< 1530404449 499586 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1530404943 292375 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530405152 823022 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530405648 304886 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1530405806 857876 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530406978 304979 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530407146 313053 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530407847 947160 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530408149 777854 :Naergon!~Naergon@92.40.249.93.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530408905 718473 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530409103 693172 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530409593 880192 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530410409 784154 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530410587 188127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: So I don't think the differential form sense of "dx" is compatible with the Leibniz notation sense. < 1530410600 446618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to figure out how the latter works for a while and I'm still not sure, but I'm pretty sure it's different. < 1530410627 314254 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well are you familiar with integrals of second kind < 1530410637 469899 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :\int ( \vec F, \vec dr ) < 1530410650 11021 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka \int Fx dx + Fy dy + Fz dz ... < 1530410671 214297 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of the stuff < 1530410695 287400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1530410701 388465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not too much. < 1530410834 18101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the context? < 1530410906 467562 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530411040 317456 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530411839 912924 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@unaffiliated/rand0macc3ss JOIN :#esoteric < 1530411900 331644 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, smooth manifolds and analysis on them < 1530411950 756963 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :chapters 3 and 4 just covered tangent and cotangent bundles, and a differential of a function as a cotangent bundle section (covector field) < 1530411985 838651 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoping to understand integration on manifolds one day < 1530412077 603737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too hth < 1530412877 117846 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530412907 243382 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's kind of interesting how there's like a triple contravariance at play when we're considering cotangent spaces < 1530412953 770099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1530412963 494332 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have your manifold M and then there's smooth functions M -> R, and then there's derivations (M -> R) -> R that are tangent vectors < 1530412980 263847 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cotangent vectors are the dual of that, i.e linear functionals of type ((M -> R) -> R) -> R < 1530413036 775515 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530413075 365625 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 'dx' is the tangent covector (linear functional) that maps d/dx (a tangent vector) to 1, and all other basis vectors to 0 < 1530413115 714061 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'd/dx' is a vector that computes the derivative of a function across the local 'x' coordinate < 1530413594 377142 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@unaffiliated/rand0macc3ss QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530413682 303220 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530413691 637968 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1530413691 663947 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@unaffiliated/rand0macc3ss JOIN :#esoteric < 1530413774 842890 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@unaffiliated/rand0macc3ss QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530413803 303362 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530414796 547667 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530414976 292926 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530415184 373471 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530415202 149719 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530415275 858129 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530415615 181588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530416043 301636 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530416084 517534 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1530416084 517573 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@unaffiliated/rand0macc3ss JOIN :#esoteric < 1530416714 382565 :rand0macc3ss!~normaluse@unaffiliated/rand0macc3ss QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530416775 925990 :normaluser!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530416849 412805 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530416938 254187 :normaluser!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1530416971 491338 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( their network access seems a bit random ) < 1530417005 779178 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530417226 874495 :normaluser!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530417270 531420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d/dx is a tangent vector? < 1530417284 448944 :normaluser!~normaluse@c-174-62-254-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530418556 272644 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1530418720 467196 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530418931 716432 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530419418 200216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530419968 767132 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530420052 848708 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1530420242 690676 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full > 1530420477 51225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56203&oldid=55729 5* 03A 5* (+672) 10 > 1530420482 803247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Number Factory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56204&oldid=54353 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+260) 10/* Another Python Interpreter */ new section < 1530420633 914376 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530420662 738811 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56205&oldid=56203 5* 03A 5* (+39) 10/* Stuck */ > 1530420743 283070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56206&oldid=56205 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10/* Stuck */ > 1530420963 994707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56207&oldid=56206 5* 03A 5* (+288) 10/* Aha! */ > 1530421028 323018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56208&oldid=56207 5* 03A 5* (+10) 10/* Step 1 (Overflow Control) */ > 1530421040 788813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56209&oldid=56208 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Step 2 (Array I/O) */ > 1530421056 170938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56210&oldid=56209 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Step 2 (Array I/O)(CMD = 6) */ > 1530421072 22384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56211&oldid=56210 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Step 3 (Combine < and +) */ > 1530421083 867702 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56212&oldid=56211 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Step 4 (Jump command) */ > 1530421100 34242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56213&oldid=56212 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Step 5 (Putting loop on array) */ > 1530421396 949789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56214&oldid=56213 5* 03A 5* (+299) 10/* Step 5 (Putting loop on array) (CMD = 2) */ > 1530421429 783970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56215&oldid=56214 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Step 6 (Aha! Using current cell) (CMD = 1) */ > 1530421483 902511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56216&oldid=56215 5* 03A 5* (+71) 10/* Step 6 (Aha! Using current cell) (CMD = 1) */ > 1530421518 290062 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56217&oldid=56216 5* 03A 5* (-38) 10/* Step 5 (Putting loop on array) (CMD = 2) */ > 1530421539 885227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56218&oldid=56217 5* 03A 5* (+38) 10/* Step 6 (Aha! Using current cell) (CMD = 1) */ > 1530421555 305359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56219&oldid=56218 5* 03A 5* (-67) 10/* Stuck */ > 1530421808 801204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction extension14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56220 5* 03A 5* (+184) 10Created page with "Our goal is to extend the instructions of Brainf*ck as far as possible. Anything that you thought of could be one of the instructions. We'll atart with the standard commands:..." > 1530421847 758640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56221&oldid=55852 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10 > 1530421889 98419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56222&oldid=56221 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1530421905 91759 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction extension14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56223&oldid=56220 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1530421984 978496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56224&oldid=56194 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10/* See also */ > 1530422154 54018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56225 5* 03Asdf 5* (+60) 10Created page with "I allow you to use my inplementation in C++. --[[User:Asdf]]" < 1530422543 278920 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530422571 881006 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit > 1530422636 354290 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56226&oldid=56225 5* 03A 5* (+122) 10 < 1530422636 770181 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they're _so_ two different people. < 1530422719 350607 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1530422847 664593 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Help14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56227&oldid=43623 5* 03A 5* (+214) 10/* When to do stuff */ > 1530423031 779301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Help14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56228&oldid=56227 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-214) 10Undo revision 56227 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) (You know this wiki is small enough that all pages are highly visible, right?) < 1530423085 14795 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have failed at not being sarcastic, despite already closing one editing tab > 1530423296 342796 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56229&oldid=56219 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-31) 10Hierarch those sections > 1530423424 861246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56230&oldid=55571 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10/* Ideas for Names */ > 1530423640 504606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pizza14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56231 5* 03A 5* (+776) 10Created page with "==Overview== '''Pizza''' is a joke programming language created by Nicholas Smith as a glitch to the BBC question about false programming language on 1 July 2018. It contains..." < 1530424515 311533 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:f116:cbfa:741a:7f6b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530426477 691178 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1530426506 104884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56232&oldid=56224 5* 03A 5* (+40) 10/* See also */ > 1530426580 373554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Contest14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56233 5* 03A 5* (+132) 10Created page with "Hi! This is a Brainfuck Contest page. If you want to have a contest here, then go for it! ==Contest 1== Link:[[Brainfuck Contest 1]]" > 1530426772 787950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Contest 114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56234 5* 03A 5* (+314) 10Created page with "Welcome to my test contest! ==Rule== This is a golf contest. Anyone with the shortest code wins. ==Addition program== Indeed, we have to test it. If you have an answer, just g..." > 1530426818 287336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Contest 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56235&oldid=56234 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10 > 1530426939 707039 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Contest14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56236&oldid=56233 5* 03A 5* (+43) 10/* Contest 1 */ > 1530427133 566581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Contest 214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56237 5* 03A 5* (+420) 10Created page with "Welcome to my test contest! ==Rule== This is a golf contest. Anyone with the shortest code wins. ==Addition program== Indeed, we have to test it. If you have an answer, just g..." < 1530427491 304976 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530431310 294087 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530432963 373960 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530433438 740246 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1530434090 783227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BackTurn14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56238 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+940) 10Created page with "[[Category:Languages]][[Category:Unimplemented]][[Category:2018]][[Category:Reversible computing]][[Category:Two-dimensional languages]][[Category:Self-modifying]] BackTurn is..." < 1530434131 56256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please look at the new [[BackTurn]] program language see if it is good or else what other comment/question/complaint. > 1530434396 929983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56239&oldid=56197 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+44) 10Add a comment to the MIX implementation about modifications for binary computers < 1530436637 308214 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530437662 677416 :Naergon!~Naergon@188.29.164.170.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1530439137 180946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1530439899 699701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Array Changer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56240 5* 03A 5* (+17234) 10Created page with "Array Changer is a very simple language. == State Table == {| class="wikitable" ! State || Next State On 0 || Next State On 1 |- | 0x00 || 0x2B || 1530439995 688797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Array Changer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56241&oldid=56240 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1530440018 255135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Array Changer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56242&oldid=56241 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1530440027 439114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Array Changer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56243&oldid=56242 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1530440028 152011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Array Changer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56244&oldid=56243 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1530440388 899357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck---14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56245 5* 03A 5* (+1704) 10Created page with "'''Brainfuck---''' is a language made by [[User:A|User:A]] and is a downgraded version of [[brainfuck--]], that uses only four instructions. == History == Brainfuck-- was c..." > 1530440484 771912 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck---14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56246&oldid=56245 5* 03A 5* (-27) 10 < 1530440729 747755 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 633 seconds < 1530441363 726021 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric > 1530441536 666479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56247 5* 03A 5* (+1144) 10Created page with "'''asd''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:A]] which makes [[123]]'s syntax simpler. == Instructions == The pointer begins at location 0. The progra..." < 1530441812 271912 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Ping timeout: 600 seconds > 1530443193 857713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56248&oldid=56247 5* 03A 5* (-26) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530443258 40216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56249&oldid=56248 5* 03A 5* (-26) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530443280 444424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56250&oldid=56249 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530443504 289018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56251&oldid=56250 5* 03A 5* (+32) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530443590 278414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56252&oldid=56251 5* 03A 5* (-39) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530443778 390211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56253&oldid=56252 5* 03A 5* (-13) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530443840 425341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56254&oldid=56253 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530444519 919566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56255&oldid=56254 5* 03A 5* (-32) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530444552 383892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56256&oldid=56255 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Instructions */ < 1530444571 493790 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric > 1530444829 356508 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56257&oldid=56256 5* 03A 5* (-274) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530444925 465886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56258&oldid=56257 5* 03A 5* (-49) 10/* Examples */ > 1530444937 322747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56259&oldid=56258 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530445133 118385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56260&oldid=56259 5* 03A 5* (+47) 10/* Instructions */ < 1530445164 616568 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble > 1530445419 912740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56261&oldid=56260 5* 03A 5* (-175) 10 > 1530445703 851305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56262 5* 03A 5* (+464) 10Created page with "'''ja''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by A. == Instructions == {| class="wikitable" ! Instruction || Description |- | j || jump to cell numbe..." > 1530445731 843115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56263&oldid=56044 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Survey */ > 1530445819 601550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56264&oldid=56263 5* 03A 5* (+52) 10/* Survey */ > 1530445829 279604 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56265&oldid=56264 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Survey */ > 1530446505 153188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56266&oldid=56262 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530446551 921491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56267&oldid=56266 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530446958 730699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56268&oldid=56267 5* 03A 5* (+88) 10/* Example (Infinite Loop) */ > 1530447007 854671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56269&oldid=56268 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10 > 1530447160 519556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56270&oldid=56269 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Instructions */ > 1530447235 269146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56271&oldid=56270 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* Example (Infinite Loop) */ < 1530447262 701317 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530447335 465682 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1530447339 461191 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker > 1530448620 287805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ja14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56272 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+578) 10Create the page and add Interpreter > 1530448866 729631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ja14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56273&oldid=56272 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+93) 10 > 1530449026 281045 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ja14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56274&oldid=56273 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (-70) 10 > 1530449132 125641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56275&oldid=56229 5* 03A 5* (-8) 10/* Iamcalledbob's attempt */ < 1530450032 900209 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530453778 477676 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530453859 728727 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1530453976 27778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56276&oldid=56274 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+11) 10 < 1530455473 338867 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1530456580 183019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1530457184 905254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FuckPack14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56277 5* 03A 5* (+124) 10Created page with "FuckPack is Brainfuck, but with these other commands: ==Jump Commands== J Jump to the cell id numbered as the current bit." > 1530457210 242960 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56278&oldid=54927 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10 > 1530457270 853692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FuckPack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56279&oldid=56277 5* 03A 5* (+73) 10/* Jump Commands */ > 1530457288 827671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56280&oldid=56278 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10 < 1530457411 850796 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530457443 368860 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1530457445 573716 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530458649 790654 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530460456 194933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530460978 450025 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1530461646 736847 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530462791 896812 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1530462818 331113 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530462966 690605 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1530462969 364034 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530463137 321252 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530465614 690390 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530466180 808959 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530467037 196708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530467372 286439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530467391 819826 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fcebzwntdghfbzry JOIN :#esoteric < 1530468959 403142 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-191-16-233.range86-191.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1530470429 262746 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1530471367 689140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56281&oldid=56147 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-9) 10Repair broken list (and exaggeration) < 1530471816 846662 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530471837 725426 :Naergon!~Naergon@188.29.164.170.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530473815 195154 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530475795 186802 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530475971 278337 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530476481 980347 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530477448 680823 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1530477633 861707 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-191-16-233.range86-191.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530477678 749369 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530477759 174826 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1530477905 15448 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530478457 725382 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530480905 818788 :Naergon_!~Naergon@188.29.164.230.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1530480957 672831 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530482807 296946 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1530483154 448161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Contest 114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56282&oldid=56235 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+26) 10/* Output */ < 1530484613 779835 :Naergon_!~Naergon@188.29.164.230.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530485968 147779 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fcebzwntdghfbzry QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530486002 863826 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1530486019 416846 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530486840 977024 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530487018 111294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1530488167 49492 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530488929 363996 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530489104 294758 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530489268 462175 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1530489390 292320 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530489461 380445 :Naergon!~Naergon@188.29.164.251.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1530490593 290546 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530490626 657633 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1530490852 202636 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530491170 49483 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1530491343 490412 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1530491465 415142 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530491735 374102 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530491778 797581 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates it when he forgets to change the zoom level back before opening a heap of tabs < 1530492043 827316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use a privileged JavaScript code to affect multiple tabs at once? < 1530492231 77505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They now added window functions into SQLite (although the version with window functions is not yet released), although, it says can only be used with SELECT, and, I wanted to use window functions with UPDATE, too. > 1530492723 93704 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56283&oldid=56271 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+279) 10Not convinced yet > 1530492879 350835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56284&oldid=56275 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+7) 10These really shouldn't all be top level sections. < 1530492940 853669 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specification of ja is a bit unclear on j, i think. < 1530495340 393194 :Naergon!~Naergon@188.29.164.251.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1530495598 64332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56285&oldid=56265 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-86) 10It's not clearly TC yet > 1530496647 605048 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BackTurn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56286&oldid=56238 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+29) 10 < 1530496892 931488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is unclear to me too < 1530496906 53802 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530497935 8893 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530498225 863396 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1530498672 155360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BackTurn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56287&oldid=56286 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+612) 10 < 1530498940 398216 :Suika!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530498981 268685 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530499020 521430 :Suika!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin NICK :erkin < 1530499759 613009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BackTurn level 1 should be able to sufficient for BackFlip-equivalent because I have managed to make flipping mirrors from two rotators, and fixed mirrors from two fixed mirrors, making tiled of 3x3 blocks in both cases. However, which pattern is needed depends on what else in the same row/column. < 1530499984 68366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you? < 1530500642 871292 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what about arrows? < 1530500844 329865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the mention in [[Talk:BackFlip]] of why arrows are unnecessary. < 1530500894 669784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Having flipping mirrors and any one of: symbols always rebounding, symbols with a direction which always rebounds, fixed mirrors, arrows, gives you all of the others. (showing that you can get arrows is the difficult part, shown by ais523 above)" < 1530501176 333126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A symbol that always rebounds can also be made using the fixed mirrors if the flipping mirrors are made using rotators as I mentioned) < 1530501221 368565 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530501500 361185 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530502091 672793 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1530502256 531696 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i even wrote that. < 1530502433 306242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you did write that, so hopefully you should know. < 1530502514 137169 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forgot. < 1530502525 294982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1530503657 610425 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530504448 682195 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1530504501 152204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FuckPack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56288&oldid=56279 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10 > 1530504524 645631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56289&oldid=56280 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10 < 1530504717 691154 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1530504729 268453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FuckPack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56290&oldid=56288 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10 > 1530504792 399879 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56291&oldid=56289 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10 < 1530505310 433370 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns about the hero shrew spine from freefall > 1530505589 713394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck.NET14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56292 5* 03A 5* (+1322) 10Created page with "==Language overview== Brainfuck.NET operates on an array of memory cells, also referred to as the [[tape]], each initially set to zero. There is a [[pointer]], initially point..." > 1530505714 668470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56293&oldid=56291 5* 03A 5* (+89) 10 > 1530505743 337253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck.NET14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56294&oldid=56292 5* 03A 5* (+37) 10/* Language overview */ > 1530506001 759107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56295&oldid=56276 5* 03Ais523 5* (+767) 10/* The definition doesn't match the example */ new section < 1530506038 667847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530506102 59783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a huge suspicion that User:Asdf and User:A are the same person and pretending to be two different people < 1530506238 156968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am annoyed at the number of near-identical languages that they're pumping out < 1530506248 371891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the general lack of understanding of Turing-completeness < 1530506448 537009 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i also suspect this. < 1530506502 991670 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Ja could be interesting, if clarified. < 1530506538 518481 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter doesn't match itself, although someone else (i think) made that. < 1530506727 153834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look someone else wrote the interpreter (which also look like not a very good job). < 1530506777 359919 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the interpreter takes (although buggily) a different interpretation of j though, which is actually more promising since the code and data won't always be the same point. < 1530506782 948081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ja is basically the I/D machine with control flow, I think, just the control flow doesnt actualy work < 1530506831 11972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same person (assuming it's the same person) created a version of the I/D machine with output but the output is the same every time round the main loop… < 1530506833 341709 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1530507110 537891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they didn't do a very good job with that either. < 1530507217 999017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I've seen them do a very good job with anything yet :-( < 1530507314 403941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa, NetHack is adding statuscolors? < 1530507347 996212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is adding"? some version of that has been in since 3.6 < 1530507362 703861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 3.6.0's version didn't really work < 1530507364 971084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6.1's is more usable < 1530507398 67590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, looks like it's being reimplemented, not using my patch. < 1530507629 196938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You wrote how to make arrows with BackFlip if you do not have arrows but do have the symbol that always rebounds, and also flipping mirrors. I also figured how to make flipping mirrors out of rotators in BackTurn, although which pattern you need depends on what "parity" the next pattern in all four directions has. Therefore, I think you can make it BackFlip-equivalent, isn't it? Or did I do something wrong? < 1530507648 291160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you wrote the original statuscolors? < 1530507733 225204 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530507742 796742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't looked at that in detail to see if it works, but I expect it to work; "rotator that reverses direction when it's hit" is quite similar to a flipping mirror (it's not the same but it's usable for many of the same purposes) < 1530507848 478110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Back in the day. < 1530507889 993466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason it was reimplemented was that it was tty-specific < 1530507897 244458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the devteam wanted a version that could work with any windowport < 1530507950 230198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I wasn't on the devteam at the time so I don't know for certain) < 1530508012 185397 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530508260 922067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The only way I figured to get it to work is to group rotators together and to use different paths for different directions (which is why you need different patterns in different cases, so that the edges match up properly), but maybe there is a better way I don't know. < 1530509313 864492 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530510119 360569 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530512451 494058 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530512741 553527 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530513525 229055 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1530514352 179327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/canada.day < 1530514360 357072 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530514625 348806 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530514724 978958 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where are the answers? < 1530514851 92928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1530514911 394981 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530515035 765543 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530515320 901849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1530515782 169384 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530515846 709715 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530516840 288411 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530516893 957790 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530517249 310036 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1530517286 571396 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1530517561 495032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56296 5* 03A 5* (+910) 10Created page with "'''X:''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by User:A([[user:A]]) which further minimizes [[123]]. == Instructions == The pointer begins at location 0. The pro..." < 1530520447 710184 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530521128 190314 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530524172 355098 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1530525280 870780 :edoardo!974295b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.66.149.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530525320 495810 :edoardo!974295b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.66.149.181 QUIT :Client Quit < 1530526063 412815 :u0_a268!~Scrooble@c-98-209-129-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530526163 204775 :u0_a268!~Scrooble@c-98-209-129-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :Scrooble < 1530526187 976153 :Scrooble!~Scrooble@c-98-209-129-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1530527707 45009 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56297&oldid=56226 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1430) 10/* Turing-completeness */ new section > 1530527747 194320 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56298&oldid=56296 5* 03Ais523 5* (-19) 10computational class fix (this is less powerful than an FSM) > 1530527910 172406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56299&oldid=56298 5* 03Ais523 5* (-43) 10actually, these categories seem to have been copied from [[123]], e.g. this language probably wasn't created the same year as that one; trim them down to only the categories supported by the article > 1530529097 750945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56300&oldid=56297 5* 03A 5* (+95) 10/* Turing-completeness */ > 1530529193 319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56301&oldid=56300 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10/* Turing-completeness */ < 1530529306 200877 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1530529790 36841 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56302&oldid=56285 5* 03A 5* (+37) 10/* Survey */ > 1530529971 532324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56303&oldid=56283 5* 03A 5* (+21) 10 > 1530530218 560803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aj14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56304 5* 03A 5* (+792) 10Created page with "'''aj''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:A]]. Twin language: [[Ja]] == Instructions == {| class="wikitable" ! Instruction || Description |- | ..." < 1530533221 241801 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530533278 806229 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530535061 218524 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1530535868 148580 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((((a -> b) -> b) -> b) -> Void) -> Void < 1530535868 284831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized. < 1530536453 891395 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530538992 828705 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wxlwbqecqwzwikif JOIN :#esoteric > 1530543269 286565 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ja14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56305&oldid=56295 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+0) 10 > 1530543428 105247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ja14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56306&oldid=56305 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+1) 10 > 1530544078 751904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Aj14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56307 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+566) 10Create the page and add Interpreter > 1530544223 563063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BoutonIA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56308&oldid=56023 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+70) 10Add My Interpreters < 1530545002 659310 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530545191 162207 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530545653 391569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BSoD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56309&oldid=56038 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+25) 10Add Category:Output only < 1530547093 462148 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530547253 787804 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530547585 688319 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1530549013 243639 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530549138 7364 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530550912 743663 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530551087 779768 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530552815 517154 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530553019 7619 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530554649 165500 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530554850 14337 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530556557 271595 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530556763 19433 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530558466 167724 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530558635 20550 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530559471 75255 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1530559820 264017 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530559831 274156 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530560301 816209 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530560501 675260 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530561750 26420 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wxlwbqecqwzwikif QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530562158 624219 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530562181 786957 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530562400 801167 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1530563779 825150 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56310&oldid=56301 5* 03Ais523 5* (+678) 10reply < 1530564156 828968 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530564290 865442 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530566041 931031 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530566201 7580 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530567792 288708 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530567893 689059 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530568066 11824 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530568354 170355 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-190-54-130.range86-190.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1530569392 179081 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530569808 785019 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530569961 276328 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530570036 43096 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530571657 292718 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530571889 705534 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530573568 792785 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530573780 321137 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530575464 675645 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530575634 687806 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:3ccc:744d:ed01:df65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530575672 696696 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530575991 751406 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moonythehuman < 1530576004 448089 :moonythehuman!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moonytheidentity < 1530577149 490584 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1530577342 938167 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530577544 825627 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530578922 318278 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530579230 549027 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530579310 359697 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530579416 718912 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530579617 659498 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1530579702 647259 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530580828 636846 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530580932 442282 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1530581131 848980 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530581298 279128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aj14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56311&oldid=56304 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-296) 10This section was copied from [[ja]] and doesn't apply here. (There seems to be no unbounded memory.) < 1530581319 502626 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530581385 797181 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no useful memory. < 1530581467 667939 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric > 1530582580 611223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56312&oldid=56310 5* 03A 5* (+75) 10/* Turing-completeness */ > 1530582764 376301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56313&oldid=56312 5* 03A 5* (+60) 10/* Turing-completeness */ < 1530583019 785170 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530583060 930745 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530583215 312295 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1530583429 523517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56314&oldid=56302 5* 03A 5* (+44) 10/* Survey */ > 1530583481 699512 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56315&oldid=56314 5* 03A 5* (-44) 10/* Survey */ > 1530583654 8898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56316&oldid=56315 5* 03A 5* (+43) 10/* Survey */ > 1530583716 992524 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56317&oldid=56316 5* 03A 5* (+70) 10/* Survey */ > 1530584077 140374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56318&oldid=56317 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* Survey */ UBFIM probably only works because of the NOPs (incidentally, I'm not 100% sure this is TC, anyone have a proof?) < 1530584641 235688 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1530584786 571511 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: cannot cast variable type to function type: variable `variable` is not callable. < 1530584930 363463 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530585141 305171 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530585939 96013 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in my original interpreter, I neglected to set the max replacement to '1'. meaning, my interpreter would simultaneously replace every single matching pattern in the string. < 1530585974 853875 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made things a little faster with large global rules. < 1530585986 20625 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e ones without much context to them. < 1530585998 424113 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I find it unrequired. < 1530586245 740188 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of beautiful watching the slow version of my sort-reversesort program. watching the workers stretch themselves over the string and regulate themselves. < 1530586256 180927 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530586827 458236 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530587015 329631 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530587617 869850 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530587983 658178 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're some really small representations of state tables for turing-equivalent automata? TMs are required to specify at least the current state, the read symbol, the target state, the new symbol, and the head movement. < 1530588027 249759 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if there's an alternative representation that's potentially smaller than that, either for TMs or turing-equivalent automata. < 1530588051 792698 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "smaller" < 1530588072 763090 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "state table" < 1530588095 446153 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: less elements to fully specify. i.e, I could combine the head movement and the written symbol into an 'action', so I'd only have to specify the current state, the read symbol, the next state, and the action. < 1530588145 599392 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. you know, a state table. a lookup table for state transitions based on a read symbol. < 1530588161 857880 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the state table for, say, BF? < 1530588165 670770 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fractran < 1530588203 925725 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just like with TMs, it depends on the machine... but they largely follow instruction-based representations. < 1530588211 53932 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those can be translated into states pretty trivially. < 1530588225 29073 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :one state for each line.. < 1530588285 632547 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, rather, each instruction. < 1530588347 625530 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you are just going to bump into kolmogorov complexity < 1530588402 363636 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... I don't think I am. there have been formulations (i.e the one that BF is based off of) that "compress" the state table into either a series of finite instructions or what I mentioned earlier. < 1530588694 60105 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what I mean is the constant-difference between two representations in TMs < 1530588711 89933 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530588716 503287 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you account for differences in encoding the actual machine (e.g. wasted bits in ASCII characters) by translating everything into the same encoding < 1530588727 184951 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you run into the conversion constant < 1530588773 232559 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I'm not aiming for the "smallest", just alternative versions that aren't like what turing specified. < 1530588791 380907 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can paraphrase it as I don't like 5-tuples. :P < 1530588883 553556 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh :P < 1530588890 33241 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :a struct with 5 elements, then :P < 1530588933 187763 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really get away from that sort of thing if you drill down to the foundations < 1530588941 905528 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530588944 759303 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes up everywhere < 1530588953 635997 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can, you just need to admit to an action set and a reduced tape alphabet. < 1530588974 874303 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fix some things as standard < 1530588985 296329 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the states are numbers with 0 as the starting state < 1530589004 550133 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1530589033 824842 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tape starts at all 0s, and is also numbers, and you define the number of states and symbols implicitly rather than explicitly, say < 1530589047 125240 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you make them explicit, but only a number indicating how many rather than a set) < 1530589066 88254 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your transition function can just be that, a function < 1530589076 895706 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which ends up being a relation if you break it down, but ignore that :P < 1530590351 758447 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have any stupid instruction ideas for a language? It could be anything. < 1530590379 33935 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction in what sense? like machine instructions? < 1530590395 69801 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530590452 165854 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :all values loaded from registers in addressing aren't used from one register, but the XOR of two registers, which rotate every time you try to load a value in a fixed pattern < 1530590481 890658 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there aren't convenient instructions like immediates that would let you simplify everything trivially < 1530590523 539886 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some string of text that when placed on a line, does something. < 1530590549 391051 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it needs a time/day of week that it will work on, and not at any other time. < 1530590578 111238 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need dumb ideas. < 1530590584 770212 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ran out of them. < 1530590642 337251 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530590830 30530 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530591028 381655 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it needs to be computable. < 1530591711 946907 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm I'm tired < 1530591714 15753 :HereToAnnoy!4a7b172b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.123.23.43 PART :#esoteric < 1530592475 803537 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530592676 682639 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530593557 105735 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand, automata are nice and easy constructs for modern computers, because rewriting requires pattern matching. on the other hand, rewriting is such an elegant concept that it's hard to abandon. < 1530594372 358486 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530594593 59993 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1530595370 521580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:U ndefined14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56319&oldid=56116 5* 03U ndefined 5* (-2) 10 < 1530595723 757937 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not work hth > 1530595874 676799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BackTurn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56320&oldid=56287 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+92) 10 < 1530596116 280191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented BackTurn in order to try to make a variant of BackFlip that can be reversed just by reversing the direction of program flow and not otherwise altering the program or anything else. < 1530596224 45702 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530596430 14761 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530596571 61879 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1530596589 223798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever achieved kokushimusou tenhou? (If you have even played mahjong) < 1530596618 640155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have never done, nor have I calculated the probability of doing so.) < 1530596713 341026 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never played mahjong < 1530598092 693265 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530598285 317752 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530599105 365276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the "R" that ais523 mentioned for avoid arrows in BackFlip in those patterns is only being hit from one way (it looks like it to me), then I think such a limited rebound can also be made from two different rotators in BackTurn like flipping mirrors can be (but this time they are orthogonally rather than diagonally adjacent), so then even with level 0 it should be possible, I think? < 1530599929 250735 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case you can make one that can be hit from all ways from four one in each direction < 1530599935 667199 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*four ones < 1530600021 353054 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530600121 345073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1530600204 684271 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1530600316 583401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BackTurn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56321&oldid=56320 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+529) 10 < 1530600499 491360 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1530600672 900389 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530601167 658838 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1530601180 5710 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1530601187 399040 :moonytheidentity!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1530601206 278364 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1530601712 768412 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530601955 162280 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530602090 789167 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1530603660 601385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56322 5* 03A 5* (+1234) 10Created page with "==How to shorten your Brainfck code== ===Use Compiler flaws=== Indeed, most compilers have compiler flaws. Like the Brainfuck Visualizer, when a '-' appears and the mamory is..." > 1530603680 415553 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56323&oldid=56322 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code(<=4) */ > 1530603691 257366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56324&oldid=56323 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10/* Use the visualizer */ > 1530603778 61931 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56325&oldid=56324 5* 03A 5* (+47) 10/* Use the visualizer */ < 1530603852 168791 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530603873 103008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56326&oldid=56325 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* How to shorten your Brainfck code */ < 1530604027 304112 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1530604150 186377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56327&oldid=56326 5* 03A 5* (+355) 10/* How to shorten your Brainfck code */ > 1530604319 509422 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56328&oldid=56327 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ > 1530604358 892119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56329&oldid=56328 5* 03A 5* (-67) 10/* How to shorten your Brainfck code(To win a golf contest) */ > 1530604431 19003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56330&oldid=56329 5* 03A 5* (+60) 10/* =Give up */ > 1530605071 772491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56331&oldid=56330 5* 03A 5* (+197) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ < 1530605146 187219 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1530605178 656787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56332&oldid=56331 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Use Compiler flaws */ > 1530605200 315602 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56333&oldid=56332 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ < 1530605715 7564 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530605924 781559 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1530606035 491747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56334&oldid=56333 5* 03A 5* (+433) 10 > 1530606049 717871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56335&oldid=56334 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* The classic multiplication */ > 1530606118 866710 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56336&oldid=56335 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* The classic multiplication */ < 1530606273 368698 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530606739 490115 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530607635 187388 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530607814 41169 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1530609419 532009 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56337&oldid=52431 5* 03A 5* (+61) 10/* Perfect Powers */ < 1530609524 306289 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530609611 627269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56338&oldid=54213 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10/* Input a decimal number */ < 1530609702 12329 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1530609752 193777 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56339&oldid=56338 5* 03A 5* (-3) 10/* Powers */ > 1530609796 71077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56340&oldid=56337 5* 03A 5* (-61) 10/* Perfect Powers */ < 1530611405 252673 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530611630 677963 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530613272 315106 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530613482 6436 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530615374 692936 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1530616299 755208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56341&oldid=56336 5* 03A 5* (+36) 10/* The classic multiplication */ < 1530617439 110200 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530617499 716352 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1530618530 49377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56342&oldid=56341 5* 03A 5* (+137) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ < 1530618554 846585 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tyibhmnhafzohwaa JOIN :#esoteric > 1530618647 340338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56343&oldid=56342 5* 03A 5* (+61) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ > 1530619044 213210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56344&oldid=56343 5* 03A 5* (+202) 10/* The classic multiplication */ > 1530619191 260324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56345&oldid=56344 5* 03A 5* (+903) 10/* The PHP Golfer's advice */ > 1530619206 805871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56346&oldid=56345 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10/* Understand the Brainfuck Code */ > 1530619378 260917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56347&oldid=56346 5* 03A 5* (+68) 10/* Understand the Brainfuck Commads */ > 1530619525 679105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56348&oldid=56347 5* 03A 5* (+57) 10/* The PHP Golfer's advice */ < 1530619686 317861 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530619850 423134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56349&oldid=56348 5* 03A 5* (+387) 10/* Understand the Brainfuck Commads */ > 1530620013 278884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56350&oldid=56349 5* 03A 5* (+191) 10/* Don't Repeat Yourself(DRY) */ > 1530620076 299730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56351&oldid=56350 5* 03A 5* (+60) 10 > 1530620171 6076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56352&oldid=56351 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10/* Don't Repeat Yourself(DRY) */ > 1530620240 617271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56353&oldid=56352 5* 03A 5* (+50) 10/* The classic multiplication */ > 1530620340 786286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56354&oldid=56353 5* 03A 5* (+53) 10/* The classic multiplication */ > 1530620560 846331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56355&oldid=56354 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10/* The classic multiplication */ < 1530621554 285301 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530621770 807617 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530622856 633967 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530623513 664434 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530623691 287410 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1530624321 653169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56356&oldid=56355 5* 03A 5* (+265) 10/* Don't Repeat Yourself(DRY) */ < 1530624500 329081 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530624562 223895 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530624618 559641 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1530624723 460527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56357&oldid=56356 5* 03A 5* (+126) 10/* Big width loops */ < 1530624740 460415 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone think of an actual use for a millibyte unit? < 1530625106 432283 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1530625174 807521 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56358&oldid=56232 5* 03A 5* (+125) 10/* Examples */ < 1530625383 590086 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530625436 646624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56359&oldid=56358 5* 03A 5* (+108) 10/* Examples */ < 1530625553 704181 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530626333 6273 :ambrus!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530626439 967744 :ambrus!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am home free at last! After 18 days in this fucking madhouse, all but the last five days on closed ward, and the first approximately three days (I seriously don't know the exact number) so much sedated that I have total amnesia about it. < 1530626463 196474 :ambrus!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a club for #esoteric users who have been in psychiatric closed ward? < 1530626476 633888 :ambrus!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even a `*list ? < 1530626931 260550 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530627306 806677 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530627472 653712 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530627501 71082 :ambrus!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you know what the worst part of it was? The beds, on the open ward. I could barely get any sleep on them, even though I had to take sleeping pills and I removed the matress and put it on the ground to decrease the torture a bit. < 1530627557 731734 :ambrus!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current theory is that these beds were designed to allow double-blind testing of sleeping medication on healthy individuals. If the people taking your pills can sleep for eight hours on those beds, then your sleeping medication is effective. < 1530627913 910368 :ambrus!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 NICK :wob_jonas < 1530627919 154866 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, wrong nick again < 1530628966 68160 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530629014 231458 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1530629165 701595 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530629375 700693 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530631051 813718 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530631215 325350 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1530632423 285639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Digital Hunter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56360&oldid=55245 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+25) 10/* Stuff */ < 1530632928 686559 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530633110 139771 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530633680 453615 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1530633988 759802 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: guess what < 1530634009 722893 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am officially tasked with fixing the build system < 1530634032 245520 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: how are you doing < 1530634229 907332 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this software needs an exorcism, not a "bug fix" < 1530634238 465459 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is my court chaplain < 1530634262 711955 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: your court chaplain is in seclusion due to an outbreak of slow fever < 1530634291 90405 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the code, ooi? < 1530634407 872939 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's a really convoluted series of makefiles and jamfiles and shell scripts and perl scripts and python scripts and scripts written in a company-internal language, all calling each other < 1530634430 114158 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "You are in a maze of twisty little scripts, all different" < 1530634525 609698 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and some of the shell scripts are bash and others are csh < 1530634552 247485 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god < 1530634726 880642 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start rewriting it in zsh and fish and then stop < 1530634736 885075 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ooh, I found some Lua! < 1530634760 833458 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any CMake? < 1530634772 433468 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far no < 1530634783 857773 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking at the output in tail-f < 1530634907 366339 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now it's for some reason started building a project that ought to be entirely separate from this one < 1530635099 813331 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ouch. Taneb: tired < 1530635251 980157 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530635426 18069 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530635483 814702 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the company-intetrnal language isn't SAP, right? < 1530635883 264072 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no < 1530635909 15760 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's techinically open-source. it's called Salmon. nobody uses it but us afaik < 1530635989 100932 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: have you found the BANCStar components yet? < 1530635994 20631 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/11-11-021 < 1530636041 340000 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530636311 998204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mostly just used a shell script at the top of a C source code file to compile the program; that is suitable if the program is only one file. More complicated programs work differently; compiling Free Hero Mesh does that but also has JavaScript codes, as well as another shell script to call all of them to compile them if needed due to changed. < 1530636542 914545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as convoluted as what you mention above, but it does use multiple programming languages. (Anyways, C doesn't have its own build scripting) < 1530636683 265529 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1530636732 405656 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried to relabel it as a "domain-specific language for describing building that particular project" instead of an in-house language? < 1530636788 806684 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: https://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/11-11-021 <-- does this sound like a man who can take criticism < 1530636890 552208 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530637118 284942 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530637227 286113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably should fix that program if it is a mess like that; but, first you have to figure out, what are each of those files doing? < 1530637319 305217 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530637323 537853 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, have you found the case where the build non-deterministically fails because a later build stage requires a dependency that isn't ready yet because the build system doesn't know there's a dependency? < 1530637405 205667 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it nearly always works anyway because the default order happens to be just right for building it, so you only get the error if you modify the right source files < 1530637479 261037 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-069.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1530637512 811963 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, the standard practice right now is that make clean, in addition to deleting things, "touch" es a certain file to ensure certain things get built < 1530637573 268653 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like I'm talking out of experience. I deny having seen that build system at my previous job. < 1530637790 259220 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-069.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530637927 921840 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were only two bugs in that job that I committed and was really embarrassed afterwards. One was multiplying two nearly commutating small square matrices in the wrong direction, and one is making an inter-thread queue work as a stack instead so the code started to do the wrong thing only when the load was high enough that there was more < 1530637928 71695 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric : than one element in the queue. < 1530638980 117845 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530639203 770150 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530640080 366228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 470 < 1530640081 423001 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 470: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale > 1530640124 193722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HappyFakeBoulder 5* 10New user account < 1530640217 190535 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has http://pbfcomics.com/comics/youll-be-ok/ been listed yet? < 1530640255 856900 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus we also got a bunch of abstruse geese while I was away, and a bobadventures < 1530640284 167503 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Cale pbflisted it < 1530640315 323551 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is really sad given that I did have a (mental) breakdown < 1530640366 292785 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530640367 933567 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20180625.html < 1530640368 646980 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bobadventureslist: not found < 1530640475 398991 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530640794 453079 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`aglist 600,601,602,603,604,605,606 < 1530640795 98517 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aglist 600,601,602,603,604,605,606: b_jonas shachaf < 1530640859 388697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a point to listing regularly-updating things. < 1530640885 755495 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530640890 994927 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it doesn't seem regular still < 1530640893 713437 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1530640904 546169 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's frequent enough, but not on any regular schedule < 1530640914 814433 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/regular sc/predictable sc/ > 1530640932 869994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56361&oldid=56200 5* 03HappyFakeBoulder 5* (+342) 10Added myself to the introduction page. < 1530640939 486513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't sed support transducers? < 1530641078 796708 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530641302 433663 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric > 1530641370 83008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03HappyFakeBoulder 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:HappyFakeBoulder Picture.png10]]" > 1530641396 865572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HappyFakeBoulder14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56363 5* 03HappyFakeBoulder 5* (+76) 10Created and added some things. < 1530643071 577834 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530643218 102290 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1530643501 150248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Minin/modern.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56364&oldid=53818 5* 03Minin 5* (-649) 10Blanked the page < 1530645398 821036 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530645535 366326 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530646017 729742 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Ping timeout: 600 seconds < 1530646049 688752 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1530646061 206650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1530646061 496409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1530646061 496508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530646350 567007 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530646452 442084 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530647214 400468 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1530647266 401988 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530648354 972438 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1530648639 639103 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530649571 418782 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530649659 639765 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530650317 239998 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1530651329 426276 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530652720 851264 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1530653147 641621 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1530653665 326297 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530656187 494174 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530656581 301090 :u0_a268!~Scrooble@c-98-209-129-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530656582 45380 :u0_a268!~Scrooble@c-98-209-129-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1530656886 721544 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530659806 655152 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1530659875 612824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530660236 5058 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530660395 824965 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1530661931 317700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Prof apex 5* 10New user account < 1530662196 61793 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530662314 13173 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530662314 69887 :imode-desktop!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530662413 292105 :imode-desktop!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530663118 302271 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530663378 489841 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1530663673 788043 :mrrmx!~mrrmx@pool-108-26-204-216.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530664465 544732 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tyibhmnhafzohwaa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530667003 722521 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: welcome back! > 1530668087 528514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56365&oldid=56339 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-62) 10This doesn't follow the page conventions - x isn't a cell label, but apparently a hardcoded number, so this doesn't really count as an algorithm. < 1530668299 537945 :mrrmx!~mrrmx@pool-108-26-204-216.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530668423 945870 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> shachaf: I am officially tasked with fixing the build system <-- it was inevitable. < 1530668526 246190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how are you fixing it < 1530669783 220112 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530670066 183869 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1530670945 791538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dd14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56366 5* 03A 5* (+43) 10Created page with "==dd== ==Syntax== dd print "dd" in console." < 1530671781 933045 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1530672684 163774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56367&oldid=55792 5* 03A 5* (+253) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530672720 946832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56368&oldid=56367 5* 03A 5* (-15) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530673013 295949 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1530673014 937489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56369&oldid=56368 5* 03A 5* (+192) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530673167 424867 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56370&oldid=56369 5* 03A 5* (+148) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530673308 293801 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530673933 705407 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.>+<-[-[>]<++<-]>]!0 < 1530673938 313815 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ...out of time! < 1530673942 621839 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.>+<-[-[>]<++<-]>]!1 < 1530673942 985983 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530673976 19304 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to lack the termination part... > 1530673996 541414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56371&oldid=56370 5* 03A 5* (-426) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530674006 737429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56372&oldid=56371 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530674097 665978 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56373&oldid=56372 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530674214 364935 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56374&oldid=56373 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530674319 27743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56375&oldid=56374 5* 03A 5* (-6) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530674924 761827 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56376&oldid=56375 5* 03A 5* (+93) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530675132 355677 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56377&oldid=56376 5* 03A 5* (-136) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530675207 52409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56378&oldid=56377 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530676137 312797 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's a transducer, and why doesn't ex support transliterations (the equivalent of sed's y command) > 1530676196 73244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56379&oldid=56378 5* 03A 5* (+94) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530676334 615431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56380&oldid=56379 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530676974 719971 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1530677022 999532 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1530677394 985101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: A transducer is a state machine where the edges are labeled with input and output characters < 1530677413 312060 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1530677566 639652 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530677692 432741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1530677773 724836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56381&oldid=56380 5* 03A 5* (-91) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530677833 336855 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1530677884 188926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56382&oldid=56381 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530677918 155641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56383&oldid=56382 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530678355 570856 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56384&oldid=56383 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530678659 688597 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.->+<[-->++<]>]!0 < 1530678664 101208 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ...out of time! < 1530678666 480468 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.->+<[-->++<]>]!1 < 1530678666 695513 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530678731 913854 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's starting to get good at it... > 1530678757 360832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56385&oldid=56384 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530678758 285219 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't like the nontermination, but the original version also seems to have that problem... < 1530678818 275737 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.-[-->++<]>+]!0 < 1530678822 738906 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ...out of time! < 1530678824 606108 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.-[-->++<]>+]!1 < 1530678824 811661 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530678835 763579 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's just too slow for fungot < 1530678836 86583 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( ( okay okay)) possibly will be shown on court t._v. all day laughter and i thought < 1530679205 255475 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracing in vim, looks like it indeed loops infinitely. < 1530679486 232581 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530679790 225000 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530679835 893612 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah ok < 1530680020 539508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: A few days ago I described a thing I don't know how to do with sed. < 1530680030 724865 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd was very easy to understand today. < 1530680235 709913 :shamsham!~test26667@cwb.access-186.216.239.19.pektelecom.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1530680248 455101 :shamsham!~test26667@cwb.access-186.216.239.19.pektelecom.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1530680393 789932 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1530680805 884727 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and can't you just do a transducer thing by just adding a character marking the I/O head, with input on the right of it and output on the left, and then s/// and t all the transducing stuff? < 1530680959 238957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure? < 1530680973 14544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get home I can tell you about my example < 1530681029 307765 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530681442 570378 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output of a transducer isn't necessarily deterministic as function of the input hth < 1530683893 673654 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, there was a conversation I wanted to continue < 1530683996 630878 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" IMO Unicode should have used different codepoints for the two Turkish Is than for the Latin I" => I was thinking about this, and I now think that it either can't work, or there'd be a cop-out where some of those six characters rarely actually get used. < 1530684403 186247 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, assume there's no cop-out, namely: English and Turkish are still widely used languages, pre-digital English and pre-digital Turkish texts exclusively use the current casing rules and this isn't close to changing when computers get invented, and ASCII still only contains the two English I letters. < 1530684596 349579 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now suppose you have a typical computer loser who's typing a Turkish text in his Word documents on his Windows computer (or whatever tech is dominant around the 2000s) and prints them or sends them in email. If the turkish I are really encoded as four non-ASCII characters and these encodings are used, then this user will type those four turkish I i < 1530684596 498942 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n the word document, right? < 1530684645 618903 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this will happen quasi-automatically, buy him just installing a Turkish localized Windows XP and MS Office and doing no customizations on his computer. < 1530684742 337574 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then suppose that this loser decides to try to become a power user, and learn a bit of programming. He finds some dodgy C++ or Java tutorials on the internet or something, then types int main() { printf("hello, world\n"); return 0; } < 1530684955 586258 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My question is, at what point in the technology pipeline do those letter i in int and main and printf get converted to ASCII letter i, or otherwise understood by the compiler that the keyword means the same? How will this happen in such a way that it causes less of a PITA than the current situation for non-Turkish power users who are creating the t < 1530684955 723307 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ools involved, like the operating system and input method and the compiler and the command-line interpreter and the version control system?? < 1530685059 872682 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know that conversation I'm continuing was back in more than two days, but I'm sorry, I was seriously in a hospital. > 1530685825 775337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56386&oldid=56385 5* 03A 5* (+227) 10 > 1530685909 154282 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56387&oldid=56386 5* 03A 5* (+17) 10 > 1530687654 140041 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56388&oldid=56387 5* 03A 5* (+174) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530687684 56704 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56389&oldid=56388 5* 03A 5* (+11) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530687698 942358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56390&oldid=56389 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530688240 48448 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1530689283 756814 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530693011 255957 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530694650 973001 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgdq < 1530694652 322209 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGDQ is Summer Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity every summer, see http://gamesdonequick.com and https://gamesdonequick.com/tracker/events/ < 1530696244 329598 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530699887 383120 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530701963 70848 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FLATTENED CHICKEN < 1530707211 288729 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530709231 254978 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530710250 800913 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrrydiwaxesxiddf JOIN :#esoteric < 1530711668 292846 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530711989 640866 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client > 1530712146 1412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56391&oldid=56390 5* 03Ais523 5* (-521) 10rv; I'm not convinced this content adds to the article (also, being able to truth-machine falls well short of Turing-completeness; it *is* decent evidence that what you're dealing with is at least an FSM, but probably doesn't prove that) < 1530712289 773707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530712299 908842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Shorten_your_Brainfuck_code has got to be a troll, right? < 1530712304 232485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's amusing < 1530712394 772346 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1530712482 309494 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530712482 370051 :wob_jonas!b03f183d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.61 QUIT :Client Quit < 1530713345 395455 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530714689 543294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530714702 213707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530715873 423957 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530715894 936615 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please logread near < 1530715898 844395 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-07-04.html#lnb < 1530715994 318677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe Unicode should have a separate codepoint for dot-varying-on-case i too then < 1530716009 643991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least when it's ambiguous, you know it's ambiguous, and there are steps you can take to clarify < 1530716039 342137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode - < 1530716040 91247 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] < 1530716051 158197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be any worse than the hyphen-minus situation < 1530716060 187328 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you ever finish writing up your magic-is-TC thing? < 1530716061 591091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is also sometimes used as a dash!) < 1530716077 83791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you see the two pages I posted to the channel? I haven't written more than that < 1530716082 350870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got stuck on the esolang side of things < 1530716105 729355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, one issue is that we have to explain how we know that undecidable programs exist but we can't prove that any given program is undecidable < 1530716112 871778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus we can't give an example < 1530716120 35990 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a few weeks ago? Yeah, I saw them and with the help of a couple of firends who play magic I more or less understood it < 1530716123 279081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another issue is that it'd be nice to give an example of a program that isn't known to be decidable < 1530716141 959146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most programs like that are rather complex, especially when translated into The Waterfall Model < 1530716144 912154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be nice to have a simpler one < 1530716163 724116 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I actually think the right method for the turkish i is just telling the language of each part of the text in the higher-level markup language, such as with a HTML lang tag. that's what we do for every language-dependent thing ideally: unified han characters so the viewer can choose the font, unified cyrillic letters so the browser can use t < 1530716163 967999 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he right font for italic, text search, conventions of quoting, etc < 1530716167 847335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to find the simplest possible universal minsky machine, really (or at least one that's simple, even if it isn't proven simplest) < 1530716193 41110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably Unicode would have been better off if each language had its own block of characters, even at the cost of repetition < 1530716215 520038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a big argument wrt Chinese and Japanese rendering (which aren't the same, and yet Unicode doesn't distinguish between Chinese and Japanese characters) < 1530716249 297137 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, by the way, I also disappeared for 18 days and haven't read your M:tG thing yet because of that < 1530716291 356117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did your friends who play magic agree with the explanation of Omni-Tell? It's always a bit awkward doing deck techs for a deck you've never played < 1530716345 919527 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they found it reasonable, I think < 1530716353 234396 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think I now sort of understand one reason why there are so many brainfuck-alikes < 1530716387 546934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most people (asdf/a being an exception) make derivatives only of languages they think they understand? < 1530716435 776791 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a SECOND esolang joke in my head that could be easily done as "Brainfuck with ", and I must resist doing that. For the first such idea, luckily I can put the joke in Consumer society, but I haven't figured out the brainfuckless context for the second joke yet. < 1530716489 570782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some jokes only work when you're working from a base everyone already understands < 1530716494 335470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Forte, for example < 1530716503 842909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case starting from practical languages works even better than starting from BF < 1530716534 207291 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arguably Unicode would have been better off if each language had its own block of characters, even at the cost of repetition" => wait what? what "each language"? you mean even spanish and portugese would have different letters from each other? norwegian and danish? < 1530716644 470363 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for Chinese and Taiwanese and Japanese kanji, I heared rumours that the Han unification was done back when people thought Unicode would only have a space of 2**16 code points, and they were afraid of running out of that if they didn't do Han unification. < 1530716655 241017 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how true that is < 1530716694 996607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: they'd be related, as in Unicode would know that they were "the same letter" and font systems would render them the same way by default, but in different blocks in case different, e.g., collation rules are needed < 1530716711 12059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could merge languages which had identical casing and collation and rendering and grapheme boundaries, but that's fairly rare < 1530716732 724898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compare Hungarian "gy" to English "gy", for example, they're an identical sequence of letters but they're a unit in Hungarian and not in English < 1530716749 906200 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Dutch IJ? < 1530716759 287253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard tо imagine Unicοde without duplicates. < 1530716764 444228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not as familiar with Dutch but it wouldn't surprise me < 1530716783 582897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are other examples, e.g. oe in German is actually equivalent to ö < 1530716790 669835 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Forte is not just a joke though. I'm thinking of actual jokes, ones that would be categorized joke language on esolang if they were brainfuck-based. and my second joke will probably be like that, only using some base other than brainfuck, if I ever write it up (this is a joke that needs some research by me before I can tell it) < 1530716817 792030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode оοo < 1530716818 581520 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] [U+03BF GREEK SMALL LETTER OMICRON] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] < 1530716864 741594 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just talked about the Hungarian sz/cs/ny/gy and I disagree, they're still two letters in Hungarian. http://www.madore.org/cgi-bin/comment.pl/showcomments?href=http%3a%2f%2fwww.madore.org%2f~david%2fweblog%2f2018-06.html%23d.2018-06-11.2525#comment-24610 < 1530716898 624441 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the status of your omnitell writeup? is there an updated version from those two draft pages you showed before I disappeared? < 1530716916 102139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I haven't changed it < 1530716929 750939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my argument is that gy collate together in Hungarian and thus they're different from English, where they don't < 1530716934 823275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you disagree with that < 1530716961 434497 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't disagree with that, but I still say that they're not one letters just because they collate together < 1530717014 825116 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: my understanding of ais523's argument is because they collate different, they are different letters to the English gy, or could be treated as such < 1530717023 322542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I treat them as a unit, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're the same letter < 1530717038 362068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"qu" is pretty much a unit in English, apart from in a few loanwords, although that has a different nature < 1530717057 958193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: right, you should be able to collate text without parsing things like HTML tags that specify the language < 1530717066 939548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you should be able to collate it without assuming that it's all written in a single language < 1530717095 632353 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my oxford dictionary ignores spaces when sorting headword, so eg. the order of headwords at one point I randomly opened the dictionary is "folk rock; folk song; folksy; folk tale; folkweave; folky". would you make the "k " a single character just so that collation works? < 1530717155 277215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in that case it's the space that has an unusal collation property (i.e. not collating at all) < 1530717166 39491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some similar situations, e.g. hyphens don't collate in many languages/contexts < 1530717169 984441 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh wait, are you saying that they should be a separate character because you want to collate words differently based on their language in a single list? because that never works < 1530717175 589274 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't do that < 1530717196 536428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that it never works, but I don't see why it couldn't work if people tried to make it work < 1530717206 829355 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we choose one collation rule and collate all words with that rule in the list, even if a minority of words is from a different language < 1530717256 414225 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be impractical, because you can't expect people reading the list to know all the collation rules for all languages < 1530717271 243729 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even paper library catalogs, which are pretty heavy on rules, don't do that < 1530717303 509757 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, admittedly some do < 1530717402 81732 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you recall the example from TAOCP about sorting a library catalog where leading article words in any languageare ignored for collation iff they're in nominative case < 1530717448 525215 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case the card itself displays the title by either moving the article to the back or by underlining the keyword to sort by with a red pen < 1530717538 164974 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess you could make the case for just Hungarian too that you may need some way to distinguish between an accidental z-s combination (as in "egészség" and "szemeteszsák") from a real letter zs, and unicode doesn't help you there, < 1530717569 567525 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have used manual exception lists for that, and some TeX macros, though the letter mostly for hyphenation rather than collation < 1530717575 6462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in France it's apparently common to capitalise the sort key in lists of names < 1530717617 834653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: "szs" in Hungarian is like ". ." in Homespring (except that it probably doesn't cause a time paradox) < 1530717702 224441 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we do that too to show which of your personal names are the family name, because social conventions dictate that the person addressing you must know that, people use both western and Hungarian order for their name on English CVs and the like, and many words are both common family names and male given names in Hungarian < 1530717723 896629 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my family name all uppercased in my current CV for example < 1530717732 768979 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that CV being written in English < 1530717733 606205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in England it can be hard to interact with people who you know are from a culture which uses the opposite order for names < 1530717744 372129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they might have swapped the names for our benefit or might not, so we don't know which name is which < 1530717797 333572 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's even worse with Japenese and Vietnamese names, because most people don't know enough of their culture to even make an educated guess of which part of the name is the family name < 1530717842 922120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some video games which were translated from Japanese to English but proper nouns were left the same < 1530717853 298604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after playing a few of those you can often make a good guess at recognising Japanese personal names < 1530717949 935991 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's the special problem of guessing if a name is an Icelandic name or a Western name with a family name that sounds like an Icelandic patronym < 1530717981 421646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most cases that doesn't matter, though < 1530718022 753357 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? it matters for the same social conventions < 1530718032 480767 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and collation too) < 1530718216 61648 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. if you're in a hospital and want to refer to a specific doctor who's treated you, you shall call them their family name plus a rank in some order, but never call them their given name plus a title (which depends on their rank and gender) if they have a family name because that would be insulting. there's a workaround of using their full name, b < 1530718216 195592 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ut that's costly. < 1530718367 729028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean a family name and patronym are used in much the same contexts < 1530718378 368531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's often a bad idea to try to work out what to call someone from their name < 1530718394 98563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in England it's quite common for the name that someone prefers to be called by not to match /any/ of their official names < 1530718399 938496 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessing the right title is also tricky by the way if you haven't yet gotten a paper receipt listing their name. I think that's why some hospital departments have a prominent list of doctors working their with their ranks (and sometimes photos) < 1530718458 201393 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's true only for Russian patronyms, not for Icelandic patronyms < 1530718468 336934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1530718477 777412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use title+patronym, right < 1530718501 825972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that said, I don't think you'd use title+forename either < 1530718585 542405 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a forename? < 1530718667 308792 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for icelandic names, you use the given name (plus often a title before or after) in contexts where you'd use a family name (plus title) with a western or Hungarian name, and you use the given name plus patronym for disambiguation contexts when you'd use the full name for a western or Hungarian name < 1530718732 236370 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only it's impossible to guess if the name is actually Icelandic, or it's westernized, similar to how it's hard to guess which name is the family name in some Hungarian names that might be swapped in a western context < 1530718779 296211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forename" is "given name" in cultures which put that first < 1530718787 16702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's put first in Iceland, isn't it? < 1530718814 934078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but over here in England we're given multiple names and refuse to use any of them :-P < 1530718817 212034 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some people with Icelandic names do westernise their names in some contexts < 1530718826 655007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got annoyed when my ISP refused to call me "Alex"… < 1530718860 360456 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see. I didn't know that word. I thought it was just called a given name or a christian name, or just plain "name" on forms that have a "surname" field < 1530718881 699546 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know there was a special word for given names that come first < 1530718969 930378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's by far the most common in British English when we're talking about our own culture, "given name" has only become popular fairly recently because it's more culture-independent < 1530719016 422087 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wasn't it "first name" and "last name" back when they just assumed western order? < 1530719038 13444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're talking to children, perhaps; "forename" and "surname" was more common < 1530719050 145684 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1530719111 918412 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, some nicknames are completely unguessable, in both ways, as in, you can't guess the nickname from the name, and you can't guess the name from a short set of names on a list from just the nickname < 1530719125 406425 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the nickname is not even related to the full name < 1530719170 925280 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in IRL contexts as opposed to IRC or other internet-based forums where people deliberately obfuscate their real name < 1530719287 15337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've introduced myself to people as callforjudgement in real life… < 1530719335 728112 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are even people on the internet who insist on two different nicknames for different contexts < 1530719359 372334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like me < 1530719374 973011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no particular reason to have consistent nicknames unless you want people to recognise you cross-context < 1530719383 915452 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1530719418 705862 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by the callforjudgement though, I assumed it was just a fallback irc nick for when you have multiple connections < 1530719428 244453 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you just always used ais523 < 1530719454 72708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the contexts where you know me, I indeed use ais523 as a primary nick; I set callforjudgement as a secondary nick here to keep it reserved < 1530719462 261048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I use it on some other sites < 1530719482 310348 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1530719484 702665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement < 1530719486 591772 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1530719500 350511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although recently my connection failures haven't been jumping over to it so I'd better reset the timeout! < 1530719564 606418 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know David Madore uses his real name and two different unrelated nicknames actively, plus had at least one other nickname in the past, but he doesn't hide the connections and I don't really understand how he chooses between which name he uses < 1530719583 201030 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the obvious part where he uses his full name in formal academic contexts < 1530719584 234674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use callforjudgement for gaming < 1530719589 26227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ais523 for programming < 1530719612 481585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, there's enough of an overlap WRT TASing/speedrunning that I ended up having to use ais523 for that as there'd be an inconsistency no matter what I chose < 1530719651 842453 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use b_jonas_ and b_jonas__ as IRC fallbacks because those are sane defaults, plus I used b_jonas-2 at some point < 1530719685 747207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ais523_ specifically for when I'm using someone else's computer < 1530719694 304822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more underscores indicate sufficiently more ridiculous setups < 1530719707 74293 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1530719746 989957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used ais523___ once, I can't remember the exact setup but I think IE6 might have been involved (years after it had become a complete joke and wasn't current even among IE versions) < 1530719770 209489 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for me, on some forums I've been calling myself "jonas" for so long that switching to "b_jonas" would be confusing to readers now, but "jonas" isn't unambiguous enough (there's even a forum with a "Jonas" unrelated to me), so I'm stuck and don't know what to do < 1530719773 426499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't mean "sufficiently" < 1530719778 786515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out which word I did mean though < 1530719802 390260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commensurably, perhaps? < 1530719824 223458 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"incrementally"? < 1530719840 946224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1530719915 310344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, this serves as yet another trivial disproof of the sapir-whorf hypothesis; I find that disproofs like this come up once every few years, so while rare, they should be common enough for everyone to be aware of them if they've been paying attention to it for a while) < 1530720075 706594 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when I read English, such as on IRC, I usually think in English now unless I'm very tired. (I'm often ashamed about that.) In that case, when I don't know the right word in English, I imagine sort of a buzz replacing the word, and still finish the sentence in my head and understand it. Is that another disproof? < 1530720095 240392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1530720107 968973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any situation where you think a word without knowing what the word is should be a disproof < 1530720141 90164 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1530720216 811127 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was thinking about the turkish i situation, I spent an inordinate amount of time thinking of workarounds (cop-outs) involving time travel by the way. < 1530720289 248135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, somehow I'm reminded of Feather < 1530720299 865268 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest method with time-travel would of course to convince Kemal Attatürk to not use the turkish i, or just kill or incapacitate him and hope the next language reformer won't come up with such a ridiculous thing. < 1530720401 606848 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more tricky method is to bribe or threaten Noah Webster to use the turkish i in English texts, then hope that catches on and that with the US being a major superpower back then and inventing computers, everyone else in the word would use the turkish casing rule. < 1530720472 128354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Gutenberg would make a better person to bribe < 1530720479 71073 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, you'd make everyone use İ as the capital of i, so much that it becomes an ASCII letter, and I becomes an obscure glyph that you only see in old books. < 1530720487 17400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you affect most European languages, not just English < 1530720503 491055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the printing press was mostly responsible for, e.g., þ dying out from English) < 1530720633 544515 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but wasn't Gutenberg specifically trying to make printed books look as similar to manuscript codexes at his time, even to the extent of making the typesetting technology more difficult by having different variants of types for the same letter so they look just like in manuscripts? < 1530720716 66745 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're right that there's a risk that some European languages get stuck using the old conventions even if English changes. < 1530720882 713086 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An even bigger overkill cop-out would be to somehow use time-travel to make the US less powerful, have Turkey become a superpower, and have them pioneer telegraphs so that the two different pairs of i are already there in all character encodings, even baudot. But I think that wouldn't work, because then they'd never have changed away from arabic sc < 1530720882 894235 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ript. < 1530721060 626179 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the time they switched to latin, printed books in latin script and non-turkish languages would have been too influential. < 1530721150 593434 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making Vietnam a superpower would also not work for the same reason. < 1530721529 448151 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my safest bet for a time-travel fix is still just bribing Kemal Atatürk, https://www.xkcd.com/567/ style < 1530721595 607088 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would still leave you with a Vietnamese dotted I, but that's a lesser problem, it's only comparable to the cyrillic italic letter differences. < 1530722336 193372 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1530722341 466752 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also for some reason I was thinking a lot that we should reform Hungarian spelling so that it's easier to guess the pronunciation of transliterated words and loanwords. In particular, the semi-vowel u should be properly distinguished from the vowel u, such as by writing them as w or ŭ. The most common word where that appears is aŭtó, and all greek- < 1530722341 600295 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originating compounds that start by aŭto. < 1530722398 222557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in English, au is the same as aw, but also the same as or < 1530722408 245943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in most dialects < 1530722419 807721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think of au as being a vowel of its own, rather than a combination of a+u < 1530722440 737428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ou/ow is similar < 1530722454 905929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ou has a number of possible pronounciations < 1530722474 229083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out, southern, bought… < 1530722490 757952 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, we should transliterate chi from ancient greek as ch instead of kh, because "kh" is a very common combination to appear randomly in inflected or suffixed words, so much that such occurrences dwarf the number of "kh" used as chi. < 1530722591 136702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ch and kh are pronounced differently < 1530722595 501836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very differently < 1530722603 827318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people use kh to give a better impression of how it sounds < 1530722641 19862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see a decent argument for getting rid of the letter c altogether, and using k or s instead, but that means you need to find some other way to write ch (as it's neither a kh nor an sh) < 1530723059 394612 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm talking about ancient greek, not modern greek, and you can't use k or s instead because those are already used for kappa and sigma resp < 1530723094 850362 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean in English or French? < 1530723101 753069 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there the "ch" would be a bad choice < 1530723104 45088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English, yes < 1530723152 148940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, what's the difference between chi, kappa, and kappa followed by an aspirated vowel? < 1530723153 369448 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about Hungarian, where "ch" is mostly used for a sound similar to the ancient greek chi in loanwords from German or Latin. < 1530723192 185630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1530723194 349061 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about Hungarian, where "ch" is mostly used for a sound similar to the ancient greek chi in loanwords from German or Latin. < 1530723222 786513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, "ch" is something different yet again in Scottish < 1530723235 693601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like Welsh ll than English ch/sh/kh < 1530723258 647213 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ch" also sometimes appears as an accidental combination, like "kh", but less often, because "c" is a rare letter, and even rarer at the end of morphemes < 1530723324 261400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, "c" at the end of a word in English is (as far as I can tell) always hard, and nearly always spelled as "k" instead < 1530723333 795730 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the "kh" situation annoys me because in Russian (and most other languages not using the latin script) we transliterate the same sound with "h", so we have three different spellings for one sound for no reason. < 1530723358 436475 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, again I'm saying "ch" appears as random combination in Hungarian rarely < 1530723367 611299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1530723374 600294 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English doesn't have any inflections that start with "h" < 1530723380 186779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with Hungarian is that it gets a lot of random letter combinations < 1530723407 33967 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Hungarian has "-hez" for nouns and the suffix "-het" which are both quite common < 1530723414 867799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can form compound words where the second part of the compound starts with h < 1530723433 633653 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that can happen < 1530723502 423349 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general, "k" and "h" have swapped frequency in Hungarian vs English. English has a lot of "h" (because of the word "the") and few "k", whereas Hungarian has a lot of "k" (mostly because of conjugation and declination) but very few "h" (and even some mute "h") < 1530723616 496393 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, by the way, the second or third reason why Dvorak keyboard layout for Hungarian is a bad idea, the first reason being that "á" and "é" are too common. < 1530723831 983148 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second reason is that "sz" is very common. we missed the opportunity around 1900 to use a single letter for "sz", and it would be very hard to fix now. < 1530723882 373935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian sz is English s, and Hungarian s is English… sh? < 1530723897 188204 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, correct < 1530723906 649582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should be using a single letter for sh :-D < 1530723927 114224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use j, nobody will miss it :-D < 1530723941 952787 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst part is that Hungarian "c" used to be spelled as "cz", so there was an opening when we could have respelled "sz" as "c". < 1530723959 374565 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hungarian "c" is a totally rare letter, rarer even than "cs" < 1530723982 298146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come to think of it, the language name Clojure uses j in a position that makes an sh sound in the word "closure"…) < 1530724023 595017 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: really? I think it's a voiced soft j sound in "closure", as in, the "measure" sound < 1530724029 95460 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check my dict < 1530724108 768027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're probably right < 1530724119 778896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many accents don't distinguish those sounds clearly < 1530724143 641475 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dict agrees with me < 1530724553 809501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1530724627 820698 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrrydiwaxesxiddf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530724702 630252 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best outcome IMO would have been to spell Hungarian "sz" as "s", Hungarian "s" as "c", Hungarian "cs" as "č" or "ć", Hungarian "zs" as "ž" or "ź", Hungarian "c" as "š" or "ś", and Hungarian "z" still as "z"; < 1530724739 984996 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for that you'd have to time travel back at least 600 years, as opposed to just the simple partial fix of spelling "sz" as "c". < 1530725319 385772 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another alternative that would perhaps work is to spell Hungarian with a variant of the modern Ukranian alphabet, but with acute accent for marking long vowels. < 1530725378 314881 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's even more impossible historically, because the modern cyrillic alphabets are way too new. < 1530725468 727503 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-546.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1530725737 171928 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the ŭ respelling could conceivably happen if the Academy decided to decree its use and made the old spelling acceptible but depreciated. < 1530725789 252979 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me. I have a question. < 1530725916 600702 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Kalevala, "Kaukomieli", the alternate name for Lemminkejnen, is it supposed to be four syllables or five syllables? It appears as both in Rácz István's translation, and I'm not sure which one is the error. < 1530726070 211011 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few other cases where this printing of the translation has 9-syllable half-lines (rather than the expected 8-syllable ones), apparently by mistake, but the "Kaukomieli" part is very annoying because I can't tell which of at least two lines containing it are mistakes, the ones where it's used as four syllable or the ones where it's used < 1530726070 354640 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as five syllable. < 1530726134 614235 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking this here because there are people who speak Finnish. < 1530726140 376050 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530726351 79743 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably check the older edition for some of those mistaken lines by the way. < 1530726405 130602 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also want to try the other translations, because I'm not quite satisfied with Rácz István's, due to the very high standards in poetry translation that I must compare him. < 1530726911 435342 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530727079 681765 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 (who isn't here, I know): in the Omni-tell thing, if the original tournament deck includes 8 Wishes, then how can you tell that the deck would still be tourey-viable if you modify the sideboard? < 1530727382 392133 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-546.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1530727397 190520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1530727397 687805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1530727397 687850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530727809 730723 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530728790 727622 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530728846 910417 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, once ais523 gets his writeup on the M:tG TC proof in a good state, we'll seriously have to consider M:tG-without-Rotlung-Reanimator as an esolang of whose computational abilities we care about. < 1530730232 43655 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530730533 865271 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530730803 362872 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530730923 733241 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1530730964 23505 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530730967 688773 :Suika!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530731011 10356 :Suika!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530731013 230937 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1530731033 402689 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530732608 464394 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530732865 321356 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530734623 41698 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530735018 446733 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, src < 1530735018 730729 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: um in the evening and stuff see we can't leave the classroom now < 1530735028 459328 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's fungot's SRC again? :P < 1530735028 683171 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: over memorial day sigh like service that was on that plane < 1530735072 526038 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, github < 1530735072 796565 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: yeah i i always wonder if if it's made known or if it's boring or you know you < 1530735076 533329 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, source < 1530735076 732474 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: ( ( sigh you know what this is christie)) doesn't make any sense < 1530735082 540239 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies < 1530735156 535565 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+src < 1530735160 515156 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+help < 1530735162 657950 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ping < 1530735170 681391 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1530735209 161467 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1530735209 287032 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1530735215 694817 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: ^ < 1530735423 724971 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1530735579 659196 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1530736024 171372 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and by the way, I'll be afk starting tomorrow for four days, for a real world travel event, so don't be surprised if I'm not here.. < 1530736285 66938 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in "Magic: the Gathering is Undecidable: The Setup", you say "Most notably, this gives us arbitrarily many casts of Force of Will with which we can counter anything counterable our opponent tries to do, arguably enough for a win in most gamestates as it is." < 1530736338 36219 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't seem right, because the combo you mention can't be done instant speed, and the opponent could cast more spells than you have Force of Wills < 1530736388 381273 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only repeat that combo at sorcery speed < 1530736562 95226 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We'll hold some Forces of Will back in case the opponent has any free spells in their hand; as far as I can tell, every spell that can be cast for free can be countered. So the only potential problems would be uncounterable spells powered by something like Simian Spirit Guide, which the opponent is unlikely to have." => no, another problem would b < 1530736562 275888 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e abilities on cards in their hand, such as channel, but those usually cost mana too > 1530737388 860394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Language 5* 10New user account > 1530737543 458235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56392&oldid=56361 5* 03Language 5* (+175) 10/* Introductions */ < 1530738225 78188 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the setup of the clean opponent state, what do you do if the opponent has a Sigarda, Host of Herons and a Seedborn Muse and two Amoeboid changelings each enchanted by a Diplomatic Immunity, and turn their Sigarda and Muse changelings in each of your upkeeps? < 1530738275 331431 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ghoul won't work on them because all four creatures have all creature types, and you can't target anything. < 1530738318 186024 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530738625 186768 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530738735 962306 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, the Sigarda doesn't even need a Diplomatic Immunity, it has hexproof built in. < 1530738846 687442 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, what do you do if the opponent has a Sigarda, Host of Herons that got turned into typeless by a use of Animate Artifact and < 1530738851 230638 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore that < 1530738904 179108 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take the original question: a Sigarda, Host of Herons, a Seedborn Muse, and two Amoeboid Changelings, three of those protected by Diplomatic Immunity < 1530739027 66011 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit this is pretty unlikely in a real game < 1530739358 911033 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530740091 239267 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :""szs" in Hungarian is like ". ." in Homespring" => yes, which is why I started spelling "szemeteszsák" (the only non-rare word where it doesn't resolve to "sz"+"s") as "szemetes-zsák" these days, even though that's technically not allowed by the Academy rules. < 1530741787 697005 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could still Trickbind the use of the Amoeboid < 1530743256 301657 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1530743624 792911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56393 5* 03Language 5* (+3113) 10Created language about a wiki. > 1530743906 711564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HereToAnnoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56394&oldid=55710 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+67) 10linked to a language about a wiki < 1530744083 686067 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1530744137 202193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56395&oldid=56393 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+74) 10spec fix of a language about a wiki < 1530745882 541183 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he could have three Amoeboids < 1530746084 194953 :wob_jonas!b03f189a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.154 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1530746148 570420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530747340 189902 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530747941 379346 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530748090 170599 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530748279 703544 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530748557 669712 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530750659 979051 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530750945 951512 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530753906 489999 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1530753942 60958 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530754473 593597 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.-[-->++<]>+]!0 < 1530754478 29952 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ...out of time! < 1530754480 430535 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.-[-->++<]>+]!1 < 1530754480 651556 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... > 1530754503 149409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56396&oldid=56391 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+11) 10/* brainfuck */ Replace by the reverted version by [[User:A]], which was shorter and simpler. > 1530755258 616534 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Alphuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56397&oldid=40427 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2) 10Fix incorrect categorization of talk page < 1530755598 181698 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530755640 397596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56398&oldid=56395 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-61) 10Improve formatting, also remove a non-existent category which this language is currently nowhere near the low, low bar of reaching. < 1530756109 627868 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1530756384 314496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Solo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56399 5* 03A 5* (+186) 10Created page with "==Syntax== {| class="wikitable" |- | s || scan a number in console |- | o || output the number |- | l || loop the next byte forever if the accumuator is not 0 |} ==Truth-mach..." > 1530756509 513177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56400&oldid=56396 5* 03A 5* (+21) 10/* Core SNUSP */ < 1530757121 352577 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530757393 300154 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1530757454 472016 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56401 5* 03A 5* (+675) 10Created page with "==is== {| class="wikitable" |- | i || increment the current byte |- | s || set the whole array(It is all set to 0)(If it repeats forever, then it will overflow) into the poin..." < 1530757511 674478 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530757544 196805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56402&oldid=56400 5* 03A 5* (+151) 10/* IRP */ > 1530757605 238264 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56403&oldid=56402 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* =Is */ < 1530757724 691538 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530758569 523382 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_ < 1530758572 890062 :oerjan_!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1530758634 186046 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my altnick hadn't been used since january... < 1530758871 628215 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I can't figure out which word I did mean though <-- progressively hth < 1530758871 685961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1530759529 545231 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530759635 525385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fake-machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56404 5* 03A 5* (+530) 10Created page with "A '''Fake-machine''' is a simple program type, inspired by [[User:Keymaker|Keymaker]]'s Truth-machine to be a program that is easy, most of the time, to implement in a languag..." < 1530759651 269358 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1530759787 19480 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fake-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56405&oldid=56404 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Implementations */ > 1530760003 67179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fake-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56406&oldid=56405 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10 < 1530760004 716018 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas The best outcome IMO would have been to spell Hungarian [...] <-- you seem to be reinventing czech spelling except for swapping s and c... < 1530760004 774005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. > 1530760027 345530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fake-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56407&oldid=56406 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10 < 1530760187 623663 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1530761585 683391 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530761828 547999 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530763329 751270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530763346 354185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.-[-->++<]>+]!0 < 1530763350 785217 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ...out of time! < 1530763353 950435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.-[-->++<]>+]!1 < 1530763354 150486 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530763413 226695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see how it's meant to work > 1530763442 224390 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56408&oldid=56403 5* 03Ais523 5* (-11) 10Undo revision 56396 by [[Special:Contributions/Oerjan|Oerjan]] ([[User talk:Oerjan|talk]]) the version by [[User:A]] isn't correct; it goes into an infinite loop on 0 rather than terminating > 1530763526 778560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56409&oldid=56408 5* 03Ais523 5* (-152) 10undo the [[is]] program; you can't specify an entirely different program for input 0 and input 1, that doesn't test conditionals < 1530763751 293492 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530763801 483180 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1530763955 787126 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530764301 609465 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the original also goes into an infinite loop < 1530764334 634240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1530764338 827953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I have to write a working one myself, then? < 1530764353 740639 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's a working one way back in page history (about two pages) < 1530764381 558485 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, a different one. < 1530764445 571497 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a bit of bisection is in order. < 1530764799 937808 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530764803 950883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1530764805 457422 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1530764807 518594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,.[<+>>>--[>-<--]<-<-]>[<<[.]]!0 < 1530764807 782645 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ... < 1530764815 484117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,.[<+>>>--[>-<--]<-<-]>[<<[.]]!1 < 1530764815 714814 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530764818 35022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1530764831 782925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,.[<+>>>--[<->--]<-<-]>[<<[.]]!0 < 1530764832 35690 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530764834 647137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,.[<+>>>--[<->--]<-<-]>[<<[.]]!1 < 1530764834 877108 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530764837 82466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1530764841 614651 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on it > 1530764846 713505 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56410&oldid=56409 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+7) 10Undo [https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Truth-machine&type=revision&diff=47110&oldid=46694 old edits] which made it loop infinitely on 0 < 1530764869 451609 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were you making a better one... < 1530764886 549611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine checks even/odd, I think that one's checking for 48 specifically < 1530764891 586950 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1530764894 89277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>+>+<<-]++++++[>--------<-]>[>.<]>. < 1530764896 718619 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>+>+<<-]++++++[>--------<-]>[>.<]>. < 1530764903 892601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,.[<+>>>--[<->--]<-<-]>[<<[.]] < 1530764925 94918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can you golf off a byte there by rearranging what cell's used for what? < 1530764929 421408 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's shorter < 1530764932 644661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine relies on wrapping, anyway, that one doesn't < 1530764943 20995 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe have both, then. < 1530764986 190769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.[>>>+<--[<->--]<-<-]>[>>[.]]!0 < 1530764986 404492 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530764988 433678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.[>>>+<--[<->--]<-<-]>[>>[.]]!1 < 1530764988 675763 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530764999 496540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,.[<+>>>--[<->--]<-<-]>[<<[.]] < 1530765005 392084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,.[>>>+<--[<->--]<-<-]>[>>[.]] < 1530765013 230876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, slightly shorter if you rearrange it like this < 1530765048 905001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an even/odd test is surprisingly hard to do non-wrapping < 1530765050 989615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless, hmm < 1530765098 753622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,.[[->+<]>-]<[<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765098 894865 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530765100 754185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,.[[->+<]>-]<[<<]>[.]!1 < 1530765100 872938 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1530765111 145978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1530765114 502305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,.[[->+<]+>-]<[<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765114 623877 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ... < 1530765116 893018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,.[[->+<]+>-]<[<<]>[.]!1 < 1530765117 11779 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1530765118 366079 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my edit summary didn't give a clickable link. it's annoying that Undo over more than one edit doesn't fill one in... < 1530765166 675812 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's full of ^As tdnh < 1530765177 253859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know what went wrong < 1530765224 526459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>>,.[[->+>+<<]>>-]<<[<<<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765224 726249 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ... < 1530765230 296805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1530765262 217171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>>,.[[->+>+<<]>>-]<[<<<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765262 345643 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530765263 95367 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way someone started a new polyglot chain https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/167621/add-a-egaugnal-to-a-polyglot < 1530765265 367608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>>,.[[->+>+<<]>>-]<[<<<<]>[.]!1 < 1530765265 509420 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1530765269 694025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed < 1530765282 596585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't contribute to it < 1530765286 644588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might look at it when it grows longer < 1530765364 776383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,.[->+>+<<]>>[[->+<]+>-]<[<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765364 932363 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530765369 95084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,.[->+>+<<]>>[[->+<]+>-]<[<<]>[.]!1 < 1530765369 228037 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530765371 935969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1530765380 382557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not nearly as simple as the rather elegant original :-( < 1530765401 729513 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, include both < 1530765418 14455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, my original non-wrapping version which didn't work but was very elegant < 1530765439 207048 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1530765455 309689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<[<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765455 470034 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530765458 53198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<[<<]>[.]!1 < 1530765458 218782 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1530765465 970523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ofc < 1530765471 521879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<<<[<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765471 650389 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530765473 430227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<<<[<<]>[.]!1 < 1530765473 572019 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530765477 384594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's a bit better < 1530765507 767500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if all three leading >s are required < 1530765510 916087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to bring up a debugger, I guess < 1530765543 432889 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +>>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<<<[<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765543 595256 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530765548 748442 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +>>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<<<[<<]>[.]!1 < 1530765548 905874 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530765688 497351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's a clever way to check < 1530765689 648640 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530765696 503832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<<<[<<]>[.]!0 < 1530765696 636171 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 ... < 1530765699 208203 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not perfect < 1530765701 517993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530765714 905667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on what causes the overshoot to the left of the start, it'll be reliable in this case < 1530765751 683308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1530765767 948156 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1530765789 389961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<<<[<<]>[.] < 1530765799 502755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,.[<+>>>--[<->--]<-<-]>[<<[.]] < 1530765813 643942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm using a proportional-width font, the programs are much the same width in this < 1530765816 108287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION copies to an editor < 1530765832 601552 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first is shorter hth < 1530765841 106769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like >>,.[[->+<<+>]>-]<<<[<<]>[.] is the best option of my programs, it's shorter /and/ it doesn't require wrapping < 1530765852 939458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does have O(n²) performance where n is the ASCII code of the input < 1530765872 125148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just confirmed in a debugger that the maximum overshoot is 2 squares to the left of the input < 1530765876 322485 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530765927 537848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm < 1530765930 821208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I did that right < 1530765932 684973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION double-checks < 1530766002 932324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, looks like all three > /are/ needed < 1530766008 570791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case where the input is 0 < 1530766030 453148 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 the digit or 0 the cell value > 1530766041 31975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56411&oldid=56410 5* 03Ais523 5* (-8) 10/* brainfuck */ shorter version < 1530766054 858735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the digit < 1530766096 234612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program should work on cell values 0 and 1 too, I think < 1530766112 316959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with cell value 0 it follows a different codepath that just happens to give the right answer, rather than by design < 1530766117 350864 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1530766241 983250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, with cell value 0 the program degenerates to >>>,.<<<> < 1530766252 600210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it very clear how much tape is needed :-) < 1530766381 813250 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think < 1530767034 102227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it I'm not sure that the codepath for NUL is that different from that for \x30 < 1530767575 168356 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530767786 682919 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530769191 306526 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530769428 813054 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530769495 790317 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think it exits without error on input 1 hth < 1530769519 778161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :-) < 1530769526 445947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I meant, as do you < 1530769528 52507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix it < 1530769559 379308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSA is too good < 1530769583 296232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a programming language based on explicit SSA in some sense? < 1530769666 12924 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530770577 347110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some intermediate representations are like that < 1530770580 465824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM IR, for example < 1530770597 499884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a high-level language offhand that uses it < 1530770983 760858 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530770995 847920 :imode-desktop!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1530771645 135622 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIR-V as well, I remember liking it when I scanned its spec draft < 1530771648 671207 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530771763 974241 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are languages written as a fairly thin layer above SPIR-V (and maybe WebASM), which might count as "high-level language with ex plicit SSA" < 1530771779 433695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should figure out what the question I'm trying to ask is first, anyway. < 1530771785 797183 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530771788 193608 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1530771793 222578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can also say that Mill assembly is SSA. < 1530771869 9009 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get back to my "I swear it'll become a fancy decompiler someday" project < 1530772071 519785 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: hachaf > 1530772100 309363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56412&oldid=56357 5* 03A 5* (+494) 10/* Big width loops */ < 1530772352 820311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HellorFly < 1530772375 102187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the language I've been trying to figure out is related to SSA but I haven't figured out exactly how it works yet. < 1530772380 232761 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530772578 513237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suddenly realised that SSA is similar in a way to continuation passing style < 1530773338 664696 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530773660 544965 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530773727 718053 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530773746 947941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, very similar. < 1530773770 98028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also did you see the presentation of SSA in https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~fp/courses/15411-f13/lectures/06-ssa.pdf ? < 1530773866 5560 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530773986 927334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; I'm not sure I've read any papers/lectures on SSA < 1530774010 665758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just one of those concepts that you pick up when you do esoprogramming, because it's helpful to know all the low-level programming techniques in existence in case one of them becomes relevant < 1530774019 296661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm, SSA isn't really conceptually low level < 1530774027 539719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just happens to be used there because it's a pain to program in manually < 1530774405 657406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I like that presentation more than the one with phi nodes. > 1530774476 456382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56413&oldid=56411 5* 03ZM 5* (+1) 10/* Andromeda */ actually push 0 on 0 < 1530774561 371481 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't FP code all effectively already in SSA? < 1530774567 959310 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, pure FP code) < 1530774885 154615 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530774988 794679 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530775093 348761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hmm, I guess you can see a function call as a phi node < 1530775213 239413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1530775225 10657 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530775630 261712 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530775781 828691 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530777288 754810 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1530777377 113373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56414&oldid=56412 5* 03A 5* (+457) 10/* Average Numbers */ < 1530777448 293113 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530777692 679291 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530779330 161513 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530779468 509694 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530779483 705712 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1530779504 312004 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530779545 779688 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530779585 322877 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530779601 282073 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530780189 180825 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530780236 804478 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530780352 687852 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1530780904 834709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56415&oldid=56413 5* 03A 5* (+53) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530781276 396641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56416&oldid=56414 5* 03A 5* (+568) 10/* Golf question */ > 1530781359 446886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56417&oldid=56415 5* 03A 5* (+88) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530781376 725895 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530781527 160065 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSA? < 1530781532 784020 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530781552 356123 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static single assignmnet? > 1530781726 811958 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56418&oldid=56417 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530781731 164726 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah > 1530782330 418605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56419&oldid=56418 5* 03A 5* (-102) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530782518 386351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56420&oldid=56419 5* 03A 5* (+114) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530782694 658527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56421&oldid=56416 5* 03A 5* (-25) 10/* Let's try another longer version */ < 1530783253 289626 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530783441 265394 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530785107 293379 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530785290 22064 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530786994 125756 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530787191 312803 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530788507 220146 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ysjdffdhdjisajrb JOIN :#esoteric < 1530788898 941978 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530789070 111806 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1530789401 98459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56422&oldid=56421 5* 03A 5* (+32) 10/* The classic multiplication */ > 1530789543 7087 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56423&oldid=56422 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Golf question */ > 1530789664 384277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56424&oldid=56423 5* 03A 5* (+51) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ > 1530790060 242681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56425&oldid=56424 5* 03A 5* (+10) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ > 1530790070 38600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56426&oldid=56425 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Combine small numbers in your code */ > 1530790094 33716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56427&oldid=56426 5* 03A 5* (-87) 10/* Use the visualizer */ > 1530790139 417690 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56428&oldid=56427 5* 03A 5* (-182) 10/* Let's try another longer version */ > 1530790277 229196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56429&oldid=56428 5* 03A 5* (+854) 10/* Really? A shorter one */ > 1530790387 685471 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56430&oldid=56429 5* 03A 5* (-44) 10/* ASCII list */ > 1530790519 143334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56431&oldid=56430 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* ASCII list */ < 1530790924 176865 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530791004 731034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that ASCII list a) wrong and b) partially in Japanese? < 1530791026 675364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see the Japanese got removed at some point < 1530791065 128593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print chr 23' | unidecode < 1530791066 117453 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1530791081 368443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo a | unidecode < 1530791082 237320 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1530791084 748903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1530791091 281873 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530791092 763878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it takes from argument, not stdin < 1530791100 53 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unidecode $(perl -e 'print chr 23') < 1530791101 578263 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0017 ] < 1530791114 646508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not useful :-( < 1530791117 780686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's tab though < 1530791135 43598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "end of transmission block" > 1530791189 205779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56432&oldid=56431 5* 03Ais523 5* (-836) 10/* ASCII list */ delete; a) this would be better as a link to an external site, b) it doesn't really have much to do with brainfuck in particular (or golfing!), c) it isn't even correct < 1530791770 5367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530792961 289798 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530793146 201931 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530794884 895169 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530795034 31453 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530795140 641377 :ldm!~ldm@unaffiliated/ldm PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 2.1" < 1530796281 490054 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ysjdffdhdjisajrb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530796518 244810 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is User:A < 1530796793 23114 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530796964 293343 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530797796 927695 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is A related to asdf? < 1530798662 265962 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530798709 803539 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530798742 710295 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530798762 786233 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530798777 130714 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530798830 680355 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530800529 87600 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530800664 257046 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530800705 298039 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530802386 373313 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530802574 684391 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530802664 419176 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric > 1530803231 378295 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56433&oldid=55610 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+621) 10/* How it works */ < 1530803311 368887 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1530803343 463047 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530803621 121338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530803847 674974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1530804252 427438 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530804442 40782 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530804807 961474 :WHarf!~WHarf@host159-180-107-112.range159-180.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1530804929 702379 :WHarf!~WHarf@host159-180-107-112.range159-180.btcentralplus.com PART :#esoteric < 1530806129 447594 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530806363 43513 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530806736 921433 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530806781 893428 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530807492 676827 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530807920 646999 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530808018 433378 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530808063 646557 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530808208 780625 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530809933 517415 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530810044 141001 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530810140 782677 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530811042 819296 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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(www.adiirc.com) < 1530817489 989002 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530817658 6305 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530818493 794139 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530819368 367038 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530819584 314254 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530821481 913791 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530821672 224722 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530822140 252551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530823388 675159 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530823601 26208 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530825294 474965 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530825471 296572 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530826487 605953 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530826511 5735 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to think string rewriting isn't practical. < 1530826690 201399 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sorting program worked with single rule execution. but it took 500x longer than one with simultaneous rule execution. < 1530827047 17823 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that a TM would actually perform better in that regard. < 1530827141 142572 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530827252 769403 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :with rewriting your state is just limited to 1. the rule you're executing, and 2. the thing you're rewriting. while with TMs, it's 1. the current state, 2. the head position and 3. the entire tape. < 1530827346 52598 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530828177 433944 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530828601 110814 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530828842 122348 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't _look_ quite as elegant as string rewriting but it's certainly more practical. I wonder if there's a midway point. tag systems? < 1530829052 760396 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530829241 305039 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530829900 232684 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530830768 639061 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530831072 202336 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530831231 335750 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530832158 979177 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you give a "fair" rule order to a string rewriting system. < 1530832186 863720 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that Thue is nondeterministic. < 1530832230 882021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1530832928 810223 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530833129 793479 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530833195 11572 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530833239 276537 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1530834833 115426 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530835041 313186 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530835906 564835 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530835939 786997 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530836207 772184 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530836713 383233 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530836894 15123 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530836895 920798 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530837165 862041 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530838200 156437 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530838638 516401 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530838774 200837 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530839861 310126 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530840076 94553 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530840076 369222 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1530840234 491430 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1530840645 956201 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530840831 268378 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530842129 999398 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530842541 738692 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1530842632 44447 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Cjarvis 5* 10New user account < 1530842741 804160 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1530842935 194859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56434&oldid=56392 5* 03Cjarvis 5* (+276) 10/* Introductions */ < 1530843336 400868 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530843617 337185 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530843924 187124 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530844420 863915 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530844661 25263 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530845195 242615 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530845340 359556 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530845587 989866 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is A related to asdf? <-- pretty much assuming it's the same person < 1530845669 508166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then why would one of them have asked the other one's permission to do something < 1530845672 512756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1530846104 24004 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530846260 815132 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530846484 753731 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1530846506 183851 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't storing trees in memory be as simple as storing a string. ;~; < 1530846568 906859 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( maybe imode wants ghc's compact regions ) < 1530846595 744655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it can be if you just store complete trees hth < 1530846624 270340 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well yeah but tree rewriting tyyypically doesn't deal with complete trees. < 1530846633 753896 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a massive space waster. < 1530846674 755249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :store all the data in one place and the shape in another place hth < 1530846675 614084 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the re-parenting of orphaned nodes and stuff upon rewrites. < 1530846687 305792 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530846693 486763 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but it'd... still require a fixed number of bits per node regardless of data. < 1530846716 18668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can store the shape pretty efficiently with fancy rank-select dictionaries or something. < 1530846748 878571 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, succinct trees. but that's for relatively sparse read-only data. dynamically updatable succinct trees are much harder than that. < 1530846753 443086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so sure about mutation. < 1530846779 854671 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I considered early on (about last year) was storing unique paths through an infinite complete binary tree. < 1530846790 770188 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a list. < 1530846792 146720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of the other thing I was trying to figure out, which was about storing data in complete mostly-ordered trees. < 1530846809 826162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather than ordered mostly-complete trees like most balanced search trees.) < 1530846826 437189 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530846834 709919 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't get why people see trees/terms as more fundamental than strings in mathematics, I guess. < 1530846863 75274 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're harder to work with, require bolting on binding and matching features onto whatever you to do to anything useful... < 1530846867 686784 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530846918 514426 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because we've been dealing with expressions that take the form of trees for however long expressional/equational reasoning has been around. < 1530846987 674739 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530847121 363742 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530847329 446932 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1530847493 916931 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56435&oldid=56432 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Really? A shorter one */ > 1530848933 112688 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56436&oldid=56420 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-167) 10That's nice, but unfortunately it doesn't terminate on 0. < 1530849816 307973 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530850077 310447 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530851116 100669 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prüfer_sequence ? < 1530852056 249877 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1530852164 279468 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: at a glance it doesn't seem like this'd permit easy modification. unless you can do traversal and modification solely based on the sequence alone < 1530852237 619467 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like you'd be able to. it'd just be a little weird. < 1530852280 754604 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I've also wondered is are there ways of compactly storing unlabeled trees? < 1530852574 839166 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pure structure can be stored pretty compact < 1530852608 758784 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year i had a code for that which basically just encodes branching to the left or right with bits < 1530852711 492032 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for trees where each node is either a leaf or has k children, you can store it with a 1 bit for going downwards and a 0 bit for going upwards again < 1530852734 524030 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you don't even need k children for that < 1530852772 415194 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may only receive an isomorphic tree through this, though < 1530852787 358455 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, / is encoded as 10, but \ is as well < 1530853254 138190 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you store a depth first traversal? < 1530853285 928667 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. isn't that just nested parens? < 1530853676 552096 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1530853725 296329 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530853912 438035 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1530854190 515322 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530854297 291718 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530854539 373438 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 > 1530855193 965173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56437&oldid=56435 5* 03A 5* (+1263) 10/* Use the visualizer */ > 1530855234 604111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56438&oldid=56437 5* 03A 5* (-27) 10/* Use the visualizer */ < 1530856279 292170 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530856313 297066 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530856588 292329 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530858710 192461 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530858945 429943 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530859285 292304 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1530859755 646203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unless14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56439 5* 03A 5* (+853) 10Created page with "Unless is a derivative of [[~ATH]]. ==Tutorial== ===The simplest possible Unless program=== T: ;All unnecessary things ===T=== This can be changed into anything. If it..." > 1530860213 712959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56440 5* 03A 5* (+854) 10Created page with "==Tutorial== ===The simplest possible Unless program=== That is a [[Null program]]. ===R=== Run something. (This can run anything) It usually runs a code. A tab or 4 spaces..." < 1530860234 27938 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. > 1530860269 632125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56441&oldid=56440 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10/* The simplest possible Unless program */ > 1530860332 1724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56442&oldid=56441 5* 03A 5* (-34) 10/* ; */ > 1530860464 94847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56443&oldid=56442 5* 03A 5* (+239) 10/* Objects */ > 1530860505 722241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56444&oldid=56443 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Objects */ > 1530860786 872179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56445&oldid=56039 5* 03A 5* (+196) 10/* ~-~! */ < 1530860805 844661 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.57 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1530861007 830554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56446&oldid=56444 5* 03A 5* (+250) 10/* Objects */ > 1530861101 583333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56447&oldid=56445 5* 03A 5* (+232) 10/* --Unless */ > 1530861529 781402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56448&oldid=56446 5* 03A 5* (+29) 10/* Tutorial */ > 1530861565 699985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56449&oldid=56448 5* 03A 5* (+35) 10/* Objects */ > 1530861601 588851 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07--Unless14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56450&oldid=56449 5* 03A 5* (+23) 10/* :something */ < 1530862883 736168 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530864431 385793 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530866029 671304 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530866280 472833 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1530867376 625726 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1530867599 993854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OOOOL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56451 5* 03A 5* (+436) 10Created page with "OOOOL is the acronym for "Object-Oriented Output Only Language". ==Tutorial== ===How to define a function=== To define a function, you make it like this: FUNC: (do someting)..." > 1530867630 510455 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OOOOL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56452&oldid=56451 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* How to output */ < 1530873083 348808 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1530873115 297252 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530873120 206990 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1530873129 630294 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric > 1530875923 291111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Yhara 5* 10New user account > 1530877511 272428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56453&oldid=56359 5* 03Ais523 5* (-304) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Ais523|Ais523]] > 1530877550 306751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10Ais523 changed visibility of 2 revisions on page [[02Brainfuck10]]: content hidden: Copyright violation: contains content copied from Stack Exchange (https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/163590) < 1530882031 309134 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530883044 802030 :mehrdad!4e2f243a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.47.36.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530883048 838263 :mehrdad!4e2f243a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.47.36.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1530883060 910892 :mehrdad!4e2f243a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.47.36.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a channel about esoterism/ < 1530883582 673670 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mehrdad < 1530883583 799443 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mehrdad: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1530883677 406014 :mehrdad!4e2f243a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.47.36.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1530883720 135515 :mehrdad!4e2f243a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.47.36.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: where do people talk about esotericm? < 1530883756 724994 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb why don't you come to the go club on sunday < 1530883766 548766 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :devonshire arms at ~7pm < 1530883845 170801 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: go the programming language, go the board game, or go the verb? < 1530883855 372471 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the board game < 1530883871 861601 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't play ;_; < 1530883876 172178 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2go < 1530883886 396156 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know, it's still a pub and they have beer < 1530883907 395857 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't drink ;_; < 1530883922 38019 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third excuse: I'm going to be playing board games in London that afternoon and I don't know when I'll get back < 1530883931 133967 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than those three reasons, I'd love to < 1530883935 256877 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty easy for me to get to < 1530883964 130941 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on sunday evening every sunday < 1530884019 556198 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to the old ticket office this evening? < 1530884022 938728 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like at 6pm? < 1530884033 787742 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be there with a few friends from work < 1530884350 912909 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more doable < 1530884395 736481 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayyy < 1530885209 166481 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the old ticket office small enough that you'll recognize the approximately six foot tall (183cm) person with messy brown hair and thick eyebrows walking in the door < 1530885489 390766 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure... < 1530885553 6451 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :come in with a rubiks cube in your hand < 1530885591 710119 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :too snowdeny or not enough rubiks cubes available? < 1530885597 895368 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's manageable < 1530886043 672927 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric > 1530887263 105215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nameless language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56454&oldid=37337 5* 03BMO 5* (+391) 10hello world example wasn't valid, added infobox & reference implementation < 1530888117 543327 :mehrdad!4e2f243a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.47.36.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1530888515 294239 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1530888516 228633 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530888519 24321 :ATMunn_!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1530888524 664024 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530888526 343 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530888527 204020 :probablymoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric > 1530888941 153679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MediaWiki:Common.js14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56455 5* 03Ais523 5* (+203) 10the http:// URLs don't work well due to caching effects; if we visit the site in a sufficiently modern browser, do a JS redirect to https:// < 1530889385 279789 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530889414 422549 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530889958 873250 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I retrofitted my interpreter to select the first applicable rule in the ruleset. < 1530890027 540038 :ZM!4e377d9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.55.125.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530890071 410656 :ZM!4e377d9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.55.125.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you so much for that < 1530890278 915344 :ATMunn_!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn NICK :ATMunn < 1530890321 978317 :ZM!4e377d9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.55.125.159 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1530890540 252412 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1530890549 905860 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: you're in UK? < 1530890566 999626 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes in cambridge < 1530890577 306554 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nifty < 1530890581 607012 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wbu? < 1530890616 596190 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not presently, although have been in the UK fairly frequently the past.. half year or so < 1530890625 792520 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been to Cambridge though < 1530890636 140539 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you should, it's where I am < 1530890662 796276 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly that's a reason to avoid it < 1530890667 986619 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1530890677 477164 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should attend freenode live in november :D < 1530890686 105980 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, in Bristol) < 1530890695 590198 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bristol's annoying to get to :/ < 1530890710 606091 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than cambridge :p < 1530890717 211697 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to go to the last one < 1530890734 46478 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Cambridge is hard to get to unless you're in Cambridge, in which case it's hard to escape < 1530890734 175852 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :EasyJet has a direct flight to Bristol nowadays < 1530890740 834185 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1530890761 54212 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stansted Airport's like half an hour from Cambridge by train < 1530890774 551671 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wanna ryanair :\ < 1530890779 94120 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fair < 1530890797 939653 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, should visit Cambridge someday < 1530890819 903758 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know enough people in the UK that I kinda want to make a tour de great britain.. < 1530890825 721433 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there's a group that play Go every Sunday < 1530890830 435883 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by train < 1530890849 71747 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fizzie still in London? < 1530890955 519133 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My next UK visit will be in august/september, but.. wrong part of the country < 1530890972 548155 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(over by the border to wales basically, for EMFcamp) < 1530891031 694886 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few of my friends are going to that < 1530891065 682858 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530891085 470362 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to 34c3 last year, hopefully EMF is just as fun, hehe < 1530891086 409494 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in london there are several go centers < 1530891116 714614 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i say centres < 1530891156 619077 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1530891277 468170 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1530891374 96143 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ona visit in the UK, or? < 1530891975 842942 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :been living here since november < 1530892213 256424 :probablymoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :definitelymoony < 1530892862 186558 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find the shortest path between string rewriting and a usable programming language is difficult. < 1530892938 877623 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'll go through Perl < 1530892955 16836 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually might go through SNOBOL. < 1530893558 477441 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ah cool! < 1530893583 703993 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should also visit fnlive :p < 1530894385 15756 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530894628 94272 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be a shorter path than implementing RAM + a given instruction set. < 1530897648 53814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a tag system implementation in SQL; it is an easy Turing-complete system to implement using the recursive WITH clause in SQL. < 1530897682 46867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH A(T) AS (SELECT '211' UNION ALL SELECT SUBSTR(T,3) || CASE SUBSTR(T,1,1) WHEN '1' THEN '3321H' WHEN '2' THEN '331' WHEN '3' THEN '33' END FROM A) SELECT T FROM A WHERE SUBSTR(T,1,1) = 'H' LIMIT 1; < 1530897740 195561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530898095 882430 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1530899140 476665 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :building expressiveness from nothing is hard. < 1530899274 432423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bunch of people here who work in London and live in Cambridge and commute daily, it can't be that hard to get to. < 1530899306 816878 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 624 seconds < 1530899349 255199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this place is right next to King's Cross, which is pretty optimal for Cambridgeing to/from. < 1530899869 229111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, I think this was the first HTTP 451 "Unavailable For Legal Reasons" error I've gotten. < 1530899878 217375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time." < 1530899903 86464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's one way of being GDPR compliant. < 1530901041 728195 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530901249 221696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the requirements for GDPR? < 1530901497 50560 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1530902703 29942 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's more general than a hypergraph? < 1530903422 378699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/heromesh.ui/raw/exec.c?name=61678b6bb7fd8f9a32756361b39a5d4211cbde81 Do the pfunlink() and pflink() and objalloc() functions look like OK to you? Do you have suggestions to improve it if it is wrong? < 1530903903 928000 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530906575 159475 :definitelymoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :obviouslymoony > 1530906629 14717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DMC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56456&oldid=54862 5* 03DMC 5* (+143) 10 > 1530906650 544241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DMC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56457&oldid=56456 5* 03DMC 5* (+0) 10 < 1530908516 926740 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has now met izabera  < 1530908545 261958 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1530909166 544552 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:3ccc:744d:ed01:df65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 470 http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=470 < 1530909167 356023 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 470 http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=470: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale < 1530909854 390829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I list this one already? < 1530910523 764455 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xoaoagsgqhortkvt JOIN :#esoteric < 1530911139 86504 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1530911326 321472 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530912019 594192 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530912901 152558 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530913401 559143 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530913492 491075 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530913687 191579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530914465 320518 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530914585 426870 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1530916526 342619 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric > 1530916702 914858 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56458&oldid=56162 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+20) 10U - Added User:Language < 1530920699 633637 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xoaoagsgqhortkvt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530922144 621368 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1530922188 678773 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1530922528 493437 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohwctqruodubdqrt JOIN :#esoteric < 1530924503 491368 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1530925733 832332 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1530925769 685439 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530926173 635146 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1530926864 789712 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've got this decision problem. < 1530926978 396524 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are F types of fruits and P people. I have f_1 fruits of the first kind, f_2 fruits of the second kind, ..., f_F fruits of the F'th kind. I need to give p_1 fruits to the first person, ..., p_P fruits to the P'th person. < 1530927017 304670 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, each person will only accept fruits of particular kinds. < 1530927065 302706 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an FxP matrix of booleans which indicates whether or not each person will accept each kind of fruit. < 1530927088 621546 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, can I give each person the required number of fruits, without giving any person a kind of fruit that they will not accept? < 1530927106 858134 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, this sounds like an NP-complete problem. Is it? < 1530927396 751591 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it's NP-hard because I can reduce set-packing to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_packing < 1530927406 323363 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suppose one has a finite set S and a list of subsets of S. Then, the set packing problem asks if some k subsets in the list are pairwise disjoint (in other words, no two of them share an element)." < 1530927487 674028 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I set F = |S| + 1. There is one type of fruit for each element of S, plus one more fruit, designated "otherwise". < 1530927529 358773 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each element of the list of subsets of S, there's a person who demands exactly one fruit, and that fruit is permitted to be either one of the fruits from the subset of S, or the "otherwise" fruit. < 1530927563 684466 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also one person who demands enough "otherwise" fruits that k other people must receive fruits that are not "otherwise". < 1530927605 22384 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, scratch that last person. < 1530927616 464658 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only the people who demand exactly one fruit. < 1530927627 860184 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm given exactly enough "otherwise" fruits that I can give them to all but k people. < 1530927635 265227 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also given exactly one of every other type of fruit. < 1530927636 42872 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1530927766 521700 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that proves that it's NP-hard. < 1530927825 516237 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it in NP? < 1530928126 239921 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: if the p_i are given in unary, then yes, since the solution is polynomial size in the input data < 1530928131 489604 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, i'm not sure. < 1530928289 8629 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that all the numbers are given in binary or decimal. < 1530928309 159050 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait, it works even without < 1530928322 932218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this an integer linear programming problem anyway < 1530928331 298091 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list of all assignments just tells how many of each fruit to each person < 1530928364 385386 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that can be done in binary/decimal. < 1530928386 117345 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, NP. < 1530928473 55038 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530930148 612957 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's probably obviously integer linear programming. < 1530930157 630250 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another way of stating it. < 1530930194 849215 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got a grid of squares. Some of the squares have pencil marks in them. Each row and each column is labeled with a number. < 1530930215 45910 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you erase pencil marks such that each row contains *at least* the designated number of marks, and each column contains *at most* the designated number of marks? < 1530930340 825159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Of course the (universal) dual of Kleene star is complement(star(complement(L))). I don't know why I didn't think of that. < 1530930346 394677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, hmm, can you even define concatenation of universal finite automata? < 1530930498 640062 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator NICK :Bowserinator < 1530930636 682883 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett NICK :tswett > 1530930998 212229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MediaWiki talk:Common.js14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56459 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+472) 10That doesn't work for the cache problems > 1530931055 997142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MediaWiki talk:Common.js14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56460&oldid=56459 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10punct. < 1530931219 746145 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[-->-[>>+>-----<<]<--<---]>-.>>>+.>>..+++[.>]<<<<.+++.------.<<-. < 1530931219 881400 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World < 1530932043 452661 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's more general than a hypergraph? <-- supercalifragilisticexpialigraph hth < 1530932519 206610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the paper on dual concatenation: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304397505004056 < 1530932526 975744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And dual regular expressions in general.) < 1530932699 600670 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohwctqruodubdqrt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530935041 930324 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1530936427 430249 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it did help. :P > 1530936451 364128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56461&oldid=56434 5* 03Yhara 5* (+65) 10 < 1530936601 901949 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1530936819 630673 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530939045 615577 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530942341 207235 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530942369 559354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1530942716 554774 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530943245 502724 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1530943429 328174 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1530944151 626625 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1530947023 495224 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1530947710 212245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56462&oldid=56436 5* 03A 5* (-14) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530947865 610652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56463&oldid=56462 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+14) 10Undo revision 56462 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) (See previous edit summaries) > 1530948086 936253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56464&oldid=56438 5* 03A 5* (+28) 10/* Really? A shorter one */ > 1530948174 522918 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56465&oldid=56313 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+406) 10/* Your brainfuck truth-machine */ new section > 1530948303 297934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56466&oldid=56464 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10/* Really? A shorter one */ > 1530948542 39337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56467&oldid=56463 5* 03A 5* (+109) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530948613 987696 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.[->+>+<<]++++++[->--------<]>[>[.]]!0 < 1530948614 105955 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1530948616 704120 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.[->+>+<<]++++++[->--------<]>[>[.]]!1 < 1530948616 799723 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... < 1530948619 335708 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :checks out > 1530948680 60118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56468&oldid=56467 5* 03A 5* (-3) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530948738 376450 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56469&oldid=56468 5* 03A 5* (-106) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1530948891 298563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56470&oldid=56465 5* 03A 5* (+149) 10/* Your brainfuck truth-machine */ > 1530949425 708833 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56471&oldid=56470 5* 03A 5* (+144) 10/* Your brainfuck truth-machine */ > 1530949652 706703 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56472&oldid=56471 5* 03A 5* (-69) 10/* Your brainfuck truth-machine */ > 1530949824 300620 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56473&oldid=56472 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Your brainfuck truth-machine */ > 1530950096 101188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56474&oldid=56466 5* 03A 5* (+123) 10 > 1530950096 395060 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56475&oldid=56473 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+207) 10/* Your brainfuck truth-machine */ > 1530950366 866603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56476&oldid=56475 5* 03A 5* (+175) 10/* Your brainfuck truth-machine */ < 1530950536 74630 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.[->+>+<<]++++++[->--------<]>[>[.]] < 1530950542 826287 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.[->+>+<<]++++++[->--------<]>[>[.]]!0 < 1530950542 959681 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 > 1530950713 86918 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56477&oldid=56476 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+163) 10Yes > 1530951040 892536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56478&oldid=56469 5* 03A 5* (+103) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1530956065 540730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530956495 51767 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1530957923 255776 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1530958755 403649 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530959189 389886 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1530960495 563930 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1530963213 286372 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530963230 937989 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1530963236 239058 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1530963324 652476 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530965685 133650 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtbvhmdkiuagufmh JOIN :#esoteric < 1530966829 673778 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1530968431 788425 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530974665 287308 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtbvhmdkiuagufmh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1530977127 451201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1530977127 510066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 071520Z AUTO 30008KT 250V020 9999 NCD 30/12 Q1023 NOSIG < 1530977132 274658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG 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Q1024 < 1530983632 814753 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1530983912 231558 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530984132 632182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1530985366 410122 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1530986158 406479 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1530986976 107976 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530987778 657215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata BHX < 1530987779 446261 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham (BHX, EGBB) < 1530988183 207625 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1530988304 759314 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGSC < 1530988305 58166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGSC 071650Z 36006KT 300V090 CAVOK 28/10 Q1023 < 1530988634 66092 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1530988759 5956 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1530988864 256550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56479&oldid=56398 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+4159) 10Language update + examples < 1530988932 88039 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530989147 318925 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1530989692 233628 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far too warm... < 1530989798 856683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao EGSC < 1530989799 677968 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge (CBG, EGSC) < 1530989867 208726 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, Cambridge has an international airport with zero scheduled flights < 1530990821 990426 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530991006 33516 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530991091 690679 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1530991220 554173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56480&oldid=56479 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (-328) 10edits to a language about a wiki < 1530992741 781387 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530992812 186124 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1530992915 790668 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1530994594 488752 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530994786 16759 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1530994954 7602 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1530995292 998976 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1530995595 203266 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1530996473 199296 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530996722 35227 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1530998375 749743 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1530998537 210927 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531000299 538895 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531000428 303928 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531002051 252592 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf26q8wflfvvi0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531002161 151221 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531002263 918131 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:3ccc:744d:ed01:df65 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531002365 779311 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531002404 332246 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:357d:3ed7:b98:8cba JOIN :#esoteric < 1531003264 653328 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-190-54-130.range86-190.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1531004102 168742 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531004288 32642 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531004714 680420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56481&oldid=56480 5* 03Ais523 5* (+52) 10add a few extra cats to this: [[Category:Unimplemented]] is particularly important as it may inspire someone to write an interpreter (which should be entirely possible!) > 1531005878 702489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fusion Tag14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56482 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2369) 10I wanted to prove this TC before posting it, but I'm struggling, so it makes more sense to post it to see what other people think about it > 1531005907 707573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56483&oldid=56458 5* 03Ais523 5* (+17) 10/* F */ +[[Fusion Tag]] < 1531005964 46508 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531005973 948880 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56484&oldid=55708 5* 03Ais523 5* (+200) 10+[[Fusion Tag]]; notes about the current status of Feather < 1531006165 391368 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531006768 490443 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531006864 882772 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1531006865 236776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 072320Z 13008KT CAVOK 08/07 Q1023 RMK WIND 670FT 16007KT < 1531006887 73881 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : E2HOT <-- E2DAMP < 1531006924 610127 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening the door should help, i hope < 1531007316 289083 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531007644 505189 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531007904 138680 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531008084 305878 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531008709 335736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truncate optimization in SQLite does not work with virtual tables. In Free Hero Mesh I have a annihilate() function to delete all objects efficiently, which can be used in many cases internally, although a SQL statement such as DELETE FROM "OBJECTS"; cannot know to call annihilate(), and will have to delete each object individually instead. > 1531008711 763467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chaingate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56485&oldid=51177 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1255) 10/* Computational class */ relationship to TAFMl4 (I hadn't consciously realised until now how similar the languages are; the reference to TAFM in the see also makes me think I might have done so unconsciously, though) < 1531009555 369765 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531009666 303119 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531009806 638537 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531009965 342958 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531010049 850381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56486&oldid=56482 5* 03Ais523 5* (+61) 10/* Computational class */ clarify < 1531010500 442229 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first few attempts at writing som fusion tag programs have all entered infinite loops without ever getting past the first ^ < 1531010532 364166 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose an empty queue error is also possible. > 1531010915 322452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56487 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+408) 10/* Initialization */ new section < 1531011641 705975 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531011838 7312 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531012840 291112 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531013529 4367 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531013712 693278 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531013867 7642 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531015465 335187 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531015646 33012 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531017357 376511 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531017542 813823 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531017561 874357 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531018033 666296 :Ana-!ba3e22dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.62.34.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531018183 311110 :Ana-!ba3e22dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.62.34.220 QUIT :Client Quit < 1531018234 770926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told they would add unbounded signed integers into JavaScript soon. I think that is good. They say you can't mix types of operands except with comparison operators, but I think that you should be allowed to mix types with the << and >> operators and only the type of the left operand is used as the type of the result value. What do you think? < 1531018304 113851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This would also help with many esolangs which use unbounded integers; some use signed and some use unsigned, but it doesn't matter) < 1531018328 512029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can also help to make a proper SQLite binding, because then each SQL type has a corresponding type in JavaScript.) < 1531018515 552244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at Fusion Tag now, I try to think of it now < 1531018544 15296 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, <<, >> should be able to have smaller types as right-operands < 1531018589 939038 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd be careful of adding features to languages specifically to make them work well with another language like SQL < 1531018634 104506 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is already off the deep end in terms of being pretty complicated and /weird/ and not being able to go back for legacy reasons < 1531018642 912794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't specifically the point; it is just one advantage I thought of. < 1531018863 150832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I wanted is 64-bit integers, and other thing is a goto command. This unbounded integers is a suitable substitute for 64-bit integers, though. < 1531018907 797828 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1531018924 198225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, goto can be implemented with a preprocessor, at least. < 1531018931 240666 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit ints should be standard for most things nowadays anyway < 1531019286 817626 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531019423 408126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1531019452 293187 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531019839 46051 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531020994 562004 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if my case analysis is correct, two 0s is not enough for a fusion tag program to get past the first ^ command. < 1531021132 714276 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531021272 761471 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just paste that < 1531021302 4946 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531021838 128827 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56488&oldid=56487 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+675) 10/* Initialization */ Some analysis < 1531022995 568921 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531023197 717165 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531023692 161812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant of a 2-tag system could be that instead of using only the first number and discarding the second one, you combine the first two numbers using some operation such as addition, bitwise OR, bitwise XOR, or subtraction. (Other than subtraction, these are commutative and I don't know how the commutativity affects the computational class of it) < 1531024858 757999 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531025054 17048 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531026766 762508 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531026980 821416 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531028677 630393 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531028825 786529 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531030129 505413 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531030505 50916 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531030724 804495 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531031693 996183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56489&oldid=56478 5* 03A 5* (+229) 10/* ZOMBIE */ < 1531031699 551214 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1531031731 955399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56490&oldid=56489 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Brainfuck */ > 1531031932 924277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56491&oldid=56490 5* 03A 5* (-13) 10/* Cheating Versions */ < 1531032344 961670 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531032466 991832 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531032647 323194 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531032749 144897 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1531033076 625097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56492&oldid=56491 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033200 989173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56493&oldid=56492 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033374 664066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56494&oldid=56493 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033464 126805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56495&oldid=56494 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033477 426266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56496&oldid=56495 5* 03A 5* (-36) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033645 294816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56497&oldid=56496 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* pbrain */ < 1531033671 156891 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell pbrain to use the damn edit button? < 1531033703 407156 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym preview hth < 1531033842 449476 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes th < 1531034341 166319 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531034546 682681 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531035590 452150 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531036251 405555 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531036291 376146 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531036417 322869 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531037924 314178 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531038106 890137 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531038298 9944 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531039961 161882 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531040162 765671 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531041646 477878 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531041789 863871 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531041823 59215 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531042022 24569 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531042182 293378 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1531042442 770067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1531042883 113353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56498 5* 03A 5* (+1826) 10Created page with "'''This=That''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]], and is made up entirely of variables. Each line is just a case-sensitive variable name, followed by 1531042969 236643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56499&oldid=56498 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1531043117 791948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56500&oldid=56499 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10 < 1531043715 629947 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531043805 153495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1531043906 693761 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531043993 191372 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later > 1531044391 403353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56501&oldid=56500 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10 < 1531044477 711093 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531044658 202807 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric > 1531045221 359948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56502&oldid=56501 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10 < 1531045585 504038 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531045781 784229 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531047437 292634 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531047463 752987 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531047640 348811 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531048532 112687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56503&oldid=56502 5* 03A 5* (+1236) 10/* Example programs */ > 1531048571 152992 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56504&oldid=56503 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Endless Square Numbers Program */ > 1531048675 110934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56505&oldid=56504 5* 03A 5* (-40) 10/* Example programs */ < 1531048742 171517 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531048811 517169 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric > 1531048830 492409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56506&oldid=56505 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Endless Bottles of Beer Program */ > 1531049188 290622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56507&oldid=56506 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Cat Program (Until QUIT is inputted) */ < 1531049391 523916 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531049596 625945 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531049600 729876 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531050109 311358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Var=Bar14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56508 5* 03A 5* (+1574) 10Created page with "'''Var=Bar''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]], and is made up entirely of variables. Each line is just a case-sensitive variable name, followed by 1531050121 918363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Var=Bar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56509&oldid=56508 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Example */ > 1531050247 630415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Var=Bar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56510&oldid=56509 5* 03A 5* (-8) 10 < 1531051295 233656 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531051465 336814 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531052639 603580 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531052641 402538 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531053146 696937 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531053208 696931 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531053382 300399 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531054603 181115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56511&oldid=56497 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10/* Urn */ < 1531054833 661756 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531055075 808707 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531055294 676512 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531056151 450080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Far14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56512 5* 03GibsonGeorge 5* (+2836) 10Create > 1531056257 291307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Far14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56513&oldid=56512 5* 03GibsonGeorge 5* (+122) 10Add link to specification > 1531056411 198534 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56514&oldid=56483 5* 03GibsonGeorge 5* (+10) 10Add link to Far > 1531056644 958090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turth-machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56515 5* 03A 5* (+806) 10Created page with "'''Turth-machine''' is a simple pseudo-code programming language. ==Syntax== {| class="wikitable" |- | Ask for ''variable'' || input a variable |- | If the ''Something'' 'Con..." > 1531056721 834410 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56516&oldid=56511 5* 03A 5* (+135) 10/* Trigger */ > 1531056728 567842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56517&oldid=56515 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10 > 1531056758 294903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56518&oldid=56516 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Turth-machine */ > 1531056761 68115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56519&oldid=56517 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10 > 1531056950 961381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fake-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56520&oldid=56407 5* 03A 5* (-40) 10 < 1531057075 410341 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531057240 333218 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531057926 922173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code pointer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56521 5* 03A 5* (+279) 10Created page with "==Syntax== {| class="wikitable" |- | { || Enter loop if code pointer#2 does not reach the end of program. |- | . || Print what the code pointer#2 is pointing. |- | > || move c..." > 1531057991 613122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56522&oldid=54905 5* 03A 5* (+30) 10/* Cheating Quines */ > 1531058599 90498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code pointer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56523&oldid=56521 5* 03A 5* (+133) 10/* Syntax */ > 1531058657 157204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code pointer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56524&oldid=56523 5* 03A 5* (+39) 10/* Quine */ > 1531058675 424179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code pointer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56525&oldid=56524 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10/* Syntax */ > 1531058791 678716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56526&oldid=56522 5* 03A 5* (+30) 10/* Capuirequiem */ < 1531058974 966114 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531059155 676443 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531060902 150572 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531061061 269848 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531062730 411073 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531062783 91643 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531062862 200628 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531062895 337351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Annoying Alice 2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56527&oldid=55651 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+1) 10Fixed an error due to a missing space < 1531062980 784907 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531063677 102480 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1531065150 881928 :mrrmx!~mrrmx@pool-108-26-222-176.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531065386 707815 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531066990 8555 :mrrmx!~mrrmx@pool-108-26-222-176.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531067742 673278 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531067819 308183 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531067948 774403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531068013 670931 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531068777 666697 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531070036 670495 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531070081 345735 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wthhjpqzcptitakb JOIN :#esoteric < 1531071161 290546 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531071315 300449 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531071411 561210 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531071488 43543 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531071550 75362 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3 < 1531072127 100290 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531072152 772499 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1531072319 781592 :obviouslymoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :totallymoony < 1531072586 328295 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531075184 629610 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531076844 759086 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531077198 144174 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531079002 731276 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1531079021 758485 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531079062 381269 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531079185 322599 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the four days of vacation were great. what did I miss here? < 1531079331 884400 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1531079426 845987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot, but you can look at the logs < 1531079498 635479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any mahjong playing? < 1531079513 654438 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I've grepped the logs, and ais523 didn't answer my two questions about the omnitell writeup yet < 1531079536 354474 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, a friend tried to teach some mahjong to me once, but I gave up quickly. it's just not my style of game. < 1531079566 345220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many different kind of mahjong game; I know the Japanese game < 1531079687 205435 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no clue which mahjong game this was. I didn't even get as far as knowing all the rules. I only ever played a few matches. < 1531079735 77264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1531079783 490745 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seemed like a version of rummy played with a different set of cards and with a more complicated scoring system < 1531079887 23517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is kind of like that (although that is true with nearly any mahjong game and is not specific to the Japanese game). < 1531079890 147728 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are four players taking turns, each player always has a set of stones (which is what they call cards) whose number is fixed to 13 or something except you draw one at the start of your turn and discard one at its end, and your stones can be in your hand (hidden) or put down in combinations that you later can't easily modify (but you can add to < 1531079890 288202 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric : them) < 1531079928 9210 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are some special rules about how you can end the game by emptying your hand < 1531079997 485321 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you put a combination of cards on the table, then other players can see it but they can never modify it, and players can sometimes use the stone that another player discards < 1531080058 704015 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar to rummy in most of this this, except that rummy is played with a double deck of poker cards and the number of players isn't fixed to 4 < 1531080078 468868 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then rummy also has different variations < 1531080132 186172 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531080199 923500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of that is true of any kind of mahjong (except "there are some special rules about how you can end the game by emptying your hand"; I am not sure what that means) < 1531080255 612034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature specific to the Japanese mahjong is that one tile in the wall is flipped so that you can see it; if you have the number that is one more than that one and of the same suit, you earn extra points. < 1531080340 606462 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that means three things: firstly you aren't always allowed to empty your hand, there are conditions depending on what combinations you'd have on the table for whether that's allowed or not; secondly I think there are options for whether you discard a stone in the turn you do that or not and one of those options is rare; and there's some spec < 1531080340 746129 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ial rule about using another player's discard differently if you're emptying your hand < 1531080473 61352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "emptying your hand" means you expose all of your tiles because you win, that is true in any mahjong game. You usually have to make a regular hand, there are also some irregular hands, and you never discard a stone on the turn you win (if self-drawn; if you win by someone's discard, you take that one and it completes your hand; a complete hand is always 14 tiles plus the number of four of a kind) < 1531080504 498491 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1531080536 166901 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, by emptying your hand I mean you put all your stones on the battlefield from your hand and end the game < 1531080579 515342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1531080667 20654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some versions there are other conditions that you need to win too, such as in Japanese game you need to have a yaku as well as forming a regular hand (irregular hands automatically have a yaku) < 1531081016 769693 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1531081516 514605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56528&oldid=55166 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+25) 10/* Uhm, "program", It looks like a "programming language" to me */ > 1531081630 659296 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Insane Esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56529&oldid=55481 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+30) 10 < 1531081974 575690 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531082109 952813 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531082990 24068 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vnbkdlmkgyeubckw QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531083025 598 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wzpkkpvsezyehcad QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531084414 676760 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531086095 635428 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jfsgjnkvzhlvgune JOIN :#esoteric < 1531086099 842151 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jusvjcqkmdfsxuyb JOIN :#esoteric < 1531086702 187064 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531087240 279132 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531087848 650185 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531087877 847396 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531088123 161278 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/MzvC/text well I made a quarter of an RPN calculator with unary... < 1531088771 197692 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see anything else you can do with string rewrite systems. maybe it's because I'm unoriginal, but it seems like you just end up reducing things to machine-like semantics anyway. < 1531089037 965765 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :over traditional TMs, they just buy you extra context and the opportunity for concurrency/parallelism. < 1531089044 379371 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nondeterminism. < 1531089088 285538 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't buy you expressivity outside of that. there are no alternative ways of expressing things like the above other than machine descriptons. < 1531089213 861570 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because I'm specifying semantics, rather than syntax. < 1531089253 450217 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, I'm _reducing_ semantics to rewrite operations, instead of solely specifying valid syntactical forms. < 1531089583 484097 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531089951 843114 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the term used for what I'm doing would be operational semantics. < 1531090318 896946 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is I can't wrap my head around graph rewriting without some kind of variable binding scheme. you can't do graph rewriting without specifying subgraphs, so how do you specify the "shape" of a given part of the graph without resorting to variables representing nodes or edges. < 1531090366 183975 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe kolmogorov machines or their ilk provide some light on that but I didn't immediately see how to reduce general graph pattern matching + rewriting to them. < 1531090604 934759 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531090809 960917 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1531090827 22073 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531090899 917852 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531092762 250615 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531093414 103886 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531093978 545046 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531094248 472077 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531094764 388592 :totallymoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :instantmoonys < 1531096516 556304 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1531096707 695110 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531096850 13574 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531097246 296583 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531097520 293392 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531098558 370868 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531099115 473094 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531099483 194944 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Quit: This page is intentionally left blank. < 1531099678 22300 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1531100065 562542 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531102496 552755 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531102934 722963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have two bugs in SQLite that I have reported have been fixed (and one mistake in the documentation I have reported has been fixed). < 1531103687 799983 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531104005 754765 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531104574 646007 :instantmoonys!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :probablymoony < 1531104654 947101 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531105200 661356 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1531105345 953197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1531105971 328257 :user24!~void@p20030088690A3700186E7049DC4BA41C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531107180 449059 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531107702 470573 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531107869 491487 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531108444 710241 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531108686 243546 :user24!~void@p20030088690A3700186E7049DC4BA41C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1531109030 610032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Far14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56530&oldid=56513 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+6) 10wikify a couple things < 1531109145 896612 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531109323 291983 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531110111 336220 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531110165 501736 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is mail from esolang working? < 1531110178 545588 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh never mind, it just arrived < 1531110309 100595 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to see if he's receiving mail from other places than agora < 1531110328 98583 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although since the bounces are intermittent, this is not very reliable... < 1531110381 303868 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531111013 885929 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531111220 679156 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531112187 713365 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531112926 387184 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531113092 779031 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1531113334 529019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56531&oldid=55036 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+7408) 10Putting this here for showing someone and i'll ask the owner if it's ok to replace his whole page. > 1531113355 472778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56532&oldid=56531 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-7408) 10Cleared, I'll use the link to before this edit to show it off. < 1531113405 628948 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wthhjpqzcptitakb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531113489 113126 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks a sneak < 1531114093 726591 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531114801 154426 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531114962 7865 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531116561 41729 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531116706 529834 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531116849 973273 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531116872 777197 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531116927 678676 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531117673 278567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: boo! < 1531117708 215402 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1531117886 63287 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint-e. < 1531117941 872063 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarvek can be a bit reckless... < 1531117978 689224 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, europa cuisine remains weird even outside mechanicsburg. < 1531118111 116640 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last one is technically for today, but not very spoilery.) < 1531118634 404100 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531118825 700879 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531118878 922877 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric > 1531119138 388015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56533&oldid=56488 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+716) 10Three zeros works a bit better < 1531119298 185806 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the
part gets a bit squeezed, but it's there. < 1531119373 456555 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pondering re-bingeing GG in order to catch up and make another attempt at following it < 1531119387 688330 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent plan < 1531119431 72887 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so looong < 1531119436 833228 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION occasionally ruins his sleeping plans by binging a few sections. < 1531119532 448154 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think last I read was fairly soon after they got onto the train < 1531119557 623640 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whch was probably ... a year and a half ago realtime, or so < 1531119560 52329 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe two < 1531119560 573037 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only about 3 years ago hth < 1531119569 621483 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1531119594 898139 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the characters lampshaded how long it had been in-comic, not too long ago < 1531119609 454066 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1531119632 866392 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long the plot will be < 1531119645 140766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's an easy way to waste a weekend ;-) < 1531119657 650451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "spend" ;-) < 1531119680 916407 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :One weekend might possibly be enough to catch up, but deifnitely not if I want to re-read from the start < 1531119711 165311 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is tempting, since I've forgotten a lot of plot bits) < 1531119722 150554 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if Archive Binge is still working, and whether it ever supported girl genius < 1531119792 284617 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmm's Archive Binge, that is, apparently someone else has started something by the same name < 1531119800 145774 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when I first binged GG it probably took me a week or two of fairly focused bingeing during a summer break < 1531119857 755495 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a second readthrough might be somewhat more skimmy since I probably mostly need reminders of the plot < 1531120046 830365 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first started it was still divided into two "classes", because they didn't put all the old pre-web comics on the web immediately < 1531120132 336524 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there were in effect first one binge for the oldest part, then several months (years) of individual posts, until one glorious day when the old class caught up to the new one. < 1531120183 362537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see.. 2350 strips... at 1min/strip (which is low) is about 40h... a weekend may not be enough anymore ;-) < 1531120215 828978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1531120248 333194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, hrm I forgot how they handled the transition < 1531120256 608511 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the words of moloch von zinzer, "...how is _possible_ that this could surprise _any_ of you people?" < 1531120261 236560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from GG 101 to GG) < 1531120275 260003 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka through a month of server crashes and quota run-outs < 1531120293 531309 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20121126 < 1531120332 246836 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "badly, but they got better" < 1531120339 624225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought that the archive *now* just has 3 stips a week since 20021104 < 1531120346 114872 :probablymoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :extremelymoony < 1531120390 169018 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time machines are such useful devices < 1531120438 775160 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting < 1531120490 468112 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531120517 413127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Far14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56534 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+266) 10Created page with "== Stacks == There are several commands which refer to "the stack". I assume this is Stack0, but if so I can't see any way to change Stack1. Is there a way to change which sta..." < 1531120703 24081 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531120977 706806 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531121254 721346 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531121279 713573 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531121376 326408 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531122029 661628 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531122406 392624 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531122569 728867 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531124254 241906 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531124454 88117 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531124751 832147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531124752 86740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531124752 103318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531126177 135139 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531126341 276797 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531127263 620430 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531127598 596566 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531128181 956603 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531128290 383833 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531128968 565906 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531129435 287026 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531129481 357864 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice! which two (bugs in SQLite)? I also have two, the int-float comparison bug, and some statement parser thing. < 1531129568 866002 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531130063 290803 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531130211 270069 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531130337 674147 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531130379 947162 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1531130787 683126 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531131008 332089 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1531131340 831157 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531131985 350429 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531132140 338445 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531132853 361368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Far14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56535&oldid=56534 5* 03Ais523 5* (+314) 10a guess as to what this means < 1531133947 848458 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531134111 341600 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531134857 917953 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531135216 542507 :test!b2e91c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.233.28.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531135223 442107 :test!b2e91c60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.233.28.96 QUIT :Client Quit < 1531135849 462998 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531136069 845116 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531137414 252947 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531137845 549834 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531137990 370968 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531139743 814678 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531139931 334750 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531140013 68159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Nobody14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56536&oldid=54921 5* 03Nobody 5* (+33) 10 < 1531140681 877997 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ygvawqtvafsgevvc JOIN :#esoteric > 1531141229 835418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56537&oldid=56433 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+48) 10/* Other built-in functions */ < 1531141233 770005 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531141383 702218 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531141470 215830 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1531141494 399336 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531141563 924369 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1531141661 235987 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531141847 795287 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531141981 305377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531143163 581993 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531143655 539575 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531143765 360172 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531144145 388113 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-190-54-130.range86-190.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531145496 688944 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531145735 680151 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531147431 706951 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531147603 306688 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531149071 403751 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531149185 399152 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531149264 137539 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531149283 820880 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531149479 720581 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531150290 332536 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531151121 899169 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531151209 47161 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531151421 310096 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531152572 298490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56538&oldid=45837 5* 03SnoringFrog 5* (+59) 10/* External resources */ < 1531153065 565549 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531153103 637525 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531153301 776619 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531154954 941792 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531155084 62394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: One is a problem with functions using sqlite3_set_auxdata() in triggers, the other one is if an authorizer callback denies some steps of creating a WITHOUT ROWID table it will segfault. < 1531155171 298756 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531156182 288925 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531156626 304085 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dhqxaekqpwvduauq QUIT :Excess Flood < 1531156714 174955 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tjahonlbpyhsnqml JOIN :#esoteric < 1531156736 296572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531156763 575150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the newly updated Magic Tournament Rules are now actually clear enough to work out what happens if someone sets up a Turing Machine < 1531156782 171872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens is: you have to play it out (unless someone concedes) up until it repeats a previous state < 1531156802 853916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this overrides the bit of the comprehensive rules which makes the game a draw if it has no way to end, though < 1531156903 920864 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531157031 585248 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531157036 713985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1531157038 289757 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1531157051 438608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:22] imode: you can't encode arbitrary graphs in eodermdrome, only ones with 26 vertices or less; to encode a graph of that size, you just come up with an arbitrary path that goes through every point (this is easy as you can retrace your steps if necessary), letter every point, and write out the letters in order < 1531157052 983522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:23] 104.4b If a game that’s not using the limited range of influence option (including a two-player game) somehow enters a “loop” of mandatory actions, repeating a sequence of events with no way to stop, the game is a draw. Loops that contain an optional action don’t result in a draw. < 1531157057 308613 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531157090 514942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, arguably 104.4b doesn't cause a draw in the case of a nontrivial infinite loop either < 1531157173 115627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, the whole point of this construction is that there are no actions in the loop < 1531157179 869393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just triggered abilities triggering each other in a chain < 1531157192 865387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might lead to problems related to, say, the three Oblivion Ring loop, which also contains no actions < 1531157388 430599 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531157415 457645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1531157429 5253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531157824 293427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531157824 559890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531157824 576295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531157842 722029 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks for the info! I guess I'm wondering if there's a possibility using a larger (possibly infinite) alphabet. < 1531157876 699210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the format generalises easily enough < 1531157881 859634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not very convenient to work with < 1531157942 445085 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to notice that. graph rewriting isn't as elegant as I thought. < 1531157999 776988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more usable if you have labelled nodes < 1531158022 892153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome is basically a tarpitisation that unlabels them, meaning that you have to attach little subgraphs to the nodes to tell them apart < 1531158115 222760 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that honestly sounds cool, because you can craft labels by attaching differently shaped subgraphs to nodes. < 1531158134 24415 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it doesn't.. really buy you any expressiveness. < 1531158173 392217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's the tarpit approach < 1531158176 774309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplicity over usability < 1531158204 610157 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I asked you about encoding arbitrary graphs was that I'm trying to take the approach of simplicity first, usability later. < 1531158250 276841 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to develop a graph-rewriting language with something like kolmogorov machines as a basis, and compile larger, more complex rules down to it. < 1531158283 921674 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't find any other methods that don't use variable binding. < 1531158348 616775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the simplest way to make it somewhat usable would be eodermdrome except that the nodes remember which letter they have < 1531158366 433580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably using identifiers rather than letters so you have an infinite supply < 1531158411 290186 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531158427 351479 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was thinking initially. I haven't looked into how to do/translate useful algorithms (like binary incrementation, or whatever the hell I've been doing with SRSs) over to eodermdrome yet. < 1531158519 203888 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapping my head around it hasn't been that fruitful. yet. :P < 1531158523 965684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably want to add explicit syntax for wildcards in the patterns, too, to make things more readable < 1531158538 273773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just "anything that exists on both sides is a wildcard" < 1531158790 685918 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531158806 353068 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the concept is that every vertex in the graph is uniquely addressable from every other vertex. rewriting is always local to the first node specified in a rule, so you take a path through the graph. < 1531158841 285331 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you then replace the matched path with the new one from the rule set, adding or removing nodes as needed. < 1531158883 709008 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a neat way of handling cycle creation. < 1531158956 770099 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531158957 905489 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I were to go with identifiers/words, I wonder what constructing something like a labeled tree would look like. < 1531159060 634961 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531159062 742464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1531159748 891609 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531160430 645372 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it weird that pointer machines are so obscure. < 1531160688 252676 :wob_jonas!b03f1945@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531160703 550849 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531160841 273795 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531161087 881630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Even so I would think that unless you use subgames it doesn't make it more than Turing-complete (although it still makes it impossible to actually implement). Since it will end in a "implicit draw" even without such a rule (although omitting the rule would mean that a subgame getting in a infinite loop would end the main game in such a "implicit draw" instead of the subgame). < 1531161104 84350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not keep track of the Magic Tournament rules. < 1531161122 754566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do keep track of the game rules whenever they change, though.) < 1531161170 195204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game would go on forever if there is no rule to stop it, and because of that, it ends in a "implicit draw", that it goes on forever, I should think > 1531161331 965357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56539&oldid=56532 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+9911) 10Showing creator of surtic for review. < 1531161342 523625 :wob_jonas!b03f1945@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn, I missed ais again > 1531161351 911581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56540&oldid=56539 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-9911) 10Clearing, using edit link to old page to show it. < 1531161425 192826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I told you now what bugs I reported have been fixed in SQLite, as you have asked > 1531161431 200072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TLOWScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56541&oldid=54417 5* 03ZM 5* (+41) 10Update links < 1531161447 273359 :wob_jonas!b03f1945@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, see it in the log < 1531161549 642244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the reply to my report (the reply also includes my original message): https://www.mail-archive.com/sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org/msg111043.html < 1531161591 311039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlit 471 < 1531161592 282211 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: smlit: not found < 1531161595 406925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 471 < 1531161596 234127 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 471: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale > 1531161854 796609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56542&oldid=56537 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-23) 10/* Loops & Blocks */ < 1531162488 293524 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531162572 296517 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531162687 641271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56543&oldid=56528 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-199) 10Deleted, because I wanted to. < 1531162778 691162 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531164078 995816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531164274 965513 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531164543 292454 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531164648 504519 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531164741 345208 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531164748 528999 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0799 bottles of beer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56544&oldid=54598 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+9) 10Looked like it was suppose to be one whole code block. < 1531165114 412028 :wob_jonas!b03f1945@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.69 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531165191 286288 :wob_jonas!b03f1945@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531165204 989251 :wob_jonas!b03f1945@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.69 QUIT :Client Quit < 1531165504 808157 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1531165505 958518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Talk:Surtic10]]": Author request: all revisions were by [[User:Galaxtone]] < 1531165762 320996 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... no page for Funge Wars on the wiki. > 1531165776 379333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56545&oldid=56533 5* 03Ais523 5* (+773) 10the main section doesn't work in that example because it's not large enough to fit a reference to anything but the bootstrap < 1531166037 935523 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FungeWars or Fungewars or BefungeWars? https://sourceforge.net/projects/fungewars/?source=typ_redirect https://github.com/electrodude/fungewars http://www.phlamethrower.co.uk/befunge/befwars.php < 1531166385 630983 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531166500 637134 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531166656 316759 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531168041 913795 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jfsgjnkvzhlvgune QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531168077 984734 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jusvjcqkmdfsxuyb QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531168374 679035 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531168521 282017 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531169006 627223 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zyrczuycfqstfafq JOIN :#esoteric < 1531169014 422881 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ugstcqxkgpdmrjez JOIN :#esoteric > 1531170015 650104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fungewars14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56546 5* 03Impomatic 5* (+509) 10Create page < 1531170323 107616 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531170484 303007 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531171137 967189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56547&oldid=56453 5* 03Impomatic 5* (+110) 10/* External resources */ link to Mutato < 1531171189 883634 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531171208 77344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56548&oldid=56547 5* 03Impomatic 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */ moved link to correct section < 1531171327 769113 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The programming language used by Tierra probably meets the definition of an esoteric programming language - " a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas" < 1531172203 225884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language is that? < 1531172212 215596 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531172361 278794 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531172446 464143 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 there's a description of it here http://korsu.mbnet.fi/tierra.html < 1531172589 639551 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531172952 635238 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531173172 628189 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531173969 89460 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531174034 470053 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531174105 202078 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531174283 681877 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531176004 688978 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531176171 263837 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531176276 834489 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: AFTER CHICKEN < 1531176864 854596 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: predicated rules for SRS. "if all these patterns are present in the string, apply this rule." < 1531177094 983784 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... <::> -> < 1531177921 433498 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531178066 787929 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531178472 256532 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531178715 315370 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531179681 912408 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531179868 716931 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531180041 289623 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531180111 890392 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1531180657 42176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 10 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Got SIGIRL, dying... > 1531197308 37370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07++Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56550 5* 03A 5* (+1180) 10Created page with "{| class="wikitable" !Command !Description |- | style="text-align:center"| > |Move the pointer to the right |- | style="text-align:center"| < |..." < 1531197441 336238 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531197621 276986 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531197855 640528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stupid14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56551 5* 03A 5* (+1487) 10Created page with "'''Stupid''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]], and is made up entirely of variables. Each line is just a case-sensitive variable name, followed by ..." > 1531198323 438448 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stupid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56552&oldid=56551 5* 03A 5* (+50) 10 > 1531198880 143439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56553&oldid=50307 5* 03A 5* (+116) 10/* Miscellaneous */ > 1531199042 168356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stupid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56554&oldid=56552 5* 03A 5* (-457) 10 > 1531199090 380929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stupid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56555&oldid=56554 5* 03A 5* (-27) 10 < 1531199278 292666 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531199431 169717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56556&oldid=56518 5* 03A 5* (+47) 10/* Stlang */ > 1531199511 982131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stupid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56557&oldid=56555 5* 03A 5* (-84) 10 < 1531199516 687919 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531199607 838064 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stupid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56558&oldid=56557 5* 03A 5* (-123) 10 > 1531200606 793105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bit Stupid14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56559 5* 03A 5* (+371) 10Created page with "'''Bit Stupid''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]]. {| class="wikitable" |- | , || inputs the register. |- | . || outputs a varia..." > 1531200708 414685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56560&oldid=56556 5* 03A 5* (+28) 10/* Bitoven */ > 1531200834 460189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56561&oldid=56560 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Bit Stupid */ > 1531200908 303888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bit Stupid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56562&oldid=56559 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10 > 1531201121 397139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56563&oldid=56561 5* 03A 5* (+49) 10/* Bit Stupid */ < 1531201180 773043 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531201398 328321 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531201553 854336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stop14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56564 5* 03A 5* (+335) 10Created page with "'''Stop''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]]. {| class="wikitable" |- | , || inputs the register. |- | : || starts a do...w..." > 1531201632 775791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56565&oldid=56563 5* 03A 5* (+21) 10/* Stlang */ < 1531201655 753958 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531203094 695558 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531203299 816675 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531203604 184040 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pksrvwbnahtzvwwr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531203981 954777 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531203991 789840 :hakatashi2!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531204575 491352 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531204761 266593 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531205075 763698 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531205271 314277 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531205899 175152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Braine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56566 5* 03A 5* (+277) 10Created page with "== Instructions == {| class="wikitable" | > || Increment the current byte and move the pointer right. Overflows to 0 when gets 255. |- | < || Brainfuck < |- | style="text-alig..." > 1531205963 405685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Braine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56567&oldid=56566 5* 03A 5* (-57) 10/* Instructions */ < 1531206128 259678 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531206947 298935 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531207101 251088 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531207199 744855 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531208475 329115 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531208565 822178 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric > 1531208586 430515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Something?Oops!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56568 5* 03A 5* (+776) 10Created page with "'''Something?Oops!''' is a simple esolang by [[User:Ihope127]]. The syntax is as follows: Statement: "?Oops" Identifier: A nonnegative integer or a va..." < 1531208846 755305 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531208969 23594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Something?Oops!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56569&oldid=56568 5* 03A 5* (+103) 10 > 1531208996 981079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Something?Oops!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56570&oldid=56569 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10/* Example */ < 1531209083 305977 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531209192 136615 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56571&oldid=56565 5* 03A 5* (+92) 10/* Solo */ > 1531209283 819165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Something?Oops!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56572&oldid=56570 5* 03A 5* (-7) 10 < 1531209426 701483 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1531209885 973187 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric > 1531210462 633584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56573&oldid=56553 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-116) 10Undo revision 56553 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) (New suggestions should go on talk page) > 1531210612 281600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56574&oldid=56115 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+245) 10/* Simplification */ new section < 1531210694 389830 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531210707 283895 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1531210748 58007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Igorrto 5* 10New user account < 1531210760 261398 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531210957 669647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531210958 213035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531210958 213090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531210982 703058 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531211154 291589 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56575&oldid=56461 5* 03Igorrto 5* (+187) 10/* Introductions */ < 1531211211 290386 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531211598 810666 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531212349 822553 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531212459 765587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56576&oldid=56545 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+767) 10It does seem difficult < 1531212601 833234 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531212622 725732 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ldebgurmxhibdkar JOIN :#esoteric < 1531212628 186113 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1531212630 175746 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1531212765 577005 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531212778 890116 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531212825 576845 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531212861 337808 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esketit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56577 5* 03Igorrto 5* (+837) 10Created page with "'''Esketit''' is an esoteric programming language that is designed to look like Lil Pumps song "Esketit". ==Syntax== Code always starts with CB on the beat ===Declaring va..." < 1531212951 290173 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531213191 595102 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1531213474 143897 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531213580 842681 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531213900 469661 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531214692 733116 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531214882 782152 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531216481 555085 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531216623 674310 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531216761 305114 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531218545 916613 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531218711 295662 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531220428 947843 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531220615 761475 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531221136 587766 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531222347 714988 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531222521 274007 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531224084 78933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531224243 46110 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531224436 210198 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531226145 476001 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531226348 694870 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531228038 14027 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531228161 275031 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531229847 294048 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531229964 942931 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531230170 675992 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531231878 108134 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531232022 298762 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531233703 289647 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531233914 756332 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531234744 549977 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ldebgurmxhibdkar QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531235633 963074 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531235841 301419 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531236372 461025 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tjahonlbpyhsnqml QUIT :Excess Flood < 1531236438 17936 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dggjdwdkgyuavixy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531237189 591801 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531237519 102689 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531237735 308915 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531238514 634133 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531238645 392708 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531238745 397147 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531238826 319118 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531239571 759360 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531239771 318569 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531239959 747514 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531240052 218015 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1531240129 818051 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531240144 868936 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1531240580 213877 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric > 1531241372 844799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56578&oldid=56542 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+6195) 10Page redone and approved by creator. < 1531241498 526001 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-146-060-044-180.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1531241557 865381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56579&oldid=56571 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+15) 10Updated Surtic language, Updated truth-machine program. < 1531242148 847946 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-146-060-044-180.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1531242264 8558 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-146-060-044-180.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunderstorm > 1531243617 239034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56580&oldid=56578 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+2) 10Final change of string commands > 1531243743 939314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56581&oldid=56580 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+274) 10Final change to reference commands > 1531244062 338210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56582&oldid=56581 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+236) 10Added some more details. < 1531244444 334122 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-146-060-044-180.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531244445 625555 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1531244671 846545 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56583&oldid=56027 5* 03Igorrto 5* (+90) 10/* General languages */ > 1531244729 889810 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56584&oldid=56582 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+628) 10Added some rules for I/O handling and such... > 1531244905 303094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56585&oldid=56584 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-166) 10/* C */ > 1531244960 403467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56586&oldid=56585 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+7) 10Fixed small formatting issue. > 1531245233 488770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56587&oldid=56586 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-158) 10Ok, I'm done, Reviewed it twice, It's done, If anyone notices small errors, Please fix. > 1531245787 627079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56588&oldid=56574 5* 03Ais523 5* (+579) 10/* Simplification */ too subjective < 1531245831 831415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531245892 490060 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1531246513 680997 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56589&oldid=56576 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1140) 10I think I've found a solution < 1531246633 113272 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1531246678 387221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Braine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56590&oldid=56567 5* 03Ais523 5* (+38) 10add a line break; this is a straightforward example of an FSM > 1531246702 878909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Braine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56591&oldid=56590 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10fix cat name > 1531247063 540423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Something?Oops!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56592 5* 03Ais523 5* (+965) 10the computational class question here is pretty interesting < 1531247191 812982 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531247479 546657 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, edit conflict > 1531247886 286789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56593&oldid=56589 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+207) 10Ninjaed < 1531247937 761197 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531250469 876337 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531251194 24848 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531251309 741360 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1531252636 292966 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531253912 2027 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Something?Oops!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56594&oldid=56592 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1292) 10it's at least a PDA, there's only one operation that might make it a bit more powerful than that < 1531255794 511196 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com PART :#esoteric < 1531255922 383223 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1531256218 544538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Something?Oops!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56595&oldid=56594 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1712) 10actually TC under some reasonable guesses as to negative-IP behaviour < 1531256759 711133 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1531257307 268573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56596&oldid=56587 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* B */ > 1531257335 985836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56597&oldid=56596 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1) 10/* S */ > 1531257389 465927 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56598&oldid=56597 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+59) 10/* Loop Statements */ < 1531257535 802951 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531257562 340734 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531257942 744874 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531259707 302321 :brandons1n!~brandon@208.91.114.1 NICK :brandonson < 1531263136 667946 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531263171 353191 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531263386 472891 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531264207 719877 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkykuulxtqpoiych JOIN :#esoteric < 1531264614 965404 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:357d:3ed7:b98:8cba PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1531264672 944123 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531265364 965342 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eternal nostril. < 1531265365 234266 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um i actually had met somebody just somebody like me to < 1531267047 105341 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531267167 720212 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531267194 684793 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531267966 9847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531268964 74631 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531269113 302902 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531269468 663314 :boily_!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531269468 898869 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531269977 302537 :boily_!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net NICK :boily < 1531270809 867096 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1531270868 621878 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531271031 346621 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531272363 131222 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531272462 206186 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531272648 520874 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SPELLBOOK CHICKEN < 1531272746 934777 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531272953 701375 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531274640 296177 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531274855 296365 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531276267 948969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing-machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56599 5* 03A 5* (+939) 10Created page with "==Syntax== All of the rules look like this: cnd.num.:cnd.direction num like: Q1:E<0 If the condition is Q, and the number on the tape is 1, the change the cond..." > 1531276475 772420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56600&oldid=56599 5* 03A 5* (+87) 10/* Computation */ < 1531276633 716542 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531276821 340659 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531276903 670093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56601&oldid=56579 5* 03A 5* (+57) 10/* Turth-machine */ < 1531278544 716107 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531278712 310692 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531279356 222366 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1531280419 118616 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531280571 307997 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531280938 8379 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531281009 597817 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric > 1531282071 371654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56602&oldid=56549 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+207) 10Fixed Popular Problems example < 1531282251 23817 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531282469 691865 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531283283 72239 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531283374 662808 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531284140 163324 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531284321 277824 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531285394 825149 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531286000 806248 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531286213 866994 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531286787 688759 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531287733 737985 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531287907 768486 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531288101 335747 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531289818 443935 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531289996 699585 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531290837 672488 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531291924 79432 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531292091 335529 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531293819 763532 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531294024 309685 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531295293 604524 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531295693 33649 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531295885 783951 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531296154 665202 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531296697 189345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531296697 462575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531296697 462619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1531297151 604901 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esketit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56603&oldid=56577 5* 03Igorrto 5* (+155) 10Added alternative Hello World > 1531297174 182136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esketit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56604&oldid=56603 5* 03Igorrto 5* (+6) 10/* Hello World(alternative) */ < 1531297557 676990 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531297765 314341 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531298269 187324 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531298589 488962 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531299289 756261 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531299388 244553 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531299439 494512 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531299651 343887 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531300106 977509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56605&oldid=56600 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+65) 10Confusing name, and no. < 1531300330 471797 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he'd had states and symbols reversed, it would be more troublesome because of ais523's proof. < 1531300456 926178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has "turing" and "machine" right in the name < 1531300599 253903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new esolang is a turing machine with any number of states but only one symbol, is it tc twh < 1531301373 13668 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531301540 693350 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531301694 110989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it is equivalent to some turing machines so it's totally tc hth < 1531301884 337048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the symbol is an unholy pentagram that summons a demon to do your bidding < 1531301889 575305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are pentagrams good luck or bad luck < 1531301912 670587 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531301923 588142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you tried #esoteric on DAL.net? < 1531301945 333540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1531301946 775062 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1531301984 726779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you like Day convolution? < 1531302006 64736 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know it very well < 1531302087 798179 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531302185 998740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about regular convolution < 1531302208 707138 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all seems a bit convoluted to me < 1531302246 395232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I motivate tensor covariance and contravariance for someone who's used to thinking of tensors as arrays of numbers? < 1531302329 17937 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start by showing them some things that behave as tensors but aren't arrays of numbers? < 1531302409 499976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I understand tensor covariance and contravariance myself? < 1531302420 371744 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531302423 917208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sense of it but it's not as helpful as I'd like. < 1531302451 812241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how should I think of a double-contravariant tensor T^i^j? < 1531302462 872028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_i^j and T_i_j both make more sense to me. < 1531302473 297609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find a bunch of examples and prove the relevant laws until you get an intuition for it < 1531302487 775803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out of my depth here by quite a way, I'm afraid < 1531302619 53912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1531302660 494251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :These abstractions are like monads, in the sense that most analogies are going to be misleading < 1531302692 328317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also like monads in that monads are a kind of tensor in the appropriate category. < 1531302698 271865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or a family of tensors?) < 1531302744 187160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(T^x_{j_i} for each i in N. Or something.) < 1531302761 957071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about trace, how should I think of that? < 1531303206 794189 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531303401 279214 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531303588 677170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a really bad intuition for trace < 1531303684 928859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bsaed on the category of bi-directional circuits < 1531303823 430783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trace in most categories makes sense. < 1531303830 218898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean most traced monoidal categories. < 1531303844 334491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's hard to translate that intuition to vector spaces. < 1531304018 89465 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1531304706 733735 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531305135 21752 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531305323 809758 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531305828 857572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: monoids and comonoids are also just kinds of tensor families hth < 1531305883 174478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is trace for the category of endofunctors with composition? < 1531305893 931902 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :trace? < 1531305918 210975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of monoidal categories have traces. < 1531306030 342770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Maybe not this one, though. < 1531306074 462423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would look like (forall a. u (f a) -> u (g a)) -> f a -> g a < 1531306080 486371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (forall a. f (u a) -> g (u a)) -> f a -> g a < 1531306205 691255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need dual objects to have trace,r ight? < 1531306242 411663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, trace is more general. < 1531306255 372831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have duals you can define it in terms of them, though. < 1531306280 136246 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you're going to tell me categories have determinants < 1531306298 351373 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not ;) < 1531306302 992175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so sure about determinant. < 1531306311 942040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like trace is more fundamental but also I don't understand it. < 1531306335 358843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have tensor product and trace you can define composition in terms of that. < 1531306343 200457 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just multiply (end) all eigenvalues < 1531306408 515814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the trace the coend of eigenvalues? < 1531306416 839996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are eigenvalues? < 1531306554 739296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what scalars are, I guess. < 1531306678 261334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if f : A -> A and x : I -> A and k : I -> I, and f . x = x . k, then x is an eigenelement of f with eigenvalue k? < 1531306710 836570 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkykuulxtqpoiych QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531306806 112846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that all? < 1531307026 923153 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531307161 302154 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531308064 348703 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I just made it up < 1531308190 60070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the end thing would mean but I think there might be something to this definition of eigenvalues. < 1531308204 291855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the only scalar is id, then this gives you the usual definition of fixed points. < 1531308244 647992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So that's what you get if your tensor is categorical product.) < 1531308315 750636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what does it mean to add eigenvalues? < 1531308339 198965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplying them is easier. < 1531308360 936942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just compose them, I guess, because scalars commute. (Or you can tensor them and probably get the same thing?) < 1531308409 822628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though what's the multiplicity of an eigenvalue? < 1531308921 921227 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531309145 807303 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531309371 951840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531310807 785494 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531311018 301697 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531312698 852842 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531312894 642664 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531312928 695368 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531313780 941755 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56606 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+569) 10Created page with "==Idea from [[User:Digital Hunter]]== Hey, this message is technically addressed to [[User:Galaxtone]], but anyone else is welcome to provide ideas and the like. Instead of u..." > 1531313921 159616 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56607&oldid=56598 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+92) 10 > 1531313987 130336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56608&oldid=56607 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ > 1531314006 859420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56609&oldid=56608 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+8) 10/* Examples */ > 1531314176 6350 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56610&oldid=56606 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+124) 10/* WHOOPS completely forgot about this */ new section > 1531314185 703385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56611&oldid=56610 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+101) 10/* WHOOPS completely forgot about this */ > 1531314343 829407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56612&oldid=56609 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* S */ < 1531314599 322989 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531314788 324828 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531315862 78424 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531315866 393690 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531316471 355638 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531316672 709895 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531318355 712811 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531318529 301276 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531318960 374840 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531320140 72454 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if you could write an elf binary that interprets a brainfuck program, and that elf binary can itself be interpreted as a brainfuck program to produce the same result < 1531320232 809411 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531320403 320919 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems fairly trivial actually? < 1531320441 282946 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531320449 479530 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not trivial < 1531320505 480850 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it feels like it's mostly just "write the non-bf program" -> "modify the code not to contain any of BF's control characters" -> "add the BF code in a data section" -> "verify that the ELF headers don't mess you up and, if they do, twiddle a bit until it works" > 1531320817 507290 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56613&oldid=56611 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-225) 10/* WHOOPS completely forgot about this */ > 1531321146 131238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56614&oldid=56612 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* S */ I made the call for concatenate K and the call for "set character at a point to value in a cell" P, so that they didn't get mixed up with C and S for cells and strings > 1531321264 45997 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56615&oldid=56605 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+78) 10 < 1531321334 871022 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: does that count as trivial in your books? < 1531321529 446965 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it's not trivial to do < 1531321531 816680 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a trivial problem < 1531321533 853408 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P > 1531321586 271181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56616&oldid=56614 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-1) 10/* If Statements */ idk but I think it'll make interpreters easier > 1531321616 267249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56617&oldid=56616 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Infinite Cat */ > 1531321889 118245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56618&oldid=56617 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+9) 10/* Instruction Syntax */ < 1531322113 965053 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531322327 693173 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531323175 693804 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-806.