2018-10-01: 00:00:27 [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57809&oldid=57808 * Gamer * (-8) /* Commands */ 00:01:22 -!- Timvde21 has joined. 00:03:02 [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57810&oldid=57809 * Gamer * (-40) 00:08:10 -!- Timvde21 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:10:57 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 00:15:37 [[Dotlang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57811 * Gamer * (+308) Created page with ":''The name of the language is actually '''dotlang''' with a lowercase d, although it is typed with an uppercase D at the start of sentences. '''Dotlang''' is a two-dimensiona..." 00:16:24 -!- Guest51771 has joined. 00:16:58 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57812&oldid=57811 * Gamer * (-7) 00:22:06 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:22:30 -!- Guest51771 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:23:22 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57813&oldid=57812 * Gamer * (+400) 00:24:38 -!- Vel0city10 has joined. 00:26:18 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57814&oldid=57813 * Gamer * (+76) 00:27:00 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57815&oldid=57814 * Gamer * (+16) 00:32:56 -!- Vel0city10 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:34:02 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57816&oldid=57815 * Gamer * (+316) 00:34:26 -!- Cale has joined. 00:36:24 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:47:43 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57817&oldid=57816 * Gamer * (+261) /* Concept */ 00:48:39 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57818&oldid=57817 * Gamer * (+0) 00:52:49 -!- NDPMacBook has joined. 00:54:28 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57819&oldid=57818 * Gamer * (+414) /* Commands */ 00:56:11 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 00:58:03 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57820&oldid=57819 * Gamer * (+154) 00:58:16 -!- NDPMacBook has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:58:49 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57821&oldid=57820 * Gamer * (-17) 01:00:37 [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57822&oldid=57810 * Gamer * (+129) 01:05:18 -!- sftp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:51:54 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57823&oldid=57821 * Gamer * (+1887) 01:55:50 [[HQ9funge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57824&oldid=57822 * Gamer * (+1) 01:55:58 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57825&oldid=57823 * Gamer * (+161) 01:57:03 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57826&oldid=57825 * Gamer * (+3) 01:57:37 someone desperately needs to learn to use previews 01:58:04 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57827&oldid=57826 * Gamer * (+1) /* Implementations */ 02:00:24 -!- XorSwap has joined. 02:08:55 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57828&oldid=57793 * Oerjan * (+0) ginorst 02:10:51 since this keeps happening, i'd rather say mediawiki desperately needs to learn to _suggest_ using previews. 02:18:45 -!- XorSwap has quit (Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return.). 02:20:16 -!- Aelius1 has joined. 02:20:51 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57829&oldid=57827 * Gamer * (+984) 02:21:00 -!- puck has quit (Quit: *eh*). 02:21:04 -!- Dan-Bennett26 has joined. 02:22:00 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57830&oldid=57829 * Gamer * (+69) /* Examples */ 02:22:06 -!- Dan-Bennett26 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:22:24 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57831&oldid=57830 * Gamer * (-13) /* Truth machine */ 02:22:37 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57832&oldid=57831 * Gamer * (-4) /* Truth machine */ 02:23:30 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57833&oldid=57832 * Gamer * (+5) /* Truth machine */ 02:24:20 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57834&oldid=57833 * Gamer * (+33) /* Truth machine */ 02:24:33 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57835&oldid=57834 * Gamer * (-17) /* Truth machine */ 02:27:02 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57836&oldid=57835 * Gamer * (-44) /* Truth machine */ 02:27:18 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57837&oldid=57836 * Gamer * (-2) /* Truth machine */ 02:27:38 -!- Aelius1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:27:42 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57838&oldid=57837 * Gamer * (+3) /* Truth machine */ 02:28:05 [[Dotlang]] 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[[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57848&oldid=57847 * Gamer * (-83) /* The name of the language as a program in that language */ 02:44:27 [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57849&oldid=57848 * Gamer * (+53) /* Entropy */ 02:45:35 It look the UK government's list of file formats now includes farbfeld under fmt/1133, but a lot of the information is not filled in. 02:57:18 andrewtheircguy: you might want to use the preview button. 02:59:03 hm seems idle here, but logs imply it's the same guy. 02:59:30 -!- Zearien27 has joined. 03:04:32 -!- Zearien27 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:10:24 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57850&oldid=57845 * Gamer * (+9) ^ 03:11:18 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57851&oldid=57850 * Gamer * (+16) /* Cat */ 03:16:09 [[La We]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57852&oldid=57750 * Pelirodri * (+15) 03:18:51 [[Alphuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57853&oldid=41111 * Gamer * (+39) 03:24:14 [[(]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57854&oldid=55735 * Gamer * (-16) /* ( */ 03:28:34 [[(]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57855&oldid=57854 * Gamer * (-37) 03:30:07 [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57856&oldid=57345 * A * (+113) 03:31:46 [[APLBAONWSJAS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57857&oldid=43288 * Gamer * (+24) /* Execute */ 03:32:17 [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57858&oldid=57856 * A * (+18) /* Normal implementations */ 03:32:21 [[APLBAONWSJAS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57859&oldid=57857 * Gamer * (+19) /* Hello, world! */ 03:32:42 [[APLBAONWSJAS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57860&oldid=57859 * Gamer * (+0) /* Python interpreter */ 03:32:57 [[APLBAONWSJAS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57861&oldid=57860 * Gamer * (+0) /* Hello, world! */ 03:37:41 -!- Bakkot28 has 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(-59) /* Implementation */ 03:57:28 [[2017]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57872&oldid=52374 * Gamer * (-140) 04:00:11 [[Baby Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57873&oldid=50113 * Gamer * (+29) 04:06:02 [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57874&oldid=57849 * Gamer * (+145) 04:09:51 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57875&oldid=57851 * Gamer * (+130) 04:10:30 [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57876&oldid=57874 * Gamer * (+22) 04:20:46 [[Baz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57877&oldid=37052 * Gamer * (+91) /* Commands */ 04:23:37 [[Baz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57878&oldid=57877 * Gamer * (-13) /* Programs */ 04:25:08 [[Baz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57879&oldid=57878 * Gamer * (-14) /* Interpreter in Ruby */ 04:29:46 `coins 04:29:48 ​smissntacoin lenspecificoin bickencomiccoin platthuecoin rfoloncoin illmarylogcoin filitcoin advercoin hanocoin idlequitcoin bam1coin orookhivatcoin lambinimachecoin owncoin corkcoin fylicoin densiscoin sortsolcoin wiksundcoin changecoin 04:30:19 [[Compute]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57880&oldid=24659 * Gamer * (+1) 04:32:18 [[Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57881&oldid=54257 * Gamer * (+0) 05:01:17 -!- psykoz7 has joined. 05:06:23 -!- psykoz7 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:44:03 -!- kcrow21 has joined. 05:44:27 -!- DrTaft24 has joined. 05:45:44 -!- kcrow21 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:46:55 -!- DrTaft24 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:21:32 -!- jurislav4 has joined. 06:28:38 -!- jurislav4 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:45:50 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 06:51:34 -!- pg_docbot19 has joined. 06:57:04 GG: shit, meet fan 06:57:53 -!- pg_docbot19 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:43:29 -!- valr4 has joined. 07:50:16 -!- valr4 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:55:03 Taneb: imo you should go hth 07:55:22 shachaf: I'd rather stay 07:55:26 If that's all right 07:55:45 (I'm completely missing context here) 07:55:46 not a fan of noether's theorem? 07:55:57 ??? 07:56:20 Taneb: Are you going to John Baez's talk next week? 07:56:48 I hadn't seen that 07:57:47 It'll be in Cambridge on 07:57:53 Thu 07:58:32 Do you have a link with details? 07:58:34 It sounds interesting 07:58:39 https://twitter.com/johncarlosbaez/status/1045848789183950849 08:00:16 Might be easier for me to go to the one on Saturday in London 08:00:37 OK 08:00:59 I don't know the geography of England so I figured those were infinitely apart 08:01:11 I think it's on an island? 08:01:55 It takes me about an hour to get to London, and then another hour to get to where I want to be in London 08:02:25 So, it would take me longer to get there, but on the other hand I normally have a job on Thursday afternoons 08:05:27 hmm 08:05:37 quit your job and then go to the thing in Cambridge 08:06:10 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:06:13 quitting your job saves you a lot of time 08:22:44 I think that generators in JavaScript form two kind of monads, one with the return values and one with the yield values. Is it, or did I make some mistake? 08:26:15 zzo38: I don't follow 08:28:20 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:29:11 In the first case, fmap changes "return x" to "return f(x)" and join changes "return x" to "return yield*x", but in second case, fmap changes "yield x" to "yield f(x)" and join changes "yield x" to "yield*x". 08:29:59 Now can you follow? 08:33:14 No. I guess I don't know JavaScript generators very well. 08:33:39 -!- BillSmith4lyfe has joined. 08:34:02 -!- BillSmith4lyfe has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:36:46 -!- noc0lour_17 has joined. 08:38:01 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:38:34 -!- ineb28 has joined. 08:38:55 -!- MDead has joined. 08:41:05 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:41:57 -!- noc0lour_17 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:43:17 Cale: What was that example you gave me of a vector space without a natural basis once? I think it was you 08:44:10 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:44:10 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:44:10 -!- ineb28 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:44:20 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 08:48:27 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:49:08 shachaf: Uh, perhaps continuous functions on R? 08:49:34 Or the real numbers as a vector space over the rationals. 09:03:03 -!- Xellurat20 has joined. 09:03:37 I mean a finite-dimensional vector space 09:03:43 Maybe it was someone else? 09:08:07 -!- Xellurat20 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 09:10:23 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 09:39:37 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:45:59 -!- johnhamelinkfN has joined. 09:46:01 -!- johnhamelinkfN has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:05:15 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:11:56 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 10:15:31 -!- drags1BQ has joined. 10:15:40 -!- mbiebl has joined. 10:17:08 -!- drags1BQ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:19:58 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 10:23:03 -!- mbiebl has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:24:41 -!- arseniiv_ has left. 10:24:53 -!- arseniiv has joined. 10:27:38 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 11:49:42 -!- Guest20590 has joined. 11:51:31 -!- Guest99 has joined. 11:51:44 -!- Guest20590 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:58:12 -!- Guest99 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:59:39 -!- erkin has joined. 12:03:34 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:22:32 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:37:16 -!- CatlinmanRb has joined. 12:40:41 -!- CatlinmanRb has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:56:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:00:25 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 13:21:31 -!- sleepnap has joined. 13:28:15 -!- mjblackPw has joined. 13:28:29 -!- mjblackPw has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:39:29 -!- shbrngdocp has joined. 13:40:11 -!- shbrngdocp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:41:29 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:42:07 -!- swfufs has joined. 13:43:24 -!- swfufs has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))). 14:12:12 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:19:05 [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57882&oldid=56643 * Digital Hunter * (+189) /* Someone should change the featured language. */ 14:38:16 -!- gist_ has joined. 14:40:28 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:43:02 -!- gist_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:47:57 -!- ski has joined. 14:56:51 -!- ethfci_ has joined. 15:03:04 -!- ethfci_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:13:32 -!- PiruZu has joined. 15:20:43 -!- PiruZu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:34:26 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:38:58 -!- TM0rPh has joined. 15:42:47 -!- zacmpsXC has joined. 15:43:08 -!- zacmpsXC has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:44:41 -!- TM0rPh has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:45:39 [[HQ9funge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57883&oldid=57876 * Andrew3335 * (+47) 16:04:42 -!- bradcomp has joined. 16:25:33 -!- petervaroAb has joined. 16:26:12 -!- petervaroAb has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:28:14 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:31:40 -!- imode has joined. 16:32:56 -!- Granis` has joined. 16:38:18 -!- Granis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:46:48 [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57884&oldid=57882 * Zzo38 * (+150) 16:55:33 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:07:02 -!- logik-bombBX has joined. 17:11:34 -!- logik-bombBX has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:21:54 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57885&oldid=57875 * Gamer * (+239) 17:26:36 [[HQ9funge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57886&oldid=57883 * Gamer * (-34) 17:52:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:55:41 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:58:28 -!- john_metcalf has left. 18:21:37 In one story I heard of once (I forget the details) if some aliens will receive a television broadcast they did not know the colours because the broadcast didn't have the colours. But I said that even if they did have colours, they still likely would not know the colours, because the NTSC colour broadcasts use an encoding for the colours and if you do not decode them you can get the picture without the colours. 18:29:11 -!- imode has joined. 18:36:27 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 18:37:02 The ICFP contest results are out since last week. Save them from https://icfpcontest2018.github.io/ 18:41:26 [[La We]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57887&oldid=57852 * Pelirodri * (+13) 18:43:40 zzo38: And the same is true for PAL and SECAM signals. 18:43:58 The encoded color signals can be extracted, but it's fairly non-obvious what they mean. 18:44:12 While you can kinda guess at how the luma signal is encoded and get something coherent. 18:44:43 Especially if you happen to get a test pattern. 18:48:33 I cannot find the plot of the XYZABCDE.ZZT game in the list of plots in the All The Tropes (although there is a lot and I did not look at the details for each one). Do you know? 18:51:33 pikhq_: that's partly because those signals have some non-trivial design requirements: they make the broadcast compatible with the previous black and white television, so they put the chrominance in some extra spaces, and they make it so that there's less chrominance information, and that if the analog signal is too noisy, the TV can fall back to o 18:51:33 nly luminance or only Y+V without U 18:52:28 pikhq_: also SECAM is a deliberately esoteric format, because PAL uses the simplest method, and they made SECAM deliberately different so that people couldn't easily modify their SECAM televisions to watch PAL broadcasts from the west. 18:53:11 O, is that why SECAM is difference? I did not know 18:53:19 That's kinda false. SECAM is *French*. 18:53:42 That is why Soviet block countries adopted it, but the standard is Western. 18:53:51 They also had other methods to detect people who watched PAL broadcasts, and pretty cool ones, mind you: they could detect the station with the back of the television turned in a room from outside the window just by checking the correlation of the brightness of the room as time changes to every channel they could access. 18:54:44 pikhq_: that's not a problem, they didn't want to stop the west from seeing SECAM television broadcasts, only the reverse 18:55:10 Yes, it's just that that desire isn't *why* SECAM is the way it is. 18:55:39 SECAM is the way it is for just more arbitrary nationalist reasons. 18:55:44 pikhq_: why is it harder to decode than PAL then? 18:56:33 Because Henri de France felt the more complex scheme gave better results. 18:57:13 Thus, Séquentiel couleur à mémoire is more complex. 18:57:46 I hear the simple method of putting a transparent film on the TV screen, colored blue on the top and green at the bottom, gave acceptible results for watching football matches. 18:58:01 Should be noted, for France there was already a compatibility issue: France used positive, rather than negative, luma modulation. 18:58:29 So you couldn't really tune foreign TV signals *anyways*. 18:58:34 Grayscale television is why football judges wore black-white striped uniform for a while, and the two teams colored and white shirts respectively. They changed that by now. 18:58:45 The white shirts are still mostly there, but the striped uniform is gone. 18:59:22 pikhq_: the better, that just means with your SECAM TVs, you couldn't watch western TV stations even in greyscale 18:59:29 (The start of the plot of this game is that your wing suddenly broke while flying to Mornington Crescent, and so you have to get your wing fixed and reach Mornington Crescent, but they put all stuff in the way and hid the keys all everywhere, and some people hate this kind of monsters characters anyways, too; but you can also achieve other stuff such as fixing a computer in the Pokemon center and uncovering police corruption.) 18:59:32 wob_jonas: French was Western. 18:59:35 Erm, France 18:59:44 And the positive mdoulation thing was *just* French. 18:59:51 No other SECAM users do it that way. 19:00:02 pikhq_: oh, so that wasn't used for the rest of the SECAM users? that's strange 19:00:06 Yep! 19:00:08 so there were four formats, not three? 19:00:09 wow 19:00:39 Actually, rather a lot more. PAL-over-RF is modulated subtly different from country to country. 19:01:10 eww 19:01:31 There's like 7 or 8 distinct broadcast TV systems, with 3 ways color can be done. 19:01:43 I mean, there were already two different FM *radio* spectrum bands, one for west and one for east. 19:02:03 But we no longer use the eastern one. 19:02:26 We only use one of the FM, and one of the three AM bands. 19:02:40 For instance, Brazil uses PAL-M, and Laos uses SECAM-M. Which is compatible with all NTSC TVs, but only in black and white. 19:03:14 (there's only one NTSC system) 19:03:19 And the difference is in video, not the audio, right? 19:03:44 The audio varies between FM and AM, and with a different subcarrier based on the system. 19:04:36 Yeah, but people already had FM radios by that time, and I think the FM radio system is even somewhat compatible with the TV one, except maybe it needs an extra diode for polarity duplex or whatever magic that is.. 19:04:43 I don't really understand how that works. 19:07:07 And all this is ignoring the weirdo historical formats, like France's 737i scheme, and the UK's 377i scheme. 19:14:59 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 19:21:09 -!- ZekeSgG has joined. 19:23:15 -!- sftp has joined. 19:26:47 -!- ZekeSgG has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:32:00 -!- fish___so has joined. 19:32:52 -!- fish___so has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:33:53 Yeah, but people already had FM radios by that time, and I think the FM radio system is even somewhat compatible with the TV one, except maybe it needs an extra diode for polarity duplex or whatever 19:33:55 what? 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I think deleting the "DB 3Dh"s can get rid of 3 bytes in your code. --[[User:A]] 12:37 2018/10/2" 04:49:43 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 04:51:56 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:05:03 -!- moei has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:05:35 -!- moei has joined. 05:15:28 -!- mcraneci has joined. 05:17:57 -!- mcraneci has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:41:54 the whiteboard comic seems to have expired its domain or something. 05:43:03 or possible just a bad server 05:43:06 *y 05:45:09 -!- lavalikegL has joined. 05:49:44 -!- lavalikegL has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:13:51 -!- Masorueda has joined. 06:20:35 -!- Masorueda has quit (K-Lined). 06:44:43 -!- tharkunMV has joined. 06:50:43 -!- tharkunMV has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:01:44 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:01:59 -!- tromp has joined. 07:30:09 -!- danielm has joined. 07:31:09 -!- GeekDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:32:45 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[[Surtic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57897&oldid=57667 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* S */ I feel like this would make more sense, since to keep it consistent with the preceding function it should have it that the referenced cell variable is the one that is inside parentheses and the first cell is the one doing stuff 14:47:53 -!- mylesborinspk has joined. 14:48:08 -!- mylesborinspk has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:57:00 stupid scanner wouldn't write any metadata into the file besides the resolution. how am I supposed to easily figure out what settings to set on the scanner if I don't want to get such terrible quality images then? 14:57:22 do I have to write everything I enter in the check boxes myself? isn't the software supposed to be able to do that sort of thing for me? 14:58:42 -!- Circlefusion has joined. 14:59:44 also, why was it scanning in only 200 dpi when I tried to set it to 300 dpi? 15:00:49 -!- Circlefusion has quit (Remote host closed the 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timeout: 260 seconds). 00:55:20 Or C-ish, with support for something resembling tuples. 00:55:30 And also structs (for keyword arguments) and so on. 00:55:39 But I haven't worked out the details, you should help me do that. 01:00:46 <\oren\> I mean basically in C the declaration void f(struct {int x; int y;} p); would replace void f(int x, int y); 01:01:34 Right, but what sort of type inference thing would you have? 01:02:27 If you write something like f((blah, {.x = 5, .y = 8}));, do you need to know the type of f to figure out the type of the expression? 01:03:07 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 01:03:21 -!- Guest7434 has joined. 01:05:38 -!- olsner has joined. 01:06:02 -!- languitarhb has joined. 01:06:15 <\oren\> well in C structs with the same member types in the same order are interconvertible 01:07:07 So you're suggesting there'd be an implicit conversion from the inferred type for the struct to the type that f accepts? 01:07:21 I was thinking along those lines. 01:07:23 <\oren\> but 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No spoilers please. I've only read a few pages yet, but I'm already captivated by Smullyan's unique style. If you read his other pop-sci books, you'll know what I'm talking about, otherwise I can't really describe it. 19:46:39 I like Smullyan. 19:50:15 I have five of his other books on my bookshelf, and have read parts of two others, but this particular book was never translated to Hungarian, which is why I hadn't read it before. 19:50:57 -!- Guest92310 has joined. 19:51:15 Also, Raymond Smullyan died on 2017-02-06. Rest in peace. Smullyan, we'll never see anyone equal to you. 19:52:14 Hmm, let me check how exactly the Lewis Carol book phrases that. 19:52:59 s/Lewis Carol/Lewis Caroll/ 19:55:24 -!- Guest92310 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:57:26 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking-Glass,_and_What_Alice_Found_There/Chapter_VII 19:58:46 > "There's nothing like eating hay when you're faint," he remarked to her, as he munched away. / "I should think throwing cold water over you would be better," Alice suggested: "——or some sal-volatile." / "I didn't say there was nothing *better*," the King replied. "I said there was nothing *like* it." Which Alice did not venture to deny. 19:58:48 :1:72: error: parse error on input ‘,’ 20:09:05 I thought of some kind of chess variant, "get out of the way" chess variant. After you move one piece, if it does not put or leave either player in check, you may optionally make a second move, but the second move must be a different piece (still your own piece though), and must be a move that would not be possible if the first piece hadn't moved out of the way, and can't put anyone in check. 20:09:46 [[Chicken]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57918&oldid=57901 * Oerjan * (-2133) Undo revision 57901 by [[Special:Contributions/Golfist|Golfist]] ([[User talk:Golfist|talk]]) (Copyvio) 20:12:14 zzo38: hehe, you came at the right time, mentioning such a chess variant when I was just talking about Smullyan 20:14:12 OK 20:20:51 [[Special:Log/delete]] revision * Oerjan * Oerjan changed visibility of a revision on page [[Chicken]]: content hidden: Copyright violation 20:21:16 zzo38: just out of curiosity, have you read some of Smullyan's writings? 20:21:25 s/some/any/ 20:22:44 (Yeah, ok. I keep arguing that English and French and Hungarian uses articles practically the same way, so if you know one well then the use of articles in the other two languages should be easy to learn, but that mistake above proves me wrong.) 20:24:01 I wanted to, but have not ever done so I think 20:24:04 [[Chicken]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57919&oldid=57918 * Oerjan * (+24) Looks dead 20:24:46 zzo38: I'm not saying you have to, they're rather strange books and I can understand if someone doesn't like them, I'm just curios. 20:25:02 I don't know, because I have not read it. 20:25:03 s/curios/curious/ 20:30:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 20:38:18 Is there a Haskell implementation in JavaScript that is independent of the host environment? 20:42:40 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:45:36 [[Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57920&oldid=57905 * Amicloud * (+5) /* befunge93.js */ 20:56:44 -!- asilluron_ has joined. 21:00:17 -!- asilluron_ has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))). 21:12:31 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 21:17:10 -!- phragment has joined. 21:17:11 -!- phragment has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:17:50 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:18:22 -!- tromp has joined. 22:00:29 -!- sprocklem has joined. 22:00:56 -!- sleepnap has left. 22:06:48 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:07:04 -!- tromp has joined. 22:16:35 -!- bradcomp has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2). 22:26:51 -!- Fleetwood has joined. 22:32:19 -!- Fleetwood has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:34:27 -!- X-darkWg has joined. 22:43:09 -!- X-darkWg has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:43:42 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:48:44 So the magic (?) of lvalues in C is that they reliably decay to rvalues in most contexts. 22:48:56 Except e.g. as the operand of = or & 22:49:26 That's different from automatic dereferencing like in ALGOL 68 23:16:51 -!- Guest91395 has joined. 23:18:10 -!- Guest91395 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:33:06 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:33:41 -!- tromp has joined. 23:35:07 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 2018-10-04: 00:14:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:51:38 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:59:56 -!- sprocklem has quit (Quit: brb). 01:00:15 -!- sprocklem has joined. 01:01:14 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 01:05:03 -!- Hoolootwo has changed nick to Hooloovo0. 01:05:03 -!- mniip has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds). 01:17:51 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * JonoCode9374 * New user account 01:22:21 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57921&oldid=57915 * JonoCode9374 * (+167) Introduced myself 02:43:48 -!- SpitfirerX has joined. 02:44:43 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Levistep32 * New user account 02:47:39 -!- SpitfirerX has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:53:20 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57922&oldid=57921 * Levistep32 * (+165) 02:54:15 [[User:Levistep32]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57923 * Levistep32 * (+112) Created page with "Hi, I'm '''levistep32'''! I like esolangs, especially Brainfuck and Chef. 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Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words. 16:28:39 ay, whats up 16:34:37 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:07:16 [[BFC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57927&oldid=57624 * Sinthorion * (+28) 17:08:40 [[BFC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57928&oldid=57927 * Sinthorion * (+128) 17:24:34 -!- sleepnap has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:35:31 -!- heroux_ has joined. 18:01:51 -!- alixirnd has joined. 18:05:21 -!- alixirnd has quit (K-Lined). 18:16:23 -!- Hooloovo0 has quit (Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.). 18:18:04 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:19:50 -!- AniarAp has joined. 18:20:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:20:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 18:20:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:21:18 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:22:35 -!- AniarAp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:26:32 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 18:27:26 -!- dannf has joined. 18:29:01 -!- dannf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:35:48 -!- doesntthiswork has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!). 18:50:14 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 18:53:24 -!- sleepnap has joined. 19:16:25 -!- patap0nXe has joined. 19:19:44 -!- patap0nXe has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:51:06 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:01:12 -!- olsner has joined. 20:31:04 -!- dequeues has joined. 20:32:39 -!- dequeues has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:41:53 Do you know anything about the "smart port" used to connect hotel television sets to the "TV interface module" boxes? By observation over time I have figured what things the protocol is probably capable of, which includes changing the channel, displaying the TV's menu, turning the TV on/off, and intercepting IR signals; I do not know if anything else. At least some models seem to support "numeric select mode". 20:46:46 (I tried disconnecting it in order to use the external inputs, but it did not work. I tried figuring out how to perform a factory reset on that model of TV set, but apparently it requires a special remote control.) 20:47:38 -!- weustiQ has joined. 20:50:01 (The menu did include a setting to switch the audio input, but there was no video input setting. It also lacked aspect ratio settings (or any other picture settings), and the only settings for captions is which caption to display, not the font styles or anything like that.) 20:52:34 The device I was trying to connect was a Raspberry Pi computer. I tried to determine if Raspberry Pi supports CEC. Apparently it does, although that program is not installed by default (and it is difficult to install it if the display cannot be connected). 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I did some Un-cards such as, you must rip this card in half as you draft it, and one card "bands with other creatures having at least as much faith as this one" 06:00:42 faith? 06:02:09 It is meaningless, but that card also has the "faith-healing" keyword ability (which is not defined anywhere, because it is a priest of the future who has not even been invented yet, presumably) 06:02:26 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:06:09 And one card has "blanding" (this creature is less interesting than the other creatures). 06:09:02 One card (suggested by my brother) is "In A Band With Others": When enchanted creature attacks as part of a band including other creatures too, then the active player must sing a song for the entire duration of the attack. Damage is not dealt until song is completed. 06:13:43 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 06:17:17 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.). 06:19:43 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 06:23:40 -!- vikikas has joined. 06:29:01 -!- vikikas has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:32:05 [[Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57934&oldid=54651 * A * (+22) bf core 06:47:45 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:48:00 -!- tromp has joined. 06:49:43 What is the legal defence if you asked someone who has stolen someone else's pig for the pig back, and they refuse several times, and then you go in and get it (ending up killing people who are attacking you to get it) and a wheelbarrow (to carry the pig) and bring it back to its rightful owner, who then returns the wheelbarrow? 07:08:35 I think the parenthetical bit where you kill the people might be a bit problematic. 07:10:30 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:11:05 -!- Sgeo has joined. 08:21:05 -!- suddenDm has joined. 08:26:59 -!- suddenDm has quit (K-Lined). 08:31:24 -!- Cmp|Z420 has joined. 08:31:58 -!- Cmp|Z420 has quit (K-Lined). 08:33:29 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 08:35:02 zzo38: "the only settings for captions is which caption to display, not the font styles or anything like that" => 08:35:03 AFAIK, at least on DVD video formats, captions are included as some sort of compressed bitmap image, not text. This was done because back when the first DVD players appeared, they were really primitive, and they didn't want to guarantee that they have a font rendering support for all current and future script, including ones that require tricky eng 08:35:03 ines. 08:36:05 These days people also use captions as time-tagged text in a separate file for videos played on a computer, mostly to allow fan-made English captions for anime. 08:36:49 I can't help with your original caption on hotel TV connection. 08:37:38 zzo38: "What other Magic: the Gathering cards do you like to make up (both Un-cards and proper cards)?" => there's a few I mentioned in the logs. 08:41:26 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:41:28 My favorite is still this old one that is probably balanced and non-un but probably won't be published in an official set. Name not known yet; Mana cost: 1W; Type: Enchantment Aura; Text: Enchant creature / All permanents have protection from enchanted creature. 