> 1534550697 819054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57350&oldid=57349 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+748) 10/* Commands */ > 1534551180 347411 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57351&oldid=57350 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+4) 10 < 1534551523 584840 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1534551743 921221 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1534551860 28299 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1534552320 285209 :Xenthys28!~Xenthys@186-88-93-210.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534552320 396963 :Xenthys28!~Xenthys@186-88-93-210.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1534553299 780609 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534554247 534483 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1534554533 611436 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1534554542 481547 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534554872 994783 :nodist!~nodist@pool-108-41-59-111.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534557367 16503 :Compu!~Compu@ntfkok099250.fkok.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1534557471 731272 :Compu!~Compu@ntfkok099250.fkok.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1534558202 582208 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534558205 447456 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534558728 583271 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1534558776 976306 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534559529 829504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there are similar ideas from other philosophers like my ideas of dual free will and transcendental deterministic free will. < 1534559619 153093 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that idea? < 1534559621 975503 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never heard that < 1534559750 892192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ideas are: Dual free will assumes a nondeterministic universe, and there are two kind of free will, being classical free will and quantum free will; quantum free will is more free but is also less effective than classical free will. Transcendental deterministic free will means a deterministic universe that uses transcendental numbers in the initial state in order to make a kind of free will. < 1534559787 429130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This argument does not prove the existence of free will, but it allows it to be possible.) < 1534560725 3865 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@kite.riseup.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1534561567 549078 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1534561639 807196 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534563181 430089 :nodist!~nodist@pool-108-41-59-111.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1534563577 867923 :Guest56478!~barjac_@111.176.248.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534563613 677869 :Guest56478!~barjac_@111.176.248.37 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1534563797 346189 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see how the Greeks thought it was a good idea to have free will be in opposition to determinism, what with determinism meaning your actions are determined by your own traits? < 1534563832 221216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, halp I seem to be mentally designing yet another Tcl OO system < 1534563852 653334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you design my language instead < 1534563853 795689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh < 1534563857 699476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{*}$foo somemethod to call a non-mutating method, mut foo somemethod to call a mutating method < 1534563874 923623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutation requires a variable name just like incr does < 1534563961 813212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what determinism means? Wikipedia says: "Determinism is the philosophical theory that all events, including moral choices, are completely determined by previously existing causes. Determinism is usually understood to preclude free will because it entails that humans cannot act otherwise than they do. The theory holds that the universe is utterly rational [...]" < 1534564009 684352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, there is also a list of the varieties < 1534564100 13017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course then you have to define free will too, I suppose.) < 1534564512 340884 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Friends don't let friends do yet another Tcl object system. < 1534564561 496997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the one I'm imagining sort of takes inspiration from both that transparent one + a bit of Rust (distinction between mutation and not) < 1534564641 416239 :Brace15!~Brace@156.199.15.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534564677 704998 :Brace15!~Brace@156.199.15.147 QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1534564737 114313 :yar29!~yar@42.115.5.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534564795 72378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is there a way to pass a variable name to a proc without forcing the proc to use upvar? < 1534564795 377510 :yar29!~yar@42.115.5.30 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1534564807 227936 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "previously existing causes" could be taken to invlude personal traits. < 1534564839 644771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is part of it. 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:sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1534610866 175980 :RussellB2819!~RussellB2@39.119.228.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534610993 27853 :LEI3!~LEI@13.149.12.93.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534611049 113134 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1534611143 754496 :RussellB2819!~RussellB2@39.119.228.179 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534611148 533689 :LEI3!~LEI@13.149.12.93.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1534613042 276028 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534613109 815541 :meffe!~meffe@183.157.189.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534613133 802207 :meffe!~meffe@183.157.189.35 NICK :Guest45640 < 1534613162 141517 :Guest45640!~meffe@183.157.189.35 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1534613289 844727 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534613803 610127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether tromp has been up to anything interesting (for this channel) recently. < 1534614067 299280 :gsdg!~gsdg@dynamic-186-29-173-156.dynamic.etb.net.co JOIN :#esoteric < 1534614246 462424 :gsdg!~gsdg@dynamic-186-29-173-156.dynamic.etb.net.co QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534614368 647751 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a new BLC paper < 1534614376 980883 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tromp.github.io/cl/LC.pdf < 1534614410 170658 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534614795 516274 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nice, though technically there's nothing really new in there... < 1534614851 846397 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh < 1534615132 361874 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534615188 395132 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534615336 666995 :felt!~ep100@41.114.147.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534615737 664557 :felt!~ep100@41.114.147.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534615840 435832 :nodist!~nodist@pool-108-41-59-111.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534616045 441320 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534616181 344621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: also I'm wondering whether there's anything new in that paper since 2014 :) < 1534616442 880262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at a glance (scrolling through two PDFs) the answer is "no". < 1534616669 660499 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534616743 680088 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534616775 827882 :nodist!~nodist@pool-108-41-59-111.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1534616842 804857 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they finally settled on “rēvērā id nōn vīs” and “jam tibi dīxī tē id nōlle” resp.; wait a second and I tell you in how many ways it could be written < 1534616954 848995 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534617027 668747 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534617048 746552 :felt!~ep100@41.114.147.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534617086 606002 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :macrons (ā) here aren’t a classical diacritic to indicate vowel length, so you would possibly want one of the following things: < 1534617229 915985 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534617257 332387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) to omit it altogether, (b) to replace it with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_(diacritic) (in that article, it’s also said that Í is written as a so-called long I, but you could write an apex anyway, as I am unsure if this form of I is in Unicode) < 1534617405 27445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, with apices you could use a small caps lettering and J → I, U → V. If you don’t want to mark vowel lengths, it’s probably better to leave all as it is, only to capitalize first letters of phrases if you wish < 1534617492 653736 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in these cases it should look AFAIR more like a classical inscription (apices, small caps, no JU) or a medieval/renaissance one (no apices) < 1534617777 673331 :felt!~ep100@41.114.147.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534617800 920110 :subleq_!~gavin@207.173.246.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1534617816 812415 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534618010 759912 :felt!~ep100@105.225.84.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534618162 291195 :maxalt11!~maxalt@193.164.95.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534618269 974073 :felt!~ep100@105.225.84.131 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534618412 226645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but what are the meaning of those? I don't know Latin so well. Then I can add them into the proper places < 1534618653 609208 :maxalt11!~maxalt@193.164.95.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1534618670 661688 :Matthew_19!~Matthew_@156.219.28.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534618681 718770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you to figure it out though < 1534619048 89827 :change!~change@223.199.168.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534619060 825326 :Matthew_19!~Matthew_@156.219.28.123 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1534619333 802297 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1534619537 562201 :change!~change@223.199.168.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1534619715 914572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unassignable-ABCDXYZ equivalency proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57353&oldid=11581 5* 03Zseri 5* (+375) 10 < 1534619858 122499 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534619960 496562 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1534620034 288514 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the first for the first in the text and the second for the second < 1534620061 827944 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first on the outside of the box and second inside < 1534620088 640769 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.210.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll relay your thanks :) < 1534620330 624511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1534620790 348788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1534621211 675063 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534621894 716791 :jcline12!~jcline@197.35.127.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534621896 560477 :nodist!~nodist@pool-108-41-59-111.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534621999 472497 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534622018 970389 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sort of thought latin used fewer pronouns than that < 1534622028 233171 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro-drop and all < 1534622078 381790 :jcline12!~jcline@197.35.127.124 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534622120 760585 :felt!~ep100@105.225.84.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534622339 349117 :felt!~ep100@105.225.84.131 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534622357 324870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is or not, using fewer pronouns than that. < 1534622374 310746 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534622490 309448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare to use pronouns in Latin except for emphasis, as verbs have "implied" pronouns along with them < 1534622495 84468 :nodist!~nodist@pool-108-41-59-111.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1534622497 980807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they default to if no subject is reasonable < 1534622504 576585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use pronouns for the object reasonably enough < 1534622511 70120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if no subject is given < 1534622739 507755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the case in the Latin inscriptions mentioned in my story? < 1534622790 20190 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the only actual finite verb there is dixi, whose pronoun _is_ missing. < 1534622799 105375 :mlhess!~mlhess@pool-173-62-195-100.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534622812 623204 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1534622888 467197 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first sentence seems to have dropped the verb for to be instead of the pronoun (which may also be common) < 1534622928 399448 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i'm no expert. < 1534623062 619929 :mlhess!~mlhess@pool-173-62-195-100.phlapa.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534623099 814550 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534623203 652218 :eir17!~eir@156.221.175.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534623553 635420 :eir17!~eir@156.221.175.80 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1534623620 219279 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1534623773 25715 :earlz5!~earlz@188.131.9.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534623774 76954 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1534623780 955163 :earlz5!~earlz@188.131.9.234 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1534623799 843811 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534623823 476767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there variant of OpenID which can be used without a HTML document or stuff like that, making it independent of the user interface? (How exactly you then identify will depend on the server working. Of course there can still be protocols, e.g. HTTP(S) or FTP or Gopher can be used to automatically download an information file.) < 1534624044 667950 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1534624368 645832 :nikivi11!~nikivi@41.202.169.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534624685 625234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1534624918 591458 :nikivi11!~nikivi@41.202.169.215 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1534626117 687857 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534626440 487481 :themill2!~themill@156.201.62.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534626456 165129 :themill2!~themill@156.201.62.227 QUIT :K-Lined < 1534627482 704877 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1534627503 678988 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@199.254.238.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534629124 147116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1534629373 918444 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1534629434 772825 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1534629542 938164 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1534629559 276335 :Shibe19!~Shibe@36.189.253.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534629692 236905 :pj7!~pj@117.217.81.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534629809 739577 :Shibe19!~Shibe@36.189.253.189 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534630238 574065 :pj7!~pj@117.217.81.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1534630353 741426 :siso_10!~siso_@160.178.196.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534630538 897801 :siso_10!~siso_@160.178.196.240 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1534630579 592961 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534630802 218208 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1534630824 647608 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zmutvslqaicjdney QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1534631009 437861 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534631255 388586 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534631294 569227 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1534631843 592360 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534632509 929676 :kline17!~kline@197.42.169.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1534632754 547671 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534632791 857241 :kline17!~kline@197.42.169.229 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534632818 724861 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1534632848 818850 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1534632967 778221 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D5AF.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1534632989 154291 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1534632996 344536 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-izzkqofvcdydiwfw JOIN :#esoteric < 1534632999 945967 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/954088127500733730/34060460FB95C746608C9E2C3930A1CAA668E9D7/ < 1534633423 556484 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1534633484 949464 :evil!~evil@c-a637e155.04-25-67626723.bbcust.telenor.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1534633548 764806 :evil!~evil@c-a637e155.04-25-67626723.bbcust.telenor.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534633934 908604 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534634085 756443 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534634456 613117 :Phanes!~Phanes@112.red-83-49-69.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1534634937 681728 :Phanes!~Phanes@112.red-83-49-69.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1534635032 231370 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1534635250 679097 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1534635546 770882 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds