00:00:27 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57809&oldid=57808 * Gamer * (-8) /* Commands */
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01:55:50 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57824&oldid=57822 * Gamer * (+1)
01:55:58 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57825&oldid=57823 * Gamer * (+161)
01:57:03 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57826&oldid=57825 * Gamer * (+3)
01:57:37 <moony> someone desperately needs to learn to use previews
01:58:04 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57827&oldid=57826 * Gamer * (+1) /* Implementations */
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02:10:51 <oerjan> since this keeps happening, i'd rather say mediawiki desperately needs to learn to _suggest_ using previews.
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02:22:37 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57832&oldid=57831 * Gamer * (-4) /* Truth machine */
02:23:30 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57833&oldid=57832 * Gamer * (+5) /* Truth machine */
02:24:20 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57834&oldid=57833 * Gamer * (+33) /* Truth machine */
02:24:33 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57835&oldid=57834 * Gamer * (-17) /* Truth machine */
02:27:02 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57836&oldid=57835 * Gamer * (-44) /* Truth machine */
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02:28:05 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57839&oldid=57838 * Gamer * (+18) /* Truth machine */
02:29:25 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57840&oldid=57839 * Gamer * (-42) /* Examples */
02:32:07 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57841&oldid=57840 * Gamer * (-4) /* Concept */
02:33:25 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57842&oldid=57841 * Gamer * (+1) /* Commands */
02:34:18 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57843&oldid=57842 * Gamer * (-1) /* Language overview */
02:35:54 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57844&oldid=57843 * Gamer * (-3) /* Language overview */
02:38:25 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57845&oldid=57844 * Gamer * (-7) /* Implementations */
02:41:43 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57846&oldid=57824 * Gamer * (-29) /* Examples */
02:42:27 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57847&oldid=57846 * Gamer * (+0) /* Commands */
02:43:50 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57848&oldid=57847 * Gamer * (-83) /* The name of the language as a program in that language */
02:44:27 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57849&oldid=57848 * Gamer * (+53) /* Entropy */
02:45:35 <zzo38> It look the UK government's list of file formats now includes farbfeld under fmt/1133, but a lot of the information is not filled in.
02:57:18 <oerjan> andrewtheircguy: you might want to use the preview button.
02:59:03 <oerjan> hm seems idle here, but logs imply it's the same guy.
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03:11:18 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57851&oldid=57850 * Gamer * (+16) /* Cat */
03:16:09 <esowiki> [[La We]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57852&oldid=57750 * Pelirodri * (+15)
03:18:51 <esowiki> [[Alphuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57853&oldid=41111 * Gamer * (+39)
03:24:14 <esowiki> [[(]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57854&oldid=55735 * Gamer * (-16) /* ( */
03:28:34 <esowiki> [[(]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57855&oldid=57854 * Gamer * (-37)
03:30:07 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57856&oldid=57345 * A * (+113)
03:31:46 <esowiki> [[APLBAONWSJAS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57857&oldid=43288 * Gamer * (+24) /* Execute */
03:32:17 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57858&oldid=57856 * A * (+18) /* Normal implementations */
03:32:21 <esowiki> [[APLBAONWSJAS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57859&oldid=57857 * Gamer * (+19) /* Hello, world! */
03:32:42 <esowiki> [[APLBAONWSJAS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57860&oldid=57859 * Gamer * (+0) /* Python interpreter */
03:32:57 <esowiki> [[APLBAONWSJAS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57861&oldid=57860 * Gamer * (+0) /* Hello, world! */
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03:38:30 <esowiki> [[APLWSI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57863&oldid=53723 * Gamer * (-7)
03:38:56 <esowiki> [[APLWSI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57864&oldid=57863 * Gamer * (+5)
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03:43:59 <esowiki> [[*]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57866&oldid=57865 * Gamer * (+1)
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03:45:34 <esowiki> [[*]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57869&oldid=57868 * Gamer * (+34)
03:47:51 <esowiki> [[+-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57870&oldid=57698 * Gamer * (+25)
03:50:15 <esowiki> [[2014]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57871&oldid=52834 * Gamer * (-59) /* Implementation */
03:57:28 <esowiki> [[2017]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57872&oldid=52374 * Gamer * (-140)
04:00:11 <esowiki> [[Baby Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57873&oldid=50113 * Gamer * (+29)
04:06:02 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57874&oldid=57849 * Gamer * (+145)
04:09:51 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57875&oldid=57851 * Gamer * (+130)
04:10:30 <esowiki> [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57876&oldid=57874 * Gamer * (+22)
04:20:46 <esowiki> [[Baz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57877&oldid=37052 * Gamer * (+91) /* Commands */
04:23:37 <esowiki> [[Baz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57878&oldid=57877 * Gamer * (-13) /* Programs */
04:25:08 <esowiki> [[Baz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57879&oldid=57878 * Gamer * (-14) /* Interpreter in Ruby */
04:29:48 <HackEso> smissntacoin lenspecificoin bickencomiccoin platthuecoin rfoloncoin illmarylogcoin filitcoin advercoin hanocoin idlequitcoin bam1coin orookhivatcoin lambinimachecoin owncoin corkcoin fylicoin densiscoin sortsolcoin wiksundcoin changecoin
04:30:19 <esowiki> [[Compute]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57880&oldid=24659 * Gamer * (+1)
04:32:18 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57881&oldid=54257 * Gamer * (+0)
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07:55:03 <shachaf> Taneb: imo you should go hth
07:55:22 <Taneb> shachaf: I'd rather stay
07:55:26 <Taneb> If that's all right
07:55:45 <Taneb> (I'm completely missing context here)
07:55:46 <shachaf> not a fan of noether's theorem?
