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JOIN :#esoteric < 1538041302 897837 :pinaraf23!~pinaraf@190-201-184-13.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1538041452 839174 :rawtaz2!~rawtaz@ppp31-192-139-27.tis-dialog.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1538041465 591821 :rawtaz2!~rawtaz@ppp31-192-139-27.tis-dialog.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538041986 890304 :ph0b0s_16!~ph0b0s_@27.4.86.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538042082 66444 :ph0b0s_16!~ph0b0s_@27.4.86.50 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538042094 39116 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Magyar Tudományos Akadémia I. Nyelv- és Irodalomtudományok Osztálya (Hungarian Academy of Sciences, I. Section of Linguistics and Literary Scholarship) weren't such a collective holy paladins trying to uphold the rules they extrapolate from tradition, despite that the extrapolation is chaotic and their choices often have no reason. < 1538042664 966109 :koshii12!~koshii@49.142.17.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538042724 103073 :koshii12!~koshii@49.142.17.210 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538043191 731378 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have much power on language use, because most people just ignore their rules, but they do control the Hungarian part of allowing giving names to people in official IDs. They insist that a name can only be used as a Hungarian given name if it is either unambiguously male name or unambiguously female name, despite that they already have pr < 1538043191 863766 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecedents that go against this, namely "Abigél" as a female given name when "Abigail" is used as both male and female elsewhere. < 1538043444 434934 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are we supposed to slowly erode the stupid traditional distinction of male and female given names (with a much worse choice in female give names too) if they insist on that, and we have to use one of the several loopholes nominally involving foreign cultures or foreign countries to put other given names in our ID cards? < 1538043581 487774 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, MTA I. Oszt. summarizes those rules on http://www.nytud.hu/oszt/nyelvmuvelo/utonevek/alapelvek.html < 1538043981 714706 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1538044579 738257 :parliament20!~parliamen@p7581124-ipngn35001marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538044869 601994 :parliament20!~parliamen@p7581124-ipngn35001marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538044986 962292 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538045017 419976 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1538046091 615827 :edge56310!~edge563@85.99.121.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538046137 706569 :edge56310!~edge563@85.99.121.207 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538046497 658708 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1538046533 996597 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538047135 499791 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538047252 206300 :Guest74488!~erkin@178.236.103.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538047454 95537 :Guest74488!~erkin@178.236.103.234 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538048501 575941 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1538048679 776360 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dmehemwfbdgjilar QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538048712 982531 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ibngcfzjkidgdste QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1538049079 720041 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qrzmnbpsxnyvqsls JOIN :#esoteric < 1538049081 727903 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pywdbnvyatvrnhle JOIN :#esoteric < 1538049435 739586 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pywdbnvyatvrnhle QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1538049435 870350 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qrzmnbpsxnyvqsls QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1538049567 594091 :julmac14!~julmac@i121-115-39-134.s41.a012.ap.plala.or.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538049588 255026 :julmac14!~julmac@i121-115-39-134.s41.a012.ap.plala.or.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538049881 15844 :vetu1045!~vetu104@61.105.0.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538049931 491171 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nizhvdolaszzsaiu JOIN :#esoteric < 1538049935 993934 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-isbdxqqykqxdsixy JOIN :#esoteric < 1538049970 253252 :vetu1045!~vetu104@61.105.0.138 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538050259 850762 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting ridiculous. The president of Kazahstan has declared that their country will urgently start using a latin letter alphabet for writing the kazak language, and he has announced three alphabets so far, in 2017-09, 2017-10, and 2018-02 respectively, each of the three different from each other and every latin writing or transcription used < 1538050259 983184 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for the kazak language before, and apparently each time with not enough details to figure out the correct writing of every word. < 1538050426 340288 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1538050589 244851 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even apart from what the poor schoolchildren have to endure if the change of writing system is actually carried out in the impossibly fast pace like the president suggests, I wonder if the President at least personally went and queued in the local government office to get new ID papers with his middle name written with a starting Ә, Ae, Aʼ, and Á r < 1538050589 377152 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :espectively. < 1538050664 321827 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, to serve as a good example for his people, like communist dictators should do. < 1538050885 320491 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that sucks. My snarky comment after the 2017-10 about Orwell and re-engraving all the marble statues and entering in people's houses to replace their instructions for use of their washing machine was better. < 1538051799 171274 :dmc_!55722a44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.114.42.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052228 688839 :dmc_!55722a44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.114.42.68 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1538052266 273646 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052431 731930 :dxrt_!~dxrt_@242-182-72-131.computex.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052505 857399 :dxrt_!~dxrt_@242-182-72-131.computex.net.br QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538052721 722832 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538052758 915369 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052778 38355 :liara18!~liara@110.77.221.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052858 321064 :liara18!~liara@110.77.221.161 QUIT :K-Lined < 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:john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is something like this considered bad programming practice in C? < 1538076599 902631 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (a != 0) < 1538076599 902693 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1538076599 902723 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a ^= b ^= a ^= b %= a; < 1538076599 902754 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1538077021 471165 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538077055 363895 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538077062 816792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1538077089 552607 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way to know is to get a job as a c programmer in a team with other people and try to get it past code review < 1538077639 596286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1538077650 238188 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in the middle of no-where. No tech jobs here! < 1538078351 463481 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer yes it is < 1538078383 961085 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is bad programming practice chiefly because it's hard to tell from a glance what it is doing < 1538078496 575014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1538078540 433765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also reasonably sure it's UB, since it modifies the same variable twice without an intervening sequence point. < 1538078785 368483 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1538078896 29078 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host109-148-228-105.range109-148.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538079260 759928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: IIRC assignments are sequence points < 1538079282 277595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let me check) < 1538079290 412932 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not see them listed as such. < 1538079299 892573 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might've just missed it though) < 1538079311 232572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, even if it's defined behavior it's awfully naughty to do that. < 1538079319 715908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also: we're debating whether it is. :)) < 1538079320 548795 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538079325 841916 :lagothrix26!~lagothrix@5-12-38-74.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1538079358 295844 :lagothrix26!~lagothrix@5-12-38-74.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538079443 330084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Nah it looks like I was wrong. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part. < 1538079519 580548 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's part of a code that attempts to compute the GCD of machine integers, or integers in machine floating points. Isn't that obvious? It's a version of Euclid's algorithm. < 1538079561 433942 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what code you have to put around it to make it correct, or if it ever can, but what it is _trying_ to do is obvious enough. < 1538079656 891815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the first runner-up at http://www.underhanded-c.org/_page_id_16.html < 1538079678 607346 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xor-swap thing isn't even wrong here, because if this is C and there are no macro tricks and it compiles, then a and b are distinct objects and the compilers knows that, and a good modern compiler will know that it's effectively a swap and optimize it correctly. < 1538079738 772924 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use the xor-swap thing on objects that are sometimes the same, that's generally bad code, but on objects known at compile time to be non-overlapping it's not a problem. < 1538079775 25111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still bad code < 1538079799 761175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's more important than the compiler? < 1538079802 674005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The human. < 1538079803 765274 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that runner-up uses xor-swap on objects that may be the same, and that's the bug in it (or one of the bugs). < 1538079817 815850 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sadly, humans knew the xor-swap thing before compilers did. < 1538079829 89808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Some* humans know the xor-swap thing. < 1538079855 345113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your code relies on the reader knowing this "one weird trick", and there's little to no benefit from doing it other than showing you're clever, it's bad code. < 1538079878 299840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about... x = x + y; y = x - y; x = x - y; < 1538079918 787071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost works for floats, works for unsigned integers, and can cause undefined behavior for signed integers < 1538079922 212834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun all around < 1538079927 448309 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still bad, when there's tmp = x; x = y; y = tmp; which is rather more obvious. :) < 1538079942 7592 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that can be undefined behavior because of overflow if x and y are integrals that aren't unsigned, and can produce incorrect result for floats, and I've no idea what it does for bools in C < 1538079993 980908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for repeating what I wrote? < 1538080001 293770 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the while loop with the %= a actually do? < 1538080004 36470 :tortal19!~tortal@2.91.172.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538080010 349497 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I recognised the xorswap, but I'm not sure what it accomplishes in full < 1538080018 528548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: euclidean algorithm < 1538080020 385276 :tortal19!~tortal@2.91.172.106 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538080026 368489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has been mentioned before) < 1538080027 946176 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1538080030 480486 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1538080039 299634 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that bit < 1538080044 20987 :Guest66878!~Guest6687@46.238.46.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538080054 740387 :Guest66878!~Guest6687@46.238.46.6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538080062 303548 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sorry, I type slow < 1538080091 731691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd(int a, int b) { for (;;) { if (b == 0) return a; b %= a; if (a == 0) return b; a %= b; } } // yay, no swaps. < 1538080114 250873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... wrong < 1538080135 310675 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd(int a, int b) { for (;;) { if (b == 0) return a; a %= b; if (a == 0) return b; b %= a; } } // yay, no swaps, and not dividing by 0... < 1538080480 591335 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538080492 840682 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538080770 718172 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but there's rarely a point to do either. division by a machine-sized variable is always so slow that unless you're micro-optimizing for decoded instruction cache or something crazy like that, you should probably use the algorithm with the bitwise shift and subtraction (TAOCP ch. 4.5.2 Algorithm B) instead. < 1538080826 227259 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just get one of the free software libraries implementing a fixed-integer gcd for you from the internets. < 1538081036 723732 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mlxzdbxvgtzvxesb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538081278 833858 :ilovezfs_16!~ilovezfs_@196.75.139.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538081385 773839 :ilovezfs_16!~ilovezfs_@196.75.139.238 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538081543 217154 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1538082335 228757 :carmony10!~carmony@134.236.101.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538082488 964936 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538082523 725314 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538082535 855613 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538082550 399410 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538082573 549509 :carmony10!~carmony@134.236.101.25 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538083174 864567 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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