< 1538957171 493693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538958358 805773 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1538960667 129901 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538960917 986731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read now Microsoft open-sourced MS-DOS version 1 and 2. What I would like to see is open-sourced ROM BASIC and PC BIOS code. (While PC BIOS code is available, I have not seen an official open-source licensing of it.) < 1538963418 787725 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538965475 527833 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwarcnubowsjeavh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538966812 432612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1538967541 34954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1538967601 71519 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1538967689 488694 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538967809 336776 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rkppeicnakholkvr JOIN :#esoteric < 1538968983 85700 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1538969153 348305 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1538974364 288253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of the "Immobilizer" piece from Ultima is the "Vestal Virgin" from Emperor Wars. The movement is the same, but it only prevents capturing moves, and does not prevent non-capturing moves. < 1538974787 980653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there implementation of Haskell in JavaScript that does not have its own I/O and can combine with your own JavaScript codes for I/O and other functions? < 1538976875 654856 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rkppeicnakholkvr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1538977540 14270 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1538978745 338679 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: sounds like you'll soon have a fly army then. < 1538978884 285578 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Black soldier fly larvae (BSFL) are an excellent source of sustainable protein for aquaculture, animal feed, and pet and human nutrition.[citation needed]" < 1538978954 120538 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( wait is he raising them _as_ pets or _for_ his pets? ) < 1538978962 196694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or both? < 1538978990 628456 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's usually considered good to feed your pets to each other < 1538979046 529708 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to go out on a limb and assume he's not eating them himself. < 1538979460 859722 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1538979528 632456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose it would be unusual to do both < 1538980381 76533 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@207.55.82.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm raising them to eat food waste, which they do a wonderful job of < 1538980571 677661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1538980585 654743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is better than wasting it. < 1538980809 402198 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1538980824 184831 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538980875 487447 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@207.55.82.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1538981243 982711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57987&oldid=57959 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+95) 10/* Working on */ > 1538981766 486094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57988&oldid=46778 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+140) 10add link to my wip compiler that compiles hello-world example < 1538982827 486093 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf5tit6s260cpd.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1538985726 488726 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf5tit6s260cpd.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538985766 857447 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf5tit6s260cpd.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1538986254 254120 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1538988525 767308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1538988525 898533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1538988525 898587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1538991359 386724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1538991468 487596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1538992032 854053 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538992075 233783 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not open source, but I have ROM BIOS listing for IBM PC XT or something similar, and I think it's on the internet too < 1538992155 230620 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it's actually the original PC before the XT. the manual contained assembly listings for the ROM BIOS and (hard disk ROM BIOS extension), including the keyboard handling code, plus lots of other useful docs like schematics and BIOS API docs < 1538992184 853487 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but not any BASIC. if you can't find it on the internet, ping me and I'll try to look it up, or, failing that, get my printed book and scan the parts you're interested in < 1538992234 37180 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: but don't flies leave a lot of mess after themselves, including human disease sources? < 1538992264 133986 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike ants, which are clean, but can be a bad idea to raise in the house because they can make holes in the plastering of walls or worse > 1538992965 665367 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57989&oldid=57987 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+107) 10/* Interested in */ < 1538994905 140121 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1538998350 820332 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1538998404 770736 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1538998468 966199 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ruovbiqtpoybjszz JOIN :#esoteric < 1538998553 387004 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1539000844 334739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1539001136 543896 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1539001175 119556 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1539001179 817323 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1539002874 487324 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1539002874 618537 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1539003233 979973 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1539005609 694985 