07:56:20 <shachaf> <shachaf> Taneb: Are you going to John Baez's talk next week?
07:56:48 <Taneb> I hadn't seen that
07:58:32 <Taneb> Do you have a link with details?
07:58:34 <Taneb> It sounds interesting
07:58:39 <shachaf> https://twitter.com/johncarlosbaez/status/1045848789183950849
08:00:16 <Taneb> Might be easier for me to go to the one on Saturday in London
08:00:59 <shachaf> I don't know the geography of England so I figured those were infinitely apart
08:01:11 <shachaf> I think it's on an island?
08:01:55 <Taneb> It takes me about an hour to get to London, and then another hour to get to where I want to be in London
08:02:25 <Taneb> So, it would take me longer to get there, but on the other hand I normally have a job on Thursday afternoons
08:05:37 <shachaf> quit your job and then go to the thing in Cambridge
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08:06:13 <shachaf> quitting your job saves you a lot of time
08:22:44 <zzo38> I think that generators in JavaScript form two kind of monads, one with the return values and one with the yield values. Is it, or did I make some mistake?
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08:29:11 <zzo38> In the first case, fmap changes "return x" to "return f(x)" and join changes "return x" to "return yield*x", but in second case, fmap changes "yield x" to "yield f(x)" and join changes "yield x" to "yield*x".
08:29:59 <zzo38> Now can you follow?
08:33:14 <shachaf> No. I guess I don't know JavaScript generators very well.
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08:43:17 <shachaf> Cale: What was that example you gave me of a vector space without a natural basis once? I think it was you
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08:49:08 <Cale> shachaf: Uh, perhaps continuous functions on R?
08:49:34 <Cale> Or the real numbers as a vector space over the rationals.
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09:03:37 <shachaf> I mean a finite-dimensional vector space
09:03:43 <shachaf> Maybe it was someone else?
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18:21:37 <zzo38> In one story I heard of once (I forget the details) if some aliens will receive a television broadcast they did not know the colours because the broadcast didn't have the colours. But I said that even if they did have colours, they still likely would not know the colours, because the NTSC colour broadcasts use an encoding for the colours and if you do not decode them you can get the picture without the colours.
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18:37:02 <wob_jonas> The ICFP contest results are out since last week. Save them from https://icfpcontest2018.github.io/
18:41:26 <esowiki> [[La We]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57887&oldid=57852 * Pelirodri * (+13)
18:43:40 <pikhq_> zzo38: And the same is true for PAL and SECAM signals.
18:43:58 <pikhq_> The encoded color signals can be extracted, but it's fairly non-obvious what they mean.
18:44:12 <pikhq_> While you can kinda guess at how the luma signal is encoded and get something coherent.
18:44:43 <pikhq_> Especially if you happen to get a test pattern.
18:48:33 <zzo38> I cannot find the plot of the XYZABCDE.ZZT game in the list of plots in the All The Tropes (although there is a lot and I did not look at the details for each one). Do you know?
18:51:33 <wob_jonas> pikhq_: that's partly because those signals have some non-trivial design requirements: they make the broadcast compatible with the previous black and white television, so they put the chrominance in some extra spaces, and they make it so that there's less chrominance information, and that if the analog signal is too noisy, the TV can fall back to o
18:51:33 <wob_jonas> nly luminance or only Y+V without U
18:52:28 <wob_jonas> pikhq_: also SECAM is a deliberately esoteric format, because PAL uses the simplest method, and they made SECAM deliberately different so that people couldn't easily modify their SECAM televisions to watch PAL broadcasts from the west.
18:53:11 <zzo38> O, is that why SECAM is difference? I did not know
18:53:19 <pikhq_> That's kinda false. SECAM is *French*.
18:53:42 <pikhq_> That is why Soviet block countries adopted it, but the standard is Western.
18:53:51 <wob_jonas> They also had other methods to detect people who watched PAL broadcasts, and pretty cool ones, mind you: they could detect the station with the back of the television turned in a room from outside the window just by checking the correlation of the brightness of the room as time changes to every channel they could access.
18:54:44 <wob_jonas> pikhq_: that's not a problem, they didn't want to stop the west from seeing SECAM television broadcasts, only the reverse
18:55:10 <pikhq_> Yes, it's just that that desire isn't *why* SECAM is the way it is.
18:55:39 <pikhq_> SECAM is the way it is for just more arbitrary nationalist reasons.
18:55:44 <wob_jonas> pikhq_: why is it harder to decode than PAL then?
18:56:33 <pikhq_> Because Henri de France felt the more complex scheme gave better results.
18:57:13 <pikhq_> Thus, Séquentiel couleur à mémoire is more complex.
18:57:46 <wob_jonas> I hear the simple method of putting a transparent film on the TV screen, colored blue on the top and green at the bottom, gave acceptible results for watching football matches.
18:58:01 <pikhq_> Should be noted, for France there was already a compatibility issue: France used positive, rather than negative, luma modulation.
18:58:29 <pikhq_> So you couldn't really tune foreign TV signals *anyways*.
18:58:34 <wob_jonas> Grayscale television is why football judges wore black-white striped uniform for a while, and the two teams colored and white shirts respectively. They changed that by now.
18:58:45 <wob_jonas> The white shirts are still mostly there, but the striped uniform is gone.
18:59:22 <wob_jonas> pikhq_: the better, that just means with your SECAM TVs, you couldn't watch western TV stations even in greyscale
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18:59:32 <pikhq_> wob_jonas: French was Western.
18:59:44 <pikhq_> And the positive mdoulation thing was *just* French.
18:59:51 <pikhq_> No other SECAM users do it that way.
19:00:02 <wob_jonas> pikhq_: oh, so that wasn't used for the rest of the SECAM users? that's strange
19:00:08 <wob_jonas> so there were four formats, not three?
19:00:39 <pikhq_> Actually, rather a lot more. PAL-over-RF is modulated subtly different from country to country.
19:01:31 <pikhq_> There's like 7 or 8 distinct broadcast TV systems, with 3 ways color can be done.
19:01:43 <wob_jonas> I mean, there were already two different FM *radio* spectrum bands, one for west and one for east.
19:02:03 <wob_jonas> But we no longer use the eastern one.
19:02:26 <wob_jonas> We only use one of the FM, and one of the three AM bands.
19:02:40 <pikhq_> For instance, Brazil uses PAL-M, and Laos uses SECAM-M. Which is compatible with all NTSC TVs, but only in black and white.
19:03:14 <pikhq_> (there's only one NTSC system)
19:03:19 <wob_jonas> And the difference is in video, not the audio, right?
19:03:44 <pikhq_> The audio varies between FM and AM, and with a different subcarrier based on the system.
19:04:36 <wob_jonas> Yeah, but people already had FM radios by that time, and I think the FM radio system is even somewhat compatible with the TV one, except maybe it needs an extra diode for polarity duplex or whatever magic that is..
19:04:43 <wob_jonas> I don't really understand how that works.
19:07:07 <pikhq_> And all this is ignoring the weirdo historical formats, like France's 737i scheme, and the UK's 377i scheme.
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19:33:53 <SopaXorzTaker> <wob_jonas> Yeah, but people already had FM radios by that time, and I think the FM radio system is even somewhat compatible with the TV one, except maybe it needs an extra diode for polarity duplex or whatever
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20:09:20 <wob_jonas> SopaXorzTaker: as in, when we had analog TV broadcasts (they're no longer done used in Hungary), you could listen to their audio with a slightly modified FM radio receiver, because they have basically the same encoding, only at a somewhat different frequency range allocated for TV than for radio.
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