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What did you do to the bouncer?! :P (jk) < 1535767380 563699 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1535767546 781717 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com QUIT :Changing host < 1535767546 781766 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1535769231 319733 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535769445 300852 :Dave10!~Dave@177.11.44.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535769737 245227 :Dave10!~Dave@177.11.44.3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535770062 437228 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535770871 272766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1535770968 155031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57499&oldid=55737 5* 03Ais523 5* (-17) 10/* Underload minimization */ golf the definition of ~ in terms of ()a!:*^ < 1535771003 304916 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 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host closed the connection < 1535804279 269812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535804285 268749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan the trick with the shorter Underload swap is to realise that ~ is really not the most fundamental primitive; the actual primitive here is ~a*^ (which I think of as _), and you can implement ~ as a_ < 1535804285 332678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1535804415 192587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan for any constant K, (K)_ can be written as aa(!)(K)*a*:*^!*^, so to implement _ on an element taken from the stack, we can use (aa(!))_ to push the aa(!) before the element in question, everything else is easy from there < 1535804415 280023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1535804691 477091 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535804979 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:LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535819489 238835 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535819496 390056 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535819773 229919 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535819793 327217 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535819970 255300 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535821163 246259 :siso_!~siso_@190.112.186.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535821366 264885 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535821449 239361 :siso_!~siso_@190.112.186.129 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535821641 395695 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535822014 687177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added another file format decoder into Farbfeld Utilities, this time for MegaPaint format. < 1535823538 233001 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535823805 220175 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535823808 660790 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535824054 640527 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535824420 375141 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535824596 575947 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1535824596 576010 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxahrhyjexjbbfbl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1535824644 610982 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kjuuhvhadmcowzhr JOIN :#esoteric < 1535824921 454850 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1535825511 299718 :Randy11!~Randy@79-76-12-162.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1535825698 886951 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535825718 267226 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535825793 625757 :Randy11!~Randy@79-76-12-162.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535826681 364192 :ssbr3!~ssbr@41.237.191.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535827215 646793 :ssbr3!~ssbr@41.237.191.208 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1535828087 232104 :Croepha23!~Croepha@185.204.33.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535828122 579305 :Croepha23!~Croepha@185.204.33.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1535828256 140163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vrty14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57500 5* 03FAKE1007 5* (+1219) 10Created page with "'''Vrty''' is an esoteric programming language by ~~~. It is an attempt on a good programming language that you can write easy programs on. Made in 2018. By the way, the devel..." < 1535829487 193104 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ufsfivrrjftgodtf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535829909 157118 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lcycnbvluidudlkf JOIN :#esoteric < 1535829939 385539 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lcycnbvluidudlkf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535830040 362188 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535830320 398169 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535830566 456992 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ovmkgmnwdqmkujoe JOIN :#esoteric < 1535832147 493023 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAKE1007 is being boring((( < 1535832151 627174 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535832191 359149 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don’t even hint what’s eso in that lang < 1535832424 655226 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535832567 253833 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The author of TempleOS might be dead (not sure if confirmed yet) < 1535832704 846310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HolyC is a terrible pun < 1535833251 1680 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tezfwxfunribgnmt JOIN :#esoteric < 1535836129 640301 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535836230 936054 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys. I got my second wisdom tooth extraction yesterday. it went much better than the first one seven years ago. I still have to be careful for a while with the wound in my mouth, but it was much better. < 1535836288 561371 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tooth came out quickly and unbroken, I only got one stitch, I didn't need to take any painkillers after, and my cheek doesn't look like I'm holding a tennis ball in my mouth at all. < 1535836376 747722 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-133-49-189.range86-133.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1535836478 166474 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will need a third wisdom tooth extracted, but that will likely be two months from now, to leave time for this to heal completely. < 1535836760 267881 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535836999 887496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like sqlext_graph? < 1535837014 220694 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535837708 359375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535837725 667208 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where are your sql extensions again? anyway, I don't see why I'd like to combine sqlite with drawing graphs. there are already standalone programs for drawing graphs, like gnuplot, and I can feed them a text file and give commands with a text file. I've written advanced programs controlling gnuplot. < 1535837749 681534 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could read from a database and write the data to a text file (or text pipe) and use gnuplot that way too. < 1535837841 405270 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535837944 387110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/sql/sqlite.txt < 1535837970 819729 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there's a zip! < 1535837974 737998 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice that somehow < 1535838056 118379 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you tried Scryfall's API yet? you know, the M:tG database < 1535838196 199040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not, although I have looked at it, and sqlext_curl can be used to perform downloads from internet. I am not sure how to present the data by SQL tables, or what constraints to implement (some features of Scryfall would be difficult to implement in the SQLite virtual table mechanism). < 1535838270 314862 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't want a virtual table mechanism, I just want a way to scrape most of the text data about cards (not the images) and store it locally, in a way that I can easily repeat four times a year. < 1535838308 14470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just download the JSON then, I suppose, but then is not as good for querying the data. < 1535838355 748539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want is support for incremental updates, but it look Scryfall doesn't have that. < 1535838360 644756 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, I'll then parse the JSON (I have used a JSON parser before) and massage to some better format, possibly a database < 1535838386 333414 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: downloading all the text data without the images every three months isn't too bad, so the incremental updates isn't important < 1535838395 873592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1535838412 362728 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need more frequently than that only if you wanted more up to date price data, but I don't think you need that < 1535838467 128001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need price data, at least < 1535838765 596895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like window functions? < 1535838791 671219 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535838828 887116 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I still don't really understand how they work. I haven't dug through their docs yet. < 1535839773 96372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how they work, but I have not tried it. (I will try it once the next version of SQLite is released.) < 1535840581 643704 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535840649 776480 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent a feature request to sqlite3. < 1535840695 268762 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll find out later how they react. < 1535840713 633745 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm requesting a new builtin function. < 1535840787 206239 :kashike2622!~kashike@179-199-103-254.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1535840940 648970 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535840942 209743 :kashike2622!~kashike@179-199-103-254.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535840945 437969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What new builtin function? < 1535840969 636567 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1535841029 399058 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.mail-archive.com/sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org/msg111795.html < 1535841160 741594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is easier to make synonyms of the existing functions in the core rather than extensions. < 1535841231 848329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I looked at the Microsoft documentation linked; the WITHIN GROUP clause is something I would want for ordinary aggregate functions (currently only window functions can have their own ORDER BY clause; I wanted a ORDER BY clause for ordinary aggregate functions before, too, but did not know what syntax it should be). < 1535841369 12456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I do not think it necessary to add another alias of an existing function there, but it might be worth while I don't know. < 1535841628 666575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PostgreSQL allows the ORDER BY clause inside of the argument list, which I think is probably better and what I thought of at first. < 1535841870 660239 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it might be better to have something that's like an ORDER BY clause for the SELECT query but that sorts the contents of each aggregate groups for all aggregate group (or all rows found if there's no GROUP BY) for aggregate functions iterating over the rows in that query. < 1535841938 627412 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so in a SELECT statement, HAVING filters whole aggregate groups, ORDER BY sorts whole aggregate groups, WHEN filters individual rows before they're aggregated, and there could be one to sort rows before they're aggregated. < 1535841989 668183 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you could also add aggregate functions that take the value from the first row, the last row, or the nth row from the aggregate. < 1535842185 141012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are already window functions for the first row, last row, etc, but these functions cannot be used as ordinary aggregate functions. < 1535842321 361439 :No!~No@119.192.123.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535842324 837242 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could also define custom aggregate functions for selecting a value from the first row sorted on any number of an extra set of values, eg. first_by(x,y,z) would select the value of x from the row where (y,z) is the lexicographically smallest, and that would still be useful and you could use different orderings in the same query, < 1535842348 979500 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you can't make that use the string collation function of the y and z columns implicitly, but most of the time you don't care about that. < 1535842376 521716 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't need window functions for that. < 1535842400 865124 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets ugly because you might want to sort DESC on some of the values, and it's harder to find a good syntax for that < 1535842426 330730 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably need a version that takes an extra argument to tell which columns you want to sort DESC by < 1535842484 596860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why I think you should just use a ORDER BY clause in the argument list, with the words ORDER BY; even with GROUP_CONCAT function you might want ORDER BY < 1535842602 907704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The window function is "first_value" and if made a aggregate function to write for example: first_value(x ORDER BY y,z) < 1535842613 578819 :No!~No@119.192.123.219 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535842715 820695 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1535842907 216691 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1535843009 82965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vrty14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57501&oldid=57500 5* 03FAKE1007 5* (+2) 10 < 1535843174 388682 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1535844030 358169 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535844346 149751 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see. Although on second thought, to get the first from a group like (SELECT t.u, first_value(t.x ORDER BY t.y, t.z) AS xf FROM mytable AS t GROUP BY t.u), < 1535844348 586106 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could currently use a subquery like (SELECT t.u, (SELECT i.x FROM mytable AS i WHERE i.u = t.u ORDER BY i.y, i.z) AS xf FROM t GROUP BY t.u) < 1535844563 519808 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SQLite can optimize that pretty well if you add the right index, like CREATE INDEX ... ON t(u, y, z, x); < 1535844590 442126 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that should be CREATE INDEX ... ON mytable(u, y, z, x); < 1535844619 278011 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the query with the subquery should be (SELECT t.u, (SELECT i.x FROM mytable AS i WHERE i.u = t.u ORDER BY i.y, i.z) AS xf FROM mytable AS t GROUP BY t.u) < 1535844680 823738 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535844683 373131 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you can extend that with additional result columns, ORDER BY and HAVING and WHERE clauses etc, you just may have to repeat the HAVING for both the inner and outer query < 1535845124 60112 :wob_jonas!b03f1853@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.83 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1535846414 984803 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1535846801 249047 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C525.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1535847070 274863 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535847324 918840 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535847328 267695 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1535847727 648227 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1535848189 334398 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas my condolences about the teeth. They can be real pain sometimes < 1535848189 424121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1535848337 410937 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535848376 740491 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57501&oldid=57500 => why I feel so sarcastic < 1535848618 601862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535848732 232799 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535849885 285206 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535850128 247720 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1535850630 228992 :icasdri!~icasdri@211.193.252.39 JOIN :#esoteric > 1535850778 736285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57502&oldid=57499 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-3) 10/* Underload minimization */ Golf more: aaa(!)(aa(!))(*a*:*^!*^):*^ -> aa(!)(a(!))(*a*:*^!a*^):*^ -> aa(!a)(!)a(*a*:*^!a*^):*^ -> a(!a)(!)(a*a*:*^!a*^):*^ < 1535850787 825657 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tezfwxfunribgnmt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1535850918 325687 :icasdri!~icasdri@211.193.252.39 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535851246 637613 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I golfed that more by looking at a trace of how it worked and adjusting so more a's could be done in the "shared" part. For a start, (K)_ = a(!) (K) *a*:*^!a*^ gives more sharing, then you can rearrange (!)(a(!)) to (!a)(!)a because they're contatenated, and then another pair of a's can be merged. < 1535851246 728183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1535851311 604649 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :splengi :( < 1535851444 660735 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535851658 790180 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœøœøirjan. < 1535851663 524076 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1535851663 603503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 16d 6h 4m 50s ago: polygod comes out of beta tomorrow. they say multiplayer actually works now. < 1535851663 603532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2d 10h 55m 14s ago: bood afternoily. that was certainly disturbing. < 1535851685 982561 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia QUINTHELLOPIA. oh yeah! < 1535851686 71843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1535852125 730212 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily. < 1535853099 169614 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xkuwdifgwlfcmvxe QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1535853159 480177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07D.U.C.K.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57503 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+3025) 10Created page with "'''D.U.C.K.''' (which stands for D.U.C.K.'s Name Has Been Changed, But Not Yet (suggest a better one on the talk page (the acronym must be D.U.C.K.))) is an esoteric program..." > 1535853198 902566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07D.U.C.K.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57504&oldid=57503 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (-86) 10nevermind, better idea < 1535855092 238333 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D0A2.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1535855303 285439 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C525.versanet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1535855617 325407 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535855867 322542 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535855869 465370 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HOUSE CHICKEN < 1535856082 669778 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1535856520 955158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What role playing system (other than Scientific Role Playing System) has no character definition points or levels or class or whatever and instead you can just make up nearly whatever kind of characters you like to do? < 1535859453 386619 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D0A2.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1535859453 476273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1535859520 498457 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D0A2.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1535861949 670542 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535862214 657968 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535862844 661345 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535865160 271626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535865162 400003 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535865264 406376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 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closed the connection < 1535898397 226076 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535899557 803797 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535899580 834743 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi eso < 1535899590 850261 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bootstrapping.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Semantics_Assignment_Problem do you want to see my blog post? < 1535899599 263133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1535901768 932675 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all, do you know any language that allows some objects to implement different interfaces (or, say, have different APIs) at the different moments of its lifetime? It would have the same state (modulo RTTI), but the compiler (and runtime) would disallow casting it to currently unsupported interfaces < 1535901942 696928 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be useful for building complex structures and then freezing them, without a need either to copy all the built to a new object of a different type (with a restricted API) or checking freezeness manually in its code at any attempt to mutate its state when its frozen < 1535902002 8167 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also could this approach be transparently emulated in a language such as C# somehow < 1535902204 42231 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a language with linear types, it could be easier I presume. Then we could abandon something old completely without fear it would be picked up and used by someone to poking the presumably-immutable-now data < 1535902268 702287 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this approach would be nice for more complex DFAs < 1535902300 52258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535902329 825625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535902476 670906 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe also anything on various Builder-alternatives in various langs is appreciated < 1535903017 297393 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535903679 342264 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535903943 333705 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535904131 280403 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535904382 419471 :Keanu73!~Keanu73@117.241.97.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535904406 202587 :Keanu73!~Keanu73@117.241.97.175 NICK :Guest56347 < 1535904419 551552 :Guest56347!~Keanu73@117.241.97.175 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535904433 227334 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: sure, you can do that in several OO languages. < 1535904512 279628 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: some ruby built-in classes like arrays or strings have a built-in freeze! method IIRC that just turns on a bit so if you later try to modify the contents of that container, it gives a runtime error. < 1535904582 259882 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby also lets you do all sorts of crazy runtime stuff that can break like anything if you do it carelessly, such as adding or removing or modifying methods of a class, or "adding methods to an object" (for all non-thin objects) < 1535904647 493494 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter actually works such that the first time you add a method to an object, it creates a custom class inheriting from the original class of that object, and changes the object in place so its class is this new class, except some queries will still lie that the old class is the class of that object < 1535904737 941936 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl just lets you directly change the class of any reference to any classname at runtime with the bless function, which is the primary interface to create objects that are members of classes, but normally you only use it once, soon after you create the object < 1535904744 187789 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535904766 10940 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can be useful for some optimizations, like transparently changing the class of an object to a different class that implements the same interface < 1535904809 88344 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as upgrading a class to a slower implementation on demand when necessary < 1535904841 516404 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl also lets you just add or remove or modify methods of classes at runtime < 1535904926 865883 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or create new classes at runtime, but the difficulty with that is that the reference from an object to its class is always by name, so you can't use the normal reference counting mechanism to collect classes used that way, you have to arrange the class to get destroyed in some other way if you don't want to leak it < 1535905033 694807 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk also has a primitive to swap the contents of two objects, which, if I understand correctly, is mostly used in practice to replace the low-level non-resizable array associated with the object (there's zero or one associated with every object and no other primitive way to replace it), to implement the built-in array and dictionary classes < 1535905082 249009 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that could be used to change the class of an object. < 1535905169 90284 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C++ you can construct a new object in place of an old one, and if you make sure there's enough space, they can be of different classes, but there are some arcane rules for how you're allowed and forbidden to handle references or pointers to the object through that, so it's not something you often do without wrappers. < 1535905265 720646 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that unlike perl, ruby or python2/3 doesn't just let you arbitrarily replace the class of an object by a different class, because objects of different classes can have different internal representations. < 1535905338 895978 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in ruby, with the add method to class (metaclass) mechanism, you can effectively change the class of the object to satisfy any reasonable interface. < 1535905372 54419 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Certain interfaces are restricted, eg. only certain built-in thin objects behave as false in conditionals.) < 1535905414 896896 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1535905528 563066 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In rust, you definitely can't change the type of an object, because references and pointers to it know the type. (That works like ancient pre-standard versions of C++, in which the virtual method table pointer wasn't stored with the object, but with references to it.) < 1535905568 982151 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only change the runtime behavior of an object directly by making functions operating on that object check some condition. < 1535905629 854637 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with a level of indirection, you can effectively change the object: you can have a reference that can store at runtime a reference to any type satisfying some interface. < 1535905694 219836 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern haskell also lets you do that with indirection, it lets you have a cell that stores a reference to any type of object that satisfies some interface. < 1535905748 864757 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "modern" is an overstatement, I think that was already possible a decade ago. < 1535905778 611628 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Is that a good enough answer? I don't know enoguh about golang. < 1535905778 709870 :ep100!~max@197.89.245.197 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1535905825 356558 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know golang has interfaces and types, but I don't know how they work. I also don't know enough about JVM or java, but I think some people here might. < 1535905883 475411 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ruby also lets you do all sorts of crazy runtime stuff that can break like anything if you do it carelessly => yeah, that’s why I’ve got over a book on it a while ago. Python is saner < 1535905936 905383 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you must hate perl too then, it's similar < 1535905970 272270 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which python? python 2/3 or python 1 already? < 1535906019 342337 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O (Ruby, Perl, Smalltalk, C++ seems like an ominous sequence of language examples) < 1535906171 907687 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, arseniiv is young, you might not have even met python 1. good. < 1535906182 729420 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Is that a good enough answer? => IDK but it’s very comprehensive nonetheless; also it’s definitely useful on inderections < 1535906200 160995 :boser7!~boser@190.73.61.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535906231 990872 :boser7!~boser@190.73.61.112 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535906306 268946 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC in Haskell it would be something like x :: (… a) => a, but it’s immutable though. And if Haskell had linear types, it would be useful in this context lot indeed < 1535906337 258095 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript/ecmascript would be a reasonable language to ask this about too, and you have to ask others in this channel for that too < 1535906376 337976 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: which python? python 2/3 or python 1 already? => 2/3 with the weight on 3 :D I could only imagine what a thing should Python 1 had been < 1535906414 699683 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think HQ9++ doesn't let you change the class of existing objects, despite that it lets you create new classes at runtime. < 1535906429 330960 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rofl) < 1535906467 507797 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are OO versions of Intercal, with classes and lessons, but I don't know how they work < 1535906628 987126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In JavaScript you can use Object.setPrototypeOf() to change the prototype of an object (any properties (methods are also properties) of an objects that you access but aren't on that object itself are looked in the prototype; if not there, in the prototype's prototype, etc) < 1535906665 13258 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so it has the power of reblessing like perl. ok. < 1535906940 865258 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall who other than ais523 and zzo38 are familiar with OO intercal, and I don't recall who other than ais is familiar with JVM, but I think for the latter there was someone else in the channel. I don't know if anyone in the channel is familar with golang. < 1535907066 862162 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535907088 656852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535907142 417545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1535907142 468664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 15h 31m 36s ago: I golfed that more by looking at a trace of how it worked and adjusting so more a's could be done in the "shared" part. For a start, (K)_ = a(!) (K) *a*:*^!a*^ gives < 1535907142 569452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :more sharing, then you can rearrange (!)(a(!)) to (!a)(!)a because they're contatenated, and then another pair of a's can be merged. < 1535907197 281486 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi ais523 < 1535907204 121625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1535907212 505150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in a better mood to tell me what's wrong with DBI yet? < 1535907217 729557 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv was just asking about some OO stuff so I ranted at him about some OO languages < 1535907275 844545 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jzoaeqccxzbkbmun QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535907275 891086 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-txzancckbfweuqsy QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535907282 355977 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: firstly, I don't think I want an abstraction for every SQL DB out there, at least not as the most popular interface. usually I just want a perl interface that wraps the interface of one DB. < 1535907289 304586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :object oriented INTERCAL probably does silly things if you try to do "normal" OO programming with it < 1535907294 286460 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535907305 744648 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-etbfyxdgktmspled JOIN :#esoteric < 1535907308 426496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Claudio Calvelli is known for leaving minefields in his INTERCAL extensions that subtly screw up attempts to translate more normal code < 1535907332 979792 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: secondly, bad default settings, the most annoying being the auto-reconnect being on, which has a huge potential to cause hard to debug bugs that appear rarely unless you override it. < 1535907340 686980 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wgetguyphsjseuze JOIN :#esoteric < 1535907362 338934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that does sound bad < 1535907372 654621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily my current plan is to read through all the settings and set the ones that could matter explicitly < 1535907390 305807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, an auto-reconnect feature may be just what I need at work at the moment…) < 1535907394 426741 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it's possible that auto-reconnect is the one bad thing that won't hurt as much with sqlite as with some other database connecting through the network < 1535907428 725914 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most databases have a sane interface in C that you can just easily wrap in perl to an interface that looks similar. < 1535907437 102478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having the interface for just one DB is good because different SQL implementations have different functions. < 1535907457 699495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SQL would benefit from being standardised < 1535907486 266619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, the dynamic typing is my least favourite thing about SQLite, and I'm not 100% convinced that it works the same as static typing for the same programs, like they claim it does) < 1535907555 776044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL is standardised, although most implementations do not implement the entire standard and also add their own stuff too < 1535907559 542981 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's an understatement. string concatenation being done two or three different ways in SQL databases is horrible. < 1535907570 628249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a standard but I wouldn't call it standardised < 1535907804 185722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a modified version of SQLite if you have to < 1535907855 106562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind-of assume that database engines "should be" statically typed as it would help them make optimisations < 1535907856 592944 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "+" operator does string catenation in MS SQL but not in SQLite. The "||" operator does string concatenation in SQLite and PostGre but doesn't exist in MS SQL and does logical ior in MySQL. < 1535907896 107184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this actually came up in a hypothetical query a while back, I was wondering if SQLite could optimise it and the answer was "no, because it doesn't know that booleans are necessarily either true or false, so you have to put an IN (TRUE, FALSE) condition on the query explicitly" < 1535907940 120621 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: schmorp said he doesn't use sqlite because of its dynamic typing, and says it's bad because it would take up too much storage overhead in some of the large databases he uses. < 1535907967 392614 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535907974 658970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it inherently seems hard to optimise < 1535908020 372632 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I accept that it's not a database engine you want to use for all your databases, but I still like SQLite, and there are applications when the dynamic typing with all its overhead doesn't matter much. < 1535908035 57300 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applications when that overhead isn't a bottleneck. < 1535908101 664383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are applications where dynamic typing is helpful for some data, too < 1535908135 613051 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And schmorp is the guy who sometimes does crazy stuff to optimize something in pure perl when all the dynamic allocation and dynamic typing and stuff like that slows things down in perl, while at the same time he also knows the perl-C "interface" better than almost any programmer, and can write decent C code that would be at least as optimized just < 1535908135 687143 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fine. < 1535908164 32643 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even rubbed a bit on me, I tried some perl optimizations, though of course they're nowhere nearly as crazy as his. < 1535908229 498804 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think he underestimates the amount he could do the same sort of crazy optimizations when using sqlite, but whatever. < 1535908258 913368 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he really needs to handle such large databases and it's not worth for him to learn sqlite. < 1535908285 363454 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535908292 866498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are other database systems and SQLite is not for everything. But SQLite is good for many things, I think. < 1535908440 738759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think SQLite has plenty of potential for such optimisations but they'd probably go against its goals somewhat < 1535908609 921375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What role playing system (other than Scientific Role Playing System) has no character definition points or levels or class or whatever and instead you can just make up nearly whatever kind of characters you like to do? ← the simplest role playing system I know is Roll to Dodge, although most players don't take it very seriously < 1535908625 826995 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. you use the tool for what it's good for, and work it around when it doesn't work well. just like I like to do with every software. < 1535908665 103768 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should try to install gimp 2.10.6 or something.) < 1535908676 282395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, whenever you try to take an action, you roll a 6-sided dice, on a 5 it works perfectly, on a 4 it mostly works, on a 3 it partially works, on a 2 it doesn't work at all, on a 1 it does the opposite of what it was meant to, and on a 6 it works too well and produces an undesirable result despite technically doing what you said < 1535908685 463661 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you answer arseniiv's original question for JVM? < 1535908707 225033 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something about objects and them changing what interface they satisfy. arseniiv, what is the question? < 1535908714 455316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this system has huge balance issues as written because it doesn't take the difficulty of the action into account, but if you rule that "works perfectly" is still not good enough in the case of actions that should be impossible, it may be workabl < 1535908714 703685 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question before I morphed it that is < 1535908715 476857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*workable < 1535908723 34316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I missed the question < 1535908739 780709 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, who on this channel other than you knows JVM? < 1535908741 374524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, from your vague description, I suspect the answer is no for Java and yes for Perl, as it would be for any question that's approximately like that < 1535908755 419884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; there are probably others but we don't discuss Java much here < 1535908758 279977 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but how about JVM? < 1535908783 995988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes; I know that is no good; Scientific Role Playing System does have to do it with taking difficulty into account and so on, much more complicated than that, and more scientific. < 1535908796 373309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the JVM the classes and interfaces extended and implemented by any given object are fixed when it's created, and there's no way to subsequently change that using in-language and in-JVM APIs < 1535908832 33694 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and you can't replace objects in place, right? < 1535908839 136556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's some sort of live update API that can change the definition of a class at runtime but I don't know how it works, and it may a) be proprietary or b) not exist yet < 1535908843 351380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: indeed < 1535908849 31932 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1535908870 782792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory you could attach a debugger to yourself, walk the heap to find all the inbound references to the object, and edit them all in place < 1535908876 179959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be massively inefficient and pretty scary < 1535908886 925709 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've heard of people trying that in perl < 1535908888 441117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know this subject pretty well as it'd be really useful for my day job if it were possible) < 1535908896 3121 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without the debugger part) < 1535908903 974914 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with the goal of debuggign < 1535908911 471235 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, finding where an object is referenced from < 1535908918 222389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in Perl you can do things like casually replacing the main loop of the interpreter if you want to < 1535908921 647130 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they walk the heap to find a name (or another name) for an object < 1535908924 567037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the program is running! < 1535908945 365178 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535908959 558196 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess I should also mention lua < 1535908978 637689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi all, do you know any language that allows some objects to implement different interfaces (or, say, have different APIs) at the different moments of its lifetime? It would have the same state (modulo RTTI), but the compiler (and runtime) would disallow casting it to currently unsupported interfaces < 1535908980 13024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1535909038 482932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, Perl has low-level operations that can accomplish that, although the operations in question don't have the sort of safety checks you were looking for < 1535909047 316223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably implement them using higher-level operations < 1535909122 976299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is interesting in this respect as it always does run-time polymorphism via wrapper objects, and so you could create a new wrapper object to implement another interface if you wanted to, the object itself wouldn't know what interfaces it was meant to be implementing < 1535909181 660083 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua also lets you rebless (change the class) an object at runtime arbitrarily, at least as much as you can have them have a class in first place (objects of some types like numbers and strings and light userdata have a fixed class depending on their low-level type; and full userdata can only be created or reblessed from the C API, not the normal lu < 1535909181 750127 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function that lets you bless or rebless a table), < 1535909187 282921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, JavaScript is another language where you can do this sort of thing, due to prototype-based inheritance (each object effectively acts as its own class so you can just start putting methods on it at runtime), although JavaScript doesn't have the concept of typed interfaces < 1535909216 167409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same general idea would work in Feather if it existed < 1535909254 447103 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just one limitation, namely that if you change certain attributes of an object that affect the garbage collector (namely the finalizer and the weak key and weak value bits) either by reblessing or changing a class, then that might not immediately take effect. < 1535909266 987306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: also, HQ9++ doesn't let you create new classes at runtime < 1535909278 783128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ++ instruction is the equivalent of Java's «a += 2; new Object();» < 1535909304 361023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the objects in question are garbage collected immediately as you can't actually do anything with them < 1535909307 220908 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: zzo38 already mentioned javascript and said the same, namely that it has a function for reblessing an object by changing its prototype to any object at runtime < 1535909356 370852 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no way. the docs for HQ9++ say "increments the accumulator twice, and also instantiates an object of a new subclass of the generic superclass" < 1535909367 139645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, new subclass < 1535909379 112342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how incredibly dynamic of it < 1535909398 306394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even implement that in Java without actually generating the bytecode for the new class at runtime :-D < 1535909410 374638 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but you can implement it in ruby < 1535909414 285877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use Proxy < 1535909417 830604 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in lua < 1535909433 18069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd probably reuse the classes it generated unless you tried hard not to < 1535909466 53440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«a += 2; new Object() {};» is close to what HQ9++ is doing, except that Java will reuse the same anonymous class each time < 1535909557 361924 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in javascript < 1535909748 325232 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :have anyone heard of posits (a number format akin to floating point), WDYT? < 1535909763 137342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of it < 1535909791 920263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1535910056 848179 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv, what is the question? => actually I’m more interesting in sensible (less entities, less code) builder pattern replacements and in emulation of those former “interface-changes” in a lang that doesn’t support class changing, and in statical correctness overall < 1535910104 167066 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: um, I don't relaly understand that... < 1535910109 787882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Moose library, which is a Perl OO library that's less low-level than its built-in OO primitives, has some sort of reblessing built in as an official thing that's supported < 1535910129 62121 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain ceased to listen to "sensible builder pattern replacements" < 1535910198 275316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: my current idea for what a sensible builder pattern looks like is to have typed partially constructed objects < 1535910218 759758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they start off with some of the fields as write-only and they can gradually be changed to read-only as the object gets more defined < 1535910225 699563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the type reflects which fields are readable at the moment < 1535910283 750384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is something that's mindboggingly hard to do in most languages and yet would make builder-pattern code much cleaner (also things like StringBuilder, which I think isn't the builder pattern despite its name?) < 1535910436 312393 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice < 1535910461 147874 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah StringBuilder doesn’t seem to be a builder in the concrete sense < 1535910486 628661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that in most languages there are ways to get at partially constructed objects /anyway/, so may as well have sensible semantics for them < 1535910502 105014 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that builder pattern. not the other one. I have used that. < 1535910531 358743 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ais's idealized one, the plain builder pattern with an attributes object and a handle object and an open function that takes an attribute object and constructs a handle object < 1535910543 776671 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I created such an interface < 1535910564 868265 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I’d squash all that fine type information to one flag (writable/frozen?) maybe, as it seems too much complexity. If I’d build a compiler, that is :D < 1535910571 268261 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in that case, the attribute object is just a plain struct with all fields having a default value. < 1535910583 836064 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like twenty fields. < 1535910602 17570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: well the idea is to prevent fields being read before they've been written < 1535910608 906258 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: if you just want one frozen flag, I already mentioned ruby has that < 1535910643 991148 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: isn’t it too much repetition? The same fields in the struct and the result < 1535910680 173431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In JavaScript you can create objects that have any prototype, although they will not necessarily work, for example Object.create(Int16Array.prototype) creates an object, but if you try to access the "length" property of the created object it throws an error. < 1535910687 16712 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the idea is to prevent fields being read before they've been written => ah, in this generality I agree it’s a useful thing < 1535910712 358047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, you can probably do something like this in OCaml < 1535910735 414154 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many languages have other special tricks to support building arrays with an appendable array that is then converted to a fixed size array. < 1535910782 515841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in OCaml it's more idiomatic to make a changed copy of an object than to mutate the original, and I don't think you can do this while mutating the original < 1535910793 64164 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python2/3 has appendable arrays called "list" and frozen arrays called "tuple" and a function "tuple" to cast that I think optimizes the case when the refcounter knows there's no other reference or something < 1535910826 122309 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust has a trick for this with Vec and Box<[T]> < 1535910830 153139 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: if you just want one frozen flag, I already mentioned ruby has that => but it’s for intrinsic classes, no? And I could use an actual flag in my class, but it’s cumbersome to check it in any method which can mutate state; copying state is cumbersome too, and an immutable adapter is slightly cumbersome too, as one could possibly mutate its adaptee (no linear types!) < 1535910892 319840 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people want to add the rust trick to C++ by adding a release method to the interface of std::vector so you can build a std::unique_ptr from it < 1535910893 553677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: is Vec appendable? < 1535910952 589077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it must be, because [T] is the nonappendable version < 1535910957 409166 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, Vec is like C++ std::vector, appendable on the right, tracking the size and capacity separately, automatically growing in like powers of two (the exact pattern of growth is not guaranteed), you can pre-allocate to capacity if you know in advance or shrink later < 1535910999 230860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the programming projects in C I start on end up stalling because I get sidetracked by trying to figure out the best way to do appendable arrays :-D < 1535911051 377987 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but unlike in C++, there's some strong guarantees on how Vec actually works, which fix everything except for the growth pattern and the actual memory representation of the Vec header, so you can deconstruct a Vec to a triplet of a pointer to the first element, size and capacity, and rebuild Vec from that, < 1535911094 723417 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a method that converts a Vec to a Box<[]> that is in place if the capacity is equal to the size (otherwise it has to shrink first) < 1535911129 536611 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Vec is the officially supported way to build a Box<[]> incrementally < 1535911130 424409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm curious as to whether Rust uses a memory allocator that has guaranteed shrink-in-place < 1535911183 787416 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you try to reinvented building a Box<[]> incrementally, you'll likely reinvent Vec, because during building you need to track how many members are initialized so you can deconstruct them if an exception is thrown < 1535911205 992435 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it guarantees shrink-in-place < 1535911247 48225 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact I think guaranteeing that would be bad, because it would make it hard to optimize handling small arrays in the allocator < 1535911251 503675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1535911274 443269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrink-in-place is one of those things that sounds trivial, but ends up interfering with a number of optimisations < 1535911279 567501 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and small arrays are a common enoguh case in many programs that it's worth to optimize < 1535911322 691719 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even more of a problem for rust than with C malloc, because it has sized deallocate < 1535911359 18337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite documentation mentions using SQLite for internal data. Free Hero Mesh uses SQLite for some of its internal data (although not all), as well as for the user cache file, and also to allow the user to use SQL codes to extend the user interface at runtime. < 1535911361 82609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the deallocator has to be given the size explicitly, rather than tracking it internally? < 1535911362 324874 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: (if you’ve used Rust enough) how is Rust’s borrowing in practice? Is it hard to learn to not violate? I’m going to poke at Rust in the future < 1535911388 171190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that, there seem to be two optimal ways to use an allocation system and that's one of them < 1535911399 163680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other is to have the allocation system track the lengths of everything and provide an API to get at them) < 1535911418 660313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SQLite documentation does not mention using SQLite in this last way.) < 1535911436 526652 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, exactly < 1535911466 127022 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that works because currently every rust object knows its length, though recently they've added abstract objects that don't, but the allocator isn't geared for that < 1535911499 786800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think an abstract object would be responsible for deallocating itself, because there's no obvious reason why it would be using the same allocator as the rest of the code < 1535911555 20681 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I haven't used rust enough, but I really like rust's borrowing, it matches well with my style, and you can break the abstraction and manage pointers explicitly when it gets in the way, though you have to learn rust's rules for what's allowed and they're different from C's and C++'s rules < 1535911589 305906 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535911653 651951 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, or more like, whoever owns the object is responsible for deallocating the object, so a pointer/reference to an object could point to something that was allocated in the box or on the stack or in a global static in the data segment or any other way, just like with a C or C++ pointer or reference < 1535911687 336468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535911692 591926 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that's not the part that differs from an abstract object to a sized or dynamically sized object < 1535911748 197377 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the part that differs is that you can't move or copy an abstract object, at least not directly, because rust doesn't know its size at runtime and it's not even guaranteed that moving or copying wouldn't violate some abstraction < 1535911770 642736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1535911774 312837 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think they're not called abstract objects, I'm just stupid < 1535911783 525733 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opaque is a better name, but I'm not sure what the rust name is < 1535911792 391795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind-of like Lua light userdata, which it can't do anything with because it's just a pointer and it doesn't know any details about what it's pointing to < 1535911795 281576 :XorSwap_!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535911804 242584 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535911810 571044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you can do is pass it to user-defined functions which might know what sort of thing it's pointing to < 1535911879 110427 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditionally rust had only Sized objects, whose size is known at compile time, and unsized object, whose size is known at runtime, and they can be an array or str or a trait object or an object with one of those as their trailing field (but this fourth one is barely supported) < 1535911886 419282 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/array/slice/ < 1535911926 608018 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but this is a compile-time thing the typechecker and all sorts of language semantics have to know about, which is why it's hard to introduce when so much of rust was built on the assumption that such objects don't exist < 1535911947 280449 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535911968 147118 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's hard to make sure that they can exist and that most of the operations that make sense on them still work but you can't do anything on them that doesn't make sense and not much backwards compatibility is broken < 1535912029 198171 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was only a runtime dynamic-only thing, then it wouldn't be hard to support, in fact rust already supports them through a pointer to the start of the object and pointer arithmetic and pointer casting < 1535912070 902016 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we want them really integrated to the language, not just a hack like when you pass a char* to memcpy < 1535912090 967067 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust already allows the char* thing < 1535912205 609640 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently they're settling on some solution, and not just the opaque object stuff, but some useful library types to wrap them, only I don't really understand how they work. < 1535912318 196617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite also has string building functions in the C interface, in case you need that. < 1535912340 837505 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so do some other C libraries < 1535912372 496739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably there are some. There are probably also other C libraries with functions like SQLite's sqlite3_mprintf() function < 1535912518 818183 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about typing for partially initialized types. Let T{s} be a type of values of a “flat” type T having initialization state s, T{s} would make up a lattice by <:, if we take values of s democratically: T{all} <: T{some partial state or more} <: T{none or more} < 1535912519 20847 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :then let T be a class and its constructor returns T{none or more}, and we can’t feed this somewhere T{all} is needed, horay. Also in a simple code there seems no need to designate anything but T{all} and T{none…}, so they could be called as simple as T and T^ for example < 1535912644 492580 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simplistic approach ^ < 1535912800 518112 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rust can sort of track at compile time which individual fields (recursively) of a structure or tuple are initialized (and also which ones are borrowed and which are borrowed exclusively), but it only really works within a function body, you can't define a function that takes or returns a partially constructed object with the partial constru < 1535912800 625422 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ction state known at compile time. < 1535912931 964951 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use an Option to track optional construction of a field at runtime with a flag, or you can tell rust that you're tracking whether a field is constructed in some way you can't prove to it and it should trust you. < 1535912963 322562 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what you're saying about partly constructed objects is interesting, and I wonder if it's possible to make something like that work < 1535912990 608970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the sort of thing you spend a year implementing as a research programmer, and then it never catches on :-D < 1535913005 434942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost certainly possible to make it work, but it might not be worth the effort < 1535913022 103914 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but rust is such a useful platform to advertise such a project, if you can make it compatible with rust < 1535913053 74710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about this more for languages that are more heavily OO than Rust < 1535913056 251066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work with Rust too though < 1535913063 251689 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you implement it in the rust compiler, and the semantics are sane and useful and it's backwards compatible, then it'll likely catch on < 1535913075 627996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike what you describe for Roll to Dodge, in Scientific Role Playing System it is possible for different characters to be different amount of good at different skills (and even certain cases of skills; there are no limits as to what cases you can define them to be). < 1535913088 838775 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to track a moving rust as a target, during that one year parts you are touching can change < 1535913104 575345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I listed the restrictions for defining a character at: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/scirps.ui/wiki?name=Notes/Pointless < 1535913137 255132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1535913338 81991 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that reminds me of the more serious "who can name the biggest number" contests < 1535913432 151612 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also if more than one player defines a character this way independetly, I'm not sure how you guarantee that you can't get a logical inconsistency from them meeting, or how you would mediate such a logical inconsistency < 1535913435 6504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose that is related, although it isn't really the same purpose. It isn't a contest to "win" at character definition. < 1535913446 881801 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there could be an “assertive” setting: we have a struct/class C, some fileds in there are of optional type and marked with something (or it’s a special marked optional type, hm) (these are mutable and initially initialized to Nothing), and make this class inherit a mixin IBuilding. Then the compiler adds another class with a name, say, C.Built, and adds to C an automatically implemented method returning C.Built and throwi < 1535913447 26318 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng an exception if not all marked optional fields are non-Nothing. One runtime check and much joy < 1535913468 80243 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like, if one character has a pistol whose bullet can break anyone's skull, and another character has a skull that is impervious to bullets < 1535913482 866186 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you know, the cannonball and the wall) < 1535913488 329946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The first two restrictions are made to avoid such case. < 1535913494 986407 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing I don’t like here is a naming convention, it better be C.Unbuilt and C and not C and C.Built < 1535913527 128367 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second auto-generated class would have non-optionals instead of marked optionals < 1535913559 73917 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a skull that can't be broken by bullets doesn't make your character invincible (it can still have its skull broken by a club, or his heart broken by a bullet), < 1535913610 746631 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bullet that breaks any skull doesn't make the attack invincible (the target might not have a skull, or might be able to regenerate from a broken skull, or might have more than one brain and survive one getting destroyed, etc) < 1535913626 415064 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't see how those first two restrictions are strong enough < 1535913666 151179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably there would be rules for that, such as you would roll the dice in the case (GURPS does something like that with Cosmic modifiers; if both the attack and the defense have them, then just use normal non-cosmic rules). < 1535913684 750392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can make suggestions how to make it better if you think to change it. < 1535913709 823337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1535913744 84254 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. I have no idea how to make good role-playing systems, especially not ones that give you so much freedom. < 1535913969 836685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535914211 467021 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: description seems nice! But I’m not competent enough in RPG systems too < 1535915388 482700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up a rule for random durations. For effects with a minimum and maximum and is some number of dice, do not roll the dice until after the minimum duration has passed (e.g. if it is 2d+5 hours, then do not roll the dice until after 7 hours). If you have a deck of cards, you may also use cards for this purpose, which defer knowing the duration even later. < 1535915416 326844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For effects without a minimum and maximum duration, you may determine the effect's "half life" and then periodically roll the dice to see if it is expired yet or not. < 1535915821 846717 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can roll once dice after 7 hours, then the second dice x-1 hours after that if x is the result of the first dice roll; or you can make it even more precise by rolling whether the duration has ended at every hour (or in general every possible moment when the duration could end) < 1535915846 957354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, you can do that < 1535915958 795404 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general, each rule itself should specify which player gets what exact information at what moment, and there's a large spectrum there < 1535916038 821333 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1535916316 316199 :mal3!~mal@190-207-215-94.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535916595 87945 :mal3!~mal@190-207-215-94.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535916901 402913 :Typhon26!~Typhon@203.227.138.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535917048 844756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I had a dream in which Burlew accidentally released a whole buncha olists at once. < 1535917064 107189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had 50 comics in his backlog or something. And you claimed it didn't even exist! < 1535917115 141594 :Typhon26!~Typhon@203.227.138.75 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535917304 727173 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I had a dream when someone else built a sort of time machine, a computer and program that simulates enough of the universe and the Giant's and Knuth's mind to compute the contents of the rest of the OoTS strips and TAOCP books, or at least a sample of it from the universe conditioned on the publically known information, re-ran until it got < 1535917304 816405 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a sample with the post-condition that they get completed in a satisfying way before the author is unable or unwilling to continue. < 1535917401 66080 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And then that sample was printed and bound in a book the real one would look like, except with a preface telling that it's not the real thing but computed from such a simulation, and these were sent to the Giant and Knuth to aid them in their completing the book; < 1535917460 304031 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that this sending the book to the author itself was simulated and they took the book the author would produce then, a few dozen iterations deep, in the hope that it would converge to something better, and then that result was sent to the authors in the real world. < 1535917608 553407 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kgyyrpmjlwasjwal QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1535917697 662402 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: This is computationally much harder in Knuth's case, because TAOCP will be full of references to future research, so the computer has to simulate a lot of that too, whereas the Giant could basically be locked in a basement with no communication with the outside world for thirty years and finish OoTS just fine; < 1535917781 591994 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is much more useful in the case of Knuth, to work around the difficulty that he is 80 years old and his health might deteriorate too fast for him to finish TAOCP (receiving a news of Knuth's death is one of my worst nightmares, it sounds worse than a world war because civilization can be rebuilt faster than Knuth can be reborn). < 1535917807 182093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once got some volumes of TAOCP from inter library loans, although I do want to own copies of all of them < 1535918039 417020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: So until just now I was sure that "giant in the playground" was a reference to an old children's story. < 1535918052 605789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I looked it up and apparently it's not related! < 1535918114 718713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, the story's name in English is "The Selfish Giant", not "The Giant and His Garden" like in Hebrew. < 1535918118 529611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's by Oscar Wilde. < 1535918131 458567 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I bought the e-book versions of volumes 1,2,3,4A now. I will buy volumes 4B,...,5 as each of them is published, and then the new edition of volumes 1,2,3 too. < 1535918172 414395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the printed book both the version with MIX and with MMIX. < 1535918284 347634 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for books 1,2,3, you can buy the MIX versions now and keep them if you want that. For books 4A...5, those will never exist. < 1535918302 123367 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this ties into `quote Knuth ) < 1535918378 265994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1535918472 994363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: whoa whoa whoa < 1535918476 745837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, never mind. < 1535918507 151994 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I recommend that you buy the third, third and second editions of volumes 1, 2, 3 resp, rather than the editions before that. < 1535918591 869731 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the e-book version might be better than the printed version in that it has the existing Knuth-approved errata merged. < 1535918638 621725 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, up to some point that might be more up to date than the print versions < 1535918667 611580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote in the errata for Computers and Typesetting by myself by pencil, after finding what to write by computer. < 1535918693 565173 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see < 1535918757 205530 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which volumes of Computers and Typesetting are those? < 1535919225 266374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the full millennium set < 1535919428 696453 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kilvyqqbzzaepytc JOIN :#esoteric < 1535919476 413937 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice. How much of TAOCP do you have? < 1535919514 759790 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you have Concrete Mathematics? I haven't bought any of Computers and Typesetting, and I only have the translation of Concrete Mathematics. < 1535919530 796335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None; I only temporarily borrowed some volumes of TAOCP from library (they didn't have all of them). < 1535919542 901573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have Concrete Mathematics either. < 1535919594 948097 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the original copy of my errata http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/errata/concrete_errata on a sheet of paper with pen inserted in my Concrete Mathematics volume, and a few of the more distracting errors marked in pencil in situ, but I believe that almost all of those errors are only in the translation, not the original. < 1535921522 796456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there compression format that can use arbitrary compression algorithms like ZPAQ can do but that is not also the archive format? (For archive format you can use other formats such as a tape archive or Hamster archive.) < 1535921590 105957 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1535923165 422950 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535923207 83519 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what book in the world is the Knuthesquest one? < 1535923414 341371 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Possiblyi it's always the last completed one, so currently TAOCP vol 4A, and eventually it will be the ultimate edition of vol 3. < 1535923562 433964 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: But it's possible that it's the ones that are final and will not change that are the Knuthesquest, which are currently probably vol 5 of Computers and Typesetting and the Stanford Graphbase and the MMIXware source code. < 1535923580 382962 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unclear about the exact statements to which each of these are frozen. < 1535924402 301621 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Knuthesque book is not always by Knuth himself, can there exist someone Knuther at least at some short intervals of time? < 1535924413 89670 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and write an article < 1535924555 320471 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the definition of MMIX was frozen long ago, but I don't know how much the MMIXware source code itself is. "https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/abcde.html" says that the TeX and METAFONT source code shall be frozen and "correct by definition" when Knuth dies, but it's possible that they are already in the final state except for the ve < 1535924555 408029 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsion number. < 1535924628 24672 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says that at that time "their version numbers ultimately become $\pi$ and $e$, respectively" but I'm not sure what that implies for the startup message of tex and mf which show the version number. < 1535924713 648757 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the ultimate version after Knuth's death have to display all decimal digits of pi and e at startup? All until it's interrupted so from that point on you need an interrupt or some nonstandard mechanism to avoid an infinite loop every time you start tex or metafont, even before it starts reading its input file? < 1535924715 976769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As var as I can tell it displays "$\pi$" and "$e$", from the change files I have seen < 1535924728 524687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than in decimal < 1535924729 250469 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1535924811 815664 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the version number have any other effect on TeX and metafont core, like a builtin parameter/macro that tells the version number? < 1535924828 164924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there aren't any such things. < 1535924856 309759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX files are meant to continue to be compatible even if the file is very strange. < 1535924904 687522 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1535924934 683044 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only change will be the startup message and possibly some other mentions of the version number in Computers and Typesetting < 1535924958 354669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if Computers and Typesetting is even updated after that. < 1535925005 68964 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if he's made patch files for the source code, he might also have patch files for the TeX source code of Computers and Typesetting that he's given to the publisher < 1535925031 852650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe < 1535925047 362088 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps rather to someone else he trusts, because publisher are dumb < 1535925151 901229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, possibly < 1535925764 153769 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible that some of Knuth's less significant books are the final version. < 1535926203 849233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1535926526 330893 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1535927574 252660 :justyns!~justyns@ip72-204-125-68.fv.ks.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535927577 860929 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1535927796 840197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535927858 522780 :justyns!~justyns@ip72-204-125-68.fv.ks.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535927907 299730 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535927945 231990 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535928511 668353 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait. Above I said "Possiblyi it's always the last completed one, so currently TAOCP vol 4A" but that's wrong, the most recently published work by Knuth is currently Fantasia Apocalyptica, with the first stable version officially released on his 80th birthday, definitely after TAOCP vol 4A. < 1535928525 208972 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's another candidate for the Knuthiest < 1535928549 959721 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ^ < 1535928596 749327 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as a book? Knuth has published the sheet music, and if you printed all of it, it would form a book. < 1535929018 834866 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1535929122 343966 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, a music? interesting < 1535929146 253442 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, Knuth's first nontrivial original music composition < 1535929146 640132 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(organ music probably?) < 1535929153 905365 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, organ music < 1535929165 86976 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :nontrivial… now I’m curious < 1535929175 412966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess too is organ music < 1535929203 61637 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1535929222 303508 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535929248 871108 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535929277 790361 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv, zzo38: see my short summary at the top of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sheet_music_for_Fantasia_Apocalyptica if you want to know what Fantasia Apocaliptica is; it links to Knuth's webpage about it, which is longer < 1535929297 554450 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that has a typo. < 1535929989 298820 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ~80 minutes < 1535929998 723058 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed seems Knuthesque < 1535930016 738302 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll maybe take a hear at it tomorrow < 1535930036 701350 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535930065 756054 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t listen to organ music usually, but it should be assessed < 1535930092 584112 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: thank you as always < 1535930148 125702 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535930344 652960 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535931022 296491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they have ID3, although SoX just displays a warning message about it and ignores it (the music still plays, though). For chapter 1, instead it mentions a chunk with a strange name and 4239522857 bytes long. < 1535931687 278204 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1535932008 370124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Blacksilver 5* 10New user account < 1535932259 278126 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1535932281 255393 :mynery!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1535932285 940493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57508&oldid=57506 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+262) 10Hi, I'm Blacksilver! < 1535932348 582755 :Blacksilver!ae8ad0b8@gateway/web/freenode/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1535932388 202953 :Blacksilver!ae8ad0b8@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :o7 < 1535932459 774264 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1535932459 874043 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1535932466 261121 :Blacksilver!ae8ad0b8@gateway/web/freenode/session QUIT :Changing host < 1535932466 261180 :Blacksilver!ae8ad0b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.138.208.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535932767 891036 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Blacksilver < 1535932769 61526 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacksilver: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1535932941 274261 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535932982 411806 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-etbfyxdgktmspled QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535932982 713841 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wgetguyphsjseuze QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1535932995 368944 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-svugxxdecqhjbuyc JOIN :#esoteric < 1535932996 379532 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-goieoniqdsbgmciq JOIN :#esoteric < 1535933066 128865 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-svugxxdecqhjbuyc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535933066 256489 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-goieoniqdsbgmciq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1535933130 572931 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Esoteric File Archive14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57509&oldid=42081 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+87) 10I made a mirror! Table to hold it and any future mirrors. < 1535933194 222267 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535933296 530045 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fokflwrwzcnhkopw JOIN :#esoteric > 1535933315 403788 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Blacksilver14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57510 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+83) 10Does the IRC hook ignore User pages? < 1535933322 269508 :Blacksilver!ae8ad0b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.138.208.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it does < 1535933509 83926 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqdzblncyoomespr JOIN :#esoteric < 1535933596 709882 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zojazydantmrlcie JOIN :#esoteric < 1535933874 486767 :Blacksilver!ae8ad0b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.138.208.184 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1535933893 232285 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535934181 628276 :wob_jonas!b03f1946@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.70 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1535934368 675265 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacksilver: I’m quite new here and I haven’t used that archive so I can’t properly appreciate what you did, but as the channel is still right now, someone should say probably this is great! < 1535934446 341064 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-minute virtualhost setup on an existing Apache VM. It's nothing. < 1535934490 150172 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we can get the esofiles stored in one of those nuke-hardened bunkers in Switzerland... < 1535934518 538217 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Companies use them as data vaults. < 1535934699 79036 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More related: I'm trying to do code golf in EXAPUNKS. < 1535934727 891007 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that qualifies as Esoteric. < 1535935695 630751 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"esopunks" < 1535935905 965808 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1535937878 300558 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1535938328 244241 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1535939154 937855 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535939951 790509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that in SQLite, the xBegin method is not called (even though a transaction has started) if a CREATE VIRTUAL TABLE statement is executed. If you are connecting to an existing virtual table then xBegin is called when a transaction with that virtual table is started. < 1535942356 137607 :XorSwap_!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1535945485 657006 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqdzblncyoomespr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1535945515 516138 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535947321 414951 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1535947804 278083 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535948111 948035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make a phonetic writing that is not limited to human physiology and maybe not even limited to a possible kind? < 1535951087 345234 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535951208 931730 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kilvyqqbzzaepytc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1535951963 850445 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535952252 709274 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1535954168 256446 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535955516 895872 :mynery!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PART :#esoteric < 1535955549 730772 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1535955865 280569 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535956153 272534 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1535958411 366757 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535958690 430605 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535958752 275749 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1535959250 742328 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535959380 277826 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535960010 754803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535962253 372005 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1535963766 483202 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zojazydantmrlcie QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535963766 621840 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fokflwrwzcnhkopw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535963780 406064 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-anwdpbtujkoimwgi JOIN :#esoteric < 1535963809 820410 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rcoidhemutxirftc JOIN :#esoteric < 1535964195 868567 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535964274 632799 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rcoidhemutxirftc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535964274 779078 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-anwdpbtujkoimwgi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535964274 835785 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1535964287 440363 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-trgniwbqvscsadvz JOIN :#esoteric < 1535964288 334362 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xbmfxnvsganidkjr JOIN :#esoteric < 1535964332 699309 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xbmfxnvsganidkjr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535964467 515898 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-trgniwbqvscsadvz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535964588 49107 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tfafzwpntqramfwq JOIN :#esoteric < 1535964888 314249 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mltwarkkbdgnhbsc JOIN :#esoteric < 1535966451 137348 :vans12!~vans@91.243.207.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535966492 18083 :vans12!~vans@91.243.207.211 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535972497 703835 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535973259 473633 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I no longer even constantly feel a nagging sensation that there's a wound in my mouth, but there's still a wound, so now I want to eat meals and want to chew it on both sides, but have to constantly spend conscious effort to only chew in the right hand side of my mouth and don't let food touch the wound. < 1535973347 903099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds frustrating < 1535973373 206636 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's an annoying fishing line knot in my mouth that I keep constantly feeling, but I must resist my reflex to try to move it with the inside of my cheek or my tongue. And I can't even use a chewing gum to redirect my mouth movements, because that would be worse, then I'd have to make sure to only chew the chewing gum on the right hand side < 1535973373 327761 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of my mouth. < 1535973573 469644 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that I might not wait the two weeks (starting from Friday which was the day of the operation) for my next visit to the dentist (she's not just a dentist, but I can't type maxillofacial surgeon) to remove the stitch, but ask my brother to remove it early next week, for by that time the wound will have healed enough that the stitch is n < 1535973573 610897 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o longer necessary. < 1535974300 785276 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds like how sqlite delays opening the file that backs up the database to as late as possible, in order that certain pragmas can take effect. This was especially important back when they didn't have the crazy URL syntax to open files with options, but IMO the url syntax is a mistake and options should be provided with pragmas anyway. < 1535974560 55222 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's possible that this is because the CREATE VIRTUAL TABLE statements are stored in the database schema, and when the schema is parsed, there might be an interdependence between the virtual tables, so it's worth to delay virtual tables to as late as possible. < 1535975007 369871 :Shragazord!~quassel@bzq-109-64-13-89.red.bezeqint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535976767 367283 :A_D9!~A_D@94.181.170.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535976812 304299 :A_D9!~A_D@94.181.170.37 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535977928 21570 :cats23!~cats@121-83-4-150f1.hyg2.eonet.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1535977962 685991 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1535977972 492946 :cats23!~cats@121-83-4-150f1.hyg2.eonet.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535978067 669620 :wodencafe4!~wodencafe@p1868248-ipngn201110fukuokachu.fukuoka.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1535978128 809866 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2663524/sorted-sort-of/ < 1535978129 863285 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ehlist: not found < 1535978241 246813 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CD60.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1535978358 798117 :wodencafe4!~wodencafe@p1868248-ipngn201110fukuokachu.fukuoka.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535978365 775359 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1535980275 694050 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1535983106 267974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535983322 303661 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tfafzwpntqramfwq QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1535983331 149869 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ngydvevayauwfsqk JOIN :#esoteric < 1535983564 256381 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1535983825 515255 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535984106 492595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all options could use pragmas; ATTACH opens the database and reports any errors immediately, so the VFS to use (and any VFS options needed at time to open) needs to be specified in the ATTACH command. Still some options for the VFS that can be changed after it is opened, can be specified by pragmas (a VFS can only override pragmas after the file is open, anyways). < 1535984419 250617 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, why does ATTACH do that? the semantics rule is that a bare table/view name without an attach name before it refers to the table in the earliest database, so a new ATTACH can't cause to reinterpret statements that were already working. < 1535984593 62562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but I have tried it. < 1535984621 224229 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in any case, there are a few things you can only do by opening something as the primary database (namely setting the directory for the master journal for cross-database atomic commits) and I think there are some global settings that you may have set before you act on any database < 1535984693 361757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the VFS can only implement pragmas if the file is open. < 1535984940 257723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the URL syntax is a mistake, but then other syntax may be needed to specify what VFS to use for a attached database < 1535985486 591815 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: technically you could implement global pragmas from a VFS wrapper to set the default options for the next databases to be opened, but that's not a very good idea for a VFS to do < 1535985549 719583 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but the VFS layer could define a pragma to tell which VFS to activate for opening a file < 1535985589 414573 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1535985595 842188 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how all this should work. < 1535985763 661653 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-seocwxoxbyxvpsxr JOIN :#esoteric < 1535985986 832285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, but for compatibility it can be kept how it is. < 1535987006 58217 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1535987616 943345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How to make a phonetic writing that is not limited to human physiology and maybe not even limited to a possible kind? => seems too unconstrained a task < 1535987658 509843 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-human-like alien phonetics could be almost anything, I think < 1535987672 110270 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :with any system < 1535987750 157653 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could try to do something with acoustic side of phonetics, not with articulatory one — at least acoustics is common to us all < 1535987790 447550 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :…if the language is an acoustic one < 1535987851 252498 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also there are still variables like audible frequency range < 1535987927 812768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many contemporary human phonetic writing systems are based more on articulation and less on acoustics < 1535987963 292299 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e. g. IPA) < 1535988277 103702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it is still with sounds, at least < 1535989089 638020 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, also we can try to enumerate various ways in which sound can be produced, and especially inside the specified alien < 1535989341 442397 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we could envision their articulatory system and finally go the way out phonetics gone — investigate what can and can’t combine with what and get something IPA-like (but IPA is far from completely describing our articulatory abilities, it focuses mainly on those used in known languages, and there is an extension to IPA adding something about “speech impairment”, as they say it) < 1535989369 576928 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way is not generic, obviously, though < 1535989414 101172 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet one can’t systematize all the possible results in a humane fashion < 1535989429 859433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the grid of sounds and not all of the combinations are filled in. < 1535989604 271062 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535989714 112524 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-133-49-189.range86-133.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1535989836 825366 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-133-49-189.range86-133.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, has anyone got a copy of the paper "Is it alive, or is it GA?" by Thomas Ray? I can't find a copy online :-( < 1535989906 861373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have it < 1535990095 278977 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1535990508 153645 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1535990547 494518 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535990989 267976 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They have the grid of sounds and not all of the combinations are filled in. => ah, this should be not hard then < 1535991131 859344 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :let that grid have N dimensions, then you could assemble each glyph from N parts. Then you could mutate these glyphs, for example when some parts occur together, they can be drawn in other way; etc. etc.? < 1535991172 669173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have considered that actually and once drawn them on a paper, so then they could be made using METAFONT < 1535991236 240377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1535992040 845742 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@unaffiliated/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1535992273 287090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider because, I play a GURPS game but my character is not human character so how to figure their speech? Presumably due to many languages redundancy you can still understand the speech if you are speeching English even though it is not perfectly the proper sound. < 1535992411 509869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do that though? < 1535992961 393932 :ep100!~max@197.83.226.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535993807 288320 :ep100!~max@197.83.226.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535993885 494854 :mist2!~mist@199.116.115.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535993917 747493 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535993944 324296 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535994031 583809 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :afraid I don’t understand what is meant precisely. How do other characters figure their speech, how should one render it when describing what is happening in English, or something else? For the second, there’s a great deal of freedom: we could write simply “”, probably adding some alien concepts in that meaning, or write verbatim/transcribe (possibly both at the same time as in “and then he said привет < 1535994031 665003 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : ”), and maybe other ways. For the first, it’s a story how people (or other entities) learn/know languages. Also two languages could be very near and often understandable (bot sometimes not really) by speakers of each another, they may enjoy being rendered as e. g. two distant English dialects < 1535994137 68066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't usually relevant, but sometimes you like to do anyways, because sometimes might be relevant. Once there was a Latin inscription, and so I wrote it in Latin as well as English. < 1535994156 37893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Latin is not the only language in use. < 1535994178 838563 :mist2!~mist@199.116.115.135 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535994231 273907 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535995014 898543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1535995207 326129 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1535995243 119529 :evilman_work!~evilman_w@183.109.91.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535995286 195701 :evilman_work!~evilman_w@183.109.91.76 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1535995347 118463 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-seocwxoxbyxvpsxr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1535995403 279358 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535995972 334049 :ep100!~max@197.83.226.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1535996612 212346 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@unaffiliated/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: all < 1535996908 258455 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1535997036 485234 :ep100!~max@197.83.226.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1535998215 284117 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1535999185 212791 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdsxvaedobqlbcrf JOIN :#esoteric < 1536000092 726284 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CD60.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536001137 897954 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536001181 870001 :raynold2!~raynold@42.113.98.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536001248 871166 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nglwjotekldefcbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536001349 881226 :raynold2!~raynold@42.113.98.96 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536001716 883588 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536001822 457016 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536001825 129097 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1536001825 572991 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-reqkmjnmviuygzoz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1536001825 573034 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1536001856 452051 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jsdokadxyomsqheq JOIN :#esoteric < 1536001870 508997 :ocharles!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvfqjtmewhyvsrpl JOIN :#esoteric < 1536001908 28574 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you love it when two organizations are implementing the two sides of supposedly the same interface, but they disagree in what the details of the interface are and interpret them in slightly incompatible ways, and each of them insist that they know what the interface is because they use it a lot and I don't? < 1536001932 266372 :ocharles!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvfqjtmewhyvsrpl NICK :Guest39584 < 1536001937 294203 :Guest39584!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvfqjtmewhyvsrpl QUIT :Changing host < 1536001937 294252 :Guest39584!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1536001953 733338 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536002089 548952 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536002120 650276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the example? < 1536002183 843941 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but this example is a bit complicated to explain, because it's not in informatics, but in bureaucracy with rules mostly invented by government organizations. < 1536002316 189783 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I buy stuff, the vendor gives me a receipt saying what I bought and how much I payed for it and some other stuff, the format of the receipt is controlled by government rules, then I give this receipt to an organization and then I get a reduction on my income tax, < 1536002328 453052 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536002405 860122 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the party that prints the bill has some idea on what format the receipt has, which is enforced partly by the computer program they use, partly by the employee sitting at the keyboard, and the organization receiving the bill has an idea on the format of the receipt, and they don't exactly match. I think in this case it's not a hard error, only t < 1536002406 23581 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he receipt I got doesn't match the best practices according to the receiver, but it's still acceptible, but I'm not sure. < 1536002479 850004 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536002668 4776 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you get similar problems between software libraries (or hardware components, but I don't work with those). < 1536002824 267497 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I realized that the uncommon Hungarian compound word "házhozszállítás" has z+sz in it. Now I wonder what are the most common words that have zs+z, but that's probably rarer. < 1536002869 938937 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes ISO < 1536002913 193826 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"házszám" also has z+sz, and it's probably more common than "házhozszállítás" < 1536003109 18426 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :z+s and sz+s are in some even more common uncommon words, mostly derivatives of "igazság" and "egészség" resp, but many others. s+zs is in "szemeteszsák", which I usually write is "szemetes-zsák" despite that the academy rules forbid that < 1536003920 668096 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu > 1536005318 793196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57511 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+588) 10Basically just duplicated the manual... > 1536005331 985667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57512 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+1992) 10[Subpage] > 1536005590 755339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57513&oldid=57512 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+0) 10Typo... < 1536005814 586790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What example might you make up of a word of a alien concepts? < 1536005898 263010 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the style for those words rather depends on the writing style of the author or franchise < 1536005929 662704 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you want examples of well-known words from fiction? < 1536005933 372908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I suppose, although I am the author for now < 1536005940 519425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give whatever examples you know < 1536005946 902552 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536005980 95583 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a setting in mind? like some sort of sci-fi with extraterrestrial aliens (Star Trek), space fantasy (eg. Star Wars), something else? < 1536006007 997984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually a role playing game < 1536006026 824873 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/ and https://scifi.stackexchange.com/ and their chatrooms can help a lot in this, the latter if the setting is sci-fi or fantasy < 1536006108 579394 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, but role-playing game in what sort of universe? mediaeval magical fantasy? how alien are the aliens? just LotR or D&D elves? LotR or D&D orcs and goblins and trolls and ents? buglike aliens with human mind from a nearby star? modern theme park versions of chthulu mythos? < 1536006133 778203 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search up Artifexian on Youtube, he has great conlang and worldbuilding videos. < 1536006213 971611 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if it's similar to D&D settings, and you don't want well-known examples but a random model for potentially new words, then http://www.d20srd.org/fantasy/name/ can help. < 1536006227 129757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is GURPS and it is mediaeval, including old Lsd money. < 1536006234 581897 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading similar existing books or other fiction always helps of course. < 1536006251 549618 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lsd? < 1536006281 542442 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LASERDISK, obviously. < 1536006292 343683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lsd" is a Latin abbreviation for "pounds, shillings, pence" < 1536006299 391770 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1536006328 884867 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that system that's derived from the even worse ancient roman currency system < 1536006435 563782 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't familiar with the abbreviation, only the concept. (I know "NIS" and "ILS" are abbreviations for the same currency though.) < 1536006451 707341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, there are other abbreviations too < 1536006470 380704 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. there's always lots of abbreviations. < 1536006479 684150 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: The latin root for "Salary" is "Sal", meaning Salt. Because roman soldiers were paid in salt. < 1536006494 548145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I knew that < 1536006496 323123 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many wasted neurons. < 1536006675 570328 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some common patterns that make them conflict a lot too: there are a lot of three or four letter English abbreviations with "o" in the middle standing for "of", lots of Hungarian government-institution-related abbreviations starting with "M" for "Magyar" or lately "N" for "Nemzeti" (these are just single letters, so worse than the old syst < 1536006675 725617 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :em of calling everything "K&K" for "Kaiser und König") < 1536006727 232632 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there were some socialist system abbreviations in between, but the names for them have been purged since, so I'm familiar with only a few) < 1536007346 434501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can describe how is my character (named Ziveruskex (sometimes abbreviated as Ziv, sort of like Lempel-Ziv-Welch)) (and his friend, named Strixan) is like, in case they would explain the language to someone who can know such thing < 1536007424 749033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do Lempel and Welch have to do with it? < 1536007435 497925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing; it is just a similar name < 1536007451 302264 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: alien concepts. E. g. aliens have usually marriages of three individuals and behavioral roles in these marriages are traditionally distinct and have their names and these are better to not translate lest to make a misunderstanding < 1536007499 211503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some things are difficult to translate (even among similar languages actually; such alien concepts will therefore be even more difficult) < 1536007711 953872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have five eyes, can see five colours (rather than three, that human do), antennas, scales, feathers, wings to fly, four fingers instead of five, sharp beak, and also a breath attack, and can eat blood < 1536007751 842901 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :five color channels are neat < 1536007781 503939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, therefore the word for the colours will be difference, even some thing that might seem same if you can see three colours, seem to difference instead. < 1536007815 353023 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 acoustic sensors, and 3 vocal organs; language depends on subtle interferences that need 4 functioning sensors to discern reliably < 1536007951 269547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make this arbitrarily complex. (This idea arose from an earlier question about a universal "IPA"; with wild thoughts like these you may have to record full 3D wave functions to capture all audible signals.) < 1536008001 969008 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be interesting to make a species that is 5-way symmetric. < 1536008020 343145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacksilver: Yes, you could try to do that too < 1536008025 512147 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m a star I’m a star < 1536008043 776287 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :☆ < 1536008066 150150 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? * < 1536008067 449782 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twinkle, twinkle, little star! < 1536008094 559181 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 5 acoustic sensors => humans have 5.1 ears too according to the people who sold all those home movie sets that were so fashionable ten years ago (and the period in "5.1" has the same significance as the one in "8.3 char long filenames on FAT" < 1536008102 293308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s \* wisdom/☆ < 1536008104 566785 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536008143 232431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, we have two ears and we wander around (which I believe is the real selling point of more than 2 channels) < 1536008183 919418 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you don't wander around when you're sitting on a couch watching a movie, except perhaps for getting up for more pop-corn from the kitchen < 1536008189 862532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said... I have two small speakers in front of me :P < 1536008193 749840 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 speakers would work if people didn't turn their heads. < 1536008233 241824 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the sound is supposed to be coming from behind you, you don't notice if you're facing the tv. < 1536008247 976863 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : But if you turn your head 90 degrees it breaks the illusion. < 1536008259 38765 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence you need speakers behind the listeners < 1536008263 13414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. but then I can no longer see the monitor < 1536008287 647063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case it's a better explanation than wandering around, thanks < 1536008295 135682 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can detect the forward/back even if you turn you head a little bit. Brains are good at that sort of thing. < 1536008374 764911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... so are people making headphones with location/orientation sensors? < 1536008376 136563 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sometimes do it without moving your head because of how the sound bounces off the walls or something. < 1536008393 897167 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised. Wouldn't be *too* hard. < 1536008427 989261 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gyroscope, acceleromoter, some clever algorithms. < 1536008429 533274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two external speakes on my computer but sometimes only one of them works < 1536008438 402165 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 vocal organs is harder, but you could argue that singing plus a guitar is common, then the mouth cavity and the nose cavity are separate resonators, or your vocal cords in your larynx for normal speech and your stomach for barfing and your buttock for farting are separate reeds for starting a vibration, or that people use their hands for clapping < 1536008438 532914 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and sometimes various beatbox effects, or that drummers play on half a dozen different drums. < 1536008601 494690 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"language depends on subtle interferences that need 4 functioning sensors to discern reliably" => now that's the kind of complexity we only reached after the second world war, with GPS receivers and mobile phones and astronomy instruments and near field electron microscopes and gravitational wave detectors and other such complicated devices, < 1536008603 144034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if drums count you should consider an organ < 1536008635 331664 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in these, the processing of those interferences is done autonomously, much more so than when someone plays a guitar or drum the traditional way. < 1536008677 897326 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the human definitely isn't the one who decodes the four functioning sensors together. < 1536008743 719441 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people get information from vision and hearing, or vision and hearing and smells, or vision and touch etc combined, but I don't think that it's ever "subtle interferences that need 4 functioning sensors to discern reliably" < 1536008861 892345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was supposed to be an alien idea :P < 1536008867 932301 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... perhaps if you counted three types of color sensor cells in each of humans' two eyes, sometimes combined with switching some color or polarization filter or lens, to make a visual image of something, and the processing done by the human brain alone < 1536008942 317930 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how GPS design needs to consider Relativity (all^W both of them! — effects of gravitational potential and high velocity are comparable in magnitude). Of course it could be designed using empirical time dilation observations, but it’s better to have them some base < 1536008958 97398 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like when I noticed that (it's hard to play the rubik cube because two of the stickers appear nearly the same color) iff ((I'm under old yellow halogen street lights) or (in the cheaper LED lighting of the carriages of the M4 metro and I'm wearing my brown color filtering sunglasses)) < 1536009005 624429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sodium vapor lamps are the worst in that regard :P < 1536009012 50926 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: GPS design needs to consider a lot of things. it's a wonder it works. it needs an accurate time based maintained by clocks on the satellites synchronizing to ridiculously precise atomic clocks on Earth, < 1536009014 333063 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :brown color filtering seems something hi-tech < 1536009047 316333 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: indeed a wonder. I marvel at such technological advances < 1536009100 201831 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since there are now four different GPS-like satellite positioning systems and they are maintained by four different secretive government organizations, I wonder if they could get into an accidental dependence loop when each of them trusts time or location readings of one of the other and results in a runaway unstable error. < 1536009218 283568 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also need to measure all sorts of anomalies in the gravitational fields of Earth indirectly to figure out the trajectories of the satellites, plus tectonic movements to figure out the trajectory of ground-based stations. it's horribly complicated, and another possible source of dependence loop among different secretive organizations. < 1536009367 435169 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then of course all the ground stations use modern digital processors and other huge integrated circuits that are horribly complicated to create, and are designed by americans who then manufactured by east asians and both of them can introduce subtle backdoors that are impossible to discover and could cause basically arbitrary behavior changes. < 1536009459 7691 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dedicated hackers with lots of free time have reverse engineered basically the entire design of the MOS 6502 chip, but that only has a few thousand transistors and the entire layout was designed by one genius person. < 1536009633 274765 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But these days, CPUs are much more complicated. Intel and AMD and ARM deliberately provide enough technical info about some parts of the CPU so that some dedicated reverse engineers like Agner Fog still make independent discoveries about the newest models, but it's well known that it's easy to add such subtle backdoors that are impossible to discov < 1536009633 428950 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er unless you know some hidden information, and with some ingenuity, it's also possible to install backdoors that are plausibly deniable even if some super-intelligence who can reverse-engineered the entire CPU and discovered it as a bug. < 1536009648 74340 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ation, and with/ation; and with/ < 1536009746 984532 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it's expensive, mostly because this type of high refraction index Zeiss glass lens is already expensive and there's lower demand for the tinted sunglass version. < 1536009852 46161 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: but I don't think the brown color filtering itself is very high tech. grinding the glass lenses to an assymetric shape, that's high tech. all the fancy giant optical astronomical telescope mirrors and lenses and all the expensive camera lenses are all ground to spherically symmetric, which is easy. < 1536009923 642692 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass isn't easy to shape to an exact shape that is smooth in the ten nanometer sclae. < 1536010015 694640 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, like, a hundred atoms. < 1536010126 462343 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plastic and silicone lenses (used in cheaper eyeglass lenses and all contacts) are easy compared to that, because you can mold them and reshape them after heating, instead of just grinding. < 1536010130 263808 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536010251 392360 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though admittedly, contact lenses are made of particularly tricky kind of polymer materials. < 1536010273 497492 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most modern contact lenses. < 1536010292 779837 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not those torture instruments that were in use thirty years ago on actors. < 1536010351 661775 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but women's self-torture fashion accessories don't get better, they just invent some new fashion as soon as a less painful replacement for an older effect is found. < 1536010382 714571 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always laugh on stereotypic women's footwear < 1536010778 256016 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536010912 274459 :Esqapezord!~quassel@bzq-79-183-108-244.red.bezeqint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536011027 318637 :Shragazord!~quassel@bzq-109-64-13-89.red.bezeqint.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536011346 959693 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536011450 161588 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536011542 732282 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1536011561 218689 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536013137 153119 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that was a joke, like, “brown color filtering sunglasses” can be parsed as a “((brown color) filtering) sunglasses” i. e. sunglasses that filter brown color (which is semantically funny too) :) < 1536013176 299927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer should be made that does not have too much complicated < 1536013430 312418 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1536013437 666786 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youknow the trusting trust infected compiler idea? < 1536013448 925276 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is 'rotten' scheme compiler which is a real example of it < 1536013451 561019 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other examples? < 1536013514 901021 :pierte!~pierte@p1486080-ipngn12501hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1536013516 306680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1536013531 68759 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are there any examples of 2 compilers where it infects both compilers < 1536013555 443172 :pierte!~pierte@p1486080-ipngn12501hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536013844 815044 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of the infected binary as having inside it 2 different infection genetic codes, and it acts as a multi-quine depending on who compiles it < 1536013994 352526 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: nah, sorry. brown tinted sunglasses that only have a color filter, no polarization filter < 1536014036 958979 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they also have an interference-based anti-reflection coating, but so do my normal lenses. but definitely no polarization. < 1536014095 221430 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536014124 493572 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536014193 360832 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by normal, I mean the non-tinted ones in my glasses that aren't sunglasses. they're still similar expensive Zeiss glass lenses, and these days they're the kind that are produced on-demand (rather than produced in advance and stored until someone orders the lens) with 1.8 reflective index, although I only settled on this type of glass a few years ag < 1536014193 486414 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o. < 1536014218 258254 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I heard about a Delphi (old days, v7 and alike) package virus that inserted itself in package binaries and then if a program compiled with them arrived on a computer with another Delphi instance, the virus copied itself in its packages etc. < 1536014245 32230 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t remember specifics < 1536014319 371914 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: are you sure the compilation itself was involved? didn't it just infect files using the standard library that programs compiled by that compiler were normally linked to? < 1536014346 175217 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O interesting < 1536014364 499116 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving the compiler is possible, but seems unnecessary. attaching to a library, on the other hand, can make the virus simpler and less prone of errors < 1536014379 751629 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea for the simpler virus < 1536014451 5812 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1536014485 737857 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The marketing name for the type of these lenses, in case it matters, is "ZEISS SV Sph Min 1.8 with Super Filter ET" for the normal glasses, and "ZEISS SV Sph Min 1.8 with Umbra SE 85%" for the sunglasses. < 1536014585 610992 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried lenses with even higher reflective index, but they have a problem with breaking up colors everywhere except the center of the lens, which is still present with this type but to a lesser amount. < 1536014696 15229 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some of the lenses have a shape distortion near their sides that makes it very hard to synchronize the image from the two eyes and get proper binocular vision (not even seeing distances, just seeing the same object from both my eyes), < 1536014726 976972 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not clear if this is influenced by the higher reflective index or more the distance and angle of the lens from my eyes which depends on the shape of the frame. < 1536014778 895353 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I'll probably try contact lenses (again for the third time after two failed attempts lots of years ago) next year. Contact lenses give much better visuals than eyeglasses: < 1536014876 406884 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very close to my cornea and lens so they don't shrink the size of objects by ten or twenty percents, so everything is bigger and so better, they have much fewer shape or color distortion, and the center of the lens, which always has fewer distortions, moves as I rotate my eyes. < 1536014966 274721 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I tried the first and second time, they already gave an arguably nicer image for objects close to me, and a clearly sharper image for objects far from me, and that was back when contact lenses with cylindrical distortion weren't available. < 1536015009 289524 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536015098 363716 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for people like me with an almost strong myopia and some astigmatism, contact lenses should give a much better vision. < 1536015245 652645 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that I found contact lenses uncomfortable to wear. That has three potential causes. One is that contact lenses back then genuinely were worse than they are now, so that will be partly fixed by modern contact lenses. The second is that I have dry and irritated eyes due to spending lots of time in front of a computer monitor, and < 1536015250 568126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536015267 557352 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536015338 914988 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be partly fixed by that I will now try daily contact lenses (that is, ones you throw away after one use, rather than cleaning) and wear them only occasionally, not all the time, so mostly not when I'm sitting in front of the computer. The third is that my myopia is caused by too long eyeballs, and because of that, the curvature of my eyeb < 1536015339 39548 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all and especially the part with the iris is strong, so contact lenses don't fit on it easily. < 1536015790 657459 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yeah, it injected itself into standard packages < 1536015809 462927 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :no compilation needed < 1536016060 583423 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: admittedly hooking into the operating system kernel or the on-disk OS part of the boot loader is even easier, since those were often even more standard than some compiler libraries. < 1536016094 433063 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hooking into something in 16-bit Windows < 1536016126 749128 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that gets ran in practically every installation of the target version of Windows or versions close to it < 1536016226 381152 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the Windows ones need some other component to spread, because people rarely copy their windows installations, so that's not a good idea < 1536016251 537865 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works as a worm that survives reboots, but not as a virus < 1536016366 413884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536016402 35230 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536016462 248756 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536016523 505014 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. I was just ranting about my vision problems and corrective eyeglasses and contacts, which I probably understand somewhat; plus butted in a little about old PC viruses, which I really don't know much about. < 1536016547 214977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably know more about old PC viruses than your vision problems < 1536016557 54185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember, many many years ago, reading the virus descriptions in a virus database for fun < 1536016662 654156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual computer viruses are incredibly rare nowadays < 1536016686 210162 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until a security hole comes out, then we get a bunch at once. < 1536016689 863235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because modifying executables is a) very difficult, b) pretty much always unnecessary given modern computers' complexities < 1536016693 293155 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, although the one that was mentioned above was an honest to goodness virus, supposedly < 1536016704 498913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacksilver: you get hacks, worms, malware generally < 1536016712 258115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a virus is a specific sort of that, one that's almost entirely died out < 1536016714 211532 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: these days it's much easier to install trojans through all sorts of internet services < 1536016735 705720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a virus is malware that works by modifying executables to run the malware code when executed (instead of or in addition to their own code) < 1536016741 643790 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, viruses specifically, not including trojans and worms and stuff. < 1536016811 347351 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: Andy Weir's web-original short story "Twarrior" http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/twarrior.html has a passing mention of a compiler hack < 1536016821 880056 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg thanks < 1536016835 628185 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: it's fictional though < 1536016841 614473 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a piece of fiction short story < 1536016847 92215 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't get your hopes up < 1536016860 95475 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.teamten.com/lawrence/writings/coding-machines/ < 1536016864 69185 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :il read it now and < 1536016867 301378 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was also fun.. < 1536016869 61851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: the trusting trust discussion earlier, it struck me a while ago that an interesting esoproject would be to create a compiler chain starting from first principles, and starting on a system that's not complex enough to contain AI-complete exploits in the hardware < 1536016935 544778 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! some fellows are trying to do that for GNU Guix < 1536016941 859346 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bootstrapping.miraheze.org/wiki/Mes < 1536016950 66816 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like these bootstrapping projects < 1536016956 370534 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few , but they dont all go so far < 1536016971 966561 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was also complaining about a case when a government-related agency defines one side of an interface, and a store with its computer software and training of the workers defines the other side of an interface, they're supposed to be compatible but there seems to be a subtle difference (hopefully it's not a hard error, just not following bes < 1536016972 145142 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t practice recommendations), < 1536017006 750938 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't do anything because both of them are rightly convinced that they've been using this interface for years in thousands of cases and I'm new to it so they know the interface better and don't have to believe me. < 1536017022 33213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my router's understanding of USB is apparently so far from standard that if I try to use it over USB, the Linux kernel resets it repeatedly because of all the standards violations < 1536017043 240369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it's still somehow being sold for the general public < 1536017052 469416 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's a power unbalance, because the government side has the right to define the interface, so in the worst case I can convince the store by getting proof from the government side. < 1536017055 762748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(luckily it works over wi-fi too, ethernet-over-USB is pretty niche as technology goes anyway) < 1536017078 920431 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some other situations, especially in software, it's not clear which side gets to define the interface, in which case there's not much you can do. < 1536017114 351351 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, why is your router connected by USB? < 1536017121 330008 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ethernet-over-USB < 1536017138 668310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too physically small to fit an ethernet port on it < 1536017141 862791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses micro-USB instead < 1536017142 170234 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which generation of USB? USB3/3.1 or USB1/2? < 1536017151 870844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, it doesn't get that far :-P < 1536017161 335489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 2 though based on how old it is < 1536017225 975204 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pity. if it were 3, you could try force-downgrading to USB 2 and possibly not lose bandwidth if you only need the bandwidth of an internet connection, although these days I think internet connections in the UK can be pretty fast. < 1536017256 3715 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it doesn't get that far" -- that means it's USB 2, because I think USB 3 is bootstrapped through USB 1/2 < 1536017269 952413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: reverse-engineering the 6502, it was decapped, which is more like reading the source code than reverse-engineering < 1536017278 906992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the traces on the chip and see where the transistors are < 1536017290 879858 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you tried plugging it into another USB port of the computer? that works better in practice than it should according to theory. < 1536017306 74969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are emulators that emulate the individual transistors < 1536017310 905313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I've tried it on multiple different computers < 1536017338 658349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, but a Linux kernel dev inspected a usbtrace and said that what the device was doing is completely broken < 1536017347 905494 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536017349 944183 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. but then they actually figured out most part what each transistor did, with the help of the lot of earlier information about the behavior discovered earlier. < 1536017403 25462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realises that physical hardware normally doesn't have comments < 1536017438 195438 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536017447 944307 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's still possible to decap the 6502 and look at some of the low-level electronics, you just need to separate more layers and a view with more expensive microscopes (but microscope technology keeps improving, we now have near-field microscopes to overcome the barrier of the frequency of the scanning wave, and stuff like electron-microscope < 1536017448 115279 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s using hadrons), < 1536017460 968581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1536017473 449165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536017481 212999 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's still possible to decap the 6502 and look at some of the low-level electronics, you just need to separate more layers and a view with more expensive microscopes (but microscope technology keeps improving, we now have near-field microscopes to overcome the barrier of the frequency of the scanning wave, and stuff like electron-microscope < 1536017481 397213 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s using hadrons), < 1536017501 214141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays I normally have the logs open in stalker mode while I'm on IRC < 1536017501 999952 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the electronics is so huge that it'd be very hard to scan it all, and almost impossible to understand it all. < 1536017505 981663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I have to reconnect I see what I've missed < 1536017517 86459 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalker. ok < 1536017517 849820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also what failed to get through) < 1536017533 614717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a bouncer except with many fewer moving parts < 1536017556 856510 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536017571 994605 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: larger pieces or more amateur physical HW often have comments, sometimes in the form of debugging connections, sometimes readable letters printed in ink or drawn in wires on the circuit board. a CPU probably has very few of those. < 1536017633 389540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherboards still often have the components labelled, don't they? < 1536017633 787730 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even larger pieces can have all sorts of written tags attached, stickers and little plastic number tags, plus lots of useful coding conventions like physical arrangements and conventional colors of wires < 1536017638 528121 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing physically stopping the PCB from having lettering written in lines that aren't connected to anything. The manufacturer doesn't charge for the amount of stuff etched. < 1536017643 274475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably to help reduce errors in assembly < 1536017645 646863 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't trust the conventions too much or you can get misled < 1536017655 868159 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: larger components, yes. < 1536017669 745108 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some components are so small it's hard to fit a label that people can see. < 1536017673 614081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacksilver: technically speaking the more copper there is on the board the cheaper it is, because you need less acid to dissolve the unused copper from the blanks < 1536017700 704467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's balanced by the fact that putting unused areas of copper too close to used areas of copper tends to cause unwanted electromagnetic effects < 1536017731 684132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, most circuit boards have a "silkscreen" layer which is basically just white ink that's printed onto the board, and I doubt most manufacturers charge for that by the pixel < 1536017747 795121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you'd want a silkscreen layer to put things like the manufacturer's name, copyright, etc.) < 1536017791 864555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some letters like K would also be hard to put down in copper, because the etching process works least well with acute angles at the edge of the non-copper region < 1536017808 750192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things might seem like same colours if you can see three colours but if you can see five colours (including near UV) then it seem like different colours? < 1536017822 311451 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, more than half of the time even photocopiers charge for the page rather than the ink, to keep accounting simpler, even though the ink costs might be a few times larger than the per-page maintenance cost. < 1536017830 873395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact it's fairly common for circuit boards to use only 45 degree turns if they can help it, presumably to help reduce this effect further) < 1536017844 298992 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have abused this by printing stuff on paper with large black areas. < 1536017847 615052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why does Firefox use the title of a webpage as the default filename instead of using the filename in the URL? < 1536017873 405624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, one example would be that most people can't distinguish between some greenish blue and some cyan because they both have the same effect on all three color channels, but if there were more color channels they might be distinguishable < 1536017892 394614 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536017905 279873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably because some websites have a URL-filename scheme that's incredibly verbose and contains large amounts of junk data < 1536017912 358169 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably because there are so many server-side dynamic pages when the base filename part of the url is the same in lots of similar pages you want to save together. the title is sometimes the same too, but it might still be better. < 1536017922 885635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl uses the URL-filename by default and it sometimes contains hundreds of bytes of hex or base64 < 1536017945 85201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant wget, but it's probably the same for curl too < 1536017981 202111 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: curl uses the URL filename if you use the -O command-line switch. it writes content to stdout by default. close enough. correct for wget. < 1536017990 970460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I find the filename in the URL is usually better, at least if it ends in .htm or .html it is usually better; if it ends in .php then neither the title nor the URL filename are suitable < 1536018020 323457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it ends in &.jpg? < 1536018045 161321 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for wget, it's actually hard to override this per url if you want to download multiple pages from the same server, which was my main motivation for making the wgetas script. < 1536018048 93464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(implying that the filename is made up of lots of query parameters, and then one was stuck on the end to give an extension) < 1536018069 609124 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: browsers usually append a file extension if the normal one wouldn't be right < 1536018094 855183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1536018099 279328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people do that in URLs too though < 1536018141 555427 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Stack Exchange chat parser is the only thing I've seen that pays attention to the "extension" at the end of a URL to guess whether it should try to download the URL and display it as an image. But the Stack Exchange parsers handling URLs is particularly stupid and annoying in multiple other ways. < 1536018164 106619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that true about just about everything related to Stack Exchange's technology? < 1536018186 82073 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That extension thing can be considered a feature since it lets you override the default guess by appending a query parameter that the server ignores. < 1536018210 541497 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's only a "feature" as in a bug that lets you work around a worse bug. < 1536018226 749225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm reminded of Wikipedia's use of text/css for serving text files < 1536018227 88608 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some of it at least. < 1536018240 40859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because IE interprets text/plain as HTML if it looks like it might be) < 1536018248 886111 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol < 1536018290 480222 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rant about wikis and their formatting languages regularly here. < 1536018299 652781 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one some weeks ago. < 1536018307 507311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a successful XSS attack against the #esoteric logs once using that, all the notation made it look HTMLy enough to fit a in there < 1536018323 703035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IE actually ran it < 1536018333 831026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an older set of logs, though, I think the current set are HTML already < 1536018374 339145 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536018378 477740 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, is that related to the attack where some browser ran apparent javascript found in what's supposed to be an image file and ran it in local context so let it access local files? < 1536018397 776777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure but possibly < 1536018398 14718 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the current log has three formats, two of which are text < 1536018445 536883 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Firefox has some such format recognition magic too. they spread quickly to support broken webpages < 1536018465 674629 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-08.html was my previous rant about wiki formatts < 1536018484 274885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Markdown is terrible for the purpose :-) < 1536018500 488652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add a mention that the formatted text logs are not for use with Internet Explorer. < 1536018559 540239 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Markdown is the base. SE adds some additional levels of changes to the format. < 1536018592 801440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant wikis < 1536018606 100217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but SE Markdown doesn't even seem to have a general escaping rule < 1536018627 444333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, Github Flavored Markdown is just as bad < 1536018646 679364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What format recognition stuff does Firefox do? In some cases the header of the file tell the difference for example it might treat image/gif as image/png if the header says it is PNG, but it should not treat text/plain as text/html or vice-versa. Treating text/plain as text/css might be helpful if the HTML elements specify that the file is CSS. < 1536018647 864224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there's a way to produce the output ``` other than writing the code tags out manually < 1536018651 336725 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536018666 212292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that you can't even express how to write Github Flavoured Markdown in Github Flavore Markdown < 1536018696 328661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that in Markdown you can use plain text by starting with several tildes on one line; at least npm supports that. < 1536018742 578242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markdown isn't really standardised at all < 1536018748 441402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Commonmark but I'm not sure anyone actually uses it < 1536018755 98041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the MediaWiki format is better than Markdown < 1536018782 250745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IIRC the original, markdown(1), is just a set of regexps or some similar architecture (i.e. there isn't even a parser) < 1536018890 126047 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SE format does have a general escaping rule AFAIK. ampersand-escaping key characters and representing line breaks as
works for all plain text modulo the HTML horizontal whitespace collapsing problem, < 1536018910 87810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1536018918 759000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember the whole  thing < 1536018923 215751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, < 1536018932 135625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm still not entirely sure on whether that's useful or not < 1536018932 976674 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is familiar to many users because it also works on some other wikis < 1536019056 221596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, hex-escapes aren't very usable as most people don't have the ASCII code of characters like ` memorised < 1536019062 667372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(96, right?) < 1536019064 728157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ` < 1536019065 414221 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] < 1536019069 482795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1536019083 214631 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in posts (questions or answers) and tag wikis (but not in comments or chat), for making hyperlinks, the [link text][a] with later [a]: http://example.example/ in separate line seems to work most of the time (I admit I haven't tried the abomination IPV6 address HTTP urls), and HTML tags work for most of the other formatting available < 1536019109 101962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are on Linux (possibly Mac OS X too, although I have not tried it) you can also use "man ascii" for the ASCII table. < 1536019117 413420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I do that frequently < 1536019134 176830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` is just one of the characters I happen to have memorised, because I know it comes just before a < 1536019134 602900 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1536019138 661866 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh, those most people should ask the ascii or unicode code of characters from their computers, they're good at memorizing those. < 1536019175 392948 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the code of all characters ever either, but know the code for many, and know all printable ascii if pressed. < 1536019242 538914 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the code for many non-(ascii-printable) characters that I often write, and know some of the arrangement of blocks so I can guess the approximate code of some of the others. < 1536019252 398530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people should learn the asciibet like they do the alphabet < 1536019254 87111 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ngydvevayauwfsqk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536019261 74644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I could even get as far as 0 though < 1536019268 887058 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rssqtdrwhkzknytq JOIN :#esoteric < 1536019289 726001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably people who have memorised Latin-1, but I doubt there are many of them < 1536019310 590370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even remember which order the line-drawing characters in codepage 437 are in < 1536019350 840214 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, all but the control chars are easy once you know the English alphabet and the US-ascii keyboard layout or any keyboard layout close to that. < 1536019398 265603 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mltwarkkbdgnhbsc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536019403 567630 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I tried to memorize the last 64 characters (mostly letters) of Latin-1, but so far failed, mostly because it largely depends on which characters Italian and Spanish and Portugese use, and I'm very ignorant at that. < 1536019405 63035 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rssqtdrwhkzknytq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536019407 346436 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fowxlnslxrdnsoiv JOIN :#esoteric < 1536019421 373264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you remember which control character corresponds to which button sequence < 1536019421 373339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the basics like "newline is Ctrl-J" aren't widely known < 1536019421 419950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536019426 545606 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's part of the useful mnemonic. < 1536019431 915565 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fowxlnslxrdnsoiv NICK :heroux < 1536019434 442566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536019437 972252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably Ctrl-H for backspace and Ctrl-L for formfeed are the most famous < 1536019468 731333 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, sure, I know the common ones. but do you even know the set of names of those ascii control characters? < 1536019473 170384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Emacs displays formfeed as a red ^L, and manual formfeeds are fairly common in older text files) < 1536019476 296775 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, do you approximately know every single name? < 1536019485 186505 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't. < 1536019501 148158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I quite possibly don't know all 32 but I know a fairly large proportion of them, just not necessarily what order they're in < 1536019502 632401 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I use each control character for in many applications, but not the original ASCII control intentions. < 1536019518 466668 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fowxlnslxrdnsoiv QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536019568 704607 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mutxyqbboatlptve JOIN :#esoteric < 1536019598 528552 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how many of them are used in ecma/vt102-like terminal escapes, know how they're used by the PC and DOS in text (except when keyboard scan codes get into text because of that strange DOS interface), and much of how they're used in wordstar, emacs, and vim, < 1536019650 152535 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are together the ancestors of most modern control schemes that are based on a terminal character stream rather than an X11 keyboard or scan code or key code stream or anything like that. < 1536019658 293727 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also know most of the nethack bindings. < 1536019666 785253 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mutxyqbboatlptve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536019674 479288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole ecma-48 terminal set seems to be loosely based on ASCII? but not really < 1536019705 481918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on ecma-35 which supports ASCII compatibility for printable characters, but I'm not sure if the change-encoding characters are consistent with the ASCII control codes < 1536019706 272388 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dsxzdflnguknymsv JOIN :#esoteric < 1536019735 852783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I learned ecma-35 to write a re-encoder that converted ttyrecs to Unicode, it was interesting) < 1536019743 285132 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dsxzdflnguknymsv QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536019744 66395 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the actual terminal control sequences, as used today, only use half of the control characters. most of those are based on the ascii or latin-1 control meaning (I think the latin-1 control meanings actually have a shared origin and were produced by ecma for use in terminals) < 1536019754 766497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also learned about UTF-1 while doing this < 1536019797 731511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: do you mean "half" as in half of 0-31 or as in half of 0-31 + 128-159? < 1536019833 734878 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: half of ascii, only one from latin1 actually used I think < 1536019853 38694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well CSI is by far the most famous C1 control character < 1536019868 850109 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-smvxneexrgatiprg JOIN :#esoteric < 1536019895 903348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ecma-35 supports ESC [ as a synonym for it, in case you're using a 7-bit connection, and this is the code that typically gets used in practice because Ecma-35-incompatible encodings have an annoying tendency to use the C1 region for printable characters) < 1536019919 97542 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the only one that's not used according to the ascii meaning is \x1A, which cancels a partial control sequence, but it has \x18 as the synonym which makes more sense < 1536019949 265988 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and \x0E is the most infamous control character, as far as ecma/vt102-like terminals are concerened < 1536019998 920847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-n? which one is that? the C1 shift? (ASCII name either shift in or shift out, I forget which) < 1536020004 754941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the G1 shift, sorry < 1536020007 254924 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lkcbuwnordohyxer JOIN :#esoteric < 1536020008 455952 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually much more of latin-1 controls are interpreted by terminals. but they all have ascii aliases. < 1536020010 469165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1 shift is ESC < 1536020033 517858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, Ecma-35 gives 7-bit-safe sequences for everything < 1536020046 321507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can reconfigure an 8-bit device to 7-bit mode over a 7-bit connection < 1536020080 618880 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, SO, in terminal, shift to secondary character set. you can define which character set, but most of the time the primary one is what you use most of the time, and the secondary one is a line drawing ancient pre-unicode extension < 1536020108 338665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an Ecma-35 code, it specifically causes 7-bit codes to use G1 < 1536020127 865838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea offhand what it uses for codes which would /naturally/ fall in the G1 region (I think I knew this once, maybe they're G1 too?) < 1536020138 899394 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you cat the wrong file to a termianl, and it isn't malicious but isn't text, then the easiest thing that can mess up your terminal is if it has a \x0E and no \x0F later < 1536020149 666559 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536020153 602802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as I learned with libuncursed, making assumptions about the current content of G1 when you haven't set it yourself tends to be a bad idea < 1536020163 957875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it often is the DEC line drawing characters, this is far from certain < 1536020178 579468 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second easiest way it can mess up your terminal is lots of \x05 or \x07, but in modern terminals those cause less serious effects < 1536020202 576007 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are ways to mess up terminals in ways that are much harder to reverse, but they have longer and less likely control sequences < 1536020203 151062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was younger I used to use cat /dev/random to fix terminals messed up by a G1 shift < 1536020207 501542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I didn't know the exact cause < 1536020217 842961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it nowadays) < 1536020369 850832 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536020496 951415 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice way to mess up your terminal in a way that's hard to reverse is one that only works in linux terminal AFAIK: "\x1B[12m" < 1536020552 545082 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the only ways to fix it are"\x1B[10m" which is hard to guess and "\x1Bc" which resets _almost_ everything you can change with terminal control sequences < 1536020590 371775 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or resetting your terminal with that IOCTL that getty uses < 1536020628 33400 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536020652 708371 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536020713 96142 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536020947 705450 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536021080 613543 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an even nicer way to mess up terminals, although hard to do accidentally, which works best on linux tty with VGA text mode console, but still works to some effect in linux tty with graphics frame buffer mode console, is changing palette entries such as "\e]P7CC6600". You can change all palette entries to black. < 1536021173 503397 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is strong because almost nothing reverses its effects. "\ec" doesn't help. logging out and getty resetting the terminal doesn't help. changing to a different virtual tty is a temporary fix, that tty is still messed up. almost the only way to fix is "\e]R" to reset palette or a sequence of correct "\e]P......." palette change sequences. < 1536021189 331368 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel reboot resets it of course. < 1536021293 719027 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have access to the tty device and can send IOCTLs, then there are some even stronger ways to mess up the linux text console, ones that make it unusable even across ttys and isn't reset by getty. So one user of a linux machine who gets console access can use this and then even if he logs out, other users can't use the console. < 1536021339 285518 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can change the font, you can change the video mode, you can change the keyboard bindings so that pressing keys doesn't do anything, including pressing keys that are supposed to change to a different virtual tty. < 1536021371 859402 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can change the keyboard bindings to include a trojan command. < 1536021444 84505 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a nice exploit if you give ioctl access to a virtual terminal you use, even a pts of an xterm, to an untrusted program. It can feed the input buffer of that terminal with a trojan command. < 1536021521 973560 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you should never run untrusted commands in a pts in a su from root or sudo, even though the process doesn't get direct root access, if you get a root shell back in the same terminal after. < 1536021548 586969 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should exec them, or flush the terminal after, or run them in script, or run them piped through cat, etc. < 1536021601 811885 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll end the rant about arcane potentially malicious uses of terminals in linux now. < 1536021608 656673 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just too late. < 1536021634 219065 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late in the night that is. < 1536021635 893597 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536021852 687664 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ☆ < 1536021853 836817 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twinkle, twinkle, little star! < 1536022606 256191 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536022666 930509 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdsxvaedobqlbcrf NICK :Siddharth_Gautam < 1536022723 53205 :Siddharth_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdsxvaedobqlbcrf NICK :S_Gautam < 1536022752 764620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1536022872 421676 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536023147 500661 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 610 seconds < 1536023434 663166 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536023560 348661 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1536024393 187796 :l2y!~l2y@ah145065.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1536024427 180217 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536024466 470021 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536024686 255722 :l2y!~l2y@ah145065.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1536025682 592749 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Pelicero 5* 10New user account > 1536025820 885177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57514&oldid=57508 5* 03Pelicero 5* (+82) 10I added mine > 1536025935 415123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57515&oldid=57514 5* 03Pelicero 5* (+87) 10/* Introductions */ > 1536026623 322371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SeMo-PATH14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57516 5* 03Pelicero 5* (+2005) 10Created page with "'''SeMo-PATH''', is derivation of [[PATH]], that is a two-dimensional language inspired by [[Brainfuck]] and [[Befunge]]. Unlike PATH's environment, SeMo-PATH's consists of a..." < 1536026690 272084 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536026953 323507 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536027247 276471 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536027291 105838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should add escape codes to correct it in the banner before the login prompt < 1536027343 946504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ioctl is needed to fix it, then that program must be corrected to fix it. Possibly also a SysRq command should be added to reset it. > 1536028173 904988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57517&oldid=57425 5* 03Pelicero 5* (+16) 10/* S */ < 1536028526 869568 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536028743 901058 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536029281 521233 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536029564 414524 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536032736 933507 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdsxvaedobqlbcrf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536032968 442173 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536033059 246285 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536033117 888977 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536033322 222532 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536033420 844559 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536033553 281837 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536036505 191208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a implementation of modal types in Haskell, and then I looked someone else did the same thing; the difference is that I used different names, and also that they used StaticPtr but I used a class instead. < 1536038548 419312 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536039374 646844 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536039634 657834 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536039652 668950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a book from library I found this chess problem (B.S. Barrett, 1874): 8/8/8/8/8/8/ppQKPPP1/k7 < 1536040192 772106 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-laclxbirbdrilcfw QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536040192 772183 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1536040192 772212 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sihzitrkjuarjtzd JOIN :#esoteric < 1536040192 772238 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sihzitrkjuarjtzd NICK :Guest61065 < 1536040192 772263 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1536040192 772290 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536040192 772316 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe NICK :Lymia < 1536042245 345688 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536042327 403359 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536042578 270565 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536044950 202565 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1536045321 378082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57518&oldid=57475 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-73) 10Remove link to old stub > 1536045674 512684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57519&oldid=57518 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+48) 10Note a minor difference < 1536046681 601508 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvpxgedxwvakfzgv JOIN :#esoteric < 1536046749 932002 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536046800 406198 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536047432 220225 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nglwjotekldefcbu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536048664 310069 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536048907 322420 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536049671 500336 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536050316 15941 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536051434 766970 :PrettyKittie27!~PrettyKit@p573202-ipngn200413matuyama.ehime.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1536051481 263964 :PrettyKittie27!~PrettyKit@p573202-ipngn200413matuyama.ehime.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536051985 202650 :21WAABEOK!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536054668 200621 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536054828 641226 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "You should add escape codes to correct it in the banner before the login prompt" => correct what exactly? just the palette? at a login prompt, that barely helps, since the user that has logged in previously on the console had ioctl access, and could mess up the console worse than that. < 1536054928 193600 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I just want to output untrusted character stream to the console (such as from a telnet connection to a nethack server), then there are much better solutions (wrapping in screen, using a real terminal emulator). < 1536055644 523731 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cheap feature phone has a hard limit of up to 24 characters inclusive for the name in phonebook entries, and it's hard to associate additional data to the entry other than one name and one phone number. < 1536055647 632846 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what character set the name uses, but it's converted to and from utf-8 it writes or reads the backup, and I could make my own backup with my tool and it read that correctly. < 1536055760 445473 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sometimes I have use creative abbreviations for the name. The name I would use if there weren't such a low limit can be long either because it's some dept in some government-related or commercial organization, and those tend to have ugly names, or because I add notes to many people for where I know them from, because I can't recall who all perso < 1536055760 575815 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nal names refer to. < 1536060530 820612 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536064572 887666 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xogscmbmnfqsftfs JOIN :#esoteric < 1536065258 807713 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvpxgedxwvakfzgv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536065306 151067 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? font < 1536065307 385060 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ < 1536065466 44759 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: do you happen to know is there's a circled check mark dingbat unicode character that's supported in many fonts? < 1536065550 48543 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used "(✓)" as a workaround < 1536066781 200610 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536067398 968660 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536067416 407912 :PlasmaStar7!~PlasmaSta@62.182.71.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536067426 889657 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536067461 277565 :PlasmaStar7!~PlasmaSta@62.182.71.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536068008 88169 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1536069756 740441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ✓ < 1536069757 589533 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2713 CHECK MARK] < 1536069779 394596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a ✓ b = exp (log b / a) in 3 ✓ 27 < 1536069781 312403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0000000000000004 < 1536069866 292414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a √ b = exp (log b / a) in 3 √ 27 -- more appropriate < 1536069868 371357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0000000000000004 < 1536069875 417192 :Sophira5!~Sophira@121.175.254.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536069930 363930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (∞) = id in sin ∞ 1 < 1536069932 477667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8414709848078965 < 1536069963 224261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell allows pretty weird infix operators. < 1536069981 404169 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you tell the precedence? < 1536069985 926699 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think U+2713 originates as an encoding of MS Wingdings font's \xFC < 1536069996 136289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: infixl 9 unless explicitly declared < 1536070011 365572 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1536070042 959965 :Sophira5!~Sophira@121.175.254.196 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536070067 428608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (♘) = (++) in text $ "♚" ♘ "♛" < 1536070069 98698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ♚♛ < 1536070125 851063 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS's Symbol and Wingdings fonts were in wide use before Unicode, so they just encoded all the characters that didn't obviously correspond to some already encoded character (like a greek letter) early in unicode < 1536070161 405998 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: infixl 9 is how Haskell declares precedence (here: 9) and fixity (here: left) < 1536070213 814411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm fixity = associativity. < 1536070222 507088 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whereas Symbol mostly has characters they'd already encode, plus some fragment glyph thingies used for drawing large parenthesis and the like in equations, Wingdings is mostly symbols that wouldn't have otherwise had an encoding. < 1536070225 743135 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I'm wrong < 1536070312 304098 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno really how this worked. < 1536070348 355996 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wingdings is one of those stupid encodings like cp1250 to which MS added new characters later, and called the new version under the same name. < 1536070403 590743 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think these fonts worked < 1536070406 830532 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1536070409 621328 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right. the only other programming language I know of that supports such infix precedence declarations is prolog. < 1536070453 806423 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked without knowing which of byte encodings are used < 1536070468 139920 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes. < 1536070484 291592 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: there was no unicode support back then. you just chose the right font for formatted text. < 1536070515 686083 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so that question about native encoding of the font is not so correct < 1536070613 31920 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: sure. but unicode wants to encode characters that are already used, and those characters were already used in formatted text of various formats, including RTF, word doc, and HTML < 1536070620 32698 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by setting the font < 1536070703 645156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536070743 672936 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were web browsers before unicode, and people used a or various amp-escapes of which there were so many they wouldn't fit in the normal 8-bit encoding. < 1536070758 468099 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of those were used to write an alpha and similar symbols. < 1536070813 84841 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree < 1536070910 169883 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was a parallel incompatible set of IBM/DOS, Windows, and pre-OS-X Mac 8-bit encodings and fonts, plus various east asian encodings and different versions of software supporting that that I don't know much about < 1536070971 400240 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can mostly use the same DOS and Windows 3.11 installation to support western, eastern, and cyrillic encodings, of the IBM/DOS and Windows versions, but not the iso-8859 or Mac encodings. But I can't use the same software to support east asian encodings. < 1536071018 734463 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's knobs to be turned for choosing between the three regions (west-europe latin, east-europe latin, cyrillic). < 1536071159 927007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536071233 200528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536072571 305232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536072634 251250 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536075262 497307 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536075911 352953 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536076577 415633 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536076715 399324 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536076764 558785 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1536076773 215398 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536078106 562397 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536080122 534684 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536082610 152583 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1536082675 183713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57520&oldid=57511 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+194) 10More words < 1536084236 913677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536084237 4299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536084237 4335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536085160 73715 :Namarrgon11!~Namarrgon@87-119-250-173.saransk.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536085378 656704 :Esqapezord!~quassel@bzq-79-183-108-244.red.bezeqint.net QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1536085384 131450 :Zooklubba14!~Zooklubba@LFbn-1-13749-bdcst.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1536085445 51255 :Namarrgon11!~Namarrgon@87-119-250-173.saransk.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536085677 349660 :Zooklubba14!~Zooklubba@LFbn-1-13749-bdcst.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536086187 47248 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :deontology vs. ontology: who’ll win?! < 1536086604 439836 :Blacksilver!~Blacksilv@174-138-208-184.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536089551 967675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536090421 848622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536092001 901822 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@5.174.135.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536092007 730955 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@5.174.135.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1536092023 705922 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@5.174.135.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not entirely esoteric but you may find the concept interesting: https://gist.github.com/beyondlimits/e00159460b55ea4eff949933a2b7dc8e < 1536093338 322218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1536093528 326491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536093684 814256 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@5.174.135.16 QUIT :Quit: TheWild < 1536094545 418514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536095005 948535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536095424 539570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536095424 627966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536095424 628016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536096927 451406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 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:Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536100878 490472 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1536101475 932643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536102756 325271 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com NICK :puck < 1536103174 332936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536103910 966513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1536104016 418387 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536104044 202395 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536104389 241405 :21WAABEOK!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536104567 365834 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536104611 982417 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536104871 341612 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:heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gcbtpnkbqktkoeyu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536105885 812335 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gcbtpnkbqktkoeyu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536106006 110463 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pimurlsltbgwweqk JOIN :#esoteric < 1536106124 209314 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pfgemevpfsmigxta JOIN :#esoteric < 1536106135 302559 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heroux_: *cough* < 1536106150 692240 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heroux_: *cough* < 1536106153 482196 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1536106158 746465 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heroux: *cough* < 1536106180 206449 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536106456 203957 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536106564 668133 :boars!~boars@77.31.2.98 JOIN 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:Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1536110043 187512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why did heroux_ get double-coughed?! < 1536110062 996566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM05_SEFeqk < 1536110456 271459 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536110502 170700 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mis-tab-expansion < 1536110952 308638 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536111534 57866 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is ripe for picking < 1536111536 94881 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is ripe for picking < 1536112262 559738 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536112318 239724 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536112318 543460 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536112576 224695 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536112881 464329 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536113691 397926 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536113760 298429 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536114646 406473 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536114912 350730 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536115416 225362 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536115416 225444 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536115516 318586 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1536115521 579749 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536115521 651909 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536115581 768811 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plrecdalpiufkmfb JOIN :#esoteric < 1536115685 812345 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1536115823 429505 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1536116255 356246 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536116428 301116 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536117648 544005 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536117660 487017 :Quokka19!~Quokka@i15-les01-t2-31-35-95-123.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1536117829 399647 :Quokka19!~Quokka@i15-les01-t2-31-35-95-123.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536118249 511116 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:4d0:6fe6:b404:4255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536119467 323842 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536119592 258442 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536119775 503016 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536120153 848061 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536120436 134307 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1536120993 349458 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536121233 989519 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1536121247 281439 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536122587 410561 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536122817 381364 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536125210 198679 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1536125299 163607 :darxun16!~darxun@156.221.52.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536125353 832044 :darxun16!~darxun@156.221.52.13 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536125596 6778 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fzmnopphcquteojb QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536127333 870733 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536127622 726435 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536128156 253967 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xogscmbmnfqsftfs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536128699 825048 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536128990 683663 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536129801 334147 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agvouhywzshlxewr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536130976 284828 :Bahhumbug4!~Bahhumbug@91.99.28.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536131260 737725 :Bahhumbug4!~Bahhumbug@91.99.28.28 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536131567 175179 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pfgemevpfsmigxta QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536131584 458402 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nlwyslifvnlpuood JOIN :#esoteric < 1536131968 712341 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536133090 233043 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536133768 273673 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nlwyslifvnlpuood QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536133769 508614 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pimurlsltbgwweqk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536133777 713049 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xovtsjneweaxoetd JOIN :#esoteric < 1536133825 356453 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zexiatmuirxlwjpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1536133910 594420 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536134220 369701 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536135654 347845 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-133-49-189.range86-133.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be at the Retro Computer Festival in Cambridge on 15th September if anyone else is planning to go http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/43210/Retro-Computer-Festival-2018-15th-16th-September/ < 1536136634 594579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: ooh, I didn't realise that was happening! < 1536136713 290065 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll try to go < 1536136722 3237 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do live in Cambridge, after all) < 1536136873 378080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1536136873 457600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1536136978 283120 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536137190 459634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask What's the username of the month twh < 1536137190 543642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1536137236 575836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dowg password < 1536137236 642348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: yow docs do < 1536137243 22601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password < 1536137245 116822 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11619:2018-09-05 learn The password of the month is ripe for picking \ 11587:2018-08-03 learn The password of the month is alphanumer1c. \ 11584:2018-07-20 learn The password of the month will be short-lived. \ 11570:2018-06-03 learn The password of the month is illegal in six US states and Saudi Arabia \ 11544:2018-05-05 learn The password of the month is . \ 11509:2018-04-14 slwd pa < 1536137265 336087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was < 1536137376 47623 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536137453 456157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What's not going to answer your question hth < 1536137554 951508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know how to respond to that < 1536137576 844335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was a clever meta-joke where you didn't include the username in the @ask? < 1536137605 661020 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan What's the username of the month twh < 1536137605 767689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1536137618 359816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man < 1536137622 216786 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah, I missed that and thought you were just doing a who's on first < 1536137662 276163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, when oerjan reads the logs he'll see my question twice and be only half as inclined to answer it < 1536137677 210524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :baseball is too complicated for me hth < 1536137797 479955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is mutable < 1536140149 259454 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536140362 191738 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? secret handshake < 1536140363 719408 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :secret handshake? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536140367 290797 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? secret handshake of the month < 1536140368 586614 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :secret handshake of the month? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536140370 298748 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password of the month < 1536140371 447827 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :password of the month? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536140373 783118 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1536140374 898732 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is ripe for picking < 1536140398 752794 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think that worked < 1536140463 270022 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536140507 308363 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate tWR8rveNFOBO as the password of the month < 1536140814 552807 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zexiatmuirxlwjpa QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536140825 745989 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xovtsjneweaxoetd QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536140833 988725 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xgibqyghqzdnexxy JOIN :#esoteric < 1536140858 334316 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kfxpxukoxsmyzioh JOIN :#esoteric < 1536140989 828918 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xgibqyghqzdnexxy QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536140991 658473 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kfxpxukoxsmyzioh QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536141130 59233 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pajwirsxhbkvxasi JOIN :#esoteric < 1536141160 325979 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zozrrgqyxmdobrvc JOIN :#esoteric < 1536141252 770939 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pajwirsxhbkvxasi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536141259 637783 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zozrrgqyxmdobrvc NICK :heroux < 1536141433 231788 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-euyqkfczvtshbtbs JOIN :#esoteric < 1536141463 397647 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-euyqkfczvtshbtbs QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536141463 634652 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zozrrgqyxmdobrvc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536141485 455849 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ldyvkscjfqmojhyc JOIN :#esoteric < 1536141607 688517 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ldyvkscjfqmojhyc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536141730 55693 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-emnzygssuggaxfiw JOIN :#esoteric < 1536141779 435319 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-idgthdysgdcrukpq JOIN :#esoteric < 1536142368 905546 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@goole tWR8rveNFOBO < 1536142369 350191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1536142383 858475 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, then what's the point < 1536142455 47369 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's a password. it's supposed to be secret. < 1536142468 578027 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a priori unguessable. < 1536142477 19758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: but I think the agreement is to only update that file once in each calendar month. (though I've violated that rule at least once) < 1536142501 127017 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: has it been updated in September yet? < 1536142504 243843 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: anyway that doesn't meet my standards for a password of the month. < 1536142509 23554 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, oerjan updated it < 1536142533 499832 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check. because I think he only failed to update it < 1536142558 818037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1536142559 965243 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is ripe for picking < 1536142579 586153 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1536142582 164411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autumn themed. < 1536142584 307295 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was updated in september < 1536142615 924729 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think we've seen better pootms. < 1536142666 812871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -l quotes < 1536142667 762510 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1327 quotes > 1536144676 207814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57521&oldid=57505 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (-69) 10/* Commands */ BIG MISTAKE < 1536148387 490607 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote password < 1536148388 333777 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536148391 190023 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? handshake < 1536148392 266691 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :handshake? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536148527 672024 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536148921 79086 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536149035 334077 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536151220 196221 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CA42.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536151274 564212 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536152658 242653 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqhqxgygcelqyuhv JOIN :#esoteric < 1536152933 607879 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jpeyqkpogoqwkwpb JOIN :#esoteric < 1536153799 732898 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536153812 261617 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/electro-sutra/ < 1536153813 145169 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/electro-sutra/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale < 1536154018 710911 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536154201 750435 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536154641 718835 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536155143 267811 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 615 seconds < 1536155316 559111 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536155432 598864 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536155955 602810 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536156110 598423 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536158121 592377 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536158177 747785 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1536159218 951315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Digital Hunter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57522&oldid=56360 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+81) 10/* Stuff */ < 1536159634 846070 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1536160264 33847 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536160646 201913 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536164047 203930 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536164149 401192 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536164151 803570 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1536164171 276543 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536164368 326224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1139 < 1536164368 987437 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1139: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1536164799 871982 :Guest39584!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles NICK :ocharles < 1536166900 631375 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CA42.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536168615 508897 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536169067 578852 :ep100!c553e29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.83.226.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536169208 603860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536169966 859889 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536172173 189713 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-emnzygssuggaxfiw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536172173 258278 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-idgthdysgdcrukpq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536172183 751204 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mwpfnzzxahnekcfe JOIN :#esoteric < 1536172219 797393 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-elnhccjbqumkrymh JOIN :#esoteric < 1536172832 251783 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536173542 481878 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-133-49-189.range86-133.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are categories on the wiki working correctly? E.g. Fungewars is tagged as being in the Programming Games category, but when I visit the category it's not listed. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fungewars < 1536174510 336022 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536175322 304167 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536175415 675373 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1536175431 927885 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqhqxgygcelqyuhv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536175629 404293 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536176397 41339 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1536176507 688353 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536177195 391550 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536177467 267579 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536177672 268049 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536177713 462448 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536177754 604851 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536177780 314929 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536177822 597892 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536178126 251779 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536178272 377984 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536180551 295174 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536182767 239659 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536183023 98155 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536183271 988282 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1536183682 252114 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536183956 509342 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536184025 739905 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536184089 507462 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536184146 353834 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536184470 751288 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536184641 91507 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric < 1536184745 870115 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536184867 314005 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536185207 755205 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1536188522 649155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536189136 700315 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536190074 269872 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536190328 235108 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536190740 531143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536190834 535545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was certainly an olist < 1536192158 535976 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536192319 474939 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-elnhccjbqumkrymh QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536192319 565045 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mwpfnzzxahnekcfe QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536192331 295482 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gdwgqqzcqqdsmcau JOIN :#esoteric < 1536192337 746210 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yycaajbcvqpgrbpy JOIN :#esoteric < 1536192441 502281 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536192910 318853 :ep100!c553e29f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.83.226.159 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1536192928 505735 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1536194131 521360 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536194149 696615 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536194256 514721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536194348 288056 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536194426 701997 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536194520 567089 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536195215 964612 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yycaajbcvqpgrbpy QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536195216 282826 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gdwgqqzcqqdsmcau QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1536195229 278857 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hhmkeijclkitvhyb JOIN :#esoteric < 1536195236 87448 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-srslkubsvspyrlhb JOIN :#esoteric < 1536195710 317457 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536196098 942045 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536196157 192922 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kakjniahagmdykfp JOIN :#esoteric < 1536196226 142857 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though I think we've seen better pootms. <-- it was sort of alluding to how no one else did it even though i waiting 5 days < 1536196276 302949 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-bold < 1536196276 372400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 16h 17m 50s ago: What's the username of the month twh < 1536196282 25881 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? username < 1536196283 123415 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :username? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536196301 140062 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb available hth < 1536196301 205122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1536196364 909811 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1536196365 726031 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ i​n​t​-​e​ < 1536196376 231499 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i won't tell him, then. < 1536196684 616893 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536196784 822503 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1536196813 48394 :Gregor!~Gregor@2605:2700:0:17:a800:ff:fe3e:ad41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536197042 165071 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1536197049 695186 :Gregor!~Gregor@2605:2700:0:17:a800:ff:fe3e:ad41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536197113 314632 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1536198480 630478 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536198762 454150 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536199680 439522 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell john_metcalf There's a caching issue with categories when viewed by non-logged in users. < 1536199680 616746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1536200070 181989 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: sprocklem < 1536201308 167186 :^v!~pixel@2601:184:4781:81a:175:feff:df6f:19ef JOIN :#esoteric < 1536201342 118972 :^v!~pixel@2601:184:4781:81a:175:feff:df6f:19ef PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here good at lambda calculus < 1536201373 490322 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536201549 582565 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536202493 956080 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536202704 490416 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536203115 999242 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536203443 493680 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1536204125 425142 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/coroutine.h is a thing I learned exists < 1536204795 489417 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536205068 329794 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536205732 333110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536206199 174811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536206383 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QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536224368 928512 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536224887 398524 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536224924 343424 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536225178 356061 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536225608 488154 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536226652 371626 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536226907 474274 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536227410 489164 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536227689 470128 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536227689 919191 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-srslkubsvspyrlhb QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536227690 142204 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-eeluvdvlxhpddcik NICK :heroux < 1536227703 136242 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nsnnbyflonwxjuiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1536227716 961828 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536228825 920683 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536229020 971484 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536231518 28977 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536232441 44624 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536232650 969988 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536232955 55921 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mscuckeibprjbeca QUIT :Changing host < 1536232955 191527 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536232955 285574 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1536232955 285630 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mscuckeibprjbeca JOIN :#esoteric < 1536233897 314270 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536233925 903397 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536234169 14090 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536234252 384059 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536234330 906397 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1536235489 472382 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536237414 929941 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vkbqjhpenmsxzfpk JOIN :#esoteric < 1536237749 347873 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536239309 43613 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536240543 408774 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536240564 495030 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536240680 30903 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fefwkosbpkqekfqo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536241035 46312 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nsnnbyflonwxjuiq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536241051 581441 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dnzgwiptezmjukzy JOIN :#esoteric < 1536241382 416503 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536241537 94364 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxkbilmjzucdfnkw JOIN :#esoteric < 1536241593 845741 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric > 1536242748 656516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Shakespeare14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57523&oldid=19987 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+354) 10/* Shakespeare Turing Complete? */ < 1536243008 707429 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-eeluvdvlxhpddcik QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536243009 181994 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dnzgwiptezmjukzy QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536243020 288310 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kosmfsgzizdenwfv JOIN :#esoteric < 1536243055 527670 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ublyxizdxorjhvtn JOIN :#esoteric < 1536245028 293256 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536245880 702577 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vkbqjhpenmsxzfpk QUIT : < 1536246050 881682 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.9.1" < 1536246111 748225 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-atsxalljvxqucbns JOIN :#esoteric < 1536247683 588235 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536248464 708491 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536249165 721050 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536249332 513267 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536250880 56479 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxkbilmjzucdfnkw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536251362 314177 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536251982 116841 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536251987 493195 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536254413 780672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536256952 276012 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536264842 432037 :wob_jonas!b03f18ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536264947 987603 :wob_jonas!b03f18ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, schachaf: tom7 left a few new comments about ''Running out of space'' in http://radar.spacebar.org/f/a/weblog/comment/1/1160 . Nothing surprising or revealing, just mentioning it. < 1536264953 316240 :wob_jonas!b03f18ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell schachaf tom7 left a few new comments about ''Running out of space'' in http://radar.spacebar.org/f/a/weblog/comment/1/1160 . Nothing surprising or revealing, just mentioning it. < 1536264953 316299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1536265294 768657 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536265616 409567 :wob_jonas!b03f18ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.236 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536267026 443061 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536267055 326656 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536267479 739216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536267592 782871 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536267694 713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536267694 94546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536267694 94584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536267738 934586 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mscuckeibprjbeca QUIT :Excess Flood < 1536267812 775087 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jekfdladlfvbquqc JOIN :#esoteric < 1536269195 284465 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1536270510 98118 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric < 1536270948 499549 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536271114 373164 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536271362 305457 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrainykeluhikinf JOIN :#esoteric < 1536272180 377462 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536272728 332893 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536274246 558884 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1536274264 619174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536275480 556747 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536276435 493182 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536276723 495881 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536278187 466393 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536278190 66101 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536278565 585090 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas when @telling shachaf, it might help to spell his name correctly hth < 1536278565 719280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1536278583 909717 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr you get pinged on -chaf, so that should still work < 1536278605 458741 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you weren't suspiciously idle, anyway < 1536278755 501985 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536279007 541271 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1536279175 172441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57524&oldid=57521 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+1) 10/* Overview */ > 1536280500 902048 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57525&oldid=57524 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+858) 10 < 1536284511 504294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536284578 434373 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536285039 408293 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536285303 352739 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536287906 548302 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536288140 515061 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrainykeluhikinf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536288459 349266 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536289164 495058 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536289683 845884 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dhaxwncttnwhgqde JOIN :#esoteric < 1536290814 492814 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536291391 818563 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536291668 834946 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536293182 474093 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536294415 366344 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536294807 507457 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536296978 972622 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536297162 910163 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536297461 576246 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dhaxwncttnwhgqde QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536297688 297871 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536297717 856187 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536297996 186690 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-atsxalljvxqucbns QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536298014 867833 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536298371 464032 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536299006 414408 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536299366 186406 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1536300649 864826 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1536301148 601352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57526&oldid=57525 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+33) 10 > 1536301369 914748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57527&oldid=57417 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (-4803) 10 < 1536301514 242141 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536301568 410556 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1536302462 674722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57528&oldid=57526 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (-53) 10/* Interpreter Development */ < 1536302676 726763 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536302944 778706 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536305869 891604 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536306132 851660 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536310953 360505 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536311594 861776 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536311884 915616 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536312317 791451 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536312435 246046 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536312543 807015 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536316082 785758 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536316126 645009 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, good idea < 1536316140 920277 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tom7 left a few new comments about ''Running out of space'' in http://radar.spacebar.org/f/a/weblog/comment/1/1160 . Nothing surprising or revealing, just mentioning it. < 1536316150 231419 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno why I misspelled his name the last time < 1536316553 543546 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536316767 944118 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1536317088 913995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57529&oldid=57528 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+198) 10/* External Links */ < 1536317573 31000 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536317751 696475 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1536317752 706163 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :94) alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia \ 302) oerjan you're swedish, right? < 1536317790 940824 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536317885 810410 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536317904 494699 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536317905 444539 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536318159 495890 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536320222 208911 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1536320224 51930 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1141) kmc: I don't need any of your organ at this time. \ 315) Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose. < 1536320354 331808 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 4 < 1536320354 963292 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. < 1536320379 581635 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's Maurice's main rule in the Terry Pratchett book < 1536320763 356720 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` quote 8; quote 29 < 1536320765 877942 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 29) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list < 1536321101 798292 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536321460 795038 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536321491 183632 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu > 1536322671 769438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57530&oldid=55118 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+158) 10 > 1536322837 244647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57531&oldid=57527 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+282) 10 < 1536323024 711687 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` quote 70 # this actually explains like half of the quotes file < 1536323025 438153 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :70) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future < 1536323732 543656 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536324639 417379 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` allquotes | perl -we 'while() { my%l; while(m(<([-0-9A-z]{1,16})>)g) { $l{$1}++ } $f{$_}++ for keys%l; } for $n (sort {$f{$b}<=>$f{$a}} keys %f) { print qq($f{$n} $n\n) }' | sport < 1536324640 568806 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/5:103 zzo38 \ 101 fungot \ 95 Phantom_Hoover \ 92 elliott \ 88 ais523 \ 81 fizzie \ 77 kmc \ 67 oklopol \ 58 Bike \ 55 oerjan \ 54 Sgeo \ 52 Taneb \ 45 olsner \ 41 Gregor \ 41 shachaf \ 40 monqy \ 26 boily \ 22 Vorpal \ 21 itidus20 \ 14 tswett \ 14 pikhq \ 14 itidus21 \ 13 int-e \ 13 cpressey \ 13 Ngevd \ 11 ehird \ 11 Jafet \ 10 HackEgo \ 10 coppro \ 9 elliott_ \ 9 hppavilion[1] \ 9 alise \ 9 oklofok \ 9 Warrigal \ 8 NihilistDandy \ 7 Phantom__Hoover \ < 1536324644 33369 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1536324644 777195 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/5:7 GreyKnight \ 7 quintopia \ 7 crystal-cola \ 7 Fiora \ 7 Deewiant \ 7 Sgeo_ \ 6 AnMaster \ 6 nddrylliog \ 6 ion \ 6 Patashu \ 5 ZOMGMODULES \ 5 b_jonas \ 5 CakeProphet \ 5 EgoBot \ 4 fax \ 4 augur \ 4 Quas_NaArt \ 4 \oren\ \ 4 oren \ 3 mroman_ \ 3 MDude \ 3 hagb4rd \ 3 Slereah \ 3 kallisti \ 3 nooga \ 3 ais523_ \ 3 Madelon \ 2 c00kiemon5ter \ 2 lambdabot \ 2 wob_jonas \ 2 Koen_ \ 2 lexande \ 2 apollo \ 2 izabera \ 2 j-invariant \ 2 prooftechnique \ 2 < 1536324667 994090 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Nicks appearing the most frequently in quotes. sorry for pinging everyone. < 1536324719 274144 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote crystal-cola < 1536324719 912395 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :278) anyway I've stopped ``trolling'' since apparently you guys don't like me claiming obviously false and absurd claims \ 286) I just thought you might have meant the Ramanujan tau and I was WOAH he weilds heavy weapons \ 287) http://www.sessionmagazine.com/img/nature/worlds-10-smallest-animals/worlds-10-smallest-animals07.jpg worlds biggest thumb \ 288) what telne < 1536324894 273821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I could do better < 1536325298 955779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in general, but also re: how quotable I've been < 1536325331 680124 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're more wisdommable though < 1536325357 358047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom isn't everything < 1536325365 995462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? everything < 1536325367 83785 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536325383 199341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, apparently, everything isn't wisdom < 1536325386 188823 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: according to a quick and dirty regex /\bTane[bl]/i , you are in 73 out of 1543 wisdom entries, not counting symlinks and that reflection thingy < 1536325432 336358 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about 1/21 < 1536325528 517225 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in out of 1327 quotes < 1536325583 284392 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) and in 58 out of 1327 quotes < 1536325689 236212 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about 1/23 < 1536325710 816284 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those numbers are quite close, I wonder if they correspond to how relatively active I am in some way? < 1536325876 39840 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no. other regulars that appear near the top list of the quote statistics appear in very few wisdoms. < 1536325949 33767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that is true, the tanebventions are an anomaly < 1536325962 744602 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my regexes are very approximate of course, and I'm still checking < 1536326139 690106 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're in a lot of wisdoms because they talk a lot about your inventions < 1536326372 541826 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are only 9 wisdoms in which zzo38 appears: rdf; zzo38mtg; farbfeld; zzo38mtg.php; zzo38; amigamml; zzo38card; gopher; danddreclist; 9/1543 < 1536326398 679512 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And me and zzo38 are probably responsible for half of those < 1536326458 786077 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38mtg < 1536326459 932208 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt < 1536326460 943899 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38mtg.php < 1536326462 199234 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php > 1536326539 308858 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57532 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+171) 10Created page with "'''Pxemex18''' is a programming language designed by [[User:YamTokWae]] in 2018. This is a extended and standardized version of [[Pxem]], which was made in 2008 by ." < 1536326539 675691 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that last part is not true > 1536326552 822019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57533&oldid=57532 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+2) 10 < 1536326598 95875 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` hg log wisdom/zzo38 < 1536326599 287475 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 0:e037173e0012 \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Feb 16 19:42:32 2012 +0000 \ summary: Initial import. < 1536326617 414958 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Is our hackeso history truncated? Or was wisdom/zzo38 always there? < 1536326620 293779 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38 < 1536326621 395859 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem. < 1536326629 891827 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems strange < 1536326647 497615 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps it predates HackEgo? < 1536326672 9222 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wisdom database older than HackEgo? < 1536326697 914065 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know HackEgo started as a more versatile replacement for some other bot, and the `! command that we almost never use is a remnant of that < 1536326700 172827 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `! < 1536326701 281092 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`! is a command that runs interpreters. Supposedly. Nobody actually uses it, or knows how it works. It has some historical significance, where it originally replaced some previous bot of #esoteric that was not as customizable as HackEgo. < 1536326709 264453 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's mine < 1536326715 951539 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who knows anything about that < 1536326730 982318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was EgoBot, right? < 1536326745 673226 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1536326748 349922 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1536326849 662681 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the history is also truncated < 1536326922 129578 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to logs, HackEgo existed in some form back in 2010, but the HackEso hg history seems to start in 2011 < 1536326950 419144 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean according to channel logs < 1536327140 686139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It predates me, but not by much, in that case > 1536327252 670760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57534&oldid=57529 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+176) 10/* External Links */ GREAT WORK! < 1536327292 804030 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010 is just an upper bound < 1536327296 907567 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably already exists earlier < 1536327322 309125 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a copy of the logs (I should download one and upload it to hackeso so we can use it to loggrep) and was lazy to check < 1536327402 747349 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536327449 603632 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536327663 735449 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536328444 986161 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536328614 376963 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536329053 369005 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536329461 781561 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536329704 742965 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536332554 905488 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536332609 752004 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536332773 2102 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536332854 775557 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536333512 510108 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536334646 494394 :user24!~void@p200300886900BF00B5ABE6A3213E0539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536334899 406369 :Guest61065!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sihzitrkjuarjtzd QUIT : < 1536334922 938380 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ollzdqfyxysmhduc JOIN :#esoteric < 1536334960 576015 :user24!~void@p200300886900BF00B5ABE6A3213E0539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536334976 770090 :user24!~void@p200300886900BF00B5ABE6A3213E0539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536335015 44588 :user24!~void@p200300886900BF00B5ABE6A3213E0539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1536335814 799815 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536335934 950432 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ezdajerlhkocwlhz JOIN :#esoteric < 1536336006 958488 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536336314 494281 :user24!~void@p200300886900BF00B5ABE6A3213E0539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536336794 640947 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536338044 384938 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536338106 802453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite does not have something like NATURAL JOIN but for INSERT statements, so that it uses all columns that exist in both the SELECT and in the table (or view) being inserted into and use default values for others. < 1536338882 575297 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536338908 492452 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536339192 497245 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536339344 740992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536339662 69912 :user24!~void@p200300886900BF00B5ABE6A3213E0539.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536340421 976841 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536341084 806607 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpfzpoujijptrlgn JOIN :#esoteric < 1536341156 526152 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536341176 857496 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536341237 345506 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536341270 490865 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536342051 460133 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536342116 650517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536342142 145474 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpfzpoujijptrlgn NICK :SGautam < 1536342188 426032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536342226 518840 :SGautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpfzpoujijptrlgn NICK :S_Guatam < 1536342373 984388 :S_Guatam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpfzpoujijptrlgn QUIT :Changing host < 1536342373 984445 :S_Guatam!uid286066@unaffiliated/gautams JOIN :#esoteric < 1536342374 119515 :S_Guatam!uid286066@unaffiliated/gautams QUIT :Changing host < 1536342374 119565 :S_Guatam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpfzpoujijptrlgn JOIN :#esoteric < 1536342381 540380 :S_Guatam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpfzpoujijptrlgn NICK :S_Gautam < 1536342869 403838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1536342869 897573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1536342869 991257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1536351262 851300 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kpfzpoujijptrlgn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536353340 387910 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536353349 818390 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-czkgwhdqidmziiyd JOIN :#esoteric < 1536353529 925973 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.141.237.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536353753 512281 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1536357338 864733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57535&oldid=57531 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+240) 10 < 1536357693 480551 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536357804 385077 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536358489 67918 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric < 1536359439 120437 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1536360394 741703 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536360729 464747 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-133-49-189.range86-133.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536361632 144526 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536361828 452170 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536362301 383708 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: SQLite does not have something like NATURAL JOIN but for INSERT statements => < 1536362303 4264 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it doesn't have that. and that's sort of a good thing too, because the column name is undefined and may change in different versions if the values in a SELECT clause have expressions with no AS output name and aren't simple column loads. < 1536362350 627894 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it had such a feature, the column names from the select expression could change in future versions and break the statement. < 1536362451 970022 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously this can also happen in a NATURAL JOIN with SELECT too if you use sub-select inside FROM sources, or even without a join if you just use a sub-select source and refer to its columns < 1536362510 328316 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it can also happen with a view, because you can omit the column names from a CREATE VIEW definition and let it decide from the SELECT statement that backs it. < 1536362639 638165 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would perhaps be best if all those undefined names were inaccessible by column name in the SQL statement itself, and only visible from the C api like sqlite3_column_name and from introspection, but changing that now would also break some scripts that use the existing names. < 1536362668 395721 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So those column names are officially undefined, but in simpler cases they rarely change. < 1536362704 407697 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the doc also doesn't clearly specify which column is chosen in some complicated queries when two columns with the same name are in scope. < 1536362992 992865 :wob_jonas!b03f1806@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.6 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536363556 903994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536364117 191612 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536365662 913507 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-czkgwhdqidmziiyd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536366216 664157 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536366243 294392 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1536368164 945457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536370475 530067 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536370729 31593 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I figured this was a better place to share < 1536370758 295661 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a really fast FRACTRAN interpreter, which for some programs is like, super duper fast < 1536370790 703643 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a bet with my friend that at least one person would give a shit about fractran < 1536370807 375919 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at this point I would even take a "thank you pimlu, very cool!" < 1536370816 427187 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's here https://pimlu.github.io/fractran/ < 1536370823 671320 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes the big O time complexity of your programs < 1536370960 758116 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can sometimes speed programs up by an exponential factor < 1536371582 64884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is blank < 1536371951 888737 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page? what browser are you using? < 1536372098 847122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HTML code is also blank except and <meta> < 1536372133 146605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using Firefox 39.0 < 1536372145 809102 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have JS enabled? otherwise it would be blank < 1536372214 802448 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should put some kind of noscript thing in there < 1536372230 194554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't a webpage be written in HTML? < 1536372239 117002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather than JavaScript) < 1536372275 15852 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, however since the interpreter runs in your browser, which needs JS, I just made the whole thing depend on it < 1536372300 921562 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to run it on desktop you can run the haskell natively, it's just kind of annoying and an obscure language < 1536372339 334583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Although you might want to only view the source code repository (hopefully there is one, if it is Github?) rather than to execute it < 1536372356 22493 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, https://github.com/pimlu/fractran < 1536372361 912672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will look < 1536372387 301905 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can read the code yourself, or take a look at the benchmarks at the end of the paper I attached in there < 1536372416 850800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have ghc in my computer < 1536372429 646470 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sweet haha < 1536372504 477508 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using haste to build it for the browser, which usually allows a lot more people to see your code < 1536372523 746890 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since people trust the browser sandbox and find urls and easy way to run code < 1536372531 974958 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprised it went the other way around this time < 1536372552 417085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time I have no intention to run the code, only to view it, anyways < 1536372562 352463 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1536372580 118672 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important bits are in Fractran.hs < 1536372592 141781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought so < 1536372614 706831 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly `leap` and `cycles` < 1536373009 399772 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilpigajfyiutxsbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536373256 712449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good. < 1536373265 488180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I read the explanation too) < 1536373626 654282 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the theory is solid, though the code needs cleanup < 1536373634 428867 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it all before my capstone deadline a while ago < 1536373642 956935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1536373680 105113 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1536373889 8213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I once wrote a golfed Fractran implementation with JavaScript (it is only a function and has no user interface), but cannot find it right now. < 1536374026 707758 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool. neat how simple turing complete architectures can be < 1536374608 219723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find this polyglot program I wrote though: select(typeof('\'')x){}/*'))where/*/main(){puts("Hello, World!");}//*/0;select'Hello, World!'; I also found a implementation of Unnecessary that I wrote: require("fs").stat(process.argv[2],x=>x._) < 1536374937 305465 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1536374980 642807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unnecessary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57536&oldid=53561 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+96) 10 < 1536375008 72664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found my Fractran implementation in JavaScript: (n,p,f=_=>p.some(([x,y])=>n*x%y?0:n=n*x/y)?f():n)=>f() < 1536375035 311012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1536375433 527838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it only work for numbers up to 2^52? < 1536375446 933869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan, hob_jonas, etc. < 1536375601 326991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is that problem yes, but later with new version of JavaScript with bigint, it can presumably work for numbers of any size. < 1536376141 918503 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1536376651 320766 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536377561 105355 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536378119 492266 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536380139 945088 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1536380343 495952 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536381707 426393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made scatter plotting in SQL < 1536382163 469393 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536382407 413388 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536383460 16058 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536383843 841499 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536384003 398144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 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1536399734 941998 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536399896 213235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1536400044 865365 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536400120 919522 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536400223 493815 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536404486 477761 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536407007 492845 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536407411 683237 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1536407798 738338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fractran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57537&oldid=41551 5* 03B jonas 5* (+98) 10+Fast fractran interpreter by pimlu < 1536408083 491633 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536408143 544181 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2666629/getting-hyper/ < 1536408144 357184 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ehlist: not found < 1536408205 944281 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pimlu: ah, as I was reading your lines, I was thinking ... there's no way I can tell if that fractran interpreter even works, let alone if it's really fast. we'll need someone who is crazy enough to have actually written nontrivial programs in fractran. maybe zzo38 has. but then I read the log further and indeed, zzo38 popped up on cue. < 1536408562 504917 :wob_jonas!b03f1848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: try looking at the article 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:Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536415264 111439 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536415410 619217 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru PART :#esoteric < 1536415420 539393 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536416681 335547 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536416941 924550 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ouaejgjsauxmhiyx JOIN :#esoteric < 1536420397 493017 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536422965 574690 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1536425061 473169 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1536425697 760214 :dfgb34!~ffdf@185.210.216.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536426340 861608 :dfgb34!~ffdf@185.210.216.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536429424 490333 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536432813 491490 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536433842 922298 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536435473 616398 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536436767 490105 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536436861 133321 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another crazy thing I learned about English today: a "stirrup jar" has nothing to do with a "stirrup". I got suspicious and looked up the meaning after the second document that talked about a "stirrup jar" as an archaeological find dated to bronze age civilizations. < 1536437162 700955 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536437872 863242 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1536437893 434466 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1536437907 651731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made enough SQLite extension that you can make this picture http://zzo38computer.org/img_1C/sinewave.png from the following SQL code: with x(x) as (select gr_plot(':width=160:height=150:pad=8:axis=00aa00:line=00ff00',value,sin(value*pi()),null) from range(-1,1,.05)) select pipe(x,'ffpng > sinewave.png') from x; < 1536437965 831545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1536438032 963762 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: great. that would probably take me over twenty minutes to reproduce with gnuplot, most of that spent in reading the manual for how to make the frame a dotted line, then giving up and removing the frame and addin a dotted rectangle object instead. < 1536438038 321001 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1536438055 520790 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's it all green on white by the way? that's not a good color. < 1536438062 931070 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536438089 800122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct, it isn't; with a black background it look better. Without a option ':bg=000000' it will be a transparent background. < 1536438110 424750 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... it's supposed to be transparent? let me check < 1536438128 348963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry I didn't fix it, since with my testing I did not see the error until I checked in the web browser. Still, even in the web browser you can use a data: URI in the location bar to force it to use your own background colour.) < 1536438157 657202 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it's transparent. Sorry. < 1536438213 843137 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it better. I'm not sure if I could make the gnuplot pngcairo engine use a transparent background. I'd guess no, but then I don't _want_ a plot on a transparent background either. < 1536438264 805221 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536438267 447441 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, that green on black would make sense. < 1536438354 7352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "xwindows" extension ignores the alpha channel, so it appears black if you write: insert into xwindows(picture) select gr_plot(...) < 1536438429 234610 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and adding a black background is easy in various ways, I just didn't realize it was a transparent image. < 1536440303 410199 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536440767 825378 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536440894 989480 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536441274 811025 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536441393 575275 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1536441404 958865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions should be added for other kind of plot too, and for axis labels, which currently doesn't have (except for a GR_PIE function which makes a simple pie chart without options or labels or anything like that) < 1536441411 496148 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536441598 571853 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1536441624 135470 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *will* be buying a new set of glasses this year after all. I was hoping I would be able to skip this year. < 1536441641 805344 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just dropped my glasses and broke the lens. < 1536441649 272895 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ set of/ pair of/ < 1536442268 967767 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536442271 13537 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double fuck. < 1536442280 934870 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin NICK :erkin < 1536442331 666577 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a hiss when I put all my weight on my exercise ball. It must have gotten a hole from a splinter of the broken glass lens. < 1536442476 384142 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, now I know what to tell my mother who keeps asking me what she could give me as a birthday present. I'd like a new exercise ball. < 1536442711 511240 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the hole. < 1536442823 714234 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me google if holes on exercise balls can be repaired with bicycle inner tire repair kits. < 1536443016 104855 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.exerciseball-gymball.com/exercise-ball-patch/ says "You can use a repair kit for inflatable boats. The patches are robust and durable. Bicycle patch also works, but is not quite as strong." < 1536443531 690997 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The air actually comes out even with no weight on the ball until the pressure drops such a low equilibrium that the ball is already a bit too deflated to comfortably sit on it. < 1536443595 398358 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me tyr to measure what that equilibrium is. < 1536443682 558639 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about this much (points at the ball). < 1536443697 506400 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536443740 402291 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see how long a dumb patch with a strip of PVC insulation tape would last if I sit on the ball. < 1536443773 209596 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that pressure that is equilibrium for no weight on the ball that is. < 1536445340 976154 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536446291 31671 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536447074 510276 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536447173 933186 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Insulation tape is still there, but the ball still leaks air quickly as I'm sitting on it. < 1536448684 947728 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536450916 458514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536451039 375352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536451080 670322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1536451080 807257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1536451090 484151 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536451098 389981 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523! < 1536451122 724332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1536451173 207479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the stalker server isn't connected, so maybe I'm not connected to IRC either < 1536451178 408027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536451193 148642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently my comments appear on the logs if I refresh the page < 1536451194 603666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I must be < 1536451256 163856 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536451284 292289 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know if you care about any of these things, but today *I* (1) found out that a week ago the National Museum of Brazil burned down, destroying most of a large collection of intellectually valuable items, which made me sad, (b) I broke a lens of my glasses, then immediately after that I got a hole on the exercise ball I was sitting on < 1536451284 386430 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, probably from a sharp splinter from the lens. < 1536451301 354267 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\(b\)/(2)/ < 1536451325 74269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it's important that for the future we try to store things in a form that's easily copiable < 1536451336 473116 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's perl regex syntax, not sed or ex... which one do we customarily use in s/// substitutions on IRC < 1536451337 507403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that we can have copies of them all over the place to help protect against disasters < 1536451349 687011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we mostly use PCRE here because we're more familiar with it < 1536451366 969873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Perl, Perl and PCRE are sufficiently similar that you need to know a lot about regexes to tell them apart < 1536451371 218986 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, very few people know how ex regexen wrok < 1536451389 786361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think it hardly care since usually you know by context since you are not using it as a computer code. < 1536451407 305907 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some people on #esoteric use sed in HackEso and don't like when I use perl in HackEso at the same time < 1536451408 573459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is more common though. < 1536451438 287732 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe those people would use sed regexen < 1536451450 190252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should use perl6 regex syntax, which is totally different from all the others < 1536451455 385996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that? Do they have both sed and perl in HackEso, I should think, then you can use whatever you use. < 1536451494 732143 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and wait, < 1536451499 430280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackeso has Perl installed < 1536451536 228252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have the latest version of SQLite on HaskEso? < 1536451540 575163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e $/.=x; print for 1..5; < 1536451541 382771 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345 < 1536451548 289099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1536451551 130679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e $\.=x; print for 1..5; < 1536451551 788388 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x2x3x4x5x < 1536451557 704024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e $\.=x, print for 1..5; < 1536451558 428033 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x2xx3xxx4xxxx5xxxxx < 1536451560 723015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1536451605 15582 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you'll actually care about this at least a bit: (3) what I learned about English today: a "stirrup jar" has nothing to do with a "stirrup". I got suspicious after reading two independent mentions about "stirrup jar" as an archaeological find dated to the bronze in short sequence, and so I looked up the meaning. < 1536451633 197649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of thing is not that surprising < 1536451638 672413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is not a very logical language < 1536451727 802358 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print unpack "x*(a*\@0X)*(a*@)*", "hello\n"; < 1536451728 775192 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ o \ lo \ llo \ ello \ hello \ ello \ llo \ lo \ o < 1536451829 648024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! jelly < 1536451830 318034 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/jelly: not found < 1536451835 978214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have some golfing language interpreters in there, really < 1536451845 606335 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `! < 1536451846 863857 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`! is a command that runs interpreters. Supposedly. Nobody actually uses it, or knows how it works. It has some historical significance, where it originally replaced some previous bot of #esoteric that was not as customizable as HackEgo. < 1536451882 95259 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ if you know any first-hand stuff about `! or that previous bot, perhaps you should edit some more truthful or more informative wisdom there < 1536451893 682979 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this one entirely on heresay < 1536451896 43970 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536451922 304889 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1536451978 480480 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, about HackEso, do you happen to know why the hg history seems to go back only to 2011, while HackEso is definitely older than that? < 1536451983 605438 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1536451986 846319 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is older than that < 1536451987 387163 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellonas < 1536451997 452082 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo isn't < 1536452010 718103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!learn `! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used. < 1536452011 758729 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the HackEgo hg history goes back to way before HackEso < 1536452015 212484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used. < 1536452017 342141 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned '`': `! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used. < 1536452018 434175 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Gregor had a habit of sometimes squashing history in the beginning < 1536452038 273884 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for saving space? < 1536452044 179853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +++++++++++.[+.] < 1536452045 716595 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1536452047 358832 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "Initial import" messages are from when he did that. < 1536452052 800815 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: presumably. < 1536452055 531270 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it slow down hg commit? < 1536452057 965797 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last) < 1536452064 711237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't seem to work very well nowadays < 1536452068 202886 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: perhaps? < 1536452096 172369 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was the latter, then I would hope he backed up the squashed parts somewhere, but maybe HackEgo didn't seem as important back then < 1536452107 758072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: EgoBot also used to allow you to write new interpreters in languages it already knew; most notably, it didn't know how to interpret Underload, so we taught it using an implementation in brainfuck < 1536452110 220062 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what doesn't seem to work very well? < 1536452118 75499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: `! < 1536452124 530406 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1536452127 939237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++.[+] < 1536452139 265991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess it works better than fungot who isn't here at all right now < 1536452205 216397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the stalker server actually working at all? < 1536452215 673646 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd guess that `! references programs outside the hg repository, and those aren't present in HackEso's fs < 1536452230 706947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are, but I think something might have gone wrong in the changeover < 1536452238 459699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! kipple 65>o < 1536452239 75617 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1536452243 21376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! kipple 65>o<66 < 1536452243 695033 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BA < 1536452259 117302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that one's working < 1536452290 401171 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a working haskell at one point. < 1536452293 406505 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, in that case, maybe some interpreters that `! calls reference programs outside the hg repository < 1536452315 684414 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a more comfortable vice.js than vice.js < 1536452317 929320 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know `! itself is like two simple shell scripts or something that just call on the interpreters from a directory < 1536452321 770941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452322 431160 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/intercal: not found < 1536452324 890861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c-intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452325 693486 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/c-intercal: not found < 1536452329 713980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c_intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452330 474129 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/c_intercal: not found < 1536452332 815412 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one of those interpreters calls a C compiler < 1536452337 112741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought we spent a while getting that workign a while ago < 1536452349 177996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452349 798512 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: intercal: not found < 1536452360 511229 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` /bin/ls ibin < 1536452361 606820 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ lua \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ slashes \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl < 1536452382 724377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1536452383 491644 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/bf_txtgen: line 6: java: command not found < 1536452391 768265 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess intercal wasn't one of the ones we got working < 1536452398 294473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java Main < 1536452399 44240 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: java: not found < 1536452415 342895 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i suppose java was always outside, and fizzie hasn't included it < 1536452420 412786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a lot of effort to fit Java on a line of IRC as it is < 1536452428 847948 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main() { printf("hello, world."); } < 1536452430 35419 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452431 971332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that list is shorter than I remember < 1536452435 77958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452435 889565 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/intercal: not found < 1536452437 138873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! cintercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452438 53228 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: 1: gcc: not found < 1536452440 505266 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main() { printf("hello, world."); return 0; } < 1536452441 690045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1536452441 784116 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452446 134685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't work, but at least I remember the name < 1536452446 384254 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main( void) { printf("hello, world."); return 0; } < 1536452447 362403 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452465 207030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC !c / `! c is very finicky aobut trying to get it to work < 1536452471 879000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("Hello, world!\n"); < 1536452472 850294 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452483 50469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant to work for both full programs and program fragments < 1536452486 677312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither actually does < 1536452498 453498 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which gcc < 1536452499 114011 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536452503 825969 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well you just got "gcc: not found" above, which could be an alternate explanation < 1536452505 106353 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's that bad... < 1536452505 273052 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that < 1536452527 925576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gcc < 1536452528 663834 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: gcc: command not found < 1536452529 977828 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k 'hello' < 1536452530 976735 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452530 976764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc < 1536452531 854378 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/cc: 2: /hackenv/bin/cc: gcc: not found < 1536452545 622504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cc must be a wrapper for gcc, which isn't there < 1536452548 222245 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k ' < 1536452549 127811 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452552 136537 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k + < 1536452553 58203 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452554 879061 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k < 1536452554 977936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`find / -name '*cc' < 1536452555 774004 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: ‘/ -name '*cc'’: No such file or directory < 1536452556 40047 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452560 919384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '*cc' < 1536452585 994407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair that find command will probably time out, reading the entire filesystem is fairly slow < 1536452591 182902 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is k? there's at least two languages called that, and ... come on, what language prints this for no input? < 1536452591 443333 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: ‘/proc/tty/driver’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/task/1/fd’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/task/1/ns’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/fd’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/map_files’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/fdinfo’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/ns’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/2/task/2/fd’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/ < 1536452601 897492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '*cc' 2>/dev/null < 1536452621 803338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, it's just an ASCII table, so it's not /that/ implausilbe < 1536452632 539494 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536452633 644406 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sgeo.github.io/experimental/vice32/x64.html < 1536452637 670466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, except for that gap between * and 0 < 1536452662 916152 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does -name take globs? < 1536452683 772729 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where cc < 1536452684 551338 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found < 1536452689 838033 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/K doesn't explicitly mention that that's the default output < 1536452700 315823 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1536452705 857358 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's also way too new < 1536452709 479114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1536452724 419836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most common use of find IME so I'm quite familiar with it < 1536452726 202573 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be Arthur Whitney's K either < 1536452734 143239 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was what I was hoping for < 1536452750 931297 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which -a cc < 1536452751 794509 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/cc < 1536452763 584606 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which -a tcc < 1536452764 998660 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536452774 938596 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with that that's the most common use of find < 1536452809 462145 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url ibin/k < 1536452810 346409 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/ibin/k < 1536452832 348989 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :P < 1536452837 108031 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/k < 1536452837 812798 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo '!"#$%^&* 0123456789' < 1536452849 288129 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag ibin/k < 1536452850 914469 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1075:2012-12-14 <Gregör> mkdir ibin; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep \'\\. lib/interp\' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf \'#!/bin/sh\\nCMD=`cut -d\' \' -f1 "$1"`\\nARG=`cut -d\' \' -f2- "$2"`\\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"\' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1536452853 30823 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536452877 647706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we're seeing the aftermath of a prank played back in 2012 < 1536452895 308038 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would like to add that since Windows's default GUI lost the easy way to search for a file on the fs or in a directory recursively by name, and that sucks, but you can just install git for windows to get a working unix find, and it's a standalone program you can just execute from cmd without any environment variable or library or msys or mingw c < 1536452895 402252 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omplications. < 1536452921 965376 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be careful because the Windows path already has an executable named FIND < 1536452930 438865 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherited from DOS < 1536452945 464251 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I use a batch file with a different name to invoke the unix-style find < 1536453016 667055 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol < 1536453030 658717 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag lib/interp/k < 1536453032 395109 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536453051 440104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general culture in #esoteric has changed over time < 1536453057 945545 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536453062 401390 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in ibin/*; do cmp -s "$x" ibin/k && echo "k=$x"; done < 1536453064 267514 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k=ibin/k < 1536453076 411226 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no other copies < 1536453094 242569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time since I've seen anyone esoprogramming live in the channel, for example < 1536453131 232201 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I did that at some point, but yes, a long way < 1536453156 231380 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least if you count obfuscated programming or golf rather than programming in an esoteric language < 1536453184 427524 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/k < 1536453186 206680 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1075:2012-12-14 <Gregör> mkdir ibin; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep \'\\. lib/interp\' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf \'#!/bin/sh\\nCMD=`cut -d\' \' -f1 "$1"`\\nARG=`cut -d\' \' -f2- "$2"`\\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"\' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp \ 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import. < 1536453238 40683 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 0 bin/k < 1536453239 159106 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo '!"#$%^&* 0123456789' < 1536453278 364594 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hg log -r 1075 --template "{rev} | {files}" < 1536453279 715055 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg: unknown command 'log -r 1075 --template "{rev} | {files}"' \ Mercurial Distributed SCM \ \ basic commands: \ \ add add the specified files on the next commit \ annotate show changeset information by line for each file \ clone make a copy of an existing repository \ commit commit the specified files or all outstanding changes \ diff diff repository (or selected files) \ export dump the header and dif < 1536453279 925551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfing programs only became popular here fairly recently < 1536453285 605674 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` hg log -r 1075 --template "{rev} | {files}" < 1536453286 932216 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1075 | bin/1l bin/2l bin/? bin/@ bin/adjust bin/asm bin/axo bin/bch bin/befunge bin/befunge98 bin/bf bin/bf16 bin/bf32 bin/bf8 bin/boolfuck bin/c bin/cintercal bin/clcintercal bin/cxx bin/dimensifuck bin/forth bin/glass bin/glypho bin/haskell bin/k bin/kipple bin/lambda bin/lazyk bin/linguine bin/malbolge bin/pbrain bin/qbf bin/rail bin/rhotor bin/sadol bin/sceql bin/sh bin/trigger bin/udage01 bin/underload bin/unlambda bin/whirl ibin/1l ibin/2l ibin/? ibi < 1536453295 114874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I think people thought of program shortening as demoscene-type stuff like the IOCCC < 1536453304 939614 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think k was an irrelevant program that just happened to match Gregor's grep < 1536453318 821716 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus got moved into ibin < 1536453319 430617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, that's plausible < 1536453342 740074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's surprising how outdated that list of languages is nowadays < 1536453352 999447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot could run from pastebins, that's how it handled larger programs < 1536453353 468761 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I'd like to take partial credit for programming in Borland C in DOS live on #esoteric-spam or whatever that side channel is called < 1536453371 406728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea with hackego was /meant/ to be that we'd keep it up to date with new languages as time goes on < 1536453381 819886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead it became a playground for stupidity and messing around < 1536453410 914079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do both < 1536453422 861623 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how did wisdom and quotes start? does it predate HackEgo? did EgoBot handle them? < 1536453431 409729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: they came shortly after HackEgo did < 1536453446 93223 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1536453457 924982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot didn't have anything like that, it was only marginally stateful and the state was frequently wiped < 1536453477 917822 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can totally see the wisdom database being something worth to save from EgoBot, and there are a ton of IRC bots on other channels that do learn-like stuff < 1536453548 581502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow our wisdom database ended up mostly full of bad puns rather than useful facts < 1536453578 464587 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of reasonable on this channel < 1536453591 265414 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, given the general culture of esolangs < 1536453603 893881 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the old joke languages and INTERCAL's bad puns < 1536453631 6564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many puns in INTERCAL < 1536453698 961123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of humour and ridiculousness but it's of a different type, I think < 1536453771 413705 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe not puns, but I think some of the humor is similar. the class/lesson thing in modern intercal is definitely based on a bad pun, and I think it's in line with existing intercal culture. < 1536453886 299892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird because "class" for a set of related lectures reminds me more of american english than british english, and yet Claudio Calvelli is Scottish < 1536453988 468783 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about "class" as a group of students sitting together on yhe same school lessons? < 1536454001 890021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that works in British English < 1536454044 876897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "classes and lectures" puts the setting as a university, which normally doesn't have that sort of class because the various peoples' schedules are so varied < 1536454070 276050 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't really know how intercal classes work < 1536454099 243838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty much equivalent to some standard mildly-OO primitive < 1536454110 835748 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i think stirrup jars are named because of the shape of the handle < 1536454141 283581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not an expert on the bits of CLC-INTERCAL that I didn't add to C-INTERCAL < 1536454192 305438 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting < 1536454258 585825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apparently really crazy part is the "belongs to / enslave" operation (which is a separate feature that's mentioned alongside the OO stuff), which apparently is entirely different from a pointer < 1536454271 245794 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, "stirrup jar" isn't even in my Oxford dictionary. mind you, it has five other phrases starting with "stirrup" < 1536454285 179321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although operand overloading seems to be a sufficiently good to handle call-by-reference anyway < 1536454424 732060 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as very often, zzo38 is the one you'd have to ask < 1536454442 7915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fungot outage is because I've moved and haven't set everything up. < 1536454455 10460 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie! < 1536454461 448543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stalker mode should be up and running though. < 1536454465 829428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me, anyway. < 1536454471 36987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hob_jonas. < 1536454500 994995 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ais523 and fizzie: https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-09-07.html#lsb most quoted nicks. < 1536454525 14351 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is second in the list, and ais523 fifth < 1536454565 109204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise I was that quotable < 1536454570 445683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' <ais523> < 1536454571 381653 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the "formally trained for tuning harps" quote < 1536454571 480465 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :24) <ais523> after all, what are DVD players for? \ 69) <ais523> so a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.com might be self-relative, but a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com always means a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com.? \ 70) <ais523> let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 77) <ais523> (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) \ 78) <ais523> theory: some amused deity is making the laws of < 1536454618 846686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote end to all < 1536454619 527583 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) <fungot> fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. < 1536454623 376579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one fungot quote I remember. < 1536454634 222507 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not just about being quotable, but the other factor (literally) about having cumulatively participated much in this channel, despite how rarely you enter these days < 1536454657 643906 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do enter, you often get into *interesting* conversations < 1536454672 486197 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote harp < 1536454673 330745 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1290) <ais523> hmm, I just remembered that I was formally trained to tune harps < 1536454700 102874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm not a fan of boring conversations < 1536454723 449702 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked for the statistics after getting two adjacent lines in quotes added by different users < 1536454723 561399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually cut back on idling here considerably a while ago because it wasn't having interesting conversations any more (although it's improved since), I was mostly gone for months < 1536454762 212263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a different situation from the one where I cut back on IRC altogether because I was busy) < 1536454764 985269 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the annoying part, for me, is that you're always here at late night, and those interesting conversations keep me from sleeping < 1536454803 201225 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that night schedule also the problem why I chose to not visit twitch.tv at all for a while < 1536454817 436621 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motivated me too much to stay up late < 1536454828 655279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to stick to the same day/night schedule as other people in my time zone < 1536454834 199161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to creep forwards over time < 1536454852 71714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although more recently I've had luck with allowing my schedule to get later and later and then resetting it with a very short day < 1536454853 868319 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. but that's why I have to protect myself against things that motivate me. < 1536454903 92724 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <HackEgo> < 1536454904 80296 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :32) <ehird> `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny <HackEgo> How hard is that \ 305) <cpressey> `quote django <HackEgo> ​352) <olsner> django is named after a person? <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something <cpressey> thankfully only one \ 306) <monqy> `quote django <HackEgo> ​352) <olsner> django is named after a person? <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) <cpressey> `quote django <HackEgo> ​352) < < 1536454913 389129 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use to reset with very long days, although if i try to hard it backfires < 1536454918 622476 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1536454942 195268 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become harder over the years < 1536454945 846268 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? 352 doesn't seem to match that. < 1536454974 806893 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1536454977 310660 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive quotes < 1536455019 635185 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the django recursions were a bit of a slow-running gag for a while < 1536455021 270583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner was annoyed at being quoted only with relation to django, so obviously people ended up added more olsner/django quotes (many of which were just quotes of each other) < 1536455063 1019 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 316 < 1536455063 892658 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :316) <olsner> two quotes about quotes about django <olsner> I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django < 1536455103 323914 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets even worse < 1536455117 537793 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 317 < 1536455118 627094 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :317) <elliott_> `addquote <olsner> two quotes about quotes about django <olsner> I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django <olsner> elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/ < 1536455123 275811 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the other day i was thinking about the english "buffalo buffalo buffalo ..." thing and remembered that "hogy hogy hogy" quote. how many "hogy" can you have in sequence in grammatically correct hungarian? < 1536455167 408039 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536455228 214862 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(allowing punctuation) < 1536455232 116408 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think there's a limit, but "hogy" is a pretty common word and a grammar word, sort of like "que" in French, and Hungarian speakers tend to avoid or drop adjacent instances of "hogy" less often than French speakers tend to avoid or drop adjacent instances of "que" < 1536455247 26559 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like "buffalo" at all < 1536455250 891516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: anyway, one thing I was thinking about recently is "what's the computational class of contract bridge", then realised that we're focusing on the play (not the auctions) so we actually care about whist < 1536455264 150484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: more like "had"? < 1536455289 114887 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2012-08-07.2061.html about double "que" < 1536455321 2118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current belief is that if you generalise it by allowing arbitrarily large numbers of suits and cards per suit, it becomes NP-complete, (I think you can probably implement subset sum in it), but I'm not sure because it represents numbers in unary and that can mess up NP-completeness proofs < 1536455345 830197 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, more like "that", but worse. English has "that that" pretty often, but the uses of "que" and "hogy" make it even worse, making triples more likely. "that that that" is unlikely in English. < 1536455405 17018 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, so you'd increase the number of suits too, not just the number of ranks? hmm < 1536455419 793594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to generalise it in just one direction < 1536455422 897536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but two is easier to program in < 1536455457 111226 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536455458 183993 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough bridge to really guess this, sadly. people tried to teach me once, but I determined it's not the game for me, so by now I forgot all the tactics < 1536455482 858859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really interested in it < 1536455487 854178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but programming in it isn't much like actually playing it < 1536455554 255674 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still remember a bit of ulti and snapszer tactics, they're still related games with taking tricks in rounds, each player playing one card per round in turn order, last person to take tricks calls, must follow suit if can, and in ulti there may be a trump color, in snapszer there always is < 1536455582 670391 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in actual tactics and strategy and feel, they're totally different games from bridge or, I think, whist < 1536455691 430822 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in some sense the game of whist play you are considering is in some form the essential pure form of a four-player trick card game < 1536455727 261883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whist is basically the simplest case of a four-player trick-taking game, with the only real twist being that the scores for players sitting opposite are added together (they count as allies) so you can try to give tricks to your partner rather than taking them yourself < 1536455777 785959 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas snapszer has one of two different twists on it (depending on whether it's three or four-player snapszer, or two-player snapszer, which are very different games), and ulti has so many twists the whole thing is unrecognizable < 1536455794 274773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to play whist < 1536455860 144710 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( he said, whistfully ) < 1536456010 39444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason I like contract bridge is that trying to create bidding systems is a bit like esoprogramming < 1536456024 243675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you're creating a language to communicate to humans, not computers, you have a very limited bandwidth with which to do so < 1536456123 570371 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's sort of like creating a golf language, but with the golf scoring being less straightforward than just "you get this many bits"? < 1536456147 415050 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can sort of see the similarity < 1536456337 119668 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there was a better post somewhere on David's blog about "que que", but I can't find it now < 1536456475 820890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the hard part is that you're trying to agree on the best contract to play in but you have to realise what it is before you go past it < 1536456497 216890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the last bid is the one you play in and each bid has to be strictly greater than the one before < 1536456507 949786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so part of your communication is trying to establish how many bits you have left! < 1536456562 620253 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: high-level play of contract bridge also has such an esoprogramming aspect, because some people have systems to encode information useful for their partner in the little noise in their cards played, eg. when replying with an odd or even low card from a color you're long at indicates (with a low correlation) which of the two other non-trump c < 1536456562 714139 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olors you want called < 1536456604 243486 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think whist could theoretically have such a system, and in generalized whist that could be strengthened < 1536456618 489527 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the best strategy for a pair playing whist isn't obvious < 1536456649 801105 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these signaling systems feel like golf-eso-programming the same way as bidding systems < 1536456668 105137 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the bidding system has a much larger impact on real games of bridge < 1536456681 261504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the signalling is actually more important < 1536456742 892202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say good play means you score 10 tricks rather than 9, and it's close in the bidding so you bid either 4 Hearts (a promise to reach 10 tricks) or 3 Hearts (a promise to reach 9) < 1536456759 775832 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: signaling certainly, but the part of the signaling system that you're free to create, rather than the part where much of the signaling system is determined by the rules and playing to win < 1536456763 850862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bidding and making 10 scores the most, then making 10 but bidding 9, then making 9 but bidding 9, then making 9 but bidding 10 < 1536456797 402986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so getting more tricks in the play has a larger impact in the score than bidding to the right level, as long as you're somewhere near where you're supposed to be < 1536456833 49083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, bridge's rules are incredibly non-objective < 1536456846 639521 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seeems like you get more noise bits to use in the bidding system, and so few noise bits during play that you rarely get games when the custom signaling system makes any difference, but very often get games when the crazy custom bidding system decides the game < 1536456846 876050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most places "encrypted signals" are banned, and "dual meaning signals" are banned except when discarding < 1536456850 712767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these aren't precisely defined anywhere < 1536456867 17136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the defenders get huge numbers of noise bits during the play < 1536456879 690909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you're defending, most of the tricks are highly likely to be unwinnable < 1536456889 504108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on most tricks you have a choice of useless cards to discard < 1536456935 632850 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they aren't encrypted. you're signaling during play as the defender, and they help your partner even if the lone player knows what you're signaling, just like how the bidding system helps your partner even if your opponent knows what your bids mean < 1536456948 635018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 13 tricks per round, I'd say that on half of them both defenders get a chance to signal, on the most of the others one will < 1536456954 250331 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know what you mean by "dual meaning signals" though < 1536457003 396914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well "encrypted signals" is things like "from the bidding we know that one of us has the King of Diamonds but the declarer doesn't know which, so let's signal 'either I have an even number of hearts and the King of Diamonds, or I have an odd number of hearts but not the King of Diamodns'" < 1536457026 803646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual meaning signals is basically encoding more than one bit into a single discard < 1536457035 663505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a single follow (you're allowed to do it on a discard) < 1536457053 976198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because such signals are so prone to being misunderstood or not having an appropriate card that it makes the result of the game kind-of random < 1536457064 886028 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so by encrypted signals, you don't mean signals when the opponent team doesn't get the key < 1536457084 466839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; they know what the signal /means/ but don't have enough information to deduce anything useful from the meaning < 1536457114 13091 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're signals _deliberately_ seeded by information hidden from the opponent, as opposed to all the information your partner automatically gets to understand from knowing his hand but the opponent doesn't understand < 1536457119 467830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1536457124 247408 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1536457234 557618 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are encrypted meanings allowed in the bidding system? because it seems hard to define what would count as deliberately seeded, versus just a consequence of trying to get the best bidding system and using all the information your partner already has < 1536457315 585791 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's normal for some meanings in a bidding system to be ambiguous and that they're optimized for that the partner can disambiguate them from his hand < 1536457403 483438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: encryption of that sort is allowed < 1536457418 275357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the most commonly seen conventions, 4NT blackwood, just shows the number of aces you hold < 1536457440 878769 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that the one that shows the number of aces modulo 4 or modulo 3? < 1536457447 946279 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536457456 405080 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back pimlu < 1536457457 550260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's sort-of an encrypted convention because there's no way to figure out which < 1536457467 590894 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we didn't scare you away after your first day? good < 1536457469 206006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there are multiple versions of it, the original was mod 4 < 1536457480 398584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pimlu the person who wrote the optimized Fractran interpreter? < 1536457485 83968 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1536457488 205173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like optimized esolang interpreters < 1536457517 143615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's most interesting when they "decompile" the esolang into higher-level constructs which they can simulate all at once < 1536457520 678336 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand that, given your perverse fascination in turing tarpits that force a slowdown worse than fractran < 1536457522 707393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like the "polynomial loop optimisation" in BF) < 1536457535 858306 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1536457544 264364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, the way I look at it, the language is designed to convey /meaning/ < 1536457553 571241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make sense that the language should have to convey an /algorithm/ too < 1536457562 933000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifying an algorithm is just one way to specify a meaning, and not even a commonly used on < 1536457564 551710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one < 1536457594 807203 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: after studying making writeups about (0) < 1536457597 703556 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1536457632 339979 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: after studying Amycus and (0), it's now pretty hypothetical of me to complain about double exponentially slow languages < 1536457637 653905 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1536457642 282575 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hypothetical < 1536457644 328101 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the word < 1536457647 654370 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypocritical < 1536457649 878989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypocritical? < 1536457678 997453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a strange word etymologically as based on its constituent parts, it should mean "below/less than the amount needed to cause a transition" < 1536457682 290161 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I must count M:tG too < 1536457692 226093 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG as an esolang < 1536457694 798812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the meaning is "not criticising oneself enough" < 1536457728 880968 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536457738 844379 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we did scare him away < 1536457741 808017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we use "subcritical"/"supercritical", not "hypocritical"/"hypercritical" < 1536457783 375263 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the Hungarian translation for "hypocrite"... < 1536457831 149096 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a good word, but it's rare and I don't recall it this late in the night < 1536457890 539017 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536457969 933878 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I forgot it deliberately because it mostly comes up in flamewars for blaming people with inconsistently applying their supposed religious beliefs or moral or political principles, and I don't want to read those kinds of flamewars < 1536457984 146024 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I know < 1536457993 934254 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's “álszent” < 1536458009 621979 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies something like "pretending to be saintly" < 1536458034 54295 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it actually has a good etymology < 1536458047 585031 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a synonym like that in English? < 1536458058 871576 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a synonym of "hypocrite" that is < 1536458078 176232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if there's a single word for it, there's almost certainly a phrase for it < 1536458084 686099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have too many phrases and it can be hard to remember them all < 1536458098 684589 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a phrase in Hungarian too, "bort iszik és vizet prédikál" < 1536458115 677429 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means something like "drink wine but preaches water" < 1536458123 992876 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/drink/drinks/ < 1536458147 994658 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that existed in English I think < 1536458149 27783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do as I say, not as I do" is a fairly well-known phrase < 1536458181 750184 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... https://english.stackexchange.com/q/6961/32815 < 1536458215 753830 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that mentions "I am a prophet, not a saint" which sounds pretty close < 1536458271 709076 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the question here is about a word or phrase for a hypocrite who admits that they are a hypocrite < 1536458394 687753 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/50168/what-is-a-less-offensive-synonym-for-hypocrite gives some phrases too, "Not walking the walk", "pretender", "cafeteria Christian" (for a more specific meaning), "faker". < 1536458463 351049 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope pimlu will return. We want those kinds of people here. < 1536458565 281360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is good they can be on, they have stuff with esoteric programming too so it is good < 1536459463 399178 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<wob_jonas> ais523: is there a synonym like that in English? <-- sanctimonious < 1536459507 972941 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you < 1536459710 295175 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to look up what the norwegian synonym is, "hykler" < 1536459749 277760 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you also have to look up what the norwegian for a "stirrup jar" is? < 1536459855 386490 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do that yet < 1536459869 66696 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although stirrup is stigbøyle < 1536459972 190662 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there doesn't seem to be a norwegian wikipedia article, although swedish is "bygelkanna" which would convert to "bøylekanne" < 1536460018 411450 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1536460091 798502 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term doesn't google well :) < 1536460159 866124 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term in what language? < 1536460268 74275 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian. the two sensible hits are some shop catalog, i suspect a modern gardening jug < 1536460291 717152 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to read David Madore's twitter feed from now on, in addition to checking out his blog. It turns out that he tweeted about the museum fire on --09-03, but didn't post a blog entry or blog comment, so I didn't notice. < 1536460313 527277 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1536460333 881306 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect few norwegians have researched the things < 1536460380 837859 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh the english is "can" < 1536460423 749894 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not jug) < 1536460443 612474 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scandinavian "kanne" can mean either < 1536460449 612903 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's definitely "stirrup jar", not "stirrup can". Thank god, "stirrup can" would be even worse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirrup_jar < 1536460493 819768 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: sorry, i'm just jumping context here < 1536460495 828739 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "can" is ambiguous that is < 1536460509 165697 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more so than "jar" < 1536460553 713835 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"few norwegians have researched the things" => or if they have, they've written about it in languages other than norvegian, because it's science research < 1536460563 223857 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1536460793 242081 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i hate it when the address line autocompletes a shorter word to a longer i've already looked up < 1536460817 590139 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(got to "cantare" instead of "can") < 1536461044 298308 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary's two first noun meanings are "kanne", the third would be "boks" < 1536461149 762133 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which naturally also means "box", except when "box" is "eske" :P < 1536461153 458589 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1536461201 126959 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cardboard boxes in particular are "esker") < 1536461267 937780 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure what's the defining difference < 1536463137 280320 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fewnhykvuuadohgm JOIN :#esoteric < 1536466004 320690 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536467740 210373 :ping!~pixel@2601:184:4781:81a:a924:6776:db1d:ebd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536468874 173306 :user24!~user24@p200300886973A70005C94A32CB3213CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536468894 897004 :user24!~user24@p200300886973A70005C94A32CB3213CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536469704 615063 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1536472464 74551 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536472726 475103 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ouaejgjsauxmhiyx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536473667 462988 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536474676 359893 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536474761 410550 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536474860 381750 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536475077 890539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1536475120 413966 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536475349 197798 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1536476825 379931 :ping!~pixel@2601:184:4781:81a:a924:6776:db1d:ebd0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536477038 392187 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536477341 503060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello! < 1536481478 377958 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536482915 552328 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fewnhykvuuadohgm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536483461 18276 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1536484204 537342 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536484727 571446 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536484985 650214 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536486441 283294 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536486689 378938 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536486817 340353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536486875 511804 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536486921 575597 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536487787 469482 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536487856 922691 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the strangest dream related to #esoteric. < 1536487866 871755 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, strangest so far, I must qualify. < 1536488094 471670 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this dream, ais523 wrote a book. Not some super-technical book about his maths resarch at work, something slightly more popular, although it might still be one about esoteric topics. < 1536488159 909709 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book also had a co-author. In the dream, I first saw the e-book version of the book, or perhaps some samples of it only. It had images of what looked sort of like M:tG cards, but really strange. The part I recall distinctly are the strange mana symbols in the mana cost line: < 1536488273 287252 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were no ordinary generic mana symbols, instead there was a symbol that was a light grey disk of the sort in generic mana symbols with merely a black dot in its center, this meant the same as {1} but was used in the cost line repeated at least three times in one card (instead of saying {3}), and to the right of colored mana symbols. < 1536488312 583339 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536488335 156422 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were also strange variant colored mana symbols, probably inspired in my head by the Settlers of Catan: Cities and knights expansion. < 1536488365 618524 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536489005 393362 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, there was a blue mana symbol that waa shaped like a sterotypical small purse of gold coins, representing lawbreaking or bribe in flavor, and the rule for it was something like you pay a blue mana like normal, but when you do that, an opponent may reveal a card with a variant red "law enforcement catches you" mana symbol, and then you < 1536489005 527457 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get some big penalty. Yes, this goes against the color wheel, but in my dream those were definitely the colors. < 1536489045 337862 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were other variant colored mana symbols too, and some other graphical changes on the cards, but I don't remember those. < 1536489093 537160 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pimlu: pay no attention to the tale I'm telling. I didn't want to scare you away from the channel yesterday, and don't want to scare you away today either. It's stupid off-topic stuff, appears on IRC all the time, don't let it bother you. < 1536489188 88701 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After waking, I have two theories of how these strange mana costs appeared: either they were from some set released by Wizards in the future when I wasn't reading M:tG news and so I saw these in that book first, or the co-author is zzo38 but I didn't recognize his real name. < 1536489196 336141 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm quite sure ais523 wouldn't invent those. < 1536489207 710957 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the kicker came later in the dream. < 1536489322 488390 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kicker was when then I saw a dead-tree copy of the book. < 1536489382 669372 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book was distributed with what looked like fresh salad (and possibly other food) in a thin transparent plastic container that looks like the throwaway containers to sell food for take-away that you eat the day you buy them. < 1536489415 758078 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked and smelled fresh, not deep-frozen, and the container didn't look like it was sealed airtight. < 1536489462 959500 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After waking, my best theory is that looks are deceiving, it was deep-frozen but looked fresh because modern food industry can do that, and it was sealed airtight and I only imagined the smell. < 1536489482 97505 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps the container got broken by the time I looked at it. < 1536489520 81540 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even then, this makes no sense for a book for obvious reasons. < 1536489600 279794 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also remember the OSzK (the national library) telling me that they store a copy of every item that's distributed with a book or periodical they have, not necessarily with the book but somewhere, < 1536489690 324455 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the most often this is just a floppy disk or CD, but pop magazines sometimes distribute promotional items that are stranger than that, and occasionally it even happens with more serious journals that they do archive, so they have a small collection of strange items. < 1536489715 885173 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I wondered, how could you abuse this policy to make it hard on the OSzK. < 1536489748 308917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? alice < 1536489750 517817 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice doesn't want to go among mad people. < 1536489790 156647 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I found a good solution. Distribute a periodical with an article about dietary supplements, and enclose a leaf of ten multivitamin pills with a hard shell (so they don't easily get crushed) as a promotional item. < 1536489825 440679 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536489856 207747 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't cause any problem with the normal distribution chain, because those multivitamin tablets can be stored for two years even in hot weather, and no newspaper stand or book store would keep an issue of a periodical for longer than that, < 1536489921 249757 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the multivitamin pills also can't be stored for more than three or four years, because of expiry, and are also totally worthless if you can't consume them, so it would be pointless for the OSzK to archive them. < 1536489970 624670 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they tried to store it for over four years, they could probably even get a fine for ignoring food safety laws. < 1536490032 904908 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their best choice would be to discard the pills before letting it get in anyone's hand, after describing it in the catalog of course. < 1536490084 182781 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They certainly couldn't be held against that rule about storing every junk distributed with journals if there was a good reason not to store an item. < 1536490198 571083 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: meh, this was nothing compared to a few dreams I had. I had dreams that were very scary while dreaming but no longer scary after waking up, dreams that were not scary while dreaming but scary when I thought about them afterwards, and dreams that were scary in the dream and after. This was neither. It was just strange. < 1536490320 209746 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated: http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/09/05/open-thread-109-75/#comment-666229 has one of these surreal discussions, when random visitors from the internet discuss a strange topic seriously and there happen to be all sorts of experts who can add bits to it. < 1536490355 266279 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it's about the biblical David & Goliath story, and there's the usual group of experts in mediaeval weaponry and armor, plus contemporary martial arts experts. I started laughing before I even got to the actually good bit. < 1536490399 307614 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good bit starts at “<DavidFriedman> I happened to have in the closet a Japanese spear, I assume a form of Yari, which always struck me as having a very much too heavy head. So I weighed the head–about 3 1/2 lbs.” < 1536490463 378023 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then an analysis of whether Goliath could have used a spear with a head weighing 5 kg, or whether it was a ceremonial spear or staff or sceptre and he used only more practical weapons in combat. < 1536491397 151580 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536491831 490347 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536491891 319978 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536492114 490142 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536492276 539564 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536494340 6585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536494340 143506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536494340 143559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536495986 626529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536496062 963736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536496062 963781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536496062 963791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536496207 331091 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536499174 504616 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536500121 957438 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536500517 509978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536500895 941848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536500896 79285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536500896 79325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536502545 575941 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536502787 432258 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536503856 876740 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wnnuouaaxpkhigza JOIN :#esoteric < 1536509491 666816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have those kind of bribery in Magic: the Gathering, then such bribery mana symbol can be any colors, and that "law enforcement catches you" is a keyword ability rather than a mana symbol. < 1536509585 868762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dreamt of two new mana symbols, which are "queen mana" and "energy mana" (the latter is somewhat like the energy symbols that Wizards of the Coast has done much later than I dreamt it; the use of "queen mana" is unknown) < 1536511943 954504 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536512161 13946 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1536512497 239036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57541&oldid=57515 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+139) 10 > 1536512552 195567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asdf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57542&oldid=46062 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+79) 10Added one more example < 1536512626 363772 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536514299 776274 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536516107 482710 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536516236 413666 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536516267 270245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a specification for HTTP Directory Listing: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/httpdirlist since, unlike other protocols HTTP does not support directory listing. < 1536516366 707793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this do you have a comment of it please? < 1536517519 447341 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, WebDAV does allow that too... < 1536517528 500469 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, WebDAV sucks. :) < 1536517539 124071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why we make a better specification. < 1536517571 641932 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One nice thing about your spec is it's fairly easy to retrofit into existing web server use. < 1536517606 635829 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could readily allow for the common practice of the server just generating an HTML directory listing, and switch to this with an Accept: application/http-directory header. < 1536517628 64980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the intention < 1536518509 395909 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536518970 784814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to implement such thing like this with Apache? < 1536518981 247118 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain. < 1536518995 981404 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536519135 541619 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536519803 288512 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes hogy < 1536519804 513386 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.28457 < 1536519965 421147 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536520954 587661 :wob_jonas!b03f184c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536521539 167339 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrjsbcnkerwtlvcc JOIN :#esoteric < 1536522576 999873 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536522606 925359 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536524128 256537 :wob_jonas!b03f184c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.76 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536526426 691884 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1536526915 926744 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536527166 910965 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536527373 912560 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536527440 728736 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1536527496 913984 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536528592 328852 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536528617 972450 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536530798 784358 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536532474 701818 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536532916 353902 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536533518 266260 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrjsbcnkerwtlvcc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536534003 111251 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1536534022 385489 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536534449 520820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536534639 451336 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536534973 530656 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536535233 389493 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536535788 907644 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536537951 297638 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kirmbvuahxxifnzq JOIN :#esoteric < 1536538173 528377 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536538198 44742 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536538398 783907 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas <wob_jonas> Um, strangest so far, I must qualify. <-- i think the idiom "i've had the strangest ..." doesn't imply really being the strangest < 1536538398 961342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1536538434 504754 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536539262 428059 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url % < 1536539263 280560 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/%25 < 1536539267 508916 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url # < 1536539268 397475 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/%23 < 1536539446 203659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the mknod command to make extra copies of /dev/null, but how commonly are you going to use such things? Sometimes it is helpful if different filenames are needed but still needing to be null, but probably usually you don't need such thing. < 1536539990 998666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any television sets have a caption scrollback function? < 1536541047 507772 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536541361 782148 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536541511 833374 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536541662 791895 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536543608 833512 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536544036 238884 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536545497 736656 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536545935 493413 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF210E7544E6C1D332BD890A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536546112 474257 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536546203 322281 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536546231 328470 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536547671 729066 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536547962 744990 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536549820 429564 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536549843 784948 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536550128 491885 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536550254 541654 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536553961 603305 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536554126 289994 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kirmbvuahxxifnzq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536554208 459046 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536554659 629437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read in some book of history of chess the possibility to derive chess moves from a magic square, but I do not know how. Do you know if such thing is possible, and if so, how? < 1536555774 813794 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536556613 356715 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nalmzcgvnoyqvmle JOIN :#esoteric < 1536556660 425452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1536556671 197734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1536556671 301600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1536556952 365218 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536557149 375128 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536557284 220199 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1536557403 361300 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536558903 306387 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536559067 854243 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF210E7544E6C1D332BD890A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536559162 362248 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536559354 825913 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536559425 493147 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1536559813 292619 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536561513 495819 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536561540 386852 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1536562041 274446 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wnnuouaaxpkhigza QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536562054 22024 :johnsonraj!~johnsonra@2402:3a80:e20:9be3:19a0:4f0e:106b:1864 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536562091 842638 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536562129 210282 :johnsonraj!~johnsonra@2402:3a80:e20:9be3:19a0:4f0e:106b:1864 PART :#esoteric < 1536562380 878495 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536562478 359008 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1536563694 800140 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536563823 973763 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1536564063 597026 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1536564600 752621 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536565147 698488 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536565219 402002 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536565478 334654 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536566044 495361 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536566594 959874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536566595 108125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536566595 108197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536566930 616930 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1536567014 773417 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536568528 296673 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nalmzcgvnoyqvmle QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536569753 45154 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536571050 130412 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybamgxyvyohckctw JOIN :#esoteric < 1536571733 495282 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536571987 462047 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536572205 897220 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536572347 220041 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: chess and magic square => I haven't heard of such a thing, but tic-tac-toe can be played with a 3x3 magic square: instead of squares the players alternatingly play numbers from 1..9 inclusive that have not yet been played in the game, a player wins if that player has played any three numbers whose sum is exactly 15, and the game is draw if t < 1536572347 355262 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's no valid move. < 1536572431 760809 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I read that observation on tic tac toe from the book Csákány Béla, ''Diszkrét matematikai játékok'', but it might not be original to that < 1536572806 807192 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536573533 397341 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536573664 797260 :linxsd!~user@183.202.164.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536573696 46842 :linxsd!~user@183.202.164.30 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1536574339 553886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ustin.fitc 5* 10New user account < 1536574494 314200 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: re browser url bar autocomplete, try to fiddle with the about:config settings containing urlbar. < 1536574511 697018 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like a dozen booleans there, you just have to guess the right combination > 1536574674 328412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57543&oldid=57541 5* 03Ustin.fitc 5* (+83) 10 < 1536574990 673825 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. "Use of this site also constitutes acceptance of its <a ...>Terms of Service and Privacy Policies</a>, which are known to medical science as a cure for insomnia." < 1536575180 982064 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have done with that last night... < 1536575193 272936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to bed at half ten, didn't get to sleep until after 1 > 1536575199 251897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:NULL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57544&oldid=8218 5* 03Ustin.fitc 5* (+569) 10/* Is that "Hello World" number correct? */ > 1536578893 544013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:NULL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57545&oldid=57544 5* 03Ustin.fitc 5* (+491) 10 < 1536581196 921103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536584928 118717 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1536586416 842901 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikaxgumzqweoxovs JOIN :#esoteric < 1536586628 450388 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybamgxyvyohckctw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536588937 746539 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1536590617 577575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57546&oldid=57520 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (-94) 10Change the spec for I/O. > 1536590649 468286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57547&oldid=57546 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (-16) 10Moving the commands header to the subpage > 1536590665 759313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57548&oldid=57513 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+16) 10 > 1536590714 664816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57549&oldid=57548 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (-2) 10ADDI does not concatenate keywords. < 1536591066 446767 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536591201 373397 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536591910 597244 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536592521 776695 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536592686 452459 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536593992 343718 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536595265 287867 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536597867 541318 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536600911 969827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536600912 107498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536600912 107552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536601025 359775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536601961 727078 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536601984 455979 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohi < 1536602036 670368 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I understand why Wizards wants to put "Ravnica" in the set names, but don't you think that "Guilds of Ravnica" and "Ravnica Allegiance" are a bit confusing as set names because they're too similar to existing ones? < 1536602095 75046 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I know "allegiance" means something different from "alliance" (which the Guildpact is) but still. < 1536602258 343424 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, can't they just find something _unique_ about that set that they can put in a concise set name? Those names would work for half of the previous six Ravnica sets. < 1536602304 879720 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Guilds of Ravnica" -- Ravnica is returning. And, guess what, it's returning and showing that it has _guilds_. What a surprise. < 1536602418 291057 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizards is usually creative in giving card names < 1536602582 307944 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know they have over 200 set names by now, but if they can find over 10000 unique English card names (does anyone happen to know if it's reached 20000 yet?), how can set names be harder? < 1536602722 525249 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with the fact that they may try to be more conservative, because a really bad set name could have a worse effect than a really bad card name. < 1536603328 888315 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there golf languages that try to support imperative style, as in, that have lots of built-ins to mutate mutable containers in place in various ways, as well as mutable global or scope-local variables, and control structures useful in such programs? This could be in addition or mixed with functional style in a less concise golf language like bur < 1536603329 23337 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesque. < 1536603341 762798 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which golf languages are like that? < 1536603430 268007 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arthur Whitney's K could sort of count, but I'd like a bit more than that. < 1536603802 15495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536603953 800407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536604299 438118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, k basically doesn't support mutable objects at all < 1536604343 880942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable global variable bindings, sure, but that's very different < 1536604537 76766 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: doesn't it also have mutable local bindings, and... um, either mutable dictionaries passed by reference or cow-mutating operations on hashes? or something < 1536604557 581924 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not really ideal, especially since it also has no closures, but still much better than what J has < 1536604581 750101 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'd like something more imperative-centered than K < 1536605132 720973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have an authoritative source or anything but my strong impression after working on it for a year is that there is absolutely no mutation of anything anywhere < 1536605155 764995 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1536605169 277367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps as a transparent abstraction < 1536605189 308413 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's, like, all reference-counted and you can only mutate the root namespace, like in J? < 1536605194 673074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1536605201 389701 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, J has a flat namespace hierarchy, but still < 1536605206 752228 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea < 1536605209 280735 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1536605233 14188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can mutate function local variables and write while loops in functions < 1536605249 508263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, from a performance/optimisation point of view you can't do anything that counts < 1536605257 611381 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1536605285 589842 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the function-local variables are on a plain stack, right? no mutable closures? < 1536605294 740506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1536605298 964664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no closures at all < 1536605300 26879 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand how K's lambdas and local variables actually work < 1536605327 249008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :local variables are absolutely local to one function, if you want them passed down the stack they have to be passed explicitly as arguments < 1536605335 919596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to understand tbh because it's totally bare-bones < 1536605361 620504 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1536605389 414893 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536605395 109977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :k function objects are basically maximally stripped down for interpreter simplicity and the semantics reflect that < 1536605418 155306 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do verbs formed by binding like (+1) behave? can you assign them to a value? what happens if you try to write something like p:(+k) where k is not a number but a local variable? < 1536605442 452325 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because J at least has immutable closures formed by binding < 1536605451 932859 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not by lambda expressions, only by binding) < 1536605535 690310 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and... well, it's complicated. actually there's like fifty primitive ways to compose stuff, but the point is, they are always immutable, but they do effectively capture some constants) < 1536605608 254002 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and how some of it works isn't explained well in tutorials, but I think I understand most of it from experiments, and could explain it, except for how namespaces work, where I only have guesses) < 1536605618 760581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial application is just an object with a tag saying 'this is a partial application' and then a list of (function;arg1;arg2;etc...) < 1536605648 181349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can return it and bind it and whatever the same as any other object < 1536605713 950062 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: so you can create, at runtime without eval, an array containing multiple instances of syntactically the same binding but capturing different constants, like an array of length 1000 whose first element is (+0) and second element is (+1) and so on with code much shorter than 1000, and then shuffle that array and invoke any of the captures form th < 1536605714 80338 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at array? < 1536605740 621023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1536605773 183021 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. I sort of have the impression that such manipulations have a more easy syntax to write in K than in J, even if the power is effectively the same. < 1536605776 646188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :q)(rand (+)@'til 10)5 < 1536605776 740281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1536605796 985481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's q not k ofc. < 1536605845 802907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*1?+@'!10)5 in k < 1536605869 103207 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, K has nice dictionaries, immutable according to what you said, but still, that's nice and not easy to emulate in J < 1536605888 13104 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know how K dictionaries work, but still < 1536605954 927043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're lists but indexed by arbitrary objects rather than ints, basically < 1536605965 84209 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound convenient < 1536605967 71147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with some weird fuckery if you're stupid enough to use lists as your indices < 1536605968 532138 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for brevity < 1536606022 764474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing k does that maybe other APLoids don't (idk) is that function application, list indexing and dict lookup are the exact same operation < 1536606027 623722 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? but aren't most of the composite objects lists or dictionaries? that makes it sound like you can only use numbers or characters or dictionaries as keys < 1536606060 286650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you use atoms as keys dict lookup will automatically vectorise < 1536606079 37035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (`a`b`c!1 2 3) `a`b ==> 1 2 < 1536606159 409145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you definitely *can* use composite objects as keys but you will prob. shoot yourself in the foot unless you do so in a regimented way < 1536606193 319279 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point I was thinking of a hypothetical extension of J that would support first-class mutable cells, but with refcounting only like in perl (this would be a small extension over what namespaces can already do, so needs little syntax, but a new basic atom type), < 1536606204 947260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao right check this shit out: < 1536606217 875790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :q)((`d`e;`a;`b;`c)!1 2 3 4)`a`b < 1536606217 969582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0N < 1536606231 455009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :q)((`a;`b;`c;`d`e)!1 2 3 4)`a`b < 1536606231 549019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 < 1536606238 582275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :q)((`a;`b;`c;`d`e)!1 2 3 4)`d`e < 1536606238 676497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0N 0N < 1536606244 886681 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a first-class lambda expressions (this one needs a new syntax rule that makes the syntax impractical to describe in the terms the J dictionary uses, but can still be made fully backwards compatible, and also matching the spirit) < 1536606247 307482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :q)((`d`e;`a;`b;`c)!1 2 3 4)`d`e < 1536606247 401481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1536606264 240023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like many edge-cases in k it basically comes down to pure guesswork < 1536606339 871731 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't really understand K to know what's you're trying there. (`a;`b;`c;`d`e) makes a list whose last element is a list, the first four elements are symbols. But what does ! do there? < 1536606504 109386 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check the manual... < 1536606770 247286 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I don't understand even after checking the manual. It seems as if you're calling ! dyadically with the left argument (`d`e;`a;`b;`c) and the right argument (1 2 3 4) . But the K manual seems to imply that that's not defined, ! is only defined if either the left or the right argument is a number atom. < 1536606773 330022 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that some Q addition? < 1536606780 352174 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I parsing something wrong? < 1536607238 554941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, list!list creates a dictionary < 1536607246 80458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the left list as the keys and the right as the values < 1536607251 820700 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1536607255 564468 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that a Q addition? < 1536607285 998190 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where the full Q manuals are, if they exist < 1536607296 763445 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're not available for free < 1536607299 19081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's k < 1536607307 102848 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1536607312 880671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :q docs are all here http://code.kx.com/q/ < 1536607329 988085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that k3, k4 and k5/k6 are all significantly different languages < 1536607363 664793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and k4 is the undocumented implementation language for q (but all the operators are the same, at least in their 2-argument form) < 1536607382 857080 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad, because I'm looking at this old short K2 reference manual < 1536607474 543612 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so in Q, (.) or (@) aren't the most overloaded verbs, (!) is? interesting < 1536607609 5411 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that looks... historically related to K, but very different at the same time < 1536607617 595837 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it probably evolved in steps from K < 1536607631 914673 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the end result is hard to recognize < 1536607794 139766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ? or $ are the most overloaded when you factor in the triadic and tetradic forms and all the per-type overloads < 1536607815 467445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and \ technically isn't a verb but does a ridiculous variety of shit < 1536607876 23998 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Q looks like a bigger and more complicated language than K < 1536607884 840992 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lots more builtins < 1536607904 78580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think the additions mostly fall under < 1536607938 185245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) bunch of verbs which are predefined k functions < 1536607980 869912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) rudimentary standard library in the .Q namespace < 1536607990 66582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) q-sql syntax for table manipulation < 1536608147 819189 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Q's creators felt nostalgy for some old APLs that were full of special cases in all sorts of orthogonal directions, and wanted to recreate that general feelintg < 1536608228 332154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the impression k has always made heavy use of overloading operators to do completely orthogonal things based on type < 1536608300 548113 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and either it makes a worse job hiding that complexity than J, or I absorbed how crazy J actually is (despite how the manuals try to imply it's simple and regular) slowly over years, and K presents much of it naked in a manual < 1536608387 185768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i look at j docs i'm struck by the giant zoo of operators < 1536608432 438455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs k which only really has the ones above the number keys < 1536608523 36692 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I've seen other programming language evovle towards being more complex over 15 or 20 years, even if they start out as trying to be simple. < 1536608569 794217 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find J ugly too, but _not_ because of the zoo of operators you first see, but because of the stuff that's more hidden < 1536608576 442119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: most golf languages are stack-based, they tend to be bad at named mutable globals (rather, you just keep changing the same stack slot repeatedly) < 1536608605 757853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more advanced ones often use some sort of SSA, which is good for writing imperative code despite the lack of named globals < 1536608643 902378 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the zoo of operators doesn't look too bad if you just think of it as a prelude or core library < 1536608650 380059 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with strange names < 1536608771 622634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1536608790 498634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well k also very much does not have j's love for pointfree style < 1536608800 950699 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is "SSA"? < 1536608807 371478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :single static assignment < 1536608810 866605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :single static assignment < 1536608816 384423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia article is pretty good, worth reading < 1536608824 996721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's imperative-ish but each variable gets a new name each time you assign to it < 1536608841 976596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fun fact: go didn't have it for the first few years of its existence despite it being standard practice for compilers for decades < 1536608857 569510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because go really was written by idiots whose brains are stuck in 1979 < 1536608872 97625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes imperative programs much easier to read about < 1536608874 978647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reason about < 1536608883 70103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can effectively talk about a particular "version of a variable" < 1536608898 402155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a pain to write manually so it's normally only seen in compiler backends < 1536609021 217037 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1536609057 225034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess another way to think about it is that SSA does for data what continuation passing style does for control flow < 1536609303 584052 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. I more or less know what that is, because mathematics proofs are usually written with SSA syntax, and I've seen quite a few of those, I just didn't know the name. < 1536609385 454524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proofs are usually written with SSA syntax" - no? < 1536609388 175886 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, technically you have to be careful with that, to make sure there's no dependence loops, and everything you define in crazy infinite loop form can be translated to proper transfinite induction and transfinite recursion and stuff < 1536609441 911356 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This really doesn't match my experience. Not even in a formalization context. < 1536610302 712699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well proofs tend not to repeatedly redefine the same term to mean something new < 1536610439 75470 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, although they can shadow names by using the same letter for an entirely new variable when it doesn't cause a confusion, assign values localized into a foreach-exists arbitrarily nested scope, or define indexed sequences recursively as long as there's no dependence loops to translate an imperative loop without reassigning < 1536610440 958193 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but IME they most of the text is actually about establishing properties and relationships. The SSA is an almost insignificant fragment. < 1536610502 588963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1536610537 327388 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we were probably reading the same general style of mathematics, but viewing it from a different angle < 1536610571 478730 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have different intuitions of the same thing < 1536614833 337936 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536615417 285971 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric < 1536615534 812458 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536616600 8859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536616635 363100 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536616763 894907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536617128 397553 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536617441 408333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1536617441 543370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1536617441 543422 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1536617445 453537 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT : < 1536617691 688935 :rainbowfossil!c053e4f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.83.228.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536617694 815486 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536618259 407047 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536618388 946925 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536618925 779980 :rainbowfossil!c053e4f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.83.228.245 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1536621586 641111 :wob_jonas!b03f1916@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.22 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536623800 476672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536624387 626939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1536624986 952666 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536626962 490286 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536627349 357840 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536627520 352182 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536628735 286927 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536628764 491707 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536629361 491144 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536629559 743831 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536630417 63955 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1536630498 350178 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536634069 277698 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536635414 960688 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536635886 471463 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536635924 639448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How are you feeling? < 1536635925 78935 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right. like pbx06, so stick with me home to play with, too. < 1536636049 366927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. There was a message for fungot, 1y 3m 16d 9h 30m 20s old. < 1536636049 676477 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because it's a ridiculous amount of money). for years.) < 1536637354 912432 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536637640 440862 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536639288 329647 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1536639340 382681 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536639356 388247 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1536639490 84920 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lukhzhjqfccekepf JOIN :#esoteric < 1536639612 333561 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536639748 991267 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536639780 346961 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536639797 276911 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peers at her friend Sgeo_'s monitor and wonders if he ever got his friend's memory stick out of his laptop < 1536639823 650009 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536639825 827687 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Lyka! I did, a few years ago < 1536639875 790615 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a paperclip < 1536639928 752190 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :March 21, 2015. < 1536639965 43489 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got scratched up but reportedly still worked < 1536639974 811854 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that laptop has since died < 1536640033 588846 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/T6KxW1EG < 1536640075 178745 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was the one who stuck it in there by accident < 1536640107 21474 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the channel make of the language i made? < 1536640121 245434 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what does < 1536640198 731883 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :echidna < 1536640272 366853 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536640398 693648 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxa-onC9NxdaWEVfOER3WmU2UTRSYVZEM21pVUtqanhpdVBn < 1536640407 988876 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxa-onC9NxdaZjhCUlJUOGgxcFdqaGpyZzhzYVFad1UtVXFr < 1536640493 868082 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the pictures, this is open channel < 1536640529 607426 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't too bothered if people see them (if I was I would have private messaged) but maybe I should disable anyway < 1536643758 308866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: that language looks decidedly non-esoteric? More like a low level assembly language < 1536643783 639092 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1536643786 476770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I lack the context for how it works from just that pastebin < 1536643808 914083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if that is really the simplest way to add two numbers together, I'm more interested < 1536643828 827497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you have ADD and SUB instruction in there < 1536643834 962285 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :digits, not numbers < 1536643851 875452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1536643871 150400 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :single digit numbers < 1536643881 718918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 10? < 1536643889 242789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the ADD and SUB do then? < 1536643891 529499 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1536643954 673223 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am too tired to remember < 1536643959 236090 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1536643971 384039 :Lyka!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1536643993 646304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1536645661 330464 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536645906 491202 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536646191 489952 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536647145 702193 :JWinslow23!62901603@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.144.22.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536647409 657333 :JWinslow23!62901603@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.144.22.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536648094 491767 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536649424 325799 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536650953 344955 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536651198 46224 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikaxgumzqweoxovs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536652471 361827 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536653643 361776 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reading in two ASCII digits (\x30 to \x39), subtracting 0x30 from each to get the values, adding them, divmod to get tens and units, converting back to ASCII and outputting > 1536654136 37447 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reversible14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57550 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+43) 10search aid / bluelink target; redir to [[:Category:Reversible computing]] > 1536654212 589040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Counter machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57551 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+28) 10redir to [[Minsky machine]] for now; at some point, we may want the pages to be separate, with this page describing the general concept and that page describing the specific formalization < 1536654648 551115 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536654757 516271 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beat Super Mario Land in under half an hour (25 minutes, 20 sec. or so)! < 1536654955 838106 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my fastest time but isn't fast unough to be a speedrun also it would not count since I'm playing on a Kongfeng GB Boy Colour < 1536655160 127577 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536655919 678090 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never beaten any Mario game other than Galaxy and that took me a long time but I got all 242 stars < 1536656008 291393 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine "beat" in the half-an-hour context refers to like, "beating Bowser for the last time" and not "getting all collectibles" < 1536656028 604291 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: only for the unambitious < 1536656042 716765 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it took me a lot less long to see the end credits < 1536656056 144663 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well this is the original Super Mario Land for Game Boy 1989, so... there aren't any collectables < 1536656061 588140 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1536656078 660186 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: and bowser isn't even in it < 1536656080 41230 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played SML a li'l bit ages ago, I don't really remember it honestly :p < 1536656091 258495 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whcih is sorta weird < 1536656127 802291 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mario is rescuing Daisy, which seems like he's cucking his brother, I thought luigi's canon GF was daisy < 1536656156 829354 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think that was established after SML, also rescuing is allowed to be platonic < 1536656185 936279 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not if u fly off in an airplane surrounded by hearts lol < 1536656263 175967 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :side note, I need to remember to buy more game boy games, and not just play the ones builtin to the console < 1536656576 978702 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but srsly this thing is amazing, it's a GBC clone with games built in and most importantly - a BACKLIGHT < 1536656587 709126 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what thing? < 1536656656 8314 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.ebay.ca/itm/GB-Boy-Classic-Color-Handheld-Game-Console-2-7-Game-Player-Backlit-66-Games-A-/223120822883?oid=192365737359 < 1536656659 554527 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^ < 1536656870 724552 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :o neat < 1536656986 106554 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the games built in aren't that great but I have been playing a lot of super mario land lately on my commute < 1536658231 899943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been messing around with trying to do category theory in Agda < 1536658249 29971 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Managed to prove that the category of categories is a category last night < 1536658309 30244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1536658320 844264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you have levels of categories or something. < 1536658417 158144 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing < 1536658444 824480 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of a mess but this is what I have currently: https://gist.github.com/Taneb/6bca8c7d5fd47b12db32b3884cab097e < 1536658623 444285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo define (co)products as adjoints to the diagonal functor hth < 1536658664 572216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not a bad suggestion < 1536658685 228984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't defined adjoints yet < 1536658686 684179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it is a bad suggestion < 1536658703 487586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could maybe reframe it as a good suggestion somehow < 1536658717 876518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "define (co)products as strings" would have been a bad suggestion < 1536658852 2813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you call the diagonal functor forgetful? < 1536658908 124732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I would. < 1536658927 806869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'd call fromInteger : Z -> R forgetful. < 1536658978 984004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I agree < 1536658998 736268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On which one? < 1536659003 254987 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one < 1536659015 328111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd call them forgetful for the sameish reason. < 1536659027 109954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An integer is like a real number with a proof that the fractional part is 0. < 1536659058 12616 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a clear intuition for forgetful functors < 1536659081 456765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a thing in C is like a thing in C*C with a proof that the two things are the same thing. < 1536659108 508277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job "forgetful" doesn't mean anything < 1536659132 201435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am i britishing) < 1536659141 932292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think "forgetful" means a right adjoint or something. < 1536659174 20909 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should definitely define adjoints < 1536659183 772872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adjunctions are the best. < 1536659185 154799 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to come up everywhere < 1536659220 273679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to talk to a bunch of people about adjoints this past week but it didn't work? < 1536659414 981643 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have no taste < 1536659432 38500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some of them were interested but then I needed to explain categories and things < 1536659474 445271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep but you should find some good adjunctions for me for when I wake up. < 1536659493 857573 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I'm at work and may still be at work when you wake up < 1536659501 400702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the good old adjunctions? < 1536659505 660595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Free/cofree things < 1536659508 341267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Limits/colimits < 1536659518 532437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exponentials and tensors and things < 1536659532 617536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-> r) -| (-> r) < 1536659543 900420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree comonads? Do I know any other good cofree things? < 1536659550 525696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess Coyoneda is a cofree functor.) < 1536659582 3444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else? I'm missing a lot here. < 1536659657 394743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abelianization is a left adjoint of the inclusion functor Ab -> Grp < 1536659674 996429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's definitely forgetful. < 1536659682 720961 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1536659693 345514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that the free abelian group on a group. < 1536659759 675593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, uh, there are a million adjunctions I'm not thinking of here. < 1536659822 757894 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the currying adjunction < 1536659850 61559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exponentials. < 1536659890 716398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1536659924 932489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, I need to sleep < 1536659965 116135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want 4 adjunctions on my desk by end of day. < 1536659988 743136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's the Eilenberg-Moore and Kleisli adjunctions for a monad, of course. < 1536661083 891064 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lukhzhjqfccekepf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536661501 490086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah adjunction, my mortal enemy. < 1536661514 516930 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: elaborate please < 1536661521 738808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where I gave up when trying to get into category theory. < 1536661926 486151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So basically it's a marker stone between abstraction and nonsense for me. < 1536661983 93456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a big part of why I'm trying to do this in Agda is to concretize the nonsense < 1536662447 497399 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1536662600 560684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flow of Holes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57552 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+15758) 10new language; I've been planning this for a while, but wanted examples, an interpreter, pictures, etc. and to post the whole thing at once; however, that's delaying it too much, so just post a spec for now > 1536662630 639837 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57553&oldid=57517 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+20) 10/* F */ +[[Flow of Holes]] > 1536662654 746691 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57554&oldid=57036 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+19) 10+[[Flow of Holes]], even though it's somewhat unfinished > 1536663663 62680 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Game of Life14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57555&oldid=57225 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+1) 10grammar < 1536667524 138855 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnngqzyfqollbsxj JOIN :#esoteric < 1536667876 859816 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536668603 458577 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1536669230 877827 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sinthorion/drafts/Unsafe14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57556 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+3731) 10Created page with "'''Unsafe''' is a programming language designed with two main considerations: * ''extremely'' lightweight runtime (no data types, no GC, not even a proper stack...) * ''extrem..." < 1536669352 363140 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536672348 491591 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D232.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536672643 760921 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bpuoybsgqbwbfatg JOIN :#esoteric < 1536672775 998358 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1536673672 108605 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536674418 508414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536674565 960062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1536674928 443902 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536675092 580988 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! I think this is the language ais523 mentioned earlier that he was trying to design < 1536675096 207090 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Flow_of_Holes < 1536675887 475262 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Ping timeout: 600 seconds < 1536675903 266333 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnngqzyfqollbsxj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536675989 579793 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric > 1536676257 971270 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57557&oldid=57401 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+329) 10prime factor numbers < 1536676328 772874 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1536676835 804082 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D232.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536677317 832896 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536677368 868727 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1536678461 690028 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536678478 327564 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536679562 360642 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536679908 483769 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536680167 489591 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536680422 973680 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536682117 752293 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536682578 417552 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-243-244.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536682749 317081 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgzopaaqkugusxeg JOIN :#esoteric < 1536682832 346752 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! < 1536682858 112354 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffee - coffee < 1536683116 606455 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coffee < 1536683117 803614 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is a strange brew. Enticing wisps of vapour catch the eye, the soul ensnared into dark vortices of flavour. Some minds mix in milk and sugar to counteract coffee's black magic. < 1536683135 814356 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ffee < 1536683136 904906 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffee? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536683159 133069 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why is there a zwsp in that < 1536683178 833414 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode < 1536683179 563051 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536683186 434673 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode °​_ < 1536683187 803022 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN \ UTF-8: c2 b0 UTF-16BE: 00b0 Decimal: ° \ ° \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ET (European Number Terminator) \ \ U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE \ UTF-8: e2 80 8b UTF-16BE: 200b Decimal: ​ \ ​ \ Category: Cf (Other, Format) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+005F LOW LINE \ UTF-8: 5f UTF-16BE: 005f Decimal: _ \ _ \ Category: Pc (Punctuation, Connector) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1536683552 149641 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is somewhat bizarre < 1536683580 253441 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: irssi sometimes displays zwsp with a width of 1, sometimes with 0 < 1536683695 190807 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even crazier, it depends on which way I tab through my channels. tabbing leftward, it displays zwsp with a width of 1 thus showing up with the glyph my font has for it. tabbing rightward, the opposite happens! < 1536683803 444666 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode needs to take more effort defining how their standard works in a fixed-width environment < 1536683819 371672 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536685890 495494 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536687194 959604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536687538 872894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What about adjunctions in Haskell? Do you accept those? < 1536687575 348881 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1536687688 952303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make State out of (e,) -| (e->)? It's p. good. < 1536687722 372394 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop pretending that abstract nonsense makes sense :P < 1536687734 499926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is concrete nonsense! < 1536687740 297393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstract sense? < 1536687749 7330 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category theory < 1536687750 453176 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the theory of categories, category theory is a theory in the category of theories. < 1536687753 507185 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1536687769 267530 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, "abstract nonsense" is a common term for "category theory" :P > 1536687777 533362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sinthorion/drafts/Unsafe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57558&oldid=57556 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+4362) 10 < 1536687784 321308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a specific flavor of category theory < 1536687829 696487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, the point is, you have two functions: eps :: (e, e -> a) -> a, and eta :: a -> (e -> (e, a)) < 1536687989 196497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the laws eps . fmap eta = id and fmap eps . eta = id < 1536688005 931282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stop saying things because this is a bit rude. < 1536688020 314568 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536688352 403793 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536688384 776525 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's an enticing zwisp < 1536688432 486591 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: so the same instances of zwsp in the same lines display differently depending on the previous tab? does it persist if after switching the tab you press control-L to redraw the screen? < 1536688476 95820 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: something like this could happen if the terminal and whatever console-driver library (or libc) your irssi uses has different idea about the width of that character < 1536688520 776158 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: is at least your terminal taking utf-8 encoding and does irssi know that correctly? < 1536688630 262225 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: perhaps it could also happen if you're using an old font that doesn't have the right glyph for the zwsp character < 1536688788 858947 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: does it also happen with the U+FEFF character used instead of the U+200B ? < 1536688850 77410 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1536689263 812756 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536689376 511016 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536689403 961826 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536691010 489767 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1536691075 172112 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I experimented a bit. basically it depends on tmux, not irssi per se. tmux redraws the screen differently depending on whether it has to erase the line or not < 1536691099 473802 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hmm. < 1536691125 638743 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: still, some of the comments apply. does it happen if you have irssi redraw the screen and then have tmux redraw the screen? < 1536691134 410252 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it happen with U+FEFF? < 1536691144 241189 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is some of the software you're using very old versions? < 1536691164 107968 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check for the font < 1536691184 237112 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using iterm2, so the terminal is new. the font is my own font which provides a visible character for zwsp < 1536691218 269472 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which normally is never drawn) < 1536691223 479424 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how about tmux, irssi, and the libc under both? < 1536691241 364477 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is a very old version < 1536691242 849346 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right... you use your own font. so at least that one is fine < 1536691345 728971 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to hear more instrumental synth pop music during work. I'm not familiar enough with the genre because it wasn't played enough on the pop radio stations I listened to, but I think there are a lot of songs I'd enjoy and I should get to know the genre more. < 1536691376 349677 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536691395 68846 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why so many packages on modern ubuntu are extremely old versions < 1536691403 101018 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like nano for instance < 1536691557 168606 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: nobody likes to do the chore of packaging new versions of sotware < 1536691680 234162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sotware < 1536691681 596356 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sotware? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536691861 880850 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1536691865 60001 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :software obviously < 1536691870 349605 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1536691959 538948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sotware is the result of drunk coding. See also: Microsot; Ballmer Peak.) < 1536692191 277170 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the newest LTS version finally updated nano to a version above 2.7 < 1536692228 450969 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2.7 added the all-important ability to display line numbers!) < 1536692515 339622 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536692522 274910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "nano" is a bilingual name deriving from Austrian "na" (i.e., no) and English "no" (i.e., no). ) < 1536693559 211579 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1536693579 358653 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric > 1536696612 445512 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sinthorion/drafts/Unsafe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57559&oldid=57558 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (-14) 10/* Runtime and Memory */ < 1536696683 614326 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-016-215.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536696904 564114 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgzopaaqkugusxeg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536698141 533724 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-016-215.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536698167 492208 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-016-215.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536699468 409470 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536700101 311016 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536700544 409306 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536700852 777971 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536700933 564475 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536701238 519641 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536702208 25955 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536702573 614334 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric < 1536704125 352902 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536705607 520066 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536705900 399392 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536706047 413343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536706775 152865 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgdzowwcpmeihgxu JOIN :#esoteric > 1536707163 754042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minsky machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57560&oldid=45819 5* 03B jonas 5* (+140) 10mention Aho, Ullman book < 1536707916 736575 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1536707925 219371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57561&oldid=56866 5* 03B jonas 5* (+87) 10/* Year of creation */ > 1536708095 21614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PL/MIX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57562&oldid=54835 5* 03B jonas 5* (+306) 10year, unimplemented < 1536708161 933364 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536708378 944132 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536709320 952000 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536709341 385148 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536709599 648098 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a demoscene for MMIX? There should be < 1536710918 979771 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1536714274 829149 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:4d0:6fe6:b404:4255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536715049 492567 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:ad6f:7614:2f53:1473 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536716615 696919 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:3ca7:68b6:64be:c3d5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536718612 432203 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536718753 463392 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536718911 435547 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536720552 874409 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mgdzowwcpmeihgxu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536723330 767801 :Guest61282!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1536724556 457544 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536725129 531659 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536725412 336835 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536725633 283425 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iiqnfhznwlkezdci JOIN :#esoteric > 1536729396 784925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Saka14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57563&oldid=57266 5* 03Saka 5* (+257) 10 < 1536729776 933910 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536729854 487084 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536731378 398258 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536731608 310551 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536731866 311141 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536731977 82388 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1536732914 594415 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536732944 597945 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536733497 496867 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536733773 491424 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536733985 705585 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iiqnfhznwlkezdci QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536735427 382857 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536735901 968834 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536735909 701429 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536736144 772430 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1536737282 99959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Game of Life14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57564&oldid=57555 5* 03Ais523 5* (+202) 10mention that 144 is the smallest known TC starting population < 1536738153 235740 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536738513 456803 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536740305 491119 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536740421 380669 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536740431 253783 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bpuoybsgqbwbfatg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536740559 478946 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536740673 637727 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536740743 855850 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536742611 150607 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1536742730 335932 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536743001 401486 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536743738 434643 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536743778 879273 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? instance < 1536743780 166220 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536743786 167471 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"instance" is among my favourite words < 1536743977 49234 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: with what operating system and libraries presumed? linux? NNIX? demoscenes typically want to give interesting output, such as nice videos and sounds, so just "MMIX" isn't enough to specify what you can access, just like "486 with 16M RAM" or "6502 with 64K RAM" aren't enough either. < 1536744587 444614 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536744849 389441 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536745576 696718 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536745684 493263 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536745767 915643 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536745950 491954 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536747133 461943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sorry for spoiling your teaching moment... I have too many other things on my mind, I'm afraid. So while I'm prepare to reminisce about the fact that adjunctions foiled me (15 years ago, give or take), I'm not really prepared to learn about them now. < 1536747312 491935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It wasn't so much a teaching moment as me rambling about a thing incoherently to an audience that already expressed disinterest. < 1536747359 719573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we both felt bad about that... great. :/ < 1536747448 613047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1536747454 56618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't feel bad about it twh < 1536747598 393717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the past tense. Feeling better now :P < 1536747602 489709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or :) < 1536747651 217167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'd bet a third party that adjunctions wouldn't foil you if you spent a small time on them < 1536747668 498132 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Small realization: ":P" is easier to type than ":)"...) < 1536747683 867903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say a disinterested party but then i realized that wouldn't rule you out < 1536747735 443900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should do more actual betting to get better at estimating odds. < 1536747749 938795 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indifference is a strong factor here. < 1536747801 437465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, back to work... < 1536747804 822414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should bet you that you won't figure it out. < 1536747824 299798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote indifference < 1536747825 278211 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1320) <shachaf> int-e does not like this [...] <int-e> shachaf: I experience heightened levels of indifference :P <shachaf> Higher than your usual? 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(www.adiirc.com) < 1536780188 614543 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536780508 600928 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536780820 494244 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536781334 880980 :lldd_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1536781599 732313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing (Joshop)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57571&oldid=55856 5* 03Joshop 5* (-901) 10Blanked the page < 1536781955 779203 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1536782093 651998 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cappuccino14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57572 5* 03Joshop 5* (+368) 10Created page with "== Description == Cappuccino is like Java, but different. In fact, it is almost identical to Java,but with some key differences. For example, if you try to access a class that..." > 1536782751 31419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cappuccino14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57573&oldid=57572 5* 03Joshop 5* (+398) 10 < 1536786688 371316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536786707 358050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1536786707 718924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1536787281 476272 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536787617 310053 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536788396 822581 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536788469 33632 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536788607 463206 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536788630 591849 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536789784 367243 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536789850 491977 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536789869 413321 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536789948 282188 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "There's a conceptual difference between, say, the :*()^a! subset of Underload and the :()^ subset of Underload; the former lets you build "arbitrary Underload circuits", the latter doesn't and yet it's still TC. The "fixed maximum population count" version of Life is an example of the latter, whereas most actual effort in Life programming < 1536789948 419509 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has concentrated on the former." => < 1536790014 5717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: did your comment get cut off? that's just a quote of me, plus => < 1536790027 754271 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand by what you mean by arbitrary circuits in the Life case. It's sometimes not even easy to tell what constructs you can get as a rectangular subsection of a one-step evolution of any pattern. < 1536790057 216593 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not cut off. I broke it deliberately there.) < 1536790063 876850 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, guess what: < 1536790082 591964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal standard is "anything that can be constructed via colliding gliders", which turns out to be almost everything < 1536790116 932622 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud, because the IRC timing sword cuts both ways: schmorp just told me something close to "I have to leave now because I'm tired, I only stayed up because you were in [the irc channel]" < 1536790151 406942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the closest thing to a cellular automaton that could be made relativistic? < 1536790175 351970 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1536790268 80953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you talking about Game of Life or in general? < 1536790278 719288 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: special relativistic (Lorentz) or general relativistic (Minkowski/Riemann)? < 1536790294 495080 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you probably couldn't put either on a simple grid < 1536790300 735598 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to use something more tricky < 1536790384 880816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I don't think relativistic effects could happen in Game of Life. < 1536790403 566875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Special relativistic would be enough (both would be interesting) < 1536790432 152381 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't really understand that < 1536790467 529052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this language I've been thinking about for ages in which relativity seems to become a natural part of the mechanics… < 1536790493 846983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually got me thinking about the "is the universe a simulation" concept; if it /is/, you'd expect something like relativity to exist, as otherwise the simulation would be hard to parallelise < 1536790608 200200 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? no. you'd only expect a speed of light (maximal speed) to exist. you wouldn't expect Lorentz-invariance because you wouldn't expect Gallilei invariance in the low speed region in first place. < 1536790621 838810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You'd expect locality, but why relativity? < 1536790665 417734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: shachaf: basically because you want there to be a maximum rate at which values can change, so that you know when transitions will happen; if you have a maximum velocity relative to a fixed reference, the sum or difference of two velocities can exceed that < 1536790672 152755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow you want a calculation of the form c + c = c < 1536790691 419032 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think a maximal speed like in our universe is useful for the anthropic principle too, because it means people can't travel interstellar distances quickly, so anything fast-spreading like an explosion or a civilization won't be able to form a virus that eats everything else in the universe. < 1536790693 752741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, something like the game of life has a speed of light and doesn't even have a primitive notion of velocity. < 1536790720 492979 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why you'd expect Gallilei invariance for a simulation or for the anthropic principle. I don't understand why it would help. < 1536790753 348410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's also inherently slow, I suspect; it'd be interesting to see how fast Life computers can calculate in computational class terms < 1536790761 660386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, complexity class terms < 1536790785 258700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is relativity compatible with a Hashlife-style algorithm in a nice way? < 1536790792 960612 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Game of Life, for example, has a fixed reference frame. It's not as nice as our universe, which has gravity that keeps people and their nuclear bombs at least bound onto the surface of big iron balls, so they can't just expand everywhere like some Life patterns do. < 1536790815 317029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of life also doesn't have conservation of energy (?) < 1536790820 580063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is energy? I don't even know, man. < 1536790833 188536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: game of life has a maximum movement speed that's different from c < 1536790843 352308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a pattern can't move faster than c/2 orthogonally or c/4 diagonally forever < 1536790847 135842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the maximum information transmission speed is c < 1536790848 315291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a conservation rule that implies that < 1536790855 486886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean c is achievable < 1536790855 888080 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So while Life has a fixed reference frame, I don't expect it to evolve nice small regions separated by long hard to cross empty space so that a supernova or civilization in one place can't destroy too big a region. < 1536790874 860691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, c's achievable for information, but you then have to spend time slowly repairing the communication medium you used < 1536790884 699020 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compared to us, a supernova explosion still is huge and destructive, but compared to a galaxy, it doesn't matter, and the universe is much bigger than that, < 1536790899 663098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :communication that fast is necessarily destructive < 1536790911 862878 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has galaxies separated by huge empty spaces, and even clusters of galaxies separated by even larger mostly empty spaces. < 1536790918 156790 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all because of gravity < 1536790980 306706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem with Life is that it seems inherently hard/impossible to make a self-repairing machine < 1536791012 501879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physics seems to have a primitive notion of velocity as well as position (?) < 1536791014 668629 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hubble expansion also helps, because with Gallilei/Lorentz-invariance, normally you'd expect various galaxies having very huge speed compared to each other, since a huge speed doesn't internally change them, so they'd get close randomly, whereas with a Hubble expansion, they get close much less often < 1536791020 70767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is different from any cellular automaton I know. < 1536791022 603442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make machines that are protected against very specific sorts of disturbance (e.g. a glider on a particular path), but I don't think it's possible in general to make something that can determine that part of it has been damaged, clear that space, and recreate the damaged component < 1536791026 355557 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems like the relativity is just making this harder. < 1536791027 818745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearing the space is too hard < 1536791036 695524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you shoot gliders at it you might just end up making a crystal < 1536791125 630242 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, and I'm not saying that this physics is bad, only that I don't understand why this happens to be a good design, and why a simulation or the anthropic principle would imply such a design < 1536791142 846273 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably some partial explanations for why certain other designs wouldn't work as well < 1536791173 424150 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric < 1536791203 647505 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1536791219 266640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, let me express it this way: suppose that position isn't the only thing that has a "speed of light" < 1536791225 935413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose /every/ number in your system has a maximum rate at which it can change < 1536791244 974843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you end up with something like relativity because you need to be able to handle changes to the results of formulas, in addition to the variables they use < 1536791270 176762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that give you something like relativity? < 1536791300 350174 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't understand why you'd end up relativity that just for that. Why couldn't you end up with a fixed reference frame with objects generally moving with slow speed, a fixed upper limit on speed, and objects generally accelerating slowly? < 1536791309 434676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: say 1 is the largest number that exists < 1536791316 655344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then addition has to be defined in a way that lets you do 1+1 < 1536791364 952497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: suppose you have multiple forces acting on the same object < 1536791380 734013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid going over the maximum acceleration you need to cap the sum somehow < 1536791401 204414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it with saturating caps, but relativistic addition seems neater in a way < 1536791404 144834 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the accelerations could add up with a v0+v1-v0v1 rule < 1536791417 920715 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry < 1536791422 649949 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speed could add up that way < 1536791434 767338 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like in our universe < 1536791444 908055 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only have one reference frame where that works < 1536791454 819573 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work after anything like a gallilei transformation < 1536791464 437785 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that still end up with special relativity? hmm < 1536791476 846554 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no, that would be special relativity < 1536791476 940324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I don't think you necessarily get /all/ the rules of relativity this way; you just need something that has similar mathematical consequences to it < 1536791477 999558 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1536791561 126617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I mean is "you can't deduce the rules of relativity this way, just the existence of relativity" < 1536791595 845963 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I'll think about that < 1536791669 866688 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even crazier part is why we have quantum mechanics of course < 1536791710 306774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum mechanics doesn't violate locality, at least. < 1536791767 343404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is quantum mechanics simply a real-life implementation of nondeterminism? < 1536791774 149971 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1536791777 692606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the declarative languages concept, I mean? < 1536791784 337672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty peculiar kind of nondeterminism. < 1536791790 799911 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it's just that < 1536791792 847352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because different threads can interfere < 1536791886 991535 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum mechanics is strange, you can't really compare it to anything you've seen before quantum mechanics. it implies some things, like randomness and stuff, but it's not JUST that. < 1536791904 583187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you need any randomness for quantum mechanics? < 1536791919 49698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you're simulating it. < 1536791944 197791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it only looks random from the "inside", picking a particular world < 1536791952 499395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1536791985 275896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interference of probabilities between worlds is weird, but it isn't that much weirder than, say, the cut operator in Prolog < 1536791992 545768 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's... complicated. you can say you don't need randomness to simulate it in the sense that you don't need randomness to simulate classical randomness if you want to compute the probability distribution in the end. in that sense, you also don't need randomness to simulate quantum mechanics. but then you have a choose a sample in the end, o < 1536791992 683236 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nly in case of quantum mechanics, it's not clear what the "in the end" part means. < 1536792009 735301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does there need to be an end? < 1536792080 955982 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because you can't just choose a sample earlier. not even necessarily reduce the amount of samples. you have to keep the whole probability distributions for the whole time. but then when does a sample get chosen? is it chosen once for the whole universe, sort of after or outside the whole thing?\ < 1536792103 608975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to choose a sample at all? < 1536792154 574300 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536792200 673010 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so that eventually there's only one outcome we see < 1536792205 254413 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of everything < 1536792210 741865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you're in the simulation like we are. < 1536792234 416820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're simulating it it all seems deterministic. < 1536792238 677360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that if you pick a sample at any point, you need to violate locality and do it globally. Right? < 1536792238 894803 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does "simulation" change anything here? < 1536792253 122579 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 was arguing for a "simulation" for how to make it efficiently parallelizable < 1536792285 800239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by who "we" is who's seeing the outcome. < 1536792289 407866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone inside the system or outside? < 1536792293 331019 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, that's the whole problem < 1536792394 338799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536792409 451670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For someone inside the system making an observation, you don't need to sample, you just get a superposition or whatever it is of multiple possible observations. Right? < 1536792427 798031 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1536792439 195999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For someone outside the system making an observation, you need to violate locality, which is scow. < 1536792457 201632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like wanting there to be just a single sample is an inside-the-system view of things. From the outside why would you want it? < 1536792508 291351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you want to keep the entire superposition for everything, you'll need a huge amount of memory < 1536792521 591588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1536792535 334511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe collapse is a form of stop-the-world GC. < 1536792543 714107 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not really my problem though < 1536792544 290210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense that there'd be some sort of cut/prune operation going on < 1536792553 308109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means that some samples will have a higher status than others < 1536792576 964510 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but there are almost certainly no cut/prune operations, at least not observable ones. < 1536792643 232151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "state collapse due to observation" may be one, in which case it might be observable by definition! < 1536792648 398782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem to use the same rules as those in Prolog though < 1536792694 948143 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but we suspect there's no mandatory collapses, or at least some people think there aren't any, although we aren't quite sure, because some people like Gil Kalai think there are < 1536792749 986846 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't prove it either way yet, we'll need a technically hard experiment to prove that there are no mandatory collapses, or some crazy new mathematics to prove that there are mandatory collapses < 1536792790 103149 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless some of what we strongly believe is incorrect of course < 1536792799 442737 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be even more surprising than any of the other two < 1536792842 63697 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1536792918 648128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, I'd be very surprised if we didn't have at least one really major misconception about physics < 1536792953 14524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, our theories of physics are p. fundamentally incompatible with each other, aren't they? < 1536792960 130855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine a way that we wouldn't have one. < 1536792961 318226 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, but not in the part that implies these < 1536792976 908422 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we probably still have misconceptions about modern particle physics, we don't understand how it works < 1536792983 485961 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not about the basic quantum mechanics rules < 1536793004 904717 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about the speed limit and lorentz-invariance < 1536793014 272358 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of the other conservation laws < 1536793077 770892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are way too confident :-D < 1536793100 27026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 years ago few people would have had doubts about Newtonian gravity < 1536793107 722939 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just saying, I'm more confident in that than whether the other questions < 1536793117 304582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 years ago maybe < 1536793119 116209 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's still no problem with newtonian gravity < 1536794878 288144 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536794882 675880 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536795022 246574 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our math is probably basically right but our reasoning is probably way off. Just like keplers laws < 1536795143 879180 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536795534 770827 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536795813 491443 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536795818 898847 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536796118 917335 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536797203 426633 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536797222 745376 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbfobjrmnkptjbzr JOIN :#esoteric < 1536797682 508194 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG un-rules question. I Ctyoshape my Adorable Kitten into a Myr Welder, then tap for the imprint ability exiling a ________, then use its newly gained ability to change its name to Firemaw Kavu. < 1536797687 606680 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My next turn, the Adorable Kitten no longer have any of its fancy new abilities, but its name remains Firemaw Kavu and it regains the Host supertype. I then augment that Host with a Serpentine, then does the augmented permanent's name become the same as that of an ordinary Serpentine Kavu, for the purpose of Sever the Bloodline? < 1536797803 390121 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536797830 74710 :wob_jonas!b03f18df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.223 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536798320 823042 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536800174 423809 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.120.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536800174 564085 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.120.69 QUIT :Client Quit < 1536800212 292752 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536801118 370883 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536801376 328774 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536802940 440589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could something like Core Wars be done on C64... somehow? Load two programs that "fight" each other, somehow? < 1536802946 337972 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to define victory < 1536802984 309832 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hmm the OS doesn't automatically provide multitasking. C64 can preemptively multitask, but that requires software to set up, hmm < 1536802992 411856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably isn't multithreaded enough < 1536803000 819074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs would just attack the scheduler to get more time < 1536807594 377841 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536807853 400728 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536807980 429555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1536809713 344758 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536810606 878030 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536810877 617708 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536811136 633051 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536812083 652076 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-scoxgeewwuiudkme QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536812280 717341 :JWinslow23!62901603@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.144.22.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536812340 189881 :JWinslow23!62901603@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.144.22.3 PART :#esoteric < 1536814125 901863 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536814156 425376 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536814396 888024 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536814919 473180 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536815012 750814 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of a pity that the SYSV function memset got standardized in ANSI C89 and spread by the second edition K&R book rather than the BSD function bzero. The extra parameter is almost never used and just adds a potential to confuse the order of the last two parameters. < 1536815094 369218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe C ought to have keyword arguments. < 1536815135 959351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was thinking about what it would take for a vaguely C-like (or C++-like?) language to have functions that only take a single struct/tuple argument. < 1536815145 616373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any language that does that well? < 1536815321 516941 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGeo_: I don't think the 6502 is a good idea for any preemptive multitasking application. 