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00:00:37 <b_jonas> whatever is its short invocation
00:04:02 <imode> what's the graph analogue of the lambda calculus, I wonder. I know what it means to apply a term tree to another term tree (like function application), but I don't know of something like that for arbitrary graphs.
00:09:33 <imode> reason I'm wondering is because I'm looking for a model of computation that closely resembles some "natural" form of knowledge, and graphs are able to represent knowledge pretty easily via the semantic network concept.
00:17:15 <imode> though I'm open to other forms of knowledge representation... graphs get weird.
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01:03:21 <imode> maybe graph grammars will point me in the right direction..
01:07:53 <imode> there's an internal struggle in me. on the one hand, I want a graph-based model of computation that features no variables that I can use to encode knowledge and model stuff. on the other hand, I acknowledge that anything that looks like it will probably look like some variant of combinatory logic.
01:09:17 <b_jonas> imode: you do know about Eodermdrone. although that does contain variables, namely captures
01:11:24 <imode> yeah... I thought "well, what if we could take graphs and "apply them" to other graphs to derive new graphs according to some rules." but that'd just lead to combinators, with your "base graph" and the method of combining two graphs being two combinators, and any given graph is just a different set of applications.
01:13:41 <imode> like it'd be nice to take, for example, some subgraphs encoding facts, and another subgraph encoding some set of derivation rules, mash 'em together and get a set of derived facts.
01:13:55 <imode> but the actual structure of those applications is combinatoric.
01:30:20 <imode> perhaps I have to accept that everything reduces to some combinator set.
01:52:54 <imode> curry was a genius.
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03:22:48 <imode> Problem: Does a class of graph grammars exist such that each grammar does not admit free or bound variables on either the Left-Hand Side or Right-Hand Side and is also Turing Complete?
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04:26:45 <esowiki> [[Your Pong May Minsky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58742&oldid=55875 * Chris Pressey * (-23) No one has complained, which means the proof must be okay, that's how it works right?
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04:45:25 <esowiki> [[Talk:The Waterfall Model]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58743&oldid=55865 * Chris Pressey * (+814) Sketch of computable real making sub-TC language into TC
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05:09:45 <lambdabot> LOWI 170450Z VRB01KT 9999 FEW007 BKN200 M04/M05 Q1018 R08/19//95 NOSIG
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09:24:01 <salpynx> imode: re. graph grammers, I was wondering if L-systems are applicable to your search? I was recently trying to find out the relationship between Lsystems and cellular automata, and there are numerous papers not readily readable on the subject, I couldn't find a straight answer. I think they can be used to implement automata rules
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09:25:16 <salpynx> searching just now how L-systems relate to graphs I found this interesting book chapter of L-systems, graphs, and Super Mario Bros level design: http://pcgbook.com/wp-content/uploads/chapter05.pdf
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12:01:03 <esowiki> [[Hieroglyphic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58744&oldid=46401 * Salpynx * (+849) format command list
12:11:39 <esowiki> [[Hieroglyphic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58745&oldid=58744 * Salpynx * (+152) attempt to clarify commands based on example usage
12:26:50 <esowiki> [[Your Pong May Minsky]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58746&oldid=58742 * Chris Pressey * (+18)
12:28:51 <esowiki> [[Hieroglyphic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58747&oldid=58745 * Salpynx * (+0) /* Syntax */ correct diacritic
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16:50:53 <esowiki> [[Talk:Your Pong May Minsky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58748&oldid=55880 * Chris Pressey * (+519) /* Continuous waterfalls */
17:04:22 <esowiki> [[Talk:Your Pong May Minsky]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58749&oldid=58748 * Chris Pressey * (+1) /* Continuous waterfalls */
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19:19:24 <HackEso> olist 1149: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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20:57:31 <oren> makefile:84: *** unterminated variable reference. Stop.
20:58:47 <oren> I hate how makefile syntax and bash syntax interact in unhelpful ways
20:59:33 <oren> does make really need to use $ for its variable sigil?
21:00:08 <oren> if make used say : or something then there would be no issue
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23:42:51 <oren> #!/usr/bin/perl -CS
23:42:52 <oren> print chr(0x2571+int(rand(2))) while 1;
23:51:57 <imode> is that the maze drawer.
23:57:07 <esowiki> [[Talk:The Waterfall Model]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58750&oldid=58743 * Ais523 * (+945) /* Waterclocks over the reals */ r to Chris Pressey: a concrete example of a language with this property
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23:58:20 <esowiki> [[Talk:The Waterfall Model]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58751&oldid=58750 * Ais523 * (+110) clarify where my reply is going, rather than dumping a bunch of statements with no context