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NNIX? demoscenes typically want to give interesting output, such as nice videos and sounds, so just "MMIX" isn't enough to specify what you can access, just like "486 with 16M RAM" or "6502 with 64K RAM" aren't enough either. < 1536744587 444614 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536744849 389441 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536745576 696718 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536745684 493263 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536745767 915643 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536745950 491954 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536747133 461943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sorry for spoiling your teaching moment... I have too many other things on my mind, I'm afraid. So while I'm prepare to reminisce about the fact that adjunctions foiled me (15 years ago, give or take), I'm not really prepared to learn about them now. < 1536747312 491935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It wasn't so much a teaching moment as me rambling about a thing incoherently to an audience that already expressed disinterest. < 1536747359 719573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we both felt bad about that... great. :/ < 1536747448 613047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1536747454 56618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't feel bad about it twh < 1536747598 393717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the past tense. Feeling better now :P < 1536747602 489709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or :) < 1536747651 217167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'd bet a third party that adjunctions wouldn't foil you if you spent a small time on them < 1536747668 498132 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Small realization: ":P" is easier to type than ":)"...) < 1536747683 867903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say a disinterested party but then i realized that wouldn't rule you out < 1536747735 443900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should do more actual betting to get better at estimating odds. < 1536747749 938795 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indifference is a strong factor here. < 1536747801 437465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, back to work... < 1536747804 822414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should bet you that you won't figure it out. < 1536747824 299798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote indifference < 1536747825 278211 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1320) int-e does not like this [...] shachaf: I experience heightened levels of indifference :P Higher than your usual? 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For example, if you try to access a class that..." > 1536782751 31419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cappuccino14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57573&oldid=57572 5* 03Joshop 5* (+398) 10 < 1536786688 371316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536786707 358050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1536786707 718924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1536787281 476272 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536787617 310053 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536788396 822581 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536788469 33632 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536788607 463206 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536788630 591849 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536789784 367243 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536789850 491977 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536789869 413321 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536789948 282188 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "There's a conceptual difference between, say, the :*()^a! subset of Underload and the :()^ subset of Underload; the former lets you build "arbitrary Underload circuits", the latter doesn't and yet it's still TC. The "fixed maximum population count" version of Life is an example of the latter, whereas most actual effort in Life programming < 1536789948 419509 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has concentrated on the former." => < 1536790014 5717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: did your comment get cut off? that's just a quote of me, plus => < 1536790027 754271 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand by what you mean by arbitrary circuits in the Life case. It's sometimes not even easy to tell what constructs you can get as a rectangular subsection of a one-step evolution of any pattern. < 1536790057 216593 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not cut off. I broke it deliberately there.) < 1536790063 876850 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, guess what: < 1536790082 591964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal standard is "anything that can be constructed via colliding gliders", which turns out to be almost everything < 1536790116 932622 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud, because the IRC timing sword cuts both ways: schmorp just told me something close to "I have to leave now because I'm tired, I only stayed up because you were in [the irc channel]" < 1536790151 406942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the closest thing to a cellular automaton that could be made relativistic? < 1536790175 351970 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1536790268 80953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you talking about Game of Life or in general? < 1536790278 719288 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: special relativistic (Lorentz) or general relativistic (Minkowski/Riemann)? < 1536790294 495080 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you probably couldn't put either on a simple grid < 1536790300 735598 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to use something more tricky < 1536790384 880816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I don't think relativistic effects could happen in Game of Life. < 1536790403 566875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Special relativistic would be enough (both would be interesting) < 1536790432 152381 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't really understand that < 1536790467 529052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this language I've been thinking about for ages in which relativity seems to become a natural part of the mechanics… < 1536790493 846983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually got me thinking about the "is the universe a simulation" concept; if it /is/, you'd expect something like relativity to exist, as otherwise the simulation would be hard to parallelise < 1536790608 200200 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? no. you'd only expect a speed of light (maximal speed) to exist. you wouldn't expect Lorentz-invariance because you wouldn't expect Gallilei invariance in the low speed region in first place. < 1536790621 838810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You'd expect locality, but why relativity? < 1536790665 417734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: shachaf: basically because you want there to be a maximum rate at which values can change, so that you know when transitions will happen; if you have a maximum velocity relative to a fixed reference, the sum or difference of two velocities can exceed that < 1536790672 152755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow you want a calculation of the form c + c = c < 1536790691 419032 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think a maximal speed like in our universe is useful for the anthropic principle too, because it means people can't travel interstellar distances quickly, so anything fast-spreading like an explosion or a civilization won't be able to form a virus that eats everything else in the universe. < 1536790693 752741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, something like the game of life has a speed of light and doesn't even have a primitive notion of velocity. < 1536790720 492979 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why you'd expect Gallilei invariance for a simulation or for