 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is eBay's currency conversion rate bad? < 1532607338 833696 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ebay doesn't itself handle payment. I usually pay through paypal, but depending on the seller, you can pay in other ways < 1532607349 983804 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: but the paypal currency conversion rate is really bad < 1532607370 52864 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliberately, because that's a good source of income for them < 1532607616 460697 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... Google says 1 GBP is 1.13 EUR. I received a couple of EUR payments yesterday and they used the rate 1.18 EUR -> 1 GBP. < 1532607629 314018 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just under 5% lost in currency conversion. < 1532608243 757839 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532608372 211859 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532608761 487631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 5% seems high. < 1532609046 436354 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: their terms and conditions describe exactly how they compute all the conversions, but you can just check the current exchange rates on paypal and see that they're high too < 1532609083 865525 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bank offers me much better rates when charging my card in a foreign currency, so that's always worth to choose < 1532609127 555518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I've seen, paypal, officially, charges 2.5% over the interbank exchange rate < 1532609163 947420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see contradictory numerical examples, so I'm confused. < 1532609648 2420 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532609759 811319 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's complicated. it depends on the details how much they charge. their TOS is long and complicated. < 1532609811 79733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My latest foreign currency transaction was a 300GBP cash withdrawal that ended up as 345.62EUR; the interbank exchange rate was 1.1276..1.1316 that day, so that amounted to 1.8% to 2.17% loss. < 1532609853 249687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I have no clue how much of that went to the ATM operator) < 1532609895 963830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though, hmm, I did get a receipt stating 300 GBP, no fee.) < 1532609900 219802 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you withdraw cash from paypal? that sounds strange < 1532609912 162281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it was an ATM. < 1532609928 198769 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was a bank transaction < 1532609934 743248 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but withdrawing cash is different < 1532609936 427293 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get an idea what's normal, so I'm looking at other ways of doing the conversion. < 1532609974 212773 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banks have two different exchange rates, one for cash transactions (called "valuta" in Hungarian) and a much better for payments or transfers (called "deviza" in Hungarian) < 1532610010 282380 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you pay the former, plus you probably also pay a fee for the cash withdrawal, and possibly a high fee if you have withdrawn the cash from an ATM abroad < 1532610056 173903 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see from the columns of https://www.otpbank.hu/portal/hu/Arfolyamok/OTP how much cheaper is the "deviza" exchange rate < 1532610076 562923 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's also a third rate for cheques, I didn't know that < 1532610094 171173 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... I probably knew but forgot, because that's almost never relevant here < 1532610111 734793 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever used a bank cheque once in my life, because I'm in Europe < 1532610145 621433 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532610190 311821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my latest GBP credit card charge had a 2.0 to 2.7% loss by the same calculation (and the amount was in the same ballpark) < 1532610212 432968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not checked the terms of service... maybe later. < 1532610260 669314 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but banks always have tricky fees other than currency exchange, so it can be worth to read their terms to figure out the hacks to get cheaper fees for the things you do < 1532610333 830539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I would still say that 5% is high, unless it's for a small amount. < 1532610347 22802 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532610355 399848 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires really strange hacks. for example, if I want to withdraw a larger amount of cash (which is not common), then it's cheaper for me to use the ATM of any bank other than my bank. < 1532610383 958198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1532610471 302070 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the same is true about taxes. there's a strange construction of effectively investing supported combined by the state through taxes and a side company associated with the bank called "egészségpénztár" that I should have used to invest money into for years, but I only found out about it now. < 1532610486 124962 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and telephone and internet charges too < 1532610515 673387 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly all these keep changing their terms a lot so it may require more of your time to figure out the right hack than how much you gain from it < 1532610542 36729 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very often they deliberately obfuscate their terms so that they effectively charge people for not regularly reading them < 1532610633 682378 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point you have to draw a limit for how much reading small letter rules is worth your time < 1532610742 521244 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these days they combine it with hard to use web interfaces to access documents and settings of course < 1532612053 403805 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532612195 353241 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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1532621715 373276 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532622221 666311 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532622794 248124 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1532623411 606790 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532623413 406230 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532623634 802354 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532623855 216085 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532624184 868356 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532624860 540591 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532625358 178941 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532625515 348458 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532625604 830397 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. > 1532626709 306500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57060&oldid=57055 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2069) 10Reversible Brainfuck < 1532627215 439969 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532627415 310760 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532627737 16601 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svfnjqzydtlrivds JOIN :#esoteric < 1532627932 936684 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532628107 245680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532629113 731270 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532629286 88916 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532629398 246100 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532630192 839135 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532630996 309942 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532631185 298515 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532631603 646616 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532632337 684076 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532632858 582431 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532633066 24268 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532634195 881802 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532634774 880051 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532634940 339144 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT 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NICK :MDude < 1532638035 795193 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532638724 100357 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532638934 33364 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532639598 392767 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532640604 756314 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532640774 282287 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532641835 386705 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532642504 958016 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532642727 309069 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532643978 255365 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532644429 453756 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532644643 517011 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532645230 435369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532645281 580493 :mertyildiran!d58e9a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.142.154.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532645664 539985 :mertyildiran!d58e9a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.142.154.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1532646428 378657 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532646558 543528 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532646584 351836 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532647032 92251 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, about a year ago, I wanted to develop a self-replicating and evolving computer program (which equals to a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_organism) but I failed to get a meaningful result. I also couldn't create a competitive environment to judge which program is better. This is the program that I wrote https://github.com/DragonComputer/Swarm < 1532647063 518714 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's not that complicated or polished. But my purpose here to express an idea. < 1532647222 269986 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python here gives me the benefit of overcoming "issue of program brittleness" but at the same time it kills the parallelism and the ability to do stuff with memory in low level. < 1532647356 703201 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guarantee error free new generations but I'm unable to provide the necessary conditions to create a survival challenge. Do you have any idea or advice? < 1532648330 970164 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532648494 5731 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds