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00:21:01 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57237&oldid=57236 * Galaxtone * (-8) Redudent doubling of greater
00:21:37 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57238&oldid=57237 * Galaxtone * (+8) Undoing previous commit, mis-click of enter key. >:(
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00:29:11 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57240&oldid=57239 * Galaxtone * (+0) *cough* Woops, My finger hit the enter key, I guess the syntax for String Put has changed.
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03:07:24 <lambdabot> ENVA 050250Z 15003KT 7000 RA FEW002 SCT018 BKN062 12/11 Q1012 RESHRA RMK WIND 670FT 21008KT
03:07:37 <lambdabot> KOAK 050253Z 27011KT 10SM CLR 17/12 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP127 T01720122 55003
03:07:43 <lambdabot> KJFK 050251Z 28009KT 10SM FEW065 FEW250 28/22 A3009 RMK AO2 SLP189 T02780222 51008
03:07:56 <shachaf> i was in nyc last week and the weather was scow
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03:09:00 <oerjan> indeed, i'm glad it's no longer hot here, although somehow the inside of my apartment hasn't cooled down.
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03:09:29 <oerjan> i suspect it is not time to remove the +q yet.
03:10:36 * oerjan has the big door to whatchamacallit open
03:11:14 <shachaf> is this the real world i keep hearing about twh
03:11:30 <oerjan> it's a room outside of my apartment, but still somewhat enclosed.
03:12:13 <oerjan> i tried looking up the correct word in english, guessing it was veranda or something, but none of the options on wikipedia seemed to fit.
03:13:03 <oerjan> because it's _not_ protuding from the wall.
03:16:17 <oerjan> perhaps screened porch is closest.
03:16:33 <oerjan> although my apartment is on the second floor...
03:24:22 <oerjan> hm i'm forgetting to eat the food i already put on the table :P
03:24:49 <HackEso> Your omnidryad saddle principal golfing toe-obsessed "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty loud hero is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
03:25:02 <shachaf> Maybe we should put eating in that, for your convenience.
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04:30:08 <shachaf> Sgeo: will there be an olist on monday twh
04:30:52 <Sgeo> shachaf, give me a bit to figure that out. I'll get back to you on Tuesday.
04:31:53 <shachaf> please make sure the cat does not get hurt twh
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08:59:18 <int-e> <shachaf> Maybe we should put eating in that, for your convenience. <-- so s/toe-obsessed/toe-gnawing/ ?
09:02:41 <shachaf> i'd watch out with making gratuitous nonsensical edits to that wisdom entry hth
09:06:06 <int-e> I think it would hardly stand out.
09:06:17 <int-e> But perhaps I missed the implicit irony tag.
09:06:44 <HackEso> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
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20:26:35 <Taneb> Horsepower-hour-hour-hour per acre
20:27:00 <Taneb> It's about 8.6 teragrams
20:30:00 <shachaf> what happened to measuring mass in metres like everything else hth
20:31:15 <Taneb> shachaf, you can't measure everything with the same scale
20:31:42 <shachaf> my book says the mass of the sun is ~1.5km
20:33:05 <Taneb> That's about 231 zetta horsepower hour hour hours per acre
20:33:47 <Taneb> Meters seem a lot more weildly for this, it has to be said
20:34:10 <shachaf> just measure everything in microseconds
20:34:16 <wob_jonas> shachaf: is this because a few days ago I said that a yard is approximately two pound meters per kilogram, and you want to top it?
20:34:48 <Taneb> I didn't see that either
20:35:11 <Taneb> Clearly people in this channel just like using unconventional units
20:35:35 <Taneb> I presume the conversion here is the speed of lite
20:35:45 <Taneb> (I think phonetically...)
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20:36:30 <shachaf> You also need the gravitational constant to convert mass.
20:36:41 <wob_jonas> look, my electric bill is measured in kilowatt hours, the speed limits are in kilometers per hour, the particle physicists measure energy in electron volts (which I think is actually -1 times what you get if you multiply an electron with a volt),
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20:37:10 <shachaf> whoa, G is only known to four significant digits?
20:37:45 <wob_jonas> the astronomers cosmologists use like five different units of measure for distances alone, my digital blood pressure meter and my doctor gives my blood pressure in millimeters of mercury, and let's not even talk about the chemists,
20:38:20 <wob_jonas> and when I fly on a plane the height is given in either meters or feet, so don't tell me that we're using metric in Europe.
20:38:26 <shachaf> a least it's not inches of mercury hth
20:38:44 <wob_jonas> I am trying, but there's only so much I can do.
20:39:08 <shachaf> The metric system is scow anyway. Everyone should use natural units.