08:42:18 zzo38: re "bands with other creatures having at least as much faith as this one" => That's made for the new "bands with" rule, right? 08:45:23 zzo38: re stolen pig, I don't know the answer, but perhaps look at http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=871 and following comics for at least a partial answer in the U.S. 08:55:48 zzo38: on the more practical side of the stolen pig: (1) don't do that; (2) if you've done that or are seriously planning to do that, get a lawyer; (3) if your pig is stolen, you asked for it and they don't give it back, you still want the pig back, and you can convince others that it's probably your pig, then report that to the police. 08:56:58 If you know where the pig is, the police can likely help you to get it back. 09:39:24 Argh! I'd like to name a readme file such that it's sorted first in many directory listing sort methods people generally use, and the files in this directory have names like "img7556-*.jpg" and "P1*.JPG". "00README.1ST" would work and is a common convention (or used to be) but is so ugly that I don't want to use it. 09:39:40 The best method may be to rename all those other files. 09:41:07 Yeah, that's what I'll do, rename the files to more reasonable names. 09:41:46 I won't do 8.3 names because we're finally past the time when that matters (in most situations), but I still won't use very long names, because I hate those. 10:26:49 -!- y6ty has joined. 10:29:01 -!- y6ty has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:31:15 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:37:46 yup, I renamed them all 10:49:42 And named the file readme.txt 10:50:36 which still isn't perfect, because if you sort by _extension_ (which isn't rare), then that file is last, after the *.jpg, but I don't care about that 11:42:24 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 11:43:48 -!- Essadon has joined. 11:51:00 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:05:16 -!- howlymowly has joined. 12:06:56 -!- howlymowly has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:10:52 [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57935&oldid=57933 * A * (-64) 12:24:30 -!- voss has joined. 12:24:43 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:36:10 -!- xkapastel has joined. 12:36:25 -!- Sgeo has joined. 12:43:37 -!- Guest34767 has joined. 12:47:08 -!- Guest34767 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:01:39 wob_jonas: just start the file name with a space :P 13:02:29 > ls 13:02:29 ' README' img1 13:02:31 error: 13:02:31 • Variable not in scope: ls 13:02:31 • Perhaps you meant one of these: 13:02:42 lambdabot: sorry 13:02:45 @botsnack 13:02:45 :) 13:06:44 int-e: yes, that can be funny. windows 10 File Explorer's version-sort sorts such a filename before other filenames because of the space, but if you try to rename it in File Explorer by removing the space but changing nothing else, it refuses saying that "The source and destination filenames are the same", 13:07:49 despite that the filenames aren't the same according to the file system, and that File Explorer allows renames that differ only in uppercase vs lowercase, which are the same according to the file system. 13:08:12 File Explorer is strange: it refuses you to rename files to start with a dot, despite that the file system and the "REN" builtin of cmd allows such renames. 13:08:30 -!- xniegabe has joined. 13:08:50 -!- OS-16517 has joined. 13:09:12 And if you try to rename a file to start with a space in File Explorer, it silently strips the space and does the rename that way. 13:10:30 -!- xniegabe has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:13:34 -!- OS-16517 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:15:56 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 13:21:48 -!- shiinko has joined. 13:23:36 -!- shiinko has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:29:57 -!- sleepnap has joined. 13:33:02 -!- dudzUN has joined. 13:39:42 -!- dudzUN has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:42:17 -!- XorSwap has joined. 14:06:50 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:15:14 [[Rockstar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57936&oldid=57930 * Dylanbeattie * (-7) /* Implementations */ 14:22:29 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 14:23:19 zzo38 and others: this one is a week old but hasn't been posted yet: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/guilds-ravnica-update-bulletin-2018-09-28 M:tG Guilds of Ravnica Update Bulletin 14:23:26 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 14:30:47 [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57937&oldid=57885 * Andrew3335 * (-142) 15:10:58 -!- gambl0re has joined. 15:13:35 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:14:40 wtf? they printed a sunburst creature in Guilds of Ravnica? without mentioning "sunburst"? wow 15:17:10 -!- gambl0re has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:28:55 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:30:57 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 15:31:16 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 15:34:43 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:36:11 zzo38: ouch. http://magiccards.info just redirects to scryfall now. that's sad, because magiccards.info was actually better in some things. but then, these M:tG card databases are hard to keep up to date, so I can understand it. so now we have only scryfall and yawgatog, besides Wizards' own terrible site. 15:36:53 zzo38: that makes it more important to scrape all that data, repeat that four times a year, and save local copies of everything 15:38:01 zzo38: do you collect and publish the comp rules and card history anywhere currently? 15:39:51 `fetch http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt share/mtg/MagicCompRules-20181005.txt 15:39:52 http:/media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt: No such file or directory 15:40:23 `fetch share/mtg/MagicCompRules-20181005.txt http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt 15:40:24 2018-10-05 15:40:23 URL:http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt [707789/707789] -> "share/mtg/MagicCompRules-20181005.txt" [1] 15:41:46 `fetch share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip https://yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/All%20Sets-2018-05-21.zip 15:41:49 2018-10-05 15:41:48 URL:https://yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/All%20Sets-2018-05-21.zip [825483/825483] -> "share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip" [1] 15:41:59 `unzip share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip 15:42:00 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unzip: not found 15:42:06 `gunzip share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip 15:42:06 gzip: share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored 15:42:17 `gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip 15:42:18 gzip: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `gzip --help' for more information. 15:42:25 ``` gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip 15:42:26 ​"Ach! Hans, Run!" \ 2RRGG \ Enchantment \ At the beginning of your upkeep, you may say "Ach! Hans, run! It's the . . ." and the name of a creature card. If you do, search your library for a card with that name, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. That creature gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. \ UNH-R \ \ "Rumors of My Death . . ." \ 2B \ Enchantment \ {3}{B}, Exile a permanent you control with a League of 15:42:38 ``` gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip > allsets-2018-05-21.txt 15:42:39 No output. 15:43:12 ``` rm -v allsets-*.txt; gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip > share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.txt 15:43:14 removed 'allsets-2018-05-21.txt' 15:43:27 ``` wc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.txt 15:43:27 ​ 131997 588226 3552253 share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.txt 15:43:45 ``` ln -s allsets-2018-05-21.txt share/mtg/allsets.txt 15:43:46 ln: failed to create symbolic link 'share/mtg/allsets.txt': File exists 15:43:51 ``` ln -sf allsets-2018-05-21.txt share/mtg/allsets.txt 15:43:53 No output. 15:44:02 `card-by-name coiling oracle 15:44:04 Coiling Oracle \ GU \ Creature -- Snake Elf Druid \ 1/1 \ When Coiling Oracle enters the battlefield, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put that card into your hand. \ DIS-C, C15-C, CN2-U, C16-C, MM3-C, DDO-C 15:44:12 `card-by-name Chamber Sentry 15:44:13 No output. 15:44:55 `card-by-name skyscanner 15:44:55 No output. 15:46:16 `card-by-name shivan fire 15:46:17 Shivan Fire \ R \ Instant \ Kicker {4} (You may pay an additional {4} as you cast this spell.) \ Shivan Fire deals 2 damage to target creature. If this spell was kicked, it deals 4 damage to that creature instead. \ DOM-C 15:46:45 hmm, so yawgatog doesn't even have the M2019 set yet 15:47:11 or Core set 2019 or whatever that's called 15:54:08 -!- gigoCM has joined. 15:58:02 -!- gigoCM has quit (K-Lined). 16:06:19 `card-by-name evolving wilds 16:06:19 Evolving Wilds \ Land \ {T}, Sacrifice Evolving Wilds: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. \ ROE-C, CMD-C, DKA-C, M13-C, C13-C, M15-C, C14-C, DTK-C, MM2-C, ORI-C, BFZ-C, C15-C, CN2-C, C16-C, AKH-C, CMA-C, C17-C, IMA-C, RIX-C, DDH-C, DDK-C, DDN-C, DDO-C, DDP-C 16:06:23 `card-by-name terramorphic expanse 16:06:23 Terramorphic Expanse \ Land \ {T}, Sacrifice Terramorphic Expanse: Search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then shuffle your library. \ TSP-C, 10E-C, M10-C, HOP-C, ARC-C, M11-C, CMD-C, PC2-C, MMA-C, C13-C, C14-C, C15-C, C16-C, PCA-C, CMA-C, C17-C, DDE-C, DDH-C, DDN-C, H09-C 16:07:38 zzo38: ^ apparently the text difference is now fixed in Gatherer. let me try to find out when they did that. 16:09:22 Interesting. It doesn't seem to be mentioned in any of the recent Update Bulletins, despite that it must have changed recently, since they still differ in Yawgatog. 16:15:50 zzo38: the strange part is that both cards have printed versions with the dot and with the comma. The latest printed versions and the most recent oracle text has the comma. 16:25:47 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 16:44:01 -!- voss has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:55:04 I have now downloaded the new rules. 16:58:20 -!- michchapmv has joined. 16:59:42 -!- michchapmv has quit (K-Lined). 17:02:27 -!- erkin has joined. 17:13:37 I am not going to to the stuff with the stolen pig of course though; it is for a game. Those attackers who prevented us are not necessarily dead but probably are, but they were attacking with crossbow and hatchet. (Actually, one of us stole the arrows from the crossbow too.) 17:45:19 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:03:30 [[User:DMC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57938&oldid=57482 * DMC * (+7) 18:10:36 [[Talk:Binaryfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57939&oldid=36330 * DMC * (+69) 18:18:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:18:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 18:18:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:32:47 -!- xkapastel has joined. 18:42:49 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 18:44:22 From an automatic email response: "We process customer contacts in the order they are received" wait what? 18:44:24 Isn't such a guarantee silly to make in case you want to grow your customer service department to more than one person working independently at the same time? In fact, since this is a large organization, I suspect the sentence is already a lie because customer support is already bigger than that. 18:45:22 Computer scientists have already ran into that problem a few times when they started optimizing CPUs or compilers but wanted to keep various guarantees the old documentation promised or the old code assumed. 18:46:07 Mind you, there's an even worse version, the one where you are not only guaranteed to process requests in order, but also assign them sequential ID numbers without gaps or the lowest currently unused descriptor number. 18:46:27 "process" might mean something weaker 18:47:04 Maybe there's one customer queue and customers are "processed" by passing them to a person 18:47:31 shachaf: sure, it might mean that they only _start_ to process my request, and if it is a request that requires a longer time to solve then they'll respond to me and put it into background. 18:47:46 Maybe they don't call that processing anymore. 18:48:15 shachaf: but if the meaning of "process" is practically nothing, then why put that sentence there at all? 18:49:20 The phrasing I find very strange is "your request will be processed in the order it was received" 18:50:44 I recall linux has had some minor trouble on multi-threaded programs because unix and SUSV and POSIX guarantees that new file descriptions always get the lowest free natural number as their ID, and there are now pseudo-file-descriptors for all sorts of resources a process can hold, and each thread can create or dup new file descriptors or close exi 18:50:44 sting ones. 18:51:13 -!- sleepnap has left. 18:51:36 Silly guarantee. 18:51:52 So you may have to lock across multiple CPUs at the same time for that, which very rarely causes a problem, but is nevertheless entirely silly, because no sane program actually wants to rely on that behavior across multiple threads, but it's still too late to change the guarantee now. 18:53:35 Multithreading can sometimes cause many problems if you do these kind of thing within multiple threads. 18:53:49 And a few programs rely on that behavior to close and reopen some of the low 3 file descriptions (stdin, stdout, stderr), 18:54:04 even though they could just open the new descriptor and then dup2 instad, but you can't easily fix existing programs. 18:56:22 In fact, many health care institutions specifically have signs that they *do not* guarantee to process patients in the order they arrive; and even more mundane places like banks or in-person customer service centers that have a queuing ticket machine print a warning to the ticket that customers aren't necessarily called in the order of the number o 18:56:23 n the ticket. 18:57:48 The signs are there to have something to point at if someone gets upset that they're attended to later than someone who has arrived after them. In health care institutions, this is necessary because different patients can have different priority, and in other institutions, it's usually because not all employees can handle all types of requests so t 18:57:48 here are multiple intermixed queues. 18:58:11 In both cases there can also be some parallelism, but that alone isn't the reason for the signs. 18:58:38 Some health care wards also have specific signs for what specific cases let you jump to the front of the queue. 19:00:03 These can include emergencies, patients with transplants that are on immune suppressants, patients that have to return very often, and cases that are handled very quickly. 19:01:03 Some wards also have rules for which cases are when you don't have to ask for an appointment time in advance, when they usually have queues longer than a week but let a few urgent patients skip that. 19:01:14 This can apply even to non-emergency cases. 19:04:53 The strangest case is traumatology, which apparently only has two levels with nothing between: urgent care traumatology called “baleseti sebészet” (approx. accident surgery), which means that some hospital has an urgent care center taking patients any time, even at night or holidays, and you can enter without asking for an appointment any time, tho 19:04:53 ugh they have different priorities among people who arrive; 19:06:14 and non-urgent care, in a completely different department called “ortopédia”, for which you need an appointment with a waiting list of often a month, and is open only on weekday working hours. 19:07:40 Most other branches of healthcare have urgent and non-urgent outpatient care at the same department, so during the opening hour of the non-urgent care, urgent cases go to the same place as non-urgent cases, though they might be able to jump the queue. 19:08:10 Although admittedly some brances don't have urgent care at all. 19:10:01 And since in many cases, you are restricted in which hospital or ward you can use by where you live, and the restriction depends on whether it's in normal opening hours or not, in practice for most people there are departments where they have to go to entirely different hospitals or wards for urgent care. 19:12:59 The most clear example is maxillofacial surgery (orthodental surgery): at any one time outside working hours there is only one non-private hospital open for urgent maxillofacial surgical care in the entire Budapest, and this role cycles between three hospitals by a very complicated schedule; but a lot of different hospitals have a non-urgent outpat 19:13:00 ient maxillofacial surgery department open on normal working hours. 19:14:05 "normal" in a somewhat relaxed sense, the exact hours a non-urgent outpatient hospital department is open can be strange, but it's definitely only on workdays and never during the night. 19:16:24 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:16:33 -!- EvilDMPzp has joined. 19:17:03 -!- EvilDMPzp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:20:27 Also, workdays, sign. Between 1991 and approximately 2006, workdays were simple. Every day is a worday unless it's a Saturday, Sunday, falls on any of the calendar dates --01-01, --03-15, --05-01, --08-20, --10-23, --11-01, --12-25, --12-26, or the Monday after Easter or the Monday after Pentecost. 19:23:39 but since approximately 2007, they started modifying this by adding between zero and five inclusive pairs of swapped workdays per year, where a certain Saturday is a workday despite the previous rule, but in balance, a certain weekday (which is either a Monday or Friday adjacent to a normal non-workday, or is on --12-24 or --12-31) is not a workday 19:23:39 . Also, since 2017, the Friday before Easter is an additional non-working day. 19:25:56 And the bad part is that the swapped workdays are announced by the government only late in the previous calendar year. They've been doing such an announcement separately for like ten years now. Why can't they just make up their mind and write a law that defines them in every future year (until they change that law)? 19:31:17 It seems that --10-23 was added as a state holiday in 1990, so the system was unchanged from 1990 to 2009, but I'm not sure about the 2009. 19:32:29 I guess the 1990 makes sense. That's a law they wanted to make quickly. 19:35:08 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)). 19:37:57 there's a beeping sound somewhere, but it's rare and (so far) unpredictable so i haven't found the source yet. i hope it's not the laptop. 19:38:04 hm now there were several. 19:39:20 i have a troubling hunch that it only happens when i'm typing. 19:39:49 somehow read typing as dying there 19:40:42 If *I* started a country, then I'd make most of the non-weekend state holidays moving around according to some weighted pseudorandom procedure, in such a way that they can fall on basically any calendar day, but some are bunched up to form four adjacent non-workdays, and you can compute their dates with a simple deterministic publically documented 19:40:42 algorithm, so anyone can plan in advance for holidays for as long in the future as the government or Earth's rotation exists, whichever is shorter. 19:41:52 Then I'd still have the government declare next year's holidays in the previous year, but not their set of dates, but what each holiday is officially a memorial or celebration or grieving for, though that is only for informational purposes, not mandatory. 19:43:30 Then if we want to incorporate a holiday for some event, then like every five years while we still think that thing is relevant enoguh to have a memorial for, we name one of the holidays from the event, even though the date of the holiday was known to be a non-workday long ago, possibly before that event. 19:49:24 hm testing by typing nonsense with the laptop off to the side seems a bit inconclusive. i think it might be an interaction with my tinnitus. 19:52:03 oerjan: what OS and relevant software is the laptop running? can the beeping be coming from outside your house? is it single beeps, or a reuglar pattern of two or more beeps with less than a few seconds between? 19:52:58 it's not my washing machine, is it? /me goes to check 19:53:41 nope, not my washing machine, and not my oven clock 19:53:55 oerjan: could it be an alert from an irc client or other chat thingy? 19:55:27 -!- MDude has joined. 19:57:26 hm there it was again, that's _not_ a tinnitus sound. 19:57:56 oerjan: must be me pinging you in irc 19:57:59 and didn't really happen when i was typing. 19:58:18 oerjan: check your chat cilent 19:58:25 i have no beeping set for irc. 19:58:58 it's also _not_ the kind of sound a computer would make on purpose. 19:59:01 yes, but my keyboard is clicky 19:59:30 maybe you're hearing the clicky sounds distorted by IRC 19:59:59 it _does_ remind me of the time some years back when the oven heat detector started nagging for new batteries. but i think that sound was different. 20:00:09 * oerjan swats wob_jonas -----### 20:00:35 the swatter is out of practice, and this seemed like a good opportunity. 20:00:59 oh i was going to write down the times. 20:01:05 * wob_jonas becomes flat _______ 20:02:01 seems to be 20 minutes since the last one. if that's regular, i should be able to prepare to triangulate. 20:02:35 although i'm pretty sure there were several in a row last time 20:03:06 i'm still quite ready to blame the neighbor or some other device if i can just get a clear direction that's _not_ towards my laptop. 20:04:04 the most recent one _did_ sound like it could be the kitchen 20:05:48 in the old days, I'd say remove the battery from your laptop and if you still get the sound more than 30 seconds after that, then it's not the laptop. these days laptops are so complicated and have extra batteries inside that are used for things other than keeping a wall clock running that I wouldn't swear that works. 20:07:36 well i haven't heard it with the laptop off yet. 20:07:51 and also i didn't hear it earlier today when i was using it. 20:08:51 also i was going to make some food -> 20:11:30 oerjan: but if you make food then you'll get noises from the kitchen that mask the beeps, or even beeps from kitchen implements 20:11:43 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 20:11:46 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:13:57 laptops are easy in that they can be removed from the flat. 20:16:41 -!- tromp has joined. 20:21:03 the only relevant kitchen implement is the fridge. 20:21:31 which is indeed noisy. anyway, i didn't hear anything around the 20 min mark. 20:24:18 This is the stuff about the game with stealing back the stolen pig: http://zzo38computer.org/gurpsgame/1.ui/wiki?name=Session+16 20:24:27 [[Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57940&oldid=57934 * Oerjan * (-22) Undo revision 57934 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) (Irrelevant mention in a section that is about initial implementations.) 20:25:19 Do you like this? 20:25:32 there it was again. 20:26:41 * oerjan isn't patient enough for this irregular waiting. 20:26:45 I do not know what noise that is either, I think. Did you try the refrigerator? Mine sometimes beeps 20:26:56 hm once more. 20:27:38 needs more data collection. 20:28:12 Maybe you can write it down 20:28:24 i am. 20:29:43 now it seems to be about once a minute. 20:30:53 Put the data into the computer so that it can be analyzed. 20:35:43 annoyingly, as soon as i tried doing something different, the every-minute row stopped. 21:26:58 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 21:31:55 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * JonoCode9374 * uploaded "[[File:Hello World MineFriff.png]]" 21:42:49 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * JonoCode9374 * uploaded "[[File:Fizzbuzz.png]]" 21:48:32 get a binaural microphone to triangulate the source of any unusual sounds 21:52:48 [[MineFriff]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57943 * JonoCode9374 * (+11277) Added MineFriff Esolang 21:53:57 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 21:54:13 wow, there are now micro SD cards of 400 GB capacity 21:54:18 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57944&oldid=57929 * JonoCode9374 * (+16) 21:55:41 and apparently also micro SD cards of 1 MB capacity. 21:55:56 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57945&oldid=57943 * JonoCode9374 * (+91) 21:56:36 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57946&oldid=57945 * JonoCode9374 * (+17) 21:57:01 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57947&oldid=57946 * JonoCode9374 * (+25) 21:57:15 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57948&oldid=57947 * JonoCode9374 * (+0) 22:03:31 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:06:27 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:34:45 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 22:35:26 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:41:43 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 22:48:45 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:49:19 -!- tromp has joined. 22:58:27 -!- youamkK has joined. 22:59:03 -!- youamkK has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:14:30 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 23:27:51 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:45:57 `? bfjoust 23:45:58 bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric. 23:46:08 `grWp bfjoust 23:46:09 bfjoust:bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric. \ minpoijjikop:Minpoijjikop bfjoustioppl sdardqwcasf uyvjhyb mipjkpmo. 23:46:17 `grWp hill 23:46:18 No output. 23:46:22 ^prefixes 23:46:22 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 23:46:58 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:47:15 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:53:09 -!- edwinbalanirQ has joined. 23:56:01 -!- edwinbalanirQ has quit (K-Lined). 2018-10-06: 00:47:34 -!- RaptorsEj has joined. 00:48:11 -!- RaptorsEj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:30:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:37:22 Did you read it? 01:38:59 https://github.com/dpiponi/quine-central 01:43:39 -!- dragetCT has joined. 01:44:02 -!- dragetCT has quit (K-Lined). 02:03:30 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:28:30 -!- joast has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:31:40 -!- joast has joined. 03:26:57 -!- moei has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 04:45:21 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57949&oldid=57922 * Salpynx * (+520) 04:46:30 [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57950&oldid=57675 * Salpynx * (+28) /* External resources */ update external link 05:12:10 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:15:31 [[User:Salpynx]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57951 * Salpynx * (+1035) working on + interests 05:15:42 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 05:33:36 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:41:49 -!- moei has joined. 06:22:30 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:03:34 -!- XorSwap has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:05:47 Is there web browser (or extensions) that you might have keyboard commands such as "skip to next

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One of these just popped up a red warning bubble saying that the text I was typing was too short, while I was still typing it. (There's some delay so I usually don't see that message because I type faster.) T 10:12:17 hese warnings make it obvious to everyone that client-side scripts are able to read the content of password fields as you're typing, so you should check what website you enter the data before you start typing, not after you enter the data and before you submit it. 10:13:03 That message alone doesn't prove it, but a phishing website could easily send anything you type into an input box to the web server, even if you delete it from the field immediately after. 10:18:38 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 10:35:52 <\oren\> So apparently windows update is now deleting user data 10:39:07 -!- erkin has joined. 10:48:04 fun 10:52:09 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:53:09 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:56:59 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 10:57:58 ARGH! I just saw something on the web that is publicly available, but I shouldn't have looked at it, and now I can't unsee it. I was naive, I used to imagine that the world was a nicer place. 10:58:57 welcome to the internet 10:59:12 It's the rules of an insurance company for computing the fees of motor vehicle insurance in Hungary. I don't own a car or motorbike, so I haven't had a reason to look at that yet. 11:00:36 I don't want to tell in public what I saw there, but these are publically available on the web, so if you really want to, you can look. But don't look unless you really must. If you have to buy insurance, just fill in your details to interactive forms and find out the fee for your vehicle only. Don't say I haven't warned you. 11:02:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:02:51 There are very few people who should know about those tables, mostly just the people who work to create such tables, and some lawyers who assist in finding malpractices of insurance companies. 11:03:16 But the laws require that they must be public information, so anyone is allowed to look at it. 11:04:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:04:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:06:03 -!- Melvar has joined. 11:32:26 -!- Fogity has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:45:35 -!- jrlLU has joined. 11:45:41 -!- jrlLU has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:56:55 -!- andrewtheircguy has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 12:08:35 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 12:28:32 [[User:Salpynx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57955&oldid=57953 * Salpynx * (+38) 12:41:26 -!- j-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:44:05 [[User:JonoCode9374]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57956 * JonoCode9374 * (+352) Created page with "Hey! 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I am currently working on a language." 17:08:48 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:09:15 -!- Melvar has joined. 17:24:45 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:25:11 -!- Melvar has joined. 17:27:55 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 17:44:27 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:44:56 -!- Melvar has joined. 18:05:03 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:05:28 -!- Melvar has joined. 18:12:02 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:22:52 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:27:55 <\oren\> So apparently windows update is now deleting user data <-- wat 18:31:06 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 18:32:44 oerjan: Windows 10 only and not always, and MS has withdrawn the update. 18:32:59 So I guess you're either affected now or safe. 18:36:42 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 18:37:00 -!- XorSwap has joined. 18:37:08 -!- Melvar has joined. 18:38:14 i haven't had any updates this month yet, so whew. 18:41:54 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:42:58 `addquote ARGH! I just saw something on the web that is publicly available, but I shouldn't have looked at it, and now I can't unsee it. I was naive, I used to imagine that the world was a nicer place. It's the rules of an insurance company for computing the fees of motor vehicle insurance in Hungary. [...] 18:42:59 1328) ARGH! I just saw something on the web that is publicly available, but I shouldn't have looked at it, and now I can't unsee it. I was naive, I used to imagine that the world was a nicer place. It's the rules of an insurance company for computing the fees of motor vehicle insurance in Hungary. [...] 18:43:27 * oerjan considered cutting it after "company" 18:49:03 hm first beep today. and second. 18:49:25 it didn't feel like it came from the PC. and again, it didn't happen earlier today. 18:49:28 anything during the night? 18:49:39 hmm 18:49:43 I guess it is night 18:50:01 at least if you're still where you were last time I cared about your geographic location. 18:50:09 i did hear a beep at some point when i was _not_ using the computer. 18:50:49 microwaves are a popular source of sound these days 18:50:50 also, last night it stopped after a while. 18:50:57 oh? 18:51:21 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/microwave-weapons-us-embassy-cuba-china-new-york-times ... not serious 18:51:23 hm i guess it could be that. if it's from the neighbor. 18:51:51 (they can interfere with speakers though... for a while I could hear beeps when my phone was called on mine...) 18:52:04 and I'm using "microwaves" very loosely here 18:52:31 OKAY 18:52:48 I suspect GHz frequencies used by mobile phones do not actually qualify :) 18:56:06 Hmm, apparently they do... 300 GHz (1mm) – 300 MHz (1m) is the range given on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave 18:56:23 I didn't expect the term to cover 3 decimal orders of magnitude. 18:57:03 well there's 3 decimal orders between milli, micro and nano 18:57:51 but i haven't really seen milliwave or nanowave 18:57:52 `? milliwave 18:57:53 milliwave? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:58:28 hehe, the GSM "SMS buzz" is fun 18:59:02 * oerjan swats FaerieFly spreading pixie dust everywhere -----### 18:59:29 oerjan: well, now your swatter is contaminated. 18:59:46 it was already pixellated anyway 19:00:21 aaah 19:02:24 Oh pixelation... "The victim is around 40. You can tell by the pixelation around the nose and neck." 19:04:23 of course now I have to find the actual quote... 19:04:43 I should probably be glad I don't know where it's from 19:05:08 FaerieFly: hmm? It's from Thimbleweed Park. 19:05:19 aha 19:05:56 I was thinking it'd be from a CSI (or equivalent) episode, and played completely straight 19:06:26 close enough ;) 19:06:37 (the game *is* a murder mystery) 19:07:33 hehe 19:09:09 wob_jonas: I agree about those client-side scripting; many web pages do too much stuff, but it can be helpful to verify data entered into a form before sending it (the server should still verify it too, usually). That is why I wanted the new kind of web browser it treats document scripts hostile by default if enabled at all, and all functions (of everything, including what a CSS selector means) can be overridden by the user. 19:12:30 FaerieFly: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/pixelate.png (the text spans 3 screenshots which I combined, so that's why the background is now broken) 19:13:10 Hehe :P 19:13:15 I'm a bit tempted to play this game now 19:13:19 There can be settings to define what document scripts are allowed to do, that can be set per set of URLs and so on, and to override functions in scripts too 19:16:13 FaerieFly: Well I enjoyed it a lot. Expect a ton of meta jokes and references to old Lucasfilm games/Lucasart adventures. There are a couple of absurd puzzles... may need a walkthrough. 19:18:24 And I liked the story... except maybe the ending (but it didn't spoil the story, so it was okay). 19:19:38 ==int-e 19:20:38 i,i int-e-reno 19:21:10 shachaf-ahoo 19:21:41 `rot13 ahoo 19:21:42 nubb 19:21:54 oh, pronouncable... shachaf-nubb 19:29:56 [[What!?]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57967&oldid=17885 * Helen * (+7048) Changed a ton to make grammar and general structure neater. Simply some tidying up though, no real changes to the actual content. All added text was simply explaining what was already there in a prettier, more understandable way. 19:36:40 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57968&oldid=57944 * Helen * (+13) Added "What!?" 19:37:36 -!- erkin has joined. 19:37:48 [[What!?]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57969&oldid=57967 * Helen * (-9) Corrected possible values 19:38:52 oerjan: https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43201673_1958594217539045_5445432349896474624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&oh=d4addcadb8a7a60bda8268550e4e51df&oe=5C51789C 19:38:59 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:39:26 -!- Melvar has joined. 19:41:40 counterexample: the moment just after i collided and knocked out my front tooth back in high school. 19:43:42 The moment *after* colliding were you still riding it? 19:44:54 well shortly after 19:46:06 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:46:48 riding and swearing, i vaguely recall. 19:47:24 it's possible i was actually walking... 19:47:47 given my condition was probably not the best for riding. 19:48:11 i'm pretty sure i continued to school though, where i was promptly sent to a dentist. 19:49:07 thus arose my zombie tooth 19:50:14 -!- tromp has joined. 19:54:51 [[What!?]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57970&oldid=57969 * Helen * (+411) /*Conditionals*/ Added a statement saying that you can put marker operators in conditionals 20:11:13 \newcommand{\clearqed}{\setbox0=\hbox{\popQED}\pushQED{}} % such ugliness 20:12:33 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:12:56 -!- Melvar has joined. 20:13:06 -!- sprocklem has joined. 20:13:09 [[English]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57971&oldid=44564 * Helen * (-2) /* Compilers */ Fixed an extra apostrophe for no reason 20:17:33 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:18:10 -!- tromp has joined. 20:39:49 [[QuinePig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57972&oldid=42634 * Salpynx * (+1) /* Various Programs in SickPig */ fix typo 20:50:52 \newcommand{\clearqed}{\setbox0=\hbox{\qedhere}} % yay, slightly less ugly 20:50:54 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57973&oldid=57968 * Salpynx * (+17) /* Non-alphabetic */ adding . Iota comes before mu. 20:52:45 -!- MarkusHeX has joined. 20:55:11 `icode µ 20:55:12 ​[U+00B5 MICRO SIGN] 20:55:46 hm not the proper greek letter 20:56:27 `icode Ю 20:56:28 ​[U+042E CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER YU] 20:56:44 `icode Ι 20:56:45 ​[U+0399 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER IOTA] 20:56:54 `icode μ 20:56:55 ​[U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU] 20:57:07 `icode Μ 20:57:07 ​[U+039C GREEK CAPITAL LETTER MU] 20:58:01 arguably the page name is wrong... e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C-recursive_function 20:58:36 `icode µ 20:58:37 ​[U+00B5 MICRO SIGN] 20:58:52 hm mediawiki actually capitalizes them to the same thing 20:59:09 I mean, the language name is derived from \mu-recursive functions, so it should really use the Greek letter instead of the micro sign. 20:59:33 `icode μ 20:59:34 ​[U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU] 20:59:42 hm 21:00:09 oh wait, is it just the index entry that is wrong? that would be even funnier 21:00:31 `icode µ 21:00:31 ​[U+00B5 MICRO SIGN] 21:00:57 yes, it's just the index entry that has the micro sign. the page itself has a \mu 21:01:18 `icode µ 21:01:18 ​[U+00B5 MICRO SIGN] 21:01:29 `icode μ 21:01:30 ​[U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU] 21:01:34 ic 21:01:44 well that makes it easier. 21:02:54 -!- MarkusHeX has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:03:18 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:03:36 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57974&oldid=57973 * Oerjan * (+0) /* Non-alphabetic */ Use proper letter 21:04:45 `icode μ 21:04:45 ​[U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU] 21:05:02 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:05:19 -!- tromp has joined. 21:07:32 `icode µ 21:07:33 ​[U+00B5 MICRO SIGN] 21:10:24 > "μCurse" == "µCurse" -- first one is title, second one is the first word of the article... 21:10:26 False 21:10:51 > toUpper 'μ' == toUpper 'µ' 21:10:53 True 21:11:10 hm oh 21:11:23 it's a result of the {{lowercase}} template 21:11:39 Yeah, since the page title is actually a lower case ΜCurse. 21:12:07 I'd still argue that the language name *should* use the Greek letter, but the intent of the author is less clear than I thought :) 21:14:44 `icode µ 21:14:44 ​[U+00B5 MICRO SIGN] 21:15:02 it seems possible to enforce MICRO SIGN with DISPLAYTITLE 21:15:24 -!- Melvar has joined. 21:15:32 `icode M 21:15:33 ​[U+004D LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M] 21:15:57 (that's what the Haskell implementation uses) 21:16:18 heh 21:22:27 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 21:46:23 -!- nostar has joined. 21:50:38 -!- nostar has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:02:59 -!- variable has joined. 22:18:55 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:35:02 -!- trout has joined. 22:37:46 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:38:18 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:06:09 -!- variable has joined. 23:08:21 -!- LightkeymH has joined. 23:09:15 -!- trout has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:11:12 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 23:11:14 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:12:09 -!- tromp has joined. 23:14:15 -!- variable has quit (Quit: /dev/null is full). 23:15:37 -!- LightkeymH has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:27:09 -!- gtristan has joined. 23:28:41 -!- gtristan has quit (K-Lined). 2018-10-07: 00:00:54 -!- variable has joined. 00:01:18 -!- variable has quit (Client Quit). 01:37:27 does anyone here speak romanian? 01:40:19 -!- variable has joined. 01:46:54 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:04:57 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!). 02:05:12 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 02:05:30 good morning 02:07:33 g'doesthiswork 02:16:01 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:18:35 -!- trout has joined. 02:18:37 I speak English, sorry 02:18:59 I speak English and I won't apologize for it. 02:19:12 OK 02:45:16 -!- variable has joined. 02:46:30 -!- trout has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:02:20 I'm sorry 03:17:48 -!- trout has joined. 03:20:36 In this GURPS game (I mentioned about the stolen pigs), the GM suggested we will now have to try to escape, although I had a different idea, to just go to court anyways. But now I have a third idea, which is to write a note to apologize for his children are dead (and leave it with the armourer, to return together with the wheelbarrow; hopefully that man is literate!) and go directly to the barber, which is why we came here in the first place anywa 03:21:04 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:21:06 (Does the barber know the king told us to go to the barber? Hopefully; otherwise none of us know what is happening.) 03:22:40 Actually in this game we stole wheelbarrows once before, too (to recover a stolen goat). That time we were unable to return the wheelbarrows, considering it too dangerous to do so. 03:48:59 -!- variable has joined. 03:52:30 -!- trout has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:28:12 -!- trout has joined. 04:29:04 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:49:58 there is a lot of livestock theft in your games? 04:50:15 Apparently. 04:50:53 What would you think of Magic: the Gathering card having: All creatures gain banding until end of turn. ;; No more than one band can attack this turn. ;; Cannot cast ~ during combat phase. 05:00:42 -!- trout has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:01:24 -!- variable has joined. 05:22:11 -!- variable has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 05:52:53 [[Marker]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57975 * A * (+364) Created page with ""Marker" is a very simple markdown-like programming language. ==Syntax== It uses Consolas. ===size x:=== This command is used to set the size of the text. Inside the tag, the..." 05:54:13 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 05:59:11 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57976&oldid=57975 * A * (+293) 05:59:32 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57977&oldid=57976 * A * (+23) 06:00:27 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57978&oldid=57977 * A * (+52) 06:21:43 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57979&oldid=57978 * A * (-73) /* center */ 06:24:26 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57980&oldid=57979 * A * (+46) /* Syntax */ 06:29:55 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57981&oldid=57980 * A * (-110) 06:30:29 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57982&oldid=57981 * A * (-41) /* bold/italic */ 06:44:22 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57983&oldid=57948 * JonoCode9374 * (+1061) 06:45:35 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57984&oldid=57982 * A * (-31) 06:46:34 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57985&oldid=57984 * A * (-62) 06:49:01 [[Marker]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57986&oldid=57985 * A * (-136) 07:13:57 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:14:10 -!- tromp has joined. 07:25:41 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:36:21 -!- XorSwap has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:39:48 -!- mprAb has joined. 07:41:23 -!- mprAb has quit (K-Lined). 07:57:34 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:25:21 -!- erkin has joined. 08:45:05 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 08:46:19 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:46:33 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 09:31:34 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 09:33:09 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:34:49 argh! stupid physical slot allows me to insert the SIM cards in the wrong orientation. and here I was panicking why the phone didn't recognize the SIM cards. 09:43:16 dear interface design guys. confirmation prompts are nice to protect from bad effects of accidental button presses, and android and windows metro and some modern websites should learn that. but confirmation prompts are even nicer if the prompt actually shows on the screen what you're confirming. 09:59:25 In this case, the confirmation prompt the phone gave was "Start copying?" A good confirmation prompt would have been "Start copying 191 contacts from Phone to SIM2?" 09:59:46 Except obviously it should show the correct number instead of 191. 10:01:32 Hmm. So with struct A { int x; };, if "a" is an lvalue, then "a.x" is an lvalue. 10:01:42 If "a" is an rvalue, then "a.x" is an rvalue? 10:01:49 That's mysterious. 10:02:52 shachaf: if a is an rvalue, then a.x is either an error or an rvalue, depending on the language dialect 10:03:18 or so I think, but ask on ##C or ##C++ if you want to be sure 10:04:21 At least in my short test with clang. 10:04:42 But then what does the ". operator" do? 10:06:16 This must be the thing that I was attributing to calling conventions or whatever. 10:07:05 When you pass a struct by value, as in f(A a) { ... } 10:10:06 shachaf: rvalues are used when the language typechecker at compile time thinks that the hidden lvalue backing it is a temporary, and so modifying it would be likely an error, because you can rarely observe the effects of the modifications 10:10:23 shachaf: which is why some methods and assignment and field assignment are banned on rvalues 10:10:39 also the address operator 10:11:19 but the runtime semantics is generally (with some exceptions) as if the rvalue has a backing lvalue, and you can access that lvalue in sneaky ways if you really want, at least in C++ 10:11:49 it's just usually a bad idea, because the temporary will go away, so you can have a dangling reference to it, or modifications that don't do anything 10:12:55 technically there's only an object (usually a temporary) backing the rvalue, but there's a way to create an lvalue for it 10:13:03 so "backing lvalue" isn't really precise 10:26:54 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 10:28:05 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:29:54 wob_jonas: I think a value and a memory location are completely different things. 10:45:24 -!- Essadon has joined. 10:46:11 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:10:44 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 12:21:31 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:22:08 -!- tromp has joined. 12:23:18 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:25:48 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:26:04 -!- tromp has joined. 12:59:25 -!- moei has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 13:23:31 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 13:33:35 -!- MDude has joined. 13:54:51 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:59:35 -!- moei has joined. 14:13:48 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:14:23 -!- erkin has joined. 14:23:50 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 15:01:50 -!- XorSwap has joined. 15:34:29 -!- MDude has joined. 15:38:51 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:39:14 -!- tromp has joined. 16:13:10 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:30:31 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 16:32:03 -!- XorSwap has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:33:30 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:34:54 -!- XorSwap has joined. 16:35:01 -!- XorSwap has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:51:33 -!- Essadon has quit (Read error: No route to host). 16:58:31 -!- Essadon has joined. 18:18:17 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:53:10 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 19:35:59 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:48:41 -!- tromp has joined. 20:02:22 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:03:00 -!- tromp has joined. 21:02:50 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:03:02 -!- tromp has joined. 21:50:49 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:51:28 -!- tromp has joined. 22:06:36 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:21:41 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:00:03 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in). 23:00:19 -!- danieljabailey has joined. 23:24:54 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: rebooting). 23:29:19 my pet soldier fly maggots escaped and are crawling over the kitchen floor looking for hiding spots to pupate in 23:29:40 It makes it so I have to step carfully 23:33:21 -!- FreeFull has joined. 2018-10-08: 00:06:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:25:58 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 01:04:27 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:08:37 I read now Microsoft open-sourced MS-DOS version 1 and 2. What I would like to see is open-sourced ROM BASIC and PC BIOS code. (While PC BIOS code is available, I have not seen an official open-source licensing of it.) 01:50:18 -!- XorSwap has joined. 02:24:35 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 02:46:52 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 02:59:01 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:00:01 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: I seem to have stopped.). 03:01:29 -!- Taneb has joined. 03:03:29 -!- xkapastel has joined. 03:23:03 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 03:25:53 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:52:44 A variant of the "Immobilizer" piece from Ultima is the "Vestal Virgin" from Emperor Wars. The movement is the same, but it only prevents capturing moves, and does not prevent non-capturing moves. 04:59:47 Is there implementation of Haskell in JavaScript that does not have its own I/O and can combine with your own JavaScript codes for I/O and other functions? 05:34:35 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:45:40 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:05:45 doesthiswork: sounds like you'll soon have a fly army then. 06:08:04 "Black soldier fly larvae (BSFL) are an excellent source of sustainable protein for aquaculture, animal feed, and pet and human nutrition.[citation needed]" 06:09:14 . o O ( wait is he raising them _as_ pets or _for_ his pets? ) 06:09:22 Or both? 06:09:50 i don't think it's usually considered good to feed your pets to each other 06:10:46 i'm going to go out on a limb and assume he's not eating them himself. 06:17:40 -!- XorSwap has quit (Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return.). 06:18:48 Yes, I suppose it would be unusual to do both 06:33:01 I'm raising them to eat food waste, which they do a wonderful job of 06:36:11 OK 06:36:25 I suppose that is better than wasting it. 06:40:09 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:40:24 -!- tromp has joined. 06:41:15 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:47:23 [[User:Salpynx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57987&oldid=57959 * Salpynx * (+95) /* Working on */ 06:56:06 [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57988&oldid=46778 * Salpynx * (+140) add link to my wip compiler that compiles hello-world example 07:13:47 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:02:06 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:02:46 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:10:54 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 08:48:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:48:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 08:48:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:35:59 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 09:37:48 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:47:12 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 09:47:55 zzo38: it's not open source, but I have ROM BIOS listing for IBM PC XT or something similar, and I think it's on the internet too 09:49:15 zzo38: I think it's actually the original PC before the XT. the manual contained assembly listings for the ROM BIOS and (hard disk ROM BIOS extension), including the keyboard handling code, plus lots of other useful docs like schematics and BIOS API docs 09:49:44 zzo38: but not any BASIC. if you can't find it on the internet, ping me and I'll try to look it up, or, failing that, get my printed book and scan the parts you're interested in 09:50:34 doesthiswork: but don't flies leave a lot of mess after themselves, including human disease sources? 09:51:04 unlike ants, which are clean, but can be a bad idea to raise in the house because they can make holes in the plastering of walls or worse 10:02:45 [[User:Salpynx]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57989&oldid=57987 * Salpynx * (+107) /* Interested in */ 10:35:05 -!- erkin has joined. 11:32:30 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:33:24 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:34:28 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 11:35:53 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:14:04 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 12:18:56 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:19:35 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 12:19:39 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:47:54 -!- j-bot has joined. 12:47:54 -!- j-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:53:53 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 13:33:29 -!- xkapastel has joined. 14:14:05 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 14:44:53 @tell doesthiswork but don't flies leave a lot of mess after themselves, including human disease sources? unlike ants, which are clean, but can be a bad idea to raise in the house because they can make holes in the plastering of walls or worse. 14:44:53 Consider it noted. 14:45:02 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:47:27 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:50:12 -!- erkin has joined. 16:07:00 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 16:28:37 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 16:29:35 When the 7-zip UI is testing an archive, the dialog has a "Cancel" button to cancel the test, since it can take a long time for a large archive. When I click on that button, I get a dialog asking "Are you sure you want to cancel?" and three buttons: Yes, No, Cancel. 16:29:41 Why are there three buttons? 16:47:42 [[ESOPUNK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57990&oldid=57622 * Blacksilver * (+216) Examples 16:49:40 -!- XorSwap has joined. 16:57:39 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 17:27:22 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 17:33:21 [[ESOPUNK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57991&oldid=57990 * Blacksilver * (+321) /* Computational Class */ 17:35:51 I don't know; I don't use the 7-Zip GUI 18:14:05 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:29:15 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 18:34:17 Yes, finally! Laundry buffer underflow! As in, I could wash laundry now because the washing machine and the clothes rack is free and I have the time to start one, but there's not enough dirty clothes to be worth. 18:35:02 Unless I replace the bed linen or wash the curtains, but I'm too lazy to do either. (Washing the curtains is easy, it's putting them up again that's the hard part, and you have to do that immediately after the washing machine is done. 18:35:04 ) 18:39:48 `olist 1143 18:39:49 olist 1143: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 18:58:34 I have a book with the PC BIOS code in it (for the original IBM PC, I think). 19:00:57 zzo38: so you're only missing the casette BASIC BIOS? 19:01:06 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:01:19 I know it's obvious, but have you searched the internet for it? 19:01:51 The casette BASIC faded into obscurity because of MS-DOS and MS's BASIC implementation GW-BASIC. 19:02:01 (Which runs on DOS and is really small.) 19:02:10 I guess you know that. 19:05:05 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:05:05 Yes, I know that. 19:06:34 Also every PC came with an 1.2" floppy drive for a long time AFAIK, and casettes are just really unreliable compared to cheap floppies, so the whole idea of a BASIC that stores its data on a casette instead of a floppy on a PC seems absurd to me, while it made sense back in the older personal computers like the C-64. 19:07:12 I don't understand why the PC BASIC worked with a casette in first place rather than a floppy, whether it's over PC-DOS or separate and with a possibly different floppy format. 19:07:48 I can understand that they made a casette controller for the PC, so people can potentially read and write casettes and communicate with other machines that way. 19:08:02 But the PC also had a floppy drive. 19:09:49 I think the book I have says it supports four floppy drives, although only two can physically fit inside the computer. 19:11:54 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:11:55 zzo38: yes, the BIOS routines support four floppy drives, even on later PCs, but since DOS only supports two floppy drives without extra software, and people generally got hard disks by the time 1.4" floppy drives appeared, I'd guess very few people had a PC with more than two floppies. 19:12:49 wob_jonas: 1.2"?! 19:13:31 int-e: no, um... what are the floppy sizes again? 19:13:42 5 1/4", 1.2MB 19:14:00 well, 180k, 360k, 720k, 1.2MB 19:14:06 5+1/4 inch with formatted capacity 1.2MB, and 3+1/2 inch with DOS formatted capacity 1.44 MB but total capacity 2MB 19:14:32 and 3 1/2", 1.44MB, not sure about smaller sizes. 19:15:57 int-e: yeah, that's why the one that's half the size of the 1.44 MB floppy is called "double-sided-double density" or something like that, but I've only seen the floppy formats other than the two largest for the 3+1/2" drive and the biggest double-sided and single-sided for the 5+1/4" drive only in theory, never a real floppy. 19:16:18 IIRC 5 1/4" came in single density (40 tracks), double density (80 tracks), high density (15 sectors instead of 9 per track), and one- and two-sided. 19:17:02 every software has options to support them, since they're kind of trivial once you support the biggest floppy format, Linux even has specific devices with major and minor ID numbers and names in /dev that force the format in case the auto-detection fails, not that it ever fails 19:17:45 int-e: I don't want to look the details up now. I know I've seen at least one real 3+1/2" floppy with half the normal capacity 19:18:22 and I've also seen like two software for formatting ordinary 3+1/2" floppies in ways different from DOS to get a higher formatted capacity 19:18:41 but still make them accessible by DOS software that is 19:18:50 anyway, the thing with cassettes is that it's very cheap to support in hardware... you hardly even need an A/D converter; some automatic level adjustment should suffice, followed by an operational amplifier. Almost everybody had a cassette recorder at the time. 19:18:58 I have had the auto-detection of floppy disks fail. The same disk works on an actual DOS computer though. (I am using an external device to use the floppy disk, since the computer doesn't have one built-in) 19:19:01 it's easy without that part, replacing all the DOS routines is the hard part 19:19:27 zzo38: the auto-detection failed but you could read the floppy if you specified the format? what format of floppy was it? 19:19:41 and that's on modern hardware? wow 19:20:01 I've seen floppies fail, but not in that way 19:21:48 And I have used floppies with Linux, but not much. 19:21:57 An ordinary 3.5" HD floppy disk in DOS format. 19:22:14 ok 19:24:09 Also once I used a floppy disk with a ZIP archive, that neither 7-Zip nor Info-Zip could read, although someone suggested I try bsdtar, and it was able to read it. (Only part of the file was readable, and there was a disk error after that. I later reformatted the disk and copied the file again and this time it did work with 7-Zip.) 19:25:33 wait, if there was a disk error, then why did you reformat the disk? don't those usually come from permanent physical errors so you should generally throw away such a floppy and use a new one, after reading the data, since they're so cheap? 19:26:08 I don't know, but reformatting the disk and rewriting the file fixed it. (I think DOS marks which sectors are bad so that it doesn't use those ones) 19:27:07 yes, DOS marks those in the FAT, in fact I think not only DOS but also that Linux tool for physical scanning of DOS floppies can do that 19:27:55 the bad sectors are marked in the FAT table itself, and FORMAT normally searches for them at format time unless you give the /Q option for quick format, plus DOS SCANDISK can search for such 19:28:06 and the same mechanism was used on old hard disks too 19:28:09 (I also tried copying the same file onto two disks in case one didn't work. Also, auto-detection didn't fail for the second disk, although once I specified the format both disks were readable in Linux.) 19:28:32 but after a while hard disks started to have ten layers of abstraction and handled physical errors on their on-board controller 19:28:38 so eventually that part got useless 19:29:02 I've even scanned DOS RAM disks, which emulate a hard disk, for bad sectors, which is obviously ridiculous 19:29:09 but the abstraction doesn't know that 19:31:12 bad sector marks of FAT could be useful for putting something on a FAT disk that nothing else reading the FS will touch, although there are lots of other ways to do that 19:33:05 such as putting unusual but mostly supported file system parameters to sector 1 of the fs, or just putting it in a file marked with the S attribute so that defrag software doesn't move it 19:33:45 but usually on a hard disk you just use a partition table, so you need that only on floppies 20:20:30 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Do you mean any statements of the form x = y where x isn't a value of an explicit type designed for that statement would be not allowed? 00:51:08 In ALGOL 68, for example, the thing on the left side of = is a pointer. 00:51:52 Well, it's a := 00:53:42 Picolisp? Assignment forms are set and setq, set takes a symbol like 'foo, setq is a bit more magic and quotes the symbol for you 00:54:16 I'd like something that distinguishes between memory locations and values. 00:54:27 Or, y'know, mutable cells that hold values and values. 00:54:54 Haskell? Erlang/Elixir? 00:55:04 OK, but something on the level of C. 00:56:32 When you write "int x; ...; x = x + 1;", the x on the left of the = refers to a memory location, but the x on the right refers to the value in that memory location. 00:57:29 Tcl 00:58:08 The string "x" or x or {x} is a mutable location, $x is a value in that location 00:58:22 set x 5; print $x 00:58:34 oops 00:58:42 "x" isn't exactly a memory location (because of scoping?), but I suppose that's closer. 00:59:01 http://tpcg.io/EXzEuZ 00:59:57 I guess this is true in sh, actually. 01:00:04 Hmm, I don't remember enough Rebol off the top of my head 01:00:21 I've considered Rebol to be a better Tcl with a better ability to fake lexical scope, but I don't remember much else 01:00:23 You write x=5 to set and $x to get. 01:01:14 Rebol is x: 5; x 01:01:29 x: is a word similar to but not the same as x 01:01:47 ALGOL 68 has automatic coercion from "ref t" to "t" 01:18:45 You could kind of say Forth's @ and ! words are explicit like that. 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I'll close this as fixed. 18:58:01 (...I mean, I would, if we had a tracker...) 18:58:38 we track bugs in the logs hth 19:07:02 `? esowiki 19:07:03 esowiki? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:07:39 `learn Esowiki is our resident issue tracker. 19:07:41 Learned 'esowiki': Esowiki is our resident issue tracker. 19:08:05 i,i our residents have a lot of issues 19:08:14 (This is a mere summary of discussion above, not necessarily funny.) 19:09:55 `? oerjan 19:09:56 Your omnidryad saddle principal ideal golfing toe-obsessed "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty evil grinch is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. 19:10:14 `doag password 19:10:16 No output. 19:10:17 `dowg password 19:10:19 11622:2018-10-02 learn The password of the month is wearing shorts despite the weather \ 11619:2018-09-05 learn The password of the month is ripe for picking \ 11587:2018-08-03 learn The password of the month is alphanumer1c. \ 11584:2018-07-20 learn The password of the month will be short-lived. \ 11570:2018-06-03 learn The password of the month is illegal in six US states and Saudi Arabia \ 11544:2018- 19:10:49 oerjan: It was 29°C here the other day. 19:11:10 oerjan is not here... was that for the logs? 19:12:20 I assume that if I say "oerjan" things will make their way to him one way or another eventually. 19:12:25 I don't worry about the exact mechanism. 19:14:24 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 19:47:54 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 19:48:11 fizzie: thank you 19:56:16 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:07:24 ais523: hi 20:07:55 hi 20:07:58 I was here for the M:tG conversation, but I don't know if you replied after that part, because the logs were down 20:09:43 you left shortly before I did 20:09:44 I was talking about some stupid basic arithmetic and calculus stuff afterwards 20:09:48 so I saw them 20:10:11 but I pretty much just ignored the conversation because it was offtopic; I tolerate offtopic conversation here but normally don't pay much attention to it unless it's on a topic I'm interested in 20:10:21 and how the old NIST maths handbook is in some respects betteer than the new one 20:10:34 oh, elementary maths is off-topic, but category theory is on topic? 20:10:48 or all of them are on topic, we just allow a lot of off-topic stuff for community 20:10:50 yeah, I get it 20:12:14 category theory is typically only on topic in as much as it related to Haskell (which would be an esolang if people weren't trying to use it seriously) 20:12:19 *relates 20:12:37 if you need to know category theory to understand the language you're writing in, that sounds like an esolang to me :-D 20:14:26 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:18:38 ais523: yeah. I could write some basic haskell programs without using category theory, but since I'm a mathematician, I can understand others wanting to understand category theory for these sorts of things, whether eso or non-eso 20:18:54 I sometimes think of other crazy mathematics for programming simple stuff too, it's only natural. 20:19:04 well, computer scientists use category theory to understand programming languages 20:19:21 there's some category theory in my thesis, for example 20:19:33 (that said, it's a bit out of place because my thesis ended up mostly being a study of syntax rather than semantics) 20:19:39 And I don't mean the simple stuff like using an elementary integral to compute the area of a circular sector, but really overpowered stuff I don't need for the problem, only for me it's usually not category theory. 20:20:22 Not that I haven't used category theory, I admit I have used it at least once, but only the very basics, like composing some morphisms and inverting them and some direct product, you can trivially rephrase the same proof without category theory. 20:21:08 combinatorics seems to be the other field of maths that comes up in programming a lot 20:21:10 It ended up in an article I co-authored. 20:21:26 at least, if you're programming for the sake of programming rather than to actually accomplish some result 20:21:37 also, people normally prefer the category-theory proofs because they generalise to other fields 20:21:56 the whole initial point of category theory was to allow theorems to apply to multiple fields of maths at the same time 20:22:07 ais523: yeah, but so does some of this numeric stuff, including multi-dimensonal vector arithmetic, whether exact or asymptotics, simple statistics, and numeric analysis to understand which floating-point calculations are numerically stable and what approximations are good. 20:23:44 I actually started to think of this area of circular sector and volume of spherical cap thing because it was needed for an approximation in a program by a co-worker, not that I need to understand the integration myself for that, you can just re-use formulas other people have computed, but still. 20:31:49 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:37:55 -!- erkin has joined. 20:58:32 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 21:04:21 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:12:00 -!- sleepnap has left. 21:13:42 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 22:05:05 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 22:40:48 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:47:16 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 22:57:43 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 22:58:12 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:59:01 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 22:59:18 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:04:56 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 23:19:04 -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:19:20 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:30:52 -!- XorSwap has joined. 23:34:46 -!- hakatashi1 has joined. 23:35:05 -!- tromp_ has joined. 23:35:06 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 23:35:10 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:35:14 -!- MDead has joined. 23:37:48 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:37:48 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:37:48 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 23:38:21 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:44:48 Mind you, using the letter "d" in two conflicting ways in that formula is really unfortunate 23:45:16 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:46:16 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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I'll no longer have the problem of staying up late at night because of an IRC conversation then :-) 15:16:35 (well, I will, but because of people other than you) 15:17:05 I won't be here long, this username has a specific purpose and it's become more specific/predictable over time 15:17:39 So the underscore has a meaning, just not related to this channel? 15:17:41 Ok. 15:18:00 oh, I thought it was common knowledge 15:18:09 the more underscores, the less control I have over my connection setup 15:18:34 one underscore typically means that I'm using a hotdesked or public-access computer (and is correlated with accessing over the web interface) 15:18:43 but that the setup is, apart from that, relatively sane 15:18:47 I didn't know about you in particular. I do know that some irc users use a different username depending on whether they join from home, work, or mobile or whatever. 15:18:59 At one point I used b_jonas from work and wob_jonas from home. 15:19:21 it used to have a range of causes, but by far the most common nowadays is that I'm at work and waiting for something to happen (typically a meeting) and have come onto IRC in the meantime 15:19:43 But some IRC clients append the underscore automatically when the original nickname is used, and that's how I used b_jonas_ for a while too, so I learned to just ignore underscore suffixes. 15:19:47 I think I ended up joining as ais523___ once 15:19:55 right, I'm still ais523, after all 15:20:11 you can see ais523_ on IRC as the equivalent of ais523 non-admin on the wiki 15:21:14 I see 15:21:36 I guess wob_jonas could be seen as that in relation to b_jonas... sort of 15:22:13 you nearly always have the wo nowadays 15:22:48 -!- sleepnap has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 15:23:10 hmm, this is the situation in which I normally post WIP esolangs on the wiki 15:23:14 but I'm not convinced half an hur is enough 15:23:17 *half an hour 15:23:32 so I guess I'll post on IRC instead 15:23:40 there's an analog tarpit I've been working on 15:24:27 there's only one declaration, of the form "a = indefinite integeral (b + c + d + … + y) dz, initial value V" 15:24:31 (of course that isn't the actual syntax) 15:24:56 also, one input is a clock and just increases continuously over time (otherwise there's no motive force to start the whole system going) 15:25:04 I believe this is Turing-complete 15:27:36 and it's about as simple as you can get with "continuous data, discrete code" 15:28:27 um, what kind of expressions can b, c, ..., y be? 15:28:46 they refer to other lines of the program 15:28:57 like, b will have a definition of the same form, etc. 15:29:26 so the whole thing's just one big circular definition (although you have base cases when the sum is empty, meaning that you're taking the integral of 0, i.e. a constant) 15:29:35 also, this one is funny, I looked more into the $ int_{-1}^{m} sqrt{1 - z^2} dz $ integral that I was talking about yesterday, and I'm more confused than ever about how it works 15:30:04 you can define a constant as "k = integral() dk" and use the initial value to specify the value of the constant 15:30:33 ais523: ah, so in the integral, you just have an unweighted sum of other terms? 15:30:36 other variables 15:30:37 then you can start defining functions like sin (using simple harmonic motion and the thing you're taking the sin of as the x in dx) 15:30:41 wob_jonas: right 15:30:51 wouldn't you need a minus sign to define sin? 15:31:05 because you can define constants, you can define multiplication by a constant easily enough (kx = integral k dx) 15:31:24 so the unweighted sums can be made into weighted sums easily enough (it's a tarpit, so why add weighted sums if you don't need them) 15:31:25 ais523: only positive integer constants 15:31:33 or nonnegative integer constants 15:31:35 no, the initial value is an arbitrary real 15:31:35 that you get that way 15:31:54 so you can generate a constant integrator by integrating 0 and sticking the constant in the initial value 15:32:11 integral 0 = C, after all (just like integral 1 = x+C) 15:32:33 so you don't have any restriction to positive integer weights 15:32:34 in particular, about that integral of mine, (A) on one hand, http://people.math.sfu.ca/~cbm/aands/page_13.htm formula 3.3.31 is confusing, because it uses $ d $ in two different meanings, but if I read it right, it normally has an arctan term, but in this simple case that one is cancelled out, 15:33:31 (B) ##math suggested me to evaluate the integral symbolically by a trigonometric substitution, like $ m = \sin \phi $ where $ \phi $ is a parameter between $ -\pi/2 $ and $ \pi/2 $ 15:33:46 which seems to work and leads to both an arctan term and a linear term, and 15:34:15 sorry, arcsin term (not that it's a big difference here) 15:34:51 now, once you have constant and multiply-by-constant and sin, you can create an integral of the form y=integral(…+sin y) dx, then that effectively "quantizes" y (to one set of points while x is increasing, to a different set of points while x is decreasing) 15:34:58 that introduces digital behaviour that lets you create a counter 15:35:30 from there it's just a case of creating a state machine that can read the counters somehow, that's the bit I'm hazy on how it works, there are so many promising approaches though that it seem almost impossible that you can't do it 15:35:32 (C) you can take the geometric interpretation of a circular section of height $ m - 1 $ of the unit circle, and compute its area as the difference of the areas of a circular sector and a triangle, which would explain how you get an arcsin term from the sector and a term with square root from the triangle. 15:35:57 ais523: oh, the initial values are given by the program? ok 15:36:17 ais523: but if it's "an arbitrary real" then why does it not get more powerful than Turing-complete? 15:36:30 sort of like the waterclock thing 15:36:59 possibly even in constant bound on the time variable 15:37:12 even starting with rationals I'm not certain it's computable 15:37:20 yeah 15:37:22 so I should really be saying "Turing-hard", not "Turing-complete" 15:37:34 although there might be something tricky that constrains this particular form of equation 15:37:44 I'm not any good at ODEs, so I can't tell 15:37:56 I'm wondering if it's computable due to the existence of numerical methods for integration 15:38:11 or if they necessarily hit singular cases which place a limit on how many decimal places you can compute 15:38:12 these are of a quite restricted form, they might not be as bad as some other ODEs 15:39:10 yeah... interesting, though I don't think I'll want to figure out anything about this particular one 15:41:12 anyway, the reason I like this language is that integrators and adders are two of the most fundamental components in analog computers 15:41:39 so most real-life mechanical analog computers should be able to implement it (although they'd likely run out of memory or accuracy very quickly if you tried to run a TC construction on them) 15:41:57 digital analog computers have the problem that digital integrators integrate d(time), not d(an arbitrary input) 15:42:09 which seems like it'd considerably reduce the power of the language (maybe not though?) 15:42:37 err, I mean electronic analog computers, not digital analog computers (which would be an oxymoron) 15:42:52 I'm so used to "electronic computer = digital computer" that it's easy to forget that electronic analog computers exist 15:42:53 wait, the z is an arbitrary variable that differs in each equation too? 15:42:54 whoa 15:43:16 (mechanical digital computers also exist, but are even rarer than mechanical analog computers) 15:43:29 wob_jonas: right, that's how I bootstrap up the computational power 15:43:42 it allows for things like "multiply by constant" (integrate the constant by the thing you're multiplying by) 15:45:02 "mechanical digital computers ... are even rarer" => that might depend on how you define a computer. would a calculator that can do multiplications or even divisions when you put an external (possibly non-mechanical) engine at its crank be a calculator? or do you only count complicated ones like ballistic computers and the Antikythera mechanism, mo 15:45:03 st of which are analog? 15:45:23 ais523: I see 15:45:50 that's definitely very powerful then 15:46:03 more so than I imagined, at least in simple programs 15:46:16 I don't know how far the power goes 15:46:41 and in that case I'm not sure how this is even well-defined, like when the z changes sign 15:47:01 if you count a mechanical calculator as a computer, I can see a decent (although perhaps ill-fated) argument for counting slide rules too 15:47:25 althought the mechanical calculator has more scope for modifying it to add control structures than the slide rule does 15:47:30 *although 15:48:08 I'm not sure if a slide rule alone can count as a _mechanical_ calculator 15:48:25 it generally only calculates well when a human is doing something nontrivial with it 15:49:06 sure, it can compute sines and arcsines, which many digital calculators can't, but that's just because it has a precomputed table built in 15:49:19 a precomputed table hardly makes it a powerful computer 15:49:36 well, the basic principle is "find the appropriate two dials for the operation you want to calculate: line the appropriate identity up against one of the inputs, then the answer is lined up with the other" 15:49:55 I'm not sure I'd describe slide rule tables as precomputed when they contain infinitely many entries, though 15:49:55 I mean, a printed sine table is more accurate and easier to use (but slower if you don't need that accuracy) than a slide rule for sines and arcsines 15:50:43 you can easily imagine a sine-taking device which looks like a micrometer; you dial the screw wheel to the distance from the origin that represents the value you want to take the sine of, then its angle represents the value of that sine 15:50:59 infinitely many entries? what slide rule do you have? 15:51:14 this is different from a precomputed table in the sense that it can handle all the intermediate values between wherever your markers are 15:51:42 I don't actually own a slide rule (apart from one I made myself out of cardboard, which wasn't very accurate and is probably long-since lost) 15:52:05 I don't own one either, but I have played with one my father owns 15:52:16 and I even played with one or two digital mechanical calculators 15:53:27 plus I have a photo of an old ornamental digital calculator https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wien-khm-kunstkammer-calculator.jpg 15:53:32 obviously I didn't play with that one 15:54:07 though mind you, the homepage of the Kunsthistorisches Museum Wien has decent quality videos of some other mechanical automata they have in their collection restored and running 15:54:31 they can be both quite spectacular and creepy, and also esoteric in the esolang sense 15:55:49 http://www.khm.at/en/visit/collections/kunstkammer-wien/video-channel/ 15:56:07 s/spectacular/beautiful/ 15:56:22 anyway, I have a meeting 15:56:26 -!- ais523_ has quit (Quit: meeting). 16:24:31 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 16:29:48 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:30:28 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 16:31:08 -!- erdic has joined. 16:34:13 -!- lambdabot has joined. 17:16:57 @bot 17:16:57 :) 17:20:14 -!- erkin has joined. 17:20:18 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:20:57 -!- oklopol has joined. 17:22:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:22:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 17:22:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:23:50 derp 17:24:43 just came to tell oerjan that i have to read his master's thesis :D 17:25:05 those pesky dimension groups... 17:26:49 -!- erkin has joined. 17:30:40 my god oklopol 17:30:43 you're still alove? 17:30:47 *alive 17:31:27 IF YOU CALL THIS LIVIN' 17:31:36 yes 17:31:55 you? 17:32:57 wow oerjan's full groups have continuous cocycles, things used to be so different 17:33:02 (this would be a lot more fun if he was here) 17:38:07 hmm https://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck lacks the "languages" and "brainfuck derivative" tags 17:52:44 seem to be alive 17:53:45 well, that is very cool 17:54:22 > map (length . filter (== 'o')) ["oklopol", "Phantom_Hoover"] 17:54:24 :1:38: error: 17:54:24 lexical error in string/character literal at character '\SI' 17:54:48 > map (length . filter (== 'o')) ["o"++"klopol", "P"++"hantom_Hoover"] 17:54:50 [3,3] 17:56:45 ooo 17:56:49 that's a nice observation 17:57:14 i don't get the error 17:58:13 -!- oob_jonas has joined. 17:59:18 int-e: throw in "Ho"++"olootwo" 17:59:47 int-e: and "Lord_of_Li"++"fe" 18:02:31 oklopol: the error is caused by the '' character which is usually invisible... but apparently Haskell doesn't like it, not even in strings.. 18:03:00 > chr (64 + ord '\SI') 18:03:03 'O' 18:03:36 a zero-width space would probably have done the trick. 18:05:55 We also have a nick with three 'a', a nick with three 'e', and a nick with three 'i' 18:07:23 int-e: you can use \& inside haskell strings, like "ok\&lopol" 18:08:05 . o O ( /nick overnationalization ) 18:08:28 int-e: also \\ like "ok\\lopol" I think 18:08:30 hmm 18:08:37 > "fo\&ob\\ar" 18:08:40 "foob\\ar" 18:08:44 no, not that 18:08:47 > "fo\&ob\ \ar" 18:08:49 "foobar" 18:08:55 that then 18:09:08 * int-e forgot about \& 18:09:28 Haskell string literals have a rather stupid syntax, but then, I've seen worse syntax than that 18:09:57 > '\& \&' 18:09:59 :1:3: error: 18:09:59 lexical error in string/character literal at character '&' 18:10:17 (I did not expect this to work... but it would've been fun) 18:24:16 int-e: put it all together, with all the names! 18:26:35 noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 18:28:10 dl 18:30:09 oerjan: OK, how should I worry about the exact mechanism? 18:32:14 shachaf: schedule one hour for it every day, that should do the problem justice. 18:33:01 I have too many things to worry about to dedicate a whole hour for this one. 18:33:41 Wel, clearly you're underestimating the issue at hand. 18:34:36 Just think about it, oerjan may be plucking your thoughts directly from your brain. 18:35:04 If that's true, I'd rather *not* think about it. 18:35:10 One less thing for oerjan to pluck. 18:35:11 Or perhaps you're just imagining that oerjan is replying to your comments. What is real, what is imagination? 18:35:18 So much to worry about. 18:35:20 :) 18:36:04 Maybe I'll worry about how I'm not worrying about all these things that I should be worrying about. 18:36:39 `grwp worry 18:36:41 ingesorgeco:Ingesorgeco is when a German is worrying that their money might get cut short. 18:37:11 hmpf 18:37:17 `dowg ingesorgeco 18:37:19 4628:2014-05-06 learn Ingesorgeco is when a German is worrying that their money might get cut short. 18:38:43 ah. 18:38:51 cute, but only *with* context. 18:39:34 What's the context? 18:39:35 https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-05-05.html#lBl ff. 18:39:54 or maybe just f. 18:39:57 Ah. 18:41:09 `coins --hebrew 18:41:10 ​מחייתcoin 18:41:18 `coins --hebrew 20 18:41:19 ​מכנסוcoin מנאסcoin וידפcoin התנשקוףcoin פרוצייcoin דנפלcoin גםcoin אנגלדופיוcoin אוריcoin ומקcoin וקנוcoin ואוביcoin המתוcoin נשמעאלוcoin ויסcoin והאילוcoin קפגcoin ומצוcoin בסגדcoin שזממתcoin 18:41:32 also I was blissfully unaware that `coins uses colors. 18:41:50 but now I know :/ 18:41:56 You're missing out on a whole rainbow of fun. 18:42:08 "fun" 18:42:16 \rainbow{fun} 18:42:48 http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/tgit.html <-- I have my own rainbow 18:45:00 (horrible CSS animation trickery, but last time I checked it worked in Firefox, Chromium, and Safari) 18:47:09 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:53:31 -!- oob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 19:05:50 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:19:08 int-e: neat 19:20:08 int-e: Thank God It's Thursday? 19:42:48 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Can you make up any chess variant based on some esolangs somewhat too? 19:53:18 ?messages-loud 19:53:18 ais523 said 2d 8h 8m 10s ago: What would you think of Magic: the Gathering card having: All creatures gain banding until end of turn. ;; No more than one band can attack this turn. ;; Cannot 19:53:18 cast ~ during combat phase. ← that card would be very similar to "Fog except you have to sacrifice a creature", and as Fog only costs one mana, it probably isn't playable 19:54:04 ais523: OK 20:22:16 Still, other stuff could be added, such as cycling {2}, if it isn't good enough as it is. 20:33:05 -!- digitalcold has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:34:34 -!- digitalcold has joined. 20:35:45 -!- syriusWT has joined. 20:38:27 -!- syriusWT has quit (K-Lined). 20:55:24 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:01:24 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:02:38 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:06:29 -!- PsychoticBoy_RC has joined. 21:09:18 -!- PsychoticBoy_RC has quit (K-Lined). 21:11:14 -!- sleepnap has left. 21:46:09 -!- Essadon has joined. 22:23:54 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:31:47 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:36:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:46:26 How to calculate distance between geographic coordinates? 23:55:54 -!- GeekDude has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 2018-10-13: 00:02:20 zzo38: the only coordinate system I know that makes that sort of calculation easy is quaternions, but I don't know how it works 00:07:10 I mean using the common longitude/latitude system. (I should think that only the difference of longitude is needed, as well as the two latitudes, as the inputs.) 00:09:18 copumpkin[m]: 00:09:24 Uh 00:09:36 copumpkin[m]: I always confuse "Dan P" with the other Dan P. 00:32:55 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:45:35 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 01:10:17 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 01:34:14 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:40:39 One kind of chess variant is that there is no castling, but once per game (whether or not you are in check, and whether or not the king already moved) you can teleport your king to any vacant cell. 01:48:24 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 02:29:01 -!- MDude has joined. 03:21:07 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:31:45 -!- XorSwap has joined. 03:54:32 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 04:43:12 -!- FaerieFly has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 04:43:43 -!- pimlu has joined. 04:47:26 -!- FireFly has joined. 04:52:12 -!- XorSwap has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:24:41 Maybe the next sequel game will be that you have to defeat Giants Who Hate Liberty Bell March. 05:26:18 -!- pimlu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:37:51 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:43:47 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 05:50:13 -!- pimlu has joined. 05:54:11 Do you like this game? 06:04:44 -!- pimlu14 has joined. 06:06:09 -!- pimlu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:28:52 -!- pimlu14 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:29:17 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Quit: Page closed). 06:35:19 -!- pimlu14 has joined. 06:39:28 -!- pimlu14 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:42:55 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 06:44:00 -!- foxxclad_ has joined. 06:45:19 -!- foxxclad_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:07:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:23:00 If the people who write the dictionary make up words that are not real words, start to use them a lot and then they are real words. If a map includes trap streets, then build those streets. 07:55:34 I remember once I tried to make up a "make-worded dictionary" some time long ago 07:57:48 (with words that don't use any kind of alphabets) 08:03:01 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:26:44 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 08:28:02 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 09:05:41 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:29:03 -!- pimlu14 has joined. 09:33:15 -!- pimlu14 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:45:17 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 09:48:27 zzo38: re geographic distance, I must disagree with ais523, I don't think quaternions help in that problem at all. do you want on a perfect sphere, or a more realistic elliptic Earth model? in either case, this is probably a question you can just find good answers for on the web. 09:52:03 zzo38: as for trap streets, do you happen to know what the consequences of those are? If I release a database with database right trap data similar to trap streets, should I disclose that it has trap data (obviously without telling what the trap data is) or not? 09:52:49 I'm thinking more of bus timetables in this case than a map, and the trap data would be adding -1 minutes to a very few timetable entries. 09:53:05 oh, also, with the new illustrator, 09:53:15 `ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2682361/feeding-mind-and-body/ 09:53:15 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ehlist: not found 10:10:18 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 10:10:18 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:10:18 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 10:10:18 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:12:46 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:37:38 -!- j-bot has joined. 11:28:21 -!- FireFly has changed nick to FaerieFly. 11:45:57 -!- erkin has joined. 11:54:29 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 12:03:00 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:13:27 -!- ineiros has joined. 12:31:32 https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2018/10/07/lebesgue-universal-covering-problem-part-3/ Lebesgue Universal Covering Problem (Part 3) (on finding a smallest area shape that covers any subset of the plane of diameter at most 1, after reflections) 12:34:19 -!- pimlu14 has joined. 12:38:20 zzo38: oh by the way. Google Plus is going to be taken down from the internet in a few months. If there are any websites on there that you think are worth to save, download them ASAP. 12:38:45 -!- pimlu14 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:37:25 ooh! https://nanogenmo.github.io/ "National Novel Generation Month. Spend the month of November writing code that generates a novel of 50k+ words. 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They may be found in cupboards. Do not aggravate them, especially if you have fine china. \ promise problem//A promise problem is one that happens because you promis 03:07:15 `n 03:07:16 2/2:e too much. Their reduction to NP is p. difficult. \ not found//not found? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 03:07:33 `? np 03:07:34 NP is the complexity class of decision problems that are No Problem. 03:07:39 `? p 03:07:40 P is the complexity class of Problems. 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I know it looks ugly, but it clashes with fewer stuff. 14:54:38 what kind of fields? 14:55:09 IMO using the ASCII RS/FS/etc is semantically cleaner than csv/tsv/etc 14:56:52 I'm dumping some data, currently 20M long but will grow a bit, into a text file. I parse most of the text file with a script, but I also want to keep the text file somewhat human-readable, which is why I have indentation and sometimes want to put multiple string fields in the same line (so that there are fewer lines and so the human can see more) e 14:56:52 ven if it involves awkward separators and escaping 14:59:13 technically it seems that the data _currently_ doesn't include any dollar signs, carets, backticks, and tildes, but I'm not sure if I want to rely on that staying that way, so they're not very good separators 15:00:22 currently the only escaping in strings done is escaping "\r\n" to "\x0B". there are other escaping rules, because I need them to make sure the output is ambiguous, but they haven't been invoked yet. 15:02:47 I'll figure out how exactly to do the escaping. Currently I'm at a stage where I have a dumping script that only I use and a parsing script that only I use, so I can still do file format changes and make the reader not read old files. I can just re-run the dumper script. 15:07:40 The format used to have some string between parenthesis, and some between double brackets, but that gets ugly because some strings contain parenthesis or brackets. I have to rework this to a simple sane human-readable system, and I think that means I'll put some control character, probably "\x1F", as a separator whenever there'd be an ambiguity bec 15:07:41 ause of multiple strings in a line, and then just fix all the delimiters and parsing to saner 15:08:01 I don't want to have more than one escaping method. 15:24:45 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine). 15:40:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 15:40:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 15:40:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 16:23:48 https://twitter.com/chordbug/status/1051598071094751232 reminds me of that "at canada" quote 16:25:08 `quote at canada 16:25:09 362) as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw quintopia: I am at Canada. 16:25:19 o 16:25:36 One day maybe we will all be at Canada 16:26:07 if not at soup 16:27:21 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:33:33 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 16:41:59 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:00:21 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine). 17:01:38 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:01:39 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 17:01:39 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:43:24 -!- moei has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 17:44:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:44:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 17:44:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:34:40 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 18:37:38 Ok, so this port is USB 2.0, and my home computer has no USB 3.0 (it's old). That's JUST enough to test whether this microSD card, which is supposedly Kingston but might be a chinese clone, really has a minimum of 30 MByte/s write speed. The card reader can definitely supports much more than that. 18:38:39 I'll test both write speed and read speed, just in case, but write speed is the one that actually matters, since I need higher write speed, and cards usually have a higher read speed than write speed. 18:38:53 This is consecutive read/write speed by the way, not random seeking. 18:39:50 Although I might also want to test in a different computer with an USB3 port, just for curiosity. 18:40:00 -!- moei has joined. 18:41:14 `quote 18:41:14 656) i think i'll just take the usual route and go do post doc research somewhere far away and never come back and become a drug lord and kill myself 18:41:15 `wisdom 18:41:16 ​xml//XML stands for "X-treme Mega Language (of Awesomeness)" 18:42:14 I'll use real well-compressed data just so that there's no cheating with zero blocks or anything like that. 18:42:36 wob_jonas: I woke up and saw a notification in this channel and thought it'd be an olist. 18:42:44 So now I'm double-disappointed. 18:43:20 Oh by the way, the command to time the write is something like sync; time ( ...; sync; ); which is quite appropriate, since the measurement is effectively time-sink, not useful workload. 18:44:26 Hmm, I might not be able to do this the way I want. 18:44:52 I can't just read all the data from my hard disk, because it doesn't have 30 MByte/s read speed. 18:44:59 I'll need to use repeated data. 18:45:26 Like, copying a large file whose contents fits in RAM multiple times. 18:46:57 I'll cache the file in RAM first 18:51:49 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 18:58:25 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:59:13 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:02:33 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 19:02:33 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:18:26 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 19:19:27 Failure: I only got 17.53 MByte/s sustained sequential write speed rather than the 30 MByte/s that I expected. I'll do more experiments to debug this, both now and later on a fast computer. 19:20:44 I'll do a read test with the same equipment first (I'll umount and remove the card first so that nothing can cache the data on the card) 19:21:20 Then I can try without the microSD to SD adapter, try a different SD card, or even a different reader. 19:31:43 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:35:42 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 19:35:44 I've got 34.3 MByte/s read speed with the same equipment. That I think is limited by the effective read speed of the USB port. 19:39:46 Next I'll try another write test, with the same port and USB reader and same card, but this time without the adapter (so directly putting the SD card to the microSD slot), 19:40:02 and with a different test file so it doesn't try to write the same data that's already there, just in case. 19:44:30 Note that the adapter is relevant: it's an adapter I bought together with the microSD card, and I need fast write speed with the adapter, since I want to use it with the adapter in my compact camera 19:45:26 Taking multiple photos quickly is the main reason why I need a fast SD card, 19:46:38 Although with this compact camera, the difference between 10 MByte/s and 30 MByte/s might not actually matter much, since the limit in rapid fire shots seems to be image compression speed or something like that in the camera. 19:47:39 Strange really, because compressing to small (640x480) JPEG images should be pretty fast, and I get a limit even that way, so that's definitely not from the SD card. 19:48:31 It could be something other than the image compression, some raw image processing that doesn't depend on the resolution. But first I'm hoping I can actually get better speed in some cases, I just didn't do enough experiments, 19:49:21 and 19:50:22 Also, I'll need to actually copy the photos I took to my hard disk while I'm messing with SD cards. 19:55:25 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:31:30 -!- nc_jonas has joined. 20:32:11 I got similar results without the adapter. I won't test with another card etc now, I'll test in the office on a fast computer instead. 20:32:34 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 20:34:37 -!- nc_jonas has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:00:21 -!- xkapastel has joined. 21:08:18 -!- sleepnap has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 21:55:39 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:57:39 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:09:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:10:42 -!- Cale has joined. 22:31:26 GEOS on the C64 has a weird calling convention (well, an optional one): The arguments are immediately after the jsr call. The function being called takes a look at the return address, copies those arguments elsewhere, then adjusts the return address 22:32:21 (Well, by optional I mean offered versions of standard library functions that do that. e.g. Rectangle gets arguments from special memory locations, i_Rectangle gets them the way I described) 23:21:46 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 23:47:49 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 2018-10-17: 00:22:50 -!- Melvar has joined. 01:02:34 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 01:15:36 [[User talk:BradensEsolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58018&oldid=57130 * BradensEsolangs * (-545) I accept this 01:16:35 [[User:BradensEsolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58019&oldid=54877 * BradensEsolangs * (+17) 01:19:00 [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58020&oldid=57960 * BradensEsolangs * (-190) *idea deaded and breaded* 02:08:40 -!- Hoolootwo has changed nick to Hooloovo0. 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You know how there's regular expressions with captures (I'll use perl-like as an example for now, but I know there's also posix-like ones); and there's the much more restricted parsers like C scanf or lua's patterns ("http://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/manual.html#6.4.1"), which can match a string that's a repetition of a given 19:41:45 set of characters, but not much more than that, and are absolutely unwilling to backtrack more than two or three chars, and even that only when they're in a really good mood? 19:42:31 well, mathematical regular expressions tend to use state-sets rather than backtracking 19:43:32 Yes, I know, but this is specifically for grammars and parsers, with captures. The captures make them harder. 19:45:00 But what I'd like is a family of grammars in between these, one that I can interpret and parse with a parser that can backtrack one level, but probably not more than two. I want it to be able to backtrack one level to parse a repetition when it has a delimiter that may be multiple characters long and may have disjoint alternatives and lookaheads in 19:45:00 it. 19:45:45 Eg. it should be able to match qr/(?>([abcd]*)ab)/ where [abcd]* is the repetition and ab is the delimiter, 19:46:12 but once it finds the delimiter, it won't backtrack the repetition ever, even if the regex fails to match later. 19:48:29 and delimiters for repetition with one level of backtracking for the repetition (both longest repetition and shortest repetition, so I also want to match qr/(?>([abcd]*?)ab)/ ) sounds nice, but I'm not sure what kind of backtracking I want for undoing the choice in an alternation, that is, alternation where one branch may match a prefix of what ano 19:48:30 ther branch matches. 19:49:08 I wonder if there's some such kind of grammar known, even in the abstract mathematical world with small alphabets that don't have to consider a practical implementation involving huge unicode character classes. 19:50:48 And I really need some sort of backtracking alternatives, because I can often change the accepted language so it never needs tricky multi-character delimiters by choosing a different delimiter that rarely appears in the quoted string, and a suitable escape method, 19:51:19 but it's more awkward to get rid of all backtracking alternatives, especially since you may want to use readable keywords whose first character could match. 19:51:52 like, I want to be able to match something that may be an integer in decimal or a floating point number in decimal, and decide which one. 19:52:57 But in some general way, so you can define grammars with special cases other than ones I hard-code, even if there's some built-in stuff for matching numbers in particular formats. 19:55:37 And let's say that I only want a subset of regular expressions, not anything outside like balanced parenthesis or perl -le'$==0,(1x$_)=~/^(|()1(?1)(?1)\2)$(?{$=++})^/,print$=for 0..13' 19:56:21 (Obviously that last one is a poster child of unlimited backtracking, so clearly I don't want that, but you get the idea.) 19:57:39 wob_jonas: I'm reminded of LR(1), but it's more powerful than typical regular expressions rather than less; perhaps LL(1) is the class you need 19:57:43 And I'd like the parser generator to be able to prove that there's only limited backtracking, even if this means I may have to put extra markers in the pattern when it can't prove that alone, like that atomic capture marking above that restricts the pattern from backtracking. 19:57:44 IIRC Python's syntax is LL(1) 20:00:32 ais523: but LL(1) doesn't allow me to look forward, say, ten characters for qr/(?>[a-z]abcdefghij)/ or an unlimited number of characters. I want to be able to look ahead an unlimited number of characters, just not an unlimited depth of different lookaheads. 20:01:03 well, it does, using temporary nondeterminism 20:01:05 Python has keywords 20:01:28 although, hmm, I think the lexer deals with those, not the parser? 20:02:08 Hmm wait, you're right. Not about the keywords, but about the temporary nondeterminism 20:02:13 I did that in one of the toy languages 20:02:35 it's not /quite/ the case that nondeterminism is always better than backtracking 20:02:36 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Geo 20:02:55 but you need to be using really advanced backtracking features to make it better than nondeterminism 20:03:05 which can look ahead any number of tokens to determine if (ident0,ident1,ident2,... is an lvalue or an rvalue 20:03:08 but that's sort of a hack 20:03:38 it actually gets parsed to an lvalue, and then that lvalue gets converted to an rvalue later. 20:04:19 that one uses a yacc parser, although for handling loops and functions it uses features that a yacc parser isn't allowed to do, implemented in C++ 20:04:20 I've been using a LR(1) parser for a golfing language, which is helpful because I can look at the state transitions to see if any program is accidentally illegal in the language 20:05:23 although I'm not sure how an LL parser would do that 20:05:35 the other toy language https://esolangs.org/wiki/Scan uses an LL parser 20:06:00 I don't really know what exactly I want, but perhaps you have pointers 20:06:04 or ideas or something 20:06:23 ais523: did you post anything about that analog computer minimalistic esolang? 20:06:43 (yes, I looked at Recent Changes, I know you haven't) 20:06:57 I don't think so 20:10:56 Also, in my job, my supervisor is trying to convince me to use one of these online productivity tools that require me to personally agree to some legal terms where I state that the guys hosting that will own anything anyone has done at the company. Won't happen, but I'll have to spend a few hours reading those stupid legal terms so I can actually c 20:10:56 onvince her why I don't want to do that. They tried that at my previous company too, and there I managed to convince them it was a bad idea. 20:11:10 This one's a different one, but there's a whole lot of them online. 20:12:08 does the company have its own lawyers? if so, you might want to let them know what's going on 20:12:35 I don't care about the terms that say that they can suddenly start charging fees for their services, because they can't enforce those, but I don't like the ones that host company data and want me personally to agree to give them rights to use everything anyone else in the company worked on. 20:12:37 what is your job, anyway? 20:13:04 it sounds like you can't legally agree to those terms because they contradict the terms in your employment contract that the company owns the work you do for them 20:14:23 ais523: In this job, the company is making a digital electronics control system for some factory engineering system, and I'm working on the GUI that we make and that the operators in the factory will use to know about the state and partly control that control system and what the machines are doing. 20:14:53 makes sense 20:15:00 what OS are these things running? something standard or something custom? 20:15:15 Not to me. It's not a really good job for me, but I consider it somewhat temporary. 20:16:17 I mean, it makes sense that the job exists 20:16:33 The control system is running on some sort-of-custom embedded hardware by Siemens where the compiler can prove a deterministic bound on the reaction time, but the GUI runs on Windows, in some huge software framework also made by Siemens, and it communicates with the control system through an ethernet LAN. 20:17:04 The control system CPUs also communicate with some measurement devices, on another LAN, to which only they and the measurement devices have access, to guarantee the latency. 20:17:38 The framework is rather well designed, but also limited so you can't mess up too much, and to some extent optimized for people other than CS geeks like me, which is annoying. 20:18:30 This company is sort of the opposite of the previous one in that it's mostly engineers working there, with too few CS people, so now it was trying to hure any computer guy or programmer available, 20:19:02 but in exchange that means that most coworkers I could talk to use some cryptic jargon, talking about electronics hardware all the time, and I'm not interested in that at all. 20:19:15 They're nice guys, but I just can't enjoy the whole thing. 20:19:49 So I'm trying to help them in the less boring IT automation stuff a bit. 20:23:55 And as for back for the legal stuff, on one hand, the project manager and bosses might have the right to agree to give the project they're making to those providers, so if they're making me, then I could agree to those stupid conditions, but that doesn't mean that I want to be personally responsible for that. 20:24:43 So I'd rather try to convince them otherwise, partly by telling them about the other stupid tool that the managers wanted me to use at the previous job, 20:25:56 and partly by (sign) spending my time reading the boring contract and finding something I can directly point to, rather than just the vague stuff where they say they'll update their whole legal agreement once every week and I have to agree to the new agreement to continue to work with, and obviously I won't have the time to read the new agreement e 20:25:56 very time I actually want to do some useful work with the project. 20:28:15 It's ugly both because it's for work and because it's a service abroad, whereas eg. my mobile phone providers or internet providers or bank have similar legal terms, but they're limited in how they can change and apply them by the laws of Hungary that I can actually enforce at small claims court if I need to. 20:29:16 If a random foreign provider gets access to some data with their software, and there's a company I'm working to involved, then I'm in a very bad situation if they do something actually bad and I want any sort of fix. 20:31:55 Sadly I was reading a lot of such conditions for mobile phone companies and banks these days, although admittedly not only the ugly legal parts about how they have the right to use the data they collect, but the part for how much money they charge. I'm actually going to switch mobile phone providers in a month or two. 20:32:16 My current provider is changing their terms so another one is more worth for me. 20:33:27 I'm also buying a secondary mobile phone account for my grandmother, which is tricky because I have to communicate not only with the mobile phone providers but also with my grandma. 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Action |- | F || 0 ||..." 23:19:12 [[FLIPER Computer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58030&oldid=58029 * FireCubez * (+0) /* Commands */ 2018-10-19: 00:57:16 I wonder if WebAssembly could be compiled to 6502 01:01:26 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:18:52 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:21:28 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 02:08:48 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 02:19:33 I greped for a phrase and the first result was .bash history of me greping the phrase 05:31:21 -!- user24 has joined. 06:05:58 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:08:07 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:17:28 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 06:26:26 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:26:53 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 06:31:06 -!- j-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:37:26 -!- FaerieFly has quit (Ping timeout: 608 seconds). 06:44:23 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 06:52:42 -!- Effilry has joined. 06:54:46 -!- Effilry has changed nick to FaerieFly. 06:59:13 -!- j-bot has joined. 07:01:38 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:02:36 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 07:19:58 Here is one new idea of Magic: the Gathering card: As a special action you can sacrifice a permanent that is a target of a spell or ability controlled by an opponent. 07:46:30 -!- user24 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:09:14 -!- Hoolootwo has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:24:56 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 08:50:43 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:02:45 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:04:01 -!- hakatashi has joined. 09:33:31 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 09:44:55 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 09:46:06 zzo38: I think making that a special action rather than a bog standard triggered ability on the card won't pull its weight. Most of the time there'll be no difference from a trigger, and many of the times when they differ, having a special action there will seem bad for the enjoyment of the game. 10:55:52 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 11:14:53 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 11:33:53 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:53:37 -!- xkapastel has joined. 11:55:10 -!- arseniiv has quit (Quit: gone completely :o). 12:01:36 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:20:01 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:40:28 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 12:50:33 -!- nfd has joined. 12:53:54 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:04:36 -!- MDude has joined. 13:17:20 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:22:39 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 13:22:39 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 13:40:31 -!- nfd has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:03:38 -!- devhenZv has joined. 14:03:46 hrnz: wow, thanks !!!! 14:03:52 mwilson: If I knew all of the inner-workings of LS, then I wouldn't be here asking for assistance with a "Hello World" for rule creation. If you needed somebody to take your rage out on for the day, you could have just said so. 14:03:57 Hi again blacklight-mob o/ 14:04:58 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:05:15 -!- sleepnap has joined. 14:05:22 -!- devhenZv has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:52:01 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:57:20 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:58:40 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:46:11 -!- moei has joined. 16:10:08 Actually I think you are right a triggered ability would be better in this case. 16:11:11 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 16:11:42 zzo38: and with the triggered ability, that's something you find on a lot of old cards, but deliberately not on new cards. there's always some effect the trigger gives, but sometimes it's not very useful. 16:12:11 Let me try to find what creature does it for cheap mana cost. 16:12:36 Well, they allow sacrificing any creature, not just one targeted, but so what. 16:16:34 `card-by-name Dross Hopper 16:16:34 Dross Hopper \ 1B \ Creature -- Insect Horror \ 2/1 \ Sacrifice a creature: Dross Hopper gains flying until end of turn. \ SOM-C 16:16:51 That one seems typical. It's much harder if you don't want to pay black for it. 16:17:58 `card-by-name Bloodthrone Vampire 16:17:59 Bloodthrone Vampire \ 1B \ Creature -- Vampire \ 1/1 \ Sacrifice a creature: Bloodthrone Vampire gets +2/+2 until end of turn. \ ROE-C, M11-C, M13-C, MM2-C, DDP-C 16:18:02 That one works too. 16:19:55 Oh right, I have this one: 16:20:01 `card-by-name Fanatical Devotion 16:20:02 Fanatical Devotion \ 2W \ Enchantment \ Sacrifice a creature: Regenerate target creature. \ NE-C 16:21:41 And if you need colorless, then Spawning Pit may be the best bet. It's a Darksteel uncommon. 16:21:53 -!- erkin has joined. 16:22:25 OK, I have seen that stuff. Mine is a bit different, being a triggered rather than activated ability, although it could have another power too in order that it make better, such as having some effect when you sacrifice a permanent (perhaps due to anything), or when a permanent you control dies (due to anything), or maybe something else. 16:22:49 In a pinch you can use some spot removal or burn spell instead too. 16:22:54 I did once make up something like Fanatical Devotion except it said "permanent" instead of "creature" in both cases. 16:24:06 Reknit can regenerate any permanent. Making it so easily repeatable would be too overpowered, it would lead to infinite combos too easily. 16:24:30 Triggering is even more dangerous in that respect. 16:24:58 I suppose you are probably correct. 16:25:05 And triggering on your creatures getting targeted? That's the easiest way to make a cheap combo deck. It's so easy even I have done it. 16:25:24 Mind you, just triggering to sacrifice it with no additional effects wouldn't be too bad. 16:25:29 But anything useful and it gets out of hand. 16:26:01 OK 16:26:16 They only dared to print the cheapest effect, which is giving the same creature or sometimes some other creature a toughness boost, but even that makes it too easy to assemble an infinite life combo that I can reliably pull off between third and fifth turns inclusive. 16:26:46 Hmm wait, how did your card go? Did you only trigger on an effect controlled by an opponent? 16:26:51 Yes. 16:27:02 "a permanent that is a target of a spell or ability controlled by an opponent." 16:27:06 yeah, that's harder to break 16:29:06 Yes that is why I did that way 16:29:13 they used that trick to put stupid counterintuitive processor costs in Battle for Zendikar without breaking eternal formats. I don't like it in that case, but with just sacrificing the creature, you can get away with it. 16:29:32 Also, there are illusion creatures that have a trigger to die if it's targeted built in, in blue and black 16:30:03 Yes, I know that 16:30:40 `card-by-name Sulking Ghost 16:30:40 No output. 16:30:46 `card-by-name Skulking Ghost 16:30:47 Skulking Ghost \ 1B \ Creature -- Spirit \ 2/1 \ Flying \ When Skulking Ghost becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it. \ MI-C, EMA-C 16:30:54 that one isn't an Illusion technically 16:30:56 the blue ones are 16:31:34 blue also has sort of the opposite effect, Shimmering creatures in the Kamigawa block 16:32:37 nope. Glasskite creatures. 16:35:13 OK 16:39:54 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 17:06:24 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:10:14 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:14:21 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:26:08 -!- Roger9_ has quit (Changing host). 17:26:08 -!- Roger9_ has joined. 17:26:11 -!- Roger9_ has changed nick to rdococ. 18:38:55 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:38:55 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 18:38:55 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:47:25 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 19:13:59 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 19:18:13 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 21:10:01 -!- aloril has joined. 21:47:27 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:24:33 -!- sleepnap has left. 23:08:32 Why does SQLite use chapter 4 of the Rule of Saint Benedict as their Code of Conduct? Much of it is not applicable to software development, and they admit nobody can comply perfectly anyways, and also some statements are meaningless to non-Christians. At least, they say "Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone." 23:27:19 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:33:46 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 23:39:38 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 23:59:56 John Shutt has a proposal for a better esolang wiki http://fexpr.blogspot.com/2018/10/lisp-mud-and-wikis.html 2018-10-20: 00:04:46 Could a wiki be made out of my "HTTP Directory Listing" specification? However, unless you put in special cases in the server, it might not work properly with some versions of Internet Explorer because they emit a strange Accept header. 00:05:27 (Such as, you can use the User-Agent header if the Accept header is not specific enough.) 00:12:31 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:20:10 where is your httpe directory listing specification? 00:20:28 s/e// 00:26:13 It is at http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/httpdirlist 00:35:02 Did you read this? 00:55:34 I'm reading it now 01:39:30 * oerjan reads the logs and has a hunch devhenZv joined the wrong channel... 01:40:22 unless it was a particularly incomprehensible spammer 01:44:38 -!- joast has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:45:00 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 01:45:28 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:49:38 `? nauseum 01:49:39 nauseum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:52:52 -!- joast has joined. 02:02:01 [[The Insane Esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58031&oldid=56529 * Galaxtone * (-66) 03:30:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:59:44 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:01:27 -!- john_metcalf has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:16:55 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:17:56 -!- Guest59145 has joined. 04:42:28 -!- copumpkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:43:12 -!- copumpkin has joined. 05:17:08 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:20:16 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 05:25:28 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Antares * New user account 05:31:02 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58032&oldid=58028 * Antares * (+199) 05:31:48 [[~ATH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58033&oldid=50869 * Antares * (+16) 05:55:46 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 06:25:28 -!- Guest59145 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:27:28 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 07:29:31 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58034&oldid=58026 * JonoCode9374 * (+98) 08:57:23 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:35:50 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:37:35 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 10:47:34 -!- arseniiv has joined. 10:51:39 -!- arseniiv has changed nick to Alisa_koshka. 10:51:49 -!- Alisa_koshka has changed nick to arseniiv. 11:08:03 -!- nfd has joined. 11:12:09 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 11:12:59 -!- Essadon has joined. 11:29:20 -!- Essadon has quit (Read error: No route to host). 11:29:46 -!- Essadon has joined. 11:48:40 -!- newbie has joined. 11:49:51 -!- Lymee has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:50:37 -!- Lymia has joined. 11:52:14 -!- Essadon has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 11:59:56 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 12:37:03 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 12:37:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 12:54:10 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:38:41 -!- newbie has quit (Quit: Qutting). 13:39:03 -!- Essadon has joined. 14:00:03 -!- Guest59145 has joined. 14:16:45 -!- Guest59145 has changed nick to doesthiswork. 14:17:14 -!- doesthiswork has changed nick to Guest83056. 15:54:51 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:28:37 -!- Guest83056 has changed nick to doesthiswork. 17:19:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:21:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:23:50 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:33:31 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 17:33:31 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:15:41 If you have any suggest to change HTTP Directory Listing specification then please make such complaints in order that I may fix them. 18:50:25 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:24:13 -!- vertrex has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:29:32 -!- n has joined. 19:29:55 -!- n has changed nick to Guest36713. 19:30:13 -!- Guest36713 has quit (Client Quit). 20:32:40 -!- sleepnap has joined. 20:47:25 -!- grumble has changed nick to Spooktober. 21:09:45 -!- vertrex has joined. 21:09:45 -!- vertrex has quit (Changing host). 21:09:45 -!- vertrex has joined. 22:32:30 zzo38: it is beyond my area of expertise so I can only offer suggestions on what color to paint the bikeshed 22:48:03 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:49:16 I really like the "deleted" visibility. It is great for security 22:50:57 OK 22:52:28 are standard headers that are not mentioned in your document like "upgrade" permitted to be used? 22:53:45 Yes, although I do not see how Upgrade is useful for the purposes specified there. 22:57:29 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58035&oldid=58034 * JonoCode9374 * (+118) /* Future Ideas */ 22:57:53 Perhaps I should mention, although really anything is permitted although not everything is useful. Sometimes new HTTP headers are invented, and if they are useful here then you may use them (implementations that do not understand them can ignore them, as in other cases). 22:59:19 since makes sense when you just want updates, but for symetry, can you request a copy of the file from a particular date? 23:00:15 You can use the Location field of the history record to get a permanent link to the copy of the file from that date. 23:02:06 ok, How are symlinks modeled? 23:02:11 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 23:04:55 The Content-Location field should be used to specify the link target, I think. If you have better suggestions we may be able to use that, though. 23:08:29 ok, what are s q and p file types? 23:09:42 They are used for dynamic files that are executed when accessed rather than being static documents. 23:11:25 ah, and finally x-content-duration seems like a usefull header, but I am surprised to see it in a specification for directory listing format 23:11:44 -!- sleepnap has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 23:12:44 The only reason it is listed is because it is nonstandard. It can be used as a normal HTTP response header too, which was its original intention, but it is provided there in case the server wants to provide it as part of the directory listing too, in case you want it to be displayed in a list of audio or video files. 23:13:14 I did not invent that header. 23:29:52 You specification seems pretty cool, I'm going to have to read more about http 23:35:35 -!- Guest1_ has joined. 23:39:13 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:45:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:47:19 -!- sebbu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:47:42 -!- sebbu has joined. 2018-10-21: 01:16:52 -!- GeekDude has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:33:23 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:54:58 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * RealUndefined * New user account 01:58:29 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58036&oldid=58032 * RealUndefined * (+166) 02:00:28 [[User:RealUndefined]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58037 * RealUndefined * (+167) Created page with "I came from [https://codegolf.stackexchange.com PPCG]. You can find me [https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/81098/u-ndefined here.] I code [[Pepe]] and [[Pyth]]." 02:02:48 [[Pepe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58038&oldid=55359 * RealUndefined * (+16) /* Examples */ Links and fixed code in Cat 04:14:23 There is tournaments for composing and solving chess problems. Will there be tournaments for composing and solving Magic: the Puzzling? 04:31:05 I'm surprised that there aren't already 05:03:45 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:15:47 There are many features I have not seen in any Magic: the Gathering puzzles yet, such as: selfmate, helpmate (orthodox and unorthodox), fairy (although I have made one myself once), Babson task, grotesque, game you have to draw instead of win, ante, puzzles designed where the variants are different versions of the game rules rather than different cards, puzzles where it is necessary to concede a lot, etc. 05:16:26 I did see one retro (in Rosewater's "Magic: the Puzzling" book), and I have once made a puzzle where it is necessary to concede just once (although I have seen no other puzzles where it is ever necessary to concede). 05:19:34 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:21:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 06:03:27 -!- Guest1_ has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 06:03:31 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:26:07 -!- spiegelau has joined. 06:26:33 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 06:35:47 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:10:10 -!- qlink has joined. 07:10:11 Entered QRoom: Sgeo2 07:10:23 {Sgeo2} Hello all! 07:10:54 `relcome Q-Link 07:10:56 ​Q-Link: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! 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(For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 07:11:21 https://imgur.com/2Hoz48T 07:13:06 {Sgeo2} I lost access to the "Sgeo" account on Q-Link :( 07:16:24 Left QRoom: Sgeo2 07:16:24 -!- qlink has left ("Try QuantumLink RELOADED! http://q-link.net"). 07:58:56 -!- dingbat has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:00:59 -!- spiegelau has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:25:50 [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58039&oldid=58012 * JonoCode9374 * (+783) Added MineFriff version 08:26:28 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58040&oldid=58035 * JonoCode9374 * (+793) /* Examples */ 08:57:21 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:18:07 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 09:53:18 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:00:42 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:00:51 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:07:32 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 10:07:32 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:40:12 -!- xkapastel has joined. 10:57:31 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:55:34 [[Brainfuck constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58041&oldid=56340 * Tang891228 * (-2) /* 0-99 */ adjust format 12:02:49 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:03:50 -!- Deewiant has quit (Quit: Viivan loppu.). 12:04:52 -!- Deewiant has joined. 12:11:07 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 12:13:16 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:50:08 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 13:53:59 -!- arseniiv_ has changed nick to arseniiv. 14:41:02 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:47:31 [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58042&oldid=58041 * Oerjan * (+2) Undo revision 58041 by [[Special:Contributions/Tang891228|Tang891228]] ([[User talk:Tang891228|talk]]) (It's logical: the space comes between the program and the brackets, and the program is empty.) 14:48:34 [[Brainfuck constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58043&oldid=58042 * Oerjan * (+0) Except there seems to have been something funny with the space... 14:49:56 `icode 14:49:57 ​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] 14:50:06 hm doesn't paste 14:50:15 probably nbsp or something. 14:56:38 hmm what's the relevance of 45306 14:57:36 `` dc <<<16o45306p 14:57:37 ​/hackenv/bin/dc: line 1: /usr/bin/dc: No such file or directory 14:58:28 really. 14:58:59 `` printf %X 45306 14:58:59 B0FA 14:59:14 (unenlightening) 15:04:04 Oh well perhaps it was a truly random choice of the running example. 15:07:11 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 15:24:39 `which dc 15:24:40 ​/hackenv/bin/dc 15:24:46 `cat bin/dc 15:24:47 DC_LINE_LENGTH=10000 /usr/bin/dc "$@" 15:24:52 aha 15:25:21 `` where dc 15:25:22 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: where: command not found 15:25:24 hmph 15:25:44 oh it's a tcsh internal command 15:26:05 `which tcsh 15:26:06 No output. 15:27:28 `` type -a dc 15:27:29 dc is /hackenv/bin/dc 15:27:36 *only* that? 15:27:42 `tm bin/dc 15:27:42 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tm: not found 15:27:43 I blame fizzie (thanks for running HackEso, it's appreciated!!!!!1) 15:27:46 `rm bin/dc 15:27:48 No output. 15:27:52 `which dc 15:27:53 No output. 15:27:56 `revert 15:27:57 Done. 15:28:57 `cat /etc/issue 15:28:57 cat: /etc/issue: No such file or directory 15:29:37 of course /etc is absolutely minimal 15:56:49 /etc/missing 15:58:32 -!- dingbat has joined. 16:53:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:17:24 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 17:20:42 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:06:34 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 18:07:20 int-e: IIRC you should blame debian, because dc and bc and I think ed aren't installed in the default install, and since practically nothing depends on them, you have to install them explicitly or else you just won't have them 18:07:51 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:27:04 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 19:01:05 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:07:10 -!- variable has joined. 20:08:41 -!- LKoen has joined. 20:13:12 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:13:22 -!- variable has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:12:57 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 21:18:04 -!- tromp has joined. 21:19:39 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:27:04 -!- LKoen has joined. 21:30:25 -!- iamr00t has joined. 21:30:45 Hey all! 21:44:36 -!- iamr00t has quit (Quit: Page closed). 21:47:46 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58044&oldid=58040 * JonoCode9374 * (+182) /* Commands */ 21:52:02 It has been said that httpdirlist is like a better version of WebDAV. 21:55:30 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:00:29 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58045&oldid=58044 * JonoCode9374 * (+24) /* Deadfish Interpreter */ 22:04:32 -!- aloril has joined. 22:30:26 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 22:35:28 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:47:19 -!- MDude has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:00:06 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in). 23:00:21 -!- danieljabailey has joined. 23:02:07 -!- cole13 has joined. 23:04:37 -!- MDude has joined. 23:07:29 -!- moei has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 2018-10-22: 00:28:57 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:47:36 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:17:54 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:29:01 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:59:48 -!- Sgeo__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:02:08 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:17:55 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:19:07 -!- sprocklem has joined. 03:29:56 -!- LKoen has joined. 03:34:13 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:36:51 -!- Lyka has joined. 03:37:43 -!- Lyka has changed nick to Lykaina. 03:38:56 hi 03:40:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:43:23 hi 03:43:38 Hello 03:49:34 -!- cole_13 has joined. 03:51:17 -!- Lykaina has left ("ByrdIRC"). 03:53:28 -!- cole13 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:19:31 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 04:49:06 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:20:06 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:23:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 05:30:11 -!- LKoen has joined. 05:30:37 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:31:20 -!- LKoen has joined. 05:36:04 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:37:46 If arrows are two for a penny and lead sling stones are ten for a farthing, do you think these prices make sense? 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First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 10:08:34 Remind me how many farthings are in a penny? 10:16:38 -!- cole_13_ has joined. 10:20:28 -!- cole_13 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:30:39 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 10:32:25 zzo38: it depends. in many games, you simply don't need that much realism, and just have slingstones and +0 arrows untracked, so that anyone who has a sling or bow can conjure a new stone or arrow resp from thin air as needed, limited only by the recharge time of the sling or bow, the number of projectiles you can have on screen at the same time, o 10:32:25 r just mashing speed. 10:37:22 -!- arseniiv has joined. 10:43:33 Taneb: aww, pre-decimisation money. it's not as simple as gold pieces that are worth equal to either 10 or 100 silver pieces, depending on which game you take. 10:45:37 (Except in Harry Potter, where a gold piece is worth 17 silver pieces.) 10:49:23 I think there's four farthings in a penny? 10:57:39 -!- Essadon has joined. 11:02:57 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 11:13:37 how many quarter inches are there in a furlong? 11:15:05 42240? 11:16:16 hmm. 31680 12:03:58 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 12:12:40 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:02:04 -!- erkin has joined. 13:32:15 -!- sleepnap has joined. 14:05:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 14:05:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 14:32:14 -!- cole_13_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:10:38 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:27:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:27:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 15:27:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:03:37 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 16:35:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 16:43:59 Taneb: Yes there are four farthings in one penny 16:46:08 -!- zseri has joined. 17:07:38 and three thridings? 17:15:37 Thridings? I don't think that is the money; the money is pound, shilling, penny, farthing 17:17:22 ah yes, £sd¼ 17:22:03 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:24:21 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:25:21 or quid bob penny and mag 17:28:12 Yes, a shilling is also called bob 17:28:55 and 16 farthings is a groat 17:32:54 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 17:32:54 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:45:37 There used to be a quarter farthing coin as well. The smallest value coin the UK had. 17:46:12 Yes, I have read that there was such thing 17:48:23 I randomly have a coin book on my desk today :-) 17:48:46 O, OK 17:50:23 Is good knowing the old money because many stories are using them, including this GURPS game I play and also some British television shows (including ones that are available in Canada, too). 18:06:00 http://zzo38computer.org/gurpsgame/1.ui/wiki?name=Session+16 I suppose the story can be confusing if you do not know the old money. 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For example, if allocating 99999 bytes then I get 0x1722160 0x7ffc4a194ec0 but if allocating 999999 bytes then I get 0x7f7eb7ddd010 0x7ffc5b7333f0 (the first number is the address of this allocation, and the second number is the frame address of main()). Do you know what is causing this? 22:45:05 @metar ENVA 22:45:08 ENVA 222220Z 08004KT 040V120 9999 SCT039 BKN059 03/01 Q0995 RMK WIND 670FT 14010KT 22:45:20 inching closer to the cows 23:04:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:05:17 `icode 0 23:05:19 ​[U+0030 DIGIT ZERO] 23:38:27 what do you mean by "inching closer to the cows?" 23:42:42 The M00 temperature. 23:42:49 @metar EGLL 23:42:50 EGLL 222320Z AUTO 27006KT 9999 NCD 06/04 Q1037 NOSIG 23:44:39 Or dew point. 23:44:41 @metar EFPO 23:44:42 EFPO 222320Z AUTO 27005KT CAVOK 06/M00 Q1000 23:44:47 That's a half-cow, for example. 23:45:34 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 23:52:43 zzo38: There's at least some allocators (for Unix-like systems) that use individual mmap system calls for large allocations, but satisfy smaller allocations from a managed-in-process region of memory ("the heap") that comes right after the program data section. Or just have multiple arenas in different locations. 23:53:29 zzo38: See e.g. https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/MallocInternals for the glibc allocator. "If the request is large enough, mmap() is used to request memory directly from the operating system." 23:56:40 -!- arseniiv__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 2018-10-23: 00:32:21 O, and the mmap address is higher I suppose. Then, that will explain it 00:50:49 -!- oren has joined. 00:51:33 5-18-1 Summary: Don't use the comma operator. Pros: Some people might be confused by the comma operator. Cons: The comma operator is no more inherently unsafe than any other construct. Some people might be confused by it, but not people who are competent in C and C++. It's been used for decades and is a normal part of programming practice. Our Approach: Always Disregard 00:52:04 stupid MISRA. MISRA is making me misra-ble 01:11:28 -!- Hack0xDay has joined. 01:11:46 hacking ? 01:12:05 -!- Hack0xDay has left. 01:33:32 -!- nfd has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:33:42 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 01:36:26 oren: What is that? 01:42:04 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:43:04 -!- sprocklem has joined. 02:14:25 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 03:35:26 I have worked more on Free Hero Mesh (including now the level can be rendered in the level editor, and some numbers are displayed on the left, although the level editor is not yet complete). Do you like this Free Hero Mesh so far? 03:41:44 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:13:21 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 05:21:27 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:22:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 06:12:48 [[MIX (Knuth)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58046&oldid=58013 * Zzo38 * (+702) 06:16:21 [[MIX (Knuth)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58047&oldid=58046 * Zzo38 * (+14) 06:29:18 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:21:35 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:52:57 -!- oklopol has joined. 08:42:30 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:57:16 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 09:58:49 zzo38: yes, what fizzie said, but with the additional trick is that the heap address is large on x86_64 because it's more convenient to manage a contiguous (in virtual address space) heap 09:59:31 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 11:32:57 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 12:16:49 [[BFC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58048&oldid=57928 * Sinthorion * (+2242) 12:25:07 [[BFC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58049&oldid=58048 * Sinthorion * (+658) 12:26:07 [[BFC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58050&oldid=58049 * Sinthorion * (+40) /* Layer 1 */ 12:29:02 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:31:29 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 12:40:00 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:48:06 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:06:03 -!- arseniiv__ has joined. 13:31:57 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:38:27 -!- sleepnap has joined. 13:42:26 -!- arseniiv__ has changed nick to arseniiv. 13:53:02 -!- oklopol has joined. 13:55:16 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:35:55 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:39:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:53:18 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 16:05:38 -!- erkin has joined. 16:08:27 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 16:08:27 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 16:14:08 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:36:53 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:05:31 -!- sleepnap has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:11:56 -!- sleepnap has joined. 17:19:35 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 17:22:56 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:34:02 [[Talk:BFC]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58051 * Sinthorion * (+1396) Created page with " === Idea: Variadic template parameters === Example: {printc:c:_{c}+.} {prints:*s:{printc:{s}}_} {prints:48:65:6C:6C:6F} (prints "Hello") Explanation: Any param..." 17:42:10 [[BFC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58052&oldid=58050 * Sinthorion * (+592) defaults / template overloading 17:42:50 [[BFC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58053&oldid=58052 * Sinthorion * (+9) 17:46:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:46:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 17:46:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:54:59 I think the best way to 1-up sqlite would be to use a code of conduct even older, say excerpted from Lucretius or Marcus Aurelius 18:01:29 Let no act be done without a purpose, nor otherwise than according to the perfect principles of art. -- Imp. C. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Aug. 18:04:58 if i have two comparison functions and a set of elements 18:05:35 what data structure can i use to quickly find an element that's >X according to one criterion, and >Y according to the other one? 18:12:47 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Rebooting). 18:20:12 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:17:54 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:32:07 izabera: a treap, maybe? 19:33:02 izabera: or perhaps just two trees 19:35:57 i'm using two trees 19:36:10 but i can't find which elements match both conditions 19:36:16 like, not efficiently 19:36:34 best i can do is basically a linear scan 19:56:16 -!- john_metcalf has joined. 20:04:24 You're not going to be able to do it better than O(N) no matter what 20:12:56 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 21:36:16 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:38:36 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:54:58 -!- MDead has joined. 22:55:03 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:55:06 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 23:01:21 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:09:53 `le/rn hammurabi//If anyone creates a webpage that unexpectedly starts playing sounds, he shall be put to death. http://45338297.weebly.com/laws-on-property-and-theft.html 23:09:55 Learned 'hammurabi': If anyone creates a webpage that unexpectedly starts playing sounds, he shall be put to death. http://45338297.weebly.com/laws-on-property-and-theft.html 23:10:25 * oerjan was trying to look up some better sources for oren 23:13:34 `slwd hammurabi//s,I,From Hammurabi's law: I, 23:13:35 hammurabi//From Hammurabi's law: If anyone creates a webpage that unexpectedly starts playing sounds, he shall be put to death. http://45338297.weebly.com/laws-on-property-and-theft.html 23:13:58 (before i get put to death for violating the laws of wisdom) 23:19:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:46:44 PLAV SPACE INVADERS 23:59:10 @wn plav 23:59:11 No match for "plav". 23:59:20 NO SUCH WORD 2018-10-24: 00:37:39 Play Commodore PET Space Invaders, get high score screen 00:40:53 Or actually just wait 00:41:46 https://imgur.com/x2yf9dF 00:42:05 Alien thing comes and fixes the V with a Y 00:43:48 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:47:48 OKAV 01:10:38 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 03:17:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:47:05 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:04:58 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 04:07:31 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:12:58 -!- oklopol has joined. 04:54:51 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:00:00 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58054&oldid=58045 * JonoCode9374 * (+50) /* Future Ideas */ 05:22:07 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:26:34 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 05:45:40 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 06:33:38 @wn pilaf 06:33:39 *** "pilaf" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 06:33:39 pilaf 06:33:39 n 1: rice cooked in well-seasoned broth with onions or celery 06:33:39 and usually poultry or game or shellfish and sometimes 06:33:39 tomatoes [syn: {pilaf}, {pilaff}, {pilau}, {pilaw}] 06:34:21 @tell oerjan I'd take "plav" for a variant spelling of "pilaf", but who knows. 06:34:21 Consider it noted. 07:00:44 -!- oklopol has joined. 07:15:39 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:54:33 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58055&oldid=58054 * JonoCode9374 * (+97) /* Hello World */ 07:55:16 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:55:29 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58056&oldid=58055 * JonoCode9374 * (+218) /* Commands */ 07:56:06 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58057&oldid=58056 * JonoCode9374 * (+35) /* Interpreting modes */ 07:57:22 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58058&oldid=58057 * JonoCode9374 * (-266) 08:02:47 [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58059&oldid=58058 * JonoCode9374 * (+78) /* Examples */ 08:07:48 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:42:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:54:28 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:08:00 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 09:09:02 izabera: one of those crazy geometric stuff like quadtrees or R-trees, eg. https://sqlite.org/rtree.html 09:10:17 oerjan: dude, that is exactly the sort of stuff for which we don't need laws, but only a technological solution where you start all your browser threads muted and your browser marks which tabs are trying to play sound 09:13:34 oerjan: I personally have more problems with websites that unexpectedly start playing high res videos, because I have an old computer at home that doesn't have the resources for that. In particular, youtube unpauses the video two or three times when you load a youtube page by default. 09:28:51 hey Taneb why don't you come to the uk championship this weekend 09:43:45 Which UK championship 10:07:34 https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/competitions/UKC2018 10:08:20 Ah, I see 10:45:58 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:54:28 -!- sftp has quit (Excess Flood). 11:54:45 -!- sftp has joined. 11:58:13 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:26:40 -!- MDead has joined. 12:27:40 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:27:45 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 12:39:05 [[Precognition]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58060 * Ais523 * (+30869) now that I've worked out the details, this is definitely worth posting even if I don't get around to implementing it 12:39:46 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58061&oldid=57974 * Ais523 * (+19) /* P */ +[[Precognition]] 12:40:10 [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58062&oldid=57554 * Ais523 * (+18) +[[Precognition]] 12:42:32 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:42:41 I just posted a new esolang to the wiki 12:43:01 the ideas behind this have been brewing for years, and it was originally several different languages 12:43:22 but I only noticed that they could all be merged pretty easily a few days ago, and the spec wasn't too hard to write 12:43:29 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Precognition 12:44:10 it's one of those languages which should be easy to implement, but hard to implement efficiently 12:44:54 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:45:06 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:55:35 "The simplest way to implement this is to run all the possibilities in parallel until one of them happens to find a solution, then discard all the others. Implementations are free to choose a more efficient algorithm if they wish." 12:55:39 okay 12:56:08 ais523: if you're interested, I've written an incredibly simple program that cracks SHA256 hashes 12:56:46 but it's not particularly efficient 12:57:59 which is an ordered list for which each elements can be a lexemes or a groupemes. <<< are you sure you want thoses -s here? it looks like plural 12:59:52 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:00:07 that's probably a typo 13:00:12 it's hard to proofread pages this long 13:01:23 [[Precognition]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58063&oldid=58060 * Ais523 * (-2) fix typo pointed out by LKoen on IRC 13:02:04 well, it's the first occurrence of those two words on that page, so I couldn't be sure 13:04:33 the sentence was originally arranged differently, I missed changing the bits in italic when I changed the rest of it 13:10:35 ais523: ah, this one isn't the analog computer, ri9ght? 13:12:38 wob_jonas: right, it's an entirely different language 13:12:55 it's something of a cross between regex, lisp, prolog and m4 13:25:20 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 13:25:20 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 13:29:06 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 13:41:22 [[Precognition]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58064&oldid=58063 * B jonas * (+0) metagroupemes representation 13:57:28 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 14:24:09 [[Precognition]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58065&oldid=58064 * B jonas * (-1) typo 14:24:17 Taneb: ? 14:24:54 izabera: are you going? And if so, for what? 14:25:55 alluvit 14:26:37 I see, competing? 14:27:32 yeah but i'm mostly just hanging around 14:27:47 i'll try not to get last place in at least one puzzle 14:30:26 Well, the way to do that is to pay for me to compete too 14:30:40 (please don't do that) 14:33:54 i'll buy you a whole coffee at cafè nero 14:41:07 I have a caffeine intolerance 14:59:24 then i'll use it as a threat 15:04:00 Well, I can't do Friday, definitely 15:06:53 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:09:08 @tell b_jonas that law was parodied on the website listed, did you visit it? 15:09:08 Consider it noted. 15:09:18 @tell wob_jonas that law was parodied on the website listed, did you visit it? 15:09:18 Consider it noted. 15:09:37 [[Talk:Precognition]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58066 * B jonas * (+2459) Created page with "== Questions about the specs == #Why don't you separate the initial sring from the parts by a part separator ; , and perhaps distinguish type I parts by a traili..." 15:10:00 hm he's around but not here 15:10:44 @messages-piloud 15:10:44 int-e said 8h 36m 23s ago: I'd take "plav" for a variant spelling of "pilaf", but who knows. 15:12:53 also, now i want some pilaf :( 15:13:19 but am too lazy to cook 15:14:19 no olist yet 15:23:03 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:23:24 oerjan: I don't get the context. What law, discussed where? 15:30:58 -!- Cale has joined. 15:31:00 -!- sleepnap has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:32:28 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:35:11 `@ wob_jonas `? hammurabi 15:35:12 wob_jonas: Can't exec "`?": No such file or directory at /hackenv/bin/@ line 2. 15:35:15 oops 15:35:22 `@ wob_jonas ? hammurabi 15:35:23 wob_jonas: From Hammurabi's law: If anyone creates a webpage that unexpectedly starts playing sounds, he shall be put to death. http://45338297.weebly.com/laws-on-property-and-theft.html 15:38:29 ok 16:04:45 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 16:27:43 [[Mice in a maze/mice.py]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58067 * Koen * (+5519) A [[Mice in a maze]] interpreter in python. 17:24:17 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 17:25:18 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:29:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:32:02 -!- sleffy has joined. 17:32:02 -!- sleffy has quit (Client Quit). 17:32:21 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 17:32:21 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:37:36 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:38:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:38:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 17:38:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:43:40 [[Talk:Precognition]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58068&oldid=58066 * Ais523 * (+1221) replies 17:45:16 [[Mice in a maze]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58069&oldid=43943 * Koen * (+191) Add section "Implementation" and categories: Implemented, Two-dimensional languages, Concurrent programming 17:46:31 [[Precognition]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58070&oldid=58065 * Ais523 * (+125) clarifications per talk 17:52:07 hmmm 17:52:31 I wanted to write a parallel implementation of the Hello World example in Maze 17:52:45 to showcase the language's ability to run several mice in the maze 17:52:50 in Mice in the maze* 17:53:14 but actually, all mice share the same brainfuck tape pointer 17:53:46 so that requires a lot more thought 17:54:30 (also the purpose is to brag about a "more efficient" hello world implementation, because it would cost fewer ticks... but each tick would be used to execute two instructions instead of one, so there's no real gain) 18:20:07 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:39:25 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 18:43:29 -!- fungot has joined. 18:48:51 -!- arseniiv has quit (*.net *.split). 18:48:51 -!- oren has quit (*.net *.split). 18:48:51 -!- Melvar has quit (*.net *.split). 18:48:51 -!- fractal has quit (*.net *.split). 18:48:52 -!- erdic has quit (*.net *.split). 18:48:52 -!- int-e has quit (*.net *.split). 18:48:52 -!- fungot` has quit (*.net *.split). 18:49:31 -!- erdic has joined. 18:49:50 -!- Melvar has joined. 18:59:08 -!- oren has joined. 19:04:54 -!- fractal has joined. 19:38:15 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 19:49:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 19:53:28 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 19:59:35 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 20:00:39 -!- int-e has joined. 20:02:00 -!- xkapastel has joined. 20:09:54 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 20:20:36 -!- LKoen has joined. 20:25:12 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:36:47 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:48:34 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 21:01:30 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:26:41 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 21:29:32 -!- aloril_ has joined. 21:33:04 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:53:47 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:55:56 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 21:56:11 [[Temporal]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58071 * Plokmijnuhby * (+2485) Created page with "Temporal is a stack-based time-travel language by ~~~ (we don't appear to have one yet, and it's not like they're hard to design). 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And I'm a computer guy, so they gave me actual keybaords, not a cashier or mobile phone company customer service guy who's forced to use a touchscreen, and they gave me two more types of keyboards to try when I didn't like the first one, but st 10:04:41 ill this cheap one tops any of those three easily. 10:13:23 -!- sftp has quit (Excess Flood). 10:16:07 -!- sftp has joined. 10:51:54 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 10:53:47 -!- Essadon has joined. 10:54:12 -!- arseniiv_ has changed nick to arseniiv. 11:00:44 Argh, this is a stressful day during work. Good thing I'm going to leave early.\ 11:53:09 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 11:53:35 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:58:03 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:01:58 [[Temporal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58072&oldid=58071 * Ais523 * (-47) fix the format of the author attribution to comply with policy 12:14:10 -!- moei has joined. 12:49:40 [[Bf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58073 * Sinthorion * (+23) added redirect 12:49:59 [[Brainf**k]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58074 * Sinthorion * (+23) added redirect 12:50:21 [[B****fuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58075 * Sinthorion * (+23) Redirected page to [[Brainfuck]] 13:14:38 fungot: hello 13:14:38 int-e: utf-8 is an encoding for humans to tell the time in symbolic processing programs. 13:15:01 `? utf-8 13:15:02 utf-8? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:15:04 `? utf8 13:15:06 utf8? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 13:15:10 `? unicode 13:15:11 Unicode is a mess invented in 1988 by Xerox, Microsoft, the Spanish Inquisition, and the evil Human Supremacy Corporation, in order to make it easier for the government to spy on Chinese people. 13:15:30 `learn utf-8 is an encoding for humans to tell the time in symbolic processing programs. 13:15:33 Learned 'utf-8': utf-8 is an encoding for humans to tell the time in symbolic processing programs. 13:16:40 `` ln -s wisdom/{utf-8,utf8} 13:16:42 No output. 13:16:44 err 13:17:22 `` rm wisdom/utf8; ln wisdom/{utf-8,utf8} 13:17:24 No output. 13:18:16 `? fungot 13:18:16 int-e: consider the example in cps. 13:18:17 fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. 13:23:09 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:24:11 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 13:33:32 -!- user24 has joined. 13:34:15 -!- yaewa has joined. 13:35:28 -!- moei has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:54:35 \oren\: I wonder why unicode put so many rare latin letters for african languages that nobody really writes and IPA stuff and combining marks and all that sort of nonsense in the low 2048 codepoints, like between U+0180 and U+036F inclusive, when those low 2048 characters (the ones that take one or two bytes in utf-8) are so precious. 13:55:00 Wouldn't they have been better used for characters that more people are likely to use often, like fullwidth kana? 13:57:54 -!- sleepnap has joined. 13:59:36 [[Temporal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58076&oldid=58072 * Plokmijnuhby * (+879) Extended intro and created paradox 14:14:12 Mind you, some of the rest of that 2048 is actually useful stuff, like cyrillic and hebrew characters 14:21:30 int-e, Firefly: can you help figure out this nonsense and put it right? vvv 14:21:36 ``` hg cat -r11321 wisdom/fonts 14:21:37 ​ , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ & https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 14:21:38 ``` cat wisdom/font 14:21:39 ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ 14:21:40 ``` cat wisdom/fonts 14:21:40 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:21:40 ​ , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ & https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 14:23:52 `paste wisdom/fonts 14:23:52 https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom/fonts 14:26:19 `le/rn fonts//#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ &... 14:26:21 Relearned 'fonts': #esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ &... 14:26:25 ...https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 14:26:28 meh 14:27:18 `slwd wisdom//s=...$= https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984= 14:27:19 wisdom//wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 14:27:27 `revert 14:27:28 Done. 14:27:34 `slwd fonts//s=...$= https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984= 14:27:36 fonts//#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ & https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 14:27:51 something like that 14:29:36 `? font 14:29:37 ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ 14:29:39 `? fonts 14:29:40 ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ & https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 14:29:47 okay, I'm confused. 14:30:18 also pretty much confused for multiple mentions. 14:30:24 hi ya 14:32:11 hi lifthrashiir, sorry for the pings, it's just a wisdom entry that got too long and you're mentioned in it 14:32:42 int-e: part of the problem is that the wisdom entry got too long. perhaps we should remove the second link for lifthr's font 14:33:46 `rm wisdom/fonts 14:33:47 No output. 14:33:49 `? fonts 14:33:50 ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ 14:34:02 `? font 14:34:05 ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ 14:34:31 there's no good reason to have both 'font' and 'fonts'... and the former is the one that looks more up to date. 14:35:07 (in that somebody went through the effort of removing the samples to make more room) 14:36:22 where somebody = wob_jonas 14:37:07 int-e: yes, I guess I just didn't notice that there was also a wisdom/fonts, and maybe I'm responsible for creating that one... let me see 14:37:25 how does the builtin `paste work? 14:38:12 wob_jonas: UTF-8 was pretty much an afterthought for Unicode, the original Unicode standard was roughly structured into general (smaller) scripts (U+0xxx & 1xxx), punctuations and symbols (U+2xxx), CJK scripts (U+3xxx and beyond), private use characters (U+Exxx & Fxxx <= U+F8FF) and specials (U+FExx & FFxx). 14:39:32 Unicode originally only wanted to encode modern scripts, so that structure can be planned ahead of time 14:39:54 `stat bin/paste 14:39:54 ​ File: bin/paste \ Size: 267 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 12h/18dInode: 1204642 Links: 1 \ Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 1000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 1000/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2018-04-07 22:41:28.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2018-04-07 22:41:28.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2018-04-07 22:41:28.000000000 +0000 \ Birth: - 14:40:12 `paste bin/paste 14:40:13 https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/paste 14:40:33 lifthrashiir: I see 14:40:39 also eww 14:40:56 ah I should be using `url 14:40:59 that's the sort of thing why I wasn't so eager to swtiching 14:44:48 wob_jonas: that also explains why we have CJK ideograph extension A (U+3400 thru U+4DBF) *before* CJK unified ideograph (U+4E00 thru U+9FFF) :-D 14:45:16 int-e: whewh no, I blame Firefwisdom/fonts 14:45:23 I blame FireFly for wisdom/fonts 14:45:55 lifthrasiir: I don't much care about the _order_, because it's hard to plan that sort of thing in advance. 14:46:10 it's just the waste of the starting 2048 long block that seems bad 14:46:26 wob_jonas: yeah, but it does give a historical clue about the initial allocation method 14:46:42 and I also understand that sometimes it's hard to tell in advance which characters would get lots of use 14:48:05 the original CJK scripts as of Unicode 1.0.1 were encoded as like: general & Japanese & Bopomofo (thru U+33FF), Hangul (thru U+4DFF), then CJK unified ideograph (thru U+9FFF) 14:48:44 and then Hangul got relocated to U+AC00 thru U+D7FF (so that, well, it is located right behind surrogate pairs that were new in Unicode 2.0) 14:49:23 so a big hole where Hangul has left were reused for CJK ext A 14:49:25 was* 15:02:58 ok 15:08:59 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:09:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 15:09:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 15:11:17 -!- user24 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:12:18 [[TCC]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58077 * A * (+613) Created page with ""TCC" stands for "Table Changing Code". It was inspired by SQL. ==Syntax== It has a simple syntax. 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utf-8 01:10:10 utf-8 is an encoding for humans to tell the time in symbolic processing programs. 01:10:13 `? utf8 01:10:14 utf-8 is an encoding for humans to tell the time in symbolic processing programs. 01:10:23 `` ls -l wisdom/utf8 01:10:24 ​-rw-r--r-- 2 1000 1000 82 Oct 25 13:15 wisdom/utf8 01:10:44 `` ls -l wisdom/utf-8 01:10:45 ​-rw-r--r-- 2 1000 1000 82 Oct 25 13:15 wisdom/utf-8 01:11:44 (did int-e really make a hard link and do those work in HackEso?) 01:15:27 `? font 01:15:28 ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ 03:56:42 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:10:27 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:10:31 -!- oklopol has joined. 04:17:48 Sgeo_: more than a week since the last olist, what's up? 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07:47:50 fizzie: and obviously, checking for visible signs of damage 07:48:00 fizzie: also, that sucks 07:49:00 Not quite that formally, although I've definitely charged it for various intervals with various amounts of time in-between. Could keep doing it, I guess. 07:49:34 -!- nfd has joined. 07:49:52 The Pixel was just on top of a bedside table, a little hard to see how it could've gotten physically damaged. Although it is prerelease hardware, so maybe some reduced reliability is to be expected. 07:51:02 The 5X is a regular retail unit though. 07:52:15 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:52:33 yeah, the hardware hating you can be a good explanation for this 08:19:54 -!- Spooktober has quit (Quit: * 𝐆 𝐇 𝐎 𝐒 𝐓 𝐍 𝐎 𝐈 𝐒 𝐄 𝐒 *). 08:20:15 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:20:31 -!- tromp has joined. 08:22:11 -!- Spooktober has joined. 09:20:24 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:33:07 -!- ski_ has changed nick to ski. 10:02:03 [[User:Jabutosama]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58083&oldid=53569 * Jabutosama * (-205) Replaced content with "er" 10:07:08 -!- joast has joined. 10:41:05 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 11:12:16 -!- joast has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:25:45 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:28:12 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 11:40:55 -!- xkapastel has joined. 11:58:32 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:59:06 -!- sleepnap has joined. 13:03:38 -!- joast has joined. 13:05:33 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 13:05:33 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 13:34:25 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Shadow0133 * New user account 13:42:55 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58084&oldid=58036 * Shadow0133 * (+279) /* Introductions */ Add myself. 13:43:16 [[BytePusher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58085&oldid=46747 * Shadow0133 * (+104) /* Machines */ Add Rust implementation by Shadow0133 13:44:13 [[BytePusher]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58086&oldid=58085 * Shadow0133 * (+11) /* Machines */ Small corection 13:54:01 -!- moei has joined. 15:40:30 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:48:16 -!- sftp has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 15:48:18 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:53:05 -!- sftp has joined. 16:13:56 Just to correct myself, the 5X isn't totally dead. After enough messing around with the buttons, I got it to a mode where it identifies as "Product: QHSUSB__BULK" to USB and presents a ttyUSB0 serial device, which I believe is some sort of emergency low-level bootloader thing. 16:14:14 Nothing on screen though, and the only thing that gets printed on the serial port is "0". 16:22:04 `` dc <<<1p 16:22:05 ​/hackenv/bin/dc: line 1: /usr/bin/dc: No such file or directory 16:23:14 Oh, that's a shame. I think I should install dc. 16:24:15 `` dc <<<1p 16:24:16 1 16:24:23 fizzie++ 17:00:21 -!- erkin has joined. 17:37:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:37:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 17:37:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:24:42 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 18:26:43 -!- nfd has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:27:29 -!- nfd has joined. 18:30:28 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:46:12 -!- sleepnap has left. 19:16:58 [[Embedded HQ9+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58087 * Osmarks * (+842) Created page with "'''Embedded HQ9+''' is a variant of [[HQ9+]] designed for use on embedded systems. 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It look like good idea, and I also had my own ideas of how to make a better kind of web browser program though. I don't like "If the user does not supply a protocol in a URL, https will be assumed", but I don't like http to be assumed either. I think that if the user does not specify the protocol then it should be treated as a relative URL. 01:46:49 -!- imode has joined. 01:51:49 @metar ENVA 01:51:50 ENVA 270150Z 12004KT CAVOK M02/M02 Q1010 RMK WIND 670FT 10007KT 02:22:14 -!- xkapastel has joined. 02:42:31 -!- nfd has joined. 02:46:18 -!- nfd9001 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:54:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:01:02 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 05:02:00 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:08:21 I made the Free Code of Conduct: https://arin.ga/1SLm5J Please to complain about anything that is wrong with it, in order that I can correct it. 05:29:25 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:32:03 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:13:37 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:42:55 Well, I have a working laptop, assuming I can live without X 07:43:52 Who wants to read half-baked thoughts about error handling? http://slbkbs.org/ tmp/5-error-handling.txt 07:44:20 Minus the space because I don't want web crawlers to index it and I'm too lazy to use robots.txt 08:17:58 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:09:15 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:34:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:34:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 09:34:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:43:56 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:16:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:19:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:19:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 10:19:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:40:15 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:29:02 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:30:31 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 11:30:31 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 11:30:31 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 12:11:57 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:12:27 -!- Essadon has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 12:12:53 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:20:31 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:35:19 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:36:04 @tell wob_jonas Unicode wasn't designed with UTF-8 in mind; people would have been expecting to use UCS-2 or UTF-1 at the time, in which the first 2048 codepoints aren't anything special 13:36:04 Consider it noted. 13:42:13 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:42:50 -!- tromp has joined. 14:13:06 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:13:08 -!- erkin has joined. 14:13:22 -!- tromp has joined. 14:15:17 @wn yes 14:15:18 *** "yes" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 14:15:18 yes 14:15:18 n 1: an affirmative; "I was hoping for a yes" [ant: {no}] 14:15:31 hmm, wordnet thinks it's a noun 14:15:55 and it is when it's used in that example sentence, but that isn't the most common use of it 14:35:09 @wn hmm 14:35:10 No match for "hmm". 14:35:46 "hmm" is an interjection, isn't it? 14:35:48 @wn ouch 14:35:49 No match for "ouch". 14:35:59 does this thing not have interjections? 14:36:00 @wn hooray 14:36:02 *** "hooray" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 14:36:02 hooray 14:36:02 n 1: a victory cheer; "let's give the team a big hurrah" [syn: 14:36:02 {hurrah}, {hooray}] 14:36:24 @google wordnet hmm 14:36:25 http://www.dsic.upv.es/~fpla/ARTICLES2002/iberamia02pp69.pdf 14:36:25 Title: A Hidden Markov Model Approach to word Sense Disambiguation 14:36:27 :-P 14:36:37 fizzie would probably approve. 14:37:26 @wn hello 14:37:27 *** "hello" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 14:37:27 hello 14:37:27 n 1: an expression of greeting; "every morning they exchanged 14:37:27 polite hellos" [syn: {hello}, {hullo}, {hi}, {howdy}, {how- 14:37:27 do-you-do}] 14:37:40 I'm not sure "hello" is the same category as "hmm" 14:38:05 in each case, though, if Wordnet has the word at all, it's only the noun that describes an individual act of saying the word in question 14:38:47 …now it seems strange that those words tend to be nouns, as forming a verb from them seems more natural 14:39:26 English doesn't let you say "I yessed" even though it's a more direct construction; presumably, an act of saying "yes" would be a "yessing" or "yessation" 14:39:42 . o O ( All this yessing and noing makes me dizzy. ) 14:40:19 doesn't that need quotes: "yes"sing and "no"ing 14:40:21 ? 14:40:41 err, I meant to use the ?: punctuation mark rather than to put the ? at the end 14:47:00 ais523: It was intended to be wrong grammar. I'm not sure that adding quotes makes it correct. 14:47:21 @google verbification 14:47:22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_(word_formation) 14:47:31 oh, it seemed natural enough to me, especially in spoken English 14:51:04 There are perfectly good verbs for this purpose: "agree" and "disagree", or "confirm" and "deny", depending on context. 14:51:42 (besides the obvious... to say "yes" or "no") 15:24:20 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:38:26 "?:" is a punctuation mark that doesn't get enough use, really 16:19:43 -!- arseniiv has joined. 16:21:48 [[Talk:Mice in a maze]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58090 * Koen * (+350) Two mice, one tape pointer? 16:28:10 -!- arseniiv has quit (Quit: gone completely :o). 16:41:02 -!- arseniiv has joined. 16:41:25 What is a "?:" punctuation mark? The only thing I know to use ?: is a GNU extension in C programming (which might be the GNU extension I use most often, actually). 16:48:56 zzo38: it's when you want to ask a question but give more data afterwards 16:49:07 like "which of these colors has the longest name?: red, green, blue" 16:49:19 OK 16:49:23 you can put the question mark at the end but that doesn't really work when the data is considerably longer than in that example 16:49:25 That make sense 16:49:51 I don't think it's standard yet? but it should be 16:55:09 did you mean?: "I don't think it's standard yet?: but it should be" 16:55:34 that seems like a misuse of the punctuation :-D 17:01:05 btw, I was intrigued by zzo38's suggestion that entering a protocol-less URL into a web browser should interpret the URL as relative 17:01:30 it's a pity that most websites aren't intended to be navigated via their directory structure of URLs 17:25:37 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Backspace * New user account 17:26:35 . o O ( The most annoying thing about the pumping lemma for regular languages is that there are several of them. ) 17:54:51 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58091&oldid=58084 * Backspace * (+268) /* Introductions */ 18:16:45 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Noisytoot * New user account 18:19:28 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58092&oldid=58091 * Noisytoot * (+53) 18:35:59 [[ROT13-Ruby]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58093 * Noisytoot * (+581) Added ROT13-Ruby 18:36:26 [[ROT13-Ruby]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58094&oldid=58093 * Noisytoot * (+0) 18:49:00 [[ROT13-Ruby]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58095&oldid=58094 * Noisytoot * (+50) 19:08:10 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:08:22 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:16:03 -!- imode has joined. 20:10:29 I think I may have read that paper when I needed a word sense disambiguation approach for something. Can't remember at all what it was for. 20:13:09 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:14:02 cute: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/encryption-lava-lamps 20:14:37 What, no mention of Lavarand in the article at all? 20:14:54 Somehow, no, but I found it via the lavarand wikipedia page 20:16:02 I did not know that Landon Curt Noll was involved though... 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I made the extension code to treat the location bar in Firefox as relative, so it does like that too; if after pushing control-L next key will be a cursor movement key then you can edit the existing URL (whether or not this extension is in use). 01:45:51 -!- LKoen has joined. 01:50:07 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:14:54 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:27:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:43:07 -!- iconmaster has joined. 02:43:17 -!- iconmaster has quit (Client Quit). 02:59:27 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:01:14 -!- erdic has joined. 03:09:39 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:15:31 Is there a function in GCC to specify that you don't care what value it is? 03:15:58 Like an explicitly uninitalized value? 03:17:41 Yes, or it might generate no code if it is directly assigned to something, if doing so would be more optimal, but might also initialize it if it can make a code that initializes an entire block of values at once, then it might be better to not have to copy out the old value first, are some examples 03:42:29 Right. 03:42:38 I've thought about this and I don't know of something in GCC. 03:42:54 Rust has std::mem::uninitialized() 03:43:13 Does something like ({ int x; x; }) working? Unfortunately I don't know. 03:43:43 I would imagine not. 03:44:23 OK 03:44:42 I just asked a question in #gcc about statement expressions. 03:44:59 20:20 If I have a statement expression that exits early (e.g. ({return 0;}) ), it looks like it gets assigned the type void. But I'd like it to behave more like it can have "any" type, since the value is never actually used. Can I do that? 03:45:04 20:21 (In particular I want a macro that can take a statement expression that either yields a value or exits early.) 03:45:49 Yes, that would make sense I think, but maybe you can put the other type after the return 03:46:22 -!- LKoen has joined. 03:46:26 Yes, but I want this to be convenient to write. 03:46:39 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:46:54 MACRO(..., { 5; }); MACRO(..., { break; }); 03:47:03 OK 03:47:22 -!- LKoen has joined. 03:51:36 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:00:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:34:05 Man, ALGOL 68 got this right. 05:03:49 How is ALGOL 68 doing? 05:04:09 I'm not sure it actually got this right. 05:04:26 But it has nonlocal goto, and labels can be turned into procedures that can be passed as arguments. 05:05:04 Such thing is sometimes helpful to have. 05:07:10 If you can compile the code to support multiple entry points 05:26:50 zzo38: Do you know what a "macro" type thing that takes block arguments would look like? 05:26:58 A lot of people use lambdas, but in general they don't support early exit. 05:40:56 I don't quite know 06:09:06 Have you written any Magic: the Puzzling where it is necessary to concede? 06:09:38 (especially if more than once, or if multiple players need to concede, or if you have to take into account the possibility of an opponent conceding in a team game) 06:41:15 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:04:35 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:04:47 -!- tromp has joined. 08:05:31 -!- hakatashi1 has joined. 08:07:47 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:08:49 -!- hakatashi has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:08:49 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:10:41 -!- pikhq has joined. 09:02:44 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:03:22 -!- arseniiv has joined. 09:06:57 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 09:16:28 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:17:06 -!- tromp has joined. 09:22:11 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:22:23 -!- tromp has joined. 09:25:41 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:32:39 [[WHY]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58100&oldid=58099 * Osmarks * (+263) More WHYJIT improvements. 09:32:56 hello 09:36:18 [[WHY]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58101&oldid=58100 * Osmarks * (+3) 09:38:27 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:45:22 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:45:59 -!- tromp has joined. 09:55:06 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:55:21 -!- tromp has joined. 10:07:44 -!- clog has joined. 10:15:11 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:15:49 -!- tromp has joined. 10:42:36 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:42:51 -!- tromp has joined. 11:26:42 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 11:29:39 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Disconnected by services). 11:29:44 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 11:30:11 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 11:30:12 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 11:39:04 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:40:44 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:41:20 -!- tromp has joined. 11:59:49 -!- xkapastel has joined. 12:05:31 -!- roofolala has joined. 12:08:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:08:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 12:08:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:10:44 -!- roofolala has left. 12:55:02 [[APLWSI]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58102&oldid=57864 * Weirdlang * (+4) 13:18:03 -!- Essadon has joined. 13:19:43 [[WHY]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58103&oldid=58101 * Osmarks * (+4) Fix compiler. 13:39:58 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:44:46 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:36:08 fungot: what's up? 14:36:09 int-e: probably not though. :) it was only in one fnord hacking session, iirc. i am all, that results in f being returned 14:56:50 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:58:06 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:03:15 -!- erkin has joined. 15:09:24 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:10:04 zzo38: back some time ago I asked some rules questions on how conceding in M:tG works. I think there might be some traces on this channel logs too, but I'm not sure. 15:11:02 zzo38: one particular case I was interested in is when you concede while an opponent is casting Hex, before he selected the targets, and since your permanents are removed when you concede, he won't have enough creatures to target. 15:11:15 The question was what gets reverted as casting Hex is undone. 15:12:01 Eventually I decided that while the rules might define how this works, this is one of the few things I'd really want to houserule, to make conceding work saner. 15:12:07 I think conceding is not reverted but all of the other stuff is. 15:12:26 Not for practical reasons, but more for theoretical reasons that is, 15:12:41 to make the rules easier to understand from a rules engine point. 15:13:33 This isn't something that's come up in practical games, especially as it turns out that the rules say that if you concede, then all your teammates concede too, so any of our 2v2 games end when someone concede. 15:13:45 (Duels end too, obviously.) 15:14:36 That only applies in two headed giant game. 15:14:47 It does not apply to Team vs Team. 15:14:50 hmm 15:14:57 let me check 15:15:27 I'm really bad at multiplayer rules 15:16:09 it took us years before we started to even play Oblivion Ring correctly (when you leave the game, the permanent removed by an Oblivion Ring or similar isn't returned to play) 15:16:29 despite that O-Ring and similar permanents were played a lot in our decks 15:17:47 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:18:16 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:19:07 Which team variant do you play? If you play Two Headed Giant then you are correct that it ends immediately if only one player concede, otherwise, it doesn't. 15:20:07 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 15:20:19 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:20:33 zzo38: sorry, you're right. that only applies to two-headed giant indeed 15:20:45 no, we don't play two-headed giant 15:21:20 we play vanilla four player two teams of two, with the default attack rules (in each attack phase you choose which player to attack), with a few houserules: 15:22:23 the players of a team sit opposite of each other, not in front; they should try not to communicate in secret during the game (this is loosely defined, since they can communicate in secret in advance); 15:23:13 the player that's first to play draws one card less at the start; we play matches of one games so no sideboard stuff (this isn't really a houserule); 15:23:20 and... um, what else was it 15:23:31 those are definitely the most important ones 15:24:33 definitely no two-headed giant rules, so every player gets 20 life with separate life totals, no commander rules 15:24:47 That is like Alternating Teams variant without rule 811.2b and 800.6 15:25:26 "Alternating Teams"? since when was that a rule? /me checks 15:25:58 since a long time, apparently 15:26:06 Rule 811.2a is not used here either, although it is not relevant it look like 15:26:38 since 2010 15:26:41 However, note that if you do not use any of the multiplayer options for combat, which player you attack is decided during the begin combat step, rather than the attack step. (This means it is possible to do stuff in between.) 15:27:20 hmm... I'm not sure how exactly we played that, but yes, that's probably right about start of combat 15:27:48 Since it is 2 vs 2, rule 811.2a and 811.4 are not applicable. All of your opponents are going to be seated next to you. 15:29:09 ugh no, I'd never use "limited range of influence". that's the most horrible abomination in the rules. I don't think it would ever possible to get sane rules while using it nontrivially. 15:29:30 that one is for drunken parties, not for (mostly) mathematicians playing M:tG 15:29:47 mind you, playing them in their free time to turn their minds off, not for puzzles or anything 15:29:59 that's why I like M:tG, not chess or bridge or go 15:30:04 but still 15:31:33 `card-by-name master warcraft 15:31:33 Master Warcraft \ 2(r/w)(r/w) \ Instant \ Cast this spell only before attackers are declared. \ You choose which creatures attack this turn. \ You choose which creatures block this turn and how those creatures block. \ RAV-R, CMD-R, CMA-R 15:32:25 Yes, I don't like "limited range of influence" either, but it is not applicable if you are playing only 2 vs 2, because the range of influence is 2 left and 2 right, and there are only 4 players so everyone is in your range of influence, so range of influence is not applicable. 15:34:27 when we're not playing 2v2, we're playing duel, or sometimes used to play 1v1v1 but that always got too long and boring, or once tried archenemy 15:34:53 limited roi or alternating opponents isn't applicable to those 15:36:43 if we have five people, then one sits out or watches the game or assists a player, because there's no sane game mode we want to play with 5 players, and enough things to do (rearrange decks, eat etc) to not get the party boring with 5 people 15:37:09 it's 3 people that's the big problem 15:38:08 we try to avoid that by organizing M:tG on dates where we have at least four people who can come; otherwise play other board games of 3 15:40:29 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:41:00 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:41:27 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:43:57 There are other card games for five players, such as Napoleon (which is a card game designed for five players, in teams of two and three or one and four, but you bid like in bridge and then the declarer names a card and whoever holds that card is his partner, but only that player knows who it is until the named card is played) 15:44:29 sure, and other board games too. but five people was never a problem for M:tG. 15:45:33 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:46:17 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:58:10 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:58:23 -!- tromp has joined. 16:26:32 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 16:49:33 -!- imode has joined. 17:13:50 -!- zzo38 has quit (Disconnected by services). 17:13:54 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:38:13 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:40:34 -!- XorSwap has joined. 17:42:26 -!- XorSwap has quit (Client Quit). 18:01:48 -!- Konk has joined. 18:02:08 -!- Konk has left ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"). 18:56:46 Do you like so far the class/image selection menu recently implemented in Free Hero Mesh? It is not quite finish yet though; the selection does not actually do anything yet once it is selected, although you can select them. 19:55:32 TIL that ghc does fixity resolution after splicing template haskell expressions... how do I unsee that mess :) 20:01:31 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * OdinSmodin * New user account 20:02:52 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:04:00 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:14:08 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58104&oldid=58092 * OdinSmodin * (+196) /* Introductions */ 20:31:45 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:51:27 -!- reconcyl_ has joined. 20:51:43 hello 20:52:27 `relcome reconcyl_ 20:52:28 ​reconcyl_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 22:01:49 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:02:16 -!- LKoen has joined. 22:06:27 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:11:20 -!- Remavas has joined. 22:12:29 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 22:13:53 Christmas shopping season is coming. Let's target people with small children who'll buy anything for their children, whether they need it or not. I think this year we should sell baby scales and baby body thermometers with labels like "certified for the updated SI units of measure of 2019". 22:15:53 What are the updated SI units of measure of 2019? 22:16:15 Oh, and they're both battery-powered, so on the battery slot, put a big warning that you must use batteries with voltage certified for the updated SI units too. 22:17:47 zzo38: most of them. the kilogram, the ampere, the mole, the kelvin, and the candela. but none of that actually matters for a baby thermometer or scale or battery obviously. 22:17:56 -!- LKoen has joined. 22:18:08 The meter and the second also get new definitions but the change there is only cosmetic to clean up the wording. 22:18:36 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 22:20:44 What is the old definition and what is it being changed to? 22:20:59 zzo38: I really don't understand the details. 22:21:11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_redefinition_of_SI_base_units has some info, but still 22:22:02 the point is, obviously, that the values try not to change, but the people in charge are more sure that they'll be able to consistently reproduce the standard at high precision with the new definitions 22:22:07 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:22:18 It is good at least that kilogram is change; the old way doesn't makes sense. 22:22:48 And, yes, I do expect the values will not change significantly (if at all), of course. 22:23:07 the change is within the uncertainty of reproducing the old values 22:23:22 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 22:23:33 what I don't understand is how the new definitions work 22:23:42 not really the definitions, but how they're reproducible 22:24:00 as in, what are the different high precision measurements and how they combine 22:30:16 I don't know either, although it looks like good to me, although I do think the old way of kilogram is no sense so is good they correct the definition of kilogram at least to a much better one. 22:31:09 it's ... complicated. I understood some of it, then gave up 22:33:12 -!- moei has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 22:33:20 luckily the extra precision for the kilogram and ampere and mole won't matter for me 22:34:47 I like that they are making a better definition of kilogram, but the rest I don't care as much 22:35:01 yes, but they're all connected, I think 22:35:40 Yes 22:35:54 that's why I don't understand them 22:37:33 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:38:03 I also don't like the word "tonne" (also called "metric ton") and prefer "megagram". (Either way it is defined as 1000 kg) 22:44:10 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:50:38 [[JarJarScript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58105 * OdinSmodin * (+294) A work in progress, JarJarScrIpt. Where all code is Jar Jar Binks' grammer. 22:55:18 [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58106&oldid=58004 * OdinSmodin * (+76) My work in progress language, JarJarScript. 23:04:47 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 23:09:31 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:13:29 -!- reconcyl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:22:54 -!- MDude has quit (Read error: No route to host). 23:27:06 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 23:30:07 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:30:07 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 23:30:08 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 23:30:08 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 23:33:00 -!- MDude has joined. 23:45:32 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:46:04 -!- tromp has joined. 23:54:57 I looked at the document of NNTP, and it look mostly OK although there is some problem. One problem is that it is not Y2K compliant. Another is that some cases seem to be unclear how it is supposed to work. Other than that it look like OK 2018-10-29: 00:00:04 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in). 00:00:05 -!- imode has joined. 00:00:21 -!- danieljabailey has joined. 00:12:24 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:21:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:50:38 -!- Remavas has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:02:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:15:40 -!- imode has joined. 01:33:41 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 01:56:13 I can now type Ørjan's name properly. 02:19:18 `unidecode ⬚ 02:19:19 ​[U+2B1A DOTTED SQUARE] 02:42:31 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 03:04:42 I thought to implement a NNTP server program using SQLite database to store the data, although, it seem problem to me that the protocol is not Y2K compliant, isn't it? 03:08:03 How can we deal with this? 03:43:27 What do currently existing NNTP server programs do today? They still exist, right? 03:46:47 I don't know, unfortunately. Correcting the protocol seems easily enough, but if you want to work with existing clients I do not know what to do about that. 04:04:20 -!- xkapastel has joined. 06:34:13 Can you encode Fermat's Last Theorem into Magic: the Gathering? 06:40:15 -!- reconcyl has joined. 07:36:13 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:31:57 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:32:13 -!- tromp has joined. 09:07:37 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:30:35 -!- reconcyl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:44:28 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 09:52:26 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:54:53 -!- sprocklem has joined. 09:55:20 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:11:22 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:51:46 . ø Ø ( møøny ) 11:03:54 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 11:19:27 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:27:40 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 11:30:27 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:30:36 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 11:30:47 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 11:30:47 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 11:44:36 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:04:17 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:24:46 -!- clog has joined. 12:32:36 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:16:46 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:18:56 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:40:27 -!- sleepnap has joined. 14:00:13 -!- moei has joined. 14:10:30 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:11:51 -!- moony_ has joined. 14:12:25 mooooo 14:13:48 out of curiosity, does Ørjan ping him? 14:13:57 hellø møøny 14:14:06 hi 14:14:15 not in irc, but in logreading i grep for rjan 14:14:21 I'll take that as a yəß 14:14:22 *in the client 14:14:33 oh ok 14:14:45 * moony_ goes back to composing keys 14:14:48 so i was just seeing your earlier comment 14:14:58 @metar ENVA 14:14:59 ENVA 291350Z 13010KT CAVOK 02/M07 Q1029 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 15014KT 14:15:11 winter is coming 14:15:15 yes 14:15:16 luckily 14:15:17 or is here, rather 14:15:25 except without snow so far 14:15:27 * moony_ is in texas, and is finally no longer boiling alive 14:16:55 we rarely have this problem in norway. 14:20:09 `insanetemp 35.6 14:20:10 96.0 14:20:25 that's the highest temperature ever registered in norway 14:20:30 lol 14:21:08 that was in 1970. just 8 days before i was born, incidentally 14:22:41 i like that it's called insanetemp 14:22:56 the city of trondheim (where i am) apparently had 35.0 once, in 1901. 14:23:00 Texas reached 120F in 1994. 14:23:17 `sanetemp 120 14:23:17 48.8 14:23:23 out pathfinder party always refers to foot as "retard" 14:24:05 (he was six retards tall) 14:24:16 myname: retard units. Sounds good to me. 14:24:31 Feet suck anyways. SI > all 14:24:59 technically HackEso may also have f2c and c2f defined, i think someone added those who didn't know about the older ones. 14:25:12 what happened to HackEgo, anyways? 14:25:17 there's also frink, although does that work after the move... 14:25:29 `frink 2 m -> feet 14:25:29 ​/hackenv/lib/frink: error while loading shared libraries: libgcj.so.12: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 14:25:33 nope. 14:25:38 * Taneb is slightly over 6 light-nanoseconds tall 14:25:42 fizzie: :( 14:25:59 Taneb: please invent the perfect unit of measurement 14:26:31 moony_: the cloud-at-cost server hosting it crashed and didn't come up again 14:26:47 oh. RIP. 14:26:56 given that isp's reputation, it survived surprisingly many years before it happened. 14:27:02 Taneb: hmm, same 14:27:26 (a light nanosecond is a smidge under a foot) 14:27:40 Hmm, smidge is a good name for the perfect unit of measurement 14:27:47 what's the definition of a smidg- ok 14:28:26 moony_: HackEso has the same hg repository as HackEgo did (possibly missing some days), but the surrounding linux system doesn't have the same installed programs so some things have broken 14:28:36 rip 14:28:37 moony_: 1 smidge is the distance light travels in a vacuum during a single period of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom 14:28:49 Taneb: so the new SI units 14:28:50 ok 14:28:58 It's about 2 inches 14:29:12 1.28 inches, apparently 14:29:22 3.26cm 14:41:26 -!- moony__ has joined. 14:42:49 -!- moony_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:44:03 oerjan: dumb question of the day: Is MediaWiki markup turing complete 14:44:48 I want to say this has been brought up before 14:44:56 Aw. 14:45:21 oerjan: I think I may have come up with the perfect thought bubble for you, with moony's assistance, of course. 14:45:35 https://web.archive.org/web/20131027001211/http://mentalpolyphonics.com/posts/wikimedia-proves-greenspuns-tenth-law 14:46:39 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:46:46 I can install the libgcj package, but it'll be named libgcj.so.12, so if that frink binary is referring directly to libgcj.so.12, it's not going to work. 14:47:06 `` ldd -v lib/frink | paste 14:47:07 https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.26915 14:47:15 moony: MediaWiki has no way to write an infinite loop (unless you use Lua); this is intentional and blocks the TCness. However, if you add a looping construct, it's TC: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag 14:47:16 . ø Ø ( ØKAY ) 14:47:37 ais523: wow 14:47:39 neat 14:48:18 moony__: as FaerieFly says, although i don't know it enough to say for sure, although isn't there some loop prevention in templates that might ruin it? 14:48:38 oerjan: loop prevention is toggleable last i checked. 14:48:41 ...Chrome wants to translate the repository browser from Welsh to English... 14:48:42 and previously didn't exist 14:49:01 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 14:49:06 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 14:49:07 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 14:49:17 ais523: YOU HAVE BEEN JUDGED. 14:49:24 * moony__ smites 14:49:46 * moony__ hopes ais523 isn't wearing reflective armor 14:50:02 CFJ is me, though, and I wouldn't smite myself 14:50:52 anyway, recursive template substitution isn't enough for TCness simply because it isn't actually recursive, MediaWiki detects recursion and blocks it 14:52:25 if you allow it then you directly have untyped lambda calculus, which is obviously TC 14:52:40 or, actually no 14:52:48 as you don't have closures 14:52:57 template calculus 14:53:01 the "apply A to B" operation only works when A is a litieral 14:53:03 *literal 14:53:37 fizzie: fwncy 14:54:44 hmm, back in 2006 I was more literal about specifically how I was showing something TC 14:55:31 -!- moony__ has changed nick to ynoom. 14:55:36 nowadays I often just say things like "this language embeds Thue" in the hope that everyone reading it who cares will know what I mean 14:55:36 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:55:47 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:57:52 * int-e wants an `xkcdlist because the updates are so unpredictable (where is the Monday comic?!). 14:59:59 oh, I thought I'd misremembered the schedule 15:00:09 presumably if it's late, that means it's taking longer to make than most 15:09:47 ... 15:09:49 `frink 2 m -> feet 15:09:50 ​ \ (.:53): Gtk-[1;33mWARNING[0m **: cannot open display: 15:09:56 That's as far as I got. 15:10:10 Maybe there's some GCJ flag to compile it right that I'm missing. 15:10:52 that looks to me like it's trying to open a GUI 15:11:01 ^ 15:12:07 I think maybe it needs a custom main class to act as a command-line thing. 15:12:17 The one specified in the jar's manifest is frink.gui.SwingInteractivePanel, which does sound pretty GUI-y. 15:12:31 (I was assuming it'd just run headless when given the "-e ..." arg.) 15:15:35 aww 15:15:39 "To run the jar file in text mode (only), use: 15:15:41 java -cp frink.jar frink.parser.Frink" 15:15:44 That looks promising 15:16:59 `frink 2 m -> feet 15:17:01 2500/381 (approx. 6.561679790026247) 15:17:42 what's this, a portmanteau of fringe and brink? 15:18:18 (but it looks more like yet another `units' program) 15:18:28 `units 15:19:13 ynoom: http://paste.debian.net/1049580/ 15:19:36 `` units 2m ft # does this work? 15:19:36 ​* 6.5616798 \ / 0.1524 15:19:42 yay. 15:19:48 int-e: It's https://frinklang.org/ and I think it's pretty dead these days. 15:20:10 `perl6 15:20:10 `` units 2psi hPa 15:20:10 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: perl6: not found 15:20:11 ​* 137.89515 \ / 0.0072518869 15:20:14 awwwwww 15:20:30 fizzie: could you install rakudo-star or something? The default timelimits are too short for me to install it i think. 15:20:32 2527 units, 72 prefixes, 56 nonlinear units \ \ You have: 15:20:51 oh, wow, that took a while. 15:20:58 ah 15:21:02 ..yea time limit is too short 15:21:11 no linux binaries avaliable, have to build from source 15:21:16 because it's interactive, so it's killed by the timeout. 15:21:34 what HackEso is worst at: compiling things 15:21:37 2 minutes, wow 15:21:48 `fetch https://rakudo.perl6.org/downloads/star/rakudo-star-2018.06.tar.gz 15:21:51 2018-10-29 15:21:49 URL:https://rakudo.perl6.org/downloads/star/rakudo-star-2018.06.tar.gz [15825981/15825981] -> "rakudo-star-2018.06.tar.gz" [1] 15:21:53 * ynoom tries anyways 15:22:10 `` tar xfz rakudo-star-2018.06.tar.gz 15:22:20 .... 15:22:22 No output. 15:22:25 Please do that sort of thing in tmp/ 15:22:31 mk 15:22:38 `` ls 15:22:38 bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ rakudo-star-2018.06 \ rakudo-star-2018.06.tar.gz \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom 15:22:52 `` mv rakudo-star-2018.06 tmp/ 15:22:58 mv: cannot move 'rakudo-star-2018.06' to 'tmp/rakudo-star-2018.06': Directory not empty 15:22:58 `` ls tmp 15:22:59 paste \ rakudo-star-2018.06 \ spline \ spout \ spout.raw \ UnicodeData.txt 15:23:02 `revert 15:23:07 * ynoom derps 15:23:08 Done. 15:23:16 I hope that undid the tar xfz 15:23:20 you'd think i'd be good with the terminal now, i've used linux for nearly a year 15:23:39 tmp/ is a little unintuitive at the best of times. 15:23:48 `` ls 15:23:49 bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ rakudo-star-2018.06.tar.gz \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom 15:24:04 * ynoom goes to remember how to use tar 15:24:29 `` ls tmp/rakudo-star-2018.06 15:24:30 build_msi.bat \ Configure.pl \ docs \ LICENSE \ MANIFEST \ MoarVM \ modules \ nqp \ patches \ ports \ rakudo \ README \ tools 15:24:34 It's uncompressed in there now. 15:24:37 oh ok 15:24:38 `url quotes 15:24:39 https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/quotes 15:24:41 ynoom: x to extract / c to create, f to use a file as the tarball (rather than a tape drive) 15:24:44 (From your mv.) 15:24:59 you can add a letter to specify what sort of compression's in use but when extracting, it's typically autodetected anyway 15:25:09 and you can add v to show the progress by printing out filenames 15:25:13 `` cd tmp/rakudo-star-2018.06; perl Configure.pl --gen-moar --make-install --prefix ~/bin/rakudo 15:25:15 ERROR \ \ Can't compile simple C program. \ Failing command: gcc -o try.o -c try.c 2>&1 \ Error: No such file or directory \ \ Cannot continue after this error. \ On linux, maybe you need something like 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'. \ On macOS, maybe you need to install XCode and accept the XCode EULA. \ Command failed (status 512): /usr/bin/perl Configure.pl --optimize --prefix=/tmp/bin/rakudo --make-install \ \ Configuring and b 15:25:17 that's about it in terms of common uses of tar 15:25:24 ow 15:25:40 so normally it'd be "tar xf tarball.tgz" or "tar czf tarball.tgz file1.c file2.c" 15:25:50 `` gcc 15:25:50 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: gcc: command not found 15:25:54 aaAAAAA 15:25:57 fizzie: if you want to prune the repo, you still have a chance. 15:26:05 `` clang 15:26:06 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: clang: command not found 15:26:10 `culprits bin/frink 15:26:12 nitïa 15:26:19 `gcc 15:26:20 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gcc: not found 15:26:22 * ynoom pokes fizzie 15:26:23 `culprits lib/frink 15:26:24 ompil r anuall nitïa 15:28:03 int-e: Yeah, I sort of expected that to break. 15:28:30 it's okay, nitia has been pretty lonely :) 15:28:38 now they have three new friends 15:29:42 int-e: I updated the checked-out copy to the revision before the fetch, which I *think* will make it forget those commits after that. 15:29:43 Whoops, I'll need to run to a meeting now. 15:29:51 Don't break everything while I'm gone. 15:30:07 * ynoom 0's out everything's permissions 15:30:42 we've been there, it was a mess 15:30:53 as I believe you already know 15:31:03 :p 15:34:57 -!- imode has joined. 15:35:54 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:36:32 -!- tromp has joined. 15:37:56 -!- moony_ has joined. 15:38:35 `gcc 15:38:36 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gcc: not found 15:39:29 -!- ynoom has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:42:18 -!- oren has joined. 15:42:26 https://i.redd.it/x9triplll1v11.jpg 15:42:31 sub stalinSort {my$x=$_[0];map$x>$_?():($x=$_),@_} 15:42:53 -!- moony_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:43:57 oren: I think that's more commonly called dropsort 15:44:16 I implemented it in 5 bytes in two different languages recently: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/61808/lossy-sorting-implement-dropsort/170910#170910 15:48:41 > foldr (\x -> (x:) . filter (x <=)) [] [1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4] 15:48:42 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:48:44 [1,1,2,2,3,3,4] 15:48:55 -!- tromp has joined. 15:49:56 > nubBy (>) [1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4] 15:49:58 [1,1,2,2,3,3,4] 15:59:07 -!- moony_ has joined. 16:28:52 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:29:28 -!- tromp has joined. 16:32:18 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:32:33 -!- tromp has joined. 16:33:19 -!- moony_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:43:31 -!- moony_ has joined. 16:57:01 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 17:01:39 -!- moony_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:09:21 -!- paul2520 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2). 17:10:18 -!- paul2520 has joined. 17:10:40 -!- paul2520 has quit (Client Quit). 17:11:52 -!- paul2520 has joined. 17:11:52 -!- paul2520 has quit (Changing host). 17:11:52 -!- paul2520 has joined. 