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozhbpwobczzuteas JOIN :#esoteric < 1539008045 512339 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ruovbiqtpoybjszz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1539009893 276632 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell doesthiswork but don't flies leave a lot of mess after themselves, including human disease sources? unlike ants, which are clean, but can be a bad idea to raise in the house because they can make holes in the plastering of walls or worse. < 1539009893 546932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1539009902 158428 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1539013647 734955 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1539013812 820585 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1539014820 749918 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xknxhsrxqilraukf JOIN :#esoteric < 1539016117 139084 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1539016175 974307 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the 7-zip UI is testing an archive, the dialog has a "Cancel" button to cancel the test, since it can take a long time for a large archive. When I click on that button, I get a dialog asking "Are you sure you want to cancel?" and three buttons: Yes, No, Cancel. < 1539016181 141931 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there three buttons? > 1539017262 40071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57990&oldid=57622 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+216) 10Examples < 1539017380 845647 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1539017859 843003 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1539019642 508840 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@207.55.82.163 JOIN :#esoteric > 1539020001 216162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57991&oldid=57990 5* 03Blacksilver 5* (+321) 10/* Computational Class */ < 1539020151 164146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I don't use the 7-Zip GUI < 1539022445 592692 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xknxhsrxqilraukf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1539023355 815930 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1539023657 218783 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, finally! Laundry buffer underflow! As in, I could wash laundry now because the washing machine and the clothes rack is free and I have the time to start one, but there's not enough dirty clothes to be worth. < 1539023702 291976 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I replace the bed linen or wash the curtains, but I'm too lazy to do either. (Washing the curtains is easy, it's putting them up again that's the hard part, and you have to do that immediately after the washing machine is done. < 1539023704 565705 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1539023988 675364 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1143 < 1539023989 424650 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1143: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1539025114 103438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book with the PC BIOS code in it (for the original IBM PC, I think). < 1539025257 778686 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you're only missing the casette BASIC BIOS? < 1539025266 816693 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1539025279 372091 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's obvious, but have you searched the internet for it? < 1539025311 222478 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The casette BASIC faded into obscurity because of MS-DOS and MS's BASIC implementation GW-BASIC. < 1539025321 540017 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which runs on DOS and is really small.) < 1539025330 215407 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you know that. < 1539025505 204185 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1539025505 334470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that. < 1539025594 324066 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also every PC came with an 1.2" floppy drive for a long time AFAIK, and casettes are just really unreliable compared to cheap floppies, so the whole idea of a BASIC that stores its data on a casette instead of a floppy on a PC seems absurd to me, while it made sense back in the older personal computers like the C-64. < 1539025632 484309 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why the PC BASIC worked with a casette in first place rather than a floppy, whether it's over PC-DOS or separate and with a possibly different floppy format. < 1539025668 266502 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand that they made a casette controller for the PC, so people can potentially read and write casettes and communicate with other machines that way. < 1539025682 911730 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the PC also had a floppy drive. < 1539025789 469951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the book I have says it supports four floppy drives, although only two can physically fit inside the computer. < 1539025914 784451 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@207.55.82.163 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1539025915 848464 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the BIOS routines support four floppy drives, even on later PCs, but since DOS only supports two floppy drives without extra software, and people generally got hard disks by the time 1.4" floppy drives appeared, I'd guess very few people had a PC with more than two floppies. < 1539025969 486146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 1.2"?! < 1539026011 66059 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, um... what are the floppy sizes again? < 1539026022 545084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 1/4", 1.2MB < 1539026040 671975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 180k, 360k, 720k, 1.2MB < 1539026046 247512 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5+1/4 inch with formatted capacity 1.2MB, and 3+1/2 inch with DOS formatted capacity 1.44 MB but total capacity 2MB < 1539026072 900539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3 1/2", 1.44MB, not sure about smaller sizes. < 1539026157 542207 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, that's why the one that's half the size of the 1.44 MB floppy is called "double-sided-double density" or something like that, but I've only seen the floppy formats other than the two largest for the 3+1/2" drive and the biggest double-sided and single-sided for the 5+1/4" drive only in theory, never a real floppy. < 1539026178 408149 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC 5 1/4" came in single density (40 tracks), double density (80 tracks), high density (15 sectors instead of 9 per track), and one- and two-sided. < 1539026222 