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531324143 541961 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531324266 563161 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531324329 309970 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531324397 808933 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fungewars14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56619&oldid=56546 5* 03Impomatic 5* (-1) 10punctuation < 1531324785 672091 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531324961 294705 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1531325060 482435 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1531325086 714312 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531325137 96141 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all. does anybody seen working example of something converting from DFA to regexp? using any method < 1531326032 300373 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531326231 272147 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531326688 411993 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtuzgnezkgrgvxar JOIN :#esoteric < 1531327804 649072 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-806.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531327963 482196 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531328157 332766 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531329140 697423 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531329285 790791 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531329377 328972 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531329442 696072 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531329886 303823 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531330026 589036 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531330049 733048 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531331698 772845 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: working code, or is the theory enough? < 1531331730 5188 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-806.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531331770 149203 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/2016/how-to-convert-finite-automata-to-regular-expressions has some discussion < 1531331776 267400 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some code < 1531331779 213706 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531331817 672326 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531331931 280386 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531333165 871960 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56620&oldid=56613 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+303) 10Replied and changed up the style so it's easier to look at. > 1531333219 564736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56621&oldid=56618 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+113) 10Added a note. > 1531333361 886807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56622&oldid=56621 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-528) 10Applied Suggestion #1 < 1531333404 979381 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531333700 457678 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531333870 359874 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531334901 871590 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-806.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1531335214 106123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56623&oldid=56615 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+167) 10Revert Plokmijnuhby's edit and explain why that's not enough to prove it non-TC (or else ''no'' Turing machine would be Turing-complete). < 1531335269 187373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1531335319 325969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56624&oldid=56622 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-1) 10Small change to syntax of string length command < 1531335390 491419 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531335521 986759 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531335522 590831 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531335637 184083 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtuzgnezkgrgvxar QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531335752 192978 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531335891 594404 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-806.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531336168 715297 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1531336221 523005 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transio14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56625 5* 03Bzim 5* (+7750) 10Created page on language (with standard). < 1531336277 298856 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531336282 444291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transio14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56626&oldid=56625 5* 03Bzim 5* (+21) 10 < 1531336282 662412 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric > 1531336827 637189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56627&oldid=56514 5* 03Bzim 5* (+14) 10 < 1531336960 3702 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1531336960 107192 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1531337348 671157 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1531337437 479136 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531337450 897245 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding today's GG, i predict Gil reacting like a stereotypical kid in a candy store. < 1531337494 899936 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, this is an easy prediction) < 1531337601 288121 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531337637 65276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will the intruder with pendre's (spelling?) lantern turn up? < 1531337665 696532 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1531337724 512671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prende, it is. < 1531337797 271066 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1531337822 406290 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: thanks, but I'm not that good to code these algos by myself :) > 1531337989 123042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transio14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56628&oldid=56626 5* 03Bzim 5* (+9) 10 < 1531338378 877355 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm right, they might want something from that place too... < 1531338404 607321 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-806.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531338498 651206 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531338827 4320 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: there's examples of code in there, though < 1531339327 985977 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531339526 746789 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531341213 63314 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531341235 734640 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I right lex/flex uses NFA because NFA can distinguish between "foo" and "fooo", while DFA is not? < 1531341352 771813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: No. NFAs and DFAs can recognize the same languages. An NFA may be exponentially smaller. < 1531341374 654460 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so regexp implementations, lex and flex uses NFA because of performance reasons? < 1531341386 888668 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because NFA is more suitable? < 1531341410 294734 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531341497 59368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know whether the premise is true. < 1531341573 440389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've answered the part of the question that I could answer.) < 1531341618 382397 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks < 1531341778 174922 :pir17!~alfalfa@unaffiliated/irrationalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1531341845 767306 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1531341846 629095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 112020Z 12005KT CAVOK 19/16 Q1018 RMK WIND 670FT 17006KT < 1531341908 662153 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531341950 555813 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSEA < 1531341950 861446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSEA 111953Z 36009KT 320V030 10SM FEW040 25/12 A3019 RMK AO2 SLP228 T02500122 > 1531341952 959850 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transio14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56629&oldid=56628 5* 03Bzim 5* (+511) 10Added turing completeness. < 1531342442 406064 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: “more suitable” is more general than “more expressive”, so someone could definitely say yes, NFA is more suitable in some context < 1531342482 314945 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is DFA in other context , too < 1531342505 338256 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: thanks < 1531342509 282757 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1531342860 135800 :pir17!~alfalfa@unaffiliated/irrationalist QUIT :Quit: . < 1531343086 178006 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531343135 396776 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531343236 610489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transio14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56630&oldid=56629 5* 03Bzim 5* (+129) 10Added categories < 1531343271 276981 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531343291 468474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531343333 601976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1531343346 569602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531343770 544146 :oerjan_!bc715ce1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.113.92.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531344200 757631 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531344734 681835 :mrrmx_!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531344784 779722 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531344836 662898 :mrrmx_!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531344854 565801 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531344997 653974 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531345181 781976 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531346988 159984 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531347111 265032 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531347233 845049 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1531347264 446097 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1531347288 409417 :oerjan_!bc715ce1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.113.92.225 QUIT :Quit: Etc. < 1531347413 48421 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1531347863 469184 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531348856 910562 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531349042 682664 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531349556 176783 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531350725 675378 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531350921 316346 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531352029 704199 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531352114 654037 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531352614 412260 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531352689 337562 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531352825 696958 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531353838 931179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531354307 544230 :wyldcraft!d031c2a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.49.194.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531354539 73614 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531354721 309394 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531355011 292838 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531355073 739592 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1531356459 8053 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531356614 878483 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531356647 688579 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531357902 560873 :wyldcraft!d031c2a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.49.194.162 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1531358398 521811 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531358549 293977 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531360250 89534 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531360461 267506 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531361944 277083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56631&oldid=56623 5* 03A 5* (+41) 10/* Computational class */ < 1531362473 663144 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531362554 653811 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531362725 331010 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531363547 402129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1531363708 520822 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ QUIT :Quit: CHEAPIE! What did you do to the bouncer?! :P (jk) < 1531363879 369428 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531364218 668316 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1531364462 918020 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531364617 784274 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett NICK :tswett < 1531364681 681020 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531366649 685263 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531366918 479639 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531367046 325768 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531368165 894774 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531368488 37862 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531368832 592425 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531368973 655712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56632 5* 03A 5* (+3251) 10Created page with "==Commands== -> Increment first register by n "" -> Push the unicode ids of the characters in..." < 1531368981 282848 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531369355 386703 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531369445 223183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56633&oldid=56632 5* 03A 5* (-743) 10/* Commands */ > 1531369652 140394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56634&oldid=56633 5* 03A 5* (-127) 10/* Commands */ > 1531370362 198254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56635&oldid=56634 5* 03A 5* (-748) 10/* Commands */ < 1531370402 761439 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com QUIT :Changing host < 1531370402 818255 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric > 1531370529 813062 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56636&oldid=56635 5* 03A 5* (-282) 10/* Commands */ > 1531370682 547785 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56637&oldid=56636 5* 03A 5* (-12) 10/* Commands */ > 1531370739 477903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56638&oldid=56637 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ < 1531370769 252815 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531370960 693906 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531372288 702838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531372688 730133 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531372891 694473 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1531372904 292411 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531373274 492665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56639&oldid=56638 5* 03A 5* (-219) 10/* Commands */ > 1531374581 44496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56640&oldid=55673 5* 03A 5* (+102) 10/* Tom's idea */ > 1531374640 420187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56641&oldid=56640 5* 03A 5* (+83) 10/* Someone should change the featured language. */ < 1531374654 932739 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531374817 43657 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56642&oldid=56641 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10/* Someone should change the featured language. */ < 1531374831 339804 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531374876 602027 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56643&oldid=56642 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Someone should change the featured language. */ < 1531375751 635329 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531375888 729750 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531376560 757451 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531376719 864012 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgfmhmzwvvgcvhgs JOIN :#esoteric < 1531376790 311991 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531378434 604636 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531378643 772079 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531379362 292605 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531379632 305008 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531379711 671530 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531380008 778446 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531380319 765894 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531380502 318355 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531381399 661969 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531381539 738866 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531382195 772732 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531382426 689664 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531382641 570671 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531384101 754445 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531384330 303657 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531385039 422534 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531385105 216062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531385105 454553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531385105 454597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531386026 516178 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531386209 770521 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531387544 518501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56644&oldid=56548 5* 03A 5* (+150) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1531387871 923771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56645&oldid=56644 5* 03A 5* (+87) 10/* Hello, World! */ < 1531387925 404785 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531388025 913922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56646&oldid=56447 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Brainfuck */ < 1531388061 292074 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531389793 853017 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531390014 305112 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531390017 316884 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531390053 320827 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgfmhmzwvvgcvhgs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531390060 698374 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1531390379 215104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lvl 5* 10New user account > 1531390583 433860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56647&oldid=56575 5* 03Lvl 5* (+170) 10 < 1531391002 656182 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:50a:c0fa:7f4e:e79b JOIN :#esoteric < 1531391023 11662 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:50a:c0fa:7f4e:e79b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531391683 967102 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531391903 690995 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531393567 513305 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531393622 331219 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531393755 311838 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531395451 761256 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531395647 689581 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531397336 763284 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531397511 304249 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531397737 319261 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1531398149 79633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tip14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56648 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15510) 10new language! > 1531398180 763234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56649&oldid=56627 5* 03Ais523 5* (+10) 10/* T */ +[[Tip]] > 1531398213 696354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56650&oldid=56649 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10/* T */ apparently I can't alphabetise today > 1531398237 448068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56651&oldid=56484 5* 03Ais523 5* (+9) 10+[[Tip]] < 1531398292 720273 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric > 1531398363 250072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56652&oldid=56164 5* 03Ais523 5* (+103) 10/* List of OISCs */ +[[Tip]] < 1531399231 325906 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531399398 442160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531399430 703885 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531400932 273068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56653&oldid=56648 5* 03Ais523 5* (+194) 10external resources; also a clarification to what initial IP values are allowed < 1531401035 53122 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Tip seems neat! < 1531401035 229433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1531401109 802340 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531401295 305907 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531401840 100465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56654&oldid=56653 5* 03Ais523 5* (-159) 10/* External resources */ rm section; the content at the link was wrong (and was taken down as a result), meaning the section's now blank. Hopefully this will be fixable. > 1531402948 214506 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56655&oldid=56654 5* 03Ais523 5* (+159) 10complex undo revision 56654 by [[Special:Contributions/Ais523|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523|talk]]): issue now fixed, although unfortunately it cost an extra byte :-( < 1531403023 257566 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531403213 701708 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531403555 722955 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531403642 846570 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1531403711 83543 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531403739 124742 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Opponent has a Sigarda, Host of Herons and a Seedborn Muse and three Amoeboid changelings, each but the Sigarda enchanted by a Diplomatic immunity. In each upkeep, Opponent uses Amoeboids to make Sigarda and Muse have all creature types. How do you clear his table with your Omnitell once you go off? < 1531403739 331122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1531403862 454645 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 More importantly, given that the Omnitell deck runs eight wishes, how can you be sure that it's still tournament-viable after you replace much of its sideboard? < 1531403862 759473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1531403894 70763 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since apparently ais523 still only comes in during the night when I must sleep to be able to work the next day, I'll try tell instead of catching him online. < 1531403915 945974 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, catching him on IRC. Because he does keep editing the wiki during the day. < 1531403968 884104 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going on IRC during the work day is probably sensible < 1531404142 661370 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, but he _could_ go to IRC in the evening. < 1531404189 175228 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course < 1531404295 497164 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which were those two esolangs where the instruction pointer moves in a 2-plane like in fungeoids, but can be at rational points, not constrained to a grid? < 1531404340 182785 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one of them had no or very little state other than its instruction pointer I think. < 1531404351 425475 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking because Tip reminds me of that. > 1531404425 201660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Collatz function14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56656&oldid=51400 5* 03Ais523 5* (+24) 10/* See also */ +[[Tip]] < 1531404944 557487 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531405131 281545 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531405899 75109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56657&oldid=56655 5* 03Ais523 5* (-4) 10/* Variations */ probably one decimal place is enough, but that wasn't actually proven above < 1531406828 933582 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531406974 21349 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531407035 767139 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531407430 318387 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531408724 47672 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531408881 289210 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531409438 541666 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531409506 826447 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1531410207 723879 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531410438 403728 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-284.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531410576 293476 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531410795 549181 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1531410818 809726 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531412310 727633 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531412496 731437 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531412661 288340 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531412675 616145 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531413185 397426 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-284.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531414420 882790 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531414606 318363 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531415022 378535 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531415476 91884 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531415502 887483 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531415793 886453 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531416286 215721 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531416473 842190 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531417844 675431 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531418240 203002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's going on with olist twh < 1531418258 732875 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531418434 305815 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531419236 718793 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531419247 563373 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531419411 336613 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531419728 564293 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531419770 190792 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531420128 175652 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531420580 366883 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531420731 342428 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531421114 959258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531421216 571479 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1531422004 725468 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531422469 375663 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531422674 742669 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531423049 713957 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531424000 40057 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531424337 366605 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531424553 298595 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531424855 938152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentragrams are neither good luck nor bad luck. There is a normal circled pentagram, and then there is the upsidedown Satanic pentagram. < 1531425006 635414 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531425038 720378 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. The pentagrams are just tools to summon a demon and attempt to bind them to your will. It's your command to the demon that may be good or evil. < 1531425178 617055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just a mark. The marks they use for demon summoning rituals might or might not resemble pentagrams, but anyways having a pentagram does not imply anything about demon summoning. < 1531425238 802802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The circled pentagram is a common Wiccan symbol; it is not used to summon demons in this way. < 1531425307 426919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know much about demon summoning stuff (I am skeptical if it is even possible), but a pentagram is just the geometric shape and is related more to Wicca than demon summoning anyways.) < 1531425343 539168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531425363 859299 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523! < 1531425365 772845 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think according to most sources, the pentagram's role is to prevent the demon from escaping and killing the summoner < 1531425395 93767 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some nitpicking questions to your M:tG construction because I can't find real problems with it! < 1531425395 110246 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pentagram itself doesn't actually help with the summoning or binding < 1531425396 471497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: huh, I didn't see your comment on IRC but I'm logreading it and saw it on the log < 1531425398 585986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1531425410 675218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531425416 754785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are my messages getting through now? < 1531425419 112540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen_: Yes, I think that is what I have read too, actually. < 1531425423 18223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so < 1531425427 727205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, at least to me they are getting through < 1531425434 718037 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1531425438 169439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I shoud just use my client for sending and stalker mode in the logs for receiving :-P < 1531425448 942347 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, that works < 1531425457 812182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pentagram itself is just a shape (which isn't used only by demon summoners, if it is even used by them at all). < 1531425474 723962 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531425477 33161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which were those two esolangs where the instruction pointer moves in a 2-plane like in fungeoids, but can be at rational points, not constrained to a grid? ← Trajedy/Conedy; see also Nopfunge < 1531425502 624436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1531425519 192851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: ping < 1531425562 629847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: re: wishes, some of the sideboard is more important than other parts, I kept all the most vital parts < 1531425576 259235 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, trajedy and conedy are the ones < 1531425582 279521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deck's unlikely to have as high a win rate but it should still be high enough to pull the combo off at least once in a tournament < 1531425595 613506 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531425623 490462 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that seems a reasonable thing to say < 1531425713 668580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: re: Tip, it's basically just a case of looking at iterated collatz functions (because thanks to quintopia, it holds the record for shortest implementation of a TC language in a non-eso language) and realising that it's more complex than necessary < 1531425724 814168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the need for rationals rather than integers is painful when you're implementing it in something low-powered < 1531425819 462318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the messing about with finite fields that I did semi-recently was helpful, though < 1531425945 851410 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, although you only need exact division, no other difficult integer operations such as division and remainder or gcd < 1531425962 412832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in practice you need modulo to be able to figure out which command to run < 1531425969 243554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that, yes < 1531425973 994233 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, true < 1531425993 62072 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even those can be difficult to implement in something like M:tG :-) < 1531426013 828575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Tip doesn't seem like a good language to implent in M:tG < 1531426036 939086 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip is like conedy or fractran in how it stores data < 1531426039 929580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although divmod is generally very easy if you have a state machine available, which is why it's the usual building block used for counter-machine-like TC proofs < 1531426073 328912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Tip is a "dispatch on remainder" type of language, those tend to be TC < 1531426081 274823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare to conedy which is "dispatch on integer part" < 1531426093 46583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm beginning to suspect is only PDA-strength < 1531426150 348512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I thought the same about Something?Oops!, which turned out to be TC < 1531426164 92583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's dispatch-on-remainder < 1531426183 769253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's one of A/Asdf's languages, most of them are atrocious but that one got me thinking) < 1531426313 486669 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531426338 707602 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, A/Asdf makes OISC languages? Do we know he's not also Iamcalledbob then? < 1531426350 211430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we think he probably is iamcalledbob < 1531426362 724067 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1531426370 966708 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only saw you mention that A and Asdf was the same < 1531426383 980893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been respecting GDPR and not running checkuser or anything like that (that's reserved for spambots) but it's just obvious based on the way they're acting < 1531426387 829216 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably missed a lot during being in a psychiatric hospital for 18 days < 1531426390 28659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the same person (most likely) or a group of friends (less likely) < 1531426444 340257 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which the last four nights were on a bed that makes it almost impossible to speak, while the psychiatrist told me that for a stress-related problem like this, sleeping well is very important. < 1531426461 289111 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531426476 202241 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the worst part though. the hospital and its drastic sedation seems to have worked to at least temporarily reset me < 1531426553 620270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with your recovery! < 1531426712 615179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip is frustrating because of all the special cases in Jelly's syntax < 1531426717 393263 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you didn't answer my other crazy nitpicking question though < 1531426731 131840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, I simply didn't expect the situation to come up :-D < 1531426755 975415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a game as complex as M:tG, there have to be some board states which are impregnable short of Karn Liberated (whose effect is generally considered to trump anything else) < 1531426763 2360 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not something that will happen in an actual Legacy tourney game. the opponent would win or lose before it comes up. < 1531426792 218001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, most decks are focused enough that even a relatively weak survival combo can be enough < 1531426802 211719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name fortune thief < 1531426803 814586 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortune Thief \ 4R \ Creature -- Human Rogue \ 0/1 \ Damage that would reduce your life total to less than 1 reduces it to 1 instead. \ Morph {R}{R} (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for {3}. Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.) \ TSP-R < 1531426807 342465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name shielding plax < 1531426808 90679 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shielding Plax \ 2(g/u) \ Enchantment -- Aura \ ({(g/u)} can be paid with either {G} or {U}.) \ Enchant creature \ When Shielding Plax enters the battlefield, draw a card. \ Enchanted creature can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control. \ DIS-C < 1531426858 852664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won a game against a serious tournament deck with that combo a while ago because, fragile though it is, the deck only had one answer (Pyroclasm) and didn't draw it > 1531426915 9433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56658&oldid=56657 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10typo < 1531426932 859890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 80 seconds. < 1531426941 82919 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I know that feeling. not from tournaments, but from casual games, where I often play green or white, which have very few answers to some things. < 1531426957 108257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every colour is supposed to have things it can't answer < 1531426968 302589 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1531426968 507320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except white, which can actually answer anything but is meant to have problems with card flow < 1531426979 163388 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's also sort of accurate < 1531427017 228539 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :white can run out of steam < 1531427032 455469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :green can also answer everything but normally takes multiple cards to do so < 1531427045 167513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, except instants/sorceries, it has no answer to those < 1531427131 257808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's probably only red that has a really hard weakness (can't get rid of enchantments except by killing their controller) < 1531427149 303526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as black and blue both have general-purpose answers which are restricted in timing (discard and counterspells respectively) < 1531427200 600154 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some ways how my casual white decks try to defend against that: (1) win with Armored Ascension, which goes against the normal white rules that white doesn't have large creatures or auras that increase power by more than one, (2) Arcane Spyglass to burn away my lands for cards, (3) just make the deck fast enough, which is possible since Lo < 1531427200 676266 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwyn, although not as much as in red-white, (4) blue splash < 1531427262 155209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tournament white decks normally try to slow their opponent down instead < 1531427290 650976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically using "symmetrical" effects that make certain things more expensive or unplayable for both players, when those things happen not to be in your deck ;-) < 1531427297 881949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Thalia, Guardian of Thraben < 1531427298 649967 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thalia, Guardian of Thraben \ 1W \ Legendary Creature -- Human Soldier \ 2/1 \ First strike \ Noncreature spells cost {1} more to cast. \ DKA-R < 1531427347 650953 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still considering to eventually go back to Magic though, and there are a lot of things in each color that exist on cards now that didn't use to exist < 1531427355 702890 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power level has increased > 1531427363 361462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Tip14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56659 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+369) 10/* Computational class */ new section < 1531427380 108670 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like a ton of cards I'd like to buy < 1531427393 218328 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ton of cheap cards < 1531427414 802241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic's being really mismanaged at the moment, I suspect > 1531427479 37543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56660&oldid=56647 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-39) 10Let's not confuse the next editor. < 1531427500 731791 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, quite the contrary, at least from their point of view. they manage to produce more and more new cards every year, and get a lot of income, ever since Tenth Edition, but they always do it so sneakily that it's not obvious to notice < 1531427519 795967 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're doing good business where they're always selling more and more, even potentially to me if I ever return < 1531427546 982221 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without making it too obvious that they're doing such a business < 1531427586 963980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, they've had a few disasters recently, such as Iconic Masters < 1531427638 363130 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they make it really look like it will never stop, which they have to, because there's basically no clean way to stop producing new Magic sets, for if people ever suspect that Wizards is trying to do that in the next three years, they will stop buying Magic immediately < 1531427683 987106 :hakatashi2!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531427703 402139 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531427725 31068 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531427843 659579 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531428280 570982 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531428468 305350 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531429001 736394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531429022 679991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531429025 332769 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531429291 251425 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531429672 374947 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1531429966 846035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1531429980 298489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1531430145 438275 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Tip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56661&oldid=56659 5* 03Ais523 5* (+743) 10somehow I missed that the Fractran calculation didn't use the s part of the Collatz function < 1531430149 609114 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1531430416 620254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56662&oldid=56230 5* 03Igorrto 5* (+75) 10/* Looks Like */ < 1531430479 923837 :wob_jonas!b03f1935@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.53 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531430578 819620 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531430721 280107 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531432457 846609 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531432644 306112 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531432663 688899 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531433536 253175 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531434382 967671 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531434569 778971 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531434951 277731 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531436234 574061 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531436421 306033 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531436457 473627 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531436493 570360 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531436596 201928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531436860 488769 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531437016 385964 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531437093 678857 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531437423 87277 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531437532 722550 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531437871 985842 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531438127 808193 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531438352 693702 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531438363 681338 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531438619 879218 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntvfubzabgvylwpo JOIN :#esoteric < 1531438647 670713 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531438893 706607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1531440122 511478 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531440133 364974 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531440170 600585 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1531440291 290424 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531440385 318181 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1531440589 952167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DMC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56663&oldid=56457 5* 03DMC 5* (+0) 10 < 1531441271 930440 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531441314 227582 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can there be two different groups G1 and G2 so that the direct products G1 * G1 and G2 * G2 are isomorphic? < 1531442025 66436 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531442214 307547 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531443338 399579 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531443605 398865 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531443669 719216 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1531443697 357603 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531443750 362225 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hobby: trying to do theorem proving in languages that aren't suited for it at all. < 1531443763 566507 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my definition of a monoid in C#: https://lpaste.net/5400411184144842752 < 1531443814 24834 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531443879 995302 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531444071 292552 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531445815 392798 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531445883 546955 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1531446013 314372 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531446544 6118 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531446826 6398 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531447444 489558 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531447656 292747 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531447907 752746 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531449749 707509 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531449949 506353 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531450017 668301 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531450131 299555 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531451950 818062 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531452190 325060 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531453211 737031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56664&oldid=56645 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* See also */ < 1531453943 668261 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531454147 710162 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531455826 770979 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531456019 725711 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531456151 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< 1531462928 728592 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531463137 322044 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531463894 541686 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531464092 718119 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531464292 289845 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1531464525 384641 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531465772 11725 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531465964 689059 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531466806 654122 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531467269 478462 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531467519 469749 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531467674 413894 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531467879 304694 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531467916 408300 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531468888 470042 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531469106 328269 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531469534 591276 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531469547 964271 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531469747 779570 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531471468 786364 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531471658 706263 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531472182 420195 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. > 1531472418 526288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56665&oldid=56646 5* 03A 5* (+98) 10/* Brainloller */ > 1531472559 637268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56666&oldid=56665 5* 03A 5* (-38) 10/* Brainloller */ > 1531472601 523215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03A 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Brainloller Hello.gif10]]" > 1531472629 479244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03A 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Brainloller Helloworld.gif10]]" > 1531472690 902306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56669&oldid=56666 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Brainloller */ > 1531472742 950467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56670&oldid=56669 5* 03A 5* (+39) 10/* Brainloller */ > 1531473140 702649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainloller14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56671&oldid=45244 5* 03A 5* (+66) 10/* Example */ > 1531473193 764056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainloller14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56672&oldid=56671 5* 03A 5* (-66) 10/* Example */ > 1531473211 491449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainloller14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56673&oldid=56672 5* 03A 5* (+66) 10/* Example */ < 1531473339 592465 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531473531 283454 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531474154 389070 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531474598 38913 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntvfubzabgvylwpo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531475247 480357 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531475441 685335 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531475590 645663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56674&oldid=56284 5* 03A 5* (+105) 10/* Stuck? We'll try again */ > 1531475800 980643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56675&oldid=56674 5* 03A 5* (+199) 10/* Good news */ > 1531475954 399814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56676&oldid=56675 5* 03A 5* (+178) 10/* Step 2 */ > 1531476187 269571 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56677&oldid=17477 5* 03A 5* (+98) 10/* Input/Output */ > 1531476322 269392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56678&oldid=56676 5* 03A 5* (+36) 10/* Step 4 */ > 1531476410 182285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56679&oldid=56677 5* 03A 5* (+154) 10/* Input/Output */ > 1531476703 366084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56680&oldid=56679 5* 03A 5* (+249) 10/* Inverse instruction? */ > 1531476798 235729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56681&oldid=56680 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Inverse instruction? */ > 1531476935 486540 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56682&oldid=56681 5* 03A 5* (-49) 10/* Inverse instruction? */ < 1531477071 869651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist 78 < 1531477072 642303 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist 78: boily shachaf < 1531477152 338742 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531477154 726514 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531477352 700086 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531477685 743450 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56683&oldid=56682 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Inverse instruction? */ < 1531478992 977360 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531479182 976515 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow. judging from those edits, A is definitely Iamcalledbob's sock. < 1531479216 356054 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is what ais523 said too, I know, I'm just saying that now I'm certain of it too) < 1531479218 309772 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531480866 225668 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531481096 765726 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531482282 228074 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531482410 772359 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1531482755 671231 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531482968 693385 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531484678 797387 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531484811 273105 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531486466 826363 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531486554 488034 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1531486572 907675 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56684&oldid=56477 5* 03Ais523 5* (+391) 10more about TCness > 1531486711 793847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Brainloller Hello.gif10]]": Duplicated file: this is the unused copy out of the two; both were uploaded by the same user at about the same time < 1531486712 679395 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531486812 956312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56685&oldid=56683 5* 03Ais523 5* (+358) 10/* Input determination */ that's , not TC < 1531487311 630256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1126 < 1531487312 472667 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1126: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1531487535 766282 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1531488498 689365 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531488681 273618 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531488690 191385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531488747 343092 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! the people on the forums actually predicted this twist from a hidden hint the Giant gave some strips ago < 1531488784 671210 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now that A is editing [[BF instruction minimalization]], it's even more obvious that he's Iamcalledbob's sock. < 1531488802 240424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531488819 663551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, not so much a sock as someone who keeps bouncing their main around < 1531488908 49368 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1531488961 380816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be learning now, though < 1531488976 772546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you repeatedly point out their misconceptions about TCness they seem to fix them for future edits… < 1531489000 487904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone throwing out that many ideas is useful just because occasionally they give inspiration < 1531489043 470541 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he waited until after his ban expired to create a new user < 1531489051 363048 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both times, I think < 1531489130 880695 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see, did he learn to actually follow the clear instructions in [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] for the later accounts? < 1531489166 901754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he discovered he could create multiple accounts a while back and created and introduced like four of them (admitting who he was), then never used him < 1531489170 648445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*never used them < 1531489182 620678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A and Asdf came later without any /admitted/ link to the original account, but it's obvious < 1531489212 506261 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's he trying to achieve? < 1531489253 327986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just someone with more enthusiasm than knowledge, I think < 1531489259 580190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally that ends up manifesting as one BF derivative < 1531489270 605876 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently partially. Never followed 'sign your name by writing in "~~~~" (without quotes),' but at least follows 'write a short description (one or two sentences is enough) about what brings you to this wiki' for some of the later accounts < 1531489287 660695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it ended up manifesting as like twenty derivatives of random languages, plus a very optimistic view on TCness < 1531489289 344696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how are you typing /your/ wiki signature btw? (the one with the U and C links) < 1531489305 573152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: three tildes and a lot of substed templates < 1531489308 785762 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it seems a very weird way to go about it < 1531489326 244493 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there's a setting in [[Special:Preferences]] to change what the name part of three/four tildes expands to < 1531489330 340425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the date's in the signature itself as {{subst:CURRENTDAY}} and friends < 1531489348 659500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partially think it might be a troll, but if so it's a /really good/ troll < 1531489356 851373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few people try to promote their language by renaming [[Main Page]], after all < 1531489370 727889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ah < 1531489375 759399 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently very fashionable on some mediawikis to modify that to include a link to the talk page and some vanity stuff, often making it hard to tell your actual username < 1531489395 869260 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much that on hu.wikipedia someone explicitly asked me to put a link to my talk page into my signature, so I eventually did < 1531489416 791484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not intend to imitate it, but I was curious how it is done.) < 1531489423 843562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, after the userbox wars, there wasn't much appetite for enforcing minor signature variations < 1531489431 427866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minor signature violations < 1531489463 538094 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on other wikis I just make it expand to "– [[User:b_jonas|b_jonas]]" so I don't have to type "-- ~~~~" but only "~~~~" < 1531489509 920989 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, as long as it still clearly links to the user page or talk page of the right user, and isn't horrible, we just allow anything in sigs < 1531489574 812679 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still much better than the fashion on some phpbb-based forums where some people have huge multiline sigs and avatars that often take up more screen space than their actual post. < 1531489606 692852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just turn those off < 1531489611 730533 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently on those forums the typical mod-enforced rule is that the sig shouldn't take up more screen space than six lines of normal text < 1531489634 709838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one phpBB-based forum I'm on autocollapses signatures that are longer than three or four lines of text, IIRC < 1531489643 820153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can expand them to see the whole thing < 1531489649 252820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or turn them off altogether in your options < 1531489680 330300 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently on those forums the typical mod-enforced rule is that the sig shouldn't take up more screen space than six lines of normal text => (rofl) < 1531489716 988225 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I misread as “should” < 1531489742 189372 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the typical mod-enforced rule is that the sig shouldn't take up more screen space than six lines of normal text _before expanding spoiler tags_ < 1531489791 448466 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s a shame I rarely visit these forums) < 1531489802 528929 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM's Irregular forum has much stricter rules. no images in posts, ever. that's actually a good rule. I hate how on most phpbb forums any poster can just embed any off-site image and track who loads their post how many times. < 1531489838 431191 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only think phpbb itself enforces is that post look ugly and the avatar size is capped. < 1531489857 872193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1531489892 254780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phpBB often has issues matching tags < 1531489908 286108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly frequent to accidentally make a post that closes more tags than it opens and causes the rest of the page to break out of its container… < 1531489950 75806 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah. doesn't allow links to urls with parenthesis in them. quite a similar bug than on Stack Exchange's markdown formatter, but at least there in posts you can work it around, on phpbb you can't < 1531489957 576527 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw are there esolangs modeling simething like a cell colony? to compute, you have to grow a colony from one primordial cell you are only free to “program” beforehand < 1531489994 582303 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, closes more tags than it opens? I remember back when perlmonks allowed that. it's still a viewer user's setting whether to enforce correct tag nesting, but defaults to yes. < 1531490056 606536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hmm, that sort of computation is normally done in 2D cellular automata but they tend to need very big initial states to be TC, which is not what you're looking for at all < 1531490083 4704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some of the 2D automata with lots of colors that support programmable self-replicators are close to what you want < 1531490130 622238 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hmm. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Lambda:_the_Gathering requires you to build up programs from the few cards you have, and in each step you can only compose one card onto a slot from left or right and putting the composition result back in the slot, but this allows building up anything because at least one card represents a function that can < 1531490130 758658 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : read the value of other slots < 1531490149 536779 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tampered with this idea once a week ago, using “genes” and “molecules” they produce, and a quirky cell division mechanism (neighboring cell chains shift, if not enough space), but in the end it felt not so cool so I abandoned it < 1531490427 430955 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531490436 769485 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531490451 470625 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: interesting game there, albeit a hard one for me < 1531490492 283261 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it's hard for everyone. ICFP contests get harder and harder every year, it seems. < 1531490505 21362 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1531490552 686595 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the old days the tasks were simple enough that a lone programmer had a chance to win, these days tasks involve so many complicated things that they require a team of three or four programmers who already know how to form an effective team < 1531490615 310346 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531490644 385392 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't a lone programmer win last year? < 1531490699 534257 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1531490736 436917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't enter this year :( < 1531490795 242703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, a lone C++ programmer won < 1531490860 814817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does the challenge start? < 1531490864 171225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't participate < 1531490885 223391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on the fence about a fairly recent previous challenge (the one where you had to claim edges to build a network), and once the twists started was very glad I didn't compete < 1531490885 289787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://icfpcontest2018.github.io/ < 1531490898 180256 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :July 20th to 23rd < 1531490905 648490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time next week < 1531490932 2162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:00 UITC, hmm < 1531490941 757220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC even < 1531490963 705579 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's now 14:10 UTC) < 1531491011 88652 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway my plan is to look at it and not actually participate... like almost every year. < 1531491045 260879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of mean to schedule it into the middle of FLoC. < 1531491048 80503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1531491055 474565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no. It's end of FLoC. < 1531491491 702912 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mine too < 1531491526 522197 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it, and if by some miracle it's something easy and I have time then participate with something I write quickly, but definitely not spend much time on it < 1531491535 831502 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. my plan is the same < 1531492343 708939 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531492523 756332 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531493922 968391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1531494005 674509 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531494332 741609 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531494501 281046 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676702 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531504081 325461 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531505018 173850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531505349 690725 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531505447 905744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1531505462 612247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531505750 855400 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531505956 298430 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531507406 585074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: See, I knew bugging you about it would help. < 1531507600 847716 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531507811 691148 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 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:SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531511358 868409 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531511594 777701 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531512313 383775 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531512986 919627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1531513274 342688 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531513466 697925 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531513858 229400 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1531513960 180164 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531514225 685910 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531514305 447303 :ineiros_!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531514487 663821 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531514557 138143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -l quotes; tail -n1 quotes < 1531514557 909451 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1324 quotes \ Please look at the new [[BackTurn]] program language see if it is good or else what other comment/question/complaint. < 1531515135 973610 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531515352 298253 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531516477 530444 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell me how something like a register machine with a fixed number of registers is able to store and manipulate arbitrary datastructures like adjacency matrices for graphs? < 1531516603 812916 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out how you're able to squeeze out different representations of data from multiset rewriting. < 1531516996 111006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: what do you mean by multiset rewriting? < 1531517032 504585 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531517060 779807 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rewriting system with rules of the form `m -> m'`, where m and m' are subsets of a larger multiset. < 1531517088 672815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Petri nets. < 1531517097 414750 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and P-systems with one membrane, yeah. < 1531517108 859719 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FRACTRAN. < 1531517150 758297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Multiset rewriting exists in the literature but what I found has more structure.) < 1531517170 937371 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what literature? :o < 1531517237 183120 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1531517249 688706 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531517262 150245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Petri nets are not just similar, they are isomorphic to what you describe; represent the rule m -> m' by a transition that has arcs from each element of m and arcs to each element of m'. < 1531517307 149502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'll need places for all elements in the rules) < 1531517308 522755 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm aware. register machines are a subset of multiset rewriting systems with inhibitors. < 1531517329 386463 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just never seen stuff like datastructures be dealt with in them like I have with traditional TMs or string rewriting systems. < 1531517344 289452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, as to your question I think people generally simulate two stacks, which gives you a Turing machine, and leave it at that < 1531517352 639821 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1531517380 824149 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not really useful in and of themselves, then... that's a shame. < 1531517513 821421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :To simulate a stack, you only need multiplication and division with remainder by a fixed constant (the size of the stack alphabet). So one register for each stack, and one scratch register. So 3 registers is TC. To work with 2 registers, people then simulate a 3-register machine by representing (a,b,c) by 2^a 3^b 5^c, and again multiplication and division by constants (namely the primes 2,3,5)... < 1531517520 114591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wins the day. < 1531517559 810549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the complexity suffers horribly. < 1531517622 443457 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531517663 575367 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, you can execute recursive functions on a Minsky machine. But again, you'll have to work quite hard in order to represent complex data structures as natural numbers. < 1531517679 409608 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the number of operations just grows and grows... I was just wondering if there were any shortcuts other than godel numbering for representing structured data. < 1531517679 965115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think Petri nets make this any easier. < 1531517750 422528 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess turing got it right the first time. :P < 1531517799 261655 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the structure you rewrite over doesn't have enough "structure", for the lack of a better term, complexity suffers, both in terms of operations and constructing algorithms. < 1531517810 520693 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TMs are awkward to, since tapes lack random access. < 1531517849 760687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well... efficient random access) < 1531517851 876187 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but it's not hard to constructively build random access via multi-tape or multi-track constructions. < 1531517874 339687 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine building RAM out of a register machine without defaulting to an intermediary TM. < 1531517965 270609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter how you do it there's an unavoidable exponential slowdown compared to RAM. < 1531517992 684531 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. which is why I turn to things like string rewriting systems. < 1531518004 851576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the information has to be stored in a finite number of registers, so they have to grow exponentially, and the only way to extract information from a register is to reduce it all the way to 0. < 1531518084 668977 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531518166 1590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically Minsky machines are inherently impractical, so there's hardly any incentive for optimization. < 1531518170 724956 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531518201 512802 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaah... I'll just stick with regular ol' strings. < 1531518886 902743 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531518951 699985 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531519121 729518 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531519497 663518 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531520608 670025 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531520776 605728 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531520877 664811 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531520993 671355 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531520993 729888 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531522633 772262 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531522731 721334 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned that composing programs in Thue involves composition on the symbol level. how would you "wrap up" a thue program to be used by another thue program? < 1531522781 84000 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it has to do with composing unrestricted grammmars. < 1531522826 744922 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531524520 26864 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531524596 650755 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531524719 312324 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531525418 208344 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531526124 580326 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531526359 604120 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531526369 38273 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531526609 716892 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531526636 555102 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531526918 646053 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531527183 666790 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531527496 77870 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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:brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531531975 380716 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531532046 509367 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1531532062 352063 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531532241 257773 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531532264 685639 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531532548 427362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56686&oldid=56678 5* 03A 5* (-117) 10/* Good news */ > 1531533731 222910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56687&oldid=56684 5* 03A 5* (+60) 10/* Turing-completeness */ < 1531533923 752258 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531534136 788512 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 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:trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531536141 299405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531536578 296566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1531537324 605802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531537549 48301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56690&oldid=56474 5* 03A 5* (+502) 10/* An improvement */ < 1531537656 814707 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531537841 703484 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531538077 81060 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1531538083 950106 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1531538373 302409 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531538659 180946 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531539687 818008 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1531540117 378269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric > 1531540334 787441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56691&oldid=56690 5* 03A 5* (+210) 10/* Explanation */ > 1531541390 190831 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56692&oldid=56689 5* 03A 5* (+86) 10/* brainfuck */ > 1531541539 171599 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56693&oldid=56692 5* 03A 5* (-86) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1531541571 580670 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531541659 831142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56694&oldid=56693 5* 03A 5* (+76) 10/* brainfuck */ < 1531541826 473843 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1531542950 239993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03A 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Shorer Brainloller Truth Machine.gif10]]" > 1531542951 718418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03A 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Shorer Brainloller Truth Machine.gif10]]" > 1531543014 612598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56697&oldid=56694 5* 03A 5* (+80) 10/* Brainloller */ > 1531543053 415272 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03A 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Shorter Brainloller Truth machine.gif10]]" > 1531543140 706807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03A 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Shorter Brainloller Truth machine.gif10]]" < 1531544818 666244 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531545087 730210 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531547474 587007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the duplicate file "Shorer Brainloller Truth Machine.gif" should be deleted. 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:Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531576492 875307 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531576574 503173 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1531576685 805148 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531578451 559019 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531578621 305052 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531578737 308025 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531580269 735966 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531580507 740241 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531582187 773002 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531582379 726237 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531584063 39242 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531584227 303265 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531584803 567271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531585255 706221 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531585551 315336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: imode: re efficiency of tarpits, Minsky machines are inherently slow if you execute them a step at a time but tend to be fairly easy to optimise < 1531585571 354634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, Turing machines are missing a capability that most implementations of Turing machines in lower-level languages have: the ability to insert and delete tape elements < 1531585600 614943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a Minsky machine is probably going to be more efficient than a Turing machine if you have a good optimiser < 1531585608 176690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on one a while back but never finisehd it < 1531585876 927474 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my question is, to do anything useful, you need to use godel numbering. < 1531585886 868576 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means I need arbitrarily large numbers. < 1531585914 945755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think any language needs arbitrarily large data structures < 1531585923 309598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are a good choice for a tarpit because they're so flexible < 1531585938 133323 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but what does it buy me? < 1531585950 395517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to treat a number as an opaque object < 1531585967 231006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really do that with, say, a tape section in a Turing machine, you need to know things about its structure and the like < 1531585980 787967 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531585984 578269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with numbers, you can just store them inside other numbers using exponents of primes or whatever < 1531586008 29121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's massively inefficient if you look at the size of the numbers, but a sufficiently smart compiler can reverse that and decompose them back into the actual data structures < 1531586009 633086 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that buy you practically, though? it also relies on arithmetic. < 1531586047 747165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the simplest tarpits we know of either use numbers directly to store data, or else counts of things to store data (which is very comparable to using numbers) < 1531586051 752146 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd rather just work on strings of symbols. if I have to build something "sufficiently smart" to hack around the inefficiencies of the automata/model I'm working with... < 1531586073 109589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from maybe cyclic tag, which arguably uses strings < 1531586073 558713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So basically you'd be working with a stack machine then? < 1531586079 626227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(multi-stack machine that is) < 1531586115 100368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, nearly always counter-machine tarpits, the TC proof starts by implementing a stack machine (or another counter machine that implements a stack machine, etc.) < 1531586147 911938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: well, again looking at tarpits, they tend to have an (implicit or explicit) data pointer, which means that dealing with a string has similar performance properties to dealing with a number < 1531586151 311082 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531586154 379606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you have to move the pointer along it to accomplish anything < 1531586174 430619 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but they admit to a mechanical representation. < 1531586184 820654 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :one discrete location to the next. < 1531586205 977910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number's just a string of digits, though, right? < 1531586235 506955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real difference between a string and a number is that the string enforces what base it's in, and a number doesn't inherently have opinions on that < 1531586423 598029 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531586424 238256 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531586427 669532 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531586760 578790 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531587872 799774 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531588073 695828 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531588634 579058 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531588736 566637 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531588889 227536 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1531589253 25359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Shorer Brainloller Truth Machine.gif10]]": Duplicated file: this is the unused copy out of the two; both were uploaded by the same user at about the same time < 1531589382 668671 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531589739 99995 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531589931 334884 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531590078 482439 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531591552 412716 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531591637 997592 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531591670 887723 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531591817 789414 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531592827 6618 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531592836 784148 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry I dropped out earlier, lemme review the logs. < 1531592844 690150 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn cell service. < 1531593462 810914 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531593470 634243 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, but when I consider writing an algorithm for dealing with structures like adjacency matrices, 2D arrays, and other structures, I don't think "wow, that could be represented as a number", I think of the transformations required to work on parts of the structure. < 1531593495 231058 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531593496 502201 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't see how transformations via arithmetic are somehow more suitable than just simple string substitutions. < 1531593543 595332 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you need glorified bignums to do it.. < 1531593548 632114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I like the transformations to be built out of the smallest building blocks possible, because it makes them more general and places fewer assumptions about what they can be used for < 1531593565 947238 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest building blocks possible? what about things like thue? < 1531593574 983122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about things like fractran? < 1531593589 591509 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on arbitrary arithmetic operations. < 1531593594 888243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically "Thue for numbers" and is more general/elegant (a Fractran program will normally be shorter than a Thue program for the same thing) < 1531593610 859132 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how you can say that unless you have an example. < 1531593627 281569 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran is multiset rewriting, not string rewriting. < 1531593645 130108 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk. < 1531593694 980052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue is very bad at moving data from one place to another because the use of a string inherently gives the data locations < 1531593728 422762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I don't have a concrete example of Fractran being golfier than Thue because few people have tried to golf either, it's more an educated guess < 1531593728 704547 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531593756 723515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Fractran self-interpreter is pretty short, though, and a Thue self-interpreter isn't even possible unless you limit the alphabet a bit, in which case the size is at least quadratic in the size of the alphabet < 1531594569 561935 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531594857 978155 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531594988 905480 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531595006 70320 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm actually working on that... by using special prefixes. < 1531595073 688836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531595144 545113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1531595213 993122 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that giving data a location is a bad thing. in fact I think it as required in order to... do useful things. you're going to be doing the same thing with FRACTRAN. < 1531595222 916630 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :only you're just wrapping it up in a sequence of arithmetic options. < 1531595243 886097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1531595280 165554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's about visibility < 1531595284 459645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Fractran, the data is just kind-of there < 1531595288 419909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to move it to the right place first < 1531595304 248941 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're going to end up doing that anyway. I get that you strip ordering but.. < 1531595312 679601 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531595415 320140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how much more efficient a few global variables can make a program < 1531595424 695361 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531595493 21973 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really wanna convince me, translate this into FRACTRAN: https://ptpb.pw/qrUV/text < 1531595550 744143 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my variant of thue, and I have an interpreter for it. I'd be interested to see how you'd do it with a queue as well. < 1531595570 926782 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or this, which is a pseudo-drawing program: https://ptpb.pw/vO8Q/text < 1531595571 381164 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531595636 459776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first one is, what, unary RPN? < 1531595654 403335 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1531595661 212731 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it parses a command set. < 1531595664 387640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have a go later, there are more important things I'm supposed to be doing first < 1531595669 267003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not parsing < 1531595679 98993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using Thue tokens directly as commands < 1531595688 563682 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pedantic, aren't we. < 1531595722 774159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's relevant here, because it's important for getting the equivalence between the two programs right < 1531595743 953971 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't disqualify the fact that you have to.. do that. < 1531595776 865811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: you'd have to do that in either direction! < 1531595796 656584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define how the I/O works, that is < 1531595894 314804 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so "given a sequence of commands, simulate a stack machine with addition and subtraction." < 1531595909 439519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1531595998 249686 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531596004 9563 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see how it ends up being... so-called better. < 1531596017 806402 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to reason about these transformations. < 1531596030 983833 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I cannot imagine what it's like in multiset rewriting systems like FRACTRAN. < 1531596070 21758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it I'd imagine that program fits Thue very well because it uses exactly two stacks in a way that doesn't require an extra encoding layer < 1531596079 21374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were trying to implement a TC language (i.e. program plus /two/ stacks) it'd be a lot messier < 1531596092 21109 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :workin' on that. < 1531596136 674252 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :planning on having a "label" stack. on a return, seek back to the return stack, fetch a label, and seek forward until you hit your label. < 1531596179 306252 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even the only way to do it. I like the way you can use "signals" to carry information. < 1531596185 838486 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1531596381 454509 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531596502 711283 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also working on a preprocessing pass that'll add some additional features that makes the language a little easier to use. for example, the addition of "stateful strings" indicated by prefixes on every symbol. so certain rules only apply to symbols prefixed with a given "state". > 1531596577 675649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Zzo38 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Brainloller Helloworld.png10]]": Small version of Brainloller_Helloworld.gif < 1531596589 419278 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaargh. < 1531596641 877727 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(colors) < 1531596668 759279 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow. > 1531596720 264583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainloller14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56701&oldid=56673 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+37) 10 < 1531596780 633719 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I usually hide in an attempt to keep what is left of my sanity. < 1531596795 706149 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :entering this place implies a lack of it. < 1531596797 566558 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1531597194 458182 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I meant to write "I usually hide colors" there < 1531597209 500217 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the omission worked rather nicely. < 1531597301 733464 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531597323 763539 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let variable = variable in variable < 1531597327 400433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: <> < 1531597511 786567 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531598114 297259 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531598177 772085 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hi < 1531598178 97406 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re numbers, yes, a very good example for that is Amycus, which is nominally defined to work on numbers, but actually works with binary trees, and an efficient implementation would have to use binary trees as the representation, becuase otherwise the numbers would grow too large < 1531598193 845440 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not just exponentially large, but tetration large < 1531598300 532521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers are neat < 1531598340 191230 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the Turing-completeness proof of Consumer Society and the proof that it can also efficiently simulate a register machine (up to polylog slowdown) both use a two-stack machine < 1531598392 12067 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two-stack machine can directly simulate a one-tape Turing machine, and you use the two stacks to store arbitrarily large numbers which you use as addresses to simulate a register tree manipulation machine < 1531598435 979459 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're actually simulating a RAM machine with addresses, but I don't like RAM machines because there's too many different ways to define them and no one nice canonical one < 1531598488 572642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue is pretty similar to a Turing machine with insertion and deletion < 1531598491 205029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is a two-stack machine < 1531598529 670649 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, there are at least two proofs though that I can use to simulate a two-stack machine, and both are interesting because either of them don't use the full power of Consumer Society, but it's two different things that they don't use < 1531598566 124353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consumer Society doesn't seem to be on Esolang < 1531598574 283321 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Consumer Society is not a tarpit, it's not easy to simulate < 1531598584 755285 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's a future language that I'll write up at some point < 1531598594 655440 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm keeping its actual mechanics a secret until that < 1531598634 505960 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it covered under ITAR? < 1531598648 520103 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an ITAR? < 1531598703 643939 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :international traffic in arms regulations. < 1531598723 917894 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that joke about national secrets fell flat. < 1531598760 744786 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the thing why the license of some commercial software says that you can't sell them to Cuba or North Korea? < 1531598769 777826 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda yeah. < 1531598799 554844 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Consumer Society? < 1531598806 692358 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not an esolang I can find on the wiki < 1531598816 555108 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: a future esolang that I will document eventually < 1531598827 85923 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had it in my head for like a year < 1531598852 268217 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it very elegant, but YMMV < 1531598905 219269 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the tarpit languages of ais523 which try to be easy to simulate and hard to program, but it's like ais523's languages in that it has only very few operations because the programmer can just simulate everything else. < 1531598933 104291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine vary in how hard they are to program in < 1531598942 274024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being hard to program in isn't an end goal, it's just a side effect < 1531598978 594824 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never actually designed an esolang for the sake of being an esolang < 1531598979 441985 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1531599016 913256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean as "the sake of being an esolang"? < 1531599023 192250 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, exactly < 1531599050 843202 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: me neither. this just popped out as I examined non-eso languages and what operations they can do and noticed that a certain few operations are enough to do everything < 1531599070 348006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"increment target" and "dereference" :-P < 1531599110 972299 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "increment counter" and "try to decrement counter if nonzero, conditional goto depending on whether it was zero" < 1531599118 976236 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S, K, and I? < 1531599129 19002 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I did a dumb thing for a Minecraft server plugin back in the day < 1531599134 746458 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an esolang because it had to fit on Minecraft signs < 1531599142 459624 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are the two operations that Minsky or StackFlow have < 1531599173 233683 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was to do it again, I'd just implement Golfscript. :P < 1531599185 765304 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531599190 151897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the typical counter machine has four operations (increment, decrement, zero test, goto), which can be minimized by grouping them in various ways < 1531599201 505765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I doubt it, GolfScript is an "environment-execution-tied" language < 1531599218 51563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. its semantics inherently rely on the language it's implemented in (IIRC Ruby?) < 1531599228 323215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implementing it in anything else would require a Ruby interpreter < 1531599245 427709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally consider these languages very inelegant but it's common among golfing languages < 1531599250 623353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I have one of my own, A Pear Tree, which is tied to Perl) < 1531599262 311319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it doesn't try to hide it, like, e.g. GolfScript does) < 1531599277 585240 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O (JVM/CLR esolang that retains the esolang flavor) < 1531599302 123234 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's just Clojure < 1531599316 546748 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I sort of prefer to assume the kind of counter machine that has no linear order of statements, but just states and one or two next state pointers in each state < 1531599319 644001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: just try to tarpit the JVM < 1531599333 93170 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how I imagine the heap-allocating tree machine too < 1531599335 563494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's close to an esolang in its own right, but it more resembles those BF derivatives that add far too many commands than anything else < 1531599345 590303 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines are usually defined that way too < 1531599355 240952 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JVM/CLR assembly themselves are... surprisingly reasonable. < 1531599369 