the anthropic principle. I don't understand why it would help. < 1536790753 348410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's also inherently slow, I suspect; it'd be interesting to see how fast Life computers can calculate in computational class terms < 1536790761 660386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, complexity class terms < 1536790785 258700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is relativity compatible with a Hashlife-style algorithm in a nice way? < 1536790792 960612 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Game of Life, for example, has a fixed reference frame. It's not as nice as our universe, which has gravity that keeps people and their nuclear bombs at least bound onto the surface of big iron balls, so they can't just expand everywhere like some Life patterns do. < 1536790815 317029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of life also doesn't have conservation of energy (?) < 1536790820 580063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is energy? I don't even know, man. < 1536790833 188536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: game of life has a maximum movement speed that's different from c < 1536790843 352308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a pattern can't move faster than c/2 orthogonally or c/4 diagonally forever < 1536790847 135842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the maximum information transmission speed is c < 1536790848 315291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a conservation rule that implies that < 1536790855 486886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean c is achievable < 1536790855 888080 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So while Life has a fixed reference frame, I don't expect it to evolve nice small regions separated by long hard to cross empty space so that a supernova or civilization in one place can't destroy too big a region. < 1536790874 860691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, c's achievable for information, but you then have to spend time slowly repairing the communication medium you used < 1536790884 699020 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compared to us, a supernova explosion still is huge and destructive, but compared to a galaxy, it doesn't matter, and the universe is much bigger than that, < 1536790899 663098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :communication that fast is necessarily destructive < 1536790911 862878 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has galaxies separated by huge empty spaces, and even clusters of galaxies separated by even larger mostly empty spaces. < 1536790918 156790 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all because of gravity < 1536790980 306706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem with Life is that it seems inherently hard/impossible to make a self-repairing machine < 1536791012 501879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physics seems to have a primitive notion of velocity as well as position (?) < 1536791014 668629 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hubble expansion also helps, because with Gallilei/Lorentz-invariance, normally you'd expect various galaxies having very huge speed compared to each other, since a huge speed doesn't internally change them, so they'd get close randomly, whereas with a Hubble expansion, they get close much less often < 1536791020 70767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is different from any cellular automaton I know. < 1536791022 603442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make machines that are protected against very specific sorts of disturbance (e.g. a glider on a particular path), but I don't think it's possible in general to make something that can determine that part of it has been damaged, clear that space, and recreate the damaged component < 1536791026 355557 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems like the relativity is just making this harder. < 1536791027 818745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearing the space is too hard < 1536791036 695524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you shoot gliders at it you might just end up making a crystal < 1536791125 630242 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, and I'm not saying that this physics is bad, only that I don't understand why this happens to be a good design, and why a simulation or the anthropic principle would imply such a design < 1536791142 846273 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably some partial explanations for why certain other designs wouldn't work as well < 1536791173 424150 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric < 1536791203 647505 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1536791219 266640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, let me express it this way: suppose that position isn't the only thing that has a "speed of light" < 1536791225 935413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose /every/ number in your system has a maximum rate at which it can change < 1536791244 974843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you end up with something like relativity because you need to be able to handle changes to the results of formulas, in addition to the variables they use < 1536791270 176762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that give you something like relativity? < 1536791300 350174 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't understand why you'd end up relativity that just for that. Why couldn't you end up with a fixed reference frame with objects generally moving with slow speed, a fixed upper limit on speed, and objects generally accelerating slowly? < 1536791309 434676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: say 1 is the largest number that exists < 1536791316 655344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then addition has to be defined in a way that lets you do 1+1 < 1536791364 952497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: suppose you have multiple forces acting on the same object < 1536791380 734013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid going over the maximum acceleration you need to cap the sum somehow < 1536791401 204414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it with saturating caps, but relativistic addition seems neater in a way < 1536791404 144834 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the accelerations could add up with a v0+v1-v0v1 rule < 1536791417 920715 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry < 1536791422 649949 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speed could add up that way < 1536791434 767338 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like in our universe < 1536791444 908055 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only have one reference frame where that works < 1536791454 819573 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work after anything like a gallilei transformation < 1536791464 437785 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that still end up with special relativity? hmm < 1536791476 846554 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no, that would be special relativity < 1536791476 940324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I don't think you necessarily get /all/ the rules of relativity this way; you just need something that has similar mathematical consequences to it < 1536791477 999558 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1536791561 126617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I mean is "you can't deduce the rules of relativity this way, just the existence of relativity" < 1536791595 845963 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I'll think about that < 1536791669 866688 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even crazier part is why we have quantum mechanics of course < 1536791710 306774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum mechanics doesn't violate locality, at least. < 1536791767 343404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is quantum mechanics simply a real-life implementation of nondeterminism? < 1536791774 149971 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1536791777 692606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the declarative languages concept, I mean? < 1536791784 337672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty peculiar kind of nondeterminism. < 1536791790 799911 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it's just that < 1536791792 847352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because different threads can interfere < 1536791886 991535 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum mechanics is strange, you can't really compare it to anything you've seen before quantum mechanics. it implies some things, like randomness and stuff, but it's not JUST that. < 1536791904 583187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you need any randomness for quantum mechanics? < 1536791919 49698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you're simulating it. < 1536791944 197791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it only looks random from the "inside", picking a particular world < 1536791952 499395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1536791985 275896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interference of probabilities between worlds is weird, but it isn't that much weirder than, say, the cut operator in Prolog < 1536791992 545768 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's... complicated. you can say you don't need randomness to simulate it in the sense that you don't need randomness to simulate classical randomness if you want to compute the probability distribution in the end. in that sense, you also don't need randomness to simulate quantum mechanics. but then you have a choose a sample in the end, o < 1536791992 683236 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nly in case of quantum mechanics, it's not clear what the "in the end" part means. < 1536792009 735301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does there need to be an end? < 1536792080 955982 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because you can't just choose a sample earlier. not even necessarily reduce the amount of samples. you have to keep the whole probability distributions for the whole time. but then when does a sample get chosen? is it chosen once for the whole universe, sort of after or outside the whole thing?\ < 1536792103 608975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to choose a sample at all? < 1536792154 574300 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536792200 673010 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so that eventually there's only one outcome we see < 1536792205 254413 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of everything < 1536792210 741865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you're in the simulation like we are. < 1536792234 416820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're simulating it it all seems deterministic. < 1536792238 677360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that if you pick a sample at any point, you need to violate locality and do it globally. Right? < 1536792238 894803 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does "simulation" change anything here? < 1536792253 122579 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 was arguing for a "simulation" for how to make it efficiently parallelizable < 1536792285 800239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by who "we" is who's seeing the outcome. < 1536792289 407866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone inside the system or outside? < 1536792293 331019 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, that's the whole problem < 1536792394 338799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536792409 451670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For someone inside the system making an observation, you don't need to sample, you just get a superposition or whatever it is of multiple possible observations. Right? < 1536792427 798031 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1536792439 195999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For someone outside the system making an observation, you need to violate locality, which is scow. < 1536792457 201632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like wanting there to be just a single sample is an inside-the-system view of things. From the outside why would you want it? < 1536792508 291351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you want to keep the entire superposition for everything, you'll need a huge amount of memory < 1536792521 591588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1536792535 334511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe collapse is a form of stop-the-world GC. < 1536792543 714107 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not really my problem though < 1536792544 290210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense that there'd be some sort of cut/prune operation going on < 1536792553 308109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means that some samples will have a higher status than others < 1536792576 964510 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but there are almost certainly no cut/prune operations, at least not observable ones. < 1536792643 232151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "state collapse due to observation" may be one, in which case it might be observable by definition! < 1536792648 398782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem to use the same rules as those in Prolog though < 1536792694 948143 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but we suspect there's no mandatory collapses, or at least some people think there aren't any, although we aren't quite sure, because some people like Gil Kalai think there are < 1536792749 986846 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't prove it either way yet, we'll need a technically hard experiment to prove that there are no mandatory collapses, or some crazy new mathematics to prove that there are mandatory collapses < 1536792790 103149 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless some of what we strongly believe is incorrect of course < 1536792799 442737 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be even more surprising than any of the other two < 1536792842 63697 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1536792918 648128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, I'd be very surprised if we didn't have at least one really major misconception about physics < 1536792953 14524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, our theories of physics are p. fundamentally incompatible with each other, aren't they? < 1536792960 130855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine a way that we wouldn't have one. < 1536792961 318226 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, but not in the part that implies these < 1536792976 908422 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we probably still have misconceptions about modern particle physics, we don't understand how it works < 1536792983 485961 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not about the basic quantum mechanics rules < 1536793004 904717 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about the speed limit and lorentz-invariance < 1536793014 272358 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of the other conservation laws < 1536793077 770892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are way too confident :-D < 1536793100 27026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 years ago few people would have had doubts about Newtonian gravity < 1536793107 722939 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just saying, I'm more confident in that than whether the other questions < 1536793117 304582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 years ago maybe < 1536793119 116209 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's still no problem with newtonian gravity < 1536794878 288144 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536794882 675880 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536795022 246574 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our math is probably basically right but our reasoning is probably way off. Just like keplers laws < 1536795143 879180 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536795534 770827 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536795813 491443 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536795818 898847 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536796118 917335 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds