00:02:45 <oerjan> @tell wob_jonas when @telling shachaf, it might help to spell his name correctly hth
00:03:03 <oerjan> istr you get pinged on -chaf, so that should still work
00:03:25 <oerjan> if you weren't suspiciously idle, anyway
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10:29:00 <wob_jonas> shachaf: tom7 left a few new comments about ''Running out of space'' in http://radar.spacebar.org/f/a/weblog/comment/1/1160 . Nothing surprising or revealing, just mentioning it.
10:29:10 <wob_jonas> I dunno why I misspelled his name the last time
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10:55:52 <HackEso> 94) <fungot> alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia \ 302) <augur> oerjan you're swedish, right?
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11:37:04 <HackEso> 1141) <zzo38> kmc: I don't need any of your organ at this time. \ 315) <zzo38> Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose.
11:39:14 <HackEso> 4) <Warrigal> GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them.
11:39:39 <wob_jonas> ^ that's Maurice's main rule in the Terry Pratchett book
11:46:05 <HackEso> 8) <Madelon> Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? <Lil`Cube> not yet <Lil`Cube> trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 29) <oklopol> anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true <oklopol> should put that on my todo list
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12:23:44 <wob_jonas> ``` quote 70 # this actually explains like half of the quotes file
12:23:45 <HackEso> 70) <ais523> let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future
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12:50:39 <wob_jonas> ``` allquotes | perl -we 'while(<STDIN>) { my%l; while(m(<([-0-9A-z]{1,16})>)g) { $l{$1}++ } $f{$_}++ for keys%l; } for $n (sort {$f{$b}<=>$f{$a}} keys %f) { print qq($f{$n} $n\n) }' | sport
12:50:40 <HackEso> 1/5:103 zzo38 \ 101 fungot \ 95 Phantom_Hoover \ 92 elliott \ 88 ais523 \ 81 fizzie \ 77 kmc \ 67 oklopol \ 58 Bike \ 55 oerjan \ 54 Sgeo \ 52 Taneb \ 45 olsner \ 41 Gregor \ 41 shachaf \ 40 monqy \ 26 boily \ 22 Vorpal \ 21 itidus20 \ 14 tswett \ 14 pikhq \ 14 itidus21 \ 13 int-e \ 13 cpressey \ 13 Ngevd \ 11 ehird \ 11 Jafet \ 10 HackEgo \ 10 coppro \ 9 elliott_ \ 9 hppavilion[1] \ 9 alise \ 9 oklofok \ 9 Warrigal \ 8 NihilistDandy \ 7 Phantom__Hoover \
12:50:44 <HackEso> 2/5:7 GreyKnight \ 7 quintopia \ 7 crystal-cola \ 7 Fiora \ 7 Deewiant \ 7 Sgeo_ \ 6 AnMaster \ 6 nddrylliog \ 6 ion \ 6 Patashu \ 5 ZOMGMODULES \ 5 b_jonas \ 5 CakeProphet \ 5 EgoBot \ 4 fax \ 4 augur \ 4 Quas_NaArt \ 4 \oren\ \ 4 oren \ 3 mroman_ \ 3 MDude \ 3 hagb4rd \ 3 Slereah \ 3 kallisti \ 3 nooga \ 3 ais523_ \ 3 Madelon \ 2 c00kiemon5ter \ 2 lambdabot \ 2 wob_jonas \ 2 Koen_ \ 2 lexande \ 2 apollo \ 2 izabera \ 2 j-invariant \ 2 prooftechnique \ 2
12:51:07 <wob_jonas> ^ Nicks appearing the most frequently in quotes. sorry for pinging everyone.
12:51:59 <HackEso> 278) <crystal-cola> anyway I've stopped ``trolling'' <crystal-cola> since apparently you guys don't like me claiming obviously false and absurd claims \ 286) <crystal-cola> I just thought you might have meant the Ramanujan tau and I was WOAH he weilds heavy weapons \ 287) <crystal-cola> http://www.sessionmagazine.com/img/nature/worlds-10-smallest-animals/worlds-10-smallest-animals07.jpg <crystal-cola> worlds biggest thumb \ 288) <crystal-cola> what telne
12:54:54 <Taneb> Hmm, I could do better
13:01:38 <Taneb> Like in general, but also re: how quotable I've been
13:02:11 <wob_jonas> Taneb: you're more wisdommable though
13:02:37 <Taneb> Wisdom isn't everything
13:03:03 <Taneb> And also, apparently, everything isn't wisdom
13:03:06 <wob_jonas> Taneb: according to a quick and dirty regex /\bTane[bl]/i , you are in 73 out of 1543 wisdom entries, not counting symlinks and that reflection thingy
13:06:23 <wob_jonas> (sorry) and in 58 out of 1327 quotes
13:08:30 <Taneb> Those numbers are quite close, I wonder if they correspond to how relatively active I am in some way?