354418 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every software has options to support them, since they're kind of trivial once you support the biggest floppy format, Linux even has specific devices with major and minor ID numbers and names in /dev that force the format in case the auto-detection fails, not that it ever fails < 1539026265 989017 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't want to look the details up now. I know I've seen at least one real 3+1/2" floppy with half the normal capacity < 1539026302 112306 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've also seen like two software for formatting ordinary 3+1/2" floppies in ways different from DOS to get a higher formatted capacity < 1539026321 546112 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still make them accessible by DOS software that is < 1539026330 343278 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the thing with cassettes is that it's very cheap to support in hardware... you hardly even need an A/D converter; some automatic level adjustment should suffice, followed by an operational amplifier. Almost everybody had a cassette recorder at the time. < 1539026338 611262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had the auto-detection of floppy disks fail. The same disk works on an actual DOS computer though. (I am using an external device to use the floppy disk, since the computer doesn't have one built-in) < 1539026341 973409 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy without that part, replacing all the DOS routines is the hard part < 1539026367 385849 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the auto-detection failed but you could read the floppy if you specified the format? what format of floppy was it? < 1539026381 848960 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's on modern hardware? wow < 1539026401 173301 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen floppies fail, but not in that way < 1539026508 699666 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have used floppies with Linux, but not much. < 1539026517 33264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ordinary 3.5" HD floppy disk in DOS format. < 1539026534 343831 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1539026649 650855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also once I used a floppy disk with a ZIP archive, that neither 7-Zip nor Info-Zip could read, although someone suggested I try bsdtar, and it was able to read it. (Only part of the file was readable, and there was a disk error after that. I later reformatted the disk and copied the file again and this time it did work with 7-Zip.) < 1539026733 580589 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, if there was a disk error, then why did you reformat the disk? don't those usually come from permanent physical errors so you should generally throw away such a floppy and use a new one, after reading the data, since they're so cheap? < 1539026768 504903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but reformatting the disk and rewriting the file fixed it. (I think DOS marks which sectors are bad so that it doesn't use those ones) < 1539026827 262889 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, DOS marks those in the FAT, in fact I think not only DOS but also that Linux tool for physical scanning of DOS floppies can do that < 1539026875 489867 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad sectors are marked in the FAT table itself, and FORMAT normally searches for them at format time unless you give the /Q option for quick format, plus DOS SCANDISK can search for such < 1539026886 341673 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same mechanism was used on old hard disks too < 1539026889 935549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also tried copying the same file onto two disks in case one didn't work. Also, auto-detection didn't fail for the second disk, although once I specified the format both disks were readable in Linux.) < 1539026912 279150 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after a while hard disks started to have ten layers of abstraction and handled physical errors on their on-board controller < 1539026918 298641 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eventually that part got useless < 1539026942 890704 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even scanned DOS RAM disks, which emulate a hard disk, for bad sectors, which is obviously ridiculous < 1539026949 956825 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the abstraction doesn't know that < 1539027072 704162 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad sector marks of FAT could be useful for putting something on a FAT disk that nothing else reading the FS will touch, although there are lots of other ways to do that < 1539027185 987305 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as putting unusual but mostly supported file system parameters to sector 1 of the fs, or just putting it in a file marked with the S attribute so that defrag software doesn't move it < 1539027225 85577 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually on a hard disk you just use a partition table, so you need that only on floppies < 1539030030 68255 :wob_jonas!b03f1862@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.98 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1539032466 250476 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric < 1539032652 340676 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1539032824 731176 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1539033642 95612 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1539034510 988451 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 QUIT :Quit: gone completely :o < 1539034526 179355 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1539034859 899852 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1539035170 763375 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf5tit6s260cpd.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1539037339 563865 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1539037573 836636 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric < 1539038953 719492 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1539038989 487867 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1539039388 392708 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host109-149-153-210.range109-149.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1539040188 820910 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:70cf:2776:6f2b:6790 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1539040857 176363 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.130.119 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1539040920 488275 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:e819:d0bc:aa6b:630e JOIN :#esoteric < 1539042141 711987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection