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00:46:12 <\oren\> an alternative to currying for making every function unary, is to make every function treated as recieving a single argument which is a tuple
00:47:39 <\oren\> well I guess apply is still binary
00:48:55 <\oren\> ```fxyz ---> `f``T``Txyz
00:48:56 <HackEso> /srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ``fxyz: not found
00:49:43 <\oren\> where T is the tuple-creation function, which given x returns a function, which given y, returns the tuple x,y
00:51:39 <\oren\> in a js-like language this removes the distinction between the comma in f(x,y) and the [,] one in f([x,y])
00:53:56 <shachaf> \oren: I've discussed this in here before.
00:54:59 <shachaf> I think it would be very reasonable in a C++-ish language
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00:55:20 <shachaf> Or C-ish, with support for something resembling tuples.
00:55:30 <shachaf> And also structs (for keyword arguments) and so on.
00:55:39 <shachaf> But I haven't worked out the details, you should help me do that.
01:00:46 <\oren\> I mean basically in C the declaration void f(struct {int x; int y;} p); would replace void f(int x, int y);
01:01:34 <shachaf> Right, but what sort of type inference thing would you have?
01:02:27 <shachaf> If you write something like f((blah, {.x = 5, .y = 8}));, do you need to know the type of f to figure out the type of the expression?
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01:06:15 <\oren\> well in C structs with the same member types in the same order are interconvertible
01:07:07 <shachaf> So you're suggesting there'd be an implicit conversion from the inferred type for the struct to the type that f accepts?
01:07:21 <shachaf> I was thinking along those lines.
01:07:23 <\oren\> but that isn't extended to allow struct{struct{int x}, struct{int x}} to be converted to struct{int x,int y}
01:07:36 <\oren\> if it were though, this would work better
01:07:57 <shachaf> It should also have varargs support of some sort.
01:08:09 <shachaf> Which I think should be easy enough probably?
01:08:30 <shachaf> Of course C-style varargs is scow anyway, but you can make something similar which isn't
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01:10:37 <shachaf> I'm a little wary of lots of implicit type coercions.
01:10:48 <shachaf> But maybe it's not so bad if they're pretty clear?
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01:18:23 <shachaf> The ALGOL 68 coercion rules look too complicated to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALGOL_68#Coercions:_casting
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01:27:34 <shachaf> So one thing about C is that you can't write "int x, y; ...; swap(x, y);", like in C++
01:27:49 <shachaf> You have to explicitly indicate that you're passing memory locations rather than values.
01:27:54 <shachaf> That seems like a feature to me.
01:28:13 <shachaf> But with ALGOL 68-style REF T -> T coercion, you don't indicate that.
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15:27:12 <wob_jonas> "<oren> to make every function treated as recieving a single argument which is a tuple" => should I tell you a little about some precedents for that in the low-level core language of Wikiplia, or the things close to that in rust and scheme?
15:28:02 <wob_jonas> I assume you already know about argument passing in perl, which is like that too, but with some specific optimizations.
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19:43:42 <wob_jonas> I just got my hands on “Satan, Cantor, and Infinity and other mind-boggling puzzles”, a pop-sci book by Raymond Smullyan. No spoilers please. I've only read a few pages yet, but I'm already captivated by Smullyan's unique style. If you read his other pop-sci books, you'll know what I'm talking about, otherwise I can't really describe it.
19:50:15 <wob_jonas> I have five of his other books on my bookshelf, and have read parts of two others, but this particular book was never translated to Hungarian, which is why I hadn't read it before.
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19:51:15 <wob_jonas> Also, Raymond Smullyan died on 2017-02-06. Rest in peace. Smullyan, we'll never see anyone equal to you.
19:52:14 <wob_jonas> Hmm, let me check how exactly the Lewis Carol book phrases that.
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19:57:26 <wob_jonas> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking-Glass,_and_What_Alice_Found_There/Chapter_VII
19:58:46 <wob_jonas> > "There's nothing like eating hay when you're faint," he remarked to her, as he munched away. / "I should think throwing cold water over you would be better," Alice suggested: "——or some sal-volatile." / "I didn't say there was nothing *better*," the King replied. "I said there was nothing *like* it." Which Alice did not venture to deny.
19:58:48 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:72: error: parse error on input ‘,’
20:09:05 <zzo38> I thought of some kind of chess variant, "get out of the way" chess variant. After you move one piece, if it does not put or leave either player in check, you may optionally make a second move, but the second move must be a different piece (still your own piece though), and must be a move that would not be possible if the first piece hadn't moved out of the way, and can't put anyone in check.
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20:12:14 <wob_jonas> zzo38: hehe, you came at the right time, mentioning such a chess variant when I was just talking about Smullyan
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20:21:16 <wob_jonas> zzo38: just out of curiosity, have you read some of Smullyan's writings?
20:22:44 <wob_jonas> (Yeah, ok. I keep arguing that English and French and Hungarian uses articles practically the same way, so if you know one well then the use of articles in the other two languages should be easy to learn, but that mistake above proves me wrong.)
20:24:01 <zzo38> I wanted to, but have not ever done so I think
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20:24:46 <wob_jonas> zzo38: I'm not saying you have to, they're rather strange books and I can understand if someone doesn't like them, I'm just curios.
20:25:02 <zzo38> I don't know, because I have not read it.
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20:38:18 <zzo38> Is there a Haskell implementation in JavaScript that is independent of the host environment?
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22:48:44 <shachaf> So the magic (?) of lvalues in C is that they reliably decay to rvalues in most contexts.
22:48:56 <shachaf> Except e.g. as the operand of = or &
22:49:26 <shachaf> That's different from automatic dereferencing like in ALGOL 68
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