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16:38:40 oerjan: the hon. and learned friend the member for new forest east, gedling, and of many others, to be a shortfall of the ad-hoc way 16:43:37 wow, a giant eyeball. http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/ 16:43:39 um 16:43:45 `bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/ 16:43:46 bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/: b_jonas 16:43:48 no wait 16:43:49 darn 16:43:59 `bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20181215.html 16:44:00 bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20181215.html: b_jonas 16:44:11 oerjan: it's "my hon. and learned friend" 16:44:31 ah yes, my hon. and learned friend fungot has just showed you that 16:44:31 b_jonas: hon. and hon. and right hon. friends the member for birmingham, yardley, i do, i have a very high number, albeit the most support. labour wishes these opportunities, the countries that we have been to the house of the many hon. government and the board, that the deadline, that only in the la fnord, which commemorates the contribution to the debate, 16:44:44 my right honourable, gallant, learned and reverent friend fungot, what is your correct addressing style? 16:44:44 oerjan: our other priority homeless the local services that we have as a member of the eu, 16:50:58 b_jonas: it's a bit more complicated http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/82149.stm 17:01:00 oerjan: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1330.html 17:07:19 windows wants a reboot for the third time this month... 17:08:10 oerjan: hmm, that is informative. but how do you address the whole chamber, such as at the start of a speech? 17:09:11 b_jonas: i dunno, ask fizzie to include some lord speeches hth 17:09:26 The addressing are simpler in Hungary because the aristocratic titles are generally no longer used 17:09:33 to avoid being caught out by this, i carefully set my "activity period" to cover all the hours i'm awake, which is somewhat awkward with an unstable sleeping rhythm. 17:12:10 in norway, aristocracy was abolished back in the 19th century 17:12:30 Also since 1989, people usually no longer call each other their comrades or their tovariŝ 17:15:16 but it is true that politicians do use very different styles when they speak in the parliament versus amongst their party. that becomes very obvious if you hear the speeches of Mr Orbán in both cases 17:16:56 wait what? 17:17:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnwfwXnNiQ says that "you can only physically push one of the direction buttons at a time" on the NES controller 17:17:43 that's not true, is it? 17:17:49 I think you can push two diagonally 17:18:35 but it's strange that he says that, because obviously he's played the NES a lot and has a controller right in his hand to test 17:21:25 shocking 17:22:03 nah, it's only five volts and not much current 17:22:13 he didn't disassemble the CRT in that video 17:49:29 Although he does explain in one video how Commodore 64 power units have an annoying bug where sometimes they start to supply much higher voltage to the motherboard than usual, and that can fry multiple chips on the board before you notice that anything is wrong. 17:58:52 b_jonas: "My Lords, --" is how they always seem to start. 17:59:15 And it's "the noble Lord" when referring to the previous speaker. 18:00:03 Sometimes "my noble friend". 18:00:54 aha 18:02:04 The Commons speeches don't seem to have any formulaic start, at least these days. 18:05:56 fizzie: I see 18:06:40 I think in the parliament of Hungary, the formulaic start is or used to be "Tisztelt ház, tisztelt elnök úr, tisztelt miniszterek!" but that could have changed since 18:16:09 obviously I could check, since most of the parliament stuff is public and available on the internet, but I don't much care 18:35:01 -!- imode has joined. 18:37:33 so I found a paper that actually diagrams a replacement for set theory using lists. 18:37:47 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231884964_An_axiomatic_theory_of_well-orderings 18:38:35 it pretty much phrases everything I've said here and other places, so I'm a happy lad. the results are nice in that you still have the same expressive power as ZFC but you get a lot of things for free. 19:01:43 `unidecode ⏏ 19:01:44 ​[U+23CF EJECT SYMBOL] 19:14:57 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:20:12 imode: does it give draft proofs for that, as in, implementing ZFC from that theory and backwards? 19:20:24 yup. 19:20:46 not sure if I can link any sci-hub stuff here but it's in there. 19:21:33 found it and read it at like 2 AM this morning on my phone lmao. 19:22:02 good 19:22:29 good to know that someone worked the details out 19:22:52 I'm quite happy with it, as I had a lot of the conclusions/work in that paper worked out in a notefile. 19:23:00 now all I need is a logic! 19:23:31 no no 19:24:02 I'd like to hear a bit more details. does that book tell about an implementation of the real numbers based on that system? 19:24:22 and if so, is it the equivalence classes of cauchy sequences of reals? 19:26:27 imode: why couldn't you link here? 19:27:15 sci-hub is a method for circumventing paywalls regarding journals, I don't know if that's covered under piracy (I assume it is). 19:27:26 so I'm playing it safe. 19:27:30 the paper is behind a paywall. 19:27:32 imode: yes, but... oh whatever you want 19:27:42 * imode shrugs. 19:27:43 https://sci-hub.tw/10.1017/S1755020310000390 19:27:47 anyway, I don't want to read this book now 19:27:52 so I'm asking you since you've already read it 19:28:51 they don't cover the reals. their approach is showing an axiom mapping from ZFC to their theory. 19:29:04 hmm 19:29:17 do they at least cover natural numbers? 19:30:15 seems to be not. they get all the way up through ordered pairs, though. nats are trivially constructable early on in the paper. 19:30:30 ok 19:30:45 the reasoning path is pretty much "all this stuff is trivially derivable, we're giving justifications for the axioms and showing how you can replace your's with these and get the same results for the hard stuff." 19:30:55 yeah 19:31:26 but it'd be more interesting if they also shown that some things get simpler that way 19:31:37 while some other things may get uglier of course 20:08:18 [[User:DMC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58741&oldid=58512 * DMC * (+6) 20:21:15 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:23:56 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 21:21:57 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 21:35:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:35:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 21:35:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:35:34 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 21:47:11 Why the ace of money doesn't resembles money it looks like a bird with two heads? 21:53:01 -!- nchambers has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:56:50 -!- ChatMan has joined. 21:57:00 -!- ChatMan has changed nick to ChattingMan. 21:59:35 Do you mean the ace of coins? 21:59:41 Yes 22:02:01 -!- LKoen has joined. 22:03:45 -!- ChattingMan has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.). 22:16:54 zzo38: well, a lot of coins have a bird on it, and coins in Austria or Germany may even have a two-headed Imperial bird that's supposed to be an eagle 22:17:03 although it doesn't always look like an eagle 22:17:39 we have, I think, two common and one rare coin wity a bird on it right now in Hungary, though none of them are two headed 22:18:06 and then there's all the overused Athena/Athene/owl symbolism everywhere 22:18:30 too many things are named of Athena, people should really start to use different mythological names 22:22:26 Yes, you can perhaps select different pantheons 22:22:47 or just different figures from Greek and Roman mythology if you want 22:22:56 Yes, you can do that too 22:26:05 `? athene 22:26:05 `? athena 22:26:07 athene? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:26:08 athena? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:26:09 `? pallas 22:26:10 pallas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:26:11 hmm 22:53:12 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 23:26:33 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:37:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:37:19 -!- arseniiv has quit (Quit: gone completely :o). 23:38:53 seems to me that anything that involves graph-based computing pretty much boils down to two methods of graph rewriting: traversals and pattern matching. 23:42:18 what I'd like to see is some sort of cellular automaton thingy that is on a "grid" background that's in the Euc plane and is isometric if you look at it from far enough 23:44:11 perhaps you could start from a Voronoi thingy like http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/randvoronoi.html and then make it more event or something 23:45:27 or maybe one of those random disk packing things with relaxation where they end up having lots of uneven grid parts