20:40:00 <wob_jonas> I am giving lengths in meters when my co-workers want to variously use micrometers, millimeters, centimeters, or meters, depending on what they measure.
20:42:40 <wob_jonas> I'm watching the great videos of the youtubing woodworker Matthias Wandel, who randomly uses meters, centimeters, decimeters, millimeters, thousands of inches, inches, sixteenths of inches, and feet for lengths of parts of the objects he builds, and he's Canadian, where they're supposedly using metric too.
20:44:42 <shachaf> Is using seconds for mass meaningful?
20:45:10 <shachaf> Using metres for mass indicates the Schwarzschild radius or something.
20:45:19 <wob_jonas> And as I work with cameras, I have to know that the reciprocial of the tangent of the half of the angle of view or whatever that is of a camera is given as "35 mm equivalent focal distance", which means
20:46:23 <wob_jonas> that it's measured in multiplies of the width or height or diagonal of the "35 millimeter film", which is 36 millimeter high and 24 millimeter tall, depending on whether it's for a horizontal or vertical or diagonal angle of view.
20:46:45 <wob_jonas> And I've read how this works several times but I still can't remember it.
20:47:05 <int-e> Oh I guess astronomy is useless for measuring G... so we have to measure miniscule forces instead. Fun.
20:47:29 <wob_jonas> And to make it worse, descriptions use "focal distance" to mean either the real focal distance, the 35 millimeter equivalent focal distance in horizontal, in vertical, or in diagonal.
20:47:33 <int-e> (Astronomy uses G to infer masses.)
20:48:12 <int-e> "This inherent difficulty has caused big G to become the only fundamental constant of physics for which the uncertainty of the standard value has risen over time as more and more measurements are made." -- fun :)
20:48:43 * int-e is looking at https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/puzzling-measurement-of-big-g-gravitational-constant-ignites-debate-slide-show/
20:54:43 <wob_jonas> shachaf, int-e: yes, and the other problem is that nobody can yet make an object whose mass is more stable for decades than a relative 10**-8, so we don't have a definition for kilogram compared across different times that is more accurate than that, and it will probably get worse if you want to compare accurate scientific measurements a century fr
20:55:06 <wob_jonas> and experimental physicists are trying to figure out a way to improve that with some riddiculous arrangement involving counting atoms in a ball of silicon that sounds like it could never work but the physicists swear that it actually will.
20:56:49 <wob_jonas> On the other hand, they can measure distances and time and the Planck constant unimaginably precisely, which seems amazing and impossible.
20:58:08 <wob_jonas> And that is how GPSes work, in the sense that that's why GPS satellites itself know their time and place very accurately,
21:00:28 <wob_jonas> plus there's the additional trick that sounds crazy at first but works when you think about it, that inside the satellite there's a test mass freely floating in vacuum never touched by anything heavier than a few photons, heavily shielded from the various radiations of space, and the GPS measures where that test mass is and corrects its own positio
21:00:29 <wob_jonas> n with thrusters according to it, so that it doesn't drift because of solar wind or other particles.
21:00:52 <wob_jonas> The fucking test mass is effectively in a better vacuum than space, which is saying something.
21:01:13 <wob_jonas> But it actually works, because in space, you can make such a perfect vacuum. On earth, it's impossible even in the best laboratories.
21:02:30 <wob_jonas> So we actually need satellites in space for GPS, anything in the atmosphere or on earth wouldn't work precisely enough, regardless of how it couldn't communicate with GPS receivers, because it can't maintain and measure its own position accurately enough.
21:02:46 <wob_jonas> Or at least, this is my naive understanding from what I've read.
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21:04:05 <wob_jonas> And on top of that, the GPS satellites still have to be corrected for the irregular gravitational field of Earth and relativistic effects.
21:06:02 <wob_jonas> The GPS receivers themselves are quite a technological achievement and have a lot of fiddly parts to get right too, by the way.
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21:10:35 <zzo38> Swiss Ephemeris and SQLite are both using Julian day numbers for date/time, so the program to use them together can use this too.
21:18:15 <wob_jonas> zzo38: are they the Julian number measured in exactly the same way?
21:18:50 <wob_jonas> I mean, to second accuracy, because you were asking about leap seconds.
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21:27:26 <zzo38> It would seem so; a query such as SELECT DATETIME(JULIANDAY()),DATETIME(JULIANDAY_UT1()); gives the same date/time in each case. However, I do not know what SQLite does with leap seconds, although Swiss Ephemeris does handle leap seconds (even if the operating system doesn't, which means that using these functions with no arguments may give an incorrect answer during a leap second).
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23:13:37 <fungot> boily: after evaluating ( g x ( f y t)) ( apply foo x)
23:36:05 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57241&oldid=57240 * Galaxtone * (+0) Syntax Confliction Resolved.
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