13:11:16 <wob_jonas> Taneb: no. other regulars that appear near the top list of the quote statistics appear in very few wisdoms.
13:12:29 <Taneb> Hmm, that is true, the tanebventions are an anomaly
13:12:42 <wob_jonas> my regexes are very approximate of course, and I'm still checking
13:15:39 <wob_jonas> I think you're in a lot of wisdoms because they talk a lot about your inventions
13:19:32 <wob_jonas> I think there are only 9 wisdoms in which zzo38 appears: rdf; zzo38mtg; farbfeld; zzo38mtg.php; zzo38; amigamml; zzo38card; gopher; danddreclist; 9/1543
13:19:58 <wob_jonas> And me and zzo38 are probably responsible for half of those
13:20:59 <HackEso> http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt
13:21:02 <HackEso> http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php
13:22:19 <esowiki> [[User:YamTokWae/Sandbox2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57532 * YamTokWae * (+171) Created page with "'''Pxemex18''' is a programming language designed by [[User:YamTokWae]] in 2018. This is a extended and standardized version of [[Pxem]], which was made in 2008 by ."
13:22:32 <esowiki> [[User:YamTokWae/Sandbox2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57533&oldid=57532 * YamTokWae * (+2)
13:23:19 <HackEso> changeset: 0:e037173e0012 \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Feb 16 19:42:32 2012 +0000 \ summary: Initial import.
13:23:37 <wob_jonas> ^ Is our hackeso history truncated? Or was wisdom/zzo38 always there?
13:23:41 <HackEso> zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
13:24:32 <wob_jonas> is the wisdom database older than HackEgo?
13:24:57 <wob_jonas> I know HackEgo started as a more versatile replacement for some other bot, and the `! command that we almost never use is a remnant of that
13:25:01 <HackEso> `! is a command that runs interpreters. Supposedly. Nobody actually uses it, or knows how it works. It has some historical significance, where it originally replaced some previous bot of #esoteric that was not as customizable as HackEgo.
13:25:15 <wob_jonas> I don't know who knows anything about that
13:25:30 <Taneb> That was EgoBot, right?
13:27:29 <wob_jonas> but I think the history is also truncated
13:28:42 <wob_jonas> according to logs, HackEgo existed in some form back in 2010, but the HackEso hg history seems to start in 2011
13:32:20 <Taneb> It predates me, but not by much, in that case
13:34:12 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57534&oldid=57529 * YamTokWae * (+176) /* External Links */ GREAT WORK!
13:34:56 <wob_jonas> it probably already exists earlier
13:35:22 <wob_jonas> I don't have a copy of the logs (I should download one and upload it to hackeso so we can use it to loggrep) and was lazy to check
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16:35:06 <zzo38> SQLite does not have something like NATURAL JOIN but for INSERT statements, so that it uses all columns that exist in both the SELECT and in the table (or view) being inserted into and use default values for others.
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23:18:21 <wob_jonas> zzo38: SQLite does not have something like NATURAL JOIN but for INSERT statements =>
23:18:23 <wob_jonas> yes, it doesn't have that. and that's sort of a good thing too, because the column name is undefined and may change in different versions if the values in a SELECT clause have expressions with no AS output name and aren't simple column loads.
23:19:10 <wob_jonas> so if it had such a feature, the column names from the select expression could change in future versions and break the statement.
23:20:51 <wob_jonas> Obviously this can also happen in a NATURAL JOIN with SELECT too if you use sub-select inside FROM sources, or even without a join if you just use a sub-select source and refer to its columns
23:21:50 <wob_jonas> Heck, it can also happen with a view, because you can omit the column names from a CREATE VIEW definition and let it decide from the SELECT statement that backs it.
23:23:59 <wob_jonas> It would perhaps be best if all those undefined names were inaccessible by column name in the SQL statement itself, and only visible from the C api like sqlite3_column_name and from introspection, but changing that now would also break some scripts that use the existing names.
23:24:28 <wob_jonas> So those column names are officially undefined, but in simpler cases they rarely change.
23:25:04 <wob_jonas> I think the doc also doesn't clearly specify which column is chosen in some complicated queries when two columns with the same name are in scope.
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