591775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odd thing is that you can't use its stack for TCness as you need to statically bound how high it is at every point in the program < 1531599376 94676 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 0 magic, unlike our friend SPIR-V < 1531599378 382945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't call JVM bytecode reasonable :-( < 1531599383 714539 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531599389 839816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked with it for my day job, it's one of the more unreasonable ASMs I've seen < 1531599409 918370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use a stack for most things, but registers for local variables and arguments, for example? (this is the exact opposite of how most asms do it) < 1531599457 250098 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe. whereas lua uses a stack for the local variables and function arguments, just like typical C to real processor compilers do < 1531599475 702452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why require that a pointer uses one stack slot and a 64-bit integer uses two? on any non-32-bit system, that's just going to require special cases to implement that behaviour specifically < 1531599497 544722 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it was defined before 64-bit was a thing) < 1531599511 654195 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think JVM actually still has 32-bit pointers on 64-bit too? Via some deep magic < 1531599572 966417 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what I should say is < 1531599577 948211 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not unreasonable or tarpitty to use. < 1531599589 222076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tarpitty, sure < 1531599593 898528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it to be unreasonable though < 1531599668 926943 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's an encoding size concession, actually < 1531599685 664230 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way Java/C# expressions work pretty easily translate into RPN, basically. < 1531599730 634693 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's stack-based, there's no basically redundant location operands in every opcode. < 1531599743 548443 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In effect, it has local variables and expressions in RPN. < 1531599765 783836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way modern Java toolchain work is to basically translate the Java into JVM as literally as they can < 1531599775 275769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then decompile it and recompile it into something that's remotely optimised within the runtime < 1531599785 450388 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you suggest interesting runs of games that aren't too well-known from either SGDQ 2018 or ESA Germany 2017? I don't have time to watch everything, but I'd like to see cool runs of games I don't yet know. < 1531599800 51000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a huge suspicion that the reason why Java JITs ended up becoming so good is that the AOT compilation is so bad < 1531599818 367404 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't bother with the weell-known games like Super Metroid or Super Mario 64 that is, I can already guess which of those I can watch. < 1531599820 393124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I personally like Axiom Verge, the SGDQ run of it is perfectly adequate < 1531599851 45601 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axiom Verge, ok, will look at that < 1531599862 71105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general though you'll prefer the run more if you like the game / its genre < 1531599862 852595 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wish Scala didn't take after javac's model of compilation < 1531599863 685485 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1531599874 646567 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the JVM can really optimize some of the stuff it outputs. < 1531599888 885509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I've lost track of just how bad javac's optimisation is < 1531599895 27227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is comparable to gcc -O0, probably a bit worse < 1531599895 941832 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure. I don't like fast-paced 3D games for example. < 1531599905 765877 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 3D that is, where the player moves in 3D < 1531599913 413373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're OK if it's slower? < 1531599929 457901 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, in particular I like GTA Vice City runs because they're slower paced < 1531599958 522317 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are the Pokemon RBY runs. < 1531599961 643309 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are....... < 1531599963 14602 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1531599979 553505 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I've already seen the two game one controller Pokemon blue and yellow < 1531600063 324039 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being a glitched 151 pokemon race? < 1531600080 863109 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: wasn't that last year? or winter? < 1531600087 330804 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1531600096 892190 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1531600097 666164 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that was the blindfolded glitched race < 1531600104 188444 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't this year, no < 1531600107 138537 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is amazing < 1531600121 39170 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a JVM/CLR tarpit would be interesting. < 1531600121 509774 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did all the menu manipulation glitches blindfolded < 1531600135 956375 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need to be still a tarpit while capable of... < 1531600150 332781 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At minimum: Defining classes with supertypes, implementing interfaces, overriding methods, doing basic OO operators < 1531600154 925807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what properties of JVM bytecode even give it its TCness < 1531600171 373892 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year was blue and yellow glitchless with the same controller < 1531600186 248816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible to create two stacks without using objects to create linked lists, assuming integers have capped sizes < 1531600194 813175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise you can realloc arrays to get your storage) < 1531600220 464854 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the JVM is only TC with the use of objects < 1531600227 254023 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't it the built-in classes like arrays that give it TC-ness the easiest way, just like in smalltalk on ruby? < 1531600240 163077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays aren't classes < 1531600252 654272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sentence has caused several /months/ of additional work for one of my coworkers < 1531600263 923552 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays aren't a class? < 1531600267 24995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1531600268 624325 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you work on, such that this is an issue for you? < 1531600269 357842 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know JVM < 1531600270 524778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well < 1531600272 374143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :array classes exist < 1531600278 952969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but arrays themselves don't act like objects of a standard class < 1531600305 733131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: well, part of my job is low-level JVM hacking < 1531600341 412159 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, you don't want to know the ugly details I found out about VBA (Visual Basic Automation) recently. it's a very old language, but still used, and it's very ugly. < 1531600348 900858 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, like, what does your company do that necessitates that? < 1531600368 908689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: VBA is something like the third programming language I learned < 1531600372 394375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was my main language for years < 1531600372 635057 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a dictionary type in its standard library, but no easy way to sort a fucking array. the dictionary doesn't help because it's not a sorted one, it's an unordered one. < 1531600376 593410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time I didn't know better < 1531600391 139260 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Excess Flood < 1531600400 659781 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm luckier, I learned word basic, the original macro language from words 2 and word 6. < 1531600409 673506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I'm a research programmer, my job's basically to implement ideas for new programming languages / techniques that other researchers come up with < 1531600416 493211 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. ah. < 1531600425 948545 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you've targeted the JVM before? < 1531600428 739523 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense. < 1531600436 81084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of mindblowing that I effectively ended up with a job in esoprogramming < 1531600446 517487 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531600448 203986 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first real programming language was Java. < 1531600460 421636 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Java anymore unless I need to < 1531600470 705836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case I'm working with existing Java code and attempting to transform it in ways that preserve its semantics < 1531600518 75923 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and I ended up with a job (that I think of as temporary) where I program VBA. it's not like I wanted to program VBA, but that's the programming interface a certain commercal program offers, so I have to use it at least in part. < 1531600525 354251 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1531600543 833280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of people working on this, though; I'm mostly working on the runtime < 1531600544 212315 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea for a JVM tarpit: The only thing the language can do are field accesses, and method calls. < 1531600550 66059 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partly use it to export data to a file and then parse that file with a saner programming language, but this still involves a lot of digging around in VBA and its interface < 1531600564 463392 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: isn't that javascript? < 1531600577 389995 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript still has math operators :P < 1531600578 760039 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And such < 1531600592 664337 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"math operations" < 1531600613 290112 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a mathematician and I don't think javascript addition and subtraction are math operations < 1531600642 340776 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like the php == operator, but even more weird < 1531600686 601496 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1531600704 747249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]+=` < 1531600708 260773 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you create a useful Java program with only if(), field accesses, and method calls? (Not even literals) < 1531600710 621139 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it also has builtin while loops and such < 1531600716 439086 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be reduced into an esolang, I think < 1531600718 24748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you don't need if < 1531600731 653127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church booleans are the way to go here < 1531600739 94873 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1531600758 680867 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this language can define objects < 1531600770 206021 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so just embed lambda calculus in it, creating functions from strings with the same trick that jsfuck does? < 1531600780 434197 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can make implicit branches via virtual methods. < 1531600784 298571 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no need for if. < 1531600790 521642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :public class ChurchTrue implements ChurchBoolean { @Override public if_(Supplier ifFalse, Supplier ifTrue) { return ifTrue.get(); }} < 1531600805 491227 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you mean java < 1531600808 571250 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not javascript < 1531600810 208312 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1531600816 730703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you cannot use the same trick as JSFuck in Java < 1531600824 716834 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1531600826 633390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although []+=` is the minimum known TC character subset of JavaScript < 1531600831 84235 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I just thought of javascript < 1531600850 318594 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: do you mean without method definitions? < 1531600851 825022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this mostly relies on how hideously overloaded + is < 1531600856 232006 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you only call built-in methods? < 1531600858 665161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually we start using it to call functions < 1531600869 524759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: where would you put the calls? < 1531600871 906122 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1531600881 248233 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a single main method, I'd say < 1531600893 282492 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is doable without some access to method definitions. < 1531600898 683410 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe. < 1531600908 769332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Java you can't even write any code without defining a method < 1531600920 687706 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd use the built-in library and call standard methods from it < 1531600920 704320 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, we need a sufficiently esoteric syntax. :B < 1531600938 468706 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need some way to get access to "machine" bools/ints < 1531600943 455297 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To call into the stdlib and do anything useful. < 1531600966 935958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "Church Java" might be more interesting < 1531600975 733375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's basically just typed lambda calculus with a ridiculously verbose syntax :-D < 1531601009 734009 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds Java-like < 1531601020 922448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1531601021 785647 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531601023 742147 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ridiculously verbose" is sure an description of that language < 1531601103 763535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern Java isn't as bad as it used to be, but it's still quite bad < 1531601132 939525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of defining the ChurchTrue class you could just write «(f,t)->t.get()» whenever you wanted to use it < 1531601137 173737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the type was clear from context < 1531601143 491719 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do kinda want this to be "OOP taken ridiculously far" in how it feels. < 1531601152 907398 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But reducing it to actually FP concepts implemented using OOP functions is... < 1531601154 972531 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that < 1531601177 400361 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't smalltalk already OOP taken ridiculously far? < 1531601185 616870 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much OOP, and you have 100 classes that each do nothing. This is a language where classes can't do anything but call other stuff. < 1531601221 305244 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531601247 341493 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A perverse enough language that BigInteger.ONE may be your best way of actually getting your hands on the ability to do math. < 1531601298 357630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably wrangle up something out of the streams API < 1531601413 543100 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntatically, a method body can just be a list of method/function/etc names. < 1531601449 386393 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.math.BigInteger.ONE; java.math.BigInteger.ONE; java.math.BigInteger.add(java.math.BigInteger); < 1531601511 220716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language seems to have a severe lack of being able to store things long-term, due to the lack of a dup < 1531601527 636021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to produce more than one of a value < 1531601545 292956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that you can't, say, use an array to store things because once you read one of the elements, all the others will be lost < 1531601547 563951 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, since there's also no multiple return. < 1531601689 689996 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest escape clause is the ability to reference method arguments multiple times, right? < 1531601752 882496 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It acts as a dup without there being an obviously "doesn't belong here" operation < 1531601798 110692 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes, but that's not enough < 1531601823 10708 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be missing? < 1531601877 315540 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a language that only has function definitions, where functions call other functions or conditionals, but no currying or function pointers, and it's not TC in itself, you need some way to store data, such as arrays or heap-allocated pairs or something < 1531601887 684667 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd only have a call stack, which isn't TC in itself < 1531601917 338653 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile any program to a single-stack machine with limited depth < 1531601920 463365 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1531601928 65756 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limited depth of how deep you can reach the stack that is < 1531601939 338795 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, just the ordinary one-stack machines < 1531601976 444601 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't this enough to implement some subset of lambda calculus? (Assuming there's access to defining/implementing JVM interfaces) < 1531601985 523759 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well. < 1531601988 629366 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of it, basically < 1531601995 760209 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no, because there are no function pointers or closures < 1531602015 238589 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of partially bound functions < 1531602019 154778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: apart from the "separate way to store data" you're thinking of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Splinter < 1531602029 834396 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects in Java can have virtual methods, and ctors effectively create closures. < 1531602036 920738 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming you can treat constructors as static methods) < 1531602166 39113 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: that might be enough < 1531602195 147695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: constructors are instance methods in the JVM, IIRC < 1531602206 705631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you construct an uninitialised object first then call the ctor on it < 1531602220 803718 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language implementation can paper over this minor quibble :P < 1531602337 158011 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you learned VBA, can you tell if I'm missing something stupid, or it really doesn't have any easy way to sort an array? < 1531602364 553138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned it when I was much younger and less understanding of programming style < 1531602371 26532 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen actual sort implementations online on stack overflow or something < 1531602374 937089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I even /used/ arrays < 1531602388 231696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly used it with Excel and placed values into the cells to do an array-like storage < 1531602388 349806 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to suggest that there is no built in < 1531602402 968736 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1531602851 984303 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/bLLqghKq < 1531602858 481404 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quick sketch of how this language could look < 1531602929 948327 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531602975 216526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are soon adding big integer arithmetic into JavaScript though, I think it is a good idea because then 64-bit integer arithmetic is possible (it is also helpful when you need unbounded integers, but they can also be used as 64-bit integers when that is what you need). < 1531603127 694691 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531603189 95004 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531603925 993370 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1531604323 41927 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531604753 468370 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531604987 603912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are some cool implications of the continuum hypothesis (or its negation)? < 1531604999 680207 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531605101 71536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1531605421 192093 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1531605494 292500 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531605513 735320 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1531605559 260436 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531605560 307075 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1531605591 810601 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531605606 771290 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1531605850 711665 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531606107 669129 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531606148 266111 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531607179 703970 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1531607339 670933 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531607840 681011 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531608087 663939 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531608457 185188 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely this exists somewhere as an esolang. < 1531608484 655241 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language with no explicitly defined text representation, and a well-defined IPA pronouncation < 1531609987 569514 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531610390 436780 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531611036 568227 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531611349 565540 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531613505 690075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I can't think of a language like that; the closest I can get is /ˈæmbiːɛf/'s /name/ (but the language itself is represented in text form) < 1531613546 788580 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a speech recognization module sufficient for the interpreter? :D < 1531613726 146486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1531614259 730765 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531614507 665926 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531615990 84014 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting, a cross conlang/esolang < 1531617284 237618 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: well, the only way to specify such a language would be if the spec was an audio recording and not in text form < 1531617311 651876 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise one could use the text representation used in the spec < 1531617317 553170 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I mean < 1531617321 771553 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write IPA down on paper. < 1531617322 385159 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1531617448 565728 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531617719 553126 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531618847 889145 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531621998 708453 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531622033 715960 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531623866 569681 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531624131 534034 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531625174 611728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531625308 483491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531627274 409447 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531627318 469914 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531630257 12164 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531630569 865660 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531636488 659868 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531638266 675441 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:8b9:b3d3:e954:483e QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531639082 301423 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531639359 538372 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531639423 795452 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent article on the Wizards website "https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/omniscience-2018-06-19" previewing Omniscience in the M2019 core set explicitly mentions "to the Legacy deck that puts Omniscience into play with Show and Tell" < 1531640084 533842 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531642476 721585 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1531642492 859030 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric > 1531642726 64291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parenthesisfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56702 5* 03A 5* (+241) 10Created page with "==Syntax(and proof to be Turing-complete)== (while ...) Same as Brainfuck [] (add p1 p2) equivalent to Brainfuck symbols "<>+-". The 1st parameter is the adding times(can be..." > 1531642763 690666 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parenthesisfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56703&oldid=56702 5* 03A 5* (+80) 10 < 1531643717 582855 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531646909 503828 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531646937 155701 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. so after Jayemdae Tome and Scepter of Imsight, wizards found that they're still too expensive for that effect and print Arcane Encyclopedia? < 1531646973 208301 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they even spell it that instead of Encyclopædia? how is that arcane then? < 1531647119 637529 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531647146 394466 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1531647484 500775 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531647504 389392 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1531647508 386055 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1531647889 563189 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: reminder that you should download http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020180713.txt < 1531648408 506760 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531648908 492569 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531650880 920761 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531651144 751039 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531651178 395700 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531651876 570146 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531652127 893368 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531652130 481223 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Excess Flood < 1531652202 317382 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531653200 599237 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo a | gzip; echo abcdefghijklmnopq) | gzip -d < 1531653201 412091 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ gzip: stdin: decompression OK, trailing garbage ignored \ a < 1531653208 669859 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo a | xz; echo abcdefghijklmnopq) | xz -d < 1531653209 430458 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz: (stdin): Compressed data is corrupt \ a < 1531653231 101379 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo a | xz; echo b | xz) | xz -d < 1531653231 855738 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ b < 1531653233 463841 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1531653305 702402 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo a | gzip; echo b | gzip) | gzip -d # I didn't know that this is allowed < 1531653306 497796 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ b < 1531654560 6066 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1531654572 17731 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531655185 550054 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1531657882 860711 :wob_jonas!b03f1891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531657922 161522 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531657956 497147 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531658017 793347 :wob_jonas!b03f1891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each of handkerchiefs, shirts, T-shirts, when I wash them, I always put them in the cupboars on the right or bottom of stacks of each, and try to choose one from the left or top when I need one, to try to ensure that I wear them off at an equal amount. But this doesn't work well, because they tend to get clustered to two or three groups of colo < 1531658017 967989 :wob_jonas!b03f1891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rs, since that's how I put them in the washing machine. < 1531658030 299217 :wob_jonas!b03f1891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the same problem with plates, which I also rotate in such a way. < 1531658279 929424 :wob_jonas!b03f1891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think gzip allows that for the sake of people who archive files with tar|gzip to actual tapes. < 1531658407 211707 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531658431 401172 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531658576 880639 :wob_jonas!b03f1891@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.145 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531662037 527299 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1531662831 684301 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531663036 485972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531663325 611726 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531664076 493753 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531664195 411432 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531664468 358980 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531664493 594965 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531664686 13905 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531667531 474912 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531669268 779665 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531669367 550275 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531672481 319050 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531672902 424000 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531673033 261851 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531674657 113166 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycjywpdayesxwqfl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531675085 828807 :grumble1!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1531675093 559255 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531675101 90529 :grumble1!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumbe < 1531675102 860637 :grumbe!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1531675381 881785 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531675405 712487 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531676462 285146 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531677343 4666 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531677657 861941 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531680586 683195 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531680691 981710 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531680706 391710 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531681363 732760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: OK I downloaded that file thank you < 1531681709 22757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cupboar < 1531681710 856425 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cupboar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1531681722 319896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1531681723 242191 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :267) elliott: well what i would do if i were omniscient and omnipotent would be to create an immortal woman with perfect tits and bang her for the rest of eternity \ 290) boston cream pie? sounds related to a cleveland steamer < 1531683065 571121 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531683131 2785 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531683414 737602 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3 < 1531683557 301832 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1531684046 938189 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531686942 493356 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531687137 719663 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531688803 423495 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531688862 820312 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making my own (sort off) esolang, and just got the interpreter to run it's first program (hello world, sort off). \o/ < 1531688990 734770 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language is a functional emoji-based language. < 1531688991 346297 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program: 💬🔤👋🗺🔤 < 1531688992 67271 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: 👋🗺 < 1531689033 861570 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531689161 631989 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1531689184 632497 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531689332 452656 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531689704 607416 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531689912 74453 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531690996 513252 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also got a working "yes" program: 🆕👍💬🔤👍🔤👍🛑👍 < 1531691463 577627 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531692829 6327 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531693137 875766 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531693649 346890 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1531695252 290374 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531695501 253555 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531695616 879150 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531696118 160295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531696435 764651 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531697466 503769 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531698597 525059 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531698872 471908 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1531703431 926359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Elyatai 5* 10New user account > 1531703696 652081 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56704&oldid=56660 5* 03Elyatai 5* (+184) 10 < 1531704439 670027 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1531704524 660923 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531704990 611189 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531705258 487052 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531708234 714977 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531708497 670499 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531710928 298463 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531711094 734653 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531713723 644575 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531714612 573591 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531714868 474615 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531718633 352055 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1531719249 502388 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531720444 390429 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531721080 367642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now SQLite has the function like the bit interleave operator of INTERCAL. (It is not part of the core library, but it is included in the source tree.) < 1531721102 12437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that? < 1531721569 425670 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531721914 494982 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531722234 492694 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531722258 962420 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531722867 724263 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531723231 181549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hanabi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56705 5* 03Elyatai 5* (+5293) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Hanabi |author=[[User:Elyatai]] |paradigms=imperative |year=[[:Category:2018|2018]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |files=..." < 1531723641 666398 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1531723768 554409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hanabi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56706&oldid=56705 5* 03Elyatai 5* (+52) 10 < 1531724210 668866 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531724497 577652 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531724688 675842 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531724757 555426 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531725333 107544 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1531727374 510337 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531727785 614652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hanabi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56707&oldid=56706 5* 03Elyatai 5* (+0) 10 < 1531727871 425916 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531728420 702850 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531729407 14562 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531729440 167903 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1531730890 490365 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531731189 521253 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531732324 770053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's suddenly decided I look very much like a robot < 1531732885 347575 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1531732887 603490 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1531732898 699758 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you do look a bit like a robot < 1531732939 845328 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true < 1531732957 641099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's something to do with Cambridge > 1531734608 45959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Definer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56708 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10Created page with "==How about loops?== Why not add some loops? Or, add recursion. That could make it a lot more useful. --[[User:A]]" > 1531734644 225756 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56709&oldid=56708 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* How about loops? */ > 1531734833 437253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56710&oldid=56709 5* 03A 5* (+18) 10/* How about loops? */ < 1531735587 680382 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531736350 668060 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531736607 664814 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531737275 72250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PISW14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56711 5* 03A 5* (+853) 10Created page with "PISW(Paradigm Is String-Rewriting) is an extremely simplified esolang by [[User:A]]. ==Syntax== It has 2 parts: Fun Str ===The Box Fun=== This is the function defenition. Li..." > 1531737435 159828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56712&oldid=56710 5* 03A 5* (+15) 10/* How about loops? */ < 1531739506 252882 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531739596 295863 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531739767 784900 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Random14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56713&oldid=17764 5* 03A 5* (+155) 10/* Turing completeness */ < 1531739870 292503 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531741398 865165 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwmpddjfpcsosloy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531742375 95730 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531742394 680631 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531742791 338990 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531743087 305626 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531744883 289704 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how quickly I can write a functional language interpreter < 1531745088 306445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12km/h < 1531745102 375713 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any quicker and you'll get too distracted < 1531745202 188268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531745202 450857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531745202 450907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531745300 44893 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :using yoctoparsec for comedy value < 1531745759 590306 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531746613 592022 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how much of a toy language or real language you interpret, and how efficiently you want to interpret it < 1531746683 995552 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this dump interpreter that I think I wrote in like two days, but it's really a toy language that you wouldn't want to use in practice: https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Scripts/Scheme < 1531746706 495641 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory it's turing-complete, but it's certainly not a practical language < 1531746728 330015 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two other older interpreters linked from the wiki that interpret a toy language, I think one of them isn't even turing-complete < 1531746995 596775 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, the idea is to compile a simply typed lambda calculus with letrec to assembly or something < 1531747014 617965 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an exercise < 1531747021 908415 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: didn't you want an interpreter, rather than a compiler? < 1531747032 919092 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler < 1531747054 665944 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's harder < 1531747068 449216 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531747168 48852 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531747297 666886 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current idea is to produce machine code in named blocks with relocations linking the blocks together, and let binutils' as handle it < 1531747336 966944 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet to come up with a calling/entering convention < 1531747522 539310 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this lazy or strict evaluation of the lambda calculus? < 1531747548 689847 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBN < 1531747622 585423 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the representation of all the values you handle are the same because you only have lambda functions, or do you want to add integers or algebraic types or something that requires a different representation? < 1531747638 235825 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would you handle allocation and garbage-collection of the lambda terms? < 1531747646 632293 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531747658 344443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: yoctoparsec seems a neat toy parser < 1531747668 102559 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :a walkable heap and periodic invocations to C/assembly RTS code < 1531747727 483760 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know... far less than I'd like about writing compilers < 1531747747 547469 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I know how all the pieces work - it's just that I've never put the puzzle together < 1531747767 115191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do it! < 1531747776 198754 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have about 4 days < 1531747779 633750 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely don't know how all the pieces work: specifically I don't know much about the ELF format and how it's used in modern programs < 1531747817 559319 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, I know enough about ELF to create a "modern" program but I'm willing to let binutils do the job > 1531747818 47501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07String-rewriting paradigm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56714 5* 03A 5* (+307) 10Created page with "{{Distinguish/Confusion|Category:String-rewriting paradigm}} ==Syntax== It only has 2 extremely simple commands. They are: > This moves the next byte to the end of the progra..." < 1531747842 274738 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: sure, but even then < 1531747848 982374 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've written a toy dynamic linker before) < 1531747881 213149 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cpu is this compiling for, and do you know enough about its instruction set and rules? < 1531747891 989228 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64 < 1531747893 952967 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531747893 991841 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531747902 951997 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1531747909 958126 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually know a lot about x86_64 < 1531747916 716148 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531747921 484856 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I realized Parser Maybe is absolutely useless < 1531747929 340372 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531747934 117612 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you internally have Maybe (Either a (Parser ...)) < 1531747945 669271 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other part I really don't understand is how to do register allocation in any way that isn't very dump < 1531747948 301881 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to decide whether your parse ended without any lookahead < 1531747949 263911 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531747951 38380 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and function inlining too < 1531747957 903554 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :not planning to do any of those :p < 1531747996 764006 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some time in the future I'll try to learn all this and write a compiler, although for a very different language that you're imagining < 1531748012 366639 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it definitely seems like a very large project that takes a lot of time > 1531748289 763549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07String-rewriting paradigm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56715&oldid=56714 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10 > 1531748406 660687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07String-rewriting paradigm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56716&oldid=56715 5* 03A 5* (+54) 10/* Syntax */ < 1531748715 975359 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I understand parsec's backtracking decision now... > 1531748999 998426 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:String-rewriting paradigm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56717&oldid=7907 5* 03A 5* (+92) 10Trying to extend the stub description. < 1531749150 989760 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider the parser the easiest part, because I understand some of the theory of how they work, and because I get to define the syntax so I define it such that it's easier to parse than real languages. > 1531749474 303790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StubScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56718 5* 03A 5* (+328) 10Created page with "{{Stub}} StubScript is an extremely simplified esolang that it made this article a stub. ==Syntax== It has only 1 instruction: > Move the first byte to the end of program. An..." < 1531750087 783816 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531750158 237682 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531750348 433351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StubScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56719&oldid=56718 5* 03A 5* (+62) 10 < 1531750508 492811 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531750554 650141 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531750575 513929 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531750577 496841 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1531750604 492145 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531750633 311631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite Loop14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56720 5* 03A 5* (+398) 10Created page with "An infinite loop is a program that loops infinitely, never stopping. For example, the C program below: main(){main();} is an infinite loop. (Obviously, I golfed it) ==Pseudoc..." > 1531750746 382249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56721&oldid=56691 5* 03A 5* (+22) 10/* Jumping */ > 1531751070 541185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Looping Counter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56722 5* 03A 5* (+496) 10Created page with "A looping counter is a counter using loops. It counts up to infinity or a specific number(or possibly down to a specific number). ==Example in Slashes(///)== [[User:A]] found..." > 1531751111 108273 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Looping Counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56723&oldid=56722 5* 03A 5* (+44) 10/* Example in Slashes(///) */ < 1531751189 150648 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531751211 712966 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531751567 407660 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531751618 273453 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531751734 501073 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cardiacsfan: *cough* < 1531751745 881772 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1531751746 403923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56724 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10Created page with "==Syntax== It has only1 command, D, to implement the Disan Count." < 1531751779 16013 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe that was a spammer. < 1531751787 359175 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531751828 62119 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cardiacsfan: you should fix your connection < 1531751838 355382 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded > 1531751843 363353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56725&oldid=53631 5* 03A 5* (+111) 10 < 1531751865 345035 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he doesn't know how one actually does that. < 1531751867 357612 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531751873 130339 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1531751903 336478 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1531751932 351335 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531751933 794060 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a nickname ban with $##fix_your_connection at the end usually suffices < 1531751975 614815 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -bCn :#esoteric!*@* < 1531751975 637901 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric :+n < 1531751975 751553 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531751981 229838 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1531751994 662457 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531752001 564002 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD I HATE IT WHEN I GET /MODE'S ARGUMENT ORDER WRONG < 1531752039 964516 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: i meant how one actually fixes a connection hth < 1531752073 131026 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531752090 375353 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +bC :#esoteric!*@* < 1531752097 494094 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531752154 645246 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net < 1531752177 204953 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i didn't mess up anything. < 1531752230 955819 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i forget that the channel should come first, it ends up interpreting every character in the banned address as a mode, i think. < 1531752259 646331 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1531752274 251127 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't include the $ redirect < 1531752308 564174 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i did. < 1531752353 396131 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :mode b < 1531752355 706434 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mode #esoteric -b ~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net$##fix_your_connection < 1531752360 25434 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i did. < 1531752364 253586 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh that was a -b < 1531752368 363433 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be +b < 1531752376 453204 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORST INTERFACE EVER < 1531752378 931226 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1531752392 869432 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is for adding, b is for ban < 1531752399 201652 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net$##fix_your_connection < 1531752404 660429 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's still #esoteric!*@* < 1531752411 197448 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you again added instead of removing! < 1531752414 347947 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1531752428 531252 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :#esoteric!*@* < 1531752500 65807 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1531752519 998100 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that bans are so rare that i forget the syntax between each time :( < 1531752556 594388 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that irssi or possibly the server does its darnest to interpret a /mode command as something sensible when it isn't. < 1531752580 169082 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*darndest < 1531752608 706970 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the server < 1531752652 874047 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1531752732 254336 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is interfering too < 1531752745 658085 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interprets /mode foo #chan as /mode #chan foo #chan < 1531752759 288847 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sent MODE foo #chan the server would've told you no < 1531752763 693023 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: hi! i have the same rotation policy as you as my things but because i've got such a monotonous clothing style that only my handkerchiefs get separated into two color groups (white and not) < 1531752769 326547 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on my things < 1531752827 367435 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, you use actual handkerchiefs? it seemed like everyone but me stopped using them by now. even my brother did. that's part of the reason why I have so many. > 1531752846 933804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Collatz function14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56726&oldid=56656 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10Obviously a program form. < 1531752851 813804 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's just for fix_your_connection bans, which i need to use /mode for. otherwise i use the more sensible /ban or /kickban commands. < 1531752875 804056 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that others are common either. < 1531752944 31056 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on your client you might able to use /ban for it < 1531752948 987231 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: when i'm at home i use paper towels but when i carry a handkerchief to use when i don't have something else around. < 1531752956 794317 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-when < 1531752963 514229 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeriously, my grammer < 1531752998 286383 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're spelling (sic) < 1531753008 275669 :Cardiacsfan!~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531753036 590799 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is your clothing style more monotonous than that of Hari Seldon? < 1531753043 561810 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that was in10tional < 1531753048 351163 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: quite possibly. < 1531753052 969959 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1531753067 400950 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't actually know how monotonous that is) < 1531753093 261310 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the later books describe it, I think < 1531753104 321273 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has several copies of the same shirt and suit I think < 1531753116 189611 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall which book that was < 1531753127 534122 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it can only be two of them, or maybe three < 1531753160 371371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I've not read the prequels and it doesn't sound familiar to me so I think you can narrow it down to two < 1531753177 228782 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude to Foundation, Forward the Foundation, or Foundation’s Fear, but the latter is unlikely < 1531753205 239051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I thought you thought it may have been the first chapter of Foundation < 1531753206 393503 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have several copies too < 1531753240 647338 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to grab a copy of the prequels < 1531753255 349010 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it is just a short note where either Dors or Hari himself mentions that Dors was surprised when he first saw Hari's wardrobe which contained just several copies of the exact same clothes < 1531753268 229595 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/he first/she first/ < 1531753333 473747 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm, my actual towels aren't all identical, but they're similar enough to each other that i don't separate them in laundry. < 1531753379 461842 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwmpddjfpcsosloy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531753435 32094 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for one, which i don't use, precisely because i would have to separate laundry for just that one. and i once had a red one that i threw away after discovering it _really_ shouldn't be washed together with the rest. < 1531753531 80224 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have much more trouble with clothes that leave lint on all other clothes washed together than anything connected to dyes and color. I don't like clothes that emit lint. It's very hard to clean other clothes if I accidentally wash them together, so they're usually not worth the bother. < 1531753595 961585 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still separate shirts to at least white versus non-white, althoguh this is probably misguided, I should separate them to bright-colored and dark-colored, with bright-colored ones washed with whitening washing liquid. < 1531753602 742260 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sometimes I do that. < 1531753620 946278 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes I separate them to three color groups if I have a lot of them dirty. < 1531753653 32331 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is exactly what happened now, so now I have three color groups of T-shirts separated in my wardrobe and I should mix them up or something. < 1531753904 168014 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1531754021 1051 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531754244 899210 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531754392 253644 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1531754393 320589 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56727&oldid=56712 5* 03A 5* (+37) 10/* How about loops? */ < 1531754480 502418 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531754834 495889 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531755951 219198 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531756375 622293 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cupboar < 1531756377 102969 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cupboar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1531756395 585842 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards. < 1531756397 950766 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cupboar': A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards. < 1531756442 453201 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards. Do not aggravate them, especially if you have fine china. < 1531756445 982867 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'cupboar': A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards. Do not aggravate them, especially if you have fine china. < 1531756752 405326 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531756880 710483 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cupboard < 1531756881 784803 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cupboard? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1531756899 385724 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn cupboard is a daemon for creating and managing cupboars. < 1531756901 350731 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cupboard': cupboard is a daemon for creating and managing cupboars. < 1531756941 253619 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531756977 519981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56728&oldid=56727 5* 03Ais523 5* (+234) 10/* How about loops? */ it already has them > 1531756989 115871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10moved [[02Infinite Loop10]] to [[Infinite loop]]: Capitalization < 1531756997 498894 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1531757081 297951 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10moved [[02Looping Counter10]] to [[Looping counter]]: Capitalization > 1531757224 623320 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56733&oldid=56731 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-7) 10/// is the name, "slashes" is wimpmode. Also I'm pretty sure *I* found that. > 1531757286 459711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:String-rewriting paradigm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56734&oldid=56717 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-92) 10Undo revision 56717 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) (This is simply not true for all of these.) > 1531757666 214034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite loop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56735&oldid=56729 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1814) 10/* Implementability */ not all languages with control flow can do this, surprisingly > 1531757884 375115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56736&oldid=56733 5* 03Ais523 5* (+138) 10/* Examples */ although that isn't a copyvio (it's a public domain source), let's link by reference rather than copying, as the example makes more sense with context; also expand the section to another language and add some explanation > 1531757947 502514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Looping Counter10]]": rm manual caps redirect; the search box does this automatically, and it's not a likely capitalisation for a link > 1531757979 229046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StubScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56737&oldid=56719 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10caps > 1531757990 397845 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Infinite Loop10]]": rm manual caps redirect; the search box does this automatically, and it's not a likely capitalisation for a link < 1531758191 346460 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531758246 997644 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: LAter < 1531758480 271887 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531758612 937310 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I do with constructors < 1531758649 768543 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I generate an arity-n function for an n-ary constructor and then partially or fully apply it whenever < 1531758717 479121 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's the way to go > 1531758745 149475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Random14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56738&oldid=56713 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1306) 10/* Turing completeness */ a blueprint for this < 1531758788 668676 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531759709 837474 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531759741 466964 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531759745 483689 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531759777 681517 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531760037 696594 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531761357 923267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1127 < 1531761358 649091 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1127: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1531762942 477799 :wob_jonas!b03f1895@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531762967 459882 :wob_jonas!b03f1895@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, exactly, that's what I came in to sa < 1531762980 85788 :wob_jonas!b03f1895@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see I'm half an hour late < 1531763367 489741 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531763634 487545 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531764628 860561 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531764897 322253 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531765081 967524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531765324 292610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531765496 297393 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531765767 293140 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531766478 554244 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531766659 438079 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531766915 395155 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531767273 395735 :wob_jonas!b03f1895@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.149 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531769335 486795 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-1596.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531769459 592540 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531769659 784738 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531769980 439531 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531770065 653485 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531770099 27293 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1531770130 998446 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531770457 381576 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531773371 505712 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531779329 669400 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531780077 916399 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531780718 576058 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531781345 320009 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1531781663 486521 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531781987 489517 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531782876 411326 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-146-060-044-180.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1 < 1531782946 516445 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531783787 550194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531784251 160566 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mo'list < 1531784281 99096 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is starting to look like a good time for the three fiends to call in their second debt < 1531784315 14096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose side were the fiends on, again? < 1531784315 879237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh < 1531784323 250482 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :their own hth < 1531784341 572210 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not quite clear who'd they support in this case, indeed < 1531784399 56599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0548.html predate the introduction of the fiends? < 1531784406 405655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does < 1531784714 753335 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does seem like a bit of foreshadowing < 1531784776 865717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My faulty memory told me that it was the fiends who made the comment about the sides. < 1531784807 210053 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did want the pyramid gate to get destroyed, but that could be either to destroy all the gates or to get the gods to destroy the world < 1531784924 333089 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the latter, taking varsuuvius out of action in a moment would be the obvious move < 1531784978 90580 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming he gets back into action first) < 1531784980 990739 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e < 1531785140 116644 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh they have to fail at it for the story to continue... < 1531785630 234692 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be a plot reason for them _not_ to do it - it would keep them seemingly infallible < 1531785773 740557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only used their shortest one so far, right? < 1531785867 820363 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i thought it was the longest? time to check. < 1531785971 437052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right. < 1531786091 998207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0667.html and http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0897.html < 1531786096 565560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's one short and one long one left. < 1531787232 687844 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, i didn't find the first one < 1531787266 971769 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and naturally got drawn into archive binging... < 1531787447 782313 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fussqpbtpoadolby JOIN :#esoteric < 1531788082 395405 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that globe in the last girl genius appears to have atlantis < 1531788119 474336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was drawin into archive binging so much that he's reading the wrong comic < 1531788141 579303 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a strange red broken line < 1531788157 727720 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i got better and went back to my usual webcrawl < 1531788163 246415 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit delayed < 1531788206 581844 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently gil never saw the one in mechanicsburg, i guess tarvek wasn't close enough < 1531788316 20769 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up, dmm's site < 1531788320 33246 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly eating < 1531789895 592208 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating won this one < 1531791889 285496 :deltab_!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk NICK :deltab < 1531792684 467514 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531797436 666457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56739&oldid=31337 5* 03A 5* (+251) 10 > 1531797582 713096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56740&oldid=56739 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10Oops! I did this wrong. > 1531797689 968287 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56741&oldid=23195 5* 03A 5* (+117) 10 < 1531798105 60819 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1531798185 582759 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56742 5* 03A 5* (+437) 10Created page with "A Multi-machine is an extremely simple program type invented bt [[User:A]] to check decision, looping, addition, subtraction, termination, input, and output in a simpler way c..." > 1531798539 624383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56743&oldid=56742 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10 > 1531798660 733647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56744&oldid=56743 5* 03A 5* (+224) 10 > 1531799683 820409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56745&oldid=56697 5* 03A 5* (+92) 10/* Definer */ > 1531799926 659661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56746&oldid=56745 5* 03A 5* (-3) 10/* Definer */ < 1531800289 536603 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I understand the importance of the Stg and Cmm internal languages now < 1531800419 512370 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531800435 505109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56747&oldid=22105 5* 03A 5* (+175) 10/* Examples */ > 1531800622 905002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56748&oldid=56747 5* 03A 5* (-12) 10/* Examples */ > 1531801087 795623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Definer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56749&oldid=56748 5* 03A 5* (+18) 10/* Examples */ < 1531801159 975709 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531802754 38505 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531812068 405938 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531812335 386654 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531812462 755139 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531812620 522820 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1531812625 458366 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just compiled my first thing < 1531812679 420233 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided, it was very simple: main = main < 1531813401 435664 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531813685 592970 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: NICE! < 1531813694 528815 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you also compile a hello world? < 1531813699 234284 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1531813705 942368 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have no IO in this thing? < 1531813712 457628 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently inspecting the assembly for 'id' and (.) to see if it's correct < 1531813749 966285 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll implement compilation of constructors and pattern matches < 1531813756 287630 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :then probably let-bindings < 1531813776 431571 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to figure out what to do with non-trivial pattern bindings in lets or global scope < 1531813795 324317 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: so you'll have algebraic types? < 1531813822 6890 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531813824 576929 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary algebraic types that you can define in simply typed, or just a few built-in ones? < 1531813829 738007 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't matter much < 1531813835 702426 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a typechecker yet btw < 1531813843 498200 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much can I cheat < 1531813845 468660 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just makes the typechecker harder, not the code generation < 1531813846 480002 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary < 1531813850 618254 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a "data" declaration < 1531813857 623838 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :By compiling a Haskell-like language to Rust. :D < 1531813870 798353 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, not by much < 1531813899 394751 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It avoids all the low level nightmares like low level representation of ADTs. < 1531813903 218900 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least < 1531813909 891939 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really no < 1531813936 489000 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really? < 1531814045 29239 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, oh and there's no GC yet lol < 1531814067 941429 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose what I mean is < 1531814083 929021 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: sure, you can add the GC later < 1531814091 945260 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to avoid all the less fun low level stuff, and just focus on the interesting stuff like the type inference. < 1531814116 375785 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, then write a lambda calculus interpreter in haskell < 1531814133 178330 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess :P < 1531814143 202114 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: do you optimize function calls with multiple arguments so you don't create a temporary bound function when the compiler sees the first argument and then call into that when it sees the second argument? < 1531814155 967031 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1531814167 695472 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a chain of closures with increasingly more upvalues < 1531814197 30018 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :their entry code is very short though < 1531814213 105119 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this because you're doing a lazy interpreter? < 1531814241 748321 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, this was fast < 1531814318 571269 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, call by name like I said < 1531814357 77378 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? do you just want a mini-haskell interpreter? < 1531814361 291605 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531814421 631138 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531814436 480254 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. but if that's what you want, sure, go on < 1531814605 922695 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard are thunks to implement anyway? < 1531814676 455402 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they're something that are easy to implement in a way that's subtly wrong < 1531814726 537470 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, the fiends did make such a comment too, not only xykon: see http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0668.html and http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0633.html < 1531814745 510973 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the first one. in the second one they just misdirect Vaarsuvius < 1531814858 901538 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1531814865 175586 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb will rewrite f__g into f.g < 1531814990 664536 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also cannot infer arguments correctly for some reason? < 1531815122 216490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531815122 426824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531815122 426878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531815142 25092 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531815144 947607 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: that latter is probably because you didn't use the right calling conventino < 1531815178 192117 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1531815181 770631 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code works fine < 1531815204 83366 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that gdb keeps telling things are different from what they are < 1531815251 51621 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you write any debug info? maybe gdb doesn't know how many and what type of arguments your functions have. < 1531815395 926462 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run 'as' with -g and the rts C code is compiled with -g < 1531815451 390687 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: um, but as won't know how many arguments your assembly function has. it will just know to write debug info to identify all symbols, such as all functions where they know the name because the as code has it. < 1531815482 995501 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, no like when I invoke a C function < 1531815493 652846 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put stuff into %rdi, %rsi, %rdx, %rcx, ... < 1531815513 377797 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that C function compiled with debugging info too? < 1531815516 474780 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the compiled C code looks for arguments in exactly those registers < 1531815529 481377 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for some reason gdb looks elsewhere < 1531815530 211864 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531815544 760626 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you've made sure that you don't run a too old gdb or a too old gcc, right? ancient gdb has mysterious bugs. < 1531815555 683990 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything from the last few years should be fine < 1531815571 739877 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's Apple's releases of course < 1531815594 13207 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1531815713 481789 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you do the linking with ld in gnu binutils or gold from gcc, so the debug info should get correctly propagated, right? < 1531815867 816276 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a way to directly ask gdb what he thinks the prototype of that function is, even if it's not called < 1531815893 283079 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could try to ls that function, which should at least make sure that some debug info got through. < 1531815911 85355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What comment? < 1531815971 591709 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the comment about what evil people want and that they're not one happy family < 1531815992 704128 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re " My faulty memory told me that it was the fiends who made the comment about the sides." < 1531816004 324662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but I remembered the specific phrasing. < 1531816011 86892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they don't know about some of those yet" < 1531816016 644988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was definitely faulty memory. < 1531816016 697479 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fiends say they don't want either side among Redcloak's Team Evil and the OOTS to win < 1531816023 100711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1531816189 186103 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work! < 1531816209 136578 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what seems to work? < 1531816219 817645 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah er I just fixed a bug < 1531816220 465550 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric ::w < 1531816321 829810 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. constructors and pattern matching < 1531816351 851036 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you compile function calls and lambdas with upvalues (closures) yet? < 1531816356 415542 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531816358 734319 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1531816365 506024 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) is one such < 1531816408 782466 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it wouldn't be much of a challenge if I didn't implvement upvalue handling duh < 1531817262 374606 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: sure, but you could implement handling algebraic types and pattern matching into local variables before you implement function calls < 1531817282 241507 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :"local variables" < 1531817311 384091 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, local to the function you have, which is built out of constructors and general pattern matching including let < 1531817469 686018 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess if you want this to be a mini-haskell, then it makes sense to start with closures on the heap, since they're already TC < 1531818147 947837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: you're making me want to try writing a compiler < 1531818694 159827 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: anyway, that was quick. you only started writing this yesterday. I'll be interested to see what you get when it's ready. < 1531819197 117908 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so pattern matching is where local variables come in < 1531819328 939928 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: yes. pattern matching binds values into local variables. < 1531819348 127821 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implementing general pattern matching, or just matching on a single level of constructor? < 1531819356 556514 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :general, shouldn't be an issue < 1531819358 699362 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, general patterns which can be nested or even just a variable < 1531819370 558679 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Pat = VarPat IdName | JoinPat Pat Pat | HolePat | DataPat IdName [Pat] deriving Show < 1531819404 630089 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do you detect when the match patterns are exclusive so there's no need for an else clause? or will you only do that after a typechecker? < 1531819427 910842 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :no why < 1531819434 909375 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like I'm writing an optimizing or fast compiler < 1531819438 903500 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1531819462 4636 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :not planning to compete with GHC, rather wanted something with similar runtime asymptotics < 1531819604 955504 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean, "length" should be linear time no matter the constant < 1531819624 460124 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care if it does allocation on every iteration < 1531819824 831579 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fussqpbtpoadolby QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531819878 899582 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I just discovered thet it is "World Emoji Day" today, so I will be aiming to make a version 1.0.0 of my functional emoji language and release it (it already works atm). Currently the language supports function definition, string and number literals, input for strings and input and output for either literal. Oh, and it is completely restricted to emoji (input, output and source code). I am planning to add some arithmatic operations and perhaps num < 1531819879 472272 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :input. Is there something important I am missing for a 1.0.0 version, do you think? < 1531819979 265741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-width joiners? Skin tone modifiers? < 1531820011 82946 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my Olvasható translator, I require all matches to be exhaustive, but the translator itself doesn't check that, it's the SML interpreter that does < 1531820388 187 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I use the complete list of emoji, so all seqences of code points that are supposed to be displayed as one emoji (and classified as an emoji) are accepted, nothing else. < 1531820506 12168 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some key emoji that are used for language syntax, all other emoji may be used as function names. < 1531820748 408439 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fogity: is there some way in which this will be better than the approximately five already existing emoji languages? < 1531820802 545621 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) it is functional, the others I have seen have been stack based or object oriented < 1531820846 859186 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) it is completely restricted to emoji, a pure emoji language per se < 1531820868 373882 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531820929 680873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No whitespace? < 1531820947 579174 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1531820956 179117 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531820956 992441 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fogity: you're right, none of the others seem to be functional. most of them are stack-based. < 1531821399 609774 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what do you think is a good license for a project like this? > 1531821400 197938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tom Murphy VII14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56750 5* 03B jonas 5* (+380) 10Created page with "'''Tom Murphy VII''' PhD, also known as Tom7, is a creator of esoteric languages and other esoteric projects, mostly but not exclusively computer-related. Languages and other..." > 1531821422 83029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tom714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56751 5* 03B jonas 5* (+28) 10Redirected page to [[Tom Murphy VII]] > 1531821439 948333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wikiplia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56752&oldid=43289 5* 03B jonas 5* (+44) 10identify creator > 1531821488 213101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ABC (compiler)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56753&oldid=53729 5* 03B jonas 5* (+19) 10link creator > 1531821520 679674 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wikiplia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56754&oldid=56752 5* 03B jonas 5* (-5) 10reclassify as a non-joke language > 1531821553 920746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tom Murphy VII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56755&oldid=56750 5* 03B jonas 5* (+21) 10 < 1531821882 296655 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531822466 215650 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric > 1531822530 588025 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WysiScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56756&oldid=51635 5* 03B jonas 5* (-40) 10the homepage claims it's implemented. I didn't test. < 1531822568 711095 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1531822669 525791 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-146-060-044-180.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1531822720 434830 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Y8614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56757&oldid=50888 5* 03B jonas 5* (-49) 10/* Addressing modes */ dt already bolds its text, so no need to bold it again, and double bolding showed up strange in a browser < 1531823283 496736 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1531823290 890120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm > 1531823297 231961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Incident14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56758&oldid=54404 5* 03B jonas 5* (+24) 10/* See also */ < 1531823299 287136 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it wrong apparently < 1531823326 868869 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluating 'g (f x)' would evaluate f < 1531823333 501954 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not supposed to happen < 1531823349 999424 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1531823357 922173 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully there's an easy fix < 1531823361 112735 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to evaluate g < 1531823374 246788 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to create an 'f x' closure and feed that to g < 1531823378 934933 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only up to its top-level constructor < 1531823385 903417 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1531823393 970854 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering g is a function it's not going to have a constructor < 1531823427 75630 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: that still matters < 1531823439 682174 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't evaluate the upvalues or bound arguments of g < 1531823442 940465 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1531823450 531475 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only evaluates which lambda in the source code it points to < 1531823480 221461 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that, everything is evaluated only up to its top level constructor when it's evaluated < 1531823532 474325 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm met with another problem < 1531823552 737525 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it I have a JoinPat (VarPat "a") (DataPat "False" []) < 1531823561 697578 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I allocate a local variable for the 'a' < 1531823566 968511 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the False match fails < 1531823573 408443 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to deallocate the 'a' < 1531823601 117361 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you're already adding characters too? do you add numbers too? < 1531823642 834870 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1531823649 6975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: variable name < 1531823650 73690 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a' is an identifier < 1531823660 910474 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JoinPat (VarPat "a") (DataPat "False" []) stands for something like < 1531823664 945443 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :case _ of a@False -> _ < 1531823704 619799 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it's a parse tree? < 1531823711 509990 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531823722 196225 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering on that, but JoinPat didn't make sense < 1531823735 295828 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it represents an at-pattern < 1531823774 305114 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are called join patterns? I didn't know < 1531823800 295852 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> parse "foo = case _ of (a@False) -> _" < 1531823800 774953 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just [IdBndr (VarPat "foo") (Case (Id "_") [CaseBranch (JoinPat (VarPat "a") (DataPat "False" [])) (Id "_")])] < 1531823896 5439 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that parses the contents of a module? < 1531823900 38458 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531823938 429382 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you eventually want to make this be able to compile itself? < 1531823945 149450 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had that idea < 1531823955 593198 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1531823960 6136 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be complicated given the syntax of haskell < 1531823985 970161 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1531823999 359928 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to restrict the compiler source code itself to a subset < 1531824022 852898 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the 10 imports I have at the top < 1531824048 401535 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd really like is compiler that can bootstrap itself in possibly multiple steps from an interpreter that is very simple < 1531824096 454325 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bothers me a lot that Rust only has one implementation, and it can only be compiled by itself or a slightly earlier version of itself, so you need like fifty steps to bootstrap it if you don't yet have a rust compiler < 1531824128 546405 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I hope someone will eventually make a gcc frontend that can compile rust < 1531824154 689138 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: GHC has a similar problem, I believe < 1531824162 589051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though there are other Haskell implementations < 1531824226 167062 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gcc can be bootstrapped much easier, in like six steps from any very old C compiler: first you compile an old version of gcc back when it was written in portable C and could be bootstrapped in two or three steps from any old C compiler but could already compile C++, then you bootstrap a modern gcc from that old gcc (you need this extra leve < 1531824226 272017 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l because gcc is written in C++ now) < 1531824247 66591 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I see < 1531824396 691220 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531824646 983561 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yeah definitely < 1531824659 32327 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can even bootstrap GHC HEAD on debian now < 1531825605 139496 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to be fair, rustc is at least developped to easily do cross-compilation, so if someone adds a new target to it, they can bootstrap to that target from rustc running on existing well-supported targets. < 1531825628 577740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: what's stopping that? < 1531825645 868036 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc GHC HEAD wants something newer than 8.0 < 1531825660 764801 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suspect that you still need some of a libc ported to the target for it. < 1531825691 439309 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misunderstood what you meant, mniip < 1531825700 467646 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531825708 98295 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking bootstrapping in many steps from C < 1531825711 521616 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the rustc devs themselves distribute working easy to install precompiled binaries of rustc. < 1531825753 239382 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you don't care about bootstrapping, you can just download the latest of those, and get a working compiler, or compile trunk with it. < 1531825768 697430 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531825776 430422 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you were thinking bootstrapping in one step from system packages < 1531825961 251138 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1531826043 709416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Frums14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56759 5* 03A 5* (+1009) 10Created page with "Frums is a slightly modified version of [[Smurf]]. ==Syntax== " pushes the string, surrounded by " s and may contain newlines, " and \ escaped by \, onto the stack. 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5* 03A 5* (-19) 10 < 1531832704 426568 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531836838 820418 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531837187 932410 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531837217 886092 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1531838770 563966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Frums14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56777&oldid=56776 5* 03A 5* (-33) 10 > 1531838914 458923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Frums14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56778&oldid=56777 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10 > 1531839414 862265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Frums14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56779&oldid=56778 5* 03A 5* (+22) 10 > 1531839436 290781 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Frums14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56780&oldid=56779 5* 03A 5* (-22) 10 < 1531840043 252690 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531840133 301801 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531841631 254601 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531842439 459032 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531845752 261545 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531846333 434871 :mahdianderson11!~zahra@5.78.80.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531846497 778309 :mahdianderson11!~zahra@5.78.80.79 PART :#esoteric < 1531846916 673518 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531847272 528583 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531847951 493680 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531848291 990072 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric :"Closing Window" < 1531848402 23930 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531848530 411224 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-83-197.