6502 code generally uses the low 512 bytes of memory space because of special addressing modes give conciseness of code for speed and speed, plus also must use self-modifying instructions for some things. Unless you're thinking of a very low memory context lik < 1536815321 694280 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e the ATARI 2600 with the 128 byte of RAM and at most 2K or 4K ROM < 1536815471 295595 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you count languages that also have currying, like standard ML or Haskell? < 1536815618 436483 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you count the small underlying core language for Wikiplia, which has ordinary multi-argument function calls, but on the function definition side it only has a variadic lambda builtin, which gets all the arguments on a single list, and you have to unpack arguments from that list with a strange deconsing function that can distinguish betw < 1536815618 727762 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :een all approx. ten builtin datatypes but you can omit the last arms and the first arm is for decoding a cons < 1536815665 148532 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at Atari 2600 < 1536815674 653834 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of it, didn't realize there was that little RAM < 1536815724 628309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't really count currying, because I'm imagining something roughly on the level of C with no automatic closures everywhere and so on. < 1536815733 408434 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGeo_: it also has a less powerful variant of 6502 with the same integrated core but a smaller wiring around it so it only has 12 bits of address space < 1536815743 32285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think I count that either. < 1536815751 535462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want, y'know, a calling convention for structs. < 1536815789 281596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which C already has. At least on the amd64 System V ABI a struct will get unpacked into registers and so on, though I think it's a little different from the calling convention for arguments. < 1536815817 292847 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and no video frame buffer at all. The programmer must prepare each line of video output one at a time as it is being sent to the television." < 1536815830 570488 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in C it wouldn't historically had made sense, because it would have been inefficient, but sure, you could imagine some language that does that, and there probably is one out there, I just don't know a good example < 1536815838 321490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it have made sense in C? < 1536815839 441703 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think Standard M < 1536815849 448593 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore last line < 1536815854 982588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, other than lack of tuples or type inference or something, if you'd need that. < 1536815858 172572 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C64 sounds like a huge luxury in comparison... although could you get arbitrary colors in arbitrary pixels on Atari 2600? < 1536815861 309043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what you'd need. < 1536815878 610656 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because it was compiled on small compilers, and the API for passing separate arguments is just more efficient than the API for passing a struct in most calling conventions < 1536815899 833638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it wouldn't have made sense quite for C itself, but for a language similar to C. < 1536815911 475778 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except on modern machines in certain cases for very small structs < 1536815928 959794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the calling convention for structs is defined the way it's defined for C functions. < 1536815944 444354 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then the standard calling convention often misses, so you have to rely on optimization if you want passing structs that aren't just trivial wrappers for a single element efficiently < 1536815984 765223 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 128 bytes... I guess machine code is run from ROM, instead of being stored in RAM? < 1536815986 92099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously this wouldn't work in C-as-it-is because things are defined differently. < 1536815993 942017 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for trivial wrappers for a single element, the calling conventions that are new enough to have come after decent optimizing compilers like the x86_64 one do the Right Thing generally, so you don't lose anything over passing its single element < 1536815996 143773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering about something similar to C. < 1536816008 664446 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for what you want, you need to pass structs bigger than a single element < 1536816078 924320 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably an example I'm missing, like some of those functional language models, but I gtg now, sorry < 1536816134 936932 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think a low-level functional language is more likely to use that < 1536816145 952272 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there was, I think a low-level pointfree language like that < 1536816146 264634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep answering questions that are vaguely similar to but also completely different from what I'm asking, it seems like. < 1536816152 536969 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find it later < 1536816155 169974 :wob_jonas!b03f181d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.29 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536816164 936331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it means I'm asking the question badly. < 1536816524 849322 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536817350 491572 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536817580 550210 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536817615 492953 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536817890 492070 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536819264 548881 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536820500 440498 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536821064 974097 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536821177 625779 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536821398 79599 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I understand you want a low-level C-like language like that, but a non-esoteric one that's used for real world programming might not exist, because in older compilers, it could be hard to avoid the penalty < 1536821398 826365 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of creating and decomposing the tuple (although it could perhaps be avoided if you wrote the compiler just right), and in newer compilers, it would not make sense the forego the easy syntactic convenience of multi-argument functions. < 1536821486 915280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there easy syntactic convenience? < 1536821492 730520 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I should look up which language it was that was mostly used on paper, not in a computer implementation, but is an old language that's not deliberately esoteric, and is a pointfree lambdaless functional language that enocourages or perhaps even forces you to use tuples to pass multiple args < 1536821520 42063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the tuple syntax is (a,b,c) and the application syntax was juxtaposition, then you could write f(a,b,c), just like in C < 1536821567 609154 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm. < 1536821661 497485 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need conditionals, but perhaps you could have a built-in ifelse that always takes three arguments (you can't use lazy evaluation if you want this C-like, and you probably can't use lambdas passed to an ifelse either because that is hard to make C-like and probably impossible to avoid extra parenthesis) < 1536821680 845214 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.... hmm < 1536821690 821754 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a one-variable lambda could work too? < 1536821704 336956 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still... < 1536821726 985296 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: would you have patterns in the function head like in haskell/ml/prolog to decompose the tuple easily? < 1536821768 456805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if isn't a function in C, I don't see why it would be one here. < 1536821885 165454 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, that could work. though you'd also probably need something like local variables and possibly sequencing, or something to replace them < 1536822560 721371 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, I'm sure there's such a language. and it's even somewhat similar to the much newer David Madore's original version of amycus in some ways. < 1536822600 782084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I was wondering how such a thing would work, especially when you add more details. < 1536822628 473351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you probably want to support keyword arguments, which are the same as named struct/tuple members. < 1536822646 246150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You maybe want to support varargs of some sort? < 1536822655 969293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe default arguments though I'm not sold on those. < 1536822712 356920 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536822737 702167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have struct-style keyword arguments, presumably the function definition site defines a struct and then the call site creates it. < 1536822766 53191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are various tricky questions I think? < 1536822779 83617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like on the whole it could still be simpler than C, though. < 1536822793 610899 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic idea is that the main primitives are what liftM, liftM2, liftM3, liftM4, liftM5 etc do on the (->) instance, but they go up to arbitrary number of arguments, plus functions taking the nth argument of a tuple and composing a tuple, and probably some conditionals too < 1536822837 917361 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the liftM, liftM2, liftM3, ... base is sort of true for both that language I'm looking for and Madore's original Amycus < 1536822878 969480 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in both, instead of curried functions, they work of single-argument functions that always get a tuple input < 1536822932 789995 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in David's original Amycus, IIRC you only get to call functions with tuples (I'm lazy to look up the rules now), whereas in that other language, you call them directly with one argument, and have to make the tuple yourself < 1536822969 862110 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, I think passing a tuple instead of using curry is used as a programming style in standard ML because for older compilers it was easier to optimize < 1536823015 760319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer something that doesn't rely on the optimizer. < 1536823054 587273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currying is very complicated, in principle you have to create closures and things only to consume them immediately, and then the optimizer turns it back into the tuple code which you could have written anyway. < 1536823083 710084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you do apply only some of the arguments, then the closure has to be created, which is probably a hidden memory allocation? < 1536823090 239150 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure, now I'm just trying to find that pointfree language for myself, even without your question < 1536823173 484429 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the standard library prelude of standard ML has some functions that use that convention < 1536823191 124645 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. foldl and foldr both take a callback that takes a 2-tuple < 1536823248 679092 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for some other things it uses currying: foldl and foldr itself takes the callback, the initial value, and the list as three curried arguments < 1536823262 750902 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other functions are also similarly inconsistent < 1536823358 557467 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, there are only a few functions in the prelude where that makes a difference: the rest either have infix syntax so you rarely see the tuple explicitly written, or take only one argument and no callback with multiple arguments, so neither currying nor tuples come up < 1536823759 441587 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? how is there no mention of "pointfree" anywhere on the wiki, even though we have articles for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKI_combinator_calculus and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B,_C,_K,_W_system < 1536823841 192530 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I must have mistyped the word < 1536823844 850418 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1536823869 838585 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_programming and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-free < 1536823990 722062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the wiki" is Wikipedia now? < 1536824008 406655 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no sorry < 1536824017 490828 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm searching the wrong thing now < 1536824029 897995 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1536824038 205654 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't notice at first beacuse they're both white < 1536824061 614758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: petition to make esolangs.org lime green < 1536824068 86402 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the same style < 1536824077 441352 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean same visual style theme < 1536824092 670280 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the orignal statements stands, there's no match for pointfree on the wiki < 1536824123 377194 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I got there from esowiki by an external link < 1536824190 492812 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1536824195 622738 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57574&oldid=45435 5* 03B jonas 5* (+34) 10/* External resources */ > 1536824233 291338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57575&oldid=57574 5* 03B jonas 5* (+67) 10/* Alternative Primitives */ > 1536824436 941046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57576&oldid=57575 5* 03B jonas 5* (+65) 10BCKW > 1536824540 750070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57577&oldid=57576 5* 03B jonas 5* (+6) 10/* Non-primitives */ < 1536824589 493058 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1536824763 502398 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57578&oldid=57577 5* 03B jonas 5* (+71) 10/* External resources */ < 1536824981 904861 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the u-szeged kk got a completely different homepage and catalog now, with some of the old links broken, specifically the ones to the catalog, although at least http://ww2.bibl.u-szeged.hu/ redirects < 1536825358 476696 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1536825798 427595 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57579&oldid=8031 5* 03B jonas 5* (+299) 10 > 1536825839 261983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57580&oldid=57579 5* 03B jonas 5* (+120) 10/* Keywords */ < 1536826795 479138 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1536827186 316012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57581 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1813) 10create article > 1536828426 537421 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57582&oldid=57578 5* 03B jonas 5* (+707) 10expand BCKI, point to new pointfree article > 1536829523 804744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57583&oldid=57582 5* 03B jonas 5* (+372) 10more BCKW vs SKI > 1536829544 147085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57584&oldid=57583 5* 03B jonas 5* (-1) 10/* BCKW calculus */ > 1536829709 733878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57585&oldid=57584 5* 03B jonas 5* (-8) 10/* See also */ > 1536829760 180254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57586&oldid=57585 5* 03B jonas 5* (+15) 10/* See also */ > 1536829860 848312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57587&oldid=57581 5* 03B jonas 5* (+34) 10link functional < 1536830102 594436 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARN IT < 1536830106 64226 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1536830129 542570 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you OK? < 1536830146 516355 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I found the tuple-based pointfree functional language I was looking for: it's linked right from the [[Amycus]] article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP_(programming_language) > 1536830307 180724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57588&oldid=57587 5* 03B jonas 5* (-48) 10 < 1536830337 908056 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's the one that only has single-argument functions and you must use tuples < 1536830415 25318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but the fact that you can use tuples to make single-argument functions work isn't interesting. < 1536830424 454176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also how math functions works. < 1536830425 619734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1536830469 848154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interesting part is making it work in a low-level language with respect to types and memory layout and so on. < 1536830533 199736 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still editing the wiki a bit < 1536830543 306359 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1536830601 339631 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still interesting for me because it gives one of the simpler models for a pointfree functional language with multi-argument functions, whereas SKI calculus and BCKW calculus give that with curried functions < 1536830608 295839 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1536830672 826416 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FP gives a model with tuples and single-argument functions, the language Amycus was supposed to be gives a simple model for multi-argument functions (if you ignore the arithmetic part), and what I said above for curried functinos < 1536830865 214054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions + tuples is more complicated than just functions, of course. > 1536830915 253344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57589 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2944) 10Created page with "'''The language Amycus was supposed to be''' is simple Turing-equivalent programming language defined by [[David Madore]] in [http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-11-16...." < 1536830968 310340 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but curried functions are also more complicated than just functions, and multi-argument functions are more complicated than just functions < 1536830977 903969 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so neither is obviously simpler than the others > 1536831589 781209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57590&oldid=57589 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2951) 10 > 1536831880 706147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57591&oldid=52397 5* 03B jonas 5* (+147) 10 < 1536831985 377933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is the lime not green already? < 1536831997 764734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean make the background lime green. < 1536832001 921214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad idea hth < 1536832012 575979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would help people not confuse it with wikipedia > 1536832082 581383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57592&oldid=57591 5* 03B jonas 5* (+172) 10 < 1536832145 421111 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make the sidebar a shade of lime? < 1536832198 149279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh, are you at the categories summer school in Amsterdam this week? < 1536832214 651164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am not, I'm afraid < 1536832227 487243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't realise there was one < 1536832238 494681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's a summer school in algebra and topology. The thing only said "categories" because it was on the categories mailing list. < 1536832286 888300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not in Amsterdam? < 1536832298 430936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the thing my friend went to in Amsterdam wasn't the thing I had on my calendar. < 1536832393 728854 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm definitely not at the categories summer school in Amsterdam that isnt about categories and isn't in Amsterdam < 1536832406 917423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you tell you aren't > 1536832437 668656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07David Madore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57593&oldid=52889 5* 03B jonas 5* (+263) 10 > 1536832486 923238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07(0)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57594&oldid=52919 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2) 10/* with arrays */ < 1536832506 398941 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm presuming it's still a summer school < 1536832513 208674 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's not even summer any more < 1536832564 208061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1536832566 567016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistakes were made > 1536832616 325654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07(0)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57595&oldid=57594 5* 03B jonas 5* (+27) 10/* with arrays */ < 1536832631 518768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyway you should go < 1536832639 22101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say hi to my friend? < 1536832651 244654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :she probably isn't even there < 1536832660 735422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1536832673 414887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? categories < 1536832674 455986 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1536832677 395501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1536832678 583040 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A category is an enriched category where the enriching category is the category of classes. < 1536832694 592247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg category < 1536832696 669086 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6118:2015-10-22 <tsweẗt> le/rn category/A category is an enriched category where the enriching category is the category of classes. \ 6030:2015-09-24 <tsweẗt> le/rn category/A category is just a category object in the category of classes. \ 5138:2014-11-16 <shachäf> revert 5134 \ 5135:2014-11-16 <ellioẗt> find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El \'(is|are) just\' | xargs rm \ 2611:2013-04-05 <oerjän> revert \ 2610:2013-04-05 <oerjän> lea < 1536832711 538898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoidal category < 1536832712 841359 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoidal categories are just 2-categories with a single object. < 1536832730 264187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: maths < 1536832731 643058 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, linear logic, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms. < 1536832745 992795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? histogram < 1536832747 151862 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Histograms are diagrams showing histamine levels. Taneb invented them. < 1536832803 639492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Cryptography is the practice of charting crypto prices. < 1536832810 510732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't bring myself to put that in wisdom < 1536832854 442581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`owrjan < 1536832855 710767 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal golfing toe-obsessed "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty evil grinch is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1536832886 374186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/g/ideal g/ < 1536832889 310817 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal ideal golfing toe-obsessed "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty evil grinch is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1536833790 947275 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL question. I have a table l with column m that has a small domain and column e that is ordered (has timestamps). I have an input number ?n, and assuming that ?n is greater than the domain of m, < 1536833836 337871 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to exactly ?n rows such that the row from each value of m with the latest e is alwasy shown, and other rows are added so they have the latest e all around. What's an easy way to do this in SQL? < 1536834059 555853 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's something like SELECT mm.* FROM (SELECT * FROM l ORDER BY l.t DESC LIMIT ?n UNION some query here to select the latest row from each group) AS ll ORDER BY ll.m, ll.t ASC LIMIT ?n; < 1536834229 855702 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess that part after the UNION could be SELECT * FROM l WHERE l.e = MAX(l.e) GROUP BY l.m < 1536834236 814189 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ll.t should be ll.e instead above > 1536834307 531111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57596&oldid=57588 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+23) 10Corrected the link to Joy < 1536834338 24230 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there might be a simpler way < 1536834897 334131 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different question, also more practical than esoteric. You have a plastic food container of whose bottom half is filled with rice, then on that are two flat pieces of meat each of which have a size and shape to almost completely fill the horizontal cross-section of the container, then some air over that. You can use the container, its lid (which is < 1536834897 471180 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thus only a bit smaller in area than the meat slices), a knife and a fork to move and slice the meat. < 1536834988 969363 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to use a plate. You can only cut the meat if it's on the lid, and only if there's nothing over it, or if you cut it together with what's over it. Is there a practical way to rearrange and eat all of this such that in each step you first eat a small amount of rice, then a small amount of meat, each time the same amount, and at a rate < 1536834989 103233 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you run out of rice and meat at the same step. < 1536835099 554811 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm no, I defined that in a too easy way. < 1536835137 912681 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't exclude the case when you just cut the two slices of meat together put onto each other all the time, but that's not actually practical. > 1536835722 838477 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07(0)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57597&oldid=57595 5* 03B jonas 5* (+31) 10clarify definition of (0) < 1536838489 408027 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536838803 414515 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536838814 251676 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1536838957 744652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07David Madore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57598&oldid=57593 5* 03B jonas 5* (+83) 10 > 1536838979 577021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07David Madore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57599&oldid=57598 5* 03B jonas 5* (+0) 10 > 1536839051 942635 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57600&oldid=57590 5* 03B jonas 5* (+952) 10 < 1536840091 835196 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536840942 345917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so make esolangs.org (lime green), not make (esolangs.org lime) green. < 1536841752 370315 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536842587 610734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the esolangs.org lime should not be green < 1536842600 416249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why is there a lime?) < 1536843158 476273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's symbolic. < 1536843164 55344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the proper term is "trilime". < 1536843184 986378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1536843271 306024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made https://gamma.zem.fi/~fis/trilime.svg as a potential more abstract replacement, but it was not popular. < 1536843294 257900 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think squares are particularly esoteric < 1536843295 367933 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not use svg stuff for this < 1536843375 703751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea was to cut down on file size. < 1536843389 551517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it'd be smaller rendered as PNG too. < 1536843421 974886 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but a png for the same quares would be pretty tiny too, even more so if you aligned some of the edges to pixel boundaries, but even without that png compresses this stuff pretty well, and crucially, < 1536843437 908050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I meant. < 1536843550 792179 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the png is much more friendly on browser performance, because an SVG has to be stored as heavy objects in browser memory just like any other part of the DOM, because anything in the SVG can be potentially modified by javascript, or even if there's no javascript, the SVG has to be rerendered if CSS computed values change because of reflowing during < 1536843550 927433 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering the page or some element loading or the user interacting with the page. < 1536843562 455690 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I hate SVGs in webpages. < 1536843572 721270 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not independent vector graphics files that just get rendered once. < 1536843587 968145 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're heavy objects just like anything with lots of nested HTML elements. < 1536843640 225186 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just like mathML, but for mathML, you do want the reflowing to happen, whereas for vector graphics you just want it rendered once to a fixed size just like images are typically rendered. < 1536843738 442353 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is why I passionately hate SVG. It's not a bad format to represent and exchange vector images, but for embedding a final image in a webpage, it's horrible. Canvases are much better, because they only have to keep the pixel image buffer in RAM, which you generally want to keep for any rendered image anyawy. < 1536843747 218825 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that buffer can be kept in video RAM.) < 1536843783 30965 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So please, in the name of people like me who use low-performance computers with too little RAM and these horrible modern memory-hungry browsers, I ask you to not use SVGs. > 1536844354 161364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57601&oldid=57600 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3878) 10how to program, first part < 1536844603 290359 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing the article for the language Amycus was supposed to be. Then in theory I should merge some of the improvements on notation (renamings) into the Amycus article. < 1536844607 934863 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cpyhmalkvosonodk JOIN :#esoteric > 1536844901 290159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57602&oldid=57601 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1140) 10 > 1536845675 776518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57603&oldid=57602 5* 03B jonas 5* (+323) 10fix arithmetic > 1536846405 10737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57604&oldid=57603 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1181) 10 > 1536846414 627340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57605&oldid=57592 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1) 10notation > 1536846695 875447 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57606&oldid=57605 5* 03B jonas 5* (+0) 10 > 1536846770 586521 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus Severus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57607&oldid=46673 5* 03B jonas 5* (-1136) 10notation, interpreter moved away to [[the language Amycus was supposed to be]] > 1536846807 679040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57608&oldid=57604 5* 03B jonas 5* (+145) 10 < 1536846958 725909 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if I document multiple language variants on one page, like on [[The language Amycus was supposed to be]], and some of them are implemented but some are unimplemented, and some of them are Turing-equivalent but some are so much more powerful that they are unimplementable, then can I put the page into multiple contradictory categories? > 1536846999 907418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57609&oldid=57596 5* 03B jonas 5* (-15) 10 < 1536847031 657559 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric > 1536847231 167254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57610&oldid=57608 5* 03B jonas 5* (+477) 10categories > 1536847667 747991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57611&oldid=57610 5* 03B jonas 5* (-427) 10 > 1536847670 221349 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57612&oldid=57606 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1) 10 > 1536847735 43975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57613&oldid=57611 5* 03B jonas 5* (-24) 10 > 1536848538 819712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hyperamycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57614&oldid=45511 5* 03B jonas 5* (+176) 10Hyperamycus is now David's original language, based on [[the language Amycus was supposed to be]], not on [[Amycus]]. The extension of [[Amycus]] wasn't documented or used for anything anyway. > 1536850456 221889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The language Amycus was supposed to be14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57615&oldid=57613 5* 03B jonas 5* (+5) 10 < 1536852022 527063 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think there's a stupid bug in David Madore's definition of Hyperamycus. I sent him a comment asking what exact definition he meant. When he'll reply, I'll be able to clarify in our Hyperamycus article. < 1536852242 366863 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536855915 327925 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536856521 359704 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536857389 451843 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536858027 512378 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536858477 217683 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536858624 23579 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1536858859 17269 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536859055 400161 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536859294 808472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536859390 577763 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536859495 534919 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536859961 544755 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1536860135 555895 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57616&oldid=57549 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+326) 10LIFECYCLE heading < 1536860301 477193 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host81-136-81-240.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536861621 659338 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536861924 249554 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536862686 952497 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536862966 536921 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536863305 361458 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536863422 915459 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1536863460 523534 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536863791 408224 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536865175 308453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1536865567 461672 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536867997 822402 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbfobjrmnkptjbzr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536868034 341278 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To compromise between a voiced alveolar fricative and a voiced velar stop, I propose that 'gif' be pronounced with a voiced velar fricative < 1536868053 65905 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɣɪf/ < 1536868634 527718 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a /gɣɪf/ sounds like a terrible thing < 1536869009 357685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536869448 952764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536869449 87325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536869449 87372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536870273 754254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Man, I can barely tell velar and uvular fricatives apart. < 1536870684 624821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Did you fix your build system? < 1536870911 988798 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh, a bit? < 1536870926 778479 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more things were added so it still takes over 12 hours < 1536871603 48119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest that 12 seconds is too long. < 1536871671 17645 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lol < 1536871714 469140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that seriously hth < 1536872984 855529 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1536872994 764880 :ineiros_!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1536873325 314885 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.redditmedia.com/cD3bDx4ojOYobUyjYSXbGtELbjom6DaIeY6QnJEiBMw.png?s=0fa076c287fa00eebea104cab8bb9a6d < 1536873434 438248 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1536873694 550385 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536874195 303292 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536875427 913997 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric > 1536876242 220033 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Great Spell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57617&oldid=52545 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (-38) 10 < 1536876304 299385 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1536876401 987178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Great Spell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57618&oldid=57617 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+118) 10 < 1536876624 918539 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536876973 397473 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536878803 622544 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536880157 881841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536880713 985593 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536881010 800969 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536881253 393955 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536882099 149538 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536882467 489571 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536882694 398329 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536882953 357943 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536884249 495912 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1536884296 606245 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536884511 483852 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536884801 137166 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: sprocklem < 1536884968 46410 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536885647 474635 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536885688 803126 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536885959 494582 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536886233 492994 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536886529 393218 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536886808 338697 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :*.net *.split < 1536886808 718341 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1536886813 412999 :relrod_!~relrod@origin.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1536886843 595893 :relrod_!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host < 1536886843 731205 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1536886891 163172 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod NICK :relrod < 1536887280 614662 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1536889188 498918 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536889442 471879 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1536890082 529331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Combinatory logic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57619&oldid=57580 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+49) 10/* Keywords */ unfnordsigned < 1536890178 402712 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536890553 44401 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed s,.,.,g quotes | nl | sort | tail -n 1 < 1536890554 29681 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 999 ....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... < 1536890560 470866 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 999 < 1536890561 238523 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :999) <kmc> i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed languages) < 1536890592 739110 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote 999 | wc < 1536890593 813032 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 65 349 < 1536890751 452534 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 746 bytes is a bit too long for a quote. < 1536890915 455170 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that summer school conversation between shachaf and Taneb) < 1536891504 141404 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlnslcedyvpfkjuv JOIN :#esoteric < 1536891573 882257 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> although a /gɣɪf/ sounds like a terrible thing <-- unbegrifflich! < 1536891624 290624 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph it's actually -greif- < 1536891677 682365 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the noun being Begriff. < 1536891817 546470 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536893328 209837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to find Haskell packages that provide instances of a class defined in another package? < 1536894333 673539 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe there's a reverse dependency search for packages, although that won't care about instances only < 1536894685 984165 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536895405 708232 :SchrodingersCat!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1536895418 762863 :SchrodingersCat!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.ee/p/3cGPc < 1536895444 332850 :SchrodingersCat!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the lang? < 1536895451 801247 :SchrodingersCat!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it esoteric? < 1536895600 765803 :SchrodingersCat!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow? < 1536895655 726802 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536895762 733156 :SchrodingersCat!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-meow? < 1536895853 372278 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536895921 694415 :SchrodingersCat!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1536895938 752336 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536896789 436562 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536897065 719001 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1536897071 715531 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1536897117 736118 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :could some please tell me if https://paste.ee/p/3cGPc is esoteric enough? < 1536897508 712662 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone please respond? < 1536897526 762743 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if i'm connected < 1536897567 686194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are connected < 1536897620 609185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're acting in a way that makes at least me not want to respond, and you're asking a question which is meaningless and/or underspecified and/or uninteresting < 1536897627 332252 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536897641 226133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm being a grouch so, y'know, who's the real winner here < 1536898044 417834 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536898244 780527 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i can't think of a witty response in time < 1536898369 720836 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the rest of the channel share shachaf's "grouchiness"? < 1536898393 848648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only me < 1536898412 764276 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :87 other users < 1536898418 111730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they might share the opinions? < 1536898477 137311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can clarify what I meant but it's probably better if I just stop talking. < 1536898486 136105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at what you linked to and I do not know the answer of the question. A description should be needed rather than just the example < 1536898486 752660 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the kind of greeter that turns people away < 1536898512 712522 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks zzo38 < 1536898512 978444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only some of the time. < 1536898579 682833 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART #esoteric :"ByrdIRC" < 1536899273 40658 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlnslcedyvpfkjuv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536899404 805843 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536899679 90458 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1536901428 397366 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536902225 860579 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1536902594 792035 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT 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:myself17!~myself@103.30.88.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536924894 785260 :myself17!~myself@103.30.88.71 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536926411 537397 :ds_5!~ds_@82.178.192.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536926704 440786 :ds_5!~ds_@82.178.192.83 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536927302 470279 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536929946 520736 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536930890 811020 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhmegejmpzsepkxe JOIN :#esoteric > 1536931001 519482 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57620&oldid=57616 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+42) 10Using <noinclude> to link back to the main ESOPUNK page < 1536931657 874525 :gmelikov!~gmelikov@118.40.90.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536931923 442408 :gmelikov!~gmelikov@118.40.90.27 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536932020 789371 :netrace14!~netrace@58.236.142.108 JOIN :#esoteric > 1536932094 346271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokWae/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57621&oldid=57540 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+76) 10 < 1536932122 177988 :shiftplusone23!~shiftplus@5.100.79.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536932150 426463 :netrace14!~netrace@58.236.142.108 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1536932404 873988 :shiftplusone23!~shiftplus@5.100.79.215 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536932412 361352 :Moult5!~Moult@180.183.109.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536932557 133037 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536932785 100426 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536932817 393656 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536932884 462643 :Moult5!~Moult@180.183.109.247 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536933222 905526 :vertrex!~vertrex@unaffiliated/vertrex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536933297 331396 :vertrex!~vertrex@digital-forensic.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1536933297 994906 :vertrex!~vertrex@digital-forensic.org QUIT :Changing host < 1536933298 88689 :vertrex!~vertrex@unaffiliated/vertrex JOIN :#esoteric < 1536933298 873139 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host81-136-81-240.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536933336 952494 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536933483 422768 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536934238 878845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a complete AY8930 emulation which is free software? < 1536934319 369122 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536934447 946485 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just answering some questions for a voluntary survey poll, in person with the person taking it deliberately showing his comptuer screen, and she tried to pull the old "the computer doesn't offer a 'declines to answer' option for this question and doesn't let me proceed", as if that had any implication < 1536934505 901336 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, esolang news. 1. David Madore replied to my question, so now I'll be able to document the actual semantics of his non-computable language. < 1536934620 181566 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. I figured out the most horrible esoteric names for those languages. I will call my distorted variant Amycus and his original variant Amicus, since they differ in one punctuation mark that I misread in the definition, and I kept messing up the name and used Amycus and Amicus when I wrote up the article like a year ago. < 1536934649 631262 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll edit the articles to make the names consistent and explain the naming, and at some point I'll ask for a few page renames. < 1536934656 694744 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the esowiki that is. < 1536934660 482095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is better than what you have now < 1536934668 969647 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I already have rename privilages. < 1536934712 109076 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: at least that one looks like a provisional name, so I won't feel bad about changing the name after documenting it, at least if I leave some remark about the old name. < 1536934748 57306 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperamicus was barely documented, on the Hyperamycus page, so I can rename that especially easily, and I just won't care about my mistaken version, that's not interesting. < 1536934781 579032 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll have Amycus, Amycus Severus, Amicus, and Hyperamicus. < 1536934806 763828 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly "Amycus" is what the name was supposed to be and "Amicus" is the etymologically incorrect one, but I don't want to change "Amycus" now. < 1536934817 301388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1536934845 863024 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it matters, because it's not like the etymology makes any sense for the language. < 1536934892 310136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1536934948 525363 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just chose something because David doesn't give any reasonable names. He just talks about "rigorous definition" and "evaluation function" and "representation of programs" and such things, nothing to distinguish it from other languages. < 1536934964 797533 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0) has the same problem < 1536935026 625415 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is eight languages, with the language variants numbered but no family name < 1536935130 922980 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one also has some variants named, namely there's a Turing-powered version, a hyperarithmetic version, a variant definition still hyperarithmetic marked with club (the card suit symbol), and an intermediate minor variant that doesn't even have a name that's between the two hyperarithmetic ones < 1536935162 4841 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last three have exactly the same power, but the language specification differs a bit technically, the point is only to prove that they're all equivalent) < 1536935397 186941 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1536936577 34198 :wob_jonas!b03f1947@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.71 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536939121 398727 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536939260 706032 :unixman_home1!~unixman_h@196.20.202.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536939693 567231 :unixman_home1!~unixman_h@196.20.202.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536939767 340021 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536940262 433251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the last strike rules for Magic: the Gathering that I made up before Unstable was released, I more recently made up this: {?} Creature - ? (0/1) ;; Last strike ;; ~ has +X/+X where X is the amount of damage marked on ~. < 1536942869 412856 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536943327 375332 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536944858 957847 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you want booze < 1536944897 769543 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can come but you can't have analcoholic drinks < 1536945669 506481 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird constraint < 1536945745 985268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Good AfternireFly < 1536945760 733106 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good schafening < 1536945781 699212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will nevre stop seeing "sch" in my name :'( < 1536945953 894061 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1536945956 278575 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidental >.< < 1536945995 461725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble shachaf < 1536945995 800715 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sahfach < 1536946283 415796 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:3ca7:68b6:64be:c3d5 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536947162 808694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536947162 943373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536947162 943423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1536947776 10993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57622&oldid=57547 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+91) 10Interpreter is functional! > 1536948458 182394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57623&oldid=57569 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (-909) 10 < 1536948871 782952 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.120.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536948943 995301 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.120.27 QUIT :Client Quit < 1536949838 470194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Farbfeld Utilities includes a program to read a nautical chart file. > 1536949920 805625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57624&oldid=57623 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+0) 10 < 1536951635 724034 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536951950 14737 :zajdeee4!~zajdeee@177.156.77.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536952231 815464 :zajdeee4!~zajdeee@177.156.77.144 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536952604 515887 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536952675 342720 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536952954 348463 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536953001 531654 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1536953533 405163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57625&oldid=55509 5* 03Joshop 5* (+119) 10 < 1536953593 483720 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1536953637 110029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57626&oldid=57625 5* 03Joshop 5* (+0) 10 > 1536954398 881551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57627&oldid=57626 5* 03Joshop 5* (+73) 10/* Example programs */ > 1536954450 346606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57628&oldid=57627 5* 03Joshop 5* (+15) 10/* XOR */ < 1536955252 200142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twan van Laarhoven wrote about a "FunList" comonad: data FunList a b = Done b | More a (Funlist a (a -> b)); < 1536955272 748188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lens has a variant of that called Bazaar < 1536955292 580749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazaar a b t = forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t < 1536955404 854841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1536955425 236778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an indexed comonad. < 1536955437 231654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1536955440 339903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazaar a a = FunList a (almost) < 1536955466 548789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that? < 1536955519 499620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazaar is (almost) the same as data Bazaar a b t = Done t | More a (Bazaar a (b -> t)) < 1536955547 484724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "almost" I mean up to fancy reassociation things with infinite data and so on. < 1536957093 970088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use Co (FunList a) or CodensityAsk (FunList a) what kind of monad is it making? There seem a relation of FunList with Store comonad < 1536957332 700472 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536957340 370956 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone. < 1536957343 855821 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel an esolang coming on. < 1536957429 471640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the stuff about incrementing and decrementing lists mentioned for Amycus OK? I am not so sure? It doesn't look good to me, and I tried to make in Haskell but doesn't seems to work, but I don't know if I made a mistake. < 1536957449 321353 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a train-based esolang. < 1536957470 961493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a channel for that < 1536957514 454044 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You define a bunch of train tracks and put trains on them. The trains attempt to travel down the tracks. Trains can only go straight or make wide right turns. < 1536957545 353268 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All trains move at a constant speed unless they are blocked. < 1536958057 38850 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obvious component you might want to make out of these trains and tracks is a certain type of train detector. < 1536958079 38722 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has two input tracks, I1 and I2, and three outputs, O1, O2a, and O2b. < 1536958102 407717 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A train arriving at I1 always leaves at O1. A train arriving at I2 leaves at O2a if a train arrived at I1 at the same time, and at O2b otherwise. < 1536958160 893537 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it's pretty easy to conditionally *delay* a train. < 1536958205 223937 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can route the tracks from I1 and I2 to an intersection, such that if trains are put into both I1 and I2, then the train from I1 will arrive first, and pass through unaffected, but will block I2. < 1536958279 660871 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you need to make a mechanism which will send the train from I2 down either O2a or O2b, depending on its time of arrival. < 1536958658 720007 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible, but ugly. < 1536958677 26416 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to clarify the rules of train movement. > 1536958746 529360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Amycus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57629 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+582) 10I think the stuff at the bottom about incrementing/decrementing lists is not quite correct < 1536958765 594604 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world consists of a grid. Each cell of the grid contains either track or wall; tracks don't have any distinguished direction. < 1536958831 94166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write a article in wiki about how the trains are moved and that stuff < 1536958841 812265 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A train consists of a sequence of cars, each of which occupies one cell. The cars must be orthogonally or diagonally adjacent to each other. Only the front car has any freedom of movement; the other cars simply follow it. < 1536958855 28771 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure could. :D < 1536958970 345129 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The front car is considered to "face" directly away from the second car. When the front car moves, it can only move either into the cell directly ahead of it, or into the cell that's 45 degrees clockwise of that cell. < 1536959029 28191 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter motion will, of course, produce a 45-degree bend in the train. < 1536959048 825829 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one more rule which restricts these 45-degree turns. < 1536959150 362914 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two more, rather. < 1536959159 906617 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The front car cannot perform a turn if this would produce two consecutive 45-degree bends in the train. < 1536959199 875067 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the front car cannot make any move which would result in the cell immediately ahead of the front car being a wall. < 1536959206 998413 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So! That was long and complicated. < 1536959237 778791 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see if I can post a certain little construct. < 1536959279 190228 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is no, not easily. < 1536959301 589459 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, anyway, the construction is just a fork in the track, with another track crossing the fork. < 1536959379 642854 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a train approaches the forking track, if there's a train in the crossing track in exactly the right place, then the train on the forking track will be either forced straight ahead or forced to the right, depending on the position of the train on the crossing track. < 1536961763 915655 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric < 1536962322 733281 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1536963916 278443 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1536965116 993405 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536965160 44911 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536967295 406508 :nicolasbock!~nicolasbo@156.219.85.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536967325 735325 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536967767 468159 :nicolasbock!~nicolasbo@156.219.85.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536968638 888410 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536968726 800851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536969229 418800 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536969478 308272 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536970698 493119 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536971547 478894 :tswett!d047504c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.71.80.76 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1536972143 288529 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1536974721 927613 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536975022 779742 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536977258 507725 :wob_jonas!b03f184f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536977303 905770 :wob_jonas!b03f184f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re succ and pred on lists, I don't know, I haven't tested the rules, so there can easily be bugs in them < 1536977348 723227 :wob_jonas!b03f184f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if they're buggy, you might have to re-derive them from the definitions of list representation, and perhaps compare that definition to the one given in David's article, < 1536977373 781529 :wob_jonas!b03f184f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but note that Amicus's list repr is very different from (0)'s pair repr < 1536977464 154476 :wob_jonas!b03f184f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.79 QUIT :Client Quit > 1536977705 740576 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57630&oldid=57629 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+0) 10 < 1536977936 761546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are French and I am not so good at French. < 1536977984 403058 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536978052 727229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, the definition that I wrote will need also the other case in case e=0. < 1536978238 332799 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1536978817 897246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HereToAnnoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57631&oldid=56394 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+64) 10added D.U.C.K. > 1536978870 607771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57632&oldid=57553 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+15) 10/* D */ added D.U.C.K. < 1536979161 933017 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536979248 527168 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536980235 491758 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536980415 494982 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536980421 518225 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536980422 359463 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1536980861 467401 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536981219 431654 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536981478 416561 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536981878 161611 :xcm8!~xcm@14.48.135.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536982006 853365 :xcm8!~xcm@14.48.135.32 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1536982362 491788 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536983494 380818 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1536984508 427443 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536984578 219231 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536984717 838590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned in talk page that <0:<e:m>>+1 = <1:<e-1:m>> and I think also <0:<0:<e:m>>>+1 = <2:<e-1:m>> and so on, they tell you how many zero at first. This is working even if you do not have any zero at first, so that <e:m>+1 = <0:<e-1:m>> (which is in fact what the fourth rule says), I think? < 1536984747 342779 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536984829 494516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone on here other than wob_jonas able to comment? < 1536984963 688571 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536984965 443599 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536985416 227898 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1536985861 665058 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536985892 798957 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ydpmcncjskxjkgci QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536986933 39540 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvgeelnmtlpaends JOIN :#esoteric < 1536987723 481384 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536987993 352933 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536988424 4182 :Radon22!~Radon@121.183.231.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536988464 617938 :Radon22!~Radon@121.183.231.174 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536988764 492655 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536988889 646915 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536991347 840431 :akawaka11!~akawaka@121.154.94.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536991456 430088 :wob_jonas!b03f194d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536991543 112836 :wob_jonas!b03f194d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. but now I'm also concerned by [[Amycus#Writing_Amycus_programs]], some of which seems wrong < 1536991602 304793 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:stealth_!~stealth_@p7227183-ipngn33801marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537026641 301121 :cache`29!~cache`@221.162.205.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537026926 84250 :cache`29!~cache`@221.162.205.186 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537030711 545657 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1537030730 796355 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Singingbanana14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57634&oldid=54702 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (-170) 10 < 1537030759 706489 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537030799 87029 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an elephant hiding under my bed! < 1537035395 660189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537035438 439786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537035457 830829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537036019 487624 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537036977 392171 :n0m4d1c!~n0m4d1c@190.115.14.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537037004 160957 :n0m4d1c!~n0m4d1c@190.115.14.185 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537037264 333247 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1537037671 823308 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537037708 772772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I did not check the part about writing Amycus programs < 1537037774 32904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read what I wrote on the talk page? < 1537037800 871112 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. it is quite possible that my laws for pred and succ are wrong. < 1537038147 148161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if the list start with any amount of zero (including zero) then it is <n:<e-1:m>> where n tells how many zero at first. If all of them are zero then it is <n:0>. So first two rules is OK, and fourth rule is also OK, but third rule is no good. This my idea is therefore making the description of one rule (which may be expanded to make multiple rules that can be recursive, because the number "n" also needs to be converted into a list). < 1537038158 682091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then for pred you can do other way around. < 1537040155 556449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now trying to make it in Haskell < 1537040381 236205 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I found an M:tG card under my bed, which must have been hiding there for more than a month. And it was an Elephant too, not some sneaky blue creature. < 1537040620 581106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What card specifically? < 1537040713 692865 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noble Elephant (Mirage) < 1537040750 658100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1537041429 615625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the proper rules for incrementing lists in Amycus (I think): https://arin.ga/bSdNQA < 1537041562 918018 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537041646 373743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it looks like good to you? The rules for pred are same, but rules for succ is a bit difference. < 1537042222 386429 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok > 1537042385 661370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57635&oldid=57612 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-26) 10Corrected rules for incrementing lists < 1537042407 149796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed the [[Amycus]] article now; you can look < 1537042975 941227 :lldd_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1537044934 764225 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537045346 728769 :lldd_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537045655 778658 :haltdef10!~haltdef@134.236.17.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537045821 259599 :haltdef10!~haltdef@134.236.17.238 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537046280 263974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Technologic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57636 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+9035) 10Created page with "'''Technologic''' is a programming language created in [[:Category:2018|2018]] in which all keywords are lyrics to the Daft Punk song "Technologic". == Design Philosophy ==..." < 1537046521 852493 :sydney_untangle1!~sydney_un@110.77.171.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537046809 731938 :sydney_untangle1!~sydney_un@110.77.171.9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537047283 656201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03B jonas 5* 10moved [[02The language Amycus was supposed to be10]] to [[Amicus]]: figured out a good name David's language, so I'm renaming it. hope it's not too late. > 1537047495 924230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hyperamycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57639&oldid=57614 5* 03B jonas 5* (-145) 10renamed language < 1537047558 440949 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537047614 966572 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537047855 918090 :Sgeo25!~Sgeo@175.162.79.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537047899 808881 :Sgeo25!~Sgeo@175.162.79.39 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537048240 843951 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1537048413 2052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amicus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57640&oldid=57637 5* 03B jonas 5* (-554) 10rename < 1537048461 895327 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1537048566 19537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57641&oldid=57635 5* 03B jonas 5* (+11) 10 > 1537048695 828432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus Severus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57642&oldid=57607 5* 03B jonas 5* (+12) 10 > 1537048746 909476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57643&oldid=57609 5* 03B jonas 5* (-32) 10 > 1537048814 205146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57644&oldid=57641 5* 03B jonas 5* (-32) 10 > 1537048867 279114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07David Madore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57645&oldid=57599 5* 03B jonas 5* (-243) 10 < 1537049337 578828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any need to explain the view pattern? < 1537049653 103601 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1537050122 329788 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537050174 319186 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@89.189.133.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537050203 379697 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.80.207.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537050281 143033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any languages on the wiki with names like "User:Oerjan" or "Special: Search"? < 1537050407 180240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone once named a language after their own user page < 1537050532 48905 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Language < 1537050705 374251 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537051032 816119 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1537051053 347257 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@89.189.133.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537051085 321499 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/ < 1537051086 224709 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ehlist: not found < 1537051860 418246 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537052145 383531 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537052552 376250 :flugger13!~flugger@180.178.160.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537052741 223594 :naos1!~naos@171.237.116.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537053103 277794 :flugger13!~flugger@180.178.160.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537053228 389994 :naos1!~naos@171.237.116.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537053729 869150 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1537053755 302260 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1537054076 832139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hyperamycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57646&oldid=57639 5* 03B jonas 5* (+250) 10Rule 7 < 1537054113 307076 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1537054549 267285 :SimJoSt14!~SimJoSt@189.174.78.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537054804 311304 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537054832 42409 :SimJoSt14!~SimJoSt@189.174.78.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537055207 925025 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1537055208 789160 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :76) <Gregor> I don't know that I've ever heard apocalypi described in terms of depth ... \ 560) <Phantom__Hoover> Also you steal Berwick from us and then say you don't want it? <Ngevd> You stole it from us first! < 1537055294 351013 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537055475 401459 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537055553 367176 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537056026 838622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537057333 78953 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537058202 497164 :defterade!~defterade@110.78.147.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537058505 953648 :defterade!~defterade@110.78.147.216 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537058767 902077 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1537059685 185577 :baggar113!~baggar11@2402:800:610b:5a42:9db8:fca1:316d:7799 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537059740 489739 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537059851 605397 :baggar113!~baggar11@2402:800:610b:5a42:9db8:fca1:316d:7799 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537060154 64880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops I found another bug in SQLite that it segfaults if the argument to sqlite3_declare_vtab() specifies a "INTEGER PRIMARY KEY" column and also "WITHOUT ROWID". (Although, it is possible to work around by changing it to "INT PRIMARY KEY", but still it is a bug) < 1537060262 21777 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537062367 974880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a SQLite extension that for example you can write: create virtual table out using audiopipe('aplay -t raw -c 1 -f S32_LE -r 44100' signed integer mono); insert into out select value,sin(value*tau()*440/44100)*.9 from range(0,44099,1); and you can make the tone audible. < 1537062410 138414 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> Are there any languages on the wiki with names like "User:Oerjan" or "Special: Search"? <-- i don't think the latter is possible to create under that article name < 1537062432 569889 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless fizzie hacks something, i guess < 1537062435 355693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I meant "Special:Search" but I was typing on my phone. < 1537062446 32651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This assumes your computer is small-endian and "int" size is 32-bits) < 1537062450 303060 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even worse < 1537062481 783148 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Special: is special, so you cannot create ordinary articles there < 1537062490 113356 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, i assume) < 1537062566 376158 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was there an esolang in Talk: < 1537062652 327464 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not, but there's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk_talk:Turing_tarpit < 1537062737 740095 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess : is allowed in article names when what's before isn't a namespace. < 1537062781 354276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose a Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: namespace hth > 1537063012 417374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57647&oldid=57644 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-96) 10/* Amycus Severus */ This seems to have been renamed > 1537063303 866117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57648&oldid=57630 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+290) 10 > 1537063311 623346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Star65114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57649&oldid=57633 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+50) 10/* Um. */ Unsigned < 1537066185 677282 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537067117 88330 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537067377 311010 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537068186 510349 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537068228 493712 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537068233 688899 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1537069478 455610 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537072557 426225 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537074702 500193 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537074947 331886 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537077979 372379 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537078228 306026 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537080025 669336 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1537080547 493867 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537080793 640882 :nisstyre25!~nisstyre@184.170.49.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537080801 495423 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537081084 968751 :nisstyre25!~nisstyre@184.170.49.155 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537081217 436969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57650&oldid=56875 5* 03A 5* (+67) 10 > 1537081241 850386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57651&oldid=57650 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10... > 1537081372 177903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57652&oldid=57651 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10Title not good enough < 1537081556 951736 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rjgresggawoyszwe QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1537081825 546181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57653&oldid=57652 5* 03A 5* (+69) 10/* Big width loops(for easier byte printing) */ < 1537081948 176562 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1537082066 910078 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537082221 84556 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537082503 342245 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1537082625 141082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57654&oldid=57653 5* 03A 5* (+60) 10/* Big width loops(for easier byte printing) */ > 1537082645 139376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57655&oldid=57654 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Big width loops(for easier byte printing) */ > 1537082680 977969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57656&oldid=57655 5* 03A 5* (+30) 10/* Big width loops(for easier byte printing) */ < 1537082944 494766 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1537082978 509402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57657&oldid=57656 5* 03A 5* (+44) 10/* Big width loops(for easier byte printing) */ < 1537084183 850704 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537084217 493084 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537084427 378571 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537085075 852345 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537089398 683366 :jakew!~jakew@ftth-169.30.dws.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537089572 127568 :jakew!~jakew@ftth-169.30.dws.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537090525 965432 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537093317 9714 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537094310 883846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537095206 464265 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537095420 496590 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537095447 493512 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:eda6:ef4e:d55:e653 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537098139 376569 :Patzy17!~Patzy@187.111.215.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537098253 975779 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537098642 390768 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537098678 366572 :Patzy17!~Patzy@187.111.215.89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537100412 618377 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537100667 495842 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537101025 776398 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eglihkqllnuipvzo JOIN :#esoteric < 1537101142 253574 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in Amycus,where you write succ(<<>: (succ → <e: m>)>) = <succ(e): m>;, does that mean succ(<<>: p>) = <succ(e): m> where <e: m> = succ(p); ? < 1537101158 696238 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because I think that's more easy to understand than the view pattern < 1537101865 525458 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but you can still try to give that name to a language, and document it under a different page name with a "technical reasons" hatnote. that's the usual workaround. < 1537101923 308255 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, random tidbit, on en.wikipedia, we can't create page names starting with "M:tG" because "M:" is an interwiki prefix for meta.wikimedia.org < 1537102126 822520 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537102225 595339 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1537102250 966475 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it probably wouldn't be an appropriate page name either way (for policy reasons rather than technical ones, though) < 1537102814 972650 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: en.wikipedia has have lots of local redirects starting with "W:" or "T:" or a few other letters that aren't interwiki links actually < 1537102845 75960 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"W:" for abbreviated names in Project:, "T:" for abbreviated names in Template: etc < 1537102942 583437 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: certain two or three letter combos with colon are much riskier, because new languages of wikipedia get started all the time, and get two or three letter interwiki prefixes most of the time, whereas new one-letter abbreviations are rare < 1537102961 839808 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1537102997 456797 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though some of those shortcuts might predate interwikimedia links in en.wikipedia < 1537103582 495560 :fredrikh1!~fredrikh1@p508506E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537103750 420062 :fredrikh1!~fredrikh1@p508506E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537104318 332389 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537104405 78150 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I suspect Wiktionary didn't get a one-letter shortcut because they didn't want to disrupt all the existing "T:" links everywhere < 1537105033 569550 :wob_jonas!b03f1883@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.131 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537108306 785509 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 PART :#esoteric < 1537108318 62044 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537108699 961614 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537108744 956056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537108947 936322 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537109205 131887 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1537109693 844724 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537110376 539441 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537110480 687975 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537110714 388544 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537110765 496872 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537111592 484868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what I mean; change it if you want to < 1537112276 599490 :TSS3000RO17!~TSS3000RO@134.236.138.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537112318 930384 :TSS3000RO17!~TSS3000RO@134.236.138.48 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537112500 527830 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537112747 425528 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537113050 718528 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537113324 459479 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537113758 813276 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1537114283 403175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03YouXplode 5* 10New user account > 1537114771 130267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57658&oldid=57543 5* 03YouXplode 5* (+170) 10Added introduction stuff > 1537114863 890203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57659&oldid=34279 5* 03YouXplode 5* (+104) 10Added another external resource. > 1537114924 88318 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57660&oldid=57659 5* 03YouXplode 5* (+28) 10Messed up earlier < 1537115104 374603 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1537115139 88421 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-greustsgslagmjij JOIN :#esoteric < 1537115164 421620 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1537115258 712018 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1537115754 690042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537115819 279288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1537115819 545168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1537116091 400534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: namespaces, it'd be nice if : was an escape character /everywhere/ < 1537116117 870135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you could put a colon at the start of any article name to put it into the main namespace < 1537116141 66935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although then you'd have to change the existing :Category: syntax for linking to a category without incoporating the article into the category < 1537116165 466517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, the [[Category:Languages]] syntax is pretty nonorthogonal as it is) < 1537116928 495551 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537117188 337691 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537117342 831687 :Pilate29!~Pilate@138-204-70-203.wantel.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1537117464 414913 :Pilate29!~Pilate@138-204-70-203.wantel.net.br QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537118279 557600 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537118286 672675 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537118354 71478 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537120557 329341 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 JOIN :#esoteric > 1537120654 829985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57661&oldid=57647 5* 03B jonas 5* (+4) 10/* Implementing */ < 1537120837 593849 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[:Category:foo]] is just one of the uses, there's also [[:File:foo]] to link instead of embed. what if you used the character < or > in double-bracket links instead of trying to change how : works? < 1537120868 195553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedding of an image should be {{File:foo}} < 1537120874 193809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's pretty much just a transclusion < 1537120923 547009 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it's too late to change that in Mediawiki. {{File:Foo}} already transcludes the page for the media. < 1537120937 674487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too late to change most of htis < 1537120945 74691 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for categories < 1537120948 315394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could probably do it correctly if you designed a wikimarkup syntax from scratch < 1537120973 116698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably have different names for the image and the image description page… < 1537121051 931668 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the image isn't even a page. it's in a totally different dimension from the desc page. mediawiki actually allows you to create just the desc page in File: ns with no versions of the file uploaded (yet) < 1537122005 421201 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537122456 969441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a MediaWiki extension to embed SQL codes into a page? If no virtual tables are enabled then only the data specified by other SQL codes in that page or transcluded into that page are used, but some virtual tables may be enabled that can be used to access other stuff too such as other wiki pages and history and so on. You can then use the WIKI_TABLE aggregate function to make a table, and you can also specify queries that aren't included in < 1537122512 804822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another extension I was interested in is a extension to use TeX codes without texvc, instead using a custom format file (that I wrote) to disable some functions (so that it cannot read or write any external files or use \special). < 1537122538 504755 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno. look at what external stuff the lua extension can access. < 1537122650 693829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not checked if the PHP interface for SQLite allows you to set an authorizer callback or set limits, or to load extensions or define your own virtual tables and aggregate functions.) < 1537122684 697336 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why is SQLite relevant? is it even used anywhere in MediaWiki? < 1537122701 774867 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mediawiki uses some other database as its backend < 1537122724 263943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it supports SQLite as an option (I am not sure; I don't remember). < 1537122824 243101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know if the other database backends even have a authorizer callback or can create in memory databases or virtual tables (although if the same backend is used for the user SQL codes as the MediaWiki storage database then you might not need virtual tables). < 1537122862 325777 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many database backends have a users and permissions system instead of an authorizer callback < 1537122879 59764 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can add custom views and functions to add authorized things < 1537122910 137426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I knew about custom views < 1537122917 891566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can you associate RDF data with a MediaWiki article with any extension? < 1537122929 191036 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1537122952 29045 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try one of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channels < 1537124177 514148 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537124198 282859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the window functions in SQLite is good? I think there is many use of it. But, you cannot nest window functions or use them in a aggregate query or in a UPDATE statement; although there are ways to work around all of these things (by using subqueries, or in the case of UPDATE, to use REPLACE INTO instead, if it is suitable to what you are making; to use this with virtual tables you must implement REPLACE for those virtual tables). < 1537124288 700523 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't really know. it seems like a compatibility thing that one paying customer of sqlite3 required for porting scripts from some other database engine, because half of the docs is about crazy compatibility rules, not like any sane design sqlite would add on its own < 1537124329 226601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that is why they put it in; I don't know. < 1537124348 632782 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be both < 1537124353 991809 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537124398 744893 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but https://sqlite.org/windowfunctions.html#history is straight about the comaptibility < 1537124428 409404 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537124576 934324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a few problem with the documentation, such as that there does not seem to be a link to that document from the documents about the SQL syntax. < 1537124719 145811 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-greustsgslagmjij QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537124777 746448 :wob_jonas!b03f1932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.50 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537125294 490655 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537125344 131627 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Designing a homebrew computer is fun < 1537125360 819985 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should hook it up to IRC once i finally build it and it's functioning < 1537125374 726216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I had some of my own ideas of designing a computer too (but have not implemented it, or even completed the design) < 1537125436 565609 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already decided the main CPU, a MC68030FE33C < 1537125447 920669 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am working on the DMA/Blitter device < 1537125471 343049 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be mapped somewhere directly before RAM starts < 1537126161 897512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of input, and video modes, and audio? < 1537126328 758022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537126423 981207 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537126638 494946 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:d0d1:eda6:ef4e:d55:e653 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537126718 958323 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537127061 916849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537128537 816223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537128725 704980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1537128725 839461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1537128725 839513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537128900 952351 :zaiko11!~zaiko@186-92-80-141.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537129059 996104 :zaiko11!~zaiko@186-92-80-141.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537129646 969341 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537129917 588524 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1537134969 918682 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537135348 385746 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537135728 923365 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537135880 748003 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537136434 751436 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537137181 351324 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1537137191 433197 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of this language? https://paste.ee/p/Z929D < 1537137265 405313 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the only place i know to ask < 1537137290 336956 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have been greeted with unjust hostility about it < 1537137402 781106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it look like OK < 1537137455 370392 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if it qualified as esoteric < 1537137504 347199 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could discuss it here < 1537137566 801158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but maybe there should be added notation for labels and for comments. < 1537137715 311679 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1537137745 460009 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a pre-pre-parser remove them < 1537137858 307835 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's complicated to run) < 1537138779 559143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537138802 992133 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1537138817 414976 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537140216 307058 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART #esoteric :"ByrdIRC" < 1537140800 433164 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537141740 458285 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537141987 399497 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537144176 779015 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537144298 971210 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537144326 495831 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537144330 104810 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1537144444 769204 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537144692 935842 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537144865 415303 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537145634 368358 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537145923 212350 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537146222 274567 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537146468 47011 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537146744 796440 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537147539 16867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to do CSS so that after the counter reaches a specific number then it resets and uses a different style for the numbers after that? < 1537148467 527147 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537148727 472069 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537149344 995572 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to be fun. I just bought the last copy of the MC88100's manual off ebay. If i end up not buying a MC88100 to play with, i'll resell it, tho. < 1537150097 694233 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537150624 349969 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537150878 386343 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537152206 495452 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537152528 352860 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537152576 844179 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537153394 948561 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537154101 569574 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537154131 231451 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwtmjlwcoztokdsz JOIN :#esoteric < 1537154982 590008 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:cosey!~Thunderbi@113.140.11.5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537163583 623461 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537163854 554733 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537163927 987669 :gamingrobot16!~gamingrob@197.251.142.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537164011 179133 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eglihkqllnuipvzo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537164058 239403 :gamingrobot16!~gamingrob@197.251.142.156 QUIT :K-Lined < 1537164540 846932 :Guest63452!~JoshL@200.71.94.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537164718 312571 :Guest63452!~JoshL@200.71.94.94 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537165338 404686 :tirdtoon!~tirdtoon@186.46.45.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537165375 330197 :suds16!~suds@121.163.150.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537165565 167496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1537165667 337255 :suds16!~suds@121.163.150.217 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537165783 658008 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537165783 795129 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1537165830 529934 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537165896 423275 :tirdtoon!~tirdtoon@186.46.45.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537167689 473131 :jerome-8!~jerome-@187.111.208.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537167861 233405 :jerome-8!~jerome-@187.111.208.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537168126 472365 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537168466 732875 :bo_!~bo_@77.79.144.217.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537168506 261257 :bo_!~bo_@77.79.144.217.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537169493 22022 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537170552 28642 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT 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1537175024 242137 :pk1216!~pk12@89.255.37.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537175282 999847 :Falcon|24!~Falcon|@197.55.82.60 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537175330 399973 :pk1216!~pk12@89.255.37.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537175787 497885 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537176558 798838 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537176911 587023 :sw1m19!~sw1m@117.253.52.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537177207 396922 :sw1m19!~sw1m@117.253.52.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537178035 321586 :davidcl19!~davidcl@138.59.166.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537178087 864236 :davidcl19!~davidcl@138.59.166.196 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537178739 76895 :tboston12!~tboston@117.5.110.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537179037 645092 :tboston12!~tboston@117.5.110.22 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537183137 873136 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qhgorjodacttjsrj JOIN :#esoteric < 1537183744 157148 :DarkMukke!~DarkMukke@148.0.38.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537183915 68783 :DarkMukke!~DarkMukke@148.0.38.8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537185271 968746 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537186174 536602 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537187888 789131 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host81-136-81-240.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537189729 56752 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1537190031 724188 :codepreneur14!~codeprene@ZE019036.ppp.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537190090 36200 :codepreneur14!~codeprene@ZE019036.ppp.dion.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537190960 400995 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537191169 106 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537191671 764457 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1537192095 285928 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537192182 413888 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re CSS lists, perhaps see "https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-css-counter-styles-3-20130221/#fixed-system" or "https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@counter-style#Examples" < 1537192674 534772 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see also the range and fallback proeprties in @counter-style < 1537192692 976831 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be on the same page but not necessarily in the same section < 1537192712 564825 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. there's a @counter-style definition given for roman numerals and more < 1537193105 283076 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot to list this < 1537193108 81883 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/dick/ < 1537193109 503504 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/dick/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale < 1537193119 314815 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, different meaning of list < 1537193328 641641 :nosomebodies!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537194714 703248 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537194833 401162 :minion8!~minion@94.232.66.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537195017 615308 :minion8!~minion@94.232.66.164 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537198337 700347 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537199269 418261 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537199752 482870 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil idea: < 1537199814 975211 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537199817 687470 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write all your SQL like this InSeRt InTo snacks VaLuEs < 1537199985 427898 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sElEcT name FrOm users wHeRe region < 1537200125 569071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is case-insensitive and so can accept that, but I do not intend to do like that (I don't know how it affects compression, but I expect probably if you write in all uppercase or all lowercase instead of mixed up, it can be compress better) < 1537200870 920061 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1537201250 730100 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537202191 625680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know that it is possible in ZZT (although an external editor is needed) for a program to create a passage in one location but with different destinations based on some conditions? I have recently figured out how. < 1537202356 676134 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/pwnsdx/status/1040944750973595649 < 1537202364 526713 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL, apple shite < 1537202434 390611 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537204504 100913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537207486 526044 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537207622 488884 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you all? < 1537207757 150719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hib_jonas < 1537207776 405052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm generally OK, even positive, but also stressed < 1537207792 664028 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537208866 626797 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking news, Pedo Guy sues Elongated Muskrat < 1537210296 935678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like ZZT? I have figured out enough stuff about ZZT (including possible reasons for all of the bugs, although I am not entirely sure, but implementing them in the way I think it works hopefully would work), that probably a free clone can be made. < 1537210370 183149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this use of external editor to make all sort of stuff like how they decided to avoid using the screen-generator for BANCstar because it is too limited, so they wrote the codes by themself, the use of external editors with ZZT also avoid the too limited functions of the built-in editor of ZZT. < 1537210464 663443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made XYZABCDE.ZZT by the built-in editor, but sequel might using ZZTQED instead. < 1537210890 650207 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know of the SNES puzzle game called Trodderls? < 1537210903 863991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do not know. How is it work? < 1537211124 836004 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but johannhowitzer says in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrbPGNGDLD4 that it's a well-designed puzzle game. < 1537211140 201551 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen any gamplay, but that seems like an interesting recommendation. < 1537211350 65922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The uses of these stuff in ZZT can become much strange, e.g. to make a conditional passage, a program shoots a bullet into a stat water with cycle 1, the stats of the passage, and a direction aiming at another stat water that this time has cycle 1, a passage underneath, and a direction aiming into a wall. These directions are not even directions that can be set using the built-in editor. < 1537212090 555472 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537212145 372839 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537212345 673072 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in the windows 3 puzzle game Kye, almost anything you can do by editing an ascii level file, you can also do with the built-in editor. But the puzzle file format is quite simple, the map is just a rectangle of ascii characters, each with a fixed tile as its meaning, you can place any tile with the editor, there's a few restrictions like Kye < 1537212345 809181 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the player character) has to be in exactly one space but < 1537212380 989840 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC those are enforced if you edit the ascii file too, and there's a few lines of meta-info per level, like the level name and password and the message that pops up when you enter the level. < 1537212705 341550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other programs doing like that too, including some game program I write it does that, although there is no password; you can select whatever level you want < 1537212725 616924 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the level file is plain ascii, I can just read the passwords. < 1537212745 165882 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't ruin the game, the passwords aren't really important < 1537212760 513955 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that was before we'd just download a list of passwords from the internet, but still < 1537214236 120610 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537216915 450790 :DrMax_3!~DrMax_@41.232.161.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537217208 922812 :DrMax_3!~DrMax_@41.232.161.90 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537220613 272817 :xadammr1!~xadammr@218.4.204.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537220900 783740 :xadammr1!~xadammr@218.4.204.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host 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:oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to have forgotten to log out again < 1537230473 483651 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1537231911 533051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57662&oldid=57557 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+151) 10/* Ideas related to esoteric operating systems, esoteric processors and esoteric computers */ < 1537232112 665428 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537232924 586923 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:ad6f:7614:2f53:1473 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537233477 790034 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:4548:6f19:a119:8f JOIN :#esoteric < 1537234255 661706 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host81-136-81-240.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537236309 831056 :Guest4561413!~Guest4561@58.82.129.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537236349 764419 :Guest4561413!~Guest4561@58.82.129.131 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537236647 525922 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537236912 382718 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537238165 450811 :cyberg!~cyberg@190.250.109.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537238184 650303 :cyberg!~cyberg@190.250.109.169 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537238683 292041 :chithead!~chithead@184.22.217.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537238707 974485 :chithead!~chithead@184.22.217.160 NICK :Guest73274 < 1537238969 696403 :Guest73274!~chithead@184.22.217.160 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537243097 491684 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537243359 487637 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537244349 395443 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537244367 11888 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537244370 658346 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1537244549 540435 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537244647 425240 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537244651 230667 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1537246366 403589 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1537246439 417267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07If(j)invert()if(l)change()if(q)input()if(t)output(x);14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57663&oldid=39435 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+117) 10Added more examples < 1537246627 480275 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537246684 324897 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qhgorjodacttjsrj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537248428 505210 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537251552 409182 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537251679 894006 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537251828 382132 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537254983 127749 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzvpfljsllsqkdka JOIN :#esoteric < 1537255386 936764 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537255449 694095 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1537255616 842864 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537256198 790972 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1537256891 956470 :Guest32169!~fx@191.7.16.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537257021 864262 :Guest32169!~fx@191.7.16.214 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537257162 362997 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537258547 814076 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1537259903 232361 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57664&oldid=57662 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+607) 10/* Derivative Ideas */ < 1537261119 683086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: thanks in advance for today's olist < 1537261395 826109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nolist < 1537261396 682495 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nolist: not found < 1537263226 891097 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537268516 778860 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537269110 78847 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jumukqzseynxhfqr JOIN :#esoteric < 1537269501 454040 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537270287 358216 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1537274069 244611 :siXy27!~siXy@p380160-ipngn200305obiyama.kumamoto.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537274360 334049 :siXy27!~siXy@p380160-ipngn200305obiyama.kumamoto.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537275786 319020 :failart13!~failart@184.170.25.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537276007 22745 :failart13!~failart@184.170.25.112 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537277900 2639 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric > 1537279753 139284 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57665&oldid=57338 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+34) 10/* Instruction Syntax */ > 1537279801 794794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57666&oldid=57632 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+14) 10ESOPUNK > 1537279840 609471 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57667&oldid=57665 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Instruction Syntax */ < 1537281177 11733 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzvpfljsllsqkdka QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1537281217 834416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Technologic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57668 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+224) 10Created page with "I wonder what would happen if you put the actual lyrics into the language. Maybe it should be hard-coded to quine or something. ~~~~" > 1537281288 83855 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Blacksilver14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57669&oldid=57510 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+21) 10 > 1537281492 597932 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Help14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57670&oldid=56228 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (-1) 10CDO: Extra space in the redirect code block > 1537281777 85066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXAPUNK14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57671 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+223) 10#REDIRECT [[ESOPUNK]] > 1537281807 366247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXAPUNKS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57672 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+224) 10#REDIRECT [[ESOPUNK]] > 1537281976 52127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57673&oldid=57620 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+154) 10/* Commands */ muahaha < 1537282073 619013 :xibprime5!~xibprime@p391226-ipngn6001sapodori.hokkaido.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537282246 781574 :xibprime5!~xibprime@p391226-ipngn6001sapodori.hokkaido.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537284337 470195 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537285563 782626 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ucrsxdpevzsnlirb JOIN :#esoteric < 1537287934 778288 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537288521 475572 :lmat24!~lmat@softbank126024151109.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537288813 490582 :lmat24!~lmat@softbank126024151109.bbtec.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537289186 307648 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-24-17-17-209.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537289203 439593 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537289521 330771 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-24-17-17-209.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537291290 386979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1537291290 387050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1537291290 387063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537292796 708417 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537293751 995819 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537293836 699522 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1537293848 758644 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1537293970 390307 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@mobile-166-170-36-135.mycingular.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1537294573 726624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Pxem14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57674 5* 03B jonas 5* (+856) 10move misplaced comments here, originally by [[User:YamTokWae]] [https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ideas&diff=next&oldid=57662 on 08:38, 18 September 2018] on [[List of ideas]] > 1537294627 479702 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57675&oldid=57664 5* 03B jonas 5* (-607) 10move misplaced comments away, to [[Talk:Pxem]], originally by [[User:YamTokWae]] 08:38, 18 September 2018 < 1537294666 294742 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1537296409 301661 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@mobile-166-170-36-135.mycingular.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537297498 104646 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537297526 492557 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537299808 292899 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537301508 402899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537301604 842707 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537301954 784176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537305802 423578 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537307734 780644 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537308337 239977 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1537308339 974315 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ucrsxdpevzsnlirb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537308426 847055 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537308495 845270 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537308848 325225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537309019 941720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1537309020 79715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1537309020 79791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537309954 754901 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537311124 776831 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537312240 784264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537312294 339538 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537312684 491584 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537312768 157265 :hazmat`!~hazmat`@120.57.123.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537312941 722165 :hazmat`!~hazmat`@120.57.123.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537314587 459986 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537314667 14945 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537315846 431984 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537316977 74830 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537318237 707716 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537318330 941360 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537320447 978171 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537320477 836872 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537321194 872726 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537321241 390640 :shikhin!shikhin@lambdaos.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1537321536 506669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ALGOL 68 had only const values, which could be pointers to stack-allocated refs to allow for local variables. That seems pretty nice compared to the complexity of lvalues in C. < 1537321540 553970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they had automatic coercion between "ref t" and "t", which seems less nice. On the other hand dereferences everywhere also don't seem great. Is there any language that does something like that better? > 1537323140 86314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Technologic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57676&oldid=57668 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+195) 10 < 1537323216 951965 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537323350 3504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas and ais523 are the folks who would knkow about that, I guess < 1537323441 530054 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537324135 228401 :HeyCitizen_15!~HeyCitize@mx-ll-180.183.137-134.dynamic.3bb.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1537324141 540418 :HeyCitizen_15!~HeyCitize@mx-ll-180.183.137-134.dynamic.3bb.co.th QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537324314 339821 :spooky_d23!~spooky_d@189-93-85-223.3g.claro.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1537324604 831447 :spooky_d23!~spooky_d@189-93-85-223.3g.claro.net.br QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537324682 594671 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537325102 780785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe this works... welding a cross in Infinifactory: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/if-cross.gif < 1537325182 505347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't infinifactoried so I don't know what's surprising there. < 1537325232 704031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the timing worked out < 1537325261 197713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I found this by trial and error with not too much hope of getting it to work. < 1537325338 814226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started today; the occasion was that it's on sale at gog.com < 1537325928 874913 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537325955 812011 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537326007 73232 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537326816 493787 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-016-215.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537327621 935761 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-164-233.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537327801 926034 :shikhin!shikhin@lambdaos.org QUIT :Changing host < 1537327801 926084 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537328496 167928 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jumukqzseynxhfqr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537328497 512180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: no olist < 1537328501 366848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heartbroken :'( < 1537328894 615372 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537329296 993431 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537329964 789616 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537331567 329613 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537331690 674819 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537333894 783312 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1537334409 227847 :nictuku11!~nictuku@197.52.205.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537334445 742774 :nictuku11!~nictuku@197.52.205.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537334493 897063 :Darac21!~Darac@82-149-125-238.wco.wellcom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1537334788 631000 :Darac21!~Darac@82-149-125-238.wco.wellcom.at QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537337082 564660 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537338849 307840 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537339581 328401 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537339738 654963 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537340527 380893 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftjfmbtemnpjnfeg JOIN :#esoteric < 1537340582 568509 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537340598 61478 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537341720 494556 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537342677 436506 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537342759 773414 :shikhin!shikhin@lambdaos.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1537343224 683762 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537343769 701422 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1537344931 138682 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1537345084 339393 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537345287 34510 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I only know as much about that algol stuff as I heard here < 1537345331 300425 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537345391 519902 :genka22!~genka@121.131.113.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537345562 778679 :genka22!~genka@121.131.113.199 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537346024 281365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unparseable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57677&oldid=23502 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+1012) 10/* I don't understand something. */ new section < 1537347627 413299 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537348365 416956 :Tesseraction_t!~Tesseract@14.42.237.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537348421 531597 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537348696 949025 :Tesseraction_t!~Tesseract@14.42.237.202 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537350147 444218 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537351306 686279 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftjfmbtemnpjnfeg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537351599 493453 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537351704 576723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: of course the downside of those games for me is that they trigger the "just one more level < 1537351724 56804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" effect, while at the same time allowing one to tweak solutions for a single level forever. < 1537351769 912917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played until 5am in the morning... < 1537351865 18101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and I'm thankful for flexible office hours :) < 1537352582 119922 :Mezzmer7!~Mezzmer@33.red-95-120-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537352750 727734 :Mezzmer7!~Mezzmer@33.red-95-120-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537352914 98313 :weyland|yutani6!~weyland|y@37.211.4.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537352942 575438 :weyland|yutani6!~weyland|y@37.211.4.145 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537353695 665996 :nosomebodies!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537356680 374428 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone has the same problem: to restore contacts to phone memory from a VCS file on the Nokia 150 phone, the menu entry only shows up if the VCS file is already on the SD card in the right filename, and the right filename is "/backup.dat", unlike the previous model Nokia 216, on which it was "/Backup/backup.dat". < 1537359377 276341 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537359479 756931 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537359627 131634 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537360070 793512 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537360106 612102 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537360146 293353 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537360160 947038 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537360454 418672 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537361845 445805 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537362394 721194 :tensorpudding24!~tensorpud@203.134.195.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537362434 174394 :tensorpudding24!~tensorpud@203.134.195.205 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537363248 211481 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1537366488 540946 :nosomebodies!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1537368351 201588 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537368682 390895 :nyarlu16!~nyarlu@218.158.250.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537368968 710392 :nyarlu16!~nyarlu@218.158.250.178 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537369070 295229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Functional()14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57678 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+338) 10/* Is my example correct? */ new section > 1537369580 112865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Functional()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57679&oldid=57678 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+91) 10Added something that I didn't add first. < 1537369862 610348 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537370683 269324 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537371040 721083 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zyfkbfcorocsbtgk JOIN :#esoteric > 1537371713 45778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Pelirodri 5* 10New user account > 1537372038 386547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57680&oldid=57658 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+194) 10 > 1537372079 778227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57681&oldid=57680 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+1) 10/* Introductions */ < 1537372903 440017 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537372911 941274 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537373413 498137 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:881:e8ca:8a87:1f80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537373423 635122 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:881:e8ca:8a87:1f80 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537374125 494418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57682 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+2206) 10Created page with "'''La We''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[Rodrigo Pelissier]] in 2018. It is inspired by [[COW]] and [[Brainfuck]]. It consists of 16 commands, each r..." > 1537374199 269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57683&oldid=57666 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+13) 10 < 1537374310 98093 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.42.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537374417 937024 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537374478 328288 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537375093 749154 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.42.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537375116 158691 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.42.164 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537375126 578147 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.42.164 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537375156 736695 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.42.164 JOIN :#esoteric > 1537375328 360000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57684&oldid=57682 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+701) 10 > 1537375359 305772 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Pelirodri14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57685 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+23) 10Created page with "Creator of [[La We]]." > 1537375409 544623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Pelirodri14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57686&oldid=57685 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+59) 10 < 1537375657 891295 :lordvadr!~lordvadr@84.124.157.179.dyn.user.ono.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1537375800 575872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57687&oldid=57684 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+26) 10 < 1537375904 417840 :lordvadr!~lordvadr@84.124.157.179.dyn.user.ono.com QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) > 1537375925 186821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57688&oldid=57687 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+15) 10 > 1537375934 158251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57689&oldid=57688 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+1) 10 < 1537376121 998035 :onefst250r13!~onefst250@220.72.181.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537376428 314334 :onefst250r13!~onefst250@220.72.181.9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1537376991 274138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57690&oldid=57689 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (-1) 10/* Sample code */ < 1537378124 828820 :shikhin!shikhin@lambdaos.org QUIT :Changing host < 1537378124 963648 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537378668 744163 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537378714 788938 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.42.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537378786 838958 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537379266 974757 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537379502 852660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1537379502 852703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1537379502 852713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537380344 809076 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537380344 809141 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537381260 699114 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537381265 673962 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537381332 832525 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1537381521 149846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheLastBanana 5* 10New user account > 1537381914 802217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57691&oldid=57681 5* 03TheLastBanana 5* (+156) 10 > 1537381927 114573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Churro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57692&oldid=49671 5* 03TheLastBanana 5* (-65) 10Homepage no longer exists, so I've removed it. All of its contents can be found on GitHub anyway. < 1537382014 755055 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537382206 446635 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537382714 578124 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537385449 334567 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537385449 820095 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537386227 822669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: count me in as no on the milk hth < 1537386246 205877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do that kind of poll < 1537386248 243986 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537386308 634686 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: acknowledged < 1537387114 832482 :technick28!~technick@14-132-213-184.dz.commufa.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537387123 976267 :technick28!~technick@14-132-213-184.dz.commufa.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537387880 418659 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537391090 482313 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537391220 913551 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1537391222 420117 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537391413 370510 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.18.84.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537392052 76406 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have a crazy esoteric idea that I might have to expand on and write an article later. UTF-f32 encoding. Encode each Unicode/UCS code point in IEEE floating point format, then store that as bytes as big endian or little endian. < 1537392078 774611 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537392135 46192 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are two variants of this, UTF-f32-be and UTF-f32-le. They're very similar to the traditional UTF-32-be and UTF-32-le, but the fun part is that if I calculate right in my head (I'll have to check this and write down the proof later), there's less need for an endianness marker than in UTF-32, because every string is unambiguous between UTF-f < 1537392135 183297 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-be and UTF-f32-le. < 1537392272 922339 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only strings that are valid in both are ones made of only NUL characters, and those have the same encoding and meaning in the two (and also in UTF-32). It seems that the other characters (codes 0x00000001 to 0x0010FFFD inclusive) just so happen to have no encodings clashing between UTF-f32-be and UTF-f32-le. < 1537392560 296915 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some genuine clashes between UTF-f32-be to UTF-32-le, and between UTF-f32-le to UTF-32-be, and I'll have to check what other potential and frequent clashes there are with various other formats. < 1537392617 244590 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric < 1537392760 321223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :store unicode characters only in NaNs - since those are not numbers they are clearly characters < 1537392816 732624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' < 1537392817 699708 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :846) <Phantom_Hoover> it's weird hanging around people for whom the northernmost point in the world is nottingham < 1537392949 551065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could call it UT-F32 - the placement of the dash clearly distinguishes it from UTF-32 < 1537393064 598786 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: how exactly would you choose the NaNs? It matters how, because for example the UTF-16-le and UTF-32-le byte order marks are valid NaNs in float32 big-endian. < 1537393128 886632 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically the UTF-16-le byte order mark has to be followed by any one more code point to be a valid NaN.) < 1537393251 460734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you'd put them in 64-bit nans < 1537393289 673827 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that would waste space, and also has the same problem as above. < 1537393334 446960 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can list a lot of potential advantages to UTF-f32 as to how easy it is to handle, although they're all esoteric arguments, I wouldn't recommend the format in the real world.. < 1537393587 830962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about UT-F16 though? then for example you can see the approximate unicode block of the characters and tell the sender you don't speak chinese without actually having to decode the exact chinese < 1537393754 611412 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's possible, but it would waste more than two bits per 16-bit word, so I don't understand why it's better than just using UTF-16. < 1537393780 666357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 needs 4 bytes for things outside the BMP, UT-F16 uses 16 bits for everything < 1537393830 822805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for UT-F16 it's a shame that the unicode code points aren't using the negative numbers and all the fractions between 0 and 1 though < 1537393875 323012 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it always uses the same 16 bits (0x7FFF) for anything outside BMP. In UTF-16, for a pre-UCS-32 implementation, you could use the replacement character 0xFFFD for anything outside the BMP, which would take the same place. < 1537393942 225265 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an added bonus, the replacement character has the same encoding in UTF-f16 as any non-BMP code point. < 1537393986 678032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, didn't notice the max value for F16 was so low < 1537394123 938987 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not that bad of course. Usually only gods, outsiders, the spirits of dead people, and very powerful wizards venture outside the base material plane, so those characters don't matter much. < 1537394162 14864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe what we should be thinking about is how to make surrogate float pairs to extend F16 precision when needed < 1537394215 650317 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see in first place why you think this could be better than UTF-16. < 1537394327 93154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, better? I was going for worse < 1537394804 629186 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1537394861 733886 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I generally want to go for esoteric stuff when I have at least some esoteric arguments on how the esoteric stuff is better in some respect than the normal stuff. < 1537394955 18512 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once designed a "character encoding" which encodes the exact shape of the character as a 16x16 bitmap < 1537394960 882706 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric arguments can include stuff like "the program is more golfy this way" or "the language is simple so the interpreter for the language is more golfy this way", but lots of other things. < 1537394979 115433 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every character is 256 bits < 1537395041 755815 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus 8 bits for width and other info < 1537395055 726783 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: does that you use some sort of canonical values (or set of values) for each supported character from a reasonably usable text, so that the characters can be decoded reasonably easily? < 1537395087 781164 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it needn't cover "all characters", because no character encoding ever does. < 1537395097 150350 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some character set usable for some purpose. < 1537395101 121138 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1537395149 428 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to make it at least round-trip compatible with all legacy character encodings < 1537395155 26103 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Do you have a description or something of this somewhere? < 1537395171 751293 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, iirc I do < 1537395175 50898 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all legacy character encodings"? seriousliy? that's never possible < 1537395193 59784 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tons of those, many barely documented < 1537395232 303794 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there are large iconv databases of them and a translation to/from unicode strings, but still. < 1537395242 962786 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well because it encodes the shape of the character, all you need is a font which defines the "encoding" < 1537395322 12319 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a series of 16 "columns", each of which is 16 bits tall, making a 16x16 bitmap, plus a 4 bit width and a 4 bit offset < 1537395350 232736 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the whole character is 264 bits < 1537395422 809926 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but "all legacy character encodings" covers like four centuries of semaphore or flag signs, about two centuries of electric telegraphy, and over seventy years of digital computers. < 1537395442 582873 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has complete documentation of "all legacy character encodings" < 1537395446 95239 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah I was only thinking of digital < 1537395461 450277 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even only digital is probably impossible < 1537395467 574472 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's inadequate documentation < 1537395508 984420 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though technically almost all character encodings in semaphore, flag signals, electric telegraphy, and electronic computers count as "digital" < 1537395534 568975 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1537395535 690321 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to carving letters, handwriting, and printing press < 1537395572 573863 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still say "only ones used with electronic machines" if you wish of course < 1537395621 111597 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, with modern computers, there'll be people representing various old stuff like semaphore signs on a computer, so it's a bit hard < 1537395670 598802 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. it is compatible with any encoding that has a font in b/w 12 pt (or less), with no duplicate symbols < 1537395700 941315 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there's the amateur radio people who use a computer to encode or decode morse signals in some radio formats that were already possible in the same format with very simple electronic circuits < 1537395766 305072 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better, although "no duplicate symbols" is a bit hard to satisfy with larger modern character sets. very often there are two whitespace characters with the same graphics. < 1537395796 63513 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea being that it can be used to represent for example original invented alphabets with no need for any "private use area" < 1537395810 471435 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, \oren\'s font covers a useful large set of characters with supposedly no dupe glyphs < 1537395846 793799 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ok, that sounds reasonable < 1537395884 437104 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course the representation you suppose isn't the only possible one for that < 1537395927 185175 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could, say, give a font or more in some existing font format and a formatted text using that font, and embed it to a PDF < 1537395950 93401 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that sounds reasonable < 1537395971 33555 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly seems a more useful idea than the 16-bit floating point < 1537395997 971268 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you're \oren\. so that's your font. < 1537396004 874363 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. < 1537396022 639481 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two people with nick starting with o. it's confusing. < 1537396120 326810 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in practice, there are other ways to embed bitmaps, for example you could do <img> with src being a base64 encoded targa < 1537396218 486472 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah, I use an IMG element (not with a data: URL but whatever) as a way to represent my email address on my homepage. Mind you, I got laxer about that because now it's effectively public and lots of places have it in clear text. < 1537396272 966085 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... what is the smallest overhead uncompressed image format < 1537396326 309774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPM? < 1537396461 28237 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm suppose it's a 16x16 b/w image. < 1537396479 79890 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that would depend on what exactly you mean by "uncompressed", and what kind of images you want to represent, especially what range and resolution of colors and alpha in pixels. < 1537396491 39620 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"P4\n16 16\n" is a header of 11 bytes < 1537396499 117023 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which beat targa < 1537396508 629252 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want "lowest overhead" then you might skirt the boundaries of "uncompressed" < 1537396523 380869 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by packing bits from different things into a byte and stuff like that. < 1537396531 510447 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, FAT12, but it can get worse. < 1537396596 217178 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the cluster allocation next cluster link array in FAT12 specifically. it has 12 bit cluster numbers permuted to bytes in some rather strange order.) < 1537396648 824895 :wob_jonas!b03f1954@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(optimized for machines of that time.) < 1537396748 469637 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:fyber11!~fyber@190.73.141.107 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537406770 450851 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537406964 341919 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537407228 388878 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537408171 745491 :EnabrinTain13!~EnabrinTa@81.89.219.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537408605 973006 :EnabrinTain13!~EnabrinTa@81.89.219.55 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537412755 253293 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:4548:6f19:a119:8f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537412810 494114 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:243e:1c88:fdff:ae5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1537414723 958878 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537415520 54267 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537415925 21157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57693&oldid=57690 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+22) 10An estimated edit based on the few words Google Translate knew < 1537416441 225776 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seemed to get hit by murphy's law when deleting the reference on wikipedia. < 1537417234 730860 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537417253 365815 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537417265 989759 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537418816 421969 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537420269 825059 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537420285 79027 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537420421 609448 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which beat targa < 1537422900 53767 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537424839 955370 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537425270 877778 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537425285 781461 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537426209 697423 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zyfkbfcorocsbtgk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537426626 492945 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1537427471 638770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tork 5* 10New user account < 1537427568 966957 :splud0!~splud@190-206-201-58.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537427767 366270 :splud0!~splud@190-206-201-58.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Read error: Connection 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:AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537431007 348357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537432266 794695 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1537434766 233057 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537434940 375717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1537434940 511229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c193-150-228-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1537434940 511276 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1537435533 979160 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537436547 89350 :ltrager10!~ltrager@softbank060117081226.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537436575 737689 :kwake11!~kwake@119.86.83.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537436680 760491 :kwake11!~kwake@119.86.83.27 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537436745 250352 :ltrager10!~ltrager@softbank060117081226.bbtec.net QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1537437578 229025 :skaji23!~skaji@27.73.88.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537437732 531994 :skaji23!~skaji@27.73.88.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537438534 686869 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kujezzpsucgyejmg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537438813 39729 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kosmfsgzizdenwfv QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537438824 642010 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ublyxizdxorjhvtn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537439522 869567 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kwkpywqhmekyaykt JOIN :#esoteric < 1537439523 739570 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xysftxiyuydytuol JOIN :#esoteric < 1537440001 689948 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537440870 599477 :ek23!~ek@182.224.142.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537441058 411410 :ek23!~ek@182.224.142.23 QUIT :K-Lined < 1537442801 289039 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537444527 589861 :sigttou18!~sigttou@87.19.80.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537444689 796552 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537444878 9764 :sigttou18!~sigttou@87.19.80.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537444962 853991 :ttkp18!~ttkp@117.215.178.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537445209 807041 :ttkp18!~ttkp@117.215.178.59 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537445274 931019 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uwtxbuaxupvicanf JOIN :#esoteric < 1537445819 339178 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537446770 941065 :pfctl27!~pfctl@190-38-42-73.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537446962 459233 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537447042 799095 :pfctl27!~pfctl@190-38-42-73.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537449005 913533 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1537449534 324929 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537450257 322175 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1537453704 549687 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537453852 511308 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537453889 362920 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537453958 800974 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1537455084 894318 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537455097 549654 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537455151 4490 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537455667 722234 :weinholt27!~weinholt@121.169.170.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537455866 550075 :weinholt27!~weinholt@121.169.170.155 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537455867 35301 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537457823 491594 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537458472 651722 :intermezzo22!~intermezz@41.239.240.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537458474 161890 :intermezzo22!~intermezz@41.239.240.253 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537459859 75217 :thealamenthe7!~thealamen@ip4d16c8cc.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537459859 211321 :vstemen22!~vstemen@197.42.159.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537459875 202581 :vstemen22!~vstemen@197.42.159.98 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537459965 290957 :thealamenthe7!~thealamen@ip4d16c8cc.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537463037 684619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07+-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57698&oldid=57695 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+449) 10Major formatting overhaul. > 1537463224 389177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Technologic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57699&oldid=57676 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+219) 10Official unofficial features, yay! > 1537463606 665583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07InterpretMe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57700&oldid=57108 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+53) 10TABLES TABLES TABLES (also bolded the first word) < 1537463627 457749 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1537463773 440189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MailBox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57701&oldid=47234 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+6) 10OCD: Bolded first instance of "MailBox" > 1537463964 390740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Tautologos14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57702 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+149) 10Created page with "Are you ''sure'' this isn't just a subset of Lua? -- ~~~~" > 1537464202 60268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:SynDev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57703 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+210) 10Created page with "Congratulations! You've invented [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Backus%E2%80%93Naur_form EBNF]. ~~~~" > 1537464263 85922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Blacksilver14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57704&oldid=57669 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+56) 10 < 1537466662 480591 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537467583 783381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537467900 819432 :zeroes!~zeroes@116.104.179.143 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537468079 960186 :ncl28!~ncl28@211.137.27.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537468095 92427 :zeroes!~zeroes@116.104.179.143 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537468141 697554 :ncl28!~ncl28@211.137.27.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537468884 992255 :physt23!~physt@197.248.225.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537468978 602282 :odyniec_2!~odyniec_@193stb38.codetel.net.do JOIN :#esoteric < 1537468984 222698 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537469046 288403 :physt23!~physt@197.248.225.110 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537469046 288455 :odyniec_2!~odyniec_@193stb38.codetel.net.do QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537470561 634417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07YEOOIIOOIOA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57705&oldid=57447 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+100) 10related phenomena < 1537470587 447760 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :random page surfing can be useful! < 1537470919 118462 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537472207 462887 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537474242 787070 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1537475200 894919 :CobHead14!~CobHead@110.77.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537475253 853718 :CobHead14!~CobHead@110.77.194.169 QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1537477364 678215 :assfdsgsd!~assfdsgsd@197.33.113.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537477417 347657 :assfdsgsd!~assfdsgsd@197.33.113.133 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537478837 286444 :bynarie22!~bynarie@116.96.110.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537478882 505351 :bynarie22!~bynarie@116.96.110.222 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537478911 811800 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1537479997 409900 :Cerpin18!~Cerpin@186.170.198.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537480005 566200 :Cerpin18!~Cerpin@186.170.198.148 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537480484 175590 :trn!~trn@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1537480485 63704 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537480680 826119 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537481444 82216 :rambo123456!~rambo1234@165.90.72.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537481713 275903 :rambo123456!~rambo1234@165.90.72.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537481976 346881 :g11!~g11@179.222.63.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537482333 21574 :g11!~g11@179.222.63.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537482398 847267 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:243e:1c88:fdff:ae5d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537482427 777581 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:243e:1c88:fdff:ae5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1537484694 712556 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537484730 945033 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537486124 364920 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537487646 57461 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537487688 493063 :jgoody15!~jgoody@88-148-183-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1537487711 974951 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537487739 717173 :jgoody15!~jgoody@88-148-183-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :K-Lined < 1537488137 361181 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537488636 839350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537490430 698317 :pabs26!~pabs@2402:800:6145:5788:40e4:56cd:9873:54a6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537490437 459616 :pabs26!~pabs@2402:800:6145:5788:40e4:56cd:9873:54a6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537491826 436785 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537492430 984805 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537495360 497789 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr JOIN :#esoteric < 1537495384 64736 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello muh dudes and dudets < 1537495430 12321 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :any golden dawn here? < 1537495539 795500 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that term is all greek to me ) < 1537495566 556710 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you study my friend? < 1537495570 62150 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537495731 605787 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1537495921 798489 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellllooooooo < 1537495924 202042 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo echo echo < 1537495927 969102 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone there < 1537495938 521025 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I just shouting into a vast abyss of nothingness < 1537495971 465101 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there some reflector out there to mirror manifestation? < 1537495975 794519 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537496016 647029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on < 1537496030 808459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt there is any Golden Dawn here though < 1537496101 413268 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't expect so < 1537496106 657218 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :just threw it out for fun < 1537496109 578411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1537496124 36799 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you zzo38? < 1537496129 702774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am OK < 1537496137 113571 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your life like? < 1537496141 3567 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you see? < 1537496146 414615 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's important to you? < 1537496192 623131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure how to respond, but perhaps I should learn. I write many computer programs, and play GURPS sometimes < 1537496201 82064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also read many books at library < 1537496502 954825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see this computer screen right now, though < 1537496580 539405 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the response < 1537496587 26038 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a compute screen too! < 1537496592 751387 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not yours < 1537496595 370118 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1537496604 485103 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write computer programs too < 1537496618 863787 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of stuff are you writing, what platform are you targeting? < 1537496820 54252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly write C programs on my own computer, which is Linux, although you can try to compile them on other systems too. I have also written programs for DOS, and for Famicom, and other stuff. Some of this stuff I write in C is SQLite extensions. Another is a set of programs for manipulating pictures, called Farbfeld Utilities. And then there are other various stuff. < 1537496829 958080 :sparch!~sparch@177.122.207.138 JOIN :#esoteric > 1537496878 11391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Technologic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57706&oldid=57699 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+253) 10 < 1537496890 180581 :sparch!~sparch@177.122.207.138 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537496927 201732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also worked with ZZT and figured out many things about it, and written another external editor for ZZT. And I also have a project Free Hero Mesh, which is a puzzle game engine. < 1537496946 821185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of these program you can look at if you are interested in it, is all public domain including source codes. < 1537498861 893356 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537498868 27914 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537499475 488193 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537499491 84070 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537500339 26906 :Arroyo101017!~Arroyo101@178.74.15.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537500427 803336 :Arroyo101017!~Arroyo101@178.74.15.177 QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1537502026 151441 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537502039 995399 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537502243 61395 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537502260 410656 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uwtxbuaxupvicanf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537503306 371068 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537504503 364114 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537505056 537148 :sklarr!~sky@unaffiliated/sklarr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537508471 522509 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537509776 374613 :Chestal2!~Chestal@156.199.42.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537510060 438892 :Chestal2!~Chestal@156.199.42.78 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537511892 22882 :gdiazlo!~gdiazlo@211.112.123.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537512091 614240 :gdiazlo!~gdiazlo@211.112.123.9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537513167 297658 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537513180 377359 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537514100 870282 :ZeroFlame00715!~ZeroFlame@x4d0275e4.dyn.telefonica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537514203 728387 :ZeroFlame00715!~ZeroFlame@x4d0275e4.dyn.telefonica.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537514352 537436 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1537514446 996232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537514812 779180 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537514909 340780 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1537516795 3518 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537517049 35814 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537517493 355116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537518871 926273 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537518927 910599 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: crazy idea: esoteric character encoding UTF-f32 "https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-09-19.html#lLc" < 1537519089 992838 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537520910 522274 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537520954 365122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A book I read recently asks Pope Francis I to convene Vatican III. But, they ask him to do so in 2015, which has already passed. < 1537521066 530798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reason why, or just for the sake of having a council? < 1537521116 177985 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe that book was read before that date has passed? < 1537521125 905356 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/read/published/ < 1537521236 47438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably it was published before then. < 1537521246 443091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or at least written before then.) < 1537521260 171088 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Pope Francis did become pope before that year. < 1537521350 681830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember the reason given, but it seem to me that Vatican III would help. < 1537521444 779124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have already seen your stuff about UTF-f32 above. < 1537521928 813587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure what to comment of that though) < 1537522160 956611 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. I might try to write it up in detail some time, or more likely just forget it as I give priority to other stuff. < 1537522206 241703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do, then we can see if there is any conflicting or not between endianness (other than null characters). < 1537522427 158474 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yup, although you could also easily test that if you wish, since you just have to make a set of the encodings of all character codes from 0x00000000 to 0x0010FFFD inclusive and check for clashes. (About two thousand of those codse are non-characters, but that doesn't matter.) < 1537522444 347660 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet done that test, but will do before writing up the human-readable proof. < 1537522623 272111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, I may test that myself too < 1537522784 268217 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a proof you can figure out in your head as a human, though you need to know some of the exact tricky details of single-precision floating point encoding, specifically how the biased exponent works exactly, which I had to look up. < 1537522817 397064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try to figure out that too, maybe < 1537523135 805473 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biased exponent of float formats is confusing to me because some texts define floating point such that the mantissa is between 1 and 2, and some define it such that the mantissa is between 0.5 and 1, so the exponent bias is shifted by 1 between those two. Those are just differences in notation, it shouldn't impact semantics (in correct implemen < 1537523136 25438 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tations). < 1537523206 187999 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does influence floating point formatting to text, such as to hex-floats. < 1537523334 619376 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's for normal numbers, denormals add an extra twist but that doesn't matter here.) < 1537523994 362085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this program and indeed the only output is zero: "use strict"; const dv=new DataView(new ArrayBuffer(4)); for(let i=0;i<0x10FFFE;i++) { dv.setFloat32(0,i,false); let n=dv.getFloat32(0,true); if(n>=0 && n<0x10FFFE && n===Math.floor(n)) console.log(i,n); } < 1537524183 713309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And since it is zero in both cases, is not problem) < 1537524211 775532 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, "use strict" in double quotes to comment it out? < 1537524221 658881 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, it's not perl < 1537524226 619548 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1537524239 101406 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that javascript? < 1537524264 718874 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language (and library if it's not obvious) is it? < 1537524418 670352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is JavaScript < 1537524476 235609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The only non-core function it uses is console.log, which can be used both in Node.js and in HTML) < 1537524610 90362 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1537524623 520230 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll still check myself because why not, but thank you for checking < 1537524882 671232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1537526585 828282 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537526898 909388 :Ingersol27!~Ingersol@27.69.249.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537526989 365828 :Ingersol27!~Ingersol@27.69.249.109 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537527372 905189 :ketas8!~ketas@177.61.15.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537527516 780054 :ketas8!~ketas@177.61.15.77 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537529768 410516 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. This is a film soundtrack, so it has a high dynamic range. As such, this noisy environment and cheap earbuds don't do it justice. I'll skip this album for now. < 1537529824 271008 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also seems an odd one in this youtube playlist by a third party. Doesn't really match the rest. < 1537531261 432663 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537532631 165650 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537532842 628946 :knobo4!~knobo@183.157.174.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537533161 707337 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537533231 384368 :knobo4!~knobo@183.157.174.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537533243 466648 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537533685 970154 :elmo1!~elmo@220.90.242.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537533727 93121 :elmo1!~elmo@220.90.242.233 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537534648 973974 :dougwig21!~dougwig@187.111.219.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537534866 694520 :dougwig21!~dougwig@187.111.219.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537534986 386847 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537535423 898243 :Sail0r25!~Sail0r@189-90-194-91.isimples.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1537535828 764379 :Sail0r25!~Sail0r@189-90-194-91.isimples.com.br QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1537536229 482605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X:14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57707&oldid=56299 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (-8) 10Link to [[User:A]] properly < 1537536306 495996 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jyacftfnwwnjyklw JOIN :#esoteric < 1537536858 997427 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537536882 188710 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2672694/take-2/ < 1537536882 894563 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ehlist: not found > 1537536896 510721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Insignificant14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57708&oldid=53281 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+2) 10Actual pi symbol < 1537537141 100607 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric > 1537537255 58140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FRM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57709&oldid=12627 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+7) 10 > 1537537434 946507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mostawesomeprogramminglanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57710&oldid=51034 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+4) 10OCD: Bolded first instance of "Mostawesomeprogramminglanguage" > 1537540015 682938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57711&oldid=57336 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+81) 10Added [[ESOPUNK]] > 1537540052 177636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57712&oldid=57711 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+2) 10**** > 1537541004 770695 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK/Commands14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57713&oldid=57673 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+647) 10"Equivalent" column < 1537543461 791747 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vaiiioijfcwvewgp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537543469 153389 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that the Firefox plugin Stylus is a good replacement for Stylish, because the latter has acquired a severe bug because it couldn't keep up with how Mozilla keeps changing Firefox. < 1537543481 979993 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm mentioning it here in case anyone else is using Stylus. < 1537543495 252785 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537543515 115718 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More info about this particular bug is at https://stackoverflow.com/q/51101566/2200827 , but the Stylus plugin could be useful anyway. < 1537543566 36075 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These plugins lets you apply custom user CSS to websites locally, thus making specific sites work better if you're willing to write the CSS or finding among ones other people write. < 1537544194 527484 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the... oh right, this is the splash screen of the Gimp 2.10.6 release. I was expecting the splash screen of the 2.10.0 and got surprised for a moment. < 1537544341 342545 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537544467 303355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that could do. I think new version of Stylish has spyware too, but if you are using a old version of Stylish and Firefox then you can use that (I use old version of Stylish and Firefox) < 1537544861 459544 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Firefox and some of the websites I visit, especially the ones I have to fix with user styles, have more spyware. < 1537544966 297161 :kalebris10!~kalebris@197.53.63.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537544968 865379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although many things still can be disabled. Is true to fix many things with user styles; I do that too. Often to remove advertisements, reduce line spacing and padding, reduce font sizes, etc. But once it was to correct the chapter number. < 1537545000 416042 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537545225 473777 :bezt26!~bezt@134.236.136.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537545250 588332 :kalebris10!~kalebris@197.53.63.150 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537545477 203351 :bezt26!~bezt@134.236.136.51 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537545523 687579 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remove many of the advertisments by a combination of a mental filter and the noscript extension, and there are some ads (especially ones on video sites) that I do notice but don't want to remove them much because < 1537545554 946995 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the content creators get some revenue from the ads and that makes them produce better content, so in most of those cases I don't yet have enough incentive to remove the ads. < 1537545617 772226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes if the ads are unobtrusive and don't waste so much bandwidth I will not remove them < 1537545627 817908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that isn't all that common < 1537545687 264236 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: note that many people use google ads these days, and I remove most of those from sites not controlled directly by google with noscript. < 1537545693 42584 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537545774 881524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that can be done too < 1537545787 477353 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the largest portion of ads that still get to me are ads on video sites (youtube and dailymotion) that either interrupt the video or are shown before the video or cover a portion of the video < 1537545840 602649 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I also notice a few of the youtube animated gif ads that are next to the video rather than covering it, specifically the one that really looked like it was advertising a scam. I think I mentioned that one on this channel. < 1537545949 705309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1141 < 1537545950 580154 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1141: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1537546020 767533 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o! < 1537546150 585379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1537546151 781321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist < 1537546158 108233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going to have to do the thing with the thing < 1537546204 583624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things won't be fix so well with CSS codes, so GreaseMonkey and moz-rewrite are also used. Such as, adding accesskey attributes or changing link targets is done with GreaseMonkey < 1537546336 625958 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, some things require reordering parts of the doc-tree, and those are hard to fix with CSS. < 1537546387 966458 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in some sites, the DOM might just lack the proper hooks (especially classes) to write a useful CSS. < 1537546468 696339 :jn!~jn@41.232.233.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537546625 593702 :jn!~jn@41.232.233.118 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537547177 214618 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537547353 203969 :andrew_!b2de7277@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.114.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537547527 477008 :andrew_!b2de7277@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.114.119 QUIT :Client Quit < 1537548701 778545 :jameson_!~jameson@37.58.58.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537549213 881144 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537550531 918116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537552159 517321 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537552346 902889 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I just got a mail from germany, delivering a small item I ordered through ebay. < 1537552406 397283 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My address (printed on the sheet and visible through the window of the envelope) is rendered almost correctly, including even the non-ascii letters, but they found a new twist on how to modify it. < 1537552487 889883 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the usual mangling of putting the town and the postal code in the wrong places (which almost all such order services do, even though technically it could be fixed either by some per-country formatting rules or by taking the whole name and address except for the country in a single textarea), < 1537552558 243897 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have uppercased the initials of the words in the street address line that should be lowercase. < 1537552588 212180 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They didn't uppercase the whole address American style like some sellers do.) < 1537552601 208949 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is a specifically german thing. < 1537552614 280636 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, um, a specifically German thing, really < 1537552773 189675 :wob_jonas!b03f181f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.31 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537553328 726397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that typing the address in Courier font in all uppercase with no punctuation allows the computer to sort it. This is the use I have for a typewriter, which is to type addresses on envelopes. < 1537553534 821137 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537554771 191847 :xa07!~xa0@118.41.143.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537554908 390027 :xa07!~xa0@118.41.143.87 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537556147 371231 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537556153 390976 :newbie83!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537556233 746028 :newbie83!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1537556238 982156 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1537556256 406981 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537556414 423238 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know about Canada, but in the US the USPS's equipment is able to read most written addresses, typed or handwritten. < 1537556474 923666 :Vaevictus!~Vaevictus@146.4.141.94.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1537556477 46003 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With relatively few addresses needing to fall back to a human. < 1537556517 271159 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in either case, once the address has been recognized, a barcode gets applied to the mail, and all future sorting is done automatically) < 1537556568 335500 :TheAppleMan22!~TheAppleM@41.223.153.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537556603 872626 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vaiiioijfcwvewgp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537556621 201086 :TheAppleMan22!~TheAppleM@41.223.153.73 QUIT :K-Lined < 1537556631 872417 :Vaevictus!~Vaevictus@146.4.141.94.dsl.static.ip.kpnqwest.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537558030 147807 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537558723 29863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537558781 425884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1537558781 604357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1537558782 882008 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537559107 713420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1537560014 67097 :nullifidian__!~nullifidi@93.175.231.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537560374 885482 :nullifidian__!~nullifidi@93.175.231.55 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537560413 30186 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537562826 459796 :djph14!~djph@mm-4-102-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by JOIN :#esoteric < 1537562886 968722 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537562887 189312 :Daneel3!~Daneel@pdf86c615.chibnt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537563031 108638 :djph14!~djph@mm-4-102-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537563216 17134 :Daneel3!~Daneel@pdf86c615.chibnt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537563785 515212 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6a20-76.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537563835 374367 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-bcee80-209.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1537564877 151679 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537565351 319460 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537565559 861709 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537566141 749222 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1537566377 682378 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-164-233.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1537566522 493593 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1537566550 77492 :BloqueNegro11!~BloqueNeg@181.224.181.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537567004 589882 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric < 1537567047 508434 :BloqueNegro11!~BloqueNeg@181.224.181.19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537567310 571842 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-164-233.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537567440 348059 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537567896 931295 :infowolfe!~infowolfe@121.142.170.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537567957 502200 :infowolfe!~infowolfe@121.142.170.243 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537568144 575241 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537568562 823423 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537568955 459 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537570676 156079 :timewalker23!~timewalke@188.114.131.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537570743 135441 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537570763 574778 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537570781 567282 :timewalker23!~timewalke@188.114.131.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537570825 38395 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537572361 338307 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537572438 824682 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all those curses about these new nokia feature phones, I'd like to praise them a little: they got sorting the contact list in Hungarian more closer to right than in older Nokias, < 1537572566 903427 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, names starting with Ö or Á get sorted near names starting with O or A (though not at the correct place), and when I type O to filter the contact list to names starting with O, it includes the ones starting with Ö (although I'd prefer if it wouldn't filter, just _seek_ to the first name starting with O or a later letter), < 1537572622 417916 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I no longer need the horrible workarounds of replacing a prefix Á with Aá and a prefix Ö with Oö like I used to do in older phones. < 1537572648 151462 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such names aren't common, but there is more than one in my contact list. < 1537572666 407769 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including entries I sometimes want to find. < 1537572746 446102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Did you see the thing I wrote at http://esolangs.org/logs/2018-09.html#lDsb ? < 1537572798 577317 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you read that from the postal organization in your country and recently? postal organizations actually put recommendations on how to address envelopes corerectly, including for machine sortability, and the kind of guy like you can even read the detailed docs rather than just the quick infosheet. And those recommendations can change occas < 1537572798 754562 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ionally on a decade scale, because of changes in technology. < 1537572808 353258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like you've said something similar at one point maybe. < 1537572810 986549 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, perhaps remind me a few days later. < 1537572828 924809 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ignore that < 1537572847 622043 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, I've seen that. (thought it's a different link) < 1537572903 544012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1537572918 53233 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1537572952 298828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:787138904.png10]]" < 1537572959 162725 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Do you want to design a feature phone with good interface? If you made a serious commitment, then I'd volunteer my time to give detailed specs for the parts of the UI that matter to me, and volunteer my time to test the phone in any state, whether it's early or late, and give feedback. I think I'm a reasonable tester. < 1537572959 430638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1537573015 64547 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Note that I don't volunteer for testing a version control system, because testing a VCS is a daunting hard problem, way over my testing abilities, and even specifying the expected semantics has really hard problems in it. < 1537573015 467904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1537573029 756784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is making a version control system? < 1537573063 957986 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. he is thinking of making one, and with a guy like him, I actually take that seriously, but he might never do it, because it's hard and he doesn't have infinite time. < 1537573066 374517 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537573085 525183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll talk to him about it sometime. < 1537573097 892149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of room for improvement in version control systems, if you ask me. < 1537573107 365985 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he even has a name for the version control system in the logs, and I gave him some vague instructions on what I expect from a version control system multiple times in chat < 1537573130 689164 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it telling that git remains the main popular one. < 1537573138 286461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it telling of? < 1537573176 566652 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes there is. I've talked a lot about them on this channel, although I only really know SVN and git, I haven't yet taken the time to get familiar with mercurial, and will probably never do so with darcs or the literally dozens of other free software vcses. < 1537573183 471974 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are willing to suffer through bad and awkward interfaces and fundamentally only really use the one that everyone uses regardless of whether or not it works well for them. < 1537573226 773707 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, I think it means the sort of people who care about choosing a vcs are willing to suffer through bad and awkward interfaces to get the features they need < 1537573248 464281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe mercurial is the future. < 1537573255 199353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mercurial + facebook's changes < 1537573302 759243 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its' not because everyone uses it. I do recommend git for certain types of personal projects even if nobody else interacts with it so what everyone uses doesn't matter. for other problems, I recommend svn or no version control at all just raw cp and diff and diff3 and patch < 1537573326 380221 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's possible. that's why I have to look at it in detail, but that takes a lot of time < 1537573432 863895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Do you think it makes sense to have blocks have input and/or output values? < 1537573469 562919 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um, what's the context? a C-like programming language? < 1537573488 849641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1537573502 533583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your blocks have early exit then exit-with-value makes sense. < 1537573516 981517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should probably think of it as something like a restricted continuation. < 1537573527 971932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But should blocks possibly have an input as well? < 1537573528 459935 :jameson_!~jameson@37.58.58.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537573535 413042 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like return values, such as in rust, but if it's too hard to fit to your language because of other features, then it's not too important. < 1537573567 46028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty core to some of my language ideas. < 1537573593 890248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether maybe the only way to declare variables is to have them as "block input" of sorts. < 1537573601 430488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. Maybe it's going too far. < 1537573646 774708 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inputs are more difficult, I'm not sure how that would work. would it be like an inline function (lambda) without captures immediately called with arguments, and possibly some restrictions lifted eg. on control transfer from the inner function to the outer body, or scope or liveness stuff? < 1537573656 479802 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would it have captures? < 1537573671 454897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would presumably have captures. < 1537573677 39694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like any block in C. < 1537573680 436227 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand how it would work if it could do more than just an inner function, and those must have serious restrictions. < 1537573684 244872 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, with captures < 1537573693 955425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do more than an inner function. < 1537573698 140893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like early exit, right? < 1537573699 865149 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can pass inputs in local variables anyway < 1537573747 78019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this is all considered in the context of a low-level language without random allocation for closures and so on. < 1537573812 696352 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but then for an inline function that captures the stack frame and never escapes its lifetime, the language could already allow early exits or gotos into the containing function body, even in rust, I don't think there's a strong technical reason not to do that, < 1537573821 488814 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537573856 93297 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hard to implement and you gain little from it, especially if there's variadic stack allocation (rust already has that) in the calling function or other strange things, but you could restrict some of the other strange things. < 1537573859 182923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a bit tricky to implement maybe? < 1537573874 599141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variadic stack allocation or any kind of destructors, I think. < 1537573889 653583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make things that behave a lot like exceptions. < 1537573896 124715 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: definitely tricky to implement, yes < 1537573966 885135 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1537573980 142814 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it gets even harder if you pass the function handle to called functions < 1537573985 255066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't want something as complicated as exceptions. < 1537573985 521091 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the useful case < 1537574003 93897 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sorry, I didn't think this through < 1537574014 81049 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be too hard to implement, so there's a good technical reason not to do it < 1537574042 782679 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much easier for a block that's called right then and there, with the function reference not going anywhere < 1537574075 887780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The block also just doesn't behave a whole lot like a lambda, I think. < 1537574086 338265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that a lambda is a special kind of block. < 1537574101 997988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think I'd want to allow early exit outside its body. < 1537574185 636419 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1537574298 371979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether I want block arguments or not. < 1537574304 360879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do, how would they be passed to blocks? < 1537574317 937672 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning about the C64 makes me appreciate memory protection more. I was confused by memory protection because it seems like modern OSes have APIs to reach into other processes' memory anyway. But with C64, if you have something in the background, it could be incompatible with other programs if some other program happens to want that same memory. Memory protection improves compatibility and avoids accidents < 1537574369 547385 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern OSes also usually gate those APIs with permissions. < 1537574392 959792 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, while it's possible for a program to reach into another process's memory, it's not possible for a program to reach into *any* other process's memory. < 1537574411 555171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should computers have a single address space? < 1537574430 899287 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, would they just assign the arguments to formal parameters in an explicit formal parameter list (possibly with the types omittable)? if so, then how is that better from just plain local variable declarations with initialization at the inside beginning of the block? < 1537574434 937208 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I guess that would be fine if the machine language was easily relocatable < 1537574449 977724 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574451 977727 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any instruction sets like that, only relocatable instructions < 1537574461 924339 :wyggler227!~wyggler2@206.214.15.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574472 102872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mill has a single address space. < 1537574476 241194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Let me think of some of my use cases. < 1537574480 341777 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574481 211278 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's just C-like lexical scope rules for when the argument names are live, you can just add a multiple declaration statement like in C. < 1537574488 660206 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1537574489 122238 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i just want ( as my implementation passes except for that poly-add-term procedure. let's think of fnord awful rc scheme... brown too as well. < 1537574492 26211 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/the difference is/ < 1537574499 815369 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mill is also willing to engage in some fairly radical departures from traditional architecture to pull it off. < 1537574503 764584 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even a multiple declaration with different types. < 1537574536 981064 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574537 736245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Do you remember that my "for x in xs" syntax was { x := for(xs); BODY }? < 1537574553 888566 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1537574563 398151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should that expand into? < 1537574605 503365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it's a C++-style for loop. Not that I really want those, but at least they're established. < 1537574612 341386 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for x (xs) { BODY } < 1537574635 281089 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do oyu mean by "C++-style for loop"? those have like six twists over C-like for loops < 1537574648 161246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for (auto x : xs) in C++ < 1537574663 760418 :wyggler227!~wyggler2@206.214.15.140 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537574747 615259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might turn into something like { @break_label; it := xs.begin(); end := xs.end(); @label; exit_if (it == end) @break_label; { @continue_label; BODY }; ++it; repeat @label; } < 1537574777 405448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except x should be in scope for BODY < 1537574785 162562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make sense, hmm. < 1537574799 283091 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: with the variable that xs.begin() and xs.end() will be assigned to with required same type (older C++) or allowed different types (newer C++)? with auto x expanding to a C++-style reference to the dereferenced values? < 1537574907 57711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are better for loops anyway, I just wanted something to use as an example. < 1537574909 929842 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rust doesn't allow returns values from for-range loops and do-while loops, because they might run the block zero times, so it's not clear what the normal fall-out-of-block return value should be, unless it's () in which case return values are not useful. < 1537574911 847273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use Rust-style iterators intead. < 1537574937 640369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: That's pretty reasonable. Maybe only for-else style loops should have return values. < 1537574946 153312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean early exit values. < 1537574954 540697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want early exit values from arbitrary blocks anyway. < 1537575011 598806 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rust-style iterators in your language? aren't they pretty hard to design a language around where they're useful? < 1537575040 388334 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++-style or old lua-style may be easier < 1537575084 39083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't a Rust iterator just a thing with a next() method that can return a next value or None? < 1537575093 245386 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old lua as in the same one as in current lua, which was designed for old lua that didn't have closures, so it lets you passes extra parameters to the iterator callbacks < 1537575113 992126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing is irrelevant anyway. < 1537575135 405563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question here isn't how iterators should work, it's how the { x := macro(); ... } thing should work. < 1537575139 702848 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: object with next method => pretty much, yes < 1537575171 34795 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, I'm too tired to contribute anything useful to this now. you might want to ask me later or ask someone else < 1537575227 886809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The point is, I guess, that { x := XXX; YYY } is like a sort bof lambda/continuation with a hole in the place where it says XXX < 1537575354 766149 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it just a non-lambda control structure that executes the block ones with that lexical variable locally assigned in the block? few languages have that control structure, but it's one you could have. < 1537575359 876030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot like a block {|x| YYY} applied to argument XXX < 1537575366 170278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When XXX is a regular value, I mean. < 1537575398 232021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's not a regular value but a semi-macro-thing, the semi-macro-thing should effectively take that block as an argument, and be able to run it with a value. < 1537575443 452966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's that too. But actually using the name "x" is kind of ugly. < 1537575444 723595 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and is that a golang-like := that declares a new lexical local variable, or a traditional assignment to an existing lvalue or variable (temporary or permanent)? < 1537575459 605196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Go-like. < 1537575480 155911 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's easier. no messing with restoring the original value ever. < 1537575492 933000 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, definitely can be interpreted as a control structure < 1537575498 721424 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no lambda in there < 1537575507 560505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, { x = XXX; YYY } is maybe trickier. < 1537575515 949766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the lambda is only conceptual, it's not a real lambda. < 1537575543 952192 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which version, the permanent assignment (that's easy, if you already have mutable variables), or the temporary one? < 1537575555 895581 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the temporary one really should have different syntax though < 1537575565 451002 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this language has a very strange syntax < 1537575588 390405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not concerned with assignment for the moment. < 1537575618 224551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of thing is { x := [hole]; YYY }? < 1537575632 877156 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think it's a lambda. didn't you already imply that the other control structures like for-each or while or if aren't lambdas, because much less restrictions? if so, then this is even less of a lambda. < 1537575664 214035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not a lambda. < 1537575670 681898 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: IMPERATIVE CHICKEN < 1537575670 989280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only used the word "lambda" as analogy. < 1537575697 816401 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh, that could be a convenience syntactic sugar I guess, if you mean the value is given somewhere after the closing brace < 1537575700 976595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like a SSA basic block, as described in https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rjsimmon/15411-f15/lec/10-ssa.pdf < 1537575727 229942 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be a real lambda with that x:=[hole]; declaring an argument < 1537575770 965900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can write "macro" such that when you write { x := macro(); YYY }, "macro" expands to some code that takes { x := [hole]; YYY } as an argument. < 1537575799 284625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These aren't really AST-processing macros but something weaker that treats that thing as a black box.) < 1537575801 339016 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in some languages iirc the braces themselves in some syntactic context imply it's a lambda, not called < 1537575806 322789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm communicating very coherently. :-( < 1537575829 132261 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, like I said I'm too tired to really understand anything you say < 1537575876 190961 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different topic: < 1537575919 919236 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In natural languages, do you know those language prescriptionists that try to proscribe some redundant phrases? I hate them. < 1537575959 751857 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because they cherry-pick by hating some kind of redundancies while liking others. That's OK. < 1537575997 407034 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because many of those redundant phrases are actually features: they help in either disambiguation or error-correcting, the latter especially in spoken text in noisy environments. < 1537576040 907295 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first, phrases with a TLA like "ATM machine", "PIN number", "LCD display" are good because TLAs are so ambiguous that you need the redundancy to *disambiguate*. < 1537576073 28947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your communication would be clearer if you started with the example. < 1537576101 123442 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some redundant phrases help error-correct against mishearing. I don't know a good English example that grammar nazis try to proscribe, but in Hungarian, "Hol fekszik helyileg?" is a double redundant phrase for asking "Where?", < 1537576125 556348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd much rather proscribe acronyms in the first place. < 1537576132 607446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're mostly bad. < 1537576182 570453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad way to construct words. < 1537576186 503794 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "helyileg" is a good circumphrasing and "fekszik" is a qualifier, and the error-correction is useful in spoken text (esp in noisy channel) because "Hol?" is too short alone and easy to mishear, < 1537576214 969801 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the alternative "Merre?" would be proscribed by the same grammar nazis for an entirely different reason. < 1537576254 179666 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: perhaps, but acronyms still seem sometimes useful, especially in technical jargon < 1537576262 659533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're bad in technical jargon. < 1537576274 931094 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mind you, maybe they aren't that useful, because for some reason maths terminology barely has any acronyms, while computing has a ton < 1537576286 556339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to invent a word, there are much better ways to explore word-space than taking the first letter of a bunch of other words. < 1537576373 96832 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, that might be true < 1537576457 596968 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnite < 1537576460 103534 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537576472 960694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the reasons people use acronyms is to -- oh, never mind. < 1537576596 383434 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537576737 76917 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: If we're putting dbus in the linux kernel, I want a java rmi registry there too. < 1537576743 960612 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1537576970 385522 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537577087 687565 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, < 1537577089 313974 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"● Mainframe experience shows an established < 1537577089 491626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :market for hardware decimal arithmetic" < 1537577091 610109 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1537577339 15965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1537577514 712523 :[n0mad]21!~n0mad]@134.236.66.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537577569 98739 :[n0mad]21!~n0mad]@134.236.66.42 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537578354 762725 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537578516 941034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537579080 486274 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:77f:bce9:886f:993f:5751:e91c JOIN :#esoteric < 1537579137 459223 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1537579543 14942 :en7ropy!~en7ropy@183.157.175.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537579627 337582 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537579782 364217 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537579830 843060 :en7ropy!~en7ropy@183.157.175.111 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537581323 136210 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I dunno, but mainframes do *do* BCD arithmetic natively. < 1537581346 729017 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not decimal floats, mind, but certainly decimal fixed-point. < 1537582782 118389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which mainframes? < 1537582835 412860 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that was a claim from Mill people < 1537582846 929377 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://web.archive.org/web/20160303233450/http://www.ac.usc.es/arith19/sites/default/files/SSDAP3_ArithmeticOnTheMillArchitecture.pdf < 1537582906 673166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some computers have BCD, not only mainframe computers though < 1537583001 370216 :zgrep1!~zgrep@110.34.72.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537583108 336565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who wrote a game for NES used base 100 to score the score (rather than base ten). Some implementations of MIX also use base 100 (although it includes the instruction to display the numbers anyways) < 1537583128 27415 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :>score the score < 1537583216 997194 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a typical feature of the System Zs. < 1537583238 638649 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and its ancestry) < 1537583249 63036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1537583283 571260 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also exposed (and indeed, is kinda the default arithmetic type) in COBOL. < 1537583286 888588 :zgrep1!~zgrep@110.34.72.194 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537583299 608825 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'd expect it to be around on any environment where running COBOL was considered important. < 1537584114 93154 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537584273 977770 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537584401 385023 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537584405 577312 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1537584763 482328 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL for the Commodore 64 exists. < 1537584781 351804 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abacus Software apparently implemented a lot of languages on C64 < 1537585554 333612 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537586468 645914 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537586498 931689 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537586634 620720 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537589328 312966 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:#esoteric < 1537594329 909108 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537595522 954742 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537596176 137753 :scorche|1h25!~scorche|1@186-92-117-245.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537596325 151142 :scorche|1h25!~scorche|1@186-92-117-245.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537597127 331807 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 100 is sort of a thing on a lot of byte-size cpus with support for a bcd-adjust instruction < 1537597144 267200 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the z80 and I think 6502 < 1537597208 200412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: That seems like one of the less interesting things about the Mill, whether or not it's true. < 1537597229 192613 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the HP saturn is one of my favorite CPUs because its native state is BCD < 1537597260 904491 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 64-bit cpu designed around 4-bit values < 1537597274 807294 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 4-bit cpu? idk how this works < 1537597373 437551 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537597385 737248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But z80 and 6502 are still binary computers, even though it has BCD < 1537597475 646165 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was looking at your reference to a NES game which used base 100 < 1537597481 604063 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 6502 < 1537597510 157174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES doesn't have BCD though < 1537597526 389453 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a very long time since an acutal native BCD computer has been around 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:nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:77f:bce9:886f:993f:5751:e91c JOIN :#esoteric < 1537635162 766490 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:77f:bce9:886f:993f:5751:e91c QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1537635234 974208 :empty_string11!~empty_str@5.36.183.89.dynamic-dsl-ip.omantel.net.om JOIN :#esoteric < 1537635388 691783 :empty_string11!~empty_str@5.36.183.89.dynamic-dsl-ip.omantel.net.om QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537636568 887364 :LD_19!~LD_@41.239.51.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537636978 346977 :LD_19!~LD_@41.239.51.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537637086 985416 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537639112 43255 :Fire-Dragon-DoL2!~Fire-Drag@2402:800:610b:93b:d8da:985e:5002:17e7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537639363 312101 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdyysginrppuhznb JOIN :#esoteric < 1537639624 692032 :Fire-Dragon-DoL2!~Fire-Drag@2402:800:610b:93b:d8da:985e:5002:17e7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537640336 977967 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537640492 13713 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537640516 949669 :bylzz9!~bylzz@177.184.190.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537640799 438557 :bylzz9!~bylzz@177.184.190.236 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537642657 28764 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537643197 256686 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not new at all, but i figured out a pretty trival way to compile Befunge, if g and p are not used to modify code. < 1537643279 49877 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just build "strings" out of each possible program direction, and compile those individual conditional free strings < 1537643437 666339 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1537643449 661300 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone already thought of that. Eh, like i said, probably wasn't new < 1537643607 317024 :syd!~syd@196.20.242.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537643759 575666 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Furthermore, our TI columnist, C. Regena, suggests using RANDOMIZE before each call to RND to insure total randomness." < 1537643763 414900 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://archive.org/stream/1983-12-compute-magazine/Compute_Issue_043_1983_Dec#page/n49 < 1537644001 967374 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537644055 535160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1537644148 301430 :syd!~syd@196.20.242.89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537644165 308768 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems weird, redoing a seed? < 1537644173 173175 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know TI-99 basic < 1537644192 936774 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537644275 502875 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised how fun a SIMD language could be for codegolf. < 1537644278 492294 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to make one! < 1537645082 323533 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537645111 937884 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537645214 120816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I was joking < 1537645289 651814 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: of course it could be that that particular RANDOMIZE incorporates the old seed at least, in which case it likely won't do any actual harm. < 1537645797 695019 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537645954 292896 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a revelation < 1537645995 12529 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how D&D has some of these class-alignment restrictions, where you can't use certain class abilities if you're not in the favored alignment(s) for the class? < 1537646036 627500 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of them as stupid, mostly because of the Paladin class. That class seemed bad to me because of the striking popular image of the white knight and the black knight, I didn't know why a knight could only fight for good. < 1537646054 408321 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know about Paladins, but at least I realized why some class-alignment restrictions actually make sense. < 1537646074 35306 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some in the real world too. And I always knew about them, I just didn't put the two together until this weekend. < 1537646108 808552 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A leading politician or a leading businessman must be Evil. < 1537646166 900384 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still start a political or business carrer without being Evil, that is, you can take the class, but if you don't turn yourself to truly Evil, then you really won't be able to use the most powerful tools of those trades, and you almost certainly won't rise to the top. < 1537646199 386346 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why all the most successful politicians (presidents, etc) you see are Evil, though some are good at hiding it. < 1537646227 849991 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least after the second world war in Europe. Maybe the situation was different back when Ghandi lived, I really don't know. < 1537646270 97134 :clayg10!~clayg@151.70.204.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537646284 745804 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the same is true for web designers at the big commercial sites like Facebook. The people developing eg. Facebook and Google must be Evil, or else they lose their best tools and their websites will never be one of the most successful ones. < 1537646325 68079 :clayg10!~clayg@151.70.204.106 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537646332 177010 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all this started to make sense to me this weekend, when I saw the thoroughly Evil web design team of a big website do a Good redesign of the site. < 1537646356 887419 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's normal, they're still Evil. Even many Evil politicians sometimes do Good things, and I won't go into the details in politics, but I can tell about the web design case if you want. < 1537646427 65101 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the problem is that in this case, their Good act came off as unpopular in the established community of the website, perhaps because of the gut reaction that a redesign of a website must be bad (that's natural), or perhaps because they don't realize < 1537646480 582674 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, while this particular redesign takes away some shinies they were used to, it also really helps some potential new users, especially ones with vision problems who use a highly zoomed browser (but not a screened reader), who previously couldn't use the website through no fault of their own. < 1537646526 938993 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now there are some new browser capabilities widely available that can help on this, and although web designers usually misuse those new tools for Evil, THIS TIME these particular Evil web designers actually did something Good with them, < 1537646547 28951 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used the so-called "responsive design" tools for good and made a website that people with a zoomed browser can actually use. < 1537646570 265950 :zenethian17!~zenethian@120.86.109.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537646594 757785 :zenethian17!~zenethian@120.86.109.68 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537646622 995771 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They made a website that when zoomed to an effectively narrow window, still has all functionality availble, rather than hiding elements essential for navigation or making them inaccessible by having them disappear to outside the bounding boxes or overlap with other controls. < 1537646722 71812 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they did it for a totally Evil reason too: in this case the potential gain of new users who'll now be able to use the site is bigger for them, and they don't care about losing a few regulars who are upset about losing their shiny toys like "custom vote buttons" or "starry background" or "fancy header font" (I'm not kidding). < 1537646736 651713 :Gathis!~Gathis@2402:800:6124:5db6:7cb9:de43:2426:ec3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537646759 980817 :Gathis!~Gathis@2402:800:6124:5db6:7cb9:de43:2426:ec3 NICK :Guest10237 < 1537646765 866827 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote a writeup that is mostly true but very selective about what it tells where I try to convince the established users that this one change is Good, while I'm silent about the web designers being Evil because I don't have to tell everything to them. < 1537647020 333744 :Guest10237!~Gathis@2402:800:6124:5db6:7cb9:de43:2426:ec3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537647135 308179 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdyysginrppuhznb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537647414 354417 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1537647942 622104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some users could perhaps use programs such as Stylish and GreaseMonkey to alter it on their own computer if they want to do < 1537648213 703201 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wkokfatohwdqccxw JOIN :#esoteric < 1537650811 13262 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537650837 21948 :Gibheer23!~Gibheer@mm-125-95-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by JOIN :#esoteric < 1537650889 139204 :Gibheer23!~Gibheer@mm-125-95-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by QUIT :K-Lined < 1537651023 926100 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537652834 949233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to address a ARRL radiogram if the intended recipient is not expected to be at home? < 1537653092 61653 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's what I did < 1537653123 928819 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12100/4918 I share a user-style that you can use in your browser to regain one of those lost features, < 1537653183 310960 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and in https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12103/4918 (cross-posted to https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12102/4918 ) I explain how the new design is good for the community because it will allow some users to join, < 1537653222 511847 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically I argue that people who are using large zoom in browser but no screen reader because of one of various vision problems will now be able to use the site. < 1537653254 600766 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the part that some new browser features have made possible, like the @media thing and the grid and flex layouts. < 1537653993 620259 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ARRL radiogram => is that a HAM thing? I don't know anything about HAM, and I don't recall anyone on this channel discussing it. < 1537654102 76413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is a HAM thing, I think. < 1537654119 63167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzhello38 < 1537654123 463998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1537654127 436973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta break that habit. < 1537654183 183362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not need to post such a message at this time, but still would like to know how such thing would be work) < 1537654197 529726 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi schachaf < 1537654217 429035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_njonas < 1537654274 256842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am also not sure how someone who is not a amateur radio operator would post such a message. I do know the format, although some fields will have to be filled in by the radio operator) < 1537654326 593133 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you sure you even need that sort of message? < 1537654367 367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are lvalues a good idea? < 1537654375 149183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages have something else? < 1537654383 689799 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you use some non-HAM thing, such as some postal service thing like a registered letter, a registered letter with returned receipt of delivery, a telegram, a telegram with a return receipt of delivery, etc? < 1537654387 805909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than ML and ALGOL 68 and assembly. < 1537654406 540858 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, I don't have time for that discussion now. < 1537654419 891625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question was for the channel in this case. < 1537654432 390441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe zzo38 has an opinion. < 1537654645 444701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLISS needs a . operator to read from the specified address, but for writing you do not use that (unless it is a pointer you want to write through). < 1537654698 325000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Forth, normally a variable name is a constant which represents the address of the variable, and you then use @ to read and ! to write, although it is also possible to do something more like lvalues in C, with some tricks. < 1537654770 396610 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537654782 756312 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1537654830 398507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1537654851 382028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything with the convenience of C lvalues but also the simplicit of explicit addresses? < 1537654916 703260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe .X isn't so bad... < 1537654953 39075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, in practice these aren't real addresses becuase they might just refer to registers. < 1537654959 207829 :Kelsar16!~Kelsar@134.236.17.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537655016 654492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be the reasonable reason to have lvalues, I suppose, due to because sometimes they might be registers. < 1537655130 156942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's much of a reasonable reason. < 1537655138 711983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in C things with lvalues have addresses. < 1537655158 188263 :Kelsar16!~Kelsar@134.236.17.28 QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1537655160 69433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as long as you don't use those addresses the compiler is free to keep them in registers. So you could do the same thing here. < 1537655307 1773 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Some implementations of MIX also use base 100 (although it includes the instruction to display the numbers anyways) => the original intention for that was decimal arithmetic, but you can actually easiliy implement that in binary arithmetic with a 7-bit binary byte backing it too < 1537655390 166165 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the NUM and CHR instructions only need to divide by a *constant*, that can actually be implemented very efficiently at the gate level, or at software level on a modern computer with multiplication, and compilers do the latter routinely. it's even easier for an unsigned number like this is. < 1537655433 945880 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This took me a while to understand. When I read that the NUM and CHAR instructions take so few cycles, I was surprised because I thought they'd have to do like ten divisions on a base-64 MIX. They don't. < 1537655443 62529 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can really be that fast in a base-64 or base-anything MIX. < 1537655550 987258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIXPC always uses one 8-bit byte to store one MIX byte, regardless of what base is used for the MIX program (it supports any number from 64 to 100 for the base) < 1537655574 157925 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: regardless < 1537655588 988405 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 7 bits are practical because then you can put the 63 bits of a word in a 64-bit integer < 1537655592 47198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, OK, although C also has a "register" command (although optimizing compilers will decide itself to use a register or not instead) < 1537655594 547555 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1537655598 339525 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with 6 bits per byte < 1537655605 162267 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ... um, I can't count today < 1537655622 273902 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 32-bit integer, 31 of its bits for 5 bytes of 6 bits each < 1537655627 222311 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 byte of sign < 1537655631 114057 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that was dumb of me < 1537655668 4550 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the remaining bit as a warning for cells that have active IO in them, to warn about IO conflicts, or a warning for debugging tracepoints, or anything like that < 1537655689 486506 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a warning that the simulator has to look up in an external table whatever the hell is special about that cell and what it has to do when you access it < 1537655706 302748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can be done that way. < 1537655715 759593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to implement MIX in MMIX some time, too < 1537655736 988878 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice < 1537655769 942337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think "register" affects the semantics of a program, though? > 1537655800 341354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Qwertyu6314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57717&oldid=52302 5* 03Ais523 5* (+376) 10/* Unused image */ new section < 1537655848 440421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you are right it does not (actually, I don't know if it interacts with inline assembly code in any way; well, it might depend on the compiler) < 1537656255 225728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: SML works the same way as BLISS, I think. < 1537656260 753038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this way of programming annoying? < 1537656283 211923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think so, but I don't know < 1537656488 718601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you have an assignment operator like = : (Ref A,A) -> () < 1537656536 300833 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537656638 295927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would suppose so (or to have like in C where the value is also the result value from the operator) < 1537656657 215276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's an option. < 1537656672 973668 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ance < 1537656674 222267 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, c < 1537656682 229335 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 ? ance < 1537656683 703710 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:e, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance. < 1537657094 883230 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 100 is sort of a thing on a lot of byte-size cpus with support for a bcd-adjust instruction => also the x86_16, and technically still possible on x86_32, but no longer on x86_64 < 1537657170 639137 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_16 has SIX decimal adjust instructions, four for one digit in a byte, two for two digits in a byte, for which there's a special flag storing the carry from bit 3 to bit 4 in byte additions and subtractions < 1537657191 860825 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_32 inherited these, but by the time x86_32 got popular, people no longer used them much I think < 1537657204 604467 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the 8087 has a decimal float format < 1537657992 2361 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537658704 607166 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: re "they're going to have to do the thing with the thing", < 1537658712 833319 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only just read OOTS #1141, I was so busy. Now I see why some people were so excited about the current OOTS storyline. Some of them effectively guessed the ending of #1141 a few strips before. And someone asked exactly about whether that statement in the last but one panel was true. I thought it wasn't. It is, or so the guy in this strip claims. < 1537658737 520548 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ only just/I&/ < 1537658785 863508 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't understand what thing you say they'll have to do < 1537658812 489792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the thing" = the dark one < 1537658817 129117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second thing < 1537658822 135253 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1537658828 87822 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part is clear < 1537658845 810604 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either him or the one they don't speak of < 1537658911 650948 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the first thing? reinforce? < 1537658936 562131 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tear down this one and make a new with him? < 1537658961 120914 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really can't guess < 1537658982 826738 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give a hint of what you're thinking? < 1537659025 19391 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without spoilers, there are other o fans here, or in priv < 1537659255 957505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one they don't speak of? < 1537659262 782839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I really had anything coherent in mind. < 1537659285 236276 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, is his ity supposed to be the shortest wavelength one, or are they actually more like equal strength and combining to a more powerful whole, like the five colors of M:tG (but without the different moralities implied), or like Captain Planet from the five rings, or < 1537659337 302987 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even guaranteed to be symmetric by some physics invariance law like the three colors of quarks, or perhaps were originally symmetric but the field of the one they don't speak of caused spontaneous symmetry breaking by banning all the green ity? < 1537659362 912438 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the gods don't speak of the tangly one to mortals. the guy said that a few strips ago. < 1537659432 650764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you expect quarks or even wavelengths to exist in this world. < 1537659453 934864 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: #1137 seventh panel < 1537659489 181096 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not quarks specifically, I'm just asking if the ities are equal, or were equal until the tangly one killed them, or if they were originally ranked by strength < 1537659521 755137 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quark colors is just a stupid analogy, I only said that because it's clear that these aren't really about the visible colors either, just like the M:tG colors aren't either < 1537659536 262734 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colors are just a convenient representation for the comic strip < 1537659581 425062 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, as in "pretty pictures" #13 < 1537659616 617243 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy is also doing the pretty pictures thing for plot exposition in #1141 < 1537659651 857428 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying that he's using the same bard ability, just that he also creates pretty pictures for plot exposition < 1537659723 702858 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, you know, the dark one has different origins, so maybe his ity is different < 1537659746 176994 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the original four ities were equal, this one could be different < 1537659774 794504 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogy with the purple color Mark says he was trying for M:tG Future Sight is hard to avoid too < 1537659804 620127 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1537659808 8203 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not that < 1537659821 515767 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=23383311 is a more plausible explanation of the purple ity < 1537659865 229151 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, the spontaneous symmetry breaking analogy is real < 1537659878 603478 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the tangly one actually cared which color he killed < 1537659880 144903 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was random < 1537659913 74515 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really sounds like the lack of green ity was like spontanous symmetry breaking in physics < 1537659930 805712 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's hard to believe that the four itites weren't equal, regardless what the fifth is and whether there could be more than five < 1537660335 366423 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wkokfatohwdqccxw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537660718 563439 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Another SMBC that plays on the same thing as xkcd. http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/vas https://www.xkcd.com/644/ < 1537660854 691892 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537660901 572459 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537661092 348329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537661146 920188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1537661147 222969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas said 1d 29m 47s ago: Do you want to design a feature phone with good interface? If you made a serious commitment, then I'd volunteer my time to give detailed specs for the parts of the UI < 1537661147 312317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :that matter to me, and volunteer my time to test the phone in any state, whether it's early or late, and give feedback. I think I'm a reasonable tester. < 1537661147 401412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas said 1d 28m 51s ago: Note that I don't volunteer for testing a version control system, because testing a VCS is a daunting hard problem, way over my testing abilities, and even specifying < 1537661147 401472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :the expected semantics has really hard problems in it. < 1537661197 691170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't think I can reasonably make a serious commitment to anything extra at this point, I'm finding it hard enough just to keep up with my existing projects even cycling through them and putting some into indefinitely-delayed status < 1537661202 133630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is interesting though < 1537661293 7277 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't have to be now. the version control system isn't now either, nor are the ayacc improvements or the aimake3 < 1537661301 753366 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they can all wait < 1537661310 148260 :Gottaname22!~Gottaname@173.225.242.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537661322 84562 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't expect you to do this, I'm just trying to grab any thin chance < 1537661340 552840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean aimake4? < 1537661347 536874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake3 is what NH4 uses at the moment < 1537661473 998705 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aimake4 then < 1537661487 953732 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of these you might never make < 1537661499 655844 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not the one with infinite time for projects like zzo38 < 1537661509 585265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 80-90% of the time when I can get around to doing programming at the moment I spend on my day job < 1537661527 501628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the time I just don't seem to have the energy to do anything creative, I just consume, and it's really annoying < 1537661564 206502 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah. it's much worse for me. I feel like I can barely get anything hobby done. < 1537661596 454602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably also worth a disclaimer that my idea of a good interface is often very different from everyone else's :-D < 1537661678 372089 :Gottaname22!~Gottaname@173.225.242.100 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537661719 613758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you see my question about languages without lvalues? Seems like the sort of thing you'd know about. < 1537661738 846223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I haven't fully logread yet < 1537661740 958626 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure. < 1537661744 574851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just skimming and haven't even skimmed the whole thing < 1537661777 728584 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and in the case of aimake, that difference means I'd never use the thing. I can see why you need it for nethack in particular, but that's a difficult project. < 1537661797 697929 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and as for uncursed, you made it for nethack too, that shaped its interface. < 1537661815 94812 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ayacc, you were following an existing interface mostly < 1537661824 440368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what difference? the way I view interface? < 1537661832 147266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also uncursed1's interface is /very/ similar to that of curses < 1537661843 96813 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, because that's what's useful for nethack < 1537661876 766694 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the difference is that you want aimake to figure out all the messed up dependency loop on itself, by inspecting the symbols in the binaries and all that sort of black magic. < 1537661883 848025 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want such a make system for sane projects. < 1537661892 132215 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you said you used it for new projects too < 1537661896 458315 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not *only* for nethack < 1537661901 933002 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually seem to like that black magic < 1537661974 159437 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ayacc, but it has mostly yacc's interface, with some improvements < 1537661981 180239 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use ayacc in the future < 1537661997 580349 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I had already liked yacc before I ever saw ayacc < 1537662025 239208 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hate how people abuse rec-descent parser generators and think it's a silver bullet < 1537662033 303921 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they come up with terrible syntax < 1537662051 578724 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc helps you ke < 1537662056 527719 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ep syntax sane < 1537662062 947154 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by forcing it to be LR < 1537662201 906734 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and in several of your esolangs, your idea of the interface is that you don't provide a concrete syntax, you give the semantics and tell what information will have to be specified in the program and input (Incident is one of the exceptions) < 1537662218 311819 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that I think is one way of thinking of a user interface, and I have no problem with it < 1537662243 122884 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: git's bad interface is a problem, but low-level stuff for which I can make my own interface suits me normally < 1537662266 684669 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a computer guy, I can work with making my own interface that is shaped what I like < 1537662277 243098 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for git I have custom aliases < 1537662286 823225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the black magic in aimake because it's something that a computer should be able to do better than a human < 1537662295 123748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, /I'm/ no good at it < 1537662323 272509 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: build systems are hard, and everyone has different ideas about it. I don't like any of them. < 1537662342 958578 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know it's a genuinely hard problem. I don't even know what a good build system would look like. < 1537662350 905078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ideas about that are good. < 1537662354 236805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're incomplete. < 1537662358 607962 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note even as much as for the vcs, where I have ideas which might be contradictory < 1537662365 403845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I'll figure out how to do it. < 1537662365 859844 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, mutually incompatible < 1537662380 444391 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think I need a build system, not for my projects < 1537662381 638956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What do you think of bazel-style build systems? < 1537662390 150787 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have no idea what bazel-style means < 1537662399 630978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use shell scripts. Each source file contains the commands to compile itself, and then if the program has multiple modules that needs to be put together, that will be another shell script to put all of them together. (For example, look at what is done in Free Hero Mesh.) < 1537662415 30900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: In the style of Google's build system, bazel. < 1537662431 25390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which Facebook cloned and called Buck, and Twitter cloned and called Pants, and some other people also cloned.) < 1537662470 140672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is build system of Free Hero Mesh: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/heromesh.ui/artifact/5fc19466c4f1bbc5 < 1537662517 907318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I have some ideas of what a good build system /isn't/ < 1537662520 95019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it isn't imperative < 1537662531 931418 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, ideas of what it isn't are easy < 1537662535 835718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1537662538 328094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you narrow things down < 1537662548 193837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imperative format of Windows installers makes it very hard to get uninstalling right < 1537662555 398495 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are lots of existing build systems, work with a big project that uses any of them and you'll notice why the build system is unsuitable for that project < 1537662561 122581 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that several times < 1537662603 284921 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the build system was chosen by others, which is fine for me because luckiliy they also maintained the build system configuration, I only had to report to them that it's not working < 1537662645 495380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think C-INTERCAL's build system is unsuitable for it < 1537662664 790934 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point, the build system actually didn't know about a necessary build order dependence, but apparently nobody else complained that sometimes when you do a clean build at the wrong moon phase, you have to rerun the build process after an error < 1537662665 831535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except inasmuch as it's unsuitable for anything < 1537662678 616753 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dependence/dependency/ < 1537662708 613369 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the middle part is that the build order was nondeterministic, and sometimes incorrect, building against the dependency that would have been required, so the compilation either failed or used an old version of the object file < 1537662725 348410 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a clean build it failed, but people are lazy and don't want to wait for a clean build < 1537662733 264040 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clean build took a lot ot fime < 1537662734 968154 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time < 1537662737 516533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this is why I wrote aimake1 < 1537662746 47732 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1537662754 65700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I had this sort of screwup in NH4 and couldn't find it < 1537662761 438033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then I was more productive, a build system only took about 24 hours or so to write < 1537662817 240384 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in *that* case, the problem wasn't the build system, the problem was that whoever configured it worked *around* the build system. there was actually a good practice on how to use the build system, and if they did that, everything would have been easier. but no, they worked it around with custom rules. < 1537662881 100473 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules that made the system worked incorrectly when if they had just used what the build system already provided, almost none of those custom rules would have been necessary, and they could not have forgotten a dependency, because the build system would know it automatically from the other configuration, when they tell the build system what to link < 1537662881 189434 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what, instead of working it around < 1537662904 853659 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the devs doing that were young and had to learn. < 1537662994 194380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a better way might be one program takes from stdin several lines of a format like "file : dependencies : command" and if any of the dependencies are newer or if the file does not exist, execute that command; if the return code is nonzero or if the file still does not exist or still older than some dependencies then it fails. And then you can call it from a shell script with a heredoc. < 1537663005 24348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be better? < 1537663102 325053 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for git, my main trick is an alias called git switch, which calls checkout with a double-dash after the argument so it can only switch to a different HEAD but never do the other thing git checkout does, and also prints the previous HEAD before that < 1537663217 979170 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also have some aliases for (git status -bs "$@") and (git log --topo-order -c --name-status "$@") and (git log --topo-order -c -p "$@") < 1537663237 159170 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for (git diff --staged "$@") < 1537663261 306613 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a few more but those are less generally useful < 1537663325 751593 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I figured out that the git worktree feature is very useful < 1537663399 352875 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVN not providing enough low-level hooks also bothers me. < 1537663463 397454 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One particular example is this, for sparse checkouts. The working tree has a trit of status for every directory checked out, which tells how new files in that directory downstream from the repo will be treated when you update the directory. < 1537663583 172789 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state of that trit can be "infinity" which means that everything will be checked out recursively and every subdirectory will have its state set to "infinity", the "empty" state means that new files won't be checked out on an update, and the "immediates" means that files and subdirectories will be checked out but the contents of those new subdir < 1537663583 350183 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ectories won't and their status will be set "empty". < 1537663599 167402 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's actually a fourth state, "files", but that's irrelevant now.) < 1537663617 125061 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the problem is, with the command-line interface, you can't directly change the state of a directory without side effects. < 1537663679 95555 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use svn up --set-depth=infinity to set the state to infinity, but that has the side effect of checking out every existing file under the directory recursively. If it doesn't have a local copy of such a file yet, then it has to be downloaded. < 1537663694 978678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oops I forgot, if a file itself has dependencies, also check if those dependencies need resolved too) < 1537663759 288596 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can later fix all that by excluding some of the checked out files or setting their depth, in a depth-last order, but you still waste a lot of unnecessary bandwidth and disk space, which defeats one of the main uses of sparse checkouts. < 1537663822 440007 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly but less bad is reducing the state to "empty" or "files", which has the side effect of uncheckouting all the existing files recursively too, except for the immediate children for "files". < 1537663911 340712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, if a filename is in brackets then it is not a real file, but rather is internal and if it believes it can compile and and the command is executed successfully then it is now satisfied, but initially it isn't) < 1537663919 868638 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lowering the state is better than raising, because you can at least check out any files you want again without redownloading, a pristine copy still remains in the cache of the working copy until you run a certain command to clean them up, < 1537663931 571745 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still it's a nuisance because you have to do the checkouts again. < 1537663959 369626 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So setting the states for new files requires you to issue a complicated set of commands recursively for all descendant files in the worst case. < 1537663986 70808 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't yet checked if the C api can do better, I will look, but in at least one other case even the C api was limited. < 1537664051 460187 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it gets much worse if you combine sparse checkout with modules (externals, like git submodule) < 1537664196 768006 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the Incident lexer, if the program is "ab", then is the empty string that occurs three times a token? < 1537664224 258082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no < 1537664231 630731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonempty tokens only < 1537664233 74438 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537664233 163457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever, though < 1537664236 771030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I don't think this could ever matter) < 1537664249 268367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually might it output a few bits? < 1537664289 221385 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1537664299 821354 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does execution start in Incident? which command runs first and what's the state of the stack? > 1537664319 607791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57718&oldid=57693 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (-23) 10 < 1537664321 456578 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I should read the full description in the calesyta submission, not the wiki page < 1537664326 114385 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it tells the complete rules < 1537664335 207200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1537664341 661078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: start of the program; each command has its own stack, initially empty > 1537664399 618476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57719&oldid=57718 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+1) 10 < 1537664415 521361 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does "start of the program" mean? the first command in the source? < 1537664425 716676 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me "start of the program" is tautological < 1537664439 989737 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means however the language starts the program > 1537664445 843247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57720&oldid=57719 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+0) 10 < 1537664455 215802 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be in main in C (though actually it does a few things before main) > 1537664478 352492 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57721&oldid=57720 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+4) 10 > 1537664498 763349 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57722&oldid=57721 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+7) 10 < 1537664597 681798 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this is an esolang. For all I know it could, say, start at some command where the second occurence is close to the third but the first occurance is very far, maybe the command with the highest ratio of distances is taken with some tie-breakers or something. < 1537664605 31594 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting in token occurences of course, not in bytes < 1537664646 436634 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Execution of an Incident program starts with the first command incidence in the sequence of commands that the program was parsed into" < 1537664652 78261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: leftmost end of hte program < 1537664656 540634 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the report) yeah < 1537664658 925753 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it < 1537664676 36769 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language is devilish > 1537664695 233967 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chipish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57723 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+3234) 10Thrown together something quickly, needs some work. < 1537664701 447340 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pity that calesyta disappeared like the bancstar interpreter > 1537664759 504497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chipish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57724&oldid=57723 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-1) 10All better. < 1537665244 738224 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537665281 787591 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you ever wonder if it was your language that they didn't cope with, and that's why they disappeared? or are you more psychologically stable than to even consider that? < 1537665304 557916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: if they can't cope with my languages they shouldn't be running an esolang competition :-D < 1537665322 240367 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1537665639 313570 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me < 1537665673 58702 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you said you're busy, that means you haven't had time to write more than those two pages of the M:tG turing machine construction, right? < 1537665681 859226 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one based on the tournament deck < 1537665688 802091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes < 1537665693 783325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's not based on busyness < 1537665706 29252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much as needing a program as an example and not being sure what to put there < 1537665728 778684 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's missing more than just a program as an example, isn't it? < 1537665730 160838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it should ideally be formally undecidable, and less ideally, something where we don't know what the result is < 1537665736 643641 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537665758 339375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the M:tG tournament rules changed recently, under the new rules the game is infinitely long and players get slow play warnings until they're disqualified < 1537665822 664080 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a golflang. It's getting somewhere. No interpreter yet, but i've defined about 400 of all 1024 instructions, so i'm doing attempts on some codegolf problems to try it out < 1537665891 799307 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I was in my elements in the last few days, trying my hands at manipulation, evil lord style. I don't know if it will be successful, but I sure enjoyed it. I explained about it before you entered the channel. < 1537665903 786584 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: about the turing machine? < 1537665920 341620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machine? < 1537665920 518868 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, ignore that line < 1537665989 612746 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I was golfing SVG. not quite golfing, I can spare a few characters, but I was reducing its size signidicantly while trying to keep the rendered appearance the same at any zoom level in the particular bounding boxes of the views used. < 1537666005 375545 :GoMaD_!~GoMaD_@184.170.59.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537666013 467705 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easy part was removing objects that weren't in the viewports I used. but even then the SVG was too long. < 1537666019 876092 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I did black magic. < 1537666041 748109 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hand-optimized it by replacing some objects with clones and transformed clones of other objects < 1537666049 782225 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recolored clones too < 1537666071 457903 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, colored clones technically, it's cloning an object that inherits the fill from the parent) < 1537666087 110573 :GoMaD_!~GoMaD_@184.170.59.167 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537666087 376799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: I'm making a golflang atm too! < 1537666092 871616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Brachylog but its syntax annoys me so much < 1537666097 921163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm trying to make one that's similar but has a golfier syntax < 1537666102 286238 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1537666108 197220 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE making a golflang? < 1537666119 7898 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have had enough of Jelly? < 1537666120 140758 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1537666128 782587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jelly's fine < 1537666132 530478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not revolutionary < 1537666136 824619 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1537666147 410088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brachylog /is/ revolutionary, or at least, it changed the way I think about programming < 1537666148 270959 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want a revolutionary one? < 1537666157 584259 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to look at Brachylog then < 1537666159 361147 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i decided to use 10-bit instructions, that can potentially take a n-bit constant afterwards. < 1537666171 37689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: I'm using 5/6-bit instructions < 1537666193 911992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's arguable which, the sixth bit is either part of the instruction or part of the context depending on how you view things < 1537666200 539924 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Result, of course, is instructions like these: https://hastebin.com/akesubemen.nginx < 1537666204 87096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brachylog-alikes don't need many instructions < 1537666227 88062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just shows as a blank page in my browser < 1537666232 929170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need JS or something? (for a /pastebin/?) < 1537666237 261025 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, if this isn't something "human-readable" like Jelly or golflang, then why do you even have to use constant number of bits or whole number of bits, rather than arithmetic coding with an optimized frequency table? < 1537666239 235790 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP, leme try a diffrent paste site < 1537666251 977864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it is human-readable < 1537666254 726923 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't tell me you can't write an arithmetic coder and decoder. < 1537666256 289453 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1537666272 138982 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's human-readable with 6-bit commands? for what kind of humans? < 1537666286 653869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans which work on the base64 representation of the source < 1537666288 410844 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sometimes I do strange things like write hex constants < 1537666299 803578 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1537666304 849624 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base64 < 1537666312 935379 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here just have the entire list: https://ptpb.pw/BbXF < 1537666313 290553 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1537666319 847327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one works < 1537666340 360576 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh, it's just a raw text file. Course it works :P < 1537666341 181980 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why does a golflang has to be human-readable? why wouldn't you just use a tool to encode or decode it? < 1537666350 478794 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, That's what i'm doing. < 1537666362 228852 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people already use complicated tool to write C++ code, because they write it so unreadable they couldn't read it otherwise < 1537666362 624767 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably if you allow for such a tool, you might as well just use lzma. < 1537666393 664962 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically they put typos in function names, and then never once notice because they only ever type it once and choose it from some gui autocomplete list the rest of the time < 1537666396 277531 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with obvious typos < 1537666404 249546 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even kidding, those are my ex-colleages < 1537666408 487652 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1537666411 22826 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex-coworkers < 1537666419 302600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe golfing languages have to be human-readable, but if they're close to a human-readable syntax already, may as well go all the way < 1537666434 205958 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least they don't notice until it's too late to change the interface because it's already committed < 1537666452 589126 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yea, mine encodes pretty simply, i haven't settled on short names for the various instructions yet, so this example will have to do: < 1537666465 706946 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like I never make typos, but I type almost every new non-short identifier more than once, or type ones that are already used in the library, and if I make a typo once, then the program won't compile < 1537666466 807301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it does not have to be, but just because it does not have to be does not mean it is not allowed to. < 1537666480 462347 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok < 1537666484 579516 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_Unsigned8bitC 01010000 I_Repeat2DSquareC 01010000 < 1537666503 557477 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An encoder could shorten that slightly to I_Unsigned8bitC010 10100 I_Repeat2DSquareC 01010000 < 1537666505 398244 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think non-eso languages should be human readable, and if you write code for which you need fancy gui tools and syntax highlighters to understand, then you're doing it wrong < 1537666517 385150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: that's 33 bits, right? < 1537666528 820224 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort of understand the opposite view, which says that you can't get naming right and the gui tools help do mass-renaming of identifiers when you got the name wrong, but still < 1537666532 238139 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. 33 bits for a 10x10 square of asterisks > 1537666543 710764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57725&oldid=57722 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+22) 10Further evidence that my edits are correct are at http://www.youswear.com/index.asp?language=Chilean (warning: exactly what you think it is). < 1537666545 998779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering how that compares to other languages < 1537666551 390860 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already checked < 1537666562 69886 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does really well against others on codegolf.stackexchange.com < 1537666565 623252 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, thanks for mentioning this < 1537666575 244064 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO to self: look at brachylog < 1537666578 176223 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really have to leave now < 1537666581 880959 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537666612 88305 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortest i've seen so far that isn't mine is 6 bytes < 1537666629 98589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Jelly that's going to be 6 bytes I think < 1537666631 513706 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which goes to a Pyth answer by orlp) < 1537666637 199755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can't you do it in 5? let me try this < 1537666649 492763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just write C codes with vim and without using the autocomplete and syntax highlighting (actually I am using the syntax highlighting feature of vim, although I am using it not to mark what is what in a C code, but rather to mark trailing spaces, and spaces between tabs, in any file) < 1537666649 581696 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 1/8th bytes for the win < 1537666659 218531 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/3/4/ < 1537666683 899886 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what would a better name for this instruction be: I_Base10League = 384, // Returns the "league" a number is in. I.e. if it's less than 1000 but more than 100, the return value is 100. < 1537666689 814851 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1537666697 641361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, no, because Jelly's "repeat last instruction" repeats the 5, not the "times 5" < 1537666727 87315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: what are the boundaries? 100-999 or 101-1000? < 1537666738 559683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, that's basically just log+floor/ceil+exponentiate < 1537666739 835226 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 to 999 < 1537666789 361727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I think about this sort of thing is that instead of having to come up with all these builtins manually, a language is more expressive if you can build your statements out of individual concepts < 1537666793 800156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on base-10-logarithm, floor" < 1537666820 952180 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i agree. But handpicking can also do quite a bit < 1537666835 897673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like handpicking builtins much, at least not when there are so many < 1537666839 799998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why I hate Mathematica < 1537666852 531454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a very inefficient pattern-matching core language + loads of builtins that do all the real work < 1537666868 519351 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm capped at 1024 builtins. Is that too many for you? :P < 1537666880 419829 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537666883 247657 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly less than what mathematica has haha < 1537666948 111926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goat incident was a good example < 1537666962 597850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone set a challenge "given a photograph of a goat, determine if it's the right way up or upside-down" < 1537666967 806991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out Mathematica had a builtin for it < 1537666976 814166 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_ListSquareNums I_FilterInstanceOf, 2 1/2 bytes, should solve https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/82565/return-the-integers-with-square-digit-sums Yea i saw that < 1537666987 770983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: not quite < 1537666992 259411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about square /digit sums/, not square numbers < 1537666995 893665 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1537666996 332951 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1537667020 961471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to put the whole "sum digits, then test for squareness" inside the filter < 1537667024 691680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you have a good lambda/block syntax < 1537667046 383120 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_SumOfDigits I_ListSquareNums I_FilterInstanceOf 3 3/4 bytes. < 1537667060 698077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the scope of filter-instance-of? < 1537667092 258553 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i do. It's pretty simple bracket tricks. Also, I_FilterInstanceOf is selfcontained. It doesn't need a scope. < 1537667116 166826 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filter function in this case is, well, I_IsInstanceOf < 1537667116 166870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does; suppose your first command there was something vectorisable < 1537667128 211910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say sum-of-digits vectorises < 1537667148 922737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could either have I_SumOfDigits (I_ListSquareNums)I_FilterInstanceOf < 1537667158 517676 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it *is* something vectorizable. That's what sum-of-digits is doing. It's checking if the sum of the digits contains anything from I_ListSquareNums < 1537667159 421999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (I_SumOfDigits I_ListSquareNums)I_FilterInstanceOf < 1537667177 919682 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in this case, it'd be I_SumOfDigits (I_ListSquareNums)I_FilterInstanceOf < 1537667182 103064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former returns the digit sums that are square, the second the numbers that have square digit-sums < 1537667192 804897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter is what this specific challenge is asking for < 1537667204 603702 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confused himself < 1537667215 266103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, see my Brachylog v2 solution, the { } show the range of what's being filtered < 1537667262 547783 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just chose to copy a jelly-like tree structure, with subroutine blocks thrown in for compactness usage. Leme think, i'm confusing myself < 1537667292 577384 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_FilterInstanceOf(I_SumOfDigits, I_ListSquareNums) is how that'd look in C style < 1537667304 251328 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1537667321 884075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that that's not what the problem is asking for < 1537667329 645938 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks < 1537667352 363898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't solve the problem with those specific primitives at all, in fact < 1537667359 950327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're too specific < 1537667361 441168 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa. < 1537667380 299709 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. Leme clear my head and go doublecheck some notes < 1537667492 232792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1537667504 372126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537667541 173203 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I_FilterInstanceOf checks if I_SumOfDigits.result contains any values from I_ListSquareNums (A constant, lazy list). For sake of sanity, I_ListSquareNums has special handling to make sure the check doesn't go on forever. (Marked as organized by size.)\ < 1537667544 360943 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1537667553 385690 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be misunderstanding the problem < 1537667590 157771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, for any list of integers, return each element of the list whose digit-sum is square; don't return the sum, return the original element < 1537667611 923106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, if you convert the list to a list of digit-sums, then filter it, you can't get back at the original list whose elements you summed to make the digit-sum < 1537667616 439582 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1537667637 44912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more precisely, you don't know which of the filtered elements correspond to which elements of the original < 1537667707 18592 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. I_Filter{ I_SumOfDigits I_IsPerfectSquare 0 < 1537667708 999385 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1537667736 30703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1537667737 599916 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_Filter starts a SS, so the { has no overhead, and the program ends before a } would be needed < 1537667744 365844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although what's the 0 for? a typo for }? < 1537667769 44970 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 31 bits. the 0 is there because I_IsPerfectSquare is a dualpurpose function. If that 0 was a 1, it'd act as a filter instead of a check. > 1537667779 112402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57726&oldid=57725 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+60) 10 < 1537667793 557825 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as such, I_IsPerfectSquare is 11 bits, not 10. > 1537667804 810384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57727&oldid=57726 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (-1) 10 < 1537667815 953528 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 7/8 bytes large. Still a really small solution. < 1537667818 780525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I find one of the earlier problems you come across in designing a golfing language so that you can write nontrivial programs in it, is "do filter-like commands filter over several commands, or a single command, by default?" < 1537667841 225525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case you have it as "several", which is fine, but means you need lots of } (or a short representation for it) in the common case where you only have a short blockk < 1537667860 159825 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in my case, it's a mix. Some versions of instructions can function as a } as well < 1537667862 435586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages do the opposite < 1537667873 952762 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I_IsGreaterThanES < 1537667920 496787 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most common check functions have a EL/ES embedded into them :D < 1537667934 42204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the main advantage over most golfing languages you have for this is a) blocks that are extending by default, b) shorter names for these builtins < 1537667951 823422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digit sum and is-square are both 16 bytes in most current-champion golfing languages, rather than 10 < 1537668004 843032 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what do you mean by that. *eyes Jelly's 7 byte solution* < 1537668007 894361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language I'm working on could extend a block around the whole program without using extra bits too; I'm not sure it'll have a 6-bit builtin for select, though, so we might need 12 for that < 1537668011 602744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: err, 16 *bits* < 1537668016 498870 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1537668043 659667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digit sum would be 12, is-square would possibly be 18 < 1537668077 709158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 12+12+18 = 42 bits, so 6 bytes (unless the trailing two bits could be inferred somehow) < 1537668153 979132 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/172586/nightmare-puzzlang-translator inspired me to start making this lang, btw. None of the mainline golf languages had a nice, clean way to handle both wrapping arrays and moore neighbourhood checks. < 1537668221 990305 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537668230 11299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this has made me realise that a "restart" command at the end of the block (to restore its output to equal its input) should treat references to "this block's output" within the block itself as the value /before/ the restart < 1537668242 464383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because if it wanted the value afterwards, it could just use "this blocks' input") < 1537668326 502738 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the input was a boolean matrix, the solution in Lux would be: I_SetWrapping I_MooreTransformSS{ I_Collect I_NumToChar } I_Collect < 1537668369 376975 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_Collect is dualpurpose as well, but it uses type checks instead of a bit se- fuck i just realised an inconsistency < 1537668376 899390 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to make I_CollectBits < 1537668387 799410 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_SetWrapping I_MooreTransformSS{ I_CollectBits I_NumToChar } I_Collect correction :P < 1537668467 130577 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you mean like a stack frame, stack framing was one of the first things i thought about, alongside a stack, for more complicated ops where stack manip is beneficial < 1537668525 91398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brachylog doesn't have anything resembling a stack, that definitely hurts in more complex programs < 1537668547 787440 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some sort of indexable memory would be beneficial too. I have the encode space for it < 1537668578 143850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my recommendation is that you make it indexable via arbitrary objects < 1537668581 537700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like a giant global hash table < 1537668608 47477 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. Only thing it won't be indexable by is lists, because lists technically arn't data < 1537668637 244588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why make an exception for those? < 1537668638 886155 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're their own little thing due to the huge diffrence between lists, and the other types < 1537668673 407606 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thats internal only < 1537668681 194295 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the user they're like the rest of the types < 1537668712 854360 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also indexing by a list is a little silly, and the lang's int type can fit a UUID if you need one. (128bit signed integer) < 1537668763 800200 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like the global hash table idea < 1537668781 622908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to use the hash table for golfing purposes < 1537668798 103617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like my "sort by first occurrence" golfing challenge, the shortest solutions used one < 1537668813 917485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the challenge: given a list, sort the list, where the sort key is "how early the first occurrence of this element appears in the list") < 1537668856 74574 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i know. I can probably make lists function as hash tables when indexed by nonnumbers, which is arguably better < 1537668883 704835 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll function as standard vectors when you don't do that, however, for speed/sanity's sake < 1537668903 907563 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they should be a seperate type. But that means even more special handling code for each instruction < 1537668909 954922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several non-esolangs have array-like structures which you can index by basically anything, and which work like an array when you use numbers < 1537668913 712691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua and PHP, for example > 1537668926 792755 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Oerjan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57728&oldid=54913 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+698) 10 < 1537668931 574662 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1537668935 409569 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll go with that < 1537668962 29729 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how the Wrapping flag would work with hashmaps tho. that's going to be a difficult semantics issue < 1537668990 33546 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When it's set, a 1D list pretends to go on forever, repeating itself, a 2D list wraps in a torus fashion, and so on) < 1537669029 476694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think that language is quite special/amazing enough to be [[Category:Shameful]] < 1537669042 860044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mostly reserved for things that are not just bad, but spectacularly bad, to the point where it becomes something worth preserving < 1537669099 259526 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox pls y u update without asking me < 1537669101 637034 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1537669102 70140 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1537669110 947400 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i was running yay -Syyu in the backround > 1537669113 952608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57729&oldid=57694 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (-254) 10 < 1537669124 222473 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for blaming you, firefox /s < 1537669207 59759 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_Divisors I_Square I_Sum I_IsPerfectSquare 0 solves https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/171943/sum-textsquare2 but 05AB1E beats it by a 8th of a byte ): < 1537669236 705556 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because 05AB1E uses the exact same command sequence :P < 1537669295 887498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the tradeoff between having a few general-purpose builtins and many special-purpose builtins < 1537669324 743609 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1537669333 736348 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :each language has it's advantage < 1537669336 658484 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no right way < 1537669354 47818 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean look at Brainflack of all things, it's pretty good with triangles < 1537669356 487135 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537669488 511788 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1537669825 274921 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Pelirodri14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57730 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+0) 10Created blank page < 1537670057 523108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: here's a problem you should test your language on: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/129596/am-i-divisible-by-double-the-sum-of-my-digits < 1537670081 546264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's the most common sort of problem that requires at least minimal stack discipline < 1537670083 964961 :zamN!~zamN@184.170.56.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537670100 198171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jelly's advantage over other golfing languages, when it's present, mostly comes down to its defaults being highly suited for that sort of porblem > 1537670155 198389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57731&oldid=57729 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+355) 10Replace accidentally deleted content and add unsigned templates < 1537670175 124010 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, leme see how i can do it without adding new builtins < 1537670196 694436 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll see what i can improve < 1537670289 521773 :zamN!~zamN@184.170.56.223 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537670353 2796 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_Duplicate I_SumOfDigits Num_2 I_Multiply I_Swap I_Divisors I_FilterInstanceOf seems closest. < 1537670368 581021 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, doubling a number is a common op, so a I_Double instruction is a good idea. < 1537670440 718086 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_Duplicate I_SumOfDigits I_Double I_Swap I_Divisors I_FilterInstanceOf < 1537670461 810864 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_IsDivisorOf would probably be a nice check/filter to have. < 1537670504 771127 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I_Duplicate I_SumOfDigits I_Double I_IsDivisorOf 0 < 1537670518 998009 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ais523 < 1537670572 872720 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 1/8 bytes. pretty soundly beat by some of the major langs. RIP < 1537670629 374167 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hm. Would making I_SumOfDigits have a nonconsuming version be worth it, or not. < 1537670643 634800 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two ways that can be done. Make an alt instruction, or make it take up an extra bit of space < 1537670667 116640 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_SumOfDigits is pretty uncommon, so it's probably not worh it > 1537670740 310473 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Pelirodri14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57732&oldid=57730 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+247) 10Fine < 1537670773 292688 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why did i use bold instead of italics... < 1537670920 150896 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth machine: I_LoopUntilFalseSS{ I_TeePrint 2 1/2 bytes < 1537671035 823236 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made STDin readable as a stream without thinking about a cat program over 100 instructions ago. Cat program: I_STDin < 1537671038 589583 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implict print >:D < 1537671198 658538 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames to I_STDIO to make it more useful < 1537671397 387003 :broquea12!~broquea@41.238.242.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537671453 428406 :broquea12!~broquea@41.238.242.246 QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1537671684 642556 :TimothyGu3!~TimothyGu@184.170.56.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537672247 988775 :TimothyGu3!~TimothyGu@184.170.56.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537675141 458298 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/70837/say-what-you-see Code: I_Unsigned8bitC100 01100 I_Repeat1In{ I_RunlengthEncode } < 1537675203 662032 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, partial < 1537675299 462324 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code: I_CmdArgs I_CountdownLp2InSS{ I_RunlengthEncode I_TeePrint } should be correct. < 1537675314 628473 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tovsoznlgmkraryc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537675433 175856 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably start actually implementing this :P < 1537677412 895707 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537678475 425262 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537679580 601688 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537681385 517359 :Goldman6020!~Goldman60@141.136.67.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537681555 941309 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537681626 658655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1537681736 340981 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537681884 408746 :Goldman6020!~Goldman60@141.136.67.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537683604 919666 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537683642 426678 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537684330 805326 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537685055 953696 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I_MathOp2Chain, I_MathOp3Chain, and I_MathOp4Chain should be pretty useful. Allows joining up 4 4 function math operations (+ - * /) into one instruction, only using up 6 extra bits (Or 2 extra, in the case of I_MathOp2Chain) < 1537685075 952538 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/4/2, 3, or 4/ < 1537685688 958676 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537685901 379990 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537685955 285990 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlnhzkzgnwzsbthi JOIN :#esoteric < 1537686021 401759 :MiX-MaN18!~MiX-MaN@185.204.165.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537686125 515286 :MiX-MaN18!~MiX-MaN@185.204.165.20 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537686554 988932 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1537686617 944325 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537686828 959792 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537687371 354761 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1537688018 443210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57733&oldid=57727 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+1) 10 < 1537688080 488179 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1537688092 728209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Oerjan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57734&oldid=57728 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (-140) 10 < 1537688166 492644 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537688171 62800 :Ducky^7!~Ducky^@183.142.116.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537688318 316695 :Ducky^7!~Ducky^@183.142.116.27 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537689199 598892 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1537690368 945198 :stickystyle28!~stickysty@156.223.156.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537690465 932106 :stickystyle28!~stickysty@156.223.156.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537694062 517617 :swa_work19!~swa_work@197.46.74.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537694476 301694 :swa_work19!~swa_work@197.46.74.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537694856 705706 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537697821 403525 :jpsharp18!~jpsharp@210.56.89.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537698345 936522 :jpsharp18!~jpsharp@210.56.89.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537698472 81596 :rhbvkleef26!~rhbvkleef@184.170.46.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537698790 603661 :rhbvkleef26!~rhbvkleef@184.170.46.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537701194 174587 :bourbon26!~bourbon@58.82.129.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537701562 270635 :bourbon26!~bourbon@58.82.129.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537702389 503744 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537702427 422180 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537703934 917201 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537703975 770660 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537704186 927797 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537704894 923293 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sxkinpmoynduaqyo JOIN :#esoteric < 1537708644 291767 :nosomebodies!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537710516 398727 :BallChang-CN!~BallChang@184.170.37.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537710755 180954 :nosomebodies!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1537710773 500660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:SynDev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57735&oldid=57703 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+236) 10 < 1537710814 478240 :BallChang-CN!~BallChang@184.170.37.88 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537712184 473383 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1537712801 195793 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did a bit of reworking older parts. I_FrmSquareMtrx2C 0101010001010000 is the new solution for the 10x10 asterisk grid < 1537712821 363029 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a I_NumToChar might be necessary as well < 1537714204 263244 :veeti29!~veeti@125.44.187.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537714260 660451 :veeti29!~veeti@125.44.187.206 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537714367 378300 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537717277 29276 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537717310 66306 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“<ais523> someone set a challenge "given a photograph of a goat, determine if it's the right way up or upside-down"” hmm, that sounds quotable < 1537717499 173866 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> the problem is, for any list of integers, return each element of the list whose digit-sum is square; don't return the sum, return the original element => < 1537717500 256 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an yes. that's why J has the APL repeat primitive (#) which in all these common cases we use as a fork (#~ c) where c is the verb that transforms the number to a bool condition < 1537717598 158489 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only APL calls that operation "compress" becuse it only takes boolean repeat counts, not integers < 1537717613 536923 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab has that too, but with a very bad syntax < 1537717626 206381 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :overloaded with indexing depending on whether the type is an integer or bool < 1537720337 429053 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<moony> Mm. Only thing it won't be indexable by is lists, because lists technically arn't data" => are you making another Q, in which you can index by list but only with special inconvenient syntax, or a Mathematica, where lists flatten into an argument list so they would appear as multiple levels of indexes? < 1537720366 963919 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1537720373 402950 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those both sound awful lol < 1537720399 81438 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the lists arn't data thing was going to be internal only, until i recently figured out a good way to make it function as data < 1537720421 506036 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“<ais523> (the challenge: given a list, sort the list, where the sort key is "how early the first occurrence of this element appears in the list")” => did J win with ([:;</.) ? < 1537720429 192471 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J practically has a builtin for that < 1537720432 660717 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /. builtin < 1537720455 496004 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, J doesn't have a builtin upgoat recognizer < 1537720463 952749 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 500~ commands in my list now. Should i fill all 1024 slots, or should i begin building the interpreter... < 1537720470 133735 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/500/600/ < 1537720507 71417 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: the latter. < 1537720517 746204 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still add commands later, like in blsq < 1537720520 558458 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because i can: I_EngWordLookup is a thing < 1537720538 521204 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 bits for the word, 4 bits for determining punctuation and if it should be uppercase'd < 1537720565 875861 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! is 8 1/2 bytes large. < 1537720582 702339 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: that sounds like Jelly < 1537720595 781995 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, it's similar in both syntax and design. < 1537720606 373115 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you actually have a syntax now? < 1537720609 308091 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1537720610 663563 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some extra goodies < 1537720616 989260 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then definitely build an interpreter < 1537720620 324356 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it similar to blsq? < 1537720625 214263 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, it's postfix, with the occassional prefix < 1537720633 458744 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up blsq < 1537720638 641664 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque < 1537720643 810577 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a golfing language < 1537720659 694648 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but golfers abbreviate its name to blsq < 1537720670 537336 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only I think there's only one golfer who uses it < 1537720686 927655 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe two < 1537720701 907331 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. Also, i'm 100% going to have to write an encoder that converts the human readable format to the encoded format < 1537720708 585620 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq is a stack-based language < 1537720709 250266 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not manually manipulating bits, thank you very much < 1537720713 734668 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a large list of primitives < 1537720730 616094 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: write a decoder too < 1537720734 355896 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, this lang has 2 stacks. And maybe a global hash table, depending on if i decide to heed it < 1537720771 289086 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also aliases for 8 subroutines, and support for 65k of them max. < 1537720786 841051 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: two with or without counting the return stack (the stack of commands to be executed) < 1537720794 865891 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :without < 1537720841 850796 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :first things first: Remember how the hell to use C++'s type system, i've gotten rusty ): < 1537721107 509859 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-bcee80-209.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537721144 873727 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-bcee80-209.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1537721179 261280 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537721410 936652 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<moony> yea, i know. I can probably make lists function as hash tables when indexed by nonnumbers, which is arguably better" => what? like awk or lua? no, don't do that! < 1537721427 238955 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1537721435 695998 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> Lua and PHP, for example" => ah < 1537721465 619071 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have to write my own list implementation anyways, because negative indexes, wrapping, and matrix handling < 1537721644 979100 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Num_2 I_Multiply" => you have 500 primitives and no multiply by 2? < 1537721657 546902 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's what you say in the next line, ok < 1537721690 596440 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: are some of the 500 primitives assigned to the same code and will overload by the type of the top of stack? < 1537721705 762382 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some use the same code, and yes they overload based on type < 1537721732 141671 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a List[Char] and a List[Number] can be treated differently. < 1537721748 572317 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that Char and Number are the same type, the only diffrence is literally just a flag) < 1537721845 690641 :wob_jonas!b03f1880@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.128 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537722219 277868 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :Xukkot > 1537722246 567627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57736&oldid=57733 5* 03B jonas 5* (-1) 10ok, do edit war with oerjan, an admin, if that's what you want < 1537722451 236219 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been 5 years since the esolang wiki last had a new "featured language" < 1537722465 104881 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't we pick something new? :P < 1537722478 359868 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537722589 92344 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1537724664 312023 :Xukkot!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony, I nominate you < 1537724668 604471 :Xukkot!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Funciton < 1537725301 588682 :Xukkot!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537728394 344817 :Kaynato!~Aedile@23.28.151.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537728397 190948 :Kaynato!~Aedile@23.28.151.51 QUIT :Client Quit < 1537729237 978271 :hexa-0!~hexa-@134.236.102.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537729290 174354 :hexa-0!~hexa-@134.236.102.31 QUIT :K-Lined < 1537729986 698570 :LogicAside8!~LogicAsid@180.183.55.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537729995 916180 :LogicAside8!~LogicAsid@180.183.55.119 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537731770 393055 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1537732873 317499 :b10n1k10!~b10n1k@cpe-174-104-19-247.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537732878 963214 :b10n1k10!~b10n1k@cpe-174-104-19-247.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537733665 336170 :aibo17!~aibo@96.30.67.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537734085 391979 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537734089 976757 :aibo17!~aibo@96.30.67.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537735078 709898 :skibo4!~skibo@197.42.224.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537735566 315564 :skibo4!~skibo@197.42.224.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537736053 298358 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537737499 934589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537737961 498868 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537738202 355493 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537738744 128688 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of you know of any esolangs with probabilistic parsing? I'm thinking that would be an interesting idea < 1537738817 168234 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a great probabilistic parsing framework called Parserator which I'm wanting to use more >:) < 1537739193 668442 :welterde16!~welterde@116.126.166.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537739201 506037 :welterde16!~welterde@116.126.166.202 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537739609 369372 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1537739657 475107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-RLE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57737&oldid=25359 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+2744) 10Replace this with a more inclusive description of RLE encodings. > 1537739772 42574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Qwertyu6314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57738&oldid=57717 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+351) 10/* Unused image */ < 1537739788 416797 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1537739954 447632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Qwertyu6314]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57739&oldid=57738 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+2) 10 < 1537740282 783346 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1537740432 707382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a C header file (including documentation) for C Audio Simple Plugin. Let's see if it is good and what stuff should be changed, in order whoever has improvement to do, while it is still the draft version. It is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/casp.h < 1537740693 613588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what mechanism should be used for timing information, how to do wrappers, even if other stuff is necessary or not < 1537741630 336537 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537741831 339211 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537743622 408921 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537743861 396084 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537744076 990093 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537744214 75845 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537744543 827024 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537744661 9321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537745981 121027 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537746124 739894 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537746764 922780 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537747871 148894 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537748074 775366 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537748486 29482 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537749747 297210 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537749986 482579 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537749989 301962 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537750480 733151 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1537750624 212016 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:243e:1c88:fdff:ae5d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537750671 744894 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:6d63:a775:2b8c:7bde JOIN :#esoteric < 1537750968 807249 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:6d63:a775:2b8c:7bde QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537751026 760700 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:6d63:a775:2b8c:7bde JOIN :#esoteric < 1537751757 710189 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1537751823 490161 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537752152 131950 :fullstack11!~fullstack@110.85.184.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537752210 541243 :fullstack11!~fullstack@110.85.184.218 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537752605 970199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02File:787138904.png10]]": Author request > 1537752649 418629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Qwertyu6314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57740&oldid=57739 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+92) 10/* Unused image */ Done < 1537753153 702513 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero > 1537753223 60683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57741&oldid=57736 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10Undo revision 57736 by [[Special:Contributions/B jonas|B jonas]] ([[User talk:B jonas|talk]]) (Let's not make it look like I use sockpuppets after publicly conceding.) < 1537753816 163360 :martinBrown!~martinBro@219-81-226-149.dynamic.tfn.net.tw JOIN :#esoteric < 1537754068 836849 :martinBrown!~martinBro@219-81-226-149.dynamic.tfn.net.tw QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537755053 339262 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537758680 420241 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1537758771 417111 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537760008 796269 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537762118 12979 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlnhzkzgnwzsbthi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537764896 281386 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537765104 464042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up this: instead :: forall f a. Applicative f => a -> a -> Codensity f a; instead a b = Codensity (\f -> f a *> f b); accepting :: forall f a. Alternative f => (a -> Bool) -> Codensity f a -> f a; accepting f (Codensity m) = m (\a -> a <$ guard (f a)); Can stuff like this be found with other names? < 1537765205 713713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, if you have Alternative f then also Alternative (Codensity f).) < 1537765355 627308 :longxia!~longxia@118.217.249.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537765507 861766 :jaurax1!~jaurax@37.45.79.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537765553 994150 :longxia!~longxia@118.217.249.142 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537765560 907913 :jaurax1!~jaurax@37.45.79.209 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537766680 59163 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sxkinpmoynduaqyo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537767603 958156 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537768938 1747 :ddib9!~ddib@95.76.144.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537769064 604359 :ddib9!~ddib@95.76.144.136 QUIT :Excess Flood > 1537769387 301378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57742&oldid=57326 5* 03FSHelix 5* (+0) 10/* x = not x (boolean, logical) */ < 1537769463 911221 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1537771804 533124 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1537774471 682317 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Gabriel 5* 10New user account > 1537774824 651581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57743&oldid=57731 5* 03Gabriel 5* (+398) 10/* Introductions */ < 1537775622 849803 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1537776006 802479 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1537776990 379793 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537779567 582807 :AntiComposite25!~AntiCompo@110.77.199.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537779625 195347 :AntiComposite25!~AntiCompo@110.77.199.108 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537779881 81510 :nabla_c0d3!~nabla_c0d@154.0.64.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537780084 652725 :nabla_c0d3!~nabla_c0d@154.0.64.167 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537780235 342313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dylanbeattie 5* 10New user account < 1537781554 503153 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537782051 933067 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537782271 68205 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone in Europe (except for Iceland, Turkey, Belarus, Russia), don't forget, time zone offset change is on the coming weekend. < 1537782393 328178 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Uh, and whichever parts of the Caucasus you count as Europe, no change there either.) < 1537782405 146745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1537782808 504518 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537783016 742697 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1537783080 63650 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537783193 998460 :mondz!~mondz@2402:800:6126:7155:112f:ec39:6fe1:a2f7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537783346 542590 :mondz!~mondz@2402:800:6126:7155:112f:ec39:6fe1:a2f7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537783705 468395 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1537786080 87674 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric > 1537786216 559978 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57744&oldid=57534 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+167) 10 > 1537788011 489462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57745&oldid=57743 5* 03Dylanbeattie 5* (+260) 10Introduced myself as per instructions. > 1537788469 981172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rockstar14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57746 5* 03Dylanbeattie 5* (+1204) 10Created page with "Rockstar is a dynamically typed Turing-complete programming language designed for creating computer programs that are also song lyrics. Rockstar is heavily influenced by the l..." > 1537788803 258776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rockstar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57747&oldid=57746 5* 03Dylanbeattie 5* (+3387) 10 > 1537788847 122203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rockstar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57748&oldid=57747 5* 03Dylanbeattie 5* (+83) 10/* 'Hello, World' in Rockstar */ > 1537788884 727962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rockstar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57749&oldid=57748 5* 03Dylanbeattie 5* (+0) 10/* Implementations */ < 1537790359 497193 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537791158 688398 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537792984 833927 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iwqjyajutgsiyawm JOIN :#esoteric < 1537794028 483700 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537794267 709609 :qolq!~qolq@183.157.168.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537794279 695472 :qolq!~qolq@183.157.168.92 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537794344 540209 :Guest70821!~CoachMcGu@5.188.172.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537794396 741021 :Guest70821!~CoachMcGu@5.188.172.53 QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1537794682 370733 :bachler20!~bachler@159.20.100.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537794777 124816 :bachler20!~bachler@159.20.100.203 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537795033 64889 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537795156 164813 :mjanssen_!~mjanssen_@190-78-20-32.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537795356 459794 :mjanssen_!~mjanssen_@190-78-20-32.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537796180 787493 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537796209 706142 :Aikar16!~Aikar@1.246.94.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537796413 613828 :Aikar16!~Aikar@1.246.94.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537796564 164065 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pypovcvjgyzteuqv JOIN :#esoteric < 1537796600 533682 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1537797045 316598 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537798349 838172 :glepa14!~glepa@171.250.15.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537798363 774449 :f_tick17!~f_tick@ackl100.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1537798526 20617 :f_tick17!~f_tick@ackl100.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537798615 572950 :glepa14!~glepa@171.250.15.251 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537799221 374965 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537799270 512730 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. The python 3.7 changes docs says that a setting "will become the default in Python 4.0." < 1537799304 144369 :mnmrl!~mnmrl@dhcp-089-098-124-043.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1537799448 390428 :mnmrl!~mnmrl@dhcp-089-098-124-043.chello.nl PART :#esoteric < 1537800695 592037 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: hahaha that's hilarious. That reminds me of a (kind of clueless) professor telling us that we can use either of Python version 3 or version 4 for the course < 1537800717 779580 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty sad that once you've got tenure you can pretty much speak shit and no one cares < 1537800741 212634 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's sort of useful info, it basically tells you not to expect that behavior to be default in python 3.8 or 3.9 < 1537800767 106136 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a setting to enable that behavior in 3.7 and onwards) < 1537800822 69209 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1537800886 185341 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still (in the case of the professor), getting details like that right is super important for new programmers given how much other complicated stuff they are trying to stick in their brain! < 1537800903 298896 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1537800933 27111 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having to doubt/fact-check everything you are taught is a major waste of mental space < 1537800946 237381 :ep100!~max@105.229.116.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what esolangs are you working on wob_jonas ? < 1537801043 891182 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ep100: well, I should eventually implement Consumer Society, write some example programs for it to test the interpreter, and document it. I keep putting it off. I invented the basics of that language over a year ago now. < 1537801447 354204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist 80 < 1537801448 851347 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist 80: boily shachaf < 1537801581 462189 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537801608 977397 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537802065 18907 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537802416 34062 :Arcarcarc!~Arcarcarc@200.8.140.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537802517 661638 :Arcarcarc!~Arcarcarc@200.8.140.222 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537802912 566082 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537804901 889803 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pypovcvjgyzteuqv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537805197 765695 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: 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timeout: 240 seconds < 1537843526 968026 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537844501 387746 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cntamscxkjjnbqls QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537844652 846820 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537845254 798983 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-bcee80-209.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1537845874 492748 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1537845890 15790 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537846322 289258 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<wob_jonas> Everyone in Europe (except for Iceland, Turkey, Belarus, Russia), don't forget, time zone offset change is on the coming weekend. <-- [citation needed] or you're off by a month. < 1537846374 884665 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas <wob_jonas> Everyone in Europe (except for Iceland, Turkey, Belarus, Russia), don't forget, time zone offset change is on the coming weekend. <-- [citation needed] or you're off by a month. < 1537846375 192126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1537846619 975707 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537847763 774221 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537848600 878685 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1537849132 483420 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-bcee80-209.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1537851528 997930 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537852816 145381 :g4k11!~g4k@200.71.91.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537853266 301056 :g4k11!~g4k@200.71.91.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537853728 822615 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537853777 330364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN 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QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537862044 724747 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537863619 905593 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1537863747 354005 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wxgrofsuwivwtraf JOIN :#esoteric < 1537863758 425026 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-aitqnomkwhipyiwk JOIN :#esoteric < 1537863797 583642 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537866921 482335 :lobocode!~lobocode@188-230-156-137.dynamic.t-2.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537867214 566949 :lobocode!~lobocode@188-230-156-137.dynamic.t-2.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537867463 68045 :Blkt23!~Blkt@134.236.76.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537867715 262832 :Blkt23!~Blkt@134.236.76.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537869179 330331 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537872645 366041 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1537872938 285369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chipish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57760&oldid=57724 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+12050) 10Put everything in tables, changes a few things, added timers and such. > 1537873447 631624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chipish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57761&oldid=57760 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+1) 10/* Timers */ < 1537873767 372978 :dazm8!~dazm@89.107.100.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537874038 467761 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid bjam, why did we need a fourth build system intertwined with perl scripts, shell scripts, and makefiles < 1537874050 989815 :dazm8!~dazm@89.107.100.11 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537874056 306667 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the worst one of all < 1537874071 451139 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I can read perl > 1537874092 890849 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chipish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57762&oldid=57761 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+1664) 10Added code tags for monospacing < 1537874103 735814 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else are you going to build Forth programs < 1537874104 782439 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjam has a confusing syntax and no documentation worth a damn < 1537874139 148669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is brute Forth an option? < 1537874162 185704 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I would assume you'd build Forth programs with some sort of Reverse Polish Shell < 1537874169 32574 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :repsh < 1537874192 335850 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, porsh < 1537874234 384942 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rf- rm < 1537874257 182521 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : / rf- rm sudo < 1537874373 494287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; { : | : } ( ) : < 1537874612 496144 :tonymke7!~tonymke@116.58.236.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537874685 922751 :tonymke7!~tonymke@116.58.236.49 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537876184 677660 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537876637 106530 :Gorian6!~Gorian@softbank126028167228.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537876646 252631 :Gorian6!~Gorian@softbank126028167228.bbtec.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537876915 106452 :Techman27!~Techman@182.123.142.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537876968 369678 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537876973 680005 :Techman27!~Techman@182.123.142.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537878359 305616 :imcdona17!~imcdona@171.232.160.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537878404 251798 :imcdona17!~imcdona@171.232.160.106 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537878940 342167 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-erkjuugbrxantpko JOIN :#esoteric < 1537879895 762930 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537880415 404479 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537880431 788876 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537880463 538213 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: darn, you're right. no timezone offset change this weekend yet. Taneb: sorry, false alarm. < 1537880485 71487 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to make my own fucking calendar webpage, one that shows both month numbers and month names. I hate how I always have to convert them in my head. < 1537880531 492365 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't everyone use month numbers in proper numerals, rather than all these stupid multilingual month names and month name abbreviations (and sometimes roman numerals for month numbers) < 1537880541 49421 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1537880568 34874 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why can't I just have a calendar that displays both the month number and the name without me having to make one? < 1537880920 119647 :ideopathic!~ideopathi@78.167.164.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537880924 731558 :ideopathic!~ideopathi@78.167.164.54 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537881176 97366 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hcxluhvnetjvybhl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537881577 558411 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, that's a relief < 1537881833 771755 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537883292 831431 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric < 1537883592 325139 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537883772 431536 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not that complicated, for many months the number is right there in the name < 1537883912 266646 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: there's certainly *a* number right there in the name < 1537884169 170247 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: It gets worse because I sometimes see month names in various different languages, plus month abbreviations, plus day of week names, plus day of week abbreviations, and there's multiple languages of each and sometimes there's more than one per language and sometimes they clash or the localization databases have long-standing errors tha < 1537884169 388449 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t you can't fix without upgrading libc and upgrading libc is very hard < 1537884174 676003 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it all gets complicated < 1537884214 104362 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be so much simpler if everyone just stick to numbers and proper formatting < 1537884224 569156 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're slowly winning space in that area < 1537884310 336426 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old generation with their fancy 12 hour clocks with IIII on them is disappearing, people use mobile phones that show proper %H:%M time < 1537884335 956698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proper" < 1537884345 409521 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vendémiaire is a name full of such rich associations that it would be a shame to swap it out for a plain boring number < 1537884401 216360 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, we still have the asctime function and funny defaults for the unix date and ls commands, which we can't replace for historical compatibility reasons, but we can just avoid using those defaults < 1537884547 781115 :jwmaag9!~jwmaag@41.45.71.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537884583 443844 :jwmaag9!~jwmaag@41.45.71.173 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537884689 582884 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, ancient unix ran on one machine with one timezone and the clock covered only a few years, so they set the default format to like Tuesday, September 25 16:09:31 and then it was too late to change that part when they added a year number, the format for asctime became like Tuesday, September 25 16:09:31 2018 (with the date number space-padd < 1537884689 760258 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed but the weekday name and month name variable length), < 1537884807 220743 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they thought they should add timezones too, and the format became like September 25 16:09:31 CEDT 2018 with a timezone abbreviation that is ambiguous, < 1537884890 32754 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next step is adding an unambiguous timezone identifier, a DST flag, a timezone offset in case the receiving end has an older timezone database, and subsecond precision, but thrown them in at random places in those pieces of data so you get a jumbled mess < 1537884906 858057 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we could just use metric time < 1537884985 372873 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :September (Europe/Paris) 25 DST=1 16:09:31 CEDT 2018 .332922367 +0200 < 1537885009 716017 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I forgot the Tuesday < 1537885014 165985 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, replace the day with the hectokilosecond and the week with the megasecond < 1537885024 284011 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuesday, September (Europe/Paris) 25 DST=1 16:09:31 CEDT 2018 .332922367 +0200 < 1537885116 881549 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all HTTP clients and mail/news readers and FTP clients have to read this sort of format, and while at least there's only one format used for HTTP, there's multiple used in mail/news headers < 1537885160 68282 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the HTTP cache control all depends on stupid historical things like that < 1537885211 926240 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when we don't have to be compatible with all protocols, but design new ones, then we can use sane formats at least < 1537885217 692328 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for protocols they should just be useing integers < 1537885231 592125 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: sure, newer protocols are saner < 1537885259 753850 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP and mail/news are just old formats, and it's not worth to change this now, because everyone already implements that one format for HTTP so it would be just a new compatibility problem < 1537885323 598072 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei < 1537885324 534273 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dateu < 1537885324 710609 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018-09-25 14:22:03.942171888+00:00 < 1537885325 730091 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018-09-25 14:22:05.012416556+00:00 < 1537885329 118850 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ these use saner formats < 1537885369 936702 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to be compatible with HTTP, they're for me to read < 1537886337 311273 :Janhouse28!~Janhouse@190.200.56.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537886584 188793 :Janhouse28!~Janhouse@190.200.56.142 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537886680 896863 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537887025 890761 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537887119 893822 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bowsette is a stupid name, at least call her Princess Bowser or something < 1537887214 951778 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537888634 526220 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537888764 991095 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537889275 448619 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537890292 941626 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main feature of svn over git is sequential commit numbers < 1537890346 699681 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a way for git to renumber the commits to sequential numbers when they get sent to the server < 1537890372 130233 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: could you just use hg for that? < 1537890454 52630 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the numbers are only consistent within one repository, just like in svn, and sometimes you clone or mirror a repository with modifications like throwing away some commits or unifying two repositories or whatever, and then the sequence numbers are rearranged < 1537890495 670493 :mattwb!~mattwb@93.183.225.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537890673 322607 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's just much more convenient in email for example to say "I caused the build to fail in revision 25502" than "I caused the build to fail starting at j24hwtfbbq" < 1537890745 930341 :mattwb!~mattwb@93.183.225.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537890766 199390 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: sure, and if you have a central server agreed on and that commit you're talking about is there, then that works and you can send such emails. that's why hg provides both sequential numbers and hash digests. < 1537890805 618304 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a centeral hg repository where you never change history, that works, after you commit into that. < 1537890912 331980 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note though that in that it might technically still need a branch name (unless you never commit to the same branch twice), and in git or svn or hg if you have a branch of which you never rewrite the history, you can use a timestamp to identify the commit, and all three have an easy way to find the latest commit before a date and a branch name < 1537891096 296166 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537891230 590641 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sadly it's not _that_ easy < 1537891482 983477 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use (-r "{2018-09-25T12:55:49}") as an argumen to svn for such a date, it will find the previous commit, because the commit is actually slightly after that time, at 2018-09-25T10:55:48.763811Z, but you mostly see it rounded down and in _your_ timezone. < 1537891501 778649 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So dates aren't such a good way to identify commits in emails after all < 1537891505 569163 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1537891574 151052 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say -r "{2018-09-25T10:55:48.763811Z}" that actually finds that commit, not the previous commit, interestingly < 1537891602 257728 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but giving a full precision date or manually rounding up is not very convenient for an email < 1537891655 480256 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, you could probably implement some sort of sequential numbers in git that remain unchanged unless you rewrite the history < 1537891762 521112 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just not committing anything that causes the build to fail isn't enough, because then you still have to write emails like "You caused the build to fail starting at <some version control thing>" when somebody else does that < 1537891795 71295 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you'd be more specific in the email, telling what kind of failure you get < 1537892090 579780 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client > 1537893726 918127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07\ () /14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57763&oldid=57759 5* 03Ais523 5* (+31) 10{{DISPLAYTITLE}} < 1537895590 793961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1537895590 970394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1537895590 970437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537895642 766282 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1537897049 246663 :haveo14!~haveo@156.195.166.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537897104 115001 :haveo14!~haveo@156.195.166.120 QUIT 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:Remote host closed the connection < 1537953810 226568 :Mony26!~Mony@cpc83561-brig19-2-0-cust1427.3-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537953958 24123 :papa_lazzarou!~papa_lazz@2001:1284:f015:d7df:ca8d:83ff:fe4d:5707 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537954013 316612 :Mony26!~Mony@cpc83561-brig19-2-0-cust1427.3-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537954175 205551 :ft12!~ft@58.122.13.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537954247 539430 :uptick28!~uptick@softbank126124072232.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537954268 677149 :ft12!~ft@58.122.13.148 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537954270 790089 :uptick28!~uptick@softbank126124072232.bbtec.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537954326 982905 :papa_lazzarou!~papa_lazz@2001:1284:f015:d7df:ca8d:83ff:fe4d:5707 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537954369 373864 :ooboyle!~ooboyle@78.154.139.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537954448 529313 :ooboyle!~ooboyle@78.154.139.216 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537955375 380521 :metsjeesus23!~metsjeesu@211.205.156.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537955527 778944 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537955620 598140 :metsjeesus23!~metsjeesu@211.205.156.156 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537955629 239000 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, your spambots suck at collecting personal data. I clearly tell everywhere that I live in Europe, yet you send me scam emails about my card at "Bank of America". < 1537955695 669653 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You undermine the good work of other spammers who send much more believable scam emails, thus making people more wary of those scams. < 1537955701 442317 :atouk!~atouk@1.54.242.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537955710 848471 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such irresponsible and uncooperative behavior. < 1537955816 944347 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537955877 821971 :SDyroff19!~SDyroff@59.7.165.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537955928 622730 :atouk!~atouk@1.54.242.216 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537955964 371129 :Deltanic21!~Deltanic@ip72-216-5-63.pn.at.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537955983 791079 :SDyroff19!~SDyroff@59.7.165.139 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537956158 68427 :Deltanic21!~Deltanic@ip72-216-5-63.pn.at.cox.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537956251 420434 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537956355 575198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I've been told in the past that the outrageously bad spam are to filter out people who are good at picking up on small details that'd waste the spammers time by realising something later on < 1537956375 7824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you target people who don't spot obvious things, they're not going to spot the subtle things later on < 1537956528 362665 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537956723 607500 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sure, that's true for many spam, like the badly translated ones that tell me that a bank in Hungary or some other big infrastructure company with which I likely have an affiliation with have sent me a message, and contain a link to a webpage other than the bank's or whatever. Perhaps even the "American uncle left huge inheritance and you mig < 1537956723 827873 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ht be a relative" and "you won the Microsoft lottery" spam is like that. But why would anyone naive in Hungary believe that they've got a Bank of America credit card? < 1537956740 504472 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do those gullible people even speak enough English to understand what that message means? < 1537956801 270447 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might just be a very wide net < 1537956806 911914 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see! < 1537956815 366375 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than targetted spam < 1537956826 728455 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "I've got a big list of email addresses, let's send this to all of them" < 1537956842 659211 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my mistake. Checking the specifics, it is about inheritence from an American uncle, the Bank of Americac card is just a method of payment from them. < 1537956853 811811 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that makes it somewhat better. < 1537956898 785052 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"information we received today from the United Nation and the Brutish government and also the FBI, They ordered us to pay you your Inheritance payment of $10 million through ATM card delivery, and the UN government and the FBI are compensating you with this full amount of $10 million U.S D via ATM card, Because you were found in the list of scam v < 1537956898 962796 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ictim" < 1537956900 891604 :Byteflux22!~Byteflux@211.228.89.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537956906 277665 :Byteflux22!~Byteflux@211.228.89.113 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537956911 343657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a text the other day saying that someone's requested to take over my phone line. I'm fairly sure this is spam, but it almost had me convinced < 1537957005 7375 :Guest67354!~Pip@41.69.15.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537957028 249770 :SotK7!~SotK@92.44.132.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537957062 735618 :Guest67354!~Pip@41.69.15.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537957092 929076 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess even Bank of America offering an "ATM card" wouldn't be implausible itself, because these days even in Hungary they copied the American model of a lot of stores affiliated with banks offer you free credit cards, and there are so many banks with foreign ownership that "Bank of America" wouldn't be such a bad name for a hypothetical bank < 1537957093 61334 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that operates in Hungary. < 1537957100 370317 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a "Bank of China" or something here. < 1537957112 901621 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check. < 1537957195 321792 :sztelke11!~sztelke@175.194.244.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537957198 495825 :SotK7!~SotK@92.44.132.60 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537957221 426924 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537957224 455400 :sztelke11!~sztelke@175.194.244.236 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537957335 335759 :fbs20!~fbs@85.109.145.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537957445 546792 :fbs20!~fbs@85.109.145.226 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537957477 164289 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, there's a bank in Hungary called "Bank of China (Hungária) Hitelintézet Zártkörűen Működő Részvénytársaság" on the MNB's list < 1537957509 520435 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"https://intezmenykereso.mnb.hu/Details/Index?LId=4881&EntityType=Institute&expandAccordions=IntezmenyAlapadatok" < 1537957538 547289 :cinnamntig3r_!~cinnamnti@udp260202uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537957647 942564 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No bank or similar with "America" in its name yet in Hungary, but it is plausible. < 1537957701 541275 :cinnamntig3r_!~cinnamnti@udp260202uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537957721 469818 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I retract my comment, it's less silly than I thought, though it is indeed one of those spams with the details so obviously wrong that only the stupidest person would fall for it. I've seen *much* more believable scams. < 1537958308 468197 :johnLate1!~johnLate@125.133.13.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537958499 794176 :johnLate1!~johnLate@125.133.13.9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537958967 372475 :hahuang6516!~hahuang65@pppoe77-82-196-162.kamchatka.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1537959001 175720 :Alina-malina28!~Alina-mal@39.122.105.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537959100 640757 :hahuang6516!~hahuang65@pppoe77-82-196-162.kamchatka.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537959128 546726 :Alina-malina28!~Alina-mal@39.122.105.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537959239 87496 :Tobin24!~Tobin@190-77-233-215.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537959302 235440 :Tobin24!~Tobin@190-77-233-215.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537959527 528798 :engblom10!~engblom@212.13.11.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537959682 104254 :engblom10!~engblom@212.13.11.99 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537960175 793054 :NanoSector13!~NanoSecto@host-89-241-230-39.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537960362 370135 :NanoSector13!~NanoSecto@host-89-241-230-39.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537960712 745895 :Kulgur!~Kulgur@222.102.130.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537960854 182018 :Kulgur!~Kulgur@222.102.130.230 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537960921 624263 :Phixyn23!~Phixyn@211.199.50.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537961153 207906 :Phixyn23!~Phixyn@211.199.50.185 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537961369 485733 :plett4!~plett@39.122.165.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537961404 14030 :plett4!~plett@39.122.165.68 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537961557 663533 :markus11893!~markus118@pool-96-241-186-70.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537961678 439522 :kragacles7!~kragacles@59.2.96.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537961754 774398 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1537961805 596468 :markus11893!~markus118@pool-96-241-186-70.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537961958 574381 :kragacles7!~kragacles@59.2.96.163 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537962366 492333 :nydel28!~nydel@221.159.79.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537962529 574020 :nydel28!~nydel@221.159.79.102 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537962808 207047 :ari_____!~ari_____@KD175134063027.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537962914 345771 :ari_____!~ari_____@KD175134063027.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537963008 307052 :blotus!~blotus@112.158.228.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537963049 609419 :funabashi2!~funabashi@190.75.104.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537963131 581043 :blotus!~blotus@112.158.228.189 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537963276 9357 :conspb18!~conspb@221.142.254.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537963305 495725 :conspb18!~conspb@221.142.254.52 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537963554 835366 :funabashi2!~funabashi@190.75.104.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537963815 769635 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537964045 163930 :aeronotix10!~aeronotix@softbank126013051158.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537964166 593366 :aeronotix10!~aeronotix@softbank126013051158.bbtec.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537964184 763479 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537964224 363513 :Azrael_-2!~Azrael_-@211.225.115.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537964274 198422 :Azrael_-2!~Azrael_-@211.225.115.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537964298 675508 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Client Quit < 1537964352 933366 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537964370 23377 :theo20!~theo@125.161.82.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537964431 412350 :theo20!~theo@125.161.82.148 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537965217 147882 :djabadu!~djabadu@230.red-95-123-141.staticip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537965244 341950 :djabadu!~djabadu@230.red-95-123-141.staticip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537965807 239068 :petterw15!~petterw@184.170.2.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537966063 137870 :petterw15!~petterw@184.170.2.184 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537966395 582736 :filcab11!~filcab@119.62.32.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537966500 266103 :marmistrz!~marmistrz@121.150.21.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537966507 710498 :filcab11!~filcab@119.62.32.226 QUIT :K-Lined < 1537966567 990726 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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So in Firefox, I can get the annoying Pocket menu items and buttons go away by setting extensions.pocket.enabled to false in about:config < 1537971846 95467 :Kirjava25!~Kirjava@220.120.207.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537971879 594399 :lob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The menu item was even picking up the wrong UI localization setting, so it was a menu item named in Hungarian in a menu where most other items are English. I'm sort of used to English question with "Igen" and "Nem" button message boxes from older Windows, but still. < 1537972028 572301 :Kirjava25!~Kirjava@220.120.207.156 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537972294 476479 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537972330 759628 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537972378 793893 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537972500 443841 :Guest56868!~Guest5686@151.243.125.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537972554 870059 :Guest56868!~Guest5686@151.243.125.112 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537972755 181154 :mpickering3!~mpickerin@183.104.78.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537972843 115374 :kradalby5!~kradalby@36.73.84.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537972955 234046 :mpickering3!~mpickerin@183.104.78.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537972992 489812 :kradalby5!~kradalby@36.73.84.20 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537973136 911728 :Syfaro23!~Syfaro@186-93-147-102.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537973139 487686 :darthThorik16!~darthThor@121.189.242.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537973234 66751 :Syfaro23!~Syfaro@186-93-147-102.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537973350 972248 :darthThorik16!~darthThor@121.189.242.20 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537973427 915637 :flarunt2!~flarunt@27.213.57.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537973522 536354 :flarunt2!~flarunt@27.213.57.95 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537973569 291908 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyybjmjqvrqfnfsl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537974244 867431 :saapa!~saapa@188.247.209.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537974350 90966 :saapa!~saapa@188.247.209.46 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537974696 638570 :brenns1021!~brenns10@114.205.213.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537974800 608913 :brenns1021!~brenns10@114.205.213.120 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537974851 727421 :enzuru!~enzuru@220.117.89.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537974902 958010 :enzuru!~enzuru@220.117.89.39 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537974948 40800 :CEnnis911!~CEnnis91@211.194.206.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975152 866195 :CEnnis911!~CEnnis91@211.194.206.228 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537975209 392693 :holgersson19!~holgersso@mx-ll-27.130.221-205.dynamic.3bb.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975594 773638 :holgersson19!~holgersso@mx-ll-27.130.221-205.dynamic.3bb.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537975641 340136 :schout-it19!~schout-it@190-205-66-46.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975651 366658 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975699 761085 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537975715 388687 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975800 513812 :pranz2!~pranz2@catv-176-63-130-229.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975848 12496 :schout-it19!~schout-it@190-205-66-46.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537975913 829539 :canta6!~canta@119.192.126.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975932 253031 :Gaasmann7!~Gaasmann@145.129.105.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537975996 491187 :canta6!~canta@119.192.126.91 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537976012 4427 :Gaasmann7!~Gaasmann@145.129.105.58 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537976015 706167 :pranz2!~pranz2@catv-176-63-130-229.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537976197 68126 :lob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip of the day. How to easily make short URLs a page (eg. with a long title)on a Mediawiki wiki? Look at the long inline javascript near the start of the page. Find the part that looks like ',"wgArticleId":9270,'. Take the number from it. Make an url like "https://esolangs.org/w?curid=9270" or "https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/?curid=43455817" with < 1537976197 198439 :lob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same number in the curid parameter. < 1537976202 322 :lob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not the only possible method, and might fail on some Mediawiki instances, so I know some fallbacks, but it works on enough that I've used it several times. Useful on IRC and other media where the length of messages including URLs is limited, or with esolangs that have deliberately esoteric names. As a bonus, this sort of URL doesn't even re < 1537976202 89264 :lob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :direct to an URL with a long title in it. < 1537976499 782205 :jasonvw12!~jasonvw@67.71.196.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537976692 833410 :jasonvw12!~jasonvw@67.71.196.42 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537977071 595412 :pigsalsa!~pigsalsa@183.97.128.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537977207 127246 :lob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537977266 983764 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537977464 971792 :pigsalsa!~pigsalsa@183.97.128.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537977803 185938 :korozion8!~korozion@ppp-124-121-241-65.revip2.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1537977827 466040 :korozion8!~korozion@ppp-124-121-241-65.revip2.asianet.co.th QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 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< 1537987018 378133 :relidy13!~relidy@ppp37-60-210-26.tis-dialog.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537987095 198422 :mmmonk23!~mmmonk@2.120.150.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537987097 733884 :jesyspa9!~jesyspa@59.5.226.252 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537987125 334616 :ioudas^working!~ioudas^wo@121.132.97.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537987250 793739 :ioudas^working!~ioudas^wo@121.132.97.107 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1537987300 815113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Andrew333514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57771&oldid=57422 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+69) 10 < 1537987378 381926 :mmmonk23!~mmmonk@2.120.150.215 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537987428 169868 :greenbagels27!~greenbage@41.250.215.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537987559 462069 :okamis!~okamis@cpe-74-130-10-119.kya.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537987560 190699 :okamis!~okamis@cpe-74-130-10-119.kya.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537987676 137898 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They are hard to get into. < 1537994054 519872 :violeta15!~violeta@46.172.195.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537994204 157792 :violeta15!~violeta@46.172.195.79 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537995159 436141 :plusky19!~plusky@181.51.255.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537995385 914888 :plusky19!~plusky@181.51.255.223 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537995989 326831 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537996017 468128 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@140.160.182.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537996028 386392 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537996991 862407 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537997101 537891 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In X11, when I kill firefox, sometimes icewm (the window manager) gets confused and thinks that firefox's windows are still present, and will draw window decoration for them and allow all the wm interactive functionality on them. I can fix that by restarting icewm, which has almost no side effects. I don't know if the problem is in icewm, X11, or f < 1537997101 715232 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irefox. < 1537997110 831402 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537997125 418138 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537997155 760491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not all three hth < 1537997159 554188 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how restarting the wm can be so smooth in X11. Icewm even knows afterwards which virtual desktop each window is on. I wonder if X11 supports that specifically somehow. < 1537997174 633346 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: icewm definitely has other cases when it gets confused and I have to restart it, so it's easy to blame. < 1537997214 94480 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can also blame firefox because I definitely have to kill it often, at least on this machine that has too little RAM (and also too slow ram and too few CPU and GPU capacity). < 1537997289 877563 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have problems on firefox with more modern hosts, but it's much worse on my old home machine, mostly either because it wants to allocate too much RAM, and because I play streamed videos. < 1537997431 866636 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for videos, I'd like to note that both on this machine and on higher performance machines, I sometimes see cases when there's a very high quality video that VLC has much more trouble playing than ffmpeg. I think that's mostly because ffmpeg is better at decoding _some_ of the video and rendering it smoothly when it doesn't have enough performanc < 1537997432 41814 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e available to render all the data in there. < 1537997453 402829 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@140.160.182.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537997476 431472 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For such videos, VLC usually just gets stuck at a frame (or before the first frame) and doesn't display anything new after that (sound can still play). < 1537997526 449185 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the real solution in such cases is to re-encode the video to much lower quality, which is slower than real time. < 1537997528 980295 :lisac4!~lisac@ntsitm546201.sitm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537997622 454030 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@140.160.182.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537997698 481708 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much lower video quality at least. I rarely meet audio streams in videos that are too high quality to play, even on the slow home machine. < 1537997735 521084 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have met high quality video with audio that's hard to play because it has channels for more than two speakers, and the player plays only the sound of two speakers, but there's important sounds that are audible only on some of the other speakers. < 1537997810 156425 :lisac4!~lisac@ntsitm546201.sitm.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537997816 778180 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it's still possible to re-encode or play that correctly, but I don't know how to figure out the right options for that. I worked with video but not audio, so I know almost nothing about handling it with software. < 1537997830 63568 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/but not audio/but not with audio/ < 1537997884 513344 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, I handled videos, including invoking video encoders and decoder software, in my previous job. < 1537997950 790811 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written my own encoder or decoder (as in a codec itself, as opposed to a wrapper), but I might try to write a toy image encoder and decoder at some point. < 1537998003 360619 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@140.160.182.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537998230 145361 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537998501 857366 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537998534 745616 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537998681 941724 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537998695 647967 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537999255 890113 :jms1989!~jms1989@201.209.126.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537999277 668510 :jms1989!~jms1989@201.209.126.231 QUIT :K-Lined < 1537999734 968085 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538000820 545022 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538000822 405809 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: HELLORCAH! < 1538000997 737741 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1538001019 4801 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538001308 650524 :winny2!~winny@i53879D95.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538001494 227726 :winny2!~winny@i53879D95.versanet.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1538001795 250185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Salpynx 5* 10New user account < 1538001910 826344 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538001945 457389 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538001960 885852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538002366 380054 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538002379 25054 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538003490 198640 :oh1db13!~oh1db@180.241.239.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538003491 386513 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wxgrofsuwivwtraf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1538003528 457444 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-aitqnomkwhipyiwk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1538003829 398181 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538003834 796459 :oh1db13!~oh1db@180.241.239.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1538004369 846448 :flavio|4!~flavio|@190-37-77-171.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538004466 325353 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1538004645 464012 :flavio|4!~flavio|@190-37-77-171.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538004860 880435 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ibngcfzjkidgdste JOIN :#esoteric < 1538004863 354195 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qyejmgonlbrlgbgw JOIN :#esoteric < 1538005160 59336 :|woody|3!~|woody|@FL1-122-134-171-161.stm.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538005164 613959 :|woody|3!~|woody|@FL1-122-134-171-161.stm.mesh.ad.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538005279 850976 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538005314 21878 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538005363 59095 :omnidan17!~omnidan@125.132.4.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538005593 303364 :benjamin22!~benjamin@211.184.172.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538005609 293045 :benjamin22!~benjamin@211.184.172.199 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538005668 425378 :Thorn7!~Thorn@CPEac202e05c3d3-CMac202e05c3d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538005690 122474 :violet2!~violet@181.61.78.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538005734 678177 :violet2!~violet@181.61.78.239 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538005768 291831 :omnidan17!~omnidan@125.132.4.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1538005853 795628 :Thorn7!~Thorn@CPEac202e05c3d3-CMac202e05c3d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538006306 293165 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538006852 370585 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538007012 284059 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, this stupid cycle, when I add disinfectant liquid (iodine-based) to the wounds on my hand, then I try to wash (with warm water) the liquid from the parts of the skin where it's not needed (it has some side effects), then add disinfectant liquid again to the wounds where it accidentally washed off (warm water solves it really well, and both wa < 1538007012 414473 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ter and the disinfectant can spread out on my hand so they're hard to localize), then wash it off again. < 1538007119 159035 :wob_jonas!b03f1886@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.134 QUIT :Client Quit < 1538007944 247958 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1538007945 596900 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1538007961 9197 :gurmble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1538008227 725728 :plopix21!~plopix@ip70-160-230-34.hr.hr.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538008337 751008 :plopix21!~plopix@ip70-160-230-34.hr.hr.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538008606 541373 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: Freenode looks forward to seeing you at the freenode #live conference, in Bristol on November 3rd and 4th. 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1538041302 897837 :pinaraf23!~pinaraf@190-201-184-13.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1538041452 839174 :rawtaz2!~rawtaz@ppp31-192-139-27.tis-dialog.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1538041465 591821 :rawtaz2!~rawtaz@ppp31-192-139-27.tis-dialog.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538041986 890304 :ph0b0s_16!~ph0b0s_@27.4.86.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538042082 66444 :ph0b0s_16!~ph0b0s_@27.4.86.50 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538042094 39116 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Magyar Tudományos Akadémia I. Nyelv- és Irodalomtudományok Osztálya (Hungarian Academy of Sciences, I. Section of Linguistics and Literary Scholarship) weren't such a collective holy paladins trying to uphold the rules they extrapolate from tradition, despite that the extrapolation is chaotic and their choices often have no reason. < 1538042664 966109 :koshii12!~koshii@49.142.17.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538042724 103073 :koshii12!~koshii@49.142.17.210 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538043191 731378 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have much power on language use, because most people just ignore their rules, but they do control the Hungarian part of allowing giving names to people in official IDs. They insist that a name can only be used as a Hungarian given name if it is either unambiguously male name or unambiguously female name, despite that they already have pr < 1538043191 863766 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecedents that go against this, namely "Abigél" as a female given name when "Abigail" is used as both male and female elsewhere. < 1538043444 434934 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are we supposed to slowly erode the stupid traditional distinction of male and female given names (with a much worse choice in female give names too) if they insist on that, and we have to use one of the several loopholes nominally involving foreign cultures or foreign countries to put other given names in our ID cards? < 1538043581 487774 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, MTA I. 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The president of Kazahstan has declared that their country will urgently start using a latin letter alphabet for writing the kazak language, and he has announced three alphabets so far, in 2017-09, 2017-10, and 2018-02 respectively, each of the three different from each other and every latin writing or transcription used < 1538050259 983184 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for the kazak language before, and apparently each time with not enough details to figure out the correct writing of every word. < 1538050426 340288 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1538050589 244851 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even apart from what the poor schoolchildren have to endure if the change of writing system is actually carried out in the impossibly fast pace like the president suggests, I wonder if the President at least personally went and queued in the local government office to get new ID papers with his middle name written with a starting Ә, Ae, Aʼ, and Á r < 1538050589 377152 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :espectively. < 1538050664 321827 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, to serve as a good example for his people, like communist dictators should do. < 1538050885 320491 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that sucks. My snarky comment after the 2017-10 about Orwell and re-engraving all the marble statues and entering in people's houses to replace their instructions for use of their washing machine was better. < 1538051799 171274 :dmc_!55722a44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.114.42.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052228 688839 :dmc_!55722a44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.114.42.68 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1538052266 273646 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052431 731930 :dxrt_!~dxrt_@242-182-72-131.computex.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052505 857399 :dxrt_!~dxrt_@242-182-72-131.computex.net.br QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538052721 722832 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538052758 915369 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052778 38355 :liara18!~liara@110.77.221.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538052858 321064 :liara18!~liara@110.77.221.161 QUIT :K-Lined < 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:john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is something like this considered bad programming practice in C? < 1538076599 902631 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (a != 0) < 1538076599 902693 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1538076599 902723 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : a ^= b ^= a ^= b %= a; < 1538076599 902754 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1538077021 471165 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538077055 363895 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538077062 816792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1538077089 552607 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way to know is to get a job as a c programmer in a team with other people and try to get it past code review < 1538077639 596286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1538077650 238188 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in the middle of no-where. No tech jobs here! < 1538078351 463481 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer yes it is < 1538078383 961085 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is bad programming practice chiefly because it's hard to tell from a glance what it is doing < 1538078496 575014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1538078540 433765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also reasonably sure it's UB, since it modifies the same variable twice without an intervening sequence point. < 1538078785 368483 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-191-55-174.range86-191.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1538078896 29078 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host109-148-228-105.range109-148.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538079260 759928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: IIRC assignments are sequence points < 1538079282 277595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let me check) < 1538079290 412932 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not see them listed as such. < 1538079299 892573 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might've just missed it though) < 1538079311 232572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, even if it's defined behavior it's awfully naughty to do that. < 1538079319 715908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also: we're debating whether it is. :)) < 1538079320 548795 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538079325 841916 :lagothrix26!~lagothrix@5-12-38-74.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1538079358 295844 :lagothrix26!~lagothrix@5-12-38-74.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538079443 330084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Nah it looks like I was wrong. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part. < 1538079519 580548 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's part of a code that attempts to compute the GCD of machine integers, or integers in machine floating points. Isn't that obvious? It's a version of Euclid's algorithm. < 1538079561 433942 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what code you have to put around it to make it correct, or if it ever can, but what it is _trying_ to do is obvious enough. < 1538079656 891815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the first runner-up at http://www.underhanded-c.org/_page_id_16.html < 1538079678 607346 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xor-swap thing isn't even wrong here, because if this is C and there are no macro tricks and it compiles, then a and b are distinct objects and the compilers knows that, and a good modern compiler will know that it's effectively a swap and optimize it correctly. < 1538079738 772924 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use the xor-swap thing on objects that are sometimes the same, that's generally bad code, but on objects known at compile time to be non-overlapping it's not a problem. < 1538079775 25111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still bad code < 1538079799 761175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's more important than the compiler? < 1538079802 674005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The human. < 1538079803 765274 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that runner-up uses xor-swap on objects that may be the same, and that's the bug in it (or one of the bugs). < 1538079817 815850 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sadly, humans knew the xor-swap thing before compilers did. < 1538079829 89808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Some* humans know the xor-swap thing. < 1538079855 345113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your code relies on the reader knowing this "one weird trick", and there's little to no benefit from doing it other than showing you're clever, it's bad code. < 1538079878 299840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about... x = x + y; y = x - y; x = x - y; < 1538079918 787071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost works for floats, works for unsigned integers, and can cause undefined behavior for signed integers < 1538079922 212834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun all around < 1538079927 448309 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still bad, when there's tmp = x; x = y; y = tmp; which is rather more obvious. :) < 1538079942 7592 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that can be undefined behavior because of overflow if x and y are integrals that aren't unsigned, and can produce incorrect result for floats, and I've no idea what it does for bools in C < 1538079993 980908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for repeating what I wrote? < 1538080001 293770 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the while loop with the %= a actually do? < 1538080004 36470 :tortal19!~tortal@2.91.172.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538080010 349497 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I recognised the xorswap, but I'm not sure what it accomplishes in full < 1538080018 528548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: euclidean algorithm < 1538080020 385276 :tortal19!~tortal@2.91.172.106 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538080026 368489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has been mentioned before) < 1538080027 946176 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1538080030 480486 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1538080039 299634 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that bit < 1538080044 20987 :Guest66878!~Guest6687@46.238.46.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538080054 740387 :Guest66878!~Guest6687@46.238.46.6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538080062 303548 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sorry, I type slow < 1538080091 731691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd(int a, int b) { for (;;) { if (b == 0) return a; b %= a; if (a == 0) return b; a %= b; } } // yay, no swaps. < 1538080114 250873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... wrong < 1538080135 310675 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd(int a, int b) { for (;;) { if (b == 0) return a; a %= b; if (a == 0) return b; b %= a; } } // yay, no swaps, and not dividing by 0... < 1538080480 591335 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538080492 840682 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538080770 718172 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but there's rarely a point to do either. division by a machine-sized variable is always so slow that unless you're micro-optimizing for decoded instruction cache or something crazy like that, you should probably use the algorithm with the bitwise shift and subtraction (TAOCP ch. 4.5.2 Algorithm B) instead. < 1538080826 227259 :wob_jonas!b03f1956@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just get one of the free software libraries implementing a fixed-integer gcd for you from the internets. < 1538081036 723732 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mlxzdbxvgtzvxesb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538081278 833858 :ilovezfs_16!~ilovezfs_@196.75.139.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538081385 773839 :ilovezfs_16!~ilovezfs_@196.75.139.238 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538081543 217154 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1538141086 823047 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1538141382 73771 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1538143043 692136 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538143055 552511 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538145109 791190 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1538149744 966055 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538150214 579939 :dferris!~dferris@p54BB3451.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538150237 616858 :dferris!~dferris@p54BB3451.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538151200 55994 :uriah0!~uriah@121.140.235.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538151532 894681 :uriah0!~uriah@121.140.235.133 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538151916 135112 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538151950 397161 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538153291 947177 :utrack18!~utrack@110.77.221.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538153335 57784 :utrack18!~utrack@110.77.221.172 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1538153430 858663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Functional()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57775&oldid=57679 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+751) 10Response > 1538153903 249500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Functional()14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57776&oldid=57775 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-1) 10word < 1538154254 73119 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538154269 508531 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538156442 485570 :aadz!~aadz@93-120-186-100.dynamic.mts-nn.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1538156456 489403 :reu5!~reu@125.134.1.122 JOIN 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:MooingLemur1!~MooingLem@119.149.131.241 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538166054 849552 :brianm25!~brianm@105.157.147.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538166269 620464 :brianm25!~brianm@105.157.147.128 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538166821 949410 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dhfkeorqykicomjm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538167589 382034 :M5M40026!~M5M400@agot53.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1538168024 552968 :M5M40026!~M5M400@agot53.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538168342 356536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like XYZABCDE.ZZT game? < 1538169744 774158 :Jacta20!~Jacta@190-207-106-90.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538170031 800665 :Jacta20!~Jacta@190-207-106-90.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538170770 765206 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1538171092 308939 :mort27!~mort@112.171.76.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538171279 21875 :mort27!~mort@112.171.76.135 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538172461 946928 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538173999 753921 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozznhughmirqedde QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538174244 835647 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538176165 487426 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-paprrphcquqybcsr JOIN :#esoteric < 1538176537 366685 :scorcoran20!~scorcoran@AAubervilliers-681-1-41-93.w90-88.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1538176973 20174 :scorcoran20!~scorcoran@AAubervilliers-681-1-41-93.w90-88.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538177080 619446 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538177085 796491 :zyme11!~zyme@h-34-61.A317.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1538177105 809539 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1538177576 923740 :zyme11!~zyme@h-34-61.A317.priv.bahnhof.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538178009 992195 :renopt3!~renopt@156.223.102.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538178425 551513 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-144-19-150.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: john_metcalf < 1538178481 220504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538178483 322118 :renopt3!~renopt@156.223.102.195 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538179754 470705 :trown|brb!~trown|brb@186-93-151-154.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538179981 218342 :trown|brb!~trown|brb@186-93-151-154.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538181822 219745 :tellstogo!3ecd4adb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.74.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538182494 29685 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538183049 251632 :tellstogo!3ecd4adb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.74.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1538183528 942658 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538184924 202261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you going to John Baez's talk next week? < 1538184997 370459 :chasba23!~chasba@88.233.97.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538185004 435163 :chasba23!~chasba@88.233.97.59 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538186234 494593 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1538186347 537899 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538187434 38527 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538187494 211690 :der-onkel!~der-onkel@orb34-1-88-125-248-80.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538187549 384995 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-paprrphcquqybcsr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538187903 859285 :der-onkel!~der-onkel@orb34-1-88-125-248-80.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538188599 762787 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-164-233.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538189363 231725 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-105-204.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538189710 700997 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukvtbabwgidpcjwx JOIN :#esoteric < 1538196065 440059 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1538198293 676755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1538198340 330390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538199921 638221 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1538202462 21350 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1538203937 944510 :samfalkner29!~samfalkne@1.247.138.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538204088 881027 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukvtbabwgidpcjwx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1538204130 258804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57777&oldid=57772 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+25) 10 < 1538204193 266599 :samfalkner29!~samfalkne@1.247.138.193 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538204291 14869 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1538204997 106574 :tuskkk___!~tuskkk___@ag052209.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538205170 511460 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1538205302 325198 :tuskkk___!~tuskkk___@ag052209.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538206561 495447 :Zesty_26!~Zesty_@183.157.175.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538206732 769366 :Zesty_26!~Zesty_@183.157.175.95 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538207162 427920 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1538208317 153524 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538209718 992707 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538210517 879580 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm delicious breakfasty https://imgur.com/Crm2H51 < 1538210591 531117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1538210992 397193 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1538211517 66005 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqweanefzbqzkqlf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538212146 487075 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1538212755 365477 :dorian7!~dorian@2.95.56.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538212846 84534 :dorian7!~dorian@2.95.56.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538214132 511181 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538214136 768545 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.157.208 JOIN 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118819 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1538222510 612904 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made an esolang < 1538222717 165542 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we talk about our esolangs here? < 1538222727 510313 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just talk about esolangs in general? < 1538223515 76546 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1538223520 778044 :glguy21!~glguy@186.178.135.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538223527 573606 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, glguy < 1538223638 874408 :glguy21!~glguy@186.178.135.48 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538223712 176542 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1538223713 827794 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye < 1538223752 520289 :MRW11!~MRW@i5E87CA36.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538223759 73179 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your language called ans what is it like? < 1538223920 416073 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lang is called dotlang < 1538223927 665838 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fungeoid < 1538223932 798503 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :where dots move arounds < 1538223964 280823 :MRW11!~MRW@i5E87CA36.versanet.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538223983 292148 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dot is basically a variable < 1538223996 185154 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :by default it moves right < 1538224013 678730 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now come the directional commands (v, ^, >, <) < 1538224041 340253 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting any of these to the left of the dot will cause it to go in that direction < 1538224052 187754 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dot can also store data < 1538224066 498977 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :dots store 3 types of data: ints, floats and strings < 1538224169 485678 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538224176 893905 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, imode < 1538224182 522561 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was the guy named "andrew" < 1538224196 29104 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i made an esolang < 1538224233 992756 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, to set a dot's value you use the letter s < 1538224249 293909 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :s12.0 sets the dot's value to 12.0 < 1538224261 639173 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :s`hello world` sets its value to hello world < 1538224565 307606 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna know more? < 1538224763 226520 :uidzer019!~uidzer0@177.37.255.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538224928 162150 :uidzer019!~uidzer0@177.37.255.66 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538225044 264649 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-144-19-150.range86-144.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538225243 101434 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1538225273 508249 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set a dot to an user's input by using ~ < 1538225278 888065 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` < 1538225279 404970 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: option requires an argument < 1538225288 136894 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1538225289 418122 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1538225360 437805 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :to input a string as the value of the dot use s`(string here) < 1538225367 532382 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1538225380 416938 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :dots are represented by bullet points < 1538225686 61723 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :to output a dot's value use # < 1538226109 901427 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :now here are basic operations < 1538226116 894925 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :+, -, *, / < 1538226157 523790 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :`•`a+b`•` < 1538226157 896644 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: •`a+b`•`: not found < 1538226181 713783 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :to determine which dot comes first in an operation, you suffix it with a backtick and an a < 1538226200 44344 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :to determine which comes second ya suffix it with ` and a lowercase b < 1538226218 985172 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538226245 14026 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's talk about warps < 1538226265 987654 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :a warp's name is what comes after a capital W < 1538226283 980773 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :W1$ is the starting point for a warp < 1538226292 81935 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka where the dot has to go < 1538226310 98217 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :and W1& is the ending point of a warp, where the dot gets teleported < 1538226317 77355 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :W~ asks for input from the user < 1538226336 920449 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you inputted the number 1, for example, it'd take you to warp 1 < 1538226340 669874 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :or warp named 1 < 1538226438 354303 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be used to make a calculator < 1538226933 649034 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the letter n is used as the nand logic gate, the only gate in dotlang < 1538226935 101492 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool? < 1538226970 272365 :rpaik27!~rpaik@177.11.46.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538227528 484643 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538227650 492717 :rpaik27!~rpaik@177.11.46.61 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1538227746 360707 :akilsdonk!~akilsdonk@92.187.62.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538227917 636978 :akilsdonk!~akilsdonk@92.187.62.167 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538228014 709367 :harding6!~harding@p350193-ipngn5301souka.saitama.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538228063 692376 :harding6!~harding@p350193-ipngn5301souka.saitama.ocn.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538228155 848720 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1538228374 776768 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1538229227 815886 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvaevsytzchvzjbl JOIN :#esoteric < 1538229366 484980 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538229638 476193 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538229643 422873 :Guest6914229!~Guest6914@118-106-55-86.shizuoka1.commufa.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538229655 950963 :raktajino24!~raktajino@216.249.218.133.dy.bbexcite.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538229708 397988 :raktajino24!~raktajino@216.249.218.133.dy.bbexcite.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538229800 178248 :Guest6914229!~Guest6914@118-106-55-86.shizuoka1.commufa.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538231278 484452 :Askenfeldt6!~Askenfeld@117.0.74.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538231341 918578 :Askenfeldt6!~Askenfeld@117.0.74.68 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538231597 326889 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1538232134 626575 :andrewtheircguy!uid323392@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-svessihttfsihfou PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's giving any feedback > 1538232538 586069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03B 5* 10New user account > 1538232897 645124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57778&oldid=57773 5* 03B 5* (+131) 10/* Introductions */ > 1538232914 835513 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57779&oldid=56975 5* 03B 5* (+4) 10/* Interpreter */ whitespace > 1538233245 942621 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57780&oldid=57779 5* 03B 5* (+266) 10/* Interpreter */ improved Python 3 and Python 2 interpreters < 1538235610 288464 :Jim_D28!~Jim_D@toroon4213w-lp130-05-70-31-60-174.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1538235654 120556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Whirl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57781&oldid=44108 5* 03B 5* (+41) 10/* External resources */ replaced broken link with copy from the Wayback Machine < 1538235905 724248 :Jim_D28!~Jim_D@toroon4213w-lp130-05-70-31-60-174.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538238043 62275 :fnordahl22!~fnordahl@190-204-105-75.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538238301 92092 :fnordahl22!~fnordahl@190-204-105-75.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538239158 759045 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tewfplmfjflvpcoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1538239671 179648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1142 < 1538239671 729717 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1142: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1538244250 594195 :carboxyl27!~carboxyl@dsl-jklbng12-54fbd4-119.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1538244329 343399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: whoa, olist on saturday? < 1538244337 503499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unusual < 1538244620 4001 :Thomas_oO!~Thomas_oO@ppp-58-8-18-177.revip2.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1538244653 674639 :carboxyl27!~carboxyl@dsl-jklbng12-54fbd4-119.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538245061 956373 :Thomas_oO!~Thomas_oO@ppp-58-8-18-177.revip2.asianet.co.th QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538246134 548271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you call that if the main character pushes zero to try to call the operator but calls the operetta instead by mistake? > 1538246182 219632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57782&oldid=57777 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+18) 10/* References */ > 1538246191 957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57783&oldid=57782 5* 03YamTokWae 5* (+0) 10/* References */ < 1538246885 952677 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538246927 4454 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538246965 304652 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 QUIT :Client Quit < 1538247169 424350 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538247246 485722 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538247934 395666 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a mobile phone for my grandmother. MyPhone Halo 2. It turns out, this one actually has a good interface, unlike the other phones I've seen. Definitely much better than the previous ones. < 1538247992 926636 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hungarian translations in the interface are a bit wonky at times, and the back cover (hiding the battery, SIM card and memory card) are totally impossible to remove without a tool. < 1538248024 72517 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apart from that, it's a solid phone. I'll have to check if they sell non-grandma versions of this, because if they do, I totally want one. < 1538248092 945400 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538248307 366345 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-144-19-150.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1538248525 960199 :deutor5!~deutor@h69-131-49-245.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538248941 219854 :sibiria14!~sibiria@187-84-58-86.bommtempo.inf.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1538248945 800571 :deutor5!~deutor@h69-131-49-245.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538249139 792079 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo28: a terrible pun < 1538249160 875276 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538249175 653384 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: wow, did zzo38 lose 10? < 1538249328 719038 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jon`s: what do you mean? < 1538249567 841349 :sibiria14!~sibiria@187-84-58-86.bommtempo.inf.br QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538249732 943950 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538249802 408630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it is a terrible pun, I suppose < 1538249839 285034 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what story are you writing? < 1538249860 408805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a computer game < 1538249877 155008 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :text adventure? < 1538249964 872004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it is ZZT < 1538249982 979236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to play game if you like to do < 1538250140 436055 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1538250246 589875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can download the game from http://zzo38computer.org/ZZT/xyzabcde.zip but you also need ZZT (version 3.2 is preferred; it is a DOS program, but it works fine in DOSBOX if you increase the emulation speed a bit) < 1538250273 561922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT itself can be downloaded from https://museumofzzt.com/file/z/zzt.zip < 1538250298 675296 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nifty < 1538250415 951605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Once you start ZZT, push W on the title screen to select "XYZABCDE" and then the title screen for that file appears, and you can push P to play. All controls are mentioned on the screen, although it is recommended to use escape to pause (push escape again to unpause, or Y to quit) rather than P.) < 1538250620 937469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try to play this game? < 1538250644 55257 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I have the worlds menu open < 1538250671 738609 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm going to put xyzabcde in the zzt folder to see if it makes it show up < 1538250743 410387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it needs to be in the same directory < 1538250794 548653 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is the name "ZZT" for the game system connected to your nick? < 1538250839 629451 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit I told dosbox to open zzt.exe every time (instead of the help file) and now when I open it, it stay black for a second and tells me it finished < 1538250958 191032 :The_Schmidt3!~The_Schmi@mx-ll-171.6.132-109.dynamic.3bb.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1538250965 987769 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, MyPhone sells non-grandma phones too. I'll have to check them out. < 1538250998 79607 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took your game back out of the zzt folder and now zzt.exe works fine < 1538251035 368153 :The_Schmidt3!~The_Schmi@mx-ll-171.6.132-109.dynamic.3bb.co.th QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538251066 327553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I don't know why; it should work. Just run "dosbox ." or whatever from the directory ZZT is in, and then start ZZT from there, maybe that will work better < 1538251078 878744 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then added it back in while it was running and now it works < 1538251107 694585 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks OZ inspired < 1538251263 187935 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the corner drawing characters seem to be missing from this charset < 1538251308 790706 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: you're probably using cp850 or cp852 or similar. switch to cp437, that's probably what the game is planned for. < 1538251329 805003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct, you need cp437 < 1538251344 334637 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH! crystal ball diagnostics < 1538251778 706090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The game still works with other code pages, although 437 is best) < 1538251875 8499 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538251986 488274 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the free music is nice < 1538252062 636535 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like I need a key < 1538252103 971852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some places require keys, which you may be able to find elsewhere. < 1538252201 855982 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a key duplication bug to get two red keys? < 1538252329 762548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Sorry, I do not understand. Are you referring to some specific room in this game, or to something else? < 1538252357 621179 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like being invincible < 1538252367 597546 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nah, just a stupid joke. there's a key duplication bug in Lost Vikings that lets you get two keys where the game only tries to give you one < 1538252375 660235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: O, OK. < 1538252393 287319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Yes, but it doesn't last forever, but only for a short time, so be careful < 1538252414 483874 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only helps on levels that have more than three keyholes, and so reuse a color of key < 1538252437 223926 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a bit hard to execute. < 1538253022 70313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: So when I read "the violet form of the Dark One" in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0704.html I figured that the Dark One has many forms, and this one happens to be the violet one < 1538253044 248986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess the intended meaning was that the form was violet, and in particular it was the Dark One, whose form is always violet < 1538253095 995795 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you read Start of Darkness? < 1538253112 982484 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, the crayon drawing part of it. < 1538253154 719527 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.157.208 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1538253183 776119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but a long time ago < 1538253202 706823 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: look at the crayon drawings. < 1538253208 564256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a copy here < 1538253255 82348 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: on page 38, Redcloak narrates about the oppression of goblins. “Until one day, a goblin warlord arose who was not like the others of his clan. Born with violet skin, he was different. < 1538253341 240882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1538253350 70802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a grammar thing, is all < 1538253424 630517 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[…] [he took the title] The Dark One […] While his strength in battle was unmatched, he was revered also for being a wise and benevolent ruler to the goblins. He was able to unite many different tribes of goblinoids together into a single nation by encouraging them to treat each other as brothers and sisters, < 1538253444 8819 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538253480 771858 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :united by a common purpose: to build a lasting goblinoid civilizations. In their throne rooms, the monarchs of the human nations watched in fear as the humanoids being cooperating, forming the greatest military force that the northern continent had ever seen.” < 1538253650 551750 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it says later, “Over the centuries, certain powerful elves had managed to attract enough of a group of followers that they were able to become gods themselves. The elder gods had welcomed them with open arms, and allowed them autonomy to conduct affairs in elven lands. < 1538253679 586714 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, this horrific year of violence dedicated to a single man served to raise the Dark One's One's spirit, too. He became a god, in a pantheon of one.” < 1538253809 490055 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And later, the gods choose to not slay him immediately, “However, even those elder gods [the ones who convinced the rest to not kill the Dark One] were apparently uneasy with the Dark One, for they chose to hide certain divine knowledge from him…knowledge they had shared with the elven gods.” < 1538253901 346446 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it tells that the gods didn't tell the Dark One about the tangly one, but he found out about it on his own. < 1538253909 466998 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not everything about it though. < 1538253967 459017 :fpletz13!~fpletz@186.178.132.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538253987 363568 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so I for one think he's always purple, and his aura is always purple. < 1538253993 203548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1538253993 594492 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The divine aura that is. < 1538254049 381091 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And later in SOD you find out that at that time, the Dark One only knew about one rift, the one that later became known as Lirian's gate. < 1538254049 669190 :fpletz13!~fpletz@186.178.132.176 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538254412 500500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The birth of olist http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?7333-The-Order-of-the-Stick < 1538256045 915390 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538256838 684159 :toppler2!~toppler@FL1-122-131-82-251.tky.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1538256934 993745 :CrystalMare11!~CrystalMa@156.211.240.250 JOIN :#esoteric > 1538257053 513350 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ZeptoBasic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57784&oldid=44555 5* 03B 5* (+36) 10/* Implementation */ allow to jump forward after an if > 1538257183 722518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ZeptoBasic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57785&oldid=57784 5* 03B 5* (+2) 10/* Factorial */ use "gt" instead of ">" for "greater than" comparison < 1538257206 254142 :toppler2!~toppler@FL1-122-131-82-251.tky.mesh.ad.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538257370 607879 :CrystalMare11!~CrystalMa@156.211.240.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538258548 961353 :elms22!~elms@ip98-162-217-14.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538258880 287022 :elms22!~elms@ip98-162-217-14.ok.ok.cox.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1538260254 488098 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538262234 484484 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-105-204.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538262236 53249 :bankai_23!~bankai_@27.76.97.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538262471 423688 :bankai_23!~bankai_@27.76.97.145 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1538262761 177796 :Lymia8!~Lymia@151.27.61.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538262797 411936 :Lymia8!~Lymia@151.27.61.101 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538263329 584605 :rhcp6!~rhcp@mx-ll-183.89.158-43.dynamic.3bb.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1538263344 964735 :rhcp6!~rhcp@mx-ll-183.89.158-43.dynamic.3bb.co.th QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538263592 410243 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-071-158-215.088.071.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538263862 365235 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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:stiell14!~stiell@186.178.135.92 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538315903 410997 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538316358 360610 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1538316995 702145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SealedKiller 5* 10New user account > 1538317102 349605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57786&oldid=57778 5* 03SealedKiller 5* (+70) 10 < 1538317128 887788 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538317335 871945 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1538317946 763592 :mgoodwin26!~mgoodwin@160.242.138.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538318034 250096 :mgoodwin26!~mgoodwin@160.242.138.241 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538318599 824547 :Morrolan10!~Morrolan@189.58.116.57.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br JOIN 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:Jackneill14!~Jackneill@5.36.170.217.dynamic-dsl-ip.omantel.net.om QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538320495 504550 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1538321484 301620 :zigmoo_2!~zigmoo_@119.202.181.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538321809 317702 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538321915 156509 :zigmoo_2!~zigmoo_@119.202.181.129 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538325385 787215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Perhaps that will help, but I would have to figure out detail if how. I thought anyways of redesigning most of the registers, removing some and adding others (including to add support for a side bar) < 1538325588 795004 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538325618 184915 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not saying you have to do 12 px, because it's not easy, so it might not be worth. < 1538325645 200868 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, have you changed the palette and recolor handling since last time? < 1538326003 670905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually updated the document, but I do not remember if I have changed palette/recolor handling. I thought same thing though that 12 px might not be worth it (if you need it, you could do it in software, perhaps, either by treating it directly as a frame buffer or by using some other trick). < 1538326028 510622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you describe if you intended something for palette/recolor handling? < 1538326181 336213 :sysfault13!~sysfault@36.81.163.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538326229 417384 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not really sure. what bothers me is that IIRC in your design, tile and sprite images have to use 4 bits per pixel, but you could likely get away with just 4 colors in any one sprite and so 2 bits, like I think the SNES forces you, if you have some good subpalette selector mechanism, and if you could pull that off, then you could have mor < 1538326229 594015 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e memory or RAM space left for other useful stuff < 1538326254 16646 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could be wrong here, I don't really understand retro-hardware design and game graphics. < 1538326280 496424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could map multiple planes to the same addresses in my design, so that you do save memory by having only 2 bits or 1 bit < 1538326296 601423 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that? nice < 1538326375 992042 :sysfault13!~sysfault@36.81.163.138 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1538326921 312224 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1538327704 123746 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1538328021 948572 :cgray9!~cgray@pc-106-162-83-200.cm.vtr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538328140 851718 :cgray9!~cgray@pc-106-162-83-200.cm.vtr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538328191 466521 :Trizt4!~Trizt@128-70-139-228.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1538328317 715804 :Trizt4!~Trizt@128-70-139-228.broadband.corbina.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538329389 279477 :sspi__21!~sspi__@182.209.156.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538329480 515614 :sspi__21!~sspi__@182.209.156.66 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538331508 5051 :cef14!~cef@41.202.166.45 JOIN :#esoteric > 1538331591 746635 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Minkizz 5* 10New user account < 1538331689 850760 :cef14!~cef@41.202.166.45 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1538331729 283046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57787&oldid=57786 5* 03Minkizz 5* (+224) 10I added a new line > 1538331784 224107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Minkizz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57788 5* 03Minkizz 5* (+204) 10Created page with "Hello, my name is Minkizz. I love esoteric programming languages and I want to create my own esoteric programming language, MINK++. It is currently in high development phases..." < 1538331827 1115 :Guest53690!~spiette_@ip-37-201-4-207.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1538331944 490786 :Guest53690!~spiette_@ip-37-201-4-207.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538332148 743383 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtkjarssmawfkabs JOIN :#esoteric < 1538332982 413865 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1538333610 287528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WHY14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57789 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1306) 10Created page with "WHY was created to illustrate to somebody that, compiled languages are not necessarily faster. 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(aka. Sagittarius) I'm most likely the youngest one here, at 12 years old. Nevertheless, esolangs are a very interesting concept to me and I hope to..." > 1538338302 795980 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Gamer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57797&oldid=57796 5* 03Gamer 5* (-2) 10 < 1538338483 722517 :colstrom5!~colstrom@158.58.173.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538338531 3092 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538338663 958396 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538338721 373787 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.157.208 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1538338756 384675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1538338773 652155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WHY14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57798&oldid=57792 5* 03Gamer 5* (-3) 10Removed 3 commas. < 1538338802 987744 :makije4!~makije@81.249.185.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538338853 683596 :makije4!~makije@81.249.185.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538339181 366369 :colstrom5!~colstrom@158.58.173.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1538340919 493727 :jabular22!~jabular@190-207-172-211.dyn.dsl.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538341132 275662 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-137-99.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538341142 488674 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1538341170 72242 :jabular22!~jabular@190-207-172-211.dyn.dsl.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538343820 922802 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1538345188 782882 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1538345285 156645 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538345753 102011 :splyces22!~splyces@223.204.88.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538345869 928709 :splyces22!~splyces@223.204.88.225 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1538345904 909349 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538345935 173741 :nssy12!~nssy@96.239.69.91.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538345997 612082 :nssy12!~nssy@96.239.69.91.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538346382 863018 :subtlepoint!~subtlepoi@110.77.171.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538346795 824745 :sebbo6!~sebbo@186.139.44.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538346818 899154 :subtlepoint!~subtlepoi@110.77.171.136 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538347149 375822 :sebbo6!~sebbo@186.139.44.146 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538347377 152263 :newbie!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1538347527 56024 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538348062 699995 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1538348082 47979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57799 5* 03Gamer 5* (+2530) 10Created page with "'''HQ9funge''' or '''HQ9FTC''' is an [[Esoteric programming language|esoteric programming language]] which was created purely to make the programmer's life worse. Currently, i..." < 1538348220 18270 :newbie!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538348403 576393 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1538348423 761843 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538348460 6734 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1538348801 513419 :evilroots25!~evilroots@189.15.166.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538349005 851514 :evilroots25!~evilroots@189.15.166.137 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538350720 9259 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtkjarssmawfkabs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538350750 975244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1538350834 915437 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57800&oldid=57799 5* 03Gamer 5* (+99) 10 < 1538350908 430662 :Kipe_10!~Kipe_@200.82.185.240 JOIN :#esoteric > 1538350918 254857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57801&oldid=57800 5* 03Gamer 5* (+27) 10 < 1538350988 454761 :Kipe_10!~Kipe_@200.82.185.240 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1538351454 124303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57802&oldid=57801 5* 03Gamer 5* (+91) 10 > 1538351575 460292 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57803&oldid=57802 5* 03Gamer 5* (+157) 10 > 1538351621 843877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57804&oldid=57803 5* 03Gamer 5* (+13) 10/* Commands */ > 1538351680 621032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57805&oldid=57804 5* 03Gamer 5* (-17) 10/* The Catch */ > 1538351809 75126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57806&oldid=57805 5* 03Gamer 5* (+153) 10/* The name of the language as a program in that language */ > 1538351846 999476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57807&oldid=57806 5* 03Gamer 5* (-16) 10/* The name of the language as a program in that language */ > 1538351996 176349 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9funge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57808&oldid=57807 5* 03Gamer 5* (-144) 10