17:17:19 TIL that ghc does fixity resolution after splicing template haskell expressions... how do I unsee that mess :) <-- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 17:19:46 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 17:28:07 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:37:09 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:37:46 -!- tromp has joined. 17:38:46 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:39:00 -!- tromp has joined. 18:09:57 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:27:05 -!- imode has joined. 18:50:52 -!- ineiros has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:57:07 -!- moony_ has joined. 18:57:18 `gcc 18:57:19 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gcc: not found 18:57:22 * moony_ prods fizzie 18:57:24 no C compiler 18:57:34 `cc 18:57:35 ​/hackenv/bin/cc: 2: /hackenv/bin/cc: gcc: not found 18:57:52 -!- ineiros has joined. 18:59:21 * moony_ doesn't recognize ineiros 18:59:27 `relcome ineiros 18:59:28 ​ineiros: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 18:59:31 just in case :P 19:02:21 They've been lurking here for ages. 19:02:29 But of course there's no wrong use of relcome. 19:04:56 `` gcc --version 19:04:57 gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516 \ Copyright (C) 2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 19:05:43 `` ls tmp 19:05:43 paste \ rakudo-star-2018.06 \ spline \ spout \ spout.raw \ UnicodeData.txt 19:06:04 `` cd tmp/rakudo-star-2018.06; perl Configure.pl --gen-moar --make-install --prefix ~/bin/rakudo 19:06:21 will it time out? No-body knows until up to 2 minutes from now 19:06:34 No output. 19:06:47 `` ls bin/rakudo 19:06:48 ls: cannot access 'bin/rakudo': No such file or directory 19:06:53 ..mm? 19:07:09 `` ls 19:07:09 bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom 19:07:14 `` ls tmp 19:07:15 paste \ rakudo-star-2018.06 \ spline \ spout \ spout.raw \ UnicodeData.txt 19:07:21 `` echo ~ 19:07:22 ​/tmp 19:07:32 :p 19:07:40 `` cd tmp/rakudo-star-2018.06; perl Configure.pl --gen-moar --make-install --prefix /bin/rakudo 19:08:01 `? gcc 19:08:06 gcc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:08:10 No output. 19:08:11 `? C 19:08:12 C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault 19:08:20 `` ls /bin/rakudo 19:08:21 ls: cannot access '/bin/rakudo': No such file or directory 19:08:28 `` ls tmp 19:08:29 paste \ rakudo-star-2018.06 \ spline \ spout \ spout.raw \ UnicodeData.txt 19:08:33 * moony_ is confused 19:08:40 * moony_ sighs 19:08:46 * moony_ moves to PM 19:09:43 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:10:09 ``` sqlite3 -version 19:10:10 bash: sqlite3: command not found 19:10:26 You should add the latest version of SQLite into HackEso, I think. 19:10:50 (It should be easy to install, since it is only one file.) 19:11:51 (You should also put gcc, which seem to be missing, but probably should be on) 19:11:59 zzo38: gcc was added 19:12:01 `gcc 19:12:02 ​[01m[Kgcc:[m[K [01;31m[Kfatal error: [m[Kno input files \ compilation terminated. 19:12:46 `perl6 19:12:47 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: perl6: not found 19:12:49 * moony_ sighs 19:13:03 What a difference an underscore makes. 19:14:34 OK, it work, good 19:15:50 moony_: If the Debian package rakudo (2016.12-1) is good enough for your purposes, I could install that from apt. This is Debian stable, though, so it's a little old. 19:16:03 `` sqlite3 --version 19:16:05 3.16.2 2017-01-06 16:32:41 a65a62893ca8319e89e48b8a38cf8a59c69a8209 19:16:18 That is a old version of SQLite. 19:16:31 fizzie: i don't think perl 6 can be installed the way i'm trying to do. Either that or i'm fucking it up horribly. You mind doing it? https://perl6.org/downloads/. Also, latest perl6 is generally best 19:16:33 The latest version is 3.25.2 19:17:00 (Seriously, old perl 6 is slow haha) 19:19:42 https://nxadm.github.io/rakudo-pkg/ is also an option, it provides more up to date prebuilt binaries 19:21:40 I can give building it a go, but if it doesn't go cleanly, I'm not going to spend time poking at it. 19:22:03 mk 19:22:19 rakudo-pkg shuld be up to date tho 19:22:35 so it'll work, i just forgot about it. (Can't do it myself tho, it has to be added to your package repo list) 19:36:37 fizzie: did it work, or am i being impatient 19:38:10 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 19:38:20 ``` /bin/cat bin/insanetemp 19:38:23 ​#!/bin/bash \ print_args_or_input "$@" | dc -e "1k0 1?*9*5/32+p" 19:38:23 ``` /bin/cat bin/ctof 19:38:26 ​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $c=0+$ARGV[0]; printf"%.2f°C = %.2f°F",$c,$c*9/5+32; 19:38:26 ``` /bin/cat bin/ftoc 19:38:28 ​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $f=0+$ARGV[0]; printf"%.2f°F = %.2f°C",$f,($f-32)*5/9; 19:38:38 Runs out of memory while building. 19:38:38 Won't have time for more right now, at work. 19:38:57 oerjan: I added ftoc and ctof 19:39:04 `ctof 20 19:39:05 20.00°C = 68.00°F 19:39:10 `ftoc 20 50 19:39:10 20.00°F = -6.67°C 19:39:14 `ftoc 50 19:39:15 50.00°F = 10.00°C 19:41:27 -!- moony_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:42:12 int-e: xkcd still posts every monday, wednesday, and friday, it just usually posts very late in those days, whereas years ago it used to post early 19:42:23 also, the comics got mostly pretty boring, so who cares 19:45:08 -!- moony_ has joined. 19:46:43 "ynoom: x to extract / c to create, f to use a file as the tarball" (and two more lines of tar help) => I'd add that if you're running tar as root, then (--no-same-permissions --no-same-owner) stops tar from trying to restore owner and mode; and that (--no-recursion --null -T "$listfile") lets you explicitly give a list of files to compress, nul-te 19:46:43 rminated. 19:46:57 I've used options other than those, but the rest are pretty crazy 19:48:07 also t instead of x to print filenames, tv to print filenames and attributes in ls format 19:48:43 I tried to install 7za onto HackEgo once, but failed 19:48:58 I'll compile a copy of perl6 for HackEso directly myself then 19:49:01 I wanted it for fetching an archive and decompressing it 19:49:23 oh, and I used the -C option often 19:49:25 I used the options x c t --ignore-failed-read --numeric-owner -S (the last three only for making backups, though) 19:49:50 hm 19:49:53 `fetch https://github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/releases/download/v2018.10/rakudo-pkg-Debian9_2018.10-01_amd64.deb 19:49:57 2018-10-29 19:49:56 URL:https://github-production-release-asset-2e65be.s3.amazonaws.com/66966577/4a6af880-db93-11e8-8126-0d480a815d0c?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIWNJYAX4CSVEH53A%2F20181029%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20181029T194954Z&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=f654365ac26c786cb4b276e3f5ecc201f59fbbac96b64868bb2c302578cb4b0d&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&actor_id=0&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B%20file 19:50:03 to cd before reading files to add or writing extracted files, but after opening the archive given for the -f argument 19:50:06 fizzie: That should work, actually. Try installing that. 19:52:52 zzo38: I see 19:57:04 zzo38: do you compress the tarball then? 19:57:19 Yes, I did then compress it, and store the compressed file on a DVD. 19:58:19 (That is, for the backups) 19:58:45 And actually for the backups I used three DVDs, one for /var, one for /home, and one for everything else. 20:06:02 What do you suggest for setting up my own NNTP server for Unusenet? 20:06:20 I've no idea, I never used usenet. 20:06:38 Like, here I am on IRC, but usenet is alien past technology to me. 20:06:58 wob_jonas: google has a public usenet interface built into google+ 20:07:23 moony_: the same google+ that they're discontinuing about now? 20:07:29 any usenet url, for example rec.games 20:07:31 err 20:07:33 not google+ 20:07:35 google groups 20:07:47 yeah, that makes more sense 20:08:30 esoteric stuff might hide out somewhere in comp.* 20:08:52 moony_: and there are other web mirrors, and some two-way mailing list gateways too I think 20:09:21 I've used those, I guess, just not usenet directly 20:10:24 NNTP also is not Y2K compliant. Correcting the protocol is easy enough to do, although I don't know if it needs to deal with non-Y2K-compliant clients somehow. Maybe, if the server is only Unusenet and not Usenet, since Unusenet was invented after AD 2000, and it is still early in the century, it may be unimportant to do that. 20:13:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:13:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 20:13:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:13:34 It could treat two digit years as being after NNTP was invented, so that existing clients would work, I guess. Maybe some clients might improperly specify "118" for the year, but it is easily enough to deal with that too 20:14:38 what if people have copied archives of pre-usenet messages to usenet with the original date? 20:15:27 The "Date" MIME header is Y2K compliant, although date ranges in the NNTP protocol aren't. 20:15:38 So, I think it isn't relevant. 20:15:45 ah 20:19:45 Is there NNTP server software that uses a SQLite database? Should I write such a software? 20:23:16 Will you set up a NNTP server at esolangs.org? 20:30:02 I don't know. I have a feeling the audience might be a little limited. The web forum never got any traffic to speak of, and the mailing list died too. 20:30:22 I used to run Leafnode at home. I think I might also have experimented with INN, though of course not connected to Usenet. 20:31:34 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:31:53 What did you do with INN? 20:32:38 I always get confused between the acronyms ICYMI and IASIP 20:33:41 zzo38: If I remember right, I hosted a set of groups for a group of friends. I don't remember what they were *about*, though. 20:33:51 I think it might've been for a fake standardization organization? 20:34:31 zzo38: just to make sure, in M:tG you haven't downloaded the oracle database from the New Gatherer or Scryfall or anywhere else yet, right? 20:35:11 wob_jonas: That is correct, although I might do some time, maybe. 20:35:18 (I have downloaded all of the rules though) 20:35:19 yeah, me too 20:35:52 Yeah, I think we called it IOCTA, but I don't remember what it stood for. Grepping through old logs finds just one line (from 2003) where I mention that I don't remember what it stands for. 20:36:51 fizzie: Unusenet is a way to define standardized hierarchies and enables mirroring of non-Usenet newsgroups. 20:37:21 Well, the IOCTA newsgroups (if that's what I used INN for) are long defunct, unfortunately. 20:38:00 They were probably compliant with neither Usenet nor Unusenet anyways, I think? 20:38:07 -!- moony_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:38:24 Yes, very likely. 20:39:12 I think I'll have to try to download their data even if I don't process them, just so I have an archive of the current state for reference. 20:39:25 Yes, that may be good 20:39:34 My former university had a relatively lively non-Usenet (and non-Unusenet) newsgroup hierarchy, but I think those have been turned down. 20:48:52 zzo38: argh! New Gatherer is terrible. they still can't make their software handle flip/split/transform/meld cards properly. Even if I download just the whole list of c. 190 pages with 100 cards per pages in the standard format, then it probably won't tell which cards transform to what, it only shows faces. 20:49:17 The individual card pages do tell, but I don't want to download all 19000 of those. 20:50:02 So that data will have to be reconstructed after the fact, hoping that it will be very rare that the name or transform pairing of a card changes. 20:50:28 There's a lot of heuristics you can use to check, but still. 20:51:05 I'll try download anyway, but I'll have to check scryfall later too. 20:51:30 -!- imode has joined. 21:02:38 If they do somehow change the name, the multiverse ID number still should be same, hopefully 21:03:19 (Although there will be a multiverse ID number for each printing of the card) 21:04:14 zzo38: no, the multiverse ID number seems to be adjacent 21:04:21 oh, you mean if they change the name of the card? 21:04:33 dunno, I wouldn't rely on that, since they can scrub that by simply making a New New Oracle 21:04:44 the card names are more stable than their fucking websites 21:04:50 they only changed names like three times 21:04:57 and their oracle list twice 21:05:52 Yes, if they change the name, the multiverse ID number probably won't change I expect. If they do change it, it might no longer be called "multiverse ID", since I think it was based on software previously called Multiverse but they changed it, so if they change the ID numbers they will change that too I guess (but of course I do not actually know) 21:06:28 the name changes were, let's see, all cards with Æ recently, Ærathi Berserker before written history, and I can't think of any other but there might be one 21:06:56 there were probably changes for how they displayed flip/split cards, and the visible name in the Oracle may have changed at that point 21:08:00 (Changing the ID numbers would also break many links on other webpages) 21:08:24 um so? it's not like Wizards cares about that 21:08:38 they took off an entire fucking discussion forum that was full of useful M:tG stuff 21:10:29 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 21:10:53 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 21:11:41 Yes, but I still expect if they do change it, the old links will link to an error message rather than the wrong card. 21:12:09 sure 21:14:08 hmm... I'll have to check the last page before and after the download to make sure that they haven't added any new cards during my download 21:15:08 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 21:17:27 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 21:17:30 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 21:20:17 experimenting with hypothetical reified "memory addresses", in the form of "memory" objects that you can write to, access the value at and "add" "offsets" in the form of other objects to 21:21:24 e.g. "v" is a unique "memory", "v ← expr" assigns the value of the expression to "v", and "$v" reads the value at that memory 21:28:01 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 21:28:29 zzo38: I'm starting a download of those c. 190 pages of New Gatherer now. I won't do Scryfall today. 21:28:36 -!- moei has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 21:30:29 I'll try to do some basic parsing, just to reduce the data, but I won't do any complicated processing like identifying errors or messing with split/flip/transform/meld cards 21:37:47 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:46:00 -!- MDude has joined. 21:54:56 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 21:55:15 -!- moony has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 21:55:42 -!- moony has joined. 22:09:13 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:26:26 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:33:58 -!- sleepnap has left. 22:37:47 fizzie, did you try the dpkg? (Sorry for consistently bothering you) 23:07:53 `olist 1145 23:07:54 olist 1145: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 23:16:31 tyoony 23:28:46 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 23:29:57 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:31:07 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:31:14 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 23:31:47 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 23:31:47 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 23:33:11 Sgeo, ty for what? 23:33:12 `perl6 23:33:12 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: perl6: not found 23:33:12 `perl6 --version 23:33:13 ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: perl6: not found 23:33:45 moony, I apparently misread shachaf's line as coming from you 23:33:48 tyachaf 23:33:53 lol 23:54:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:55:33 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 23:56:02 zzo38: oh great. so the New Gatherer html output starts with ' why did I even believe them? 23:58:15 good thing I know how to use an HTML parser, I've done it several times 2018-10-30: 00:30:34 so who is plaing 7 Billion Humans? 00:30:50 -!- imode has joined. 00:34:59 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:36:12 oh, now the logs switch date one hour earlier in my timezone 00:36:32 (i thought i'd only have one page to check) 00:37:19 -!- quintopi1 has quit (Quit: leaving). 00:37:40 -!- Essadon has quit (Quit: Qutting). 00:40:26 -!- quintopia has joined. 00:41:07 yay i can talk again 00:48:15 fiendish 01:13:11 -!- erkin has joined. 01:35:44 `lastfiles 01:35:45 lib/frink 01:36:05 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 01:36:28 quintopia, haven't got it 01:36:34 i want to get Marble It Up! first anyways 01:36:58 because HOLY FUCK ITS A SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR TO ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE GAMES AAAAA 01:37:09 also 01:37:12 i golf x86-64 for fun 01:37:26 i'm half worried 7 billion humans might be a tad easy 🤔 01:38:48 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 01:39:49 zzo38: https://arin.ga/QXWqQD/raw has the names and type lines and editions (with multiverse id) from all cards in New Gatherer. I'll parse the mana costs and rules texts and everything else there is (and add some explanatory notes at the beginning) later. 01:39:56 zzo38: M:tG 01:41:33 OK, thanks 01:42:42 note though that while this has Un-cards, it does not have Schemes or Planes (and maybe a few other card types too), because Gatherer by default doesn't search for those. TODO for self: download those too 01:43:48 I downloaded it. It is possible to tell Gatherer to search for schemes, planes, phenomena, conspiracies, vanguards, too. 01:44:00 the Planes and Schemes and Phenomenons actually in New Gatherer, it's just set to not search them by default 01:44:03 and I'm so stupid 01:44:14 there's actually a checkbox at the bottom to "Include special items (e.g. Planes, Schemes)" 01:45:51 I'll try to redo the download that way 01:46:23 When you make the file including the full texts then you should include the special items (command-only cards) too. 01:50:04 zzo38: definitely. I've started the download. it's c. 190 pages of 100 cards now. 01:50:19 OK 01:50:56 I'll parse everything that's easily visible from the HTML, but I won't do extra miles now to try to figure out the things that aren't in there, most importantly the flip/split/transform/meld pairings 01:51:41 at least not yet 01:51:44 I might try that later 01:52:38 but for now I just want to have a snapshot by downloading only the 190 list pages, rather than the 19000 individual card pages (or even worse, the much more card edition pages), in a way that's repeatable every three months 01:53:34 And then I can try to convert the text file into a SQLite database too 01:53:59 so I won't have eg. collector numbers or printed texts for each edition 01:54:05 and I won't download any images 01:54:21 Yes, that is OK 01:54:31 at some point later I might try to do the more complicated stuff of trying to figure out all the pairings too 01:54:37 -!- sprocklem has quit (Quit: brb). 01:54:41 but I might just not do that and believe what Scryfall says 01:54:52 they seem to have done a good work, but an independent confirmation would be nice 01:55:16 I want to download Scryfall's database anyway, the text part that is, not all the high-res images 01:55:41 but don't hold your breath, if you want to download it, you'll probably be able to do it first 01:56:54 Yes, maybe, I might make a program to download the JSON data, with the delays that Scryfall specifies 01:57:06 hehe, they have separate list entries for each of the Unstable cards with different cards under the same English name, to be able to display the different rules text 01:57:21 seriously, they fix that, but not the transform cards? 01:57:45 Did you tell them to fix the transform cards? 01:58:05 I think I told them to fix the *flip* cards at some point 01:58:47 but the Gatherer support isn't easy to reach. feel free to try, at least if you investigate how exactly those things are broken: 01:58:59 After that, we can try to also convert the card texts into AST with RDF. It may be possible to partially automate but some things will have to be entered manually. 01:59:32 (For example, to change "Counter target spell" into [:counter [:target :spell]] and so on) 01:59:47 note that at some point flip cards showed up in at least two different ways depending on the card, and at some point, a transform card whose front face has no mana cost (because it's a land) showed up wrong 01:59:57 -!- nfd9001 has joined. 02:00:04 oh, this list has the Vanguards too 02:00:12 -!- nfd has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:02:35 yeah, flip cards still seem to show up in two different ways: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[flip]&block=+[%22Kamigawa%20Block%22] 02:03:23 hmm, or maybe not 02:04:57 [:counter [:target :spell]] 02:05:00 is that lisp or something 02:05:51 zzo38: do you happen to know if all non-meld transform cards have "transform" or "transformed" on their front face? 02:06:15 I do not know the answer of that question. 02:06:30 ok, I'll probably have to double-check that from scryfall then 02:06:30 moony: No, the syntax is RDF. 02:07:11 if I had a rule to find all transform cards with some false positives, then I could download the individual card pages for those transform cards from New Gatherer, and find transform pairs that way 02:07:30 obviously I have to do the same with meld cards too, but there's only like three pairs of those 02:07:30 Yes, that could work, I suppose 02:07:43 and I'm quite sure the meld cards have rules text that I can find 02:09:13 moony: It is effectively _:1 when you also have _:1 :counter _:2. _:2 :target :spell. except that _:1 and _:2 are now anonymous. 02:09:31 ???? 02:09:51 * moony goes back to FORTH 02:10:51 ...Has someone implemented brainfuck in Dwarf Fortress yet? 02:11:03 the game's already known to be TC, so where's my Brainfuck Fortress 02:11:25 I don't know. If someone else didn't, do you know how? 02:11:52 I know how, but it'll take far too long for my attention span haha 02:12:05 it involves minecarts, water, and a lot of things that don't make any sense 02:12:25 oh, and a few hundred run-over dwarves 02:12:43 *The minecart hits the head, and the severed part flies off in an arc!* 02:13:01 how can I tell what expiration time an arin.ga paste has? I'm not sure what I set for that text file above 02:14:11 I think it is unlimited if no expiration time is set 02:14:14 moony: why are dwarves with severed heads a problem? aren't dwarves supposed to be somewhat expendable? 02:14:39 zzo38: yeah, but I tried to enter a title in the expiration time field because I'm used to title fields in other pastebins 02:14:41 wob_jonas, Well recently toady fixed the emotion system, AND dwarves now remember and dwell on past events 02:14:47 and I've no idea how it parsed that 02:14:49 so lots of death == lol ur fort go insane 02:14:59 (As it used to be) 02:15:02 moony: hmm 02:15:17 wob_jonas: O, then I don't know. Do you know who made up arin.ga maybe you can ask them? 02:15:21 moony: can't you make the dwarves not _see_ those beheadings? 02:15:31 also dwarves still have the insane squimishness bug, so if they even see the *tooth* of a dead dwarf, they'll get very upset 02:15:32 meh, it's not worth that much 02:15:37 I have something to say too, which is that in addition to User-Agent it should also pay attention to Accept 02:15:56 I can just paste it again, or ignore that and paste the parsed file from the new download (with Planes etc) in the morning 02:16:33 wob_jonas, you could also convince Bowserinator or me to host a pastebin on hellomouse.net with no timeout 02:16:34 * moony runs 02:16:53 -!- sprocklem has joined. 02:17:10 I think you should just paste the new file once it is available instead 02:17:27 moony: we have `fetch for that 02:19:12 scryfall seems to say that all transform cards have "transform" or "transformed" on some face. that's enough for me for now. 02:19:30 obviously Wizards can print different transform cards in the future, but they can also do other strange things 02:19:56 like starting to print transform cards was a strange thing in first place 02:20:09 izabera: Did you read what I and wob_jonas asked about the arin.ga? 02:21:24 also, scryfall says there are about 104 transform cards (I don't know how that counts the 3 meld cards and I don't care now), that means that's not too much extra data to download 02:23:19 I mean, I have to download like 50 kilobytes of junk for each of those 104 cards just to find out what they pair with, and I might still not know which face is the front face because New Gatherer itself didn't seem to know in the past (but hopefully they fixed that after Ixalan) 02:23:34 but that's not too much to do every three months 02:23:58 (and even that's an overkill, it's not like they'll suddenly rearrange transform pairs at every Oracle update) 02:24:29 * moony has paper copy of MC88100 manual 02:24:43 * moony just wants to find hardware that uses it that wont cost him $1k 02:25:07 Yes, not every new set will contain transform cards 02:25:33 zzo38: I don't have to download the pairings after every set just to archive the state 02:25:56 in fact it may be better to wait until they fix bugs in New Gatherer :-) 02:26:26 anyway, good night 02:26:44 I'll try to paste the same name+type+editions file with the 5% more cards in the morning 02:26:56 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 02:39:23 I suppose another way other than RDF could also be Lisp 02:49:16 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:50:01 -!- sprocklem has joined. 02:53:30 -!- sprocklem has quit (Client Quit). 02:59:05 -!- sprocklem has joined. 03:12:58 zzo38: it's unlimited by default 03:13:42 zzo38: if you ask nicely i can change it for you :) 03:43:31 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:05:33 izabera: I am not asking you to change the time limit. I asked about how it would parse what wob_jonas entered, and also if you can fix it to use the Accept header in addition to User-Agent header. 04:14:46 zzo38: https://arin.ga/QXWqQD this one? 04:16:26 the expire date is set to "Oracle database downloaded from New Gatherer, card names, type lines, editions with multiverse ids -" 04:16:52 Yes, and what would it do with that? 04:18:26 Since, it isn't a date. 04:23:28 that's fed to php's strtotime function 04:23:52 which returns false 04:24:17 and then false is compared with the mtime of that file on my machine 04:24:26 which returns false 04:24:35 https://ptpb.pw/QltY/text so I made a term rewriting language. and an interpreter to go with that language. 04:24:36 so it's never too old and it's never deleted 04:25:03 doesn't have builtins or numbers yet. but it weighs about 236 lines of python. 04:26:18 a lot of extra parens can be removed from that file as well. provided you know what you're doing. 04:26:27 izabera: Ah, OK. Now it is known what format it expects. 04:27:43 basically any date-like string will do 04:28:27 Maybe it should be documented that it is the format by strtotime function, so that it is possible to know what it is. 04:30:46 now you know :) 04:31:00 no need for further docs 04:31:13 :P 04:32:01 OK 04:32:30 can you elaborate on what you said about the Accept header? 04:35:09 If the Accept header prefers text/plain or text/html then use that one. There are going to be programs it does not recognize, so it can use that to decide what to do if the URL does not specify otherwise. (It can also use this if the User-Agent header is omitted. Note, however, that Internet Explorer does not mention text/html in the Accept header, strangely.) 04:36:02 sounds good, will do 04:40:10 Do you know if there is a trope for when a episode of a television show is made as a non-canon episode, even though it is still one of the episodes and the other episodes is the canon continuity? 06:05:39 [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58107&oldid=58106 * Oerjan * (+0) dfnor 06:06:08 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 06:18:34 -!- copumpkin[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:20:16 -!- copumpkin[m] has joined. 06:51:04 -!- j-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:40:05 -!- user24 has joined. 07:45:28 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 07:47:04 -!- user24 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:07:06 -!- fizzie has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 08:07:17 -!- fizzie has joined. 08:12:49 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 08:13:05 zzo38: https://arin.ga/BAkYrZ/raw 08:13:41 hmm wait 08:14:26 sorry, that's the old file 08:16:56 zzo38: https://arin.ga/Rhl5mx/raw M:tG stuff 08:17:12 same thing as before, names and typelines and editions, but with schemes and planes etc now 08:18:40 wob_jonas: pastes with invalid dates never expire 08:20:01 Also, the new file is using LF instead of CRLF. 08:20:18 izabera: ok, but the original question was, from outside the server (such as through a https connection), how do I query the expiry date? 08:20:31 zzo38: yes, it should use LF, the previous one shouldn't have used CRFL 08:20:38 but then both are just rough drafts 08:20:50 I'll have to parse the rest of the database anyway 08:21:22 There is a standard HTTP header for expires, but when I tried it I didn't get that header, which in this case is correct anyways since it doesn't expire. 08:22:12 wob_jonas: But izabera said it uses the PHP strtotime function; if you know how that function works (I don't) then you would be able to figure it out. (You can also test it if you have PHP on your computer, I suppose) 08:24:46 zzo38: sure, but how do I query what someone else set as the expiry date? 08:25:05 let me change one thing real quick... 08:25:28 wob_jonas: As far as I know you can't, but you could try what I suggested; I don't know if it sets the Expires header at all, since I haven't tried. 08:26:15 Have you tried playing Magic: the Gathering with a Marseillais rule? I don't know how well it work, because I have not tried. 08:31:15 -!- GeekDude has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:32:55 -!- GeekDude has joined. 08:35:59 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 08:38:43 -!- dingbat has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:48:38 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:48:45 [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58108&oldid=54681 * Salpynx * (+0) /* Virtual machine description */ correct 2 of the instructions allowed in first source code position, one in pos 2 , BA is invalid, DC is valid 09:31:36 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:42:53 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:30:44 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:34:13 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 11:34:17 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 11:34:17 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 11:34:17 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 11:35:47 zzo38: I don't know what the Marseillais rule is (in context of M:tG) 11:40:07 I don't know what it is anywhere 11:40:32 (I've been playing more magic the past few weeks, because Arena lets me do it without spending money) 11:51:16 wob_jonas: I'd guess that zzo38 wants to transplant the idea behind the Marseillais chess variant (players make two moves in a row, with some restrictions) to M:tG. 11:53:02 -!- xkapastel has joined. 11:56:10 int-e: ah. right, that's one of those crazy chess variants where the first player wins trivially or something. 11:56:19 so you'd need very crazy amounts of restrictions 11:56:33 and it's probably the same in M:tG too 11:57:24 wob_jonas: https://www.chessbazaar.com/blog/tag/chess-rules-for-marseillais-chess/ ... there is a balanced version where white only makes 1 move initially. 11:57:46 int-e: even if white makes only 1 move initially, it needs a lot to be balanced 11:58:09 still crazy, but if GMs like it it can't be too trivial. 11:58:34 I see 11:58:39 Now doing the same thing in M:tG with all its fast decks... doesn't seem like a good idea. 12:02:49 zzo38, int-e: the most crazy derivative of M:tG I played were the variant rule rounds in www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?500660 12:05:43 the basic rules for that game are in the first post, but every fifth "round" (not M:tG turns, but M:tG tournaments where every player submits a deck and then plays games with that deck) use some variant rule over that, different variant rule each time 12:14:39 zzo38: I'd like to note that some promotional M:tG un-cards printed by Wizards like https://scryfall.com/card/hho/6/fruitcake-elemental and https://scryfall.com/card/hho/7/gifts-given don't appear in New Gatherer, and as far as I know, they never appeared in Gatherer or New Gatherer. 12:37:22 incidentally, in the HTML that New Gatherer outputs as the list, the img tags in the same role for different cards differ in what order their HTML attrs are mentioned in the HTML. 12:37:49 not that that matters, because attribute order isn't supposed to change anything in HTML, but still, it shows that there's some crazy stuff going on behind in whatever's generating that 12:38:23 probably lots of dynamic processing, most of which could be avoided by caching 12:38:30 no wonder it's so slow 12:38:34 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:52:08 -!- Essadon has joined. 12:52:25 -!- Essadon has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 12:54:25 -!- Essadon has joined. 13:04:33 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 13:17:59 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 13:42:30 -!- sleepnap has joined. 13:44:57 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Demsp * New user account 14:22:25 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 14:31:22 In one of these pairs of preconstructed M:tG decks that are designed to play against each other, like the Duel Decks series and these fancy extra-small precon decks they make these days, they should put Trap Runner in one deck and a large green trampler like Rampanging Hippo or Stampeding Rhino in the other. The flavor would be great. 14:53:46 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:07:27 -!- moei has joined. 15:15:52 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:44:23 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 15:45:47 Why the heck does this windows program have a pulldown menu that looks almost like it's a normal Windows pulldown menu (at least the later version that can have icons in it), but for some reason drag-dropping the mouse from the pulldown heading to the menu entry does not invoke the command? 15:46:13 It can't just be linking to an old version of some library, because that drag-drop behavior has been there very long ago, much longer than icons in menus. 15:47:12 Like, the drag-drop has been working since before 32-bit windows. 15:53:48 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:57:45 -!- moony_ has joined. 15:57:50 moo 16:01:04 knee 16:04:53 -!- moony_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:06:22 I think it doesn't help against trampling creatures? 16:08:12 -!- erkin has joined. 16:09:14 zzo38: exactly, the trampler just runs through the tree 16:09:29 but not all creatures in the deck with the trampler would be tramplers, only a few 16:10:36 O, then it is OK. 16:10:37 obviously the deck with Trap Runner may still be able to deal with the trampler in other ways 16:10:54 Yes, then it is OK and is not a problem to do that 16:12:03 you'd have to balance the decks, but I didn't really have full decks in mind, and in fact I consider Trap Runner generally a bad card (in strength, even if it aces the flavor), so I can't imagine a deck with Trap Runner (I have built decks with big green tramplers) 16:12:36 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 16:14:50 -!- imode has joined. 17:02:47 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58109&oldid=58104 * Demsp * (+175) /* Introductions */ 17:04:15 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58110&oldid=58109 * Demsp * (+0) /* Introductions */ 17:04:48 [[Lmcode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58111 * Demsp * (+4019) Created page with "'''LMCode''' esoteric programming language. 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