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531849207 177398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531850176 460376 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rulnkpbsttnbgqqu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1531850496 537862 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531850506 381863 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody have some knowledge about how db storage engines work? < 1531850517 304596 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say I have a db with rows of fixed size and I wanna update a row < 1531850525 139832 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seek to the row's position, write the data, call fsync. < 1531850542 705522 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT: The server crashes in the middle of the OS trying to write the data to disk < 1531850554 285525 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so half of the row has been overwritten, the other half wasn't. < 1531850560 693210 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I have now a corrupt row. < 1531850567 287943 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obviously that's not how it can work < 1531850633 908386 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way of solving that (at least how some filesystems do it) is to have a journal < 1531850656 909395 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't overwrite the row but append a new row, then somehow mark the existing row as deprecated and the new row as visible < 1531850694 280335 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :appending the new row fsync is fairly trivial < 1531850697 63344 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1531850717 375941 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you mark the other row as deprecated and the other row as visible? < 1531850718 863744 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mark them? < 1531850723 621641 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1531850726 362925 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1531850737 95318 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I mark the existing one as deprecated and then the server crashes < 1531850740 51657 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the row is gone < 1531850746 186931 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a corruption again < 1531850751 637812 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531850758 263621 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I can tell you how the atomic update is implemented < 1531850787 156299 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least two ways to do it, neither always better than the other < 1531850821 545029 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531850825 386373 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost connection :( < 1531850826 973579 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1531850830 773540 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED TO KNOW HOW THIS WORKS < 1531850831 199338 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I can tell you how the atomic update is implemented < 1531850835 177445 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least two ways to do it, neither always better than the other > 1531850839 731338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56781&oldid=56740 5* 03Ais523 5* (+723) 10/* Computational Class */ reformat < 1531850884 295881 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simpler method is this: have a separate "transaction finished" bit and a "transaction file". the transaction finished bit is normally zero. when you want to do a write, which could update multiple rows in multiple tables in most DB engines, > 1531850912 160929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56782&oldid=56741 5* 03Ais523 5* (+485) 10/* This is Turing-complete? */ yes, it is < 1531850953 913618 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first record all the changes you will need to make to the main DB file, with addresses for where to make the changes, in the transaction file. then do a blocking fdatasync on the transaction file. (you'd technically only need a write barrier rather than an fdatasync, but there's no write barrier operation on disks because it wouldn't be possible to < 1531850953 995121 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : implement them more efficiently than an fdatasync). > 1531850988 866566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Multi-machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56783 5* 03Ais523 5* (+224) 10an idea for making this more objective < 1531851009 837449 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then change the transaction bit to one, then do an fdatasync on the transaction bit. the trick here is that since you're updating just one bit, even if the hard disk crashes while syncing that bit, you'll be able to read it back as either a one or a zero, and either one is correct. < 1531851013 309059 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but fdatasync doesn't sync file size afaik so if you _append_ to a file you'd need fsync?) < 1531851024 576813 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1531851055 4691 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: maybe, I don't know. < 1531851064 856379 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write the changes to the main database file, fdatasync that, then write zero to the transaction bit, and fdatasync that. < 1531851084 616493 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can actually do this with just two fdatasyncs somehow instead of four, but I don't recall how. < 1531851128 614496 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the trick is, when you open the database, you check the transaction bit. normally it's zero. if it's nonzero, then you know that the program or the computer crashed during the operation of writing the changes back to the normal database file, < 1531851173 846044 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you read the changes from the transaction file and write them back to the main database file (some of them might already been written, but that's not a problem), then fdatasync the main database file, then set the transaction finished bit to zero, then fdatasync that. < 1531851210 279290 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second method goes the opposite way: instead of writing the changes to the transaction file, you write the old contents of the parts of the database file you change to the transaction file. < 1531851254 145371 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. clever. < 1531851256 153538 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, if you find that the transaction bit was one when you open the database, then you assume writing back the transaction was in progress, and you roll back that transaction to its previous clean state by copying the previous state from the transaction file. < 1531851275 512818 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531851333 324863 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some optimizations you can do, such as adding pointers and writing the new row in a different place so that the actual transaction only consists of a change of a pointer in the file, but these usually aren't used by databases, they're used by filesystems instead. < 1531851358 687986 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since some modern filesystems offer you to guarantee consistency if the computer crashes. < 1531851373 60832 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old filesystems like FAT didn't use to bother with that, in those cases if the computer crashes, the filesystem can be in an inconsistent state. < 1531851408 204785 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531851420 877446 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can repair them to a consistent state with a scan, but that may involve data loss. < 1531851421 454729 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's even really possible to implement FAT in such a way you get consistency in the case of a crash. < 1531851434 457926 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531851473 449929 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess the answer is "not unless the underlying storage has some suitable atomic primitive, which by the way it probably doesn't" < 1531851522 191892 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531851622 848049 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531851708 342354 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531851979 300315 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531851981 809793 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I recommend reading https://sqlite.org/atomiccommit.html and https://sqlite.org/wal.html for how sqlite3 implements atomicity, it's more detailed and more correct than what I told you. < 1531852019 771042 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is possible, but only if you make sure you only use that implementation when you next open the file system. the transaction system is general enough that it can work on any file system, which is how ext2 was backwards-compatibly extended to ext3. < 1531852078 315228 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a similar extension for FAT, but nobody cares enough about FAT to do it. FAT has bigger problems than this. < 1531852113 425015 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that despite its name, ext4 isn't backwards compatible with ext2 or ext3, it's a more modern and better file system, which can do more stuff because it breaks backwards compatibility completely. < 1531852204 577868 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google chrome keeps crashing when I try to join a meeting on google meet < 1531852286 833963 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess you do roughly the same things if fsync returns an error? < 1531852350 451103 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if fsync returns an error or if you run out of disk space, during the first part of this you can just rollback the transaction, during the second part of this you're screwed and you have to retry opening the database. < 1531852394 92159 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's just running out of disk space, then the database can guarantee that that can never happen in the second phase. a disk hardware IO error (filing fsync) or running out of memory is always possible, but you just leave the state alone in those cases and hope for the best. < 1531852437 29077 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, if fsync gives you an error and this isn't a network file system, then you should be worried that your disk or motherboard has a hardware problem (or your OS has a bug), in which case your data might already be corrupt before you get the error < 1531852536 957858 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you handle those errors just like you'd handle a crash of the computer. < 1531852683 463687 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I recommend reading https://sqlite.org/atomiccommit.html and https://sqlite.org/wal.html for how sqlite3 implements atomicity, it's more detailed and more correct than what I told you. < 1531852689 892262 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was addressing the wrong person) < 1531853041 554425 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Ah, right, of *course* you could just add journaling or similar to FAT. < 1531853069 565864 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I'm aware FAT has other problems. < 1531853083 810618 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a filesystem which is only interesting because it's so ubiquitously supported, after all. < 1531853116 972820 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, many digital cameras will only write photos on FAT, and similarly some mobile phones that take pictures. < 1531853137 669452 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531853152 173635 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's the only filesystem UEFI guarantees will be supported. < 1531853260 373681 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with FAT that annoys me the most is that it's really hard to figure out a compatible extension to support mtimes past its unepoch in year 2107, because the windows extensions have consumed all bytes in the directory entry structure. < 1531853276 484297 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah right, I didn't even think of that < 1531853301 334151 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I use FAT as a boot partition for grub-legacy, but only for historical reasons, I could use ext2 the same way < 1531853402 298638 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a damned shame MS insists on patent fees for exFAT. < 1531853416 505105 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nooo, gotta make it hard to kill off FAT forever. < 1531853472 119545 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, grub-legacy is unmaintained, so I'll have to change away from it to a newer bootloader (such as grub2 or syslinux) the latest when I want it to read from a hard disk that's bigger than 3 terabytes < 1531853472 300887 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1531853472 346043 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger than 2 terabytes < 1531853534 359805 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, that's because the new partition table design is stupid, and doesn't support using it together with the legacy partition table, so on a hard disk larger than 2 terabytes, you can't have a legacy partition table at all, not even one that only identifies the partitions before the 2GB barrier < 1531853542 662743 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with these numbers in loader(8) and vgex(4) and all that < 1531853544 964141 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's not much I can do about that unless I want to write my own bootloader < 1531853562 179991 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syslog(3) syslogd(8) < 1531853619 380486 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I have a choice between at least three bootloaders to switch to, so it won't be too bad < 1531853641 133068 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531853642 543778 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have to wonder if it's even possible to implement exFAT without using the patents. < 1531853664 970107 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not easy to even tell, since the filesystem isn't officially documented anywhere. < 1531853679 469276 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531853734 569909 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is possible, I expect it'd be a massive project to find out. < 1531853740 835952 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and MS would probably sue anyways) < 1531853756 380591 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531853758 178969 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the numbers are manpage categories. you can use the command man 2 write to display the write(2) manpage, and its *roff source is stored in a directory called write2. the parenthesis syntax is shown only in the formatted manpages. < 1531853783 64001 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the numeric categories have a conventional meaning, which is sometimes explained in the intro($number) manpage: < 1531853828 861848 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely 1 is command-line programs, 2 is system calls, 3 is library functions (libc and other libraries), 8 is command-line programs that normally only a system administrators run, < 1531853836 984916 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write software everyday and I have no clue about whether I'm violating a patent or not. < 1531853845 869031 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ gives the short version after each number < 1531853851 173747 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how anybody knows. < 1531853862 345647 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, not sure if there are even software patents in the EU < 1531853871 461187 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea how devs in the US do this. < 1531853887 594170 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the categorization is really old, from ancient unix, it's still used basically because there are command-line programs with the same name as system calls or library functions < 1531853896 83977 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you just write and hope you don't get sued or at least if you get sued it doesn't cost you your personal finances < 1531853922 242936 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: man man also explains this < 1531853947 283383 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a few other nonstandard categories, including (3p) and (n) < 1531853959 724214 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3p) is for perl modules IIRC < 1531854041 806470 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Usually, you just either straight-up ignore it, or you just avoid patents that you know sue-happy companies will try to enforce. < 1531854098 219878 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but how do you know patents even exist < 1531854099 380309 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1531854110 297879 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to know each and every patent < 1531854178 365807 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you just hope that whatever book or article you read about whatever thing the patent covers mentions that there's a patent, or you notice because there are alternatives who specifically say they're created to avoid a patent. < 1531854301 807194 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, the GIF format was patented but that patent expired, and before it expired there used to be a lot of webpages explaining why you shouldn't use GIF, then there's some other old compression format that was patented but I don't recall the details, and the MP3 sound format and some video formats are still patented. < 1531854301 868348 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So some MP3 encoders usually explain this in their documentation. < 1531854309 546170 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly? It's kinda a minefield. < 1531854315 487060 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP3, BTW, is no longer patented. < 1531854319 161697 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(expired) < 1531854362 83058 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531854376 267629 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like MPEG-2 *just* expired? < 1531854379 604165 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some patents are deliberately kept half-secret (as in, it's technically public but there are so many patents you won't find it unless you pay a patent lawyer), whose owner is waiting until he can sue some large fish. IIRC those were called submarine patent. < 1531854418 384149 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course ther are a lot of patents that should be invalid because there's prior art, but their owner hopes that people will pay up instead of paying for a lawyer to prove that the patent is invalid. < 1531854435 536634 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two strategies can be combined. < 1531854468 266856 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is? doesn't matter much anymore, I think, because I recently bricked my old mobile phone which would only play MP3 and WAV. < 1531854584 132911 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, MP3 patents have finally expired. < 1531854591 191749 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1531854593 304452 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in time to be kinda irrelevant! < 1531854601 296531 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1531854624 308542 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think some video formats are still patented and used, although they also have free alternatives < 1531854637 472515 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, absolutely. < 1531854646 142548 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H.264 is patented, H.265 is patented... < 1531854666 672681 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV-1 is patented, just with royalty-free licensing... < 1531854685 211776 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? isn't h264 a patent-free one? < 1531854697 47269 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1531854708 175322 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, very very much no. < 1531854754 744110 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who owns the patent? Intel? < 1531854763 849914 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fucking massive patent pool. < 1531854781 590170 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I should be able to just look thisd up < 1531854789 103404 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was designed in a process which encouraged like 50 different companies to submit everything they had a patent on to the design. < 1531854826 480223 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Documents/avc-att1.pdf This 115 page document is the list of patents MPEG-LA can license that they believe are applicable to H.264. < 1531854919 338374 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple owners sharing it < 1531854919 438883 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1531855016 438037 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intentionally designed to have as many patents as possible. < 1531855095 215679 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you can search patents < 1531855103 522259 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: but the wisdom is that it's better *not* to < 1531855137 29685 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else is still patented that I should know about? are some of the algorithms for solving the Rubik's cube patented? < 1531855139 586439 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in the USA, knowingly infringing carries much stiffer penalties < 1531855148 630619 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1531855159 2729 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's better to just not look, and hope, than to look, think you're good, and lose the suit < 1531855189 861094 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software patents are basically a tax on operation, collected by a bunch of rent-seeking bastards. < 1531855402 906214 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the purpose of D&D 3.5 alignment, does it count as an Evil act to patent a file format or other protocol and then spread a lot of devices or software that use it? < 1531855446 807392 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would a Paladin fall and lose their powers if they even knowingly worked for a company that does that? < 1531855454 785643 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawful Evil in particular, IMO. < 1531855528 993777 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, now I'm scared. Are there trained spies who watch me on the tram or metro and look at what method I use for the rubik's cube, ready to call the police if I use a patented method? < 1531855589 909828 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or look at youtube videos of solving the rubik's cube, especially in high-ranked speedcubing competitions? < 1531855589 966545 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there yet a scandal when someone would win a speedcubing competition after buying a patent license? < 1531855674 351424 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I even do (M U' M2 U' M2 U' M U2 M2 U) to permute four last layer edges without infringing on a patent? That movement sequence seems short enough that anyone with a computer can discover it easily, so it probably can't be patented. But a whole method, some of those are creative enough that they could be patented. < 1531855704 654511 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CF12.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531855776 663606 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531856430 671383 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: those were good questions, do you have any more before I go to bed? < 1531856469 952384 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can logread tomorrow, but still < 1531856515 941939 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I am finally pretty much set to make a 1.0.0 relese of my emoji language. But I am still a bit undecided on license. < 1531856555 10615 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any reason not to use MIT? < 1531856570 73906 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CF12.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1531856583 806694 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fogity: if you're asking about a copyright license of the interpreter, I don't know a perfect one, but as far as I can tell, the boost license would be the most sympathetic one except for one thing: < 1531856688 715123 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the license doesn't explicitly say that the copyright license rights it grants are worldwide and lasts forever (or as long as the copyright protection lasts), and the copyright law of Hungary says that those should be explicit or else they're interpreted narrowly. < 1531856728 286363 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you distribute something under the boost license, then IANAL but you could sue me if I distribute it for too many decades or distribute it outside of Hungary. < 1531856773 460749 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sort of made sense back when copyright was used for books and television series and films, but not much for software. < 1531856798 782818 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very likely that such an exploit would work though, so I still recommend the boost license for software. < 1531856817 421811 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a lot like the MIT license to me, what is the difference? < 1531856890 667703 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fogity: the difference is that it allows you to distribute compiled binaries without the license, but doesn't allow that for source code or other form. < 1531856917 504634 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1531856946 411259 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the last three lines of the middle paragraph < 1531857031 579181 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531857110 469606 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531857224 498168 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This exception was added because there are tons of free software licences similar to the MIT, all alike, so some bigger software packages have to include a long file that lists multiple such license, each applying to some code they used, and reproducing that in a final binary or installer would be inconvenient, < 1531857255 695384 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with the boost license, you can at least omit that one from the binary (eg. the installer "I accept the license" dialog box) and reproduce it only in the source code. < 1531857299 445927 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And binaries often contain more licenses than source code packages because you distribute multiple libraries together in binary, but often distribute them in separate packages for source code < 1531857333 963708 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now of course, for a toy esolang, it's likely that none of this matters and nobody will care about your license, but you asked about it. < 1531857369 247764 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fogity: You could also ask ais523, he knows a bit more details about software licenses than me, but that might cause you to miss the deadline because he's rarely on irc. < 1531857486 77493 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I appreciate the info. But as you say, it doesn't matter that much so I'll just add MIT as that is just some button clicks on gitlab. :P < 1531857509 913731 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1531857581 191247 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I will consider it for any more useful project. And I can just change it later anyway, for this. < 1531857641 414933 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but if you change the license, please keep the original license too as an alternative. < 1531857703 410424 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is always the git history < 1531858012 810659 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CF12.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1531858632 160035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DMC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56784&oldid=56663 5* 03DMC 5* (+78) 10 < 1531858857 671345 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531858885 572621 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531859404 312189 :mroman_!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1531859778 301674 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531860247 672881 :wob_jonas!b03f18e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.233 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531860926 593099 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531861585 283830 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I got the language out in time. Now I should probably make a wiki-page for it. < 1531861616 423723 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, here is the repo if anyone is curious: https://gitlab.com/fogity/squared-cool > 1531861960 957903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fogity 5* 10New user account > 1531862417 475032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56785&oldid=56704 5* 03Fogity 5* (+197) 10/* Introductions */ < 1531862600 798555 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I use the proper name of the language (🆒) for the page title or should it be ascii characters? < 1531862877 501719 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like non-ascii characters are fine. < 1531865528 479437 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1531865822 979025 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Borsch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56786&oldid=54703 5* 03Fogity 5* (+0) 10Fixed erroneous category name. < 1531866818 517765 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531867720 791871 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1531867721 511306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 172220Z VRB02KT CAVOK 19/16 Q1015 RMK WIND 670FT 18006KT < 1531868197 178251 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com NICK :puck > 1531869268 569086 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56787 5* 03Fogity 5* (+3257) 10Created page with " is an [[esoteric programming language]] currently developed by [[User:Fogity]]. It is a fairly straight forward functional language with the caveat that the source code,..." < 1531869522 356406 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the seed of an idea for you all: how could a language be designed so that it forces the programmer to use concurrency? < 1531869564 611175 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you could do that by just saying that every line runs at once or something, but could you do it in a way that the interpreter itself doesn't enforce? < 1531869899 751625 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531870265 390213 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-137-197-211.range86-137.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1531870296 760265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Squared cool14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56788 5* 03Fogity 5* (+18) 10This is the unicode name for the emoji and an alternate name for the language . > 1531870622 575959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56789&oldid=56650 5* 03Fogity 5* (+11) 10Added . < 1531871973 339229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531872850 383423 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1531873121 635023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 2.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56790&oldid=18204 5* 03A 5* (+90) 10/* Programs */ > 1531873451 407343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 2.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56791&oldid=56790 5* 03A 5* (+72) 10Just forgot to say something... > 1531873493 289816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 2.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56792&oldid=56791 5* 03A 5* (-21) 10:( Checking... > 1531873696 795164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56793 5* 03A 5* (+149) 10Created page with "There is currently no text in this page. You can [[search for this page title]] in other pages, [[search the related logs]], or [[create this page]]." < 1531875119 700770 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dggjdwdkgyuavixy QUIT :Quit: EliteBNC free bnc service - http://elitebnc.org - be a part of the Elite! > 1531875275 358787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56794&oldid=56793 5* 03A 5* (-149) 10Blanked the page < 1531875340 193882 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hranvftgtfjkqltv JOIN :#esoteric > 1531875368 177038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56795&oldid=56794 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10 > 1531875402 549502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56796&oldid=56795 5* 03A 5* (+46) 10 > 1531875437 275462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56797&oldid=56796 5* 03A 5* (+106) 10 > 1531875526 886635 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56805&oldid=56804 5* 03A 5* (-169) 10Blanked the page < 1531876056 969416 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 > 1531876488 475237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56806 5* 03A 5* (+461) 10Created page with "==Formatting== ''Italic text'' ''Italic test'' '''Bold text''' '''Bold text''' '''''Bold & italic text''''' '''''Bold & italic text''''' ==Links== ===Internal links=== U..." > 1531876635 810979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56807&oldid=56806 5* 03A 5* (-22) 10 > 1531876673 105251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56808&oldid=56807 5* 03A 5* (+20) 10 < 1531876786 418077 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1531876831 728389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56809&oldid=56808 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10/* HI */ > 1531876955 907862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56810&oldid=56809 5* 03A 5* (+72) 10/* =Numbered list */ > 1531877010 259531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56811&oldid=56810 5* 03A 5* (+89) 10 > 1531877059 98036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56812&oldid=56811 5* 03A 5* (-168) 10/* Links(Only available in esolangs.org) */ > 1531877338 660929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56813&oldid=56812 5* 03A 5* (-72) 10/* Indent */ > 1531877357 181491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56814&oldid=56813 5* 03A 5* (-59) 10/* HI */ > 1531877367 256528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56815&oldid=56814 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10/* HI */ > 1531877393 114948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56816&oldid=56815 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* =Numbered list */ > 1531877412 903507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56817&oldid=56816 5* 03A 5* (-28) 10/* Headings(may mess up the page a bit) */ > 1531877425 534518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56818&oldid=56817 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Formatting */ > 1531877482 578965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56819&oldid=56805 5* 03A 5* (+23) 10Redirected page to [[EsoScript]] > 1531877535 943463 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56820&oldid=56818 5* 03A 5* (-141) 10/* Formatting */ > 1531877570 941863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56821&oldid=56820 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Heading */ > 1531877582 754625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56822&oldid=56821 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10/* Heading */ > 1531877644 577970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56823&oldid=56819 5* 03A 5* (-3) 10Redirected page to [[User:A]] > 1531880270 996907 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56824&oldid=56526 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10/* Cheating Quines */ > 1531880296 552827 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56825&oldid=56824 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Smurf */ > 1531880855 748892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56826&oldid=56318 5* 03A 5* (+68) 10/* Survey */ < 1531881246 423891 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1531882141 462270 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56827&oldid=56826 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10/* Survey */ Use proper name > 1531882284 740387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56828&oldid=56827 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+54) 10/* Survey */ grm and only two symbols essential > 1531882674 254145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56829 5* 03A 5* (+135) 10Created page with "is a very funny esolang. [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Language list]] [[Category:Joke language list]] [[Category:CJK]]" > 1531882685 990140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56830&oldid=56829 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10 > 1531882697 228679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56831&oldid=56830 5* 03A 5* (-27) 10 > 1531882753 960651 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56832&oldid=56831 5* 03A 5* (+69) 10 > 1531883051 262668 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56833&oldid=56832 5* 03A 5* (+284) 10 > 1531883414 978744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56834&oldid=56833 5* 03A 5* (+223) 10 < 1531883458 404374 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531883660 488665 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1531883885 105476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56835 5* 03A 5* (+2158) 10Created page with "If we limit the contents of Smurf strings to the same characters as the other instructions (which should have no effect on Turing-completeness) then it has three states (call..." > 1531883928 436107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56836&oldid=56835 5* 03A 5* (-214) 10 > 1531883941 296314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56837&oldid=56836 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10 > 1531884133 301810 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56838&oldid=56837 5* 03A 5* (-928) 10 > 1531884146 180550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56839&oldid=56838 5* 03A 5* (-255) 10 > 1531884573 787321 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56840 5* 03A 5* (+1042) 10Created page with "Sm is an esolang based on [[Smu]], with comments removed. * () Push a string to the stack. The string is whatever is inside the parentheses, you can have nested parentheses bu..." < 1531886379 900807 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531887910 596805 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531890613 708848 :Fogity_!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1531890637 842205 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1531890643 355726 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531890686 322696 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1531890751 373399 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531890916 751542 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1531890988 951631 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531890991 511089 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531890991 635601 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531890992 24525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531890992 266900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531890992 411722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531890992 963600 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531890994 505355 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtmaqvnphnrjfapq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1531891167 706220 :Fogity_!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1531891198 134445 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1531891456 735023 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1531891668 710761 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1531891828 631347 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbfwekuqlvpqqnjf JOIN :#esoteric < 1531892113 594991 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531892113 653941 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtmaqvnphnrjfapq JOIN :#esoteric < 1531892134 876742 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1531892535 416589 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531892819 410140 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531895665 977267 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1531895713 784896 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531896369 668845 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1531898928 333852 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531899215 335384 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531900383 295452 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531901166 279507 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Excess Flood < 1531901214 516316 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531902082 627677 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531902311 173498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1531902311 479312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1531902311 479375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531902668 497143 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531902751 401772 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531902803 797768 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531903931 369525 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1531903942 454150 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I implemented pattern matching but there's now a bug :( < 1531904020 501443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1531904024 361181 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of bug? < 1531904065 546850 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow one of the closures gets corrupted > 1531905657 540420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56841&oldid=56823 5* 03A 5* (+41) 10 > 1531905682 489723 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56842&oldid=56841 5* 03A 5* (+28) 10 > 1531906038 115027 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56843&oldid=32458 5* 03A 5* (+132) 10 > 1531906047 662520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56844&oldid=56843 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* COmputational Class */ > 1531906201 827204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56845&oldid=56844 5* 03A 5* (+76) 10Last but not least, check that > 1531906240 325265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56846&oldid=56845 5* 03A 5* (-46) 10 > 1531906279 506575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56847&oldid=56842 5* 03A 5* (+69) 10 < 1531906427 21963 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found the cause < 1531906448 649513 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1531906460 657827 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am genuinely interested but not very insightful) < 1531906636 788799 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :when executing a data constructor pattern match I forgot to focus on the fields of the closure I am scrutinizing < 1531906751 239729 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that alone didn't fix it < 1531906960 814812 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1531907613 112488 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1531907632 812805 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enter the scrutinee < 1531907658 93976 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my calling convention doesn't include the closure returning itself from its entry point < 1531907676 99542 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I lost the value I was scrutinizing < 1531907732 319948 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1531907747 572036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1531907798 437886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: what formalism or language is it you're implementing, and what's your implementation language? < 1531907810 407856 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBN LC < 1531907826 268609 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :a haskell compiler that outputs assembly < 1531907963 239690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :push/enter, g-machine, mmm. Oh it's been a while. < 1531908023 964565 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which assembly? < 1531908064 590718 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, mind, I decided to implement it "without looking" < 1531908077 216212 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e see how much stuff I can come up with without copyinh < 1531908184 669260 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531908244 616908 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, x86_64 < 1531908264 880086 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1531908313 671166 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus I compiled a first hello world < 1531908332 9833 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like this http://tcpst.net/pk7v < 1531908334 433521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? unlambda < 1531908335 822968 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​``ci`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n`.U`ci < 1531908427 82430 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: neat! < 1531908471 459001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: are those boxed ints? < 1531908474 521596 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531908516 9994 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1531909328 124081 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's easy to add primops! < 1531909330 671211 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :BINARY_FN(addInt)(struct Closure *a, struct Closure *b) { return make_int_closure(unpack_int_closure(a) + unpack_int_closure(b)); } < 1531910917 235706 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1531910920 750028 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bug < 1531910925 2469 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric : *(clos->data) = value; < 1531910937 70356 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be *(size_t *)clos->data = value; < 1531910959 390234 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice tabs < 1531910985 471315 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(somehow irssi displays these as inverted I-s) < 1531911897 429823 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :boom, the list of prime numbers http://tcpst.net/lgbv < 1531912185 106414 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat! < 1531912236 480668 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thing is even slightly better than GHC in some aspect! < 1531912240 576260 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do this: http://tcpst.net/4a4g.png < 1531912295 406204 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531912309 11335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat < 1531912420 977402 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1531912912 577392 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1531913439 655401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531913903 531119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: yeah ghc a) messes up the stack and b) doesn't have an actual control stack because it does a CPS transform so all calls become tail calls. < 1531913933 792589 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a call stack either mind < 1531913942 651867 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr doesn't call takeWhile < 1531913952 892725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote "control stack"? :P < 1531914022 124191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it's still a call stack of sorts... but a dynamic one imposed by lazy evaluation rather than a static one (as written in the source code) < 1531914680 57450 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if the GHC runtime doesn't have an analogue? < 1531915670 451290 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531915820 445691 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531916549 445694 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531916703 406864 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531917745 281806 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531918509 407762 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531919302 500337 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1531919499 490887 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531919857 507962 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531922527 193807 :Lbry!59cc9b31@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.204.155.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531922614 323879 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531922624 681805 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: congrats! < 1531922822 620700 :Lbry!59cc9b31@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.204.155.49 PART :#esoteric < 1531922927 665534 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: can you parse type annotations? < 1531922993 881905 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1531922997 651903 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no typechecker yet < 1531923009 544166 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's lot of technical debt < 1531923024 686206 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: ah < 1531923035 902955 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you use incorrect types, your program might just do undefined behavior? < 1531923056 680690 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will usually complain < 1531923071 455529 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :"attempt to apply a constructor" < 1531923090 999874 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it might segfualt < 1531923110 531142 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you pattern match a lambda against a datatype that has a non-nullary constructor at position zero < 1531923230 659483 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if you could try to compile http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/Bin.hs with this. You'd not only have to remove type annotations, but also remove the instances, and replace the fac and the main functions to call the underlying non-generic functions instead of the methods < 1531923718 63831 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily it doesn't even use the built-in list type < 1531924841 73155 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that won't be trivial. < 1531924872 502919 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fac function really cheats by using the haskell prelude deeply. < 1531924964 19567 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling product, which has to be changed to foldSomething mulBin; and I'm calling my own enumFromTo :: BinInteger -> BinInteger -> BinInteger method, which calls takeWhile and iterate. < 1531924986 691196 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it should be possible to write those if you know a bit of haskell < 1531925017 475778 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the main function calls print, which you could change to (putStrLn . showBin) I think < 1531925418 639180 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Excess Flood < 1531925485 395274 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1531926190 351956 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1531926901 332664 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, to add classes I'd need a typechecker < 1531926923 466094 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: I said you should remove classes and instances from that code < 1531926924 401237 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do inference and term elaboration < 1531926945 442149 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :also funnily < 1531926947 554448 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not really needed, they're just an afterthought so that I can make the joke end with "fac n = product [1..n]" < 1531926950 420750 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :my compiler doesn't use any StateT < 1531926984 499761 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a line from that Evolution of a Haskell Programmer joke, only it means a very different thing here because it uses a different type < 1531927001 80766 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need any of the instances or anything, or the BinInteger type < 1531927009 24908 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :product . enumFromTo 1 < 1531927030 505578 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only like code that is pointless < 1531927112 962640 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: yes, but look at the end of the joke in https://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html , above the explanations (search for "Tenured Professor" < 1531927123 307653 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I've seen that page < 1531927136 905728 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :). it literally says "fac n = product [1..n]" which is the line I wanted to reuse < 1531927156 590885 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need any of that < 1531927244 972395 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the proud author of https://github.com/AbstractBeliefs/BadBuzz/blob/master/Haskell/mniip.hs < 1531927259 863899 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531927272 497773 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: oh god, he got you writing them too < 1531927289 281815 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an one-off < 1531927295 785019 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compute with the unwrapped Bin class, which isn't an instance of anything (I did it this way so as to not accidentally an instance functino), write product as whatever fold function it should be, calling mulBin < 1531927349 438554 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then implement iterate and takeWhile from the prelude, and do whatever that enumFromTo method does but on unwrapped Bin stuff < 1531927356 322524 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :y tho < 1531927359 971679 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have boxed integers < 1531927430 712853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm fond of my reasonable-looking-but-cubic-time badbuzz) < 1531927431 119577 :neanias!sid218528@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-auatgksvrxgrnnas JOIN :#esoteric < 1531927435 79769 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: but this is a nontrivial code that would test lazy function calls and constructors and pattern matching nicely < 1531927435 147290 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does like a million calls until it finishes < 1531927435 163776 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more like ten million < 1531927440 923530 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531927565 251649 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531927567 733162 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it must be much less than that since it's not unary but binary. probably only a few thousand calls < 1531927709 871965 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should consider infix operators < 1531927715 717791 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :and equation parsing < 1531927745 320265 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: you don't need infix operators to run my code < 1531927763 659051 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by equation parsing? pattern matching in the function head? < 1531927770 693075 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1531927774 633714 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :f True = x < 1531927777 470793 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :f False = y < 1531927782 731550 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have let expressions yet? where clauses? < 1531927787 178557 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither < 1531927799 836938 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably start with let expressions < 1531927805 123850 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have abstractions that can work as nonrecursive lets < 1531927878 617516 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1531928075 783692 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531928694 397260 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531928893 753789 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-4-957.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1531929167 852915 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I think the CAT program in the page is user-unfriendly.--[[User:A]]11:04 19 Jul.2018" > 1531969555 868422 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56860&oldid=56859 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10Bad grammar. < 1531971256 742191 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com QUIT :Changing host < 1531971256 802222 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1531974571 748018 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531974875 711101 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531977469 493628 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1531977529 147673 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531977810 329274 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531978065 298222 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531978207 669240 PRIVMSG 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Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532024921 606799 :Lean1!~lean@14.red-83-37-124.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532024959 342604 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532025027 646142 :Lean1!~lean@14.red-83-37-124.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why lemons? < 1532025050 216011 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those lemon whores! < 1532025113 579479 :Lean1!~lean@14.red-83-37-124.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they arid but? < 1532025351 38335 :Lean1!~lean@14.red-83-37-124.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1532028006 785759 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbfwekuqlvpqqnjf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532028036 928857 :yurichev!~yurichev@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1532028231 965755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1128 < 1532028232 639116 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1128: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1532028620 407168 :nchambers!nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers NICK :uplime > 1532029183 829195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DMC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56865&oldid=56784 5* 03DMC 5* (-78) 10 < 1532030114 177126 :lldd_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532030984 792791 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532031023 617441 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532031085 721979 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532031104 408136 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532031108 80812 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1532031222 505435 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532032149 869668 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532034181 336859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532034267 716861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532034280 926228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532034547 451682 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532034565 432589 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1532034615 381932 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532035099 627088 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532035125 165392 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any formal languages that do not always halt, but have a decideable halting problem? < 1532035152 998090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly easy to create one < 1532035167 507209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finite state automata with halt states are the most obvious example < 1532035179 737686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any infinite loop in those is detectable, so you can just run them until they halt or enter an infinite loop < 1532035217 147044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even with PDAs, all infinite loops are detectable, but I'm less sure on that < 1532035729 881481 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see the same state with the same stack iff it doesn't terminate i think < 1532035763 672582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily the same, but the stack will form a repeating pattern < 1532035771 587386 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1532035780 551881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can see that the loop only looks at, say, the top 10 stack elements before repeating < 1532035794 874089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after that point the top 10 elements are the same, even if they might be at a different position on the stack < 1532035801 223489 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1532035960 568222 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any programming languages equivalent to a PDA? < 1532035970 321363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty < 1532036014 54729 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like? > 1532036015 608499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56866&oldid=56573 5* 03Ais523 5* (+35) 10/* Computational class */ add the PDA category to the list; we've been using it for years < 1532036026 470999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Push-down_automata < 1532036034 478560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-93 is probably the best known > 1532036096 246382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Funge-9814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56867&oldid=53358 5* 03Ais523 5* (-33) 10not a PDA; the existence of the stack stack (together with a swap instruction) gives it more storage than that < 1532036187 29390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532036199 481146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532036234 70472 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you aware of any restrictions on lambda calculus that could work? < 1532036299 616165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit complex, but "all arguments to a recursive or indirectly recursive call must be constants" works < 1532036310 813104 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess just adding a loop primative < 1532036314 926214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or https://esolangs.org/wiki/Splinter is pretty similar < 1532036322 837573 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a strongly normalizing lambda calculus would work < 1532036354 295254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed lambda calculus + tail-recursion (the closest lambda calculus equivalent to a while loop) is probably TC, I'm not 100% sure on that though < 1532036873 547238 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean something like this https://github.com/edwinb/TypeDD-Samples/blob/master/Chapter11/RunIO.idr < 1532037033 952366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm not certain that any given type in typed lambda calculus has infinitely many functions of that type… < 1532037079 873721 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1532037144 521425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if there are only finitely many functions of each type < 1532037159 396678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then typed lambda calculus + tail-recursion would be a finite state machine, as there's a limited amount of state in the system < 1532037293 977209 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, i'm not sure this is an interesting question, unless decidable halting languages are in a different class than always halting < 1532037352 625707 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532037430 312893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can normally define "provably not halting" as a form of halting all of its own < 1532037450 422026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you can prove it doesn't halt, now you know the eventual fate of the program < 1532037454 660274 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! < 1532037462 969110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that point of view, decidably-halting and always-halting aren't very different < 1532037472 750568 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed > 1532037945 512615 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56868&oldid=56787 5* 03Fogity 5* (-1300) 10Now refers to the official documentation instead of trying to summarise the language details. < 1532038410 92900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/261934/is-simply-typed-lambda-calculus-with-fixed-point-combinator-turing-complete (first answer) is a fun one. < 1532038445 782758 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532038642 960773 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that paper is not publically available < 1532038646 301746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: oh yes, it's obviously TC if you add integers + basic operations on them (like increment, decrement, zero-test) < 1532038675 224335 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it, why aren't church numerals equivalent to primitive integers? < 1532038691 841480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: the types get increasingly complex as the numbers get larger < 1532038707 116416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they work fine in untyped lambda calculus, but in typed lambda calculus, any given type has a maximum Church number it can handle < 1532038715 663791 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1532038731 816029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, unless you constrain the church numerals to acting on functions of a particular simplified type, but then you can't combine them with each other < 1532038887 162223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if this invalidates the TCness proof for (=); Haskell < 1532038897 29383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if those characters are enough for TCness some other way < 1532038986 38635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (===)==(====)=(===) in 0==3 < 1532038988 78749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1532039056 673015 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stlc with fix is not turing complete, but seemingly system f with fix is < 1532039142 408930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, System F has proper Church numerals. (of type forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> a) < 1532039195 867433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was just coming to that conclusion myself, Haskell isn't actually simply typed so it may work by using polymorphism < 1532039235 867054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two : (x -> x) -> (x -> x) = \ a b -> a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039236 770806 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's not System F, just Hindley-Milner... so (as far as I'm concerned) it needs some thought. < 1532039237 721566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:20: error: parse error on input ‘->’ < 1532039248 113703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two : (x -> x) -> (x -> x) = \ a b => a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039249 884307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:20: error: parse error on input ‘->’ < 1532039260 238893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two : ((x -> x) -> (x -> x)) = \ a b -> a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039262 122031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1532039262 122080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pattern syntax in expression context: x -> x < 1532039264 889869 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's :: < 1532039268 841269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two :: ((x -> x) -> (x -> x)) = \ a b -> a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039270 577018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1532039270 672868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • You cannot bind scoped type variable ‘x’ < 1532039270 689326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : in a pattern binding signature < 1532039280 628963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know Haskell syntax < 1532039288 948456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I thought :: was lists < 1532039293 500907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a = 4::[] in a < 1532039296 882510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 4::[] in a < 1532039298 798556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1532039298 814953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Expecting one more argument to ‘[]’ < 1532039298 815025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected a type, but ‘[]’ has kind ‘* -> *’ < 1532039305 107254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1532039315 906462 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join(.) < 1532039316 381369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two :: (forall x. (x -> x) -> (x -> x)) = \ a b -> a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039317 220160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a -> a < 1532039318 150938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1532039318 241657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Couldn't match expected type ‘forall x1. (x1 -> x1) -> x1 -> x1’ < 1532039318 241716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘(t0 -> t0) -> t0 -> t0’ < 1532039331 96682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join(.)(join(.))succ 0 < 1532039333 279506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1532039365 191293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two a b :: ((x -> x) -> (x -> x)) = a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039366 943632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: error: Parse error in pattern: two < 1532039381 560158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (two :: ((x -> x) -> (x -> x))) a b = a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039383 336578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: error: < 1532039383 431783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse error in pattern: (two :: ((x -> x) -> (x -> x))) < 1532039402 747148 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1532039409 71340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two a b = a (a b) in two (+1) 0 < 1532039411 43572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1532039418 41378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works just fine without the type annotation :-P < 1532039441 491934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; two = \f x. f (f x) in two two succ 0 < 1532039443 494604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:42: error: parse error on input ‘.’ < 1532039449 227289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; two = \f x -> f (f x) in two two succ 0 < 1532039451 298282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1532039456 737320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; two = \f x -> f (f x) in two two two succ 0 < 1532039458 809529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 < 1532039484 51552 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the annotation < 1532039495 886956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two = (\f x -> f (f x)) :: (x -> x) -> x -> x in two two two succ 0 < 1532039498 28838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 < 1532039503 490783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: I know. < 1532039521 938503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether there was a reason for disabling the pattern type signatures though... I forgot. < 1532039546 973545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; two = \f x -> f (f x) in let three :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; three = \f x -> f (f (f x)) in let eight :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; eight = two three in eight (+1) 0 < 1532039548 726137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1532039555 254445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, got the arguments backwards < 1532039557 256613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1532039561 200052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let two :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; two = \f x -> f (f x) in let three :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; three = \f x -> f (f (f x)) in let eight :: (x -> x) -> x -> x; eight = three two in eight (+1) 0 < 1532039563 56808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1532039578 615080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was checking for, if we could do arithmetic and yet still have the same types < 1532039581 134684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 == 9 for large values of 8 < 1532039581 702234 :spieglau!~spieglau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532039595 306947 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can but only on constants, I think < 1532039610 822521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f two = two two in f (\f x -> f (f x)) succ 0 < 1532039612 932091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1532039613 28373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t ~ t -> t1 < 1532039613 44783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • In the first argument of ‘two’, namely ‘two’ < 1532039614 405852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have gone with 16, 2⁴ = 4² so it wouldn't matter if I had it backwards < 1532039651 371355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532039664 672547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532039669 119823 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (x -> x) -> x -> x) -> (x -> x) -> x -> x; f two = two two in f (\f x -> f (f x)) succ 0 < 1532039671 215545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1532039694 962761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, seems like you need the explicit type annotation < 1532039705 682492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the subset of Haskell that uses only ( = ) ; probably isn't TC after all < 1532039737 475276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably TC if you add : < 1532039738 573236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it works with this higher order type, but that can't be written in the (=); fragment, and it's not Haskell 2010 < 1532039782 757220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I learned while doing literature review for my PhD thesis is that it's been proven that type inference for system F is impossible in general < 1532039792 230855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why languages in practice need the annotations < 1532039822 37853 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can system f do that hindley milner can't? < 1532039846 408995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: it has polymorphic arguments < 1532039865 965218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: use the same argument twice (or more) with a different type for each use < 1532039877 16873 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like rank-n types < 1532039883 246313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hindley-milner lets you use the same argument multiple times in a lambda but it has to have the same type with each use < 1532039914 288989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. x -> x) -> ((), Bool); f g = (g (), g True) in f id < 1532039916 497934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((),True) < 1532039931 547397 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f g = (g (), g True) in f id < 1532039933 570593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1532039933 570645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Couldn't match expected type ‘()’ with actual type ‘Bool’ < 1532039933 570657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • In the first argument of ‘g’, namely ‘True’ < 1532039942 304683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this basic idea (with respect to lambda calculi in general, not hindley-milner in particular) is key to the main result of my thesis, which invalidated several years' worth of work in a number of different research projects (including my own) < 1532039948 786230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by showing that what they were aiming for was impossible :_D < 1532039951 719029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :-D < 1532039963 352847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's one of the simplest examples of the difference) < 1532040403 577147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1532040664 298391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1532041675 630466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have received the new issue of 2600 today. < 1532042158 829863 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote: < 1532042168 816930 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. going to bed and gettting some healthy sleep < 1532042179 748420 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. ordering a pizza and staying up late < 1532042200 960950 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm on a no carb diet so the pizza is like super taboo < 1532044782 939399 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1532044856 660785 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1532044878 606088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532045086 643079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532045220 267438 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1532045220 379151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1532045222 237117 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :*.net *.split < 1532045222 429158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1532045223 17863 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah QUIT :*.net *.split < 1532045223 228632 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1532045431 998819 :ProofTechnique[m!prooftechn@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-caikcfdniolltkjm QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532045440 661671 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:Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:6572:4201:3ee:fe97 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532056482 677915 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:6572:4201:3ee:fe97 JOIN :#esoteric > 1532057436 219010 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56871&oldid=56839 5* 03A 5* (-430) 10 > 1532057611 732846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56872&oldid=56871 5* 03A 5* (+107) 10 < 1532057797 662397 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:6572:4201:3ee:fe97 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1532057799 702191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56873&oldid=56872 5* 03A 5* (+232) 10 < 1532057972 673421 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:8950:f7a0:ff4f:b656 JOIN :#esoteric > 1532058212 520367 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56874&oldid=56873 5* 03A 5* (-60) 10 < 1532060554 686243 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532060674 876923 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532060722 261852 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532060739 669020 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532062867 41853 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532063253 540974 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1532064982 400470 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532065235 393375 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532066865 10822 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:8950:f7a0:ff4f:b656 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532066927 671452 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:8950:f7a0:ff4f:b656 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532067029 774448 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532068173 259615 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532068452 181274 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532070787 401939 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532071804 660215 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532071946 777492 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:8950:f7a0:ff4f:b656 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532072102 726837 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1532072700 819998 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56875&oldid=56861 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+270) 10/* Big width loops */ < 1532072781 31413 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:8950:f7a0:ff4f:b656 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532073375 42564 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532073661 677786 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Client Quit < 1532074133 919255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of the BackFlip arrows: instead of pointing where you came from, it now points to the direction you were initially moving in when you hit it. Also add a symbol that always rebounds (but there are no flipping or fixed mirrors). This is the variant I implemented in ZZT. (The variant arrows are stat waters, and the symbol that always rebounds is a ricochet.) < 1532074223 540459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know that? < 1532075111 4619 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532075264 138083 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532078405 559194 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532078679 593445 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532079771 433437 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dnwlzkatgcspgovl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532079790 723920 :ProofTechnique[m!prooftechn@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-atipgqaufjtxhzyy QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532080195 137120 :ProofTechnique[m!prooftechn@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-eddfbkcgxrootixq JOIN :#esoteric < 1532080593 553575 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :1532039782 [01:36:22] something I learned while doing literature review for my PhD thesis is that it's been proven that type inference for system F is impossible in general < 1532080608 708378 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is constraint solving in presence of QuantifiedConstraints possible? < 1532080707 514066 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have serious doubts about that < 1532080719 474900 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks waaay too close to intuitionistic FOL < 1532081224 67203 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mlhuljfrymmmxewi JOIN :#esoteric < 1532082064 21030 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532082117 254827 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532083004 239586 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532084264 617993 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532085579 915137 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532085606 653194 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532087449 696373 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532089195 62859 :user24!~void@p2003008869008600C806B884C15D4071.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532089197 186783 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532089230 916561 :user24!~void@p2003008869008600C806B884C15D4071.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532089455 364237 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532089530 743183 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532089576 323860 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-idjghviccmlywbjd JOIN :#esoteric < 1532093427 691197 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532093493 690270 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532093643 491718 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532094343 568939 :Guest55067!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bchkvpjlrzapffgz NICK :lynn < 1532094351 253163 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bchkvpjlrzapffgz QUIT :Changing host < 1532094351 269609 :lynn!sid154965@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1532094351 269676 :lynn!sid154965@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Changing host < 1532094351 286237 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bchkvpjlrzapffgz JOIN :#esoteric < 1532095076 463949 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international tarpit for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1532095145 860426 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why lemons? <-- they're limes actually hth < 1532095408 445600 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month will be short-lived. < 1532095410 644897 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month will be short-lived. < 1532095441 675891 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532095580 796524 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532095591 662714 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532097136 229066 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1532097146 313563 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password < 1532097148 16194 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11584:2018-07-20 learn The password of the month will be short-lived. \ 11570:2018-06-03 learn The password of the month is illegal in six US states and Saudi Arabia \ 11544:2018-05-05 learn The password of the month is . \ 11509:2018-04-14 slwd password//s,.$,, \ 11508:2018-04-14 learn The password of the month is way too late to fool anyone. \ 11444:2018-03-07 learn The password of < 1532097152 605864 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses > 1532097474 244223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56876 5* 03A 5* (+365) 10Created page with "'''Logic''' by [[User:A]] is an extremely simple esolang based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOR_logic NOR logic]. ==Syntax== The only available commands are: ! That is N..." > 1532097494 923088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56877&oldid=56876 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10 > 1532097520 17580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56878&oldid=56877 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10 > 1532097575 635394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56879&oldid=56878 5* 03A 5* (+28) 10 < 1532098395 45671 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that backflip variant wouldn't be reversible < 1532100269 583708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://irclog.perlgeek.de/ :/ < 1532100501 930445 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next predicted shutdown: wayback hth < 1532100845 751863 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532100955 31918 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532101234 5983 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532101268 386375 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532101535 628624 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532101563 680520 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532101619 797841 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1532102411 12275 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532102425 323912 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532102730 819475 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532103874 882819 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1532104289 428511 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1532104454 819174 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532104771 784980 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532106085 586382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I thought it might be not reversible, but the specific pattern I tried eventually returns to its initial state. < 1532106116 187592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyways I wasn't concerned if it is reversible or not, when doing it; it is just something I did with ZZT) < 1532106206 690102 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532106840 370335 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532106864 531244 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532106868 219764 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1532110353 318978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532110536 340347 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532111286 934961 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532111321 518161 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532111492 717882 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532111884 306981 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532112755 352838 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd JOIN :#esoteric < 1532114276 500874 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532114439 336104 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532114943 338108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess this was the last olist < 1532114969 633584 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532114980 486339 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, there's still one and a half book's worth left < 1532115040 615360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the adventures of durkon as he destroys the world < 1532115083 79883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that lich is still around. What happened with that? < 1532115093 928058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were those folks still looking through the doors? < 1532115325 777704 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they're getting some experience points and treasure < 1532115407 478644 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some people on the forum think that because of http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html , the Gate is actually in Kragor's statue, not anywhere in the holes < 1532115448 742584 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Kragor died at the rift, and why else would they make a statue for a man whose story they want everyone to forget < 1532115536 819407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a stretch < 1532115590 495224 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1039.html shows where Kragor's statue is located in relation to Serini's dungeon, in case you forgot < 1532117830 236757 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1532119498 892842 :yurichev!~yurichev@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1532120983 108201 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1532121303 693993 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/HkBv3Gk < 1532121412 7899 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mlhuljfrymmmxewi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532121432 691675 :ProofTechnique[m!prooftechn@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-eddfbkcgxrootixq QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532123882 143251 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532124370 276930 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-swlhqqxehxcpfcad JOIN :#esoteric < 1532124995 733528 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1532125233 290735 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532125405 328511 :ProofTechnique[m!prooftechn@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-kycvndhhpgoxflef JOIN :#esoteric < 1532125463 522241 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Ping timeout: 610 seconds < 1532125511 525311 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532125522 405187 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1532126862 394747 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532127027 536402 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532127853 234415 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532129490 732117 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1532130172 426497 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1532130285 826809 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1532130287 789992 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1532130350 383912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532131547 333350 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532131862 491711 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532133050 94647 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: i guess this was the last olist <-- that would be a bit narratively inelegant. < 1532133072 858495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the happy ending prophecy come true already with that one comic? < 1532133106 900849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess belkar still needs to draw his last breath < 1532133114 348774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which given how things are going will probably be p. soon < 1532133135 115190 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not. if only because otherwise, the oracle wouldn't have added "at least for you". < 1532133157 535938 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, several others got happy endings in the illusion. < 1532133184 483255 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i totally also thought of that kragor's statue thing. < 1532133186 108038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, only a few people. < 1532133200 322756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's implied that some other members of the olist of the stick don't get happy endings. < 1532133224 900842 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even belkar got one then. < 1532134110 380187 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532134389 368299 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532135750 683155 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532135984 702479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532137420 98295 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addicted to Raymond Chen's The Old New Thing blog < 1532137480 951177 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/ > 1532138612 448449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56880&oldid=56879 5* 03A 5* (+36) 10 > 1532139053 498488 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FerNORo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56881 5* 03A 5* (+5147) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''ferNANDo''' is an esoteric programming language by [[User:A]]. It's based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOR_logic NOR-logic] and uses no other syntax-elem..." < 1532140712 784386 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532140736 580292 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532141318 748014 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532141367 673402 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532141376 24424 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532141698 15404 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1532143196 506872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FerNORo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56882&oldid=56881 5* 03A 5* (-370) 10/* Other logic gates */ > 1532143209 199923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FerNORo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56883&oldid=56882 5* 03A 5* (-916) 10/* Arithmetic circuits */ > 1532143312 772215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56884&oldid=56880 5* 03A 5* (-28) 10 > 1532143499 324230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56885&oldid=56884 5* 03A 5* (+71) 10/* Example(XOR) */ > 1532143643 499930 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56886&oldid=56885 5* 03A 5* (+51) 10 < 1532143882 536534 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 > 1532144043 79322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56887&oldid=56870 5* 03A 5* (+93) 10^_-^ That is okay!!! > 1532144454 647373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56888&oldid=56886 5* 03A 5* (+173) 10 > 1532144717 817370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56889&oldid=56888 5* 03A 5* (+139) 10/* NOT */ > 1532145152 693248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56890&oldid=56889 5* 03A 5* (-34) 10 > 1532145253 879034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56891&oldid=56890 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Syntax */ > 1532145265 492330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56892&oldid=56891 5* 03A 5* (-39) 10/* See Also */ > 1532145432 785530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56893&oldid=56892 5* 03A 5* (+79) 10/* See Also */ > 1532145887 185581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56894&oldid=56588 5* 03A 5* (+317) 10/* Simplification */ > 1532146129 232469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56895&oldid=56894 5* 03A 5* (+19) 10Mispelled word. < 1532146312 190319 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1532146845 622298 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56896&oldid=56848 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2831) 10Another try < 1532146899 781476 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1532146917 587614 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532147277 751424 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532147282 278462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56897&oldid=56893 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10/* NOT */ > 1532147478 688923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56898&oldid=56897 5* 03A 5* (-53) 10 > 1532147505 220445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56899&oldid=56898 5* 03A 5* (+27) 10 < 1532147849 702946 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532147932 870628 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [] > 1532147992 795266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56900&oldid=56899 5* 03A 5* (+6) 10/* Syntax */ > 1532148009 48174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56901&oldid=56900 5* 03A 5* (+20) 10/* Syntax */ < 1532148028 358430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever heard of any mahjong variant where kan switches the direction of play? > 1532148193 350399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56902&oldid=56901 5* 03A 5* (+241) 10/* XOR */ > 1532148209 955934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56903&oldid=56902 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10/* XOR */ < 1532148287 501354 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1532148360 588541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56904&oldid=56903 5* 03A 5* (+132) 10 > 1532148414 14967 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56905&oldid=56904 5* 03A 5* (+32) 10/* XOR */ > 1532148536 830725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56906&oldid=56905 5* 03A 5* (+165) 10/* XOR */ < 1532148567 435456 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1532148587 634481 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1532148924 557004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56907&oldid=56906 5* 03A 5* (-10) 10/* See Also */ < 1532149191 50886 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1532149422 440342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56908&oldid=56907 5* 03A 5* (-15) 10 > 1532149463 728008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56909&oldid=56908 5* 03A 5* (-3) 10/* See Also */ < 1532149997 211801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532150093 868933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532150524 424032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56910 5* 03A 5* (+390) 10Created page with "It is [[Log]], but with this extension: (.) That is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_logic NAND]. Change the operation into the answer after the NAND operation. ==NOT==..." > 1532151728 588503 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56911&oldid=56909 5* 03A 5* (+20) 10/* NOT */ > 1532151940 263641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56912&oldid=56911 5* 03A 5* (+29) 10 > 1532152012 106358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56913&oldid=56912 5* 03A 5* (+22) 10 > 1532152211 135033 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56914&oldid=56910 5* 03A 5* (+249) 10 > 1532152227 502226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56915&oldid=56914 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1532152355 491891 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56916&oldid=56913 5* 03A 5* (-58) 10 > 1532153415 364177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56917&oldid=56916 5* 03A 5* (+158) 10 < 1532153832 529862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait until Asdf hears about all these edits < 1532154275 756940 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532155580 505860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Any reason stalker mode doesn't have anchors? < 1532155609 297930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I assume the reason is that they make a broken link eventually. < 1532155665 647644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they could still be useful before then. < 1532156529 458144 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532156579 1523 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532156592 785623 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532156752 665100 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-idjghviccmlywbjd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532156842 29652 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd JOIN :#esoteric < 1532157010 287282 :Aearnus!~aearnus@75.167.152.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532157037 630152 :Aearnus!~aearnus@75.167.152.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sending this from within a computer on minecraft < 1532157146 931917 :Aearnus!~aearnus@75.167.152.225 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532159137 772649 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532161774 828235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56918&oldid=56917 5* 03A 5* (-552) 10 < 1532162676 315736 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532163227 473511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56919&oldid=56895 5* 03A 5* (-46) 10/* Readability */ < 1532166225 88865 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532166257 869268 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532166372 3148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532166468 352077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf I guess, it's just that the stalker mode already has links to the corresponding non-stalker lines (so that when you paste a link to somebody it's automatically a permalink) so even if it had anchors, you'd have to use them "manually". < 1532166468 621740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1532166537 950310 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532166553 943652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't notice those were links. < 1532166561 634072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1532166561 770642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 1m 33s ago: I guess, it's just that the stalker mode already has links to the corresponding non-stalker lines (so that when you paste a link to somebody it's automatically a permalink) < 1532166561 787229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even if it had anchors, you'd have to use them "manually". < 1532166592 90573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's kind of late in where I'd guess you are, that's why the @tell.) < 1532166600 306041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm coming to MTV again next month. < 1532166618 163256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use anchors "manually". < 1532166631 684318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it should've occurred to me that there'd be a matching link. < 1532166677 307106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wish you could make an anchor to something without an explicit id attribute in the HTML because people often don't put them in. < 1532166714 644081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mtv < 1532166715 710491 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtv? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1532166752 242751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTV is short for "mainostelevisio", lit. "advertisement TV", a Finnish commercial ad-funded TV channel. < 1532166763 468533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's not where I'm going. < 1532168339 664957 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532168353 630525 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532168547 709510 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532168629 635405 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532169449 602538 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532169722 2508 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532170926 321677 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crwszgxniyqrcqbm JOIN :#esoteric < 1532171416 25057 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532171507 684304 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532171700 678853 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532171716 183393 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com QUIT :Changing host < 1532171716 183456 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1532171945 20032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1532172235 578302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56920&oldid=56918 5* 03A 5* (-14) 10 < 1532172346 255033 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1532172496 238563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56921&oldid=56920 5* 03A 5* (-7) 10 > 1532172533 887921 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56922&oldid=56921 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10 > 1532172720 957117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56923&oldid=56922 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1532172828 660401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56924&oldid=56923 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10 > 1532172838 147753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56925&oldid=56924 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10 > 1532172872 966369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56926&oldid=56925 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10 > 1532172885 165596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56927&oldid=56926 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10 > 1532172901 464522 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56928&oldid=56927 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10 > 1532173276 732788 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56929&oldid=56928 5* 03A 5* (-65) 10 > 1532177065 481196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56930&oldid=56929 5* 03A 5* (-48) 10 > 1532177171 448319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56931&oldid=56915 5* 03A 5* (-38) 10/* XNOR */ > 1532177219 134983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56932&oldid=56930 5* 03A 5* (+33) 10 > 1532177258 690534 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56933&oldid=56931 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10 > 1532177361 574673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56934&oldid=56933 5* 03A 5* (-10) 10/* See also */ > 1532177373 421020 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56935&oldid=56932 5* 03A 5* (-10) 10/* See also */ < 1532177461 5662 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532177625 8461 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1532177625 474617 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com QUIT :Changing host < 1532177625 491186 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532177660 329150 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532177750 894662 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532178991 726298 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532179574 9373 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532179893 894163 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532180381 670020 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532180903 297318 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crwszgxniyqrcqbm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532181957 669487 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532182518 495901 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532182711 991084 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532182781 319026 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i'm sending this from within a computer on minecraft < 1532182782 914636 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1325) i'm sending this from within a computer on minecraft < 1532182806 961037 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this counts as an actually on-topic quote < 1532182945 401224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found those "Log" messages quite irritiating until I realized that it was a page name. < 1532184013 228339 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1532184160 812988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, sometimes I wanted also an anchor to something without an explicit ID in a HTML document. One thing to do is to add # and stuff onto the URL anyways, even though it doesn't work. Another thing is to tell whoever wrote them to fix it. < 1532185040 513605 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :somewhatmoony < 1532185624 303269 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532186788 296373 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edjmmfywckcsszwj JOIN :#esoteric < 1532187637 304296 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532190298 385230 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:8950:f7a0:ff4f:b656 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532191817 313607 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1532194694 668121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56936&oldid=56896 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2931) 10Expand 22 register explanation < 1532194714 845861 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more whee < 1532194718 336584 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1532195301 962801 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532196064 751252 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532196591 203581 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532196983 316531 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532197059 24463 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The Giant's words make it clear that Elan's prophecy by the Oracle is about the ending of the story, so it can't come true before: www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?479555&p=23237502&viewfull=1#post23237502 < 1532197097 355168 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Elan has some fourth-wall-breaking, so he knows when the story's *ending* is. < 1532197307 679187 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Oracle definitely has fourth-wall knowledge too, so he can answer Elan < 1532197366 646677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mentioned before a variant of BackFlip with ZZT. I am not so sure it is not reversible. Can't you reverse all of the arrows in the program as well as the direction of the program execution? < 1532197416 11515 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd JOIN :#esoteric > 1532198698 855016 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56937&oldid=56919 5* 03Ais523 5* (+228) 10/* Readability */ too subjective > 1532199112 71979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 032n8asm 5* 10New user account < 1532199826 104277 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532199852 13613 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532199925 996927 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532200045 818003 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532201446 108111 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532201527 407862 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532201781 902550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56938&oldid=56785 5* 032n8asm 5* (+233) 10/* Introductions */ > 1532201832 305502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 032n8asm 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:.png10]]" < 1532202133 815448 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1532202143 333923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, useless, uncompressed png? < 1532202200 791915 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not useless. you can use it as a temporary exchange format for lossless images with 16-bit per channel deep rgba that many programs will understand < 1532202234 300831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I mean https://esolangs.org/wiki/File:%E8%89%B9.png < 1532202277 20730 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a program for an esolang that only reads uncompressed pngs? < 1532202362 182448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously doubt it. it's not even black and white, it has some grey from antialiasing < 1532202372 263790 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1532202395 383282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just a rendition of the glyph in the file name, 艹. < 1532202413 904455 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a descriptive page name for the image < 1532203068 435585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a temporary exchange format I prefer farbfeld (and only in pipes, not in files) > 1532203159 395990 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CFUCK14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56940 5* 032n8asm 5* (+211) 10CFUCK is a general-purpose programming language. > 1532203466 744468 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CFUCK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56941&oldid=56940 5* 032n8asm 5* (+193) 10 > 1532203560 728679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CFUCK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56942&oldid=56941 5* 032n8asm 5* (+7) 10 < 1532203594 506715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is not a program for an esolang that only reads uncompressed pngs; you can see what [[CFUCK]] article mentioned, it is difference from that. > 1532203683 626239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CFUCK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56943&oldid=56942 5* 032n8asm 5* (-3) 10 > 1532204015 129862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:.png10]]": (compress png) < 1532205548 294655 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1532207826 516651 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532207960 641416 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532207961 696543 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1532208926 296929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-76-96.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1532208926 758411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-76-96.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1532208926 758455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1532209019 751420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1532209141 605687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang idea: Language based on bad pop interpretation of quantum physics, e.g. entanglement allows communication and what not < 1532209702 192422 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there are already multiple esolangs based on that I think, and even one supposedly non-eso language < 1532209722 847325 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually on the interpretation that quantum entanglement lets you try all possibilities at the same time < 1532209755 379149 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just search for "quantum", you'll probably find mostly such languages < 1532210137 362587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, okay < 1532212234 999055 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532213171 925604 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532214112 266193 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532214399 252434 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532214619 531225 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532217322 638630 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532217617 641843 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532217942 156964 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532217969 788796 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532218128 9893 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532218274 760652 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532218558 873934 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532218702 51923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532220520 395500 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532220785 395342 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532221116 566594 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532221218 512370 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532221879 520438 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh hm i realized i probably misunderstood your variant, so it's reversible anyhow. < 1532222090 455951 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 艹 < 1532222091 235909 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+8279 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8279] > 1532224792 931716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56945&oldid=56936 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+303) 10Some clarifications and adjustments < 1532225204 671403 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532225487 674987 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1532225864 698977 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07rjan Johansen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56946&oldid=35684 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+43) 10Add Home Row < 1532226876 466217 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532227137 326102 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532230105 402200 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532230355 384536 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532231755 948730 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532232427 254980 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532232436 159089 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532232454 571674 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532232723 487500 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1532232756 601548 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jelly Doughnut 5* 10New user account < 1532233211 337487 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532233279 504401 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532233299 758929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56947&oldid=56938 5* 03Jelly Doughnut 5* (+106) 10 < 1532233529 473637 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1532235374 958454 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CFUCK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56948&oldid=56943 5* 032n8asm 5* (+51) 10 > 1532235523 433657 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56949&oldid=56935 5* 03A 5* (+293) 10 < 1532236471 53557 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532236738 7922 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532237774 397655 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532238095 390137 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1532238390 706477 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56950&oldid=56949 5* 03A 5* (-22) 10/* NOT */ > 1532238985 45729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56951&oldid=56950 5* 03A 5* (-82) 10 < 1532240752 471897 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532241302 18195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532241490 22003 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1532241937 255291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ZZT-Flip14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56952 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1166) 10Created page with "[[Category:Languages]] [[Category:2018]] [[Category:Two-dimensional languages]] [[Category:Reversible computing]] [[Category:Self-modifying]] [[Category:Implemented]] ZZT-F..." < 1532241952 907464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, there now I wrote it on esolang wiki. < 1532242023 22186 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532242105 102811 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56953&oldid=19004 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-3) 10Internal link correction < 1532242858 241845 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532242915 383090 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532243649 448402 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532244852 178520 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edjmmfywckcsszwj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532245036 697138 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532245479 753713 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532245606 707338 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532245658 697470 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532245686 9091 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532245713 546324 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532246231 256370 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532246427 694430 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532249447 489029 :wob_jonas!b03f1936@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.54 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1532252482 281921 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1532256879 224994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56954&oldid=56670 5* 03A 5* (+187) 10/* LOLCODE */ > 1532257197 343254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56955&oldid=56954 5* 03A 5* (+147) 10/* Log */ > 1532257348 823964 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56956&oldid=56955 5* 03A 5* (+96) 10/* Log */ < 1532257730 668556 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdhgcxomwoswjovr JOIN :#esoteric < 1532258604 222286 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1532259186 225498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56957&oldid=56937 5* 03A 5* (+133) 10/* Readability */ > 1532259415 624632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56958&oldid=56957 5* 03A 5* (+48) 10/* Looks like */ > 1532260194 215662 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Smurf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56959&oldid=56874 5* 03A 5* (-29) 10 < 1532263578 284859 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532264384 851059 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532264412 255774 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532264594 762200 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532264624 686577 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532264691 687213 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1532264725 697996 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532266010 728774 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532266309 638377 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532268051 679845 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532268207 691837 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532271276 125968 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532271557 997183 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532273090 492913 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1532274219 667166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56960&oldid=56958 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+309) 10/* Looks like */ Nah < 1532274947 667426 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532274975 113715 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532275362 738077 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532275497 696787 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1532276002 123658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56961&oldid=56956 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+3) 10The sortings will continue until alphabetization improves > 1532276077 405679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56962&oldid=56961 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10Until it improves, I said! < 1532277087 125820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that oerjan doesn't like inversions < 1532277427 32552 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what inversions < 1532277629 689866 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532277927 720571 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532278449 689737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the ones in non-identity permutations. < 1532279033 919609 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532279053 365457 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532279855 568177 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1532280680 937544 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1532280849 391450 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532281175 382330 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532281368 366451 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532281378 26998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532281967 536083 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd JOIN :#esoteric < 1532282614 291239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Sudoku isn't just similar to a graph coloring problem, it *is* a graph coloring problem (with some pre-colored vertices) < 1532283195 261631 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that makes.. a lot of sense < 1532283392 192114 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1532283410 74929 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cliquey < 1532283507 556147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that look like correct to me < 1532284232 198422 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532285149 879942 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532285251 325756 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532285319 403153 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532286309 706378 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532286738 565758 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532287213 745272 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532287316 783259 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532287331 463877 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532288237 939066 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532289338 311749 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532289584 234983 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532294823 860285 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532295967 524213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new GameBoy game has been made recently called "Into The Blue". The panels come from the bottom and if it reaches the top then you lose. If three or more same panels in a line then they are removed and everything is fall down. The cursor switches places with adjacent panels; you cannot move the cursor into empty spaces, and the cursor falls same like panels do. < 1532295970 185354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532297087 193667 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1532299799 8476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Stefvanschie 5* 10New user account > 1532300197 529414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56963&oldid=56947 5* 03Stefvanschie 5* (+278) 10/* Introductions */ > 1532300204 277240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A0A014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56964&oldid=35594 5* 03Stefvanschie 5* (+144) 10Make V command clearer < 1532300403 97641 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1532300419 231640 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532303397 108533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532304412 269714 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1532304892 9633 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532305173 990448 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532306237 502981 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532311303 750441 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532311601 660802 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532314486 212382 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532314779 222004 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532316911 220261 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532318472 675236 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532318673 216574 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532319469 358942 :Suika!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532319635 794629 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532319757 212695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532320254 14279 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532320519 831282 :Suika!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532320545 862664 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532322463 747237 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532322755 661855 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532323805 639374 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532323984 210065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532324891 433949 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532326726 35136 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532326757 220830 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532327283 925376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nandarin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56965&oldid=37186 5* 03Ais523 5* (+430) 10computational class: FSM-complete > 1532328166 222063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eniuq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56966&oldid=33086 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1091) 10it's TC < 1532328406 559237 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532328833 685511 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532329077 674310 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532329092 176570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 473 < 1532329093 172507 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 473: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale < 1532330367 607935 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532330483 40163 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1532330759 594509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GDavid 5* 10New user account < 1532331000 727490 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532331031 717044 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532331628 582584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56967&oldid=56963 5* 03GDavid 5* (+146) 10/* Introductions */ < 1532332080 202124 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532332300 197542 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532332337 200954 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532332458 59099 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1532332867 561072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56968&oldid=56662 5* 03GDavid 5* (+525) 10 < 1532333140 6233 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532333168 722295 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532333323 585260 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532333336 749613 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532333560 994800 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532334260 328183 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532334361 220187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1532334361 437634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1532334361 437685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532334370 293806 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532334682 537775 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532335664 732736 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdhgcxomwoswjovr QUIT : < 1532336166 77624 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532336372 207400 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532336676 883900 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532336680 871258 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532336753 509564 :mendax!~null@unaffiliated/mendax JOIN :#esoteric < 1532337262 798659 :mendax!~null@unaffiliated/mendax QUIT : < 1532338085 584572 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532338257 167767 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532339593 19701 :mendax!~null@185.246.210.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532339593 329774 :mendax!~null@185.246.210.135 QUIT :Changing host < 1532339593 351218 :mendax!~null@unaffiliated/mendax JOIN :#esoteric < 1532339608 245323 :mendax!~null@unaffiliated/mendax PART :#esoteric < 1532339952 150936 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532340130 129164 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532341807 986166 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532342066 18516 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532342621 994195 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532343693 84832 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532343911 312570 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532345601 656150 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532345814 62775 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532347487 146158 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532347710 306174 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532347748 428599 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532348134 437532 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532349357 233473 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532349562 156563 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532350422 764960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532351115 114251 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532351230 454076 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532351269 164520 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532351414 15999 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532352721 667994 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar < 1532353066 42139 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1532353152 518321 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532353307 161207 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1532354487 817356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SequenceScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56969 5* 03A 5* (+649) 10Created page with "==50+60(Save in [00])== 00=32 01=3C 02=[00] 03=[01] 02+[03] 00=[02] x=y Set x(which is a place in the internal storage, x is a hex number) into y(represents a place of..." > 1532354621 452608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56970&oldid=56858 5* 03A 5* (+104) 10 < 1532355037 33954 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532355084 183360 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532355194 12836 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1532355278 786827 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56971 5* 03A 5* (+354) 10A stub...Help me by extending it! < 1532355749 580424 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532355914 245993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56972&oldid=52353 5* 03A 5* (+146) 10 > 1532355947 38363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56973&oldid=56972 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10 > 1532355979 382574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56974&oldid=56973 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10 > 1532355998 266029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56975&oldid=56974 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10 < 1532356016 505667 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532356035 436287 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1532356053 538818 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56976&oldid=56970 5* 03A 5* (+33) 10 < 1532356103 494237 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532356129 657779 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532356203 729180 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1532356303 208100 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532356813 979100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56977&oldid=54515 5* 03A 5* (+850) 10 > 1532356828 205218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56978&oldid=56976 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10 < 1532356869 920052 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532356906 586540 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1532357070 983193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56979&oldid=52355 5* 03A 5* (+298) 10 > 1532357082 973387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56980&oldid=56978 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10 < 1532357120 17116 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532357235 328073 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532357433 685976 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532357621 410263 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532357700 659473 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532357729 701310 :SopaAlt!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532357885 437923 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532357905 26862 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532357908 368508 :SopaAlt!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Client Quit < 1532358772 751019 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532358963 255255 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532358974 27400 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532359008 654159 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359161 497553 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532359162 788825 :zemhill____!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532359168 208924 :zemhill____!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359195 594760 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ihsmshhuycveugen QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532359218 534641 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359229 31198 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532359229 164428 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532359262 870779 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532359277 232466 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359314 771532 :zgrepc!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cmirppfoyoztaryi JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359318 534046 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1532359348 418639 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@node-1w7jr9y5ehkr8nivm05dfn1pt.ipv6.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359387 381837 :zgrepc!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cmirppfoyoztaryi QUIT :Changing host < 1532359387 381915 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359396 279007 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gdqnqstvvvsupggp JOIN :#esoteric < 1532359487 620350 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@node-1w7jr9y5ehkr8nivm05dfn1pt.ipv6.telus.net NICK :Guest49508 < 1532359494 772743 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gdqnqstvvvsupggp NICK :ocharles < 1532359534 747979 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1532359563 570285 :ocharles!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gdqnqstvvvsupggp QUIT :Changing host < 1532359563 570347 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric > 1532360265 393902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56981&oldid=56834 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10 > 1532360870 138945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello++++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56982&oldid=52356 5* 03A 5* (+87) 10 < 1532361185 429775 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532362069 84897 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 JOIN :#esoteric > 1532363184 63829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56983&oldid=56868 5* 03Fogity 5* (+623) 10/* Example programs */ Added a fizzbuzz program. < 1532363856 716224 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532366218 347190 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532367815 503682 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532367839 652588 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532368864 881821 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532370585 889646 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532370708 656949 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532370720 680105 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532370798 8065 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd JOIN :#esoteric < 1532371060 185687 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532371209 24403 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to explain the esolang I'm busy with to my parents < 1532371212 715682 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did not go well < 1532371230 681861 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you explain your esolangs to normal people?? < 1532371368 191078 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532371652 692587 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :max1: you don't. that's not what esolangs are for. < 1532371654 187615 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532372182 400293 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532372269 194017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532374040 528775 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1532374350 875292 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vootwvvxyefabfun JOIN :#esoteric < 1532375646 540510 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1532376262 450648 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :max1: have they ever tried to walk on only tiles of a specific color on a patterned floor? < 1532376270 426888 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually probably stops working at a certain age < 1532376768 51569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1129 < 1532376768 944382 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1129: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1532377355 690291 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: but I want to share the love lol :'''( < 1532377418 285957 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: heyy I like that idea < 1532377985 328733 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532380232 428816 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532380546 631881 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532382621 971880 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532382994 641947 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532383152 627690 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532383234 627247 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532383504 627383 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532383713 425187 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532384082 684138 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532385660 294600 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1532386296 982674 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vootwvvxyefabfun QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532387628 566838 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1532387753 490698 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532387871 936491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1532388193 383527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56984&oldid=56981 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-4) 10Undo revision 56981 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) No. > 1532388299 241425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Foobar!10]]": Brokenly half-edited, abandoned derivative > 1532388365 875500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56985&oldid=56789 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-14) 10rm deleted page < 1532388813 488581 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid humid weather < 1532388819 163121 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1532388819 707066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 232250Z 14005KT 9999 FEW098 15/13 Q1009 RMK WIND 670FT 12006KT > 1532389745 514324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eniuq14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56986&oldid=56966 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10There is no hyphen. > 1532390620 424268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A0A014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56987&oldid=56964 5* 03Stefvanschie 5* (+105) 10Add java interpreter > 1532390785 883232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A0A014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56988&oldid=56987 5* 03Stefvanschie 5* (+7) 10Edit author name < 1532393094 889373 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:2901:b21d:4319:7ddd QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532394503 191433 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532396313 336579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532396380 820050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1532396381 75201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. > 1532396792 153859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Telegram14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56989&oldid=56857 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Hmm...Typo < 1532396843 282101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :− [[Category:Turing[DEL:-:DEL] + [[Category:Turing[INS: :INS]complete]] < 1532396857 376602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading the wiki in a terminal, for no obvious reason < 1532396882 388441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why and aren't rendered using strikethrough and underline, like normal? those formats both exist in terminals < 1532396895 442693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess w3m renders as underline rather than italic < 1532396912 533812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can see an argument for rendering as italic and as underlined in a terminal…) < 1532397080 155646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like this renderer is messing up uses of 🆒 in tables, too (I don't think it realises it's a double-width character) < 1532397112 935849 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm neither does this terminal < 1532397133 420136 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(putty + tmux) < 1532397144 361982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the more reason for me to work on libuncursed, I guess :-( < 1532397168 177686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I should say full-width character < 1532397192 262796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the width of ASCII characters is known as "half-width", technically speaking < 1532397216 149894 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( this character is half empty ) < 1532397425 102343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "most characters are half-width" but then I remembered CJK (which is mostly full-width), which possibly outnumbers the rest of the characters by itself < 1532397485 591476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be interesting to see a worldwide frequency table for Unicode codepoints < 1532397494 990736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm expecting 0x20 to be the most frequently used, but it's just a guess > 1532397924 492545 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SequenceScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56990&oldid=56969 5* 03A 5* (+337) 10 > 1532397965 981601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56991&oldid=56979 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10 > 1532397978 519572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56992&oldid=56991 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10 < 1532398547 365563 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:901e:ef43:ac70:58cb JOIN :#esoteric < 1532400422 237422 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532400454 634245 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532400539 780145 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532400543 811042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Internet Protocol Viewing Language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56993 5* 03A 5* (+18) 10Redirected page to [[IPVL]] < 1532400820 585837 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hopl.info/showlanguage.prx?exp=333&name=Nonpareil so I'm searching for _any_ kind of documentation on this language, and so far I haven't found anything. < 1532400852 518750 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even find the defining paper anywhere. Bryan Higman is the author. > 1532400932 588664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IPVL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56994 5* 03A 5* (+671) 10Created page with "IPVL is a programming language which has only 1 command: copy. ==Copy== The command has this format: copy IP Where IP is any computer IP. ==Example(Infinite loop)== Copy 172..." > 1532401001 361912 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IPVL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56995&oldid=56994 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 < 1532401382 718176 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532401500 268430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56996&oldid=56980 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10 < 1532401655 691726 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1532401743 333134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Feta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56997&oldid=52858 5* 03A 5* (+279) 10 > 1532401760 352713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56998&oldid=56996 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10 < 1532403556 424792 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532403841 318863 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532405335 439138 :Guest49508!~sprocklem@node-1w7jr9y5ehkr8nivm05dfn1pt.ipv6.telus.net QUIT :Quit: Guest49508 < 1532405561 296892 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1532405769 124031 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532407538 589848 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532407574 692974 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532408934 639128 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532409242 628620 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532410540 187653 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532412147 485102 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532412399 473842 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532414833 9025 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532418675 297584 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532418705 395888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1532419473 679981 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yvtosyxatvpbiprd JOIN :#esoteric > 1532419817 10139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Far14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56999&oldid=56862 5* 03GibsonGeorge 5* (+7) 10 < 1532420249 876712 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532420280 653041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1532420280 873973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1532420280 874053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532421160 743594 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532421699 693768 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532421992 623548 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532422657 645023 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532422770 648039 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532424173 423944 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are error messages valid quines? I just realized some of my error messages are. < 1532424778 491786 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:901e:ef43:ac70:58cb QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532424865 280545 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532424948 663098 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532425399 527748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're usually called "error quines", and are kind of a separate category from proper quines. < 1532425472 902670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few of them on fungot. < 1532425473 115197 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i i read it so i i don't know < 1532425476 666475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ...bad insn! < 1532425476 687464 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1532425498 101086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey, that didn't print the ^ul! < 1532425510 189263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine. < 1532425529 489128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not part of the source code, it's just the syntax for executing things. < 1532425577 408650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, it's a quine for fungot's Underload interpreter, not a quine for fungot itself. < 1532425577 487344 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what website was that again)) like < 1532425663 421865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know < 1532425675 467254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what a fungot quine looks like < 1532425675 510609 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so it's definitely laughter < 1532425704 285874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly i don't think it can happen from the babbling < 1532425773 717180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can of course do it through one of the interpreters, but it's pretty boring. < 1532425781 745497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn! < 1532425781 768018 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul )SaS(:^)S):^ ...bad insn! < 1532425791 968810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a fungot error quine, but... < 1532425792 49400 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you want to know and < 1532425833 306161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The error part is entirely superfluous.) < 1532426710 7827 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532427009 874767 :Fogity!~Fogity@hr-sgs.kvi.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okey, then I don't think there are any proper quines in my language (unless one uses the -p flag to print the return value of the whole program). < 1532427188 485130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you predict what fungot will say if you know its RNG state? < 1532427188 638662 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah i see i didn't even know it was fine everything's going great i just i just believe when it's our time and < 1532427211 838944 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yvtosyxatvpbiprd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532427403 906923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you have the model files too, sure. > 1532427462 123507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What a mess!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57000 5* 03A 5* (+1337) 10Created page with "'''What a mess!''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]] which is extremely messy. variables are defined like this: var=value, and the value can..." < 1532428066 673839 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532428327 643274 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532428350 660439 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532428358 630992 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1532428371 657012 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, wob_jonas < 1532428404 167062 :max1!~max@196.42.66.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532428506 959261 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a strange experience working in this company. So different from the previous one. < 1532428550 527010 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you working? < 1532428625 944639 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a company where most of the people are engineers, very few are IT people, and so most use a computer without the basic IT power user skills that I could expect even from the non-programmer people in my previous job. < 1532428650 153794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! < 1532428658 468749 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're good engineers, mind you, but the engineering part is one I don't understand and don't want to learn either, so it's like they're talking in meaningless abbreviations and jargon all the time. < 1532428703 751677 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the few people with whom I can talk about IT are always so busy, which is why there were so eager to start to employ me, a person with IT skills, at such a short notice. < 1532428727 889004 :SopaAlt!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532428741 920712 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My added value is only on the IT side. < 1532428788 474142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you've got a good shot of being the Best There Is at What You Do < 1532428828 523289 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I arrived here because one of my relatives works here in a senior position, so it's important for her to finish some projects, but she's very busy because she's raising a small child, so she asked me a favor, which weighed somewhat into my decision to actually start to work here, at least for some months. < 1532428860 673861 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532428899 584779 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I probably won't stay here for very long, both because they don't do the creative IT tasks that would really satisfy me in the long run, and because I can't easily socialize with other people if they're doing a totally different job from me. < 1532428900 27277 :SopaAlt!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532429076 641163 :SopaAlt!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532429076 729878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57001&oldid=15493 5* 03A 5* (+21) 10 < 1532429266 35541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fair enough > 1532429319 613576 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Telegram14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57002&oldid=56989 5* 03A 5* (+29) 10 < 1532429321 61339 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The environment is otherwise reasonable, so I can stay half a year or even a year, until I get ready. < 1532429327 427262 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm < 1532429331 237672 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, enjoy it! > 1532429338 367192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 2.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57003&oldid=56792 5* 03A 5* (+29) 10 > 1532429365 676273 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57004&oldid=56781 5* 03A 5* (+28) 10 < 1532429456 990307 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1532429474 204337 :max1!~max@196.42.66.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532429550 119114 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've got a lot of technical debt in non-work IT project, so I have to "fix" (often redo) the software and hardware of my home computer, the server cbstream runs on, and the software of cbstream itself, somewhat soon, because cbstream is my flagship hobby project because it looks nice in a CV if I can write "more than 20 users for more than 10 < 1532429550 308711 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : years". < 1532429566 712842 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532429574 908837 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, probably "over 20 users for over 10 years" or something, but I'll figure out the English phrasing later. < 1532429575 47441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is cbstream? < 1532429585 998754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both phrasings work, I think) < 1532429596 486039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm a native speaker, though, so I might be cheating) < 1532429761 735743 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's an IRC bot that connects an IRC channel both way to the live chat of Perlmonks, which is a website that incidentally also has a ton of technical debt and is so insecure you could easily steal almost anyone's account if you cared, but its devs are also too busy to fix any of that. < 1532429777 956818 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an old FAQ at http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/cbstream/ < 1532429782 935127 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the service itself doesn't work right now < 1532429805 133761 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the problem: I don't want to submit the CV when the flagship project I refer to doesn't work, which an interviewer can easily test < 1532429823 798988 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can refer to it in the past tense < 1532430276 825650 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be more impressive to fix it, and it would still have around 20 users eventually (might take a few months for some people to figure out it's live again). < 1532430432 665767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, totally < 1532430449 684634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "I ran" is almost as impressive as "I run" < 1532430511 516096 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532430535 241781 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't get it working) < 1532430554 773149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me a better reason for wanting to get it working again is "fun" < 1532430563 908154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's why I'm in this IRC channel < 1532430826 201671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532431143 261949 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well sure, I can make it get working by rewriting the whole thing in a totally different way, such as while learning some practical rust-lang, which is also fun. < 1532431153 758458 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of a balance. We'll see what happens. < 1532431154 212346 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532431173 765495 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "more than ten years with only a few months of interruption" also sounds nice on a spoken interview. < 1532431657 915940 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only problem is, I'll definitely have heavy second system effect, with the rewrite being overcomplicated < 1532431670 837235 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plus side is, I get free testers < 1532431685 89637 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who complain promptly about any problems < 1532431705 984926 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like when HackEgo went down < 1532431721 842885 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who quickly made a clone gets free testers < 1532432410 594818 :SopaAlt!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532434445 697250 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532434662 204133 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532436397 855667 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1532436723 615012 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532437277 888659 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532437354 521937 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532439958 580876 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532440949 292299 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajisoeacicltegha JOIN :#esoteric < 1532441149 631782 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1532443190 603882 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57005&oldid=56968 5* 03GDavid 5* (+1481) 10 < 1532443840 380426 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client > 1532444879 258681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57006&oldid=56863 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ > 1532444942 980339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57007&oldid=57006 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1532445058 743960 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57008&oldid=57007 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-1) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1532445227 222113 :ProofTechnique[m!prooftechn@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-kycvndhhpgoxflef PART #esoteric :"Kicked by @appservice-irc:matrix.org : removing from IRC because user idle on matrix for 30+ days" < 1532445894 696953 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1532447932 817429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57009&oldid=56971 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+532) 10Further explanation + C example > 1532447961 647472 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Popular problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57010&oldid=53610 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+4) 10 < 1532448150 488106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Is HackEso a good CV filler? < 1532448151 114529 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook good. < 1532448442 517544 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532449213 538943 :plokmijnuhby!4e955f26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.149.95.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532449224 118155 :plokmijnuhby!4e955f26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.149.95.38 QUIT :Client 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:tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532465337 869533 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532466452 684019 :etisdew!~etisdew@2601:1c0:c701:582c:901e:ef43:ac70:58cb QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1532469627 737404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57011&oldid=56983 5* 03Fogity 5* (-3) 10Updated examples and note about laziness for the latest release. < 1532470214 470879 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532471388 193669 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532471684 190878 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532472949 196809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532473863 898055 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 > 1532474014 183735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57012&oldid=57009 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3) 10you missed a fizz < 1532474506 425720 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1532474604 425520 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532474869 233804 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532474881 406204 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532476365 405362 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532476554 702053 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532476655 388887 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1532478313 182476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57013&oldid=57005 5* 03A 5* (+48) 10I think this is also a good idea. < 1532478652 207934 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532478929 194469 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532479096 502008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1532479101 970809 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57014&oldid=56117 5* 03Ais523 5* (+616) 10I just thought up a really elegant way to do I/O with this, in a backwards-compatible way > 1532479241 199493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57015&oldid=55850 5* 03A 5* (+43) 10 > 1532479783 705245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57016&oldid=57014 5* 03Ais523 5* (+688) 10/* Computational class */ more discussion; it's definitely strictly more powerful than a PDA, but that leaves it unclear what class it's in > 1532479808 610868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57017&oldid=57015 5* 03Asdf 5* (+48) 10 > 1532479994 251860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57018&oldid=57017 5* 03Ais523 5* (-48) 10Undo revision 57017 by [[Special:Contributions/Asdf|Asdf]] ([[User talk:Asdf|talk]]): only one submission is allowed per user ([[User:A]] and [[User:Asdf]] are the same person) < 1532480064 373684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is vaguely annoyed about having finally been forced to checkuser that < 1532480080 709108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was obvious, and indeed it was, but actually acting on such evidence pretty much needs proof < 1532480520 878812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ♥ < 1532480521 680036 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2665 BLACK HEART SUIT] < 1532481741 852620 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532482715 392619 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532482785 859271 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532482921 644969 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532483075 872394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532483098 5431 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532483124 707926 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1532483354 691019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57019&oldid=56945 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+3091) 10One-dimensional TC construction < 1532483508 870683 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532484810 753831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to suspect that Conedy's computational class is "somewhere between PDA and LBA", but I'm far from certain < 1532484822 569756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a nagging feeling that there's some ridiculous construction to make it TC < 1532485002 679739 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532485275 628965 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532487536 491502 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532488207 673596 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532488462 627070 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532491376 223538 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532491650 185172 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532491761 674891 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532496014 885160 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532497726 399883 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532498015 393001 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532498041 691070 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532498696 496478 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1532499123 866469 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ijjfzzquuhzsiqgp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532500017 782077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532500142 189052 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532500277 696139 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532500659 204324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck minus -14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57020&oldid=46763 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2219) 10Depth two nested version based on [[Home Row]] > 1532500885 332583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57021&oldid=56664 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+144) 10/* Computational class */ Nesting > 1532503257 311698 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57022&oldid=57013 5* 03GDavid 5* (+81) 10 < 1532503715 662045 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532503811 223317 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1532504074 537149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57023&oldid=57022 5* 03GDavid 5* (+43) 10 < 1532504121 423079 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1532505344 471168 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532505966 359868 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532506252 45390 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532506354 410671 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532507103 858356 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532507271 343946 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532507299 677118 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532507341 126778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57024&oldid=35367 5* 03A 5* (+167) 10/* Do people get to make new suggestions when their old one is featured? */ < 1532507672 640361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1532507779 111611 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainpocalypse14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57025&oldid=55778 5* 03Ais523 5* (-4) 10typo fixes < 1532507993 721862 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532508415 383218 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are people making multiple accounts for the wiki? > 1532508564 722718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 3.014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57026 5* 03A 5* (+976) 10Created page with "This=That 3.0 extends [[This=That 2.0]]. It adds some spacial features, such as recursion and functions. For example: function MyFunction=param,param2 starts a function calle..." < 1532508566 258815 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I think it's just one person > 1532508581 407719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 3.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57027&oldid=57026 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 < 1532508594 528789 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why? > 1532508601 400690 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 2.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57028&oldid=57003 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10 < 1532508658 359442 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is each version of that language a new language? < 1532508790 292992 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532508880 752111 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These abbreviations for display resolutions (see long table and lists at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_display_resolution ) are getting riddiculous. Why can't mobile phone providers and video advertisers just use numbers instead of abbreviations like "HD" and "QQVGA"? < 1532509138 899886 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because whoever's doing this is a little bit obnoxious < 1532509311 591524 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532509348 29357 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532510371 208858 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532510510 19658 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1532510615 445560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EasyScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57029 5* 03A 5* (+1418) 10Created page with "'''EasyScript''' is an esolang by [[User:A]], and is made up entirely of variables. Each line is just a case-sensitive variable name, followed by =, and then the..." > 1532511163 608423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EasyScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57030&oldid=57029 5* 03A 5* (-197) 10 < 1532511191 660838 :felt!~ep100@196.47.243.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532511250 972069 :felt!~ep100@196.47.243.237 QUIT :Client Quit > 1532511334 215495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EasyScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57031&oldid=57030 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10 > 1532511681 293039 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EasyScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57032&oldid=57031 5* 03A 5* (-23) 10 < 1532513118 567925 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532517051 860915 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532517104 637011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532517150 268489 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532517150 286055 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1532517226 686662 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532517570 161311 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting ridiculous. The monitor has settings described as "Game Mode: Optimizes image settings for playing games." and "Samsung Magic Bright: Set to an optimum picture quality suitable for the working environment" and "Samsung Magic Upscale: Enchance picture detail and vividness" and "Response time: Accelerate the panel response rate to mak < 1532517570 291181 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e video appear more vivid and natural". < 1532517606 53745 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's nothing, wait until you hear what settings the Intel video card has. < 1532517667 861065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "game mode", if it's designed correctly, should use the simplest possible control circuitry in order to reduce latency, the other options are likely to be more complex in what they do and thus slow down the monitor's response time slightly < 1532517688 623066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit odd that there's a separate "response time" option, especially as the /description/ of it talks about a rate, not a time > 1532517728 519120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57033&oldid=55419 5* 03GDavid 5* (-13) 10 < 1532517853 568086 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video driver has somewhat detailed video "color enchancement" and "image enchancement" and "image scaling" options, including "Skin tone enchancement" among the "image enchancement" settings that I think defaulted to enabled, < 1532517889 955995 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Select Enable to improve the appearance of skin tones for video images" < 1532517950 779163 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's "Film Mode Detection: Select Enable to improve the picture quality for video that was created from film." < 1532518069 791939 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I forgot the monitor option "Smart ECO Saving: Adjust the power consumption of the product to save energy." < 1532518094 375931 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video driver has power saving options too of course. < 1532518223 341366 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Graphics Power Plans: Select the graphics power plan from the list. Maximum Battery Life saves power by reducing graphics performance. Balanced mode offers full graphics performance when it is needed and minimizes power consumption during inactivity. Maximum performance improves graphics performance but requires more power." < 1532518248 363476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532518280 5478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532518347 568939 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they have easy to understand options that go on a scale too. Such as, both the monitor and video driver has settings to scale the brightness and contrast. The video driver's is useful when the monitor settings doesn't go dark enough, as I found out with a different monitor and driver. < 1532518755 938403 :felt!~ep100@41.114.200.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532519193 892182 :felt!~ep100@41.114.200.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532519572 847415 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-palghmzsvtppsstz JOIN :#esoteric > 1532520628 551469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stun Step14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57034 5* 03Ais523 5* (+7137) 10new language (note: this page is slightly unfinished, but the specification itself should be finished) < 1532520657 274594 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1532520664 926204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57035&oldid=56985 5* 03Ais523 5* (+16) 10/* S */ +[[Stun Step]] < 1532520677 416503 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1532520695 882406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57036&oldid=56651 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15) 10+[[Stun Step]] < 1532521068 621556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1532521103 18204 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1532521148 202231 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532521165 468761 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532522278 723430 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532522908 408464 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client > 1532524104 869388 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MSR14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57037 5* 03GDavid 5* (+8163) 10Created page with "MSR or Match Switch Reverse is an esoteric programming language invented by [[User:GDavid]]. The memory of a program is infinite.
Bits in memory are called fields.
1532524259 339574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MSR14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57038&oldid=57037 5* 03GDavid 5* (+6) 10 > 1532524599 165694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Match Switch Reverse14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57039 5* 03GDavid 5* (+17) 10Redirected page to [[MSR]] > 1532524682 606750 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57040&oldid=56639 5* 03A 5* (-30) 10 > 1532524731 854390 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SimpleScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57041&oldid=57040 5* 03A 5* (-66) 10 > 1532524930 887579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:GDavid14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57042 5* 03GDavid 5* (+35) 10Created page with "[[Category:People]] I made [[MSR]]." > 1532524987 678229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57043&oldid=57035 5* 03GDavid 5* (+10) 10 > 1532525071 834426 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57044&oldid=57043 5* 03GDavid 5* (+10) 10 < 1532528542 415760 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-palghmzsvtppsstz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532529056 145193 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1532529069 297912 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1532530524 768347 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lkkcinjpvjjeabvj JOIN :#esoteric < 1532530930 2234 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532531662 222617 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532532338 137485 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1532532616 328117 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532533130 235105 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532534913 992221 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532536879 228792 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532537142 206003 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532538555 739067 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532538801 630793 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532539353 443098 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532539709 781227 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532540617 175205 :ikaros28!~ikaros28@a80-101-15-27.adsl.xs4all.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1532541038 622869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532541967 400838 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532542235 410652 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532542471 596730 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532543384 12336 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532543386 600456 :max1!~max@105.225.182.170 QUIT :Client Quit < 1532543389 234033 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532543474 665714 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532544056 516181 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1532544283 112811 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57045 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+494) 10Suggested modification < 1532545404 646069 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532546732 652593 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532546820 530482 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xFACEB00B is a prime number < 1532547032 320655 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god. < 1532547067 932369 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running a search for funny ones < 1532547087 108022 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C0DEB011 < 1532547119 679359 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532547124 976904 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, running is a strong word < 1532547143 394399 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing them in and seeing if they're prime < 1532547302 432375 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAFE7175 < 1532547316 470352 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now using a perl scipt < 1532547378 401654 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :cafe 7175 sounds like a solid name for an indie game. < 1532547395 516193 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAFETITS < 1532547468 306227 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stance does not change. :> < 1532548189 687263 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532548388 953594 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1532548392 860752 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 0xBABEA555 > 1532548631 959832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DMC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57046&oldid=56865 5* 03DMC 5* (+0) 10 < 1532548827 785388 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xB1667175 is a prime nubmer too < 1532548878 582493 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532549419 345375 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532549539 179531 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1532550712 608508 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532550969 597176 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532551215 232369 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532552132 253223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ZaYen 5* 10New user account > 1532552197 408512 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57047&oldid=56967 5* 03ZaYen 5* (+176) 10/* Introductions */ > 1532552202 748738 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZaYen14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57048 5* 03ZaYen 5* (+397) 10Created page with "I made the Hello Interpreter in Python 3.5 I AM THE REAL ZAYNE. I LOST MY ACCOUNT! == Interpreters Made == [[Hello]] Python interpreter
[[Hello++]] Python interpreter 1532552226 405790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ZaYen14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57049 5* 03ZaYen 5* (+134) 10Created page with "Because nobody made a topic I decided to make this page --[[User:Zayne|Zayne]] ([[User talk:Zayne|talk]]) 16:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC)" > 1532552266 806925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zayne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57050&oldid=52860 5* 03ZaYen 5* (-308) 10 > 1532552289 578018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZaYen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57051&oldid=57048 5* 03ZaYen 5* (+0) 10 < 1532552406 172907 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532552560 126568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the first lang that used the lengths of arbitrary words to define numbers? > 1532553030 989346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lukalot 5* 10New user account < 1532553715 184390 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532554053 661535 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532554320 624002 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532555849 462859 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Started a process looking for funny 64 bit primes < 1532556462 668267 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532557293 181626 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532558542 420893 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lkkcinjpvjjeabvj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532561603 633154 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: HELLORCAH! TOURNAMENT! SEPTEMBER! SUBSCRIPTIONS! THINGS LIKE THAT! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1532561966 974775 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1532563124 461393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532564130 338594 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily < 1532564241 93893 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia < 1532564862 297659 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532565556 490010 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532565727 305822 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily, hellopia < 1532565855 238893 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœøirjan! < 1532565886 425955 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532566145 412271 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532566156 229018 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532566722 25219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1532566741 812663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the answer to my question above? < 1532566814 861253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the first lang that used the lengths of arbitrary words to define numbers? > 1532567005 687640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57052&oldid=57047 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10*Cough* < 1532567249 248555 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COSTLY CHICKEN > 1532567344 894126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57053&oldid=57045 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+294) 10Motivation < 1532567465 639750 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i do not, although .Gertrude is a weirder way of making a language based on word lengths < 1532567980 129788 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1532567998 670032 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532569032 202606 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1532569249 239206 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532569429 940706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57054&oldid=57034 5* 03Ais523 5* (+387) 10on a suggestion by rjan > 1532569461 219556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57055&oldid=57053 5* 03Ais523 5* (+245) 10specification updated < 1532569510 196088 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532575589 718133 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532575888 643330 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532576912 670852 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1532577698 460166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57056&oldid=56281 5* 03A 5* (+160) 10/* Normal implementations */ > 1532577777 751683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57057&oldid=57056 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10Oh no, I bragged. < 1532578475 7874 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1532578753 914424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57058&oldid=57057 5* 03A 5* (+84) 10 < 1532578813 720358 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532579107 678725 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532579378 36203 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532581976 987076 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532582265 868227 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532585471 91812 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532586059 757532 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532586433 746022 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532587336 27186 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532587538 16141 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532587632 669323 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532587827 515005 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-llpdmbfzfidrqiwa JOIN :#esoteric > 1532587853 260059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57059 5* 03A 5* (+969) 10Created CC, trying to prove it to be not Turing-complete < 1532589219 35850 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532589290 297535 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532589482 23953 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532591153 440618 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532591289 68906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another half-specified language < 1532591368 318654 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532591877 673129 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532591914 23330 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532592015 429645 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1532593100 505857 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532593290 392147 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532594992 842594 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532595196 300249 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532596007 538256 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532596751 497744 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532596778 161232 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532596801 375526 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-llpdmbfzfidrqiwa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532596884 939522 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532597118 222077 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532598774 581261 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532598934 34960 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532599648 231017 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532599797 506214 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532600005 197590 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1532600075 179566 :Guest99!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532600667 892541 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532600840 352512 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532602543 856581 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532602714 19345 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532603239 861865 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532603301 676199 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: lengths of arbitrary words as numbers => I considered that when doing perl golf with source code form restricted to lowercase letters and spaces only, because you can just write length jjjjjjjjj to get the number 9, but it turns out to never worth it < 1532603350 93111 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, actually, it might be worth it < 1532603362 785429 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this table says it's worth for the constants 1 and 3, https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=340164 < 1532603373 229907 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course that might not be optimal < 1532603456 612820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. "The list has been updated." is a pretty useless satement. < 1532603486 982950 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I explain the update below the list < 1532603705 75120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(see below)" < 1532603727 227918 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I found it eventually. < 1532604194 203714 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532604341 222877 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532604407 971644 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532604599 779049 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532605294 521035 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532605387 201586 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532605405 358031 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how when ebay sends email about an order, it truncates the name of the item purchased. The item names are usually long to have as many search keywords as possible, and the truncated part often doesn't contain the actually important information. < 1532605580 169735 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not talking about the email subject. In the subject, truncating makes sense. It's the email body where this bothers me. < 1532605663 958107 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think ebay doesn't understand show slow post is to Hungary from East Asia. They always ask me to give feedback to items that haven't arrived yet. Heck, even some of the expected arrival times that items list are underestimates, which I know and expect items to be later than that, but still. < 1532605703 518652 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think when an item arrives very late, so I don't give feedback until that, ebay punishes me by hiding the item from the list of my purchases so I can't find it anywhere. This only happened once or twice, but still. < 1532605807 507152 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just lie and give feedback before the item arrives, but then I'd be in a lost position in the very rare case when the item doesn't arrive at all. < 1532606133 47502 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ebay is a pain for buyers and sellers. Especially when buying / selling internationally :-( < 1532606222 309723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: heh I read that as "intentionally" at first < 1532606249 658397 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I've occasionally bought stuff unintentionally! < 1532606307 354712 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION buys and sells lots of ZX Spectrum software. < 1532606315 957555 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532606535 311897 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532606618 458465 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already mentioned the very informative "1.00 HUF = 0.00 CAD" rounded exchange rates on ebay's special paypal interface, < 1532606681 315484 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although these turn out to be irrelevant anyway, because after like a year of using paypal and ebay, I found out that there is a way after all to make paypal charge my bank in the foreign currency instead of converting from HUF itself, < 1532606736 911596 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the interface for that is well hidden and requires additional work for each payment, which I think they've done deliberately because currency conversion fees is the main way Paypal profits from my payments. < 1532606837 448835 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me. I bought a spare mobile phone. I should order the screen protector foil in advance this time, rather than when I already have to use the phone. < 1532607281 76985 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a few bargains on eBay recently. I bought about 70 issues of Scientific American for 10 :-) I like the Computer Recreations column. < 1532607315 720404 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is eBay's currency conversion rate bad? < 1532607338 833696 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ebay doesn't itself handle payment. I usually pay through paypal, but depending on the seller, you can pay in other ways < 1532607349 983804 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: but the paypal currency conversion rate is really bad < 1532607370 52864 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliberately, because that's a good source of income for them < 1532607616 460697 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... Google says 1 GBP is 1.13 EUR. I received a couple of EUR payments yesterday and they used the rate 1.18 EUR -> 1 GBP. < 1532607629 314018 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just under 5% lost in currency conversion. < 1532608243 757839 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532608372 211859 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532608761 487631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 5% seems high. < 1532609046 436354 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: their terms and conditions describe exactly how they compute all the conversions, but you can just check the current exchange rates on paypal and see that they're high too < 1532609083 865525 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bank offers me much better rates when charging my card in a foreign currency, so that's always worth to choose < 1532609127 555518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I've seen, paypal, officially, charges 2.5% over the interbank exchange rate < 1532609163 947420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see contradictory numerical examples, so I'm confused. < 1532609648 2420 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532609759 811319 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's complicated. it depends on the details how much they charge. their TOS is long and complicated. < 1532609811 79733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My latest foreign currency transaction was a 300GBP cash withdrawal that ended up as 345.62EUR; the interbank exchange rate was 1.1276..1.1316 that day, so that amounted to 1.8% to 2.17% loss. < 1532609853 249687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I have no clue how much of that went to the ATM operator) < 1532609895 963830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though, hmm, I did get a receipt stating 300 GBP, no fee.) < 1532609900 219802 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you withdraw cash from paypal? that sounds strange < 1532609912 162281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it was an ATM. < 1532609928 198769 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was a bank transaction < 1532609934 743248 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but withdrawing cash is different < 1532609936 427293 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get an idea what's normal, so I'm looking at other ways of doing the conversion. < 1532609974 212773 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banks have two different exchange rates, one for cash transactions (called "valuta" in Hungarian) and a much better for payments or transfers (called "deviza" in Hungarian) < 1532610010 282380 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you pay the former, plus you probably also pay a fee for the cash withdrawal, and possibly a high fee if you have withdrawn the cash from an ATM abroad < 1532610056 173903 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see from the columns of https://www.otpbank.hu/portal/hu/Arfolyamok/OTP how much cheaper is the "deviza" exchange rate < 1532610076 562923 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's also a third rate for cheques, I didn't know that < 1532610094 171173 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... I probably knew but forgot, because that's almost never relevant here < 1532610111 734793 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever used a bank cheque once in my life, because I'm in Europe < 1532610145 621433 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532610190 311821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my latest GBP credit card charge had a 2.0 to 2.7% loss by the same calculation (and the amount was in the same ballpark) < 1532610212 432968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not checked the terms of service... maybe later. < 1532610260 669314 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but banks always have tricky fees other than currency exchange, so it can be worth to read their terms to figure out the hacks to get cheaper fees for the things you do < 1532610333 830539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I would still say that 5% is high, unless it's for a small amount. < 1532610347 22802 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532610355 399848 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires really strange hacks. for example, if I want to withdraw a larger amount of cash (which is not common), then it's cheaper for me to use the ATM of any bank other than my bank. < 1532610383 958198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1532610471 302070 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the same is true about taxes. there's a strange construction of effectively investing supported combined by the state through taxes and a side company associated with the bank called "egészségpénztár" that I should have used to invest money into for years, but I only found out about it now. < 1532610486 124962 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and telephone and internet charges too < 1532610515 673387 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly all these keep changing their terms a lot so it may require more of your time to figure out the right hack than how much you gain from it < 1532610542 36729 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very often they deliberately obfuscate their terms so that they effectively charge people for not regularly reading them < 1532610633 682378 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point you have to draw a limit for how much reading small letter rules is worth your time < 1532610742 521244 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these days they combine it with hard to use web interfaces to access documents and settings of course < 1532612053 403805 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532612195 353241 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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:variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532625604 830397 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. > 1532626709 306500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57060&oldid=57055 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2069) 10Reversible Brainfuck < 1532627215 439969 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532627415 310760 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532627737 16601 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svfnjqzydtlrivds JOIN :#esoteric < 1532627932 936684 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532628107 245680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532629113 731270 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532629286 88916 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NICK :MDude < 1532638035 795193 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532638724 100357 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532638934 33364 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532639598 392767 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532640604 756314 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532640774 282287 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532641835 386705 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532642504 958016 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532642727 309069 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532643978 255365 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532644429 453756 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532644643 517011 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532645230 435369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532645281 580493 :mertyildiran!d58e9a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.142.154.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532645664 539985 :mertyildiran!d58e9a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.142.154.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1532646428 378657 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532646558 543528 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532646584 351836 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532647032 92251 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, about a year ago, I wanted to develop a self-replicating and evolving computer program (which equals to a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_organism) but I failed to get a meaningful result. I also couldn't create a competitive environment to judge which program is better. This is the program that I wrote https://github.com/DragonComputer/Swarm < 1532647063 518714 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's not that complicated or polished. But my purpose here to express an idea. < 1532647222 269986 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python here gives me the benefit of overcoming "issue of program brittleness" but at the same time it kills the parallelism and the ability to do stuff with memory in low level. < 1532647356 703201 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guarantee error free new generations but I'm unable to provide the necessary conditions to create a survival challenge. Do you have any idea or advice? < 1532648330 970164 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532648494 5731 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532649739 491033 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532650195 65395 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532650412 292977 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532651160 410650 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532651278 815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532651584 225169 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532651675 254632 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532651702 191990 :mertyildiran!b0e332f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.227.50.243 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1532652254 394527 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532652402 221076 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532652994 518241 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMV: graph rewriting cannot be done without using variables and binding said variables to subgraphs. < 1532653226 801598 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MAN < 1532653240 802467 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: define graph rewriting and variables here < 1532653313 185983 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( channel mini ...what?... ) < 1532653319 858606 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :change my view. < 1532653342 731278 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( darn, fooled by PPCG chat ) < 1532653374 452727 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: graph rewriting, rewriting over graphs. lhs -> rhs rules, only both the lhs and rhs are graphs. lhs is a pattern (that may include variables on edges, nodes, etc.) that's to be found in the given graph, and rhs is the pattern that's supposed to replace it. < 1532653396 140550 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "variable" here means a label? < 1532653426 299875 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"variable" means a variable. naively, something you can store something in, namely a node label, an edge label, or an entire subgraph. < 1532653439 962597 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know off the top of my head of two formulations of HR grammars, one that work in terms of an algebra of equations, like how a CFG works < 1532653447 373903 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other works with labeled vertices < 1532653455 24385 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :HR grammars? < 1532653468 339600 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :to google! < 1532653469 200072 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperedge replacement < 1532653473 441369 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1532653481 151969 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( highly recursive ) < 1532653487 186114 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with a hypergraph, with labeled verticces < 1532653504 777277 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats graph rewriting for? < 1532653543 331538 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :each rule is G -> H where G and H are hypergraphs < 1532653561 742692 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright... < 1532653565 863202 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1532653567 154022 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must have a certain number of distinguished vertices, the same in each < 1532653583 620000 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have some example rules and transformations? you have my curiosity. < 1532653600 17395 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a label match between a hyperedge in your graph, and the distinguished vertices in G, then you replace the edge with H < 1532653620 853009 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it without labels in theory, but labels get you a lot more power < 1532653637 59695 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlabeled is what I'm after in the long run. < 1532653640 216054 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you don't have much control over how matches work < 1532653661 901474 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want to eliminate labels, you could just invent unique gadgets to replace labels < 1532653676 678973 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just unique local "shapes". < 1532653694 931326 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: do you know the series-parallel graphs? < 1532653697 720899 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is I can't wrap my head around how you'd specify certain arrangements of nodes and edges. < 1532653704 930513 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in circuits? < 1532653707 440884 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1532653711 431794 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1532653734 957178 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recursive procedure to build them up can be expressed as an HR grammar < 1532653743 720206 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :...interesting. < 1532653776 875352 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say I have, for example, a loop that I want to extend. let's say I have a cycle of length 5, with nodes A, B, C, D, E, and F arranged linearly, with F connected to A. < 1532653802 435479 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to match any loop of 5 nodes, and then add a node after the last node. what would the rule look like for that. < 1532653811 548546 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :HR doesn't do that < 1532653814 348433 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only replaces edges < 1532653822 193050 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so you can't add or remove vertices. < 1532653825 51932 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can < 1532653832 665744 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can replace an edge with a graph < 1532653839 791678 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1532653850 472263 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 sec, let me make sure I get this right < 1532653857 28664 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, thanks for even bothering. < 1532653872 759273 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ab out regex < 1532653882 284497 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: this was my masters thesis :) < 1532653887 417685 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :o shit. < 1532653892 823095 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence the OH MAN) < 1532653894 273173 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :came to the right person then. :P < 1532653910 6541 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: so do you know the definition of series-parallel graphs by reduction? < 1532653917 887450 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, shoot. < 1532653930 958145 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the thing that sparked my interest was https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/computing-with-directed-labeled-graphs-3879998 < 1532654009 809112 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :a graph is series-parallel if it can be reduced to P_2 by removing duplicate edges and by contracting a vertex of degree 2 (other than the endpoints) < 1532654071 375220 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :contracting a vertex of degree 2. in or out degree. < 1532654077 653946 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are we talking about undirected, sorry. < 1532654093 945959 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :undirected < 1532654104 819369 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait my bad, I got this construction of HR slightly wrong T_T < 1532654105 194184 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha. okay. < 1532654110 286403 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I worked with the algebraic one) < 1532654112 554030 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao, it's cool. < 1532654124 105878 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're somewhere around computer engineering? < 1532654136 275343 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532654137 723616 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thesis was in graph structure theory < 1532654144 208294 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a SWE at Google atm < 1532654149 983076 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. sweet. < 1532654215 593886 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the labeling is on edges, not vertices < 1532654223 160605 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it denotes the nonterminals < 1532654227 429009 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. < 1532654239 990630 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the rules could possibly apply to all hypergraphs then, could it? < 1532654245 174511 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. for series-parallel, we have one nonterminal S < 1532654300 727408 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have rules v-S-w -> v-S-x-S-w, and v-S-W -> v=SS=w < 1532654307 233140 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of silly notation < 1532654315 502426 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the first one is meant to be series construction and the second one is parallel < 1532654328 854209 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words, subdivision and duplication < 1532654346 29052 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532654361 343737 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have one rule v-S-w -> v-w < 1532654366 393000 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just eliminates the nonterminal < 1532654368 98443 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty interesting notation, I can see the forking and merging. < 1532654374 512932 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is just invented right now for IRC < 1532654378 43838 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not recommend it in general :) < 1532654409 758253 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hypergraphs are often depicted with, say, cicles for edges and boxes for vertices, as otherwise they get pretty ambiguous pretty fast) < 1532654430 407047 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the series-parallel graphs are the ones you get starting from one S-edge and then replacing edges < 1532654435 870519 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao, I figured. but that's interesting. so you can derive any "reasonable" circuit from those two rules. < 1532654440 871088 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1532654451 821904 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result is well-known, it just happens to be a nice simple example of an HR grammar < 1532654464 985734 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does use variables. < 1532654468 995199 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :to bind to labels. < 1532654477 407821 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses nonterminal labels < 1532654483 882517 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a similar way to how a CFG does < 1532654495 375507 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. S -> xSw < 1532654510 466165 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1532654543 457523 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use labels to restrict the bindings, yeah < 1532654576 574977 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I'd ask.. how would I use hyperedge rewriting to do general graph manipulations like I detailed above? < 1532654581 335190 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of what I'm after. < 1532654596 827482 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :HR can't do that I think < 1532654617 487235 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. that's still interesting though, I didn't know there was a process for deriving those kinds of graphs. < 1532654630 900040 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually the start of a rabbithole of deep results < 1532654646 271492 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand why you don't want labeled verts, because in those graphs, all you _really_ care about are the edges. < 1532654703 650594 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1532654710 820448 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with using labels to carry information, as well < 1532654716 641133 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru. < 1532654747 162681 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HR grammars are nice because they naturally correspond to the CFGs over strings < 1532654757 310871 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other kinds, though, like vertex replacement < 1532654778 546699 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar idea, but they use vertices as the replacement point, rather than edges < 1532654782 939869 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what corresponds to unrestricted grammars? < 1532654804 970212 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure off the top of my head < 1532654929 604928 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worth thinking about it in terms of the algebraic formulations < 1532654935 636425 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way of expressing HR grammars < 1532654944 774565 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was the one I was thinking of initially < 1532654951 948492 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmmmmm. < 1532654983 244397 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mixed the two up < 1532655002 696892 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in this system, you work over graphs where each graph has some labeled vertices, no two identical < 1532655006 405036 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(called sources) < 1532655061 937569 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can freely rename sources, or make a source into a non-source < 1532655090 121152 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically renaming needs to preserve uniqueness so it's best expressed as swapping to keep things mathematically simple, but that's not necessarily relevant) < 1532655114 298575 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can do a parallel composition, where you glue two graphs together at matching sources < 1532655131 384413 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :huuuuuuuh. now _that's_ interesting. I can see how they're equivalent. < 1532655167 141573 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can be expressed as an algebra < 1532655173 975867 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, a bunch of things and some operations on them) < 1532655184 917410 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can view a grammar as a system of equations < 1532655294 37136 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. for series-parallel, S = st | S // S [parallel construction] | rename[t->p](S) // rename[s->p](S) [series construction] < 1532655306 186108 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :st is a constant single edge with ends s and t < 1532655326 829901 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then S // S is parallel since it joins two graphs at s and t < 1532655341 880261 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the series construction is obtained by taking two graphs, renaming opposite ends of them to p, then merging < 1532655349 995343 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so p is fused but s and t remain as the endpoints < 1532655360 808652 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh I forgot you have to add a forget[p] operation) < 1532655365 193955 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh) < 1532655426 772955 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphs generated by this grammar are just the minimal solution to the system of equations < 1532655465 906145 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wild. < 1532655476 868387 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherently, though, it can't do the sort of structural replacement you're looking for because it is focused on having a sort of exposed surface to glue graphs together, if you will < 1532655510 895936 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use it to extend a cycle, but not sensitively to the size < 1532655525 386276 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I can see that. but from what I'm seeing, the gluing operation can be used to construct the desired graph. < 1532655532 268440 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with a specific sequence of operations. < 1532655548 671366 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct me if I'm wrong on that. < 1532655557 567220 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1532655588 396824 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out you cannot create a grammar in this system that will have unbounded cycle size < 1532655594 174691 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you are restricting to finite graphs) < 1532655622 531035 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental limitation is on the fact that you can only "keep track" of finitely many vertices < 1532655647 282472 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eventually you'd lose track of how big the cycle is and just keep expanding it indefinitely < 1532655657 80981 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1532655661 429970 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all cycles < 1532655667 757393 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, ignore that < 1532655671 217174 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking slightly wrongly < 1532655677 428426 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s all good. I think wrongly all the time. < 1532655713 311496 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can of course do that because the series-parallel graphs do that :P < 1532655722 670880 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have unbounded cliques though < 1532655737 494358 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because once you forget a vertex, its relationships are finalized < 1532655804 223985 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this kind of model can't take edges away < 1532655822 469796 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so once you have a 5-cycle, you can't turn it into a 6-cycle < 1532655886 456180 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1532655930 774130 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFGs basically work on the same underlying technology < 1532655937 535575 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just over strings and not graphs.. < 1532655941 180381 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1532655949 295593 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have the same limitation of finite-ness... < 1532655973 935493 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the unrestricted grammar version would probably just be allowing arbitrary equations on the left-hand side as well < 1532655991 505895 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I think that'd solve the vertex amnesia. < 1532656014 287648 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually allow you to construct arbitrarily large cycles. < 1532656057 41389 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might < 1532656063 850358 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also can do this with different underlying algebras < 1532656071 242436 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :since HR is far from the only reasonable algebra on graphs < 1532656115 746838 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's some tricksy technology that's used to define what it means to be an equational set i.e. generated set here, but I think the general idea is sound) < 1532656115 872360 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :given. all sorts of graph grammars and equivalent algebras to explore. :P < 1532656162 705168 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably point you at Courcelle if you want to read more :) < 1532656171 95952 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532656175 180266 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :his papers cover a lot of relevant stuff < 1532656206 572909 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :say no more fam, I've got it logged down to research. < 1532656289 360518 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also some cool relation to the regular languages here: you can generalize the idea of a regular language in a couple of different ways (e.g. myhill-nerode construction, DFAs) < 1532656300 902 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a homomorphism-based one) < 1532656337 62802 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all work out to be the same thing < 1532656346 217936 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532656349 474618 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the relationship between recognizable sets (this generalization) and equational sets is not subset like with strings < 1532656370 719939 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do get the filtering theorem, that the intersection of equational and recognizable is equational < 1532656500 695008 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svfnjqzydtlrivds QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532656836 571443 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1532656838 491312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 270150Z 10010KT CAVOK 21/13 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 09006KT < 1532656936 738083 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :upcoming heatwave < 1532656998 262051 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: did I change your view :P < 1532657259 693895 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh, not realy. to actually implement your concepts, you still need binding. :P < 1532657275 7936 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't generalize to all graphs (I'm interested in working over semantic nets). < 1532657283 945315 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by god what you covered was interesting as hell. < 1532657769 632916 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532658170 18 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532658358 298665 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532660449 226311 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532660646 30483 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532662428 193429 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532662610 710532 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 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:#esoteric < 1532679491 802485 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1532680001 346132 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532680284 227179 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532685703 239280 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532685989 229374 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532686093 748606 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532688757 999063 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532689987 190092 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532690005 3119 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1532690659 562872 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532690867 310731 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532692096 248360 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532692394 234725 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532692549 568811 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532692740 377373 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532693628 717736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532693660 167866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to prove Stun Step TC has been very interesting < 1532693702 645083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that we don't have any TCness proofs for reversible counter machines yet, and it's fairly difficult to emulate anything using a reversible counter machine other than other reversible counter machines < 1532693717 916872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on a high-level (as esolangs go) language to bridge the gap < 1532693728 964470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably going to need an IDE to be effectively able to program in < 1532693732 668671 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1532693741 547784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1532693745 370697 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a theory question, not specifically for you, but for anyone here < 1532693810 523232 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's well-known that a finite state machine with two-stacks using some finite alphabet in the stacks, with UB on stack underflow, is Turing-complete, and you can simulate a one-tape Turing-machine on that, right? < 1532693816 413633 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want a variant of this < 1532693901 693422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the well-known variant is TC assuming sufficiently powerful control flow < 1532693927 796796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you also need the alphabet to contain at least one character < 1532693936 254627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, at least two, if underflow is UB < 1532693948 889601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you use one as an EOF character and the other as a counter) < 1532693961 940798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your variant? < 1532693978 928576 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The control is that the program has any finite number of states, and each state that pops has different followup states for each possible letter it can pop. < 1532693998 500364 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alphabets are large enough, you could say the program tells how large, but finite. < 1532694017 275337 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The separate alphabets for both stacks are large enough but finite that is. < 1532694074 388339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's TC so far (e.g. you can implement StackFlow in it) < 1532694097 234522 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's TC. What I'm saying is that it's also well-known to be TC. < 1532694104 451634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1532694111 900784 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my variant, what I need to be well-known is that it can simulate a Turing-machine with an oracle, where the program can interactively query the oracle for a string from an alphabet, and get a yes or no answer, and the program can call the oracle any number of times. < 1532694143 108123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want a stack machine with an oracle? < 1532694150 32481 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the machine I want to use for this is the two-stack machine, except it has a special state when it queries the oracle, with two followup states, and importantly, the entire first stack is the input to the oracle. < 1532694157 827274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! I see < 1532694198 482919 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what I want well-known is that the machine can temporarily save all its state to its second stack, not using the first stack or the control state, and continue, and call the oracle with arbitrary input strings from the alphabet this way. < 1532694204 443433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's well-known, but it's true < 1532694232 485362 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oracle input may need to be in a specific format, and can't have extra leading or trailing symbols or anything. < 1532694251 827767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's not a problem < 1532694310 469384 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could relax the requirement about the control state, but using only one stack temporarily and a specific format on the first stack is mandatory for my proof. < 1532694329 885591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way to think about it is that if you have one stack (as opposed to a queue or a tape), the thing restricting you from TCness is that you have nowhere to store the top elements of your stack while you read the bottom ones < 1532694341 909487 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also want this to run this with a reasonable speed, with at most polynomial slowdown in the number of steps. < 1532694346 689411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to throw them away (a PDA) or else store them elsewhere, and a second stack is sufficient to store them elsewhere < 1532694372 355439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can use the second stack for other things while you don't need it as a temporary < 1532694408 300383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to switch into "oracle mode", you do shuffling around to effectively put a sequence of imperative commands onto the main stack (each of these corresponds to a state that runs the command in question) < 1532694426 890863 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the problem with those string replacement languages: you have to move the oracle input from somewhere on the second stack to the first stack, and only that input, with some letter swaps, which requires a lot of states but who cares. < 1532694430 371108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"push symbol X on oracle stack", "pop oracle stack", "run oracle", "go to state Y" < 1532694458 3176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you switch to a state that simply repeatedly pops from the main stack and runs the appropriate command < 1532694458 821269 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532694467 425871 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1532694488 92041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the oracle is outputting in state form, you need two states to continue running the program after it returns, one for true, one for false, so that you use the state as a temporary to remember the oracle's answer) < 1532694508 17656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be an O(n) slowdown where n is the size of the stack, so if the program was polynomial it'll stay polynomial < 1532694537 246377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, I have something like this as a primitive that I put in higher-level stack-based languages < 1532694586 991091 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I'm trying to use this is that the oracle is going to be a random-access disk storing an infinity of bits, and you give the address to read or write in (say) binary to the oracle, plus tell it whether to write zero, write one, or read. < 1532694604 411577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the opposite of "infra" from Joy, so I call it "ultra"; what it does is converts the entire stack into a single function, which when executed pushes the data in question back onto the stack < 1532694608 351216 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for reasons, the disk requires you to write a bit before you read it, otherwise it's UB. < 1532694645 365978 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this way a stack machine with that disk as oracle can "efficiently" simulate a RAM machine or a heap cons allocation machine, where the slowdown is a polylog factor of the runtime. < 1532694651 631555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're trying to implement it in a language that doesn't have it, you normally need to alter commands to ones that record the stack height, but apart from that it isn't terrible < 1532694671 789895 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532694709 2122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks like I have an implementation lying around: (~aa(n:^)~*(*)*^)n:^ < 1532694721 748402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is Underload + a primitive n for determining whether the stack is empty) < 1532694744 16470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need to know where the end of the main stack is but in this construction, you can just use a separate symbol for it < 1532694776 46183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the stack model you're using doesn't allow for arbitrarily complex elements < 1532694793 221833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm, I wonder if you could use something with paired ( and ) characters to delimit the elements < 1532694829 726151 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I definitely need a finite alphabet < 1532694833 48726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd work better in a three-stack system than a two-stack system, though (one for holding the program, one for holding the data, one for parsing the data) < 1532694841 167386 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the arbitrarily complex data, I store it in the disk oracle < 1532694856 273070 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I can't afford three stacks. I need two stacks for this proof. < 1532694865 53742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: what you've got me thinking about is an Underload variant that runs on a finite-alphabet stack machine without a separate encoding layer < 1532694879 598090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easily doable in three < 1532694881 604522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two might be possible though < 1532694882 406195 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get a bit more relaxed with states, like, I don't insist on only one oracle state, but two stacks is important. < 1532694894 725406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via using the state machine to store data < 1532694996 3480 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for the proof of how powerful Consumer Society is, although for practical programs you don't need all this complexity, you can get away with a simpler construction that lets you access a huge but finite amount of data. < 1532695031 69586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, you do need three, so this approach won't work < 1532695057 826682 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I need three? < 1532695063 411058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not your approach < 1532695066 304586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine for solving your problem < 1532695078 795819 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the "underload with finite-alphabet stack" < 1532695089 441361 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even understand what that would supposed to be look like < 1532695111 583615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :['(',':','a','S','S',')',':','a','S','S'] < 1532695119 446687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the parentheses are elements in the alphabet < 1532695142 457730 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with 'S','S' < 1532695149 601974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS < 1532695149 618497 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1532695156 95157 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1532695157 932744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just picking a well-known Underload program < 1532695171 24615 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quine < 1532695174 63195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1532695216 326441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem with stack machines is that they're bad at copying data < 1532695224 151218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of arbitrary size < 1532695242 725222 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or rearranging data < 1532695252 74551 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, copying is bad too < 1532695270 801271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without supporting nested parentheses, Underload's ':' seems difficult (impossible?) to implement without the help of a third stack or a separate encoding layer < 1532695294 864525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, let's pose this as a problem: suppose you have a stack of 'a' and 'b', and an EOF character (say '$') < 1532695320 279717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you allow any finite number of additional characters, and you have a second stack that starts empty < 1532695329 863946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you duplicate the contents of the stack in polynomial time? < 1532695374 763751 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. it would be quadratic < 1532695389 610791 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you change each a to ac and each b to bd < 1532695396 566660 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one pass < 1532695404 303852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you bubble-sort < 1532695409 23608 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you do a bubble sort to bubble up the c and d < 1532695410 164312 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1532695412 426091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1532695425 51347 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be quadratic even on two stacks < 1532695434 274579 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a larger alphabet and enough states < 1532695435 672456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is possibly the first serious use of bubble sort I've seen :-D < 1532695457 475313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think this gives a general method for implementing two stacks with three < 1532695463 827725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, implementing three stacks with two < 1532695464 727460 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to encode in the state whether you need another pass of the sort < 1532695480 212249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in fact any number of stacks with two < 1532695498 855542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use one stack that simply contains an arbitrary interleaving of all but one of the rest (using different symbols for the various stacks) < 1532695502 826051 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I had some sort of question similar to that earlier < 1532695514 292960 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532695565 108191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you don't even need a bubble sort for this, just move all the information onto your temp stack until you find an element of the stack you're looking for < 1532695573 604519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete it, encode it in the state, and move all the information back again < 1532695590 886760 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, then it's cubical time < 1532695591 190453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should also serve as a proof that you can keep one stack with entirely arbitrary information, because all the stacks you're using for computation are encoded on the other < 1532695619 581361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only an O(n) slowdown, I think? accessing any element of any stack takes a length of time bounded by the total number of elements in all stacks < 1532695621 516932 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that works < 1532695627 198408 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1532695657 357616 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o(n) multiplicative factor sslowdown < 1532695678 370838 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like O(n**2) slowdown < 1532695697 287238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the program was running in O(a) space and O(b) time, it now runs in O(a) space and O(ab) time < 1532695702 891035 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1532695713 693243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually a fairly good complexity result < 1532695723 366137 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually important, to track the space and time separately < 1532695726 33978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that space complexities are normally smaller than time complexities < 1532695730 458211 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1532695745 321268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with some definitions they're always smaller because it takes time to fill all that space) < 1532695771 216230 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the space here is going to be only polylog of the time, because the space will only be used to keep a bounded number of addresses on the disk, as many addresses as the simulated machine has registers, plus a few temporaries < 1532695787 600561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simulated machine is sub-TC? < 1532695802 177990 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the simulated machine is TC < 1532695805 856830 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cons heap machine < 1532695813 300074 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I care about efficient runtime < 1532695815 794205 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the point < 1532695818 321099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the addresses get arbitrarily large < 1532695822 200153 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1532695838 586702 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only logarithmically large, because they're in binary and I allocate them sequentially < 1532695850 361837 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about garbage collection < 1532695855 468517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, this runs with polylog slowdown I think < 1532695860 962253 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1532695868 853914 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all I want to prove < 1532695994 350340 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will prove that Consumer Society is efficient in theory, as efficient as, say, SKI calculus or whatever reasonable computational model with unbounded memory size, up to polylog slowdown < 1532696029 312570 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532696039 446319 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can separately prove that it's also sort of efficient in practice if you only need compile time bounded sized memory, although not really so efficient that you'd want to run real programs in it, just eso-efficient < 1532696067 729371 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that part is easier to program by far, no need to swap symbols from an alphabet on two stacks or such crazy stuff all the time < 1532696076 120459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I admit to being guilty of writing languages that run in double exponential time before now… < 1532696116 542079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the reason my TCness proof of 3* stalled out is that I wanted to make a more efficient version of the proof < 1532696120 616163 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amycus implemented the naive way is much worse than double-exponential < 1532696123 546731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving a more efficient cyclic tag < 1532696127 276024 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with integers that is < 1532696133 660931 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I describe how to implement it properly < 1532696184 344693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no point in having complexity classes beyond double-exponential because they're all far too slow to even comprehend < 1532696188 705868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone attempt to run programs in < 1532696203 975725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this includes double-exponential as one of the classes that's too slow to comprehend) < 1532697424 537960 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1532698446 210070 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532698710 217772 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532698907 969936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's surprisingly bothering to see someone say nothing for 15 minutes, say "hmm" once, then go silent for another 15 minutes < 1532698948 502491 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I 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671993 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532716077 319943 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532716132 567387 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532716743 48163 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1532716802 236117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck in Python14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57062 5* 03Kaa-kun 5* (+1212) 10Brainfuck in Python > 1532716890 41554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck in Python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57063&oldid=57062 5* 03Kaa-kun 5* (+124) 10Correction > 1532717343 275449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57064&oldid=55607 5* 03Kaa-kun 5* (+432) 10/* Important message from Carbuncle */ new section < 1532722074 962046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My high score so far in "Into 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Did you play that game? It is like a cross between Panel de Pon and 15 Puzzle. < 1532722374 250124 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532722641 415776 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1532724359 919745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sylwester 5* 10New user account < 1532725047 690430 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-189-136-223.range86-189.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532725181 769439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532725512 763999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1532727667 429106 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532727937 473468 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532729776 437034 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532732119 395412 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532732959 301501 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532735891 142220 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532736885 492882 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532737068 727734 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1532737070 184170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 272350Z 11015KT CAVOK 26/15 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 13012KT < 1532737088 724371 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is seriously unnatural for trondheim at midnight tdnh < 1532737198 96127 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means i cannot get the apartment cooled down properly before tomorrow starts heating it again :( < 1532737784 314844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532739589 348466 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jddwcozvbtxbqvqq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532740944 44710 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532741951 823919 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57065&oldid=57060 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1086) 10/* Ideas for TC proof */ new section > 1532742287 800848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57066&oldid=57065 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+383) 10/* Reversible Brainfuck */ Observation < 1532745571 811455 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532745842 636042 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1532749221 305427 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hakerh400 5* 10New user account > 1532749859 898408 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57067&oldid=57052 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+142) 10/* Introductions */ < 1532750499 256909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to determine in Linux if the current time is a leap second? < 1532751818 922776 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26202730/how-to-find-out-if-the-linux-kernel-will-insert-a-leap-second-at-the-end-of-the < 1532751850 689402 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the above ought to solve your problem. < 1532751854 605186 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a flag that you can check. < 1532751937 483202 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532752193 318269 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532753044 268668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am concerned only about the current time when the program is running. However that suggests that you need NTP to figure out if there even is a leap second at all. < 1532753663 573996 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@216-197-185-20.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1532753913 676190 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( maybe the only way to check must take more than a second, so it's unsolvable ) > 1532754005 1955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional()14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57068 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+10438) 10Added a new language: "Functional()" < 1532754192 955423 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532754217 3193 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532754621 871057 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57069&oldid=57044 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+19) 10Added "Functional()" < 1532754701 485899 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@216-197-185-20.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1532754858 96122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57070&oldid=57068 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-1) 10 < 1532756630 974949 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Stupid heat < 1532758273 435652 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532758561 317856 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532760146 607676 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532761841 373649 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532762000 638466 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532763528 674038 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric > 1532764456 215314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57071&oldid=57011 5* 03Fogity 5* (+773) 10Added turing completeness section. > 1532766023 460191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57072 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+225) 10Created page with "The fizzbuzz program uses in a way that is outside the specification, i.e. to define a variable. Is this intended behaviour? ~~~" > 1532766728 383950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57073&oldid=57072 5* 03Fogity 5* (+131) 10 < 1532766820 190998 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1532766834 960134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57074&oldid=57071 5* 03Fogity 5* (+49) 10/* Language */ (clarified param count) < 1532767636 672803 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532767686 243557 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1532767949 348843 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532769135 233622 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532769882 287422 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532770095 331964 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532771833 411385 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532772030 13521 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532772607 46939 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532773713 4766 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532773923 312423 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532773990 998960 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532774470 665094 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532775298 233568 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532775641 435299 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532775798 672666 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532775863 53754 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532777524 774924 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532777714 7763 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532779105 406999 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532779433 94911 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532779607 306531 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1532779927 178378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57075&oldid=57069 5* 03GDavid 5* (-10) 10 < 1532781229 240423 :impomatic!~digital_w@host81-136-108-185.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1532781267 395904 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532781466 5038 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532781896 863275 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532781919 478089 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you trying to make an esolang similar to http://esolangs.org/wiki/2014 ? < 1532782025 102164 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you merely in charge of precise timing for some delicate astronomy or physics or spacefaring project? < 1532782278 483462 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, looking into ntp demons is the right thing for this. the linux kernel serves timestamps either as unix epoches, which can't represent leap seconds, so they're faked by fuzzing time to go a bit slower during a longer period before, < 1532782291 130643 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1532782306 396679 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1532782306 692888 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com QUIT :Changing host < 1532782306 709268 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532782312 377456 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monotone timestamps, which do go steadily even near leap seconds, but aren't anchored to UTC or anything other than an arbitrary point at bootup. < 1532782371 664230 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ntp demon gets the precise time and up to date future leap second info from a GPS receiver or from some other ntp server on the network, and so it's what knows about leap seconds and handles all this. < 1532782469 440190 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most linux programs don't care about precise *absolute* timekeeping, the approximate (to a second, in the fortunate case when ntp is working well and you have network connection, or to a minute otherwise if you set time by hand) calendar time and a precise but relative timekeeping is enough for them. < 1532782658 708484 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some kernel interface between ntp and the kernel where ntp can both set time and tell the kernel to slow down or speed up time a bit, which is used not only for leap seconds, but because the local clock can be inaccurate. < 1532783202 950421 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532783370 250387 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532783780 183616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532783936 866458 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/local clock/local hardware clock/ < 1532784157 38692 :ikaros28!~ikaros28@a80-101-15-27.adsl.xs4all.nl QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1532784281 2428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like there's still a little while to go before the AI singularity: https://zem.fi/tmp/ikea.png < 1532784514 267419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532784529 633967 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532784798 568592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-76-96.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1532784798 739338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-76-96.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1532784798 739395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1532785000 153335 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "you have made a simple door very happy today." ) < 1532785079 280102 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532785246 7723 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532785271 632551 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532785345 777744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Part 2 didn't go much better either: https://zem.fi/tmp/ikea2.png < 1532785686 602759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh it's not that this cannot happen with humans in a busy call center on the other end... but usually if you call again, you talk to a different person. With AI you'll have the same AI, over and over again... fun :) < 1532786135 135574 :wob_jonas!b03f1906@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.6 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1532786196 410018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really get a very comprehensive answer from the human webchat either, so I guess that's fair. < 1532786247 680118 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532786402 370588 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532786702 382290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1532786746 482652 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-146-060-044-180.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunderstorm < 1532786950 224850 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532787176 302108 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532788415 396033 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532788582 539772 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532788602 140783 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/stds/ESOSC-2014-1/ANB.txt <- the assigned number blocks < 1532788619 558872 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nortti http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/stds/ESOSC-2014-1/ANB.txt <- the assigned number blocks. < 1532788619 788778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1532788676 549345 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://esosc.mroman.ch/stds/ESOSC-2014-1/ESOSC-2014-1-2.html is still up for approval :) < 1532788681 864140 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't been formally approved yet < 1532788766 725663 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrevocable should probably spell irrevocable :) < 1532788861 379188 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532789026 20809 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532790205 929763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be fixed so that plain text versions of all documents can be downloaded < 1532790221 547162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Astronomy < 1532790718 554683 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1532790760 465444 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532790946 300462 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532792475 51276 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh I'm working on a markdown that supports that. < 1532792593 24821 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh. < 1532792826 653574 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532792965 321835 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532793172 665719 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532793194 666965 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532793241 409671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532793365 389419 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532793368 285393 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-016-162.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532794276 894267 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just click "Save page as" *.txt in most browsers anyway. < 1532794500 831997 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :html is just more versatile < 1532794671 83947 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532794850 24365 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532794879 403826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Still is not how I mean; I mean if you are using an external program to download it. < 1532795310 505969 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh yeh < 1532795990 783517 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use lynx -dump :P < 1532796599 39606 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532796746 304063 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532798626 607403 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532798756 787810 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532799675 270727 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532799707 400569 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532799805 429757 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532799817 726139 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532800487 757588 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532800627 23020 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532800674 8386 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532802361 892557 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532802380 966725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writiing some ideas about Scientific Role Playing System. I have considered to not have any character definition points at all and instead you can just define it whatever you want to do, with a few restrictions. http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/scirps.ui/wiki?name=Notes/Pointless What are your opinion about such thing? < 1532802575 300839 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532802945 661411 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qrbmmgvecvquaeaj JOIN :#esoteric > 1532803785 958832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57076&oldid=57074 5* 03Fogity 5* (+76) 10/* Example programs */ Added a palindrome program < 1532804285 189910 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532804424 665736 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532804744 908744 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532805583 691776 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1532805628 998856 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532805825 949115 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532805909 998060 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532806897 366731 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532807532 648421 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532808243 609820 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1532808496 227197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532808902 303355 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532810453 511051 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532810480 686915 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532810763 556253 :mroman!b2c03cf4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.192.60.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1532810905 55352 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532811872 714925 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532812171 919270 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532812581 178544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1532812832 968866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532813580 119707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1532814061 165876 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532814233 305461 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532814861 663098 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532814875 772961 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice. can you tell me a bit more? < 1532814994 905967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what? < 1532815134 297630 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what kind of astronomy you're doing for which you need to get the sub-second precise calendar time on a linux computer. < 1532815191 846601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I can just document that that function doesn't work during a leap second. < 1532815256 558719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a SQLite extension to use Swiss Ephemeris. The JULIANDAY_UT1 and JULIANDAY_ET functions are similar to the built-in JULIANDAY function but use the algorithms from Swiss Ephemeris instead of those of SQLite (it also uses different arguments). < 1532815277 793960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the function is called with no arguments then the current date/time will be used, but it won't work properly during leap seconds. < 1532815285 367939 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but with those, you usually want to compute values for any time, not the current time in particular < 1532815321 911296 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't just want to know the moon phase right now, I might want to know what the moon phase will be two days from now, and I don't need it at sub-second accuracy < 1532815323 404057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, it isn't necessarily the current time you want. But if you specify no arguments then the current time is used < 1532815351 359983 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you publish this code by the way? I'll be a bit interested < 1532815374 246299 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not specifically because I want to use them from SQLite, but as a good example for how to use some of Swiss Ephemeris < 1532815378 379456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it will be published < 1532815403 231573 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only interested about the Sun, Moon and Venus though, not other planets. < 1532815472 925994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is fine, although it still computes for others too (since I think they are all in the same file anyways). If you do not have the ephemeris files it will still work, but it will not be as accurate as if you do have the files. < 1532815707 770625 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532816027 708889 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532816190 351552 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532816199 797639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a library to use Swiss Ephemeris with Node.js, however it requires use of N-API, and might not be compatible with the latest version < 1532816249 941998 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1532817905 767973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532817921 720796 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532818119 309042 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping 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:atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532823565 630325 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532823568 11334 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1532823568 661911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 290000Z CCB 27024G33KT 6SM -TSRA FEW028CB SCT050 BKN110 BKN240 21/17 A2993 RMK CB1SC3AC1CI1 PRESRR SLP137 DENSITY ALT 900FT < 1532823675 918372 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532823861 301081 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532824040 493000 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532824230 971350 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1532824231 468262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 290020Z 07010KT CAVOK 24/17 Q1011 RMK WIND 670FT 12011KT < 1532825234 318226 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœøœøœirjan. < 1532825544 117645 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532825734 39715 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532825736 481711 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily. < 1532827456 717564 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532827660 311055 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532827755 882199 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: WEEKLY CHICKEN < 1532829387 496947 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532829550 715122 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532830010 533998 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532830119 251477 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532831259 517381 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532831296 782374 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1532831297 571417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 290150Z 10012KT CAVOK 24/17 Q1011 RMK WIND 670FT 13016KT < 1532831314 363697 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels hotter - or maybe just more humid. < 1532831459 297616 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532833112 864313 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532833294 10035 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532833390 942921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532833527 488066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532833567 185652 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has 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:variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532855008 194239 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532856308 637793 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yzalfyvyavvaasqh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1532856831 284643 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532856898 181189 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532857816 568823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1532858260 826898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57077&oldid=57070 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+17039) 10Added more examples < 1532858268 107506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tswtrm < 1532858269 292079 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswtrm? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1532858334 174370 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Too short, want to read more. ) < 1532858781 380527 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Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1532877076 958875 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532877278 191369 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532877798 882217 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532877895 620863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532878981 666601 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532879174 25201 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532880809 181877 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532880875 327188 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532881086 182664 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532881090 17038 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532882808 637822 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532883021 314681 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532884411 379131 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532884720 204783 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532884907 18326 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532885177 907061 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532886611 715653 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532886791 313157 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532887304 474959 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:19c3:3663:3701:4ad6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532887908 486607 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532888111 612579 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1532888257 585161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rosa Parks14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57079 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+2315) 10Created page with "Rosa Parks is a language by ~~~, based around bus conflicts and race conditions. == Overview == All calculation in the language is done by devices. The syntax consists of 1532888336 913491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57080&oldid=57023 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (-157) 10Removed completed idea > 1532888393 420040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rosa Parks14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57081 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+119) 10Hm < 1532888484 7971 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1532888510 814926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rosa Parks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57082&oldid=57081 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+183) 10 < 1532888706 8840 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532888833 744172 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532888877 859073 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532890445 339595 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532890640 24899 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532890899 562049 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532891851 130494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty good pun < 1532892434 793435 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532892649 298553 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1532893143 721368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Emoji-gramming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57083&oldid=55329 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+402) 10 < 1532893292 634616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm finite state machines < 1532893383 918379 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder NICK :Guest55147 < 1532894444 614147 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532894640 333467 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532896441 566030 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532896622 306116 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532897788 725926 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1532897939 635163 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532898026 666070 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532898100 636271 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532898332 647255 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532898633 227734 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532898756 416528 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532898947 10254 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1532900653 678528 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532900815 332085 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1532901202 114664 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-016-162.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1532901870 665118 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-016-162.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532901958 303271 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532902820 442528 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1532904309 212390 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero > 1532904610 238235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Neanias 5* 10New user account > 1532904861 364624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57084&oldid=57067 5* 03Neanias 5* (+134) 10Add my introduction < 1532905050 315850 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532905202 865482 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1532905222 217307 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532905532 209677 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1532905754 105973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played the GURPS today; the GM (who also knows about airplane flying) decided my character flying 10 yards/second at full speed is too slow, so instead making it 15 yards/second at minimum, and maximum will be 25 or 30 yards per second < 1532905762 862910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it is better? < 1532905988 598360 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right. < 1532905995 469956 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( yards per second??? ) < 1532906022 837456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS measures all speeds in yards per second. < 1532906601 403932 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532906771 52153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In making Scientific Role Playing System, I should use metres per second instead.) < 1532907271 337748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532908673 156828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1532908985 392792 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532909243 7606 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:2974:b9c:7fee:4fd6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532909277 253501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible in Linux to program a signal handler for SIGPIPE to know why SIGPIPE was signalled and if it is not the one it expects to call whatever the old signal handler was (in case it has already been changed)? < 1532909476 812043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else to cause a specific write() to not cause a SIGPIPE signal? < 1532909733 492478 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532910488 434950 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532910507 918682 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why do i have a +R flag... < 1532910586 315381 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh block private messages from unregistered users < 1532910610 316372 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose making that default is an anti-spam measure < 1532910663 879330 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532910805 329136 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm perhaps related to https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack, which i ironically haven't noticed < 1532910819 47711 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not very ironic when i'm only on two small channels. < 1532911162 754605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that too but I removed that flag < 1532913087 663674 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-016-162.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532913739 739208 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:c9e1:d7db:5ac1:fea2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532913746 580841 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yard < 1532913747 763696 :nfd!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:c9e1:d7db:5ac1:fea2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532913747 969875 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yard? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1532913753 618867 :nfd!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:c9e1:d7db:5ac1:fea2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532913770 957658 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn yards is short for "yet another retro distance system". < 1532913773 82536 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'yard': yards is short for "yet another retro distance system". < 1532913903 222174 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-102-060.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1532914407 856644 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1532914410 489064 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:montreal//Montréal is a city in Canada that somehow is obsessed with Vietnamese cuisine. \ monoidal category//Monoidal categories are just 2-categories with a single object. \ gopher//Gopher is int-e's vision of the successor of HTTP/2. But zzo38 thought of it first. \ grue//grue is the colour of the trees and the ocean \ wob_jonas//wob_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks. < 1532914424 824336 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: RETROGRADE CHICKEN < 1532915701 677362 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1532915703 366189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 300050Z VRB03KT CAVOK 16/15 Q1013 RMK WIND 670FT 11006KT < 1532915724 512353 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brief moment of coolness < 1532916306 651244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I think I don't need to deal with SIGPIPE, it look like?) < 1532920423 60658 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532928541 21065 :XorSwap_!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532928565 243984 :XorSwap__!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532929139 703023 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1532929314 414578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-248-2.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1532929314 882112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-248-2.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1532929314 882171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1532929460 4871 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532929726 65851 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532932602 894439 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532932892 814320 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1532933898 347452 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532935262 926923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rosa Parks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57085&oldid=57079 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+485) 10 < 1532935476 71830 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532936763 183879 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532937396 730111 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532938903 600823 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1532940226 581985 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532941077 215198 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1532941515 982251 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532942123 297348 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:c9e1:d7db:5ac1:fea2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1532944080 195590 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1532947878 600306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57086&oldid=57078 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+287) 10Added info box > 1532951847 780745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Wastl 5* 10New user account > 1532952155 900873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57087&oldid=57084 5* 03Wastl 5* (+188) 10/* Introductions */ < 1532955975 998408 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532956045 576106 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: SIGPIPE sucks, it's a stain of unix history. it would have been better if SIGPIPE never existed (that is, the kernel behaved as if it was ignored) and callers of write always checked for errors, but the signal is there for lazy programs that assume that writes just won't fail < 1532956150 25248 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know that the target is a socket, then you can call send instead of write, but if it's not a socket then send will give an error, so you're out of luck. < 1532956272 259378 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to distinguish different sources of SIGPIPE, then you're probably screwed anyway, since multiple instances of the same signal can be collapsed, so you can lose some errors. < 1532956333 747986 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best bet is to set the signal to a no-op signal handler in the whole program and hope that everything copes with that and checks the results of writes. < 1532959463 642038 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532960332 540248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGPIPE can be useful if writing to stdout I think, but not for other outputs < 1532960432 85136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that would be messy) < 1532961308 11224 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:2974:b9c:7fee:4fd6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1532962050 220014 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532962215 618454 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1532962658 665272 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pnolgkizxkjmmbnh JOIN :#esoteric < 1532967293 940941 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532967789 962127 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1532968009 14268 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1532968279 839064 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1532968325 444950 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1532968328 33278 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Got SIGIRL, dying... > 1532973979 67155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57088&oldid=56746 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* (+73) 10 > 1532974047 197780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57089&oldid=57088 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* (-1) 10/* Pyth */ < 1532974985 137226 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1532979009 187686 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1532980296 553227 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-oebwvstqkonwhawc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532980296 686294 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pjjydkwjucibkawi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532980311 341315 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zatnywurkqdvhwnu JOIN :#esoteric < 1532980333 137634 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-eeizohbwyyxxkpzp JOIN :#esoteric < 1532980380 994806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1532980831 548678 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rosa Parks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57090&oldid=57085 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+71) 10 < 1532981493 250818 :wob_jonas!b03f1905@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532981520 343440 :wob_jonas!b03f1905@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re yards, a yard is like two pound meters per kilogram, right? < 1532981535 377723 :wob_jonas!b03f1905@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an entirely sensible unit of measure to use < 1532984487 423547 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532984891 291284 :wob_jonas!b03f1905@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.5 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1532985793 318252 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1532985796 698522 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1532986352 780168 :il_barbone!~il_barbon@91.80.132.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532986406 453213 :il_barbone!~il_barbon@91.80.132.1 QUIT :Client Quit < 1532993508 589272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1532996238 490089 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1532996505 725681 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1532996507 170617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 302350Z 25009KT CAVOK 20/14 Q1017 RMK WIND 670FT 27005KT < 1532996541 391504 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, it feels a lot hotter. must be side effect of today's xkcd. < 1532996944 98291 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1532996970 603607 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone. < 1532997009 174322 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a silly question for you guys. < 1532997017 916323 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What mathematical statements are meaningful? < 1532997048 920430 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably arithmetic statements are meaningful. < 1532997080 65354 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I've got a computer program P which enumerates arithmetic statements. < 1532997095 282990 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the statement "all statements enumerated by P are true" meaningful? < 1532997175 257024 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty deep philosophical questions on which people disagree. < 1532997184 595157 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1532997191 114693 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1532997230 531926 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the time being, I'm going to assume that *only* arithmetic statements are meaningful. < 1532997265 762144 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, the statement "all statements enumerated by P are meaningful" is *not* meaningful. < 1532997310 891894 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitionists might have a different answer than classical mathematicians, in particular. < 1532997325 800303 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ultrafinitists yet another. < 1532997351 389718 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuitionists are likely to doubt that the Goldbach hypothesis is meaningful. < 1532997376 824429 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it can proved or disproved. < 1532997387 650337 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(preferably using intuitionist methods) < 1532997388 112595 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1532997458 331379 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I've got a sheet of paper here. < 1532997473 802713 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this sheet of paper, I wrote down every single arithmetic statement that I believe is true. < 1532997487 655658 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty dense. < 1532997487 769158 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a very large sheet of paper, and that took me a very long time to do.) < 1532997514 441666 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it collapse into a black hole due to the bekenstein bound? < 1532997522 267426 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1532997547 930162 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, just now I wrote on the sheet of paper: "Let U be the formal system whose axioms are all of the statements written above." < 1532997564 488398 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, below that, do you think I should write "U is consistent"? < 1532997578 349381 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wrote that sentence at the bottom, of course.) < 1532997721 340252 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessary. you might be uncertain whether arithmetic is consistent. < 1532997725 412725 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ily < 1532997774 182075 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although then you get into questions of what you mean by "true" in an inconsistent system. < 1532997774 408412 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. < 1532997785 448208 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than "everything is true") < 1532997794 568345 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I believe that the natural numbers are a model of arithmetic. < 1532997797 237378 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I? < 1532997810 144687 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would seem to imply they're consistent. < 1532997831 905467 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :godel's completeness theorem and all. < 1532997854 296067 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't believe in the meaningfulness of anything besides arithmetic statements, then I can't believe that the natural numbers are a model of arithmetic. < 1532997861 577670 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's not an arithmetic statement. < 1532997865 48322 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that presupposes ZFC, which implies arithmetic. < 1532997888 686696 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in turn, I have no reason to believe that U is consistent. < 1532997894 858636 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1532997897 612695 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :formalism ftw. < 1532998962 540753 :tswett!443096a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.150.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1532999105 688211 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space? This will save about 628 GB." - I have my doubts. < 1532999141 368310 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretly, it's encouraging you to shred your harddrive in anticipation of an FBI raid. < 1533000153 873089 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1533000418 5094 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pnolgkizxkjmmbnh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1533000559 434077 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1533003156 218738 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1533009335 224916 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1533009396 335695 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1533010036 999505 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode t̚ < 1533010037 771053 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+031A COMBINING LEFT ANGLE ABOVE] < 1533010337 442142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1533011607 646993 :somewhatmoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :totallymoony < 1533012903 994385 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1533014190 872793 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1533014308 79988 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdtrfcordiqhxhzf JOIN :#esoteric < 1533016332 229486 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1533021372 552821 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1533021932 702237 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1533023985 862718 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1533024981 152397 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1533025061 249149 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdtrfcordiqhxhzf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1533025235 385678 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1533026010 246271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rosa Parks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57091&oldid=57090 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+147) 10 < 1533029938 993047 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1533030092 980824 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm used to the convention from C and other languages that I put whitespace on the inside of a comment marker if the comment is natural language text, but no whitespace if it's code temporarily disabled (except when there's a tokenizing ambiguity from omitting the whitespace). but should I be using this convention in VBA? It looks sort of ugly < 1533030093 165076 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the comment marker apostrophe looks so much more unsubstantial than slashes or sharps. < 1533030937 554826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1533031008 409054 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1533031051 421355 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1533031789 334517 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1533031822 866010 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1533033083 688203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1533040089 512117 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I believe that the only correct style guidance for commented-out code is to have none. < 1533040114 843314 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO! < 1533040138 328213 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yes, that part is fine < 1533040152 195291 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is, should I use whitespace for when it's a textual comment? < 1533040204 657272 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the much more common case for my code, since I'm in the habit of commenting out code blocks with ifdefs or if conditions rather than putting a // before each line < 1533040292 934038 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, VBA doesn't have ifdef, so there I can't do that < 1533040592 247178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think I put whitespace in all cases, including commented out code. < 1533040625 935459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though indeed most of the time it's #if 0 / #endif, when I'm coding C or C++) > 1533041638 694300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ObCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57092&oldid=50418 5* 03Wastl 5* (+2) 10/* Example Program */ Corrected cat until EOF < 1533045170 266288 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1533046840 971566 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/treatment/ < 1533046841 566258 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/treatment/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale < 1533050474 140328 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAARGH! < 1533050607 791185 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the VBA parser requires a space between an identifier and an ampersand operator, because it can actually parse an ampersand as a sigil too < 1533050624 93819 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual didn't even mention that this dialect of basic supports sigils < 1533050635 520868 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1533050709 742191 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it makes sense in retrospect, but it's annoying because I already auto-generated code for some long string concatenations that I have to regenerate nw < 1533051594 12636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you should really give your operators room to breathe :P < 1533051677 44877 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's sort of my former senior programmer said too, that he wants spaces around operators as the most important whitespacing rule in code conventions < 1533051747 563619 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaces around close parentheses but not open parantheses < 1533051762 696874 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this: "foo(bar ) +1" < 1533051771 980345 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1533051795 790254 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, seeing that has made me realise I haven't eaten in over 24 hours. I should get some food < 1533051834 971333 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you at least made sure to keep hydrated, right? < 1533051898 990003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow im really behind on pbf < 1533051962 461161 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1533052052 946230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got myself a bowl of ceral < 1533052232 321891 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1533053761 868881 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1533053918 968221 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1533054113 432036 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1533054327 200486 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmrqcsrqkmvaexqp JOIN :#esoteric < 1533054556 349388 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed #esolang while being almost entirely in other places two weeks prior < 1533054565 956279 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric* of course < 1533054662 323156 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don’t read thoroughly and usually have nothing to add, it’s fun or/and useful < 1533055407 670346 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1533055614 711995 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking it'd be nice to extend the idea of reversible computing to analog comptuers. < 1533055685 920147 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm aware, modeling analog computers would involve using continuous functions. < 1533055771 986963 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently if you have a reversible function that's also continuous, it's a homeomorphism? < 1533056614 283705 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the function R → R is continuous and invertible, it’s strictly monotone AFAIR. For functions R^n → R^n IDK < 1533056720 803606 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a homeomorphism is a topological notion, and R or R^n do admit various topologies not too non-standard to not consider them < 1533056792 114135 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I’m too strict < 1533056816 93478 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was wondering where to look next since I wasn't sure what to make of things suddenly veering itno topology. < 1533057614 792450 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be described using terms from basic [multidimensional] analysis entirely, and no special topological treatment seem to have to be used to find something here < 1533057645 445829 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to swim into deep waters for every small task < 1533058035 897905 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monotonic functions seem to be in the direction of what I'm looking for, though for brining things back to computing it'd be nice to have functions with more than one argument. > 1533058117 452334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57093&oldid=57089 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* (-2) 10/* Pyth */ < 1533058449 929701 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just leaves me wondering how to order complex numbers/tuples for the purpose of having functions on them be monotonic, though. < 1533058478 6112 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic multidimensional analysis is proably something I should look into, thanks. < 1533058608 634198 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@213.202.60.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1533058690 519374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1533059372 596478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think my laptop's hard drive might not be working < 1533059414 877560 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's a good place to buy a replacement < 1533059451 701600 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1533059455 151582 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :newegg is pretty decent < 1533059470 695708 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the symptoms? < 1533059587 160767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booting fails and says "try running fsck manually" or something like that < 1533059608 773104 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booted onto a USB an ran fsk manually, get a ton of "Buffer I/O error" < 1533059644 934973 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know enough to know what's relevant from this output, but it doesn't look friendly < 1533059654 471803 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could query the smart data smartctl -a /dev/sda ? < 1533059662 268855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever the hdd device is) < 1533059672 742745 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that sounds like a hard drive failure < 1533059684 663502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, indeed < 1533059693 80093 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend immediate backups with ddrescue or the like < 1533059716 679281 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing on it I particularly want to keep < 1533059777 811972 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I've got literally no idea how to remove the hard drive < 1533059778 390809 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1533059803 670823 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1533059823 548588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm power drill < 1533059870 977731 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of laptop? < 1533059872 388647 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1533059880 923874 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of low-end HP < 1533059884 578016 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :newer ones can be pretty annoying < 1533059916 429189 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there are soldered on SSDs and similar sins. < 1533060025 342095 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just be new-laptop time < 1533060065 554511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... anyone recommend a new laptop? < 1533060107 939888 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpad earlier than around 2013 < 1533060125 231859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1533060154 412178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I have no better advice; my last personal laptop was one of th Acer One netbooks) < 1533060302 858361 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also heard decent things about eurocoms or some other clevos < 1533060316 810070 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :but expensive < 1533061633 820219 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: That just leaves me wondering how to order complex numbers/tuples for the purpose of having functions on them be monotonic, though. => you most likely don’t need this total ordering. It is in a sense incompatible with more than one dimensions < 1533064762 640157 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1533065172 689277 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1533065411 544715 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1533065620 263905 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just a question of whether continuity and bijection are, in combination, also incompatible with more than one dimensions. < 1533065779 176522 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1533065912 191738 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1533066448 444020 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1533067350 431926 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1533067614 718582 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1533067931 196151 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1533068097 323656 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1533068162 47783 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1533068616 216074 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: they are compatible, look at identity function. It’s always continuous and bijective. Invertible affine transformations are both, also. Now you can slightly “deform” an affine transformation and obtain more sofisticated examples. I’m not going to list all the possible functions, though, as I haven’t studied this topic < 1533068791 293438 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1533068805 968194 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1131 < 1533068806 774265 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1131: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1533068808 815997 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 QUIT :Client Quit < 1533068913 996020 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just need to figure out what area I need to study to learn some examples less trivial than the identity function and simple inversion. < 1533068967 87396 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Affine transformations are rpobably what I'm looking for, so again, thanks. < 1533069270 683148 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1533069510 662801 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this seems to be what I'm looking for. < 1533069702 1067 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got confused at some point and dismissed roation when I shouldn't. < 1533070645 460523 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also seems like a lot of this could be implemented pretty well as optical systems, which would would be handy. < 1533072696 727650 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.80.212.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1533072873 491809 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.66.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1533074007 674731 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.80.212.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1533076503 11243 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1533078524 321212 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1533078601 733374 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1533078627 237389 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1533079646 267612 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-102-060.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1533079672 414920 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-102-060.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1533080363 411742 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of olist < 1533080556 926573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: true < 1533080559 577882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done < 1533080669 390076 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2