< 1546042256 399202 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing by self assembly is my new thing to get excited about. < 1546042424 975446 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1546043182 931341 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is considered more fundamental: uniform spaces or arbitrary spaces? < 1546043232 426607 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary graphs vs. lattices, I suppose. < 1546043356 787481 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of me says that grids and spaces are more fundamental, but part of me says that arbitrary graphs can express arbitrary topologies, and that includes grids and spaces. < 1546043422 11848 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :been leaning more towards the former, because any graph needs to be embedded in something to have any kind of meaning. < 1546043441 529672 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your first choice of space has to be something like uniform 2D or 3D or 1D space. < 1546045131 740780 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1546045378 260310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1546046396 494675 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546046538 845206 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1546046557 872336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, people don't seem to believe that ⊕P is hard, and have some evidence to the contrary. "P^⊕P is not known to even contain NP." ""there is a relativized universe where P = ⊕P ≠ NP = PP = EXPTIME" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_P < 1546046590 468466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I learned about Toda's theorem. Fun stuff. < 1546046679 518307 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqhpriryttfsrnrm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1546046738 592767 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1546046741 778204 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1546046746 9455 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1546046856 908392 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1546046869 566508 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1546046891 591800 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1546049106 489599 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't think they believe it's actually in P, as that would imply PH in BPP by the other toda's theorem fact mentioned < 1546049205 523946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but they do seem to believe that it's easier than #P. < 1546049558 734259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But actually it's quite hard to find anything tangible when it comes to relating ⊕P and #P. < 1546049888 262999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"⊕P contains the graph isomorphism problem" is obviously relevant. < 1546050014 36093 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see http://paste.debian.net/1057754/ ? < 1546050061 968022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SK combinatory logic as a queue automaton... discussion from last night... morning... whatever) < 1546050655 942964 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1546050669 439296 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, it's not relevant. graph isomorphism is probably in P < 1546050683 426587 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is relevant because we don't know that yet < 1546050715 56488 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so in particular there is no parity-preserving polynomial time reduction from #SAT to permanents. < 1546050718 795638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :known. < 1546050732 881085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess that does make it relevant < 1546050739 408618 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1546050753 65379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1546051208 165315 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: shouldn't line 47 have a ` at the beginning of the inserted string? < 1546051306 503953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope, 3 has only 2 consumed `. < 1546051322 69364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an evil trick, I'll admit. < 1546051343 115347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: note that line 41 doesn't erase the ` < 1546051347 610035 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1546051426 173621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cold < 1546051427 291220 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546051456 155469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1546051456 499320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 290220Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 FEW090 M04/M05 Q1031 < 1546051674 507867 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn The cold never bothered me anyway. < 1546051700 472223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`trouble < 1546051711 167096 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :treble < 1546051745 338565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :203 < 1546051751 142216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm. < 1546051785 942610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' < 1546051786 621050 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :902) I do study philosophy of much. < 1546052109 447739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' 203 < 1546052110 219870 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :203) * quintopia sits on gregor < 1546052120 730299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? * < 1546052121 843686 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twinkle, twinkle, little star! < 1546052226 744947 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1546052227 468198 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​klein bottle//A Klein bottle is like a torus, but more insidious. Taneb tried to invent it, but got trapped inside. < 1546052231 625710 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1546052232 469606 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1546052251 618565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? _46bit < 1546052252 754227 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. < 1546052264 107252 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1546052264 809647 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​dingbat//dingbat is a famous font designer for Microsoft. < 1546052270 796935 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1546052271 635601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1546052272 352023 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​b_jonas//b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek. < 1546052284 788949 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that nonsense is still there < 1546052285 980659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1546052287 383467 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​cookie//Hackego wants a cookie! *hangs* < 1546052291 73612 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1546052291 900746 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​urbandictionary//Urban Dictionary is an alternative, inferior wisdom database. < 1546052301 102351 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1546052301 753615 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :694) fungot: Feeling scrambled after all that? fizzie: but it's much like new zealand, in my stone-age country, we still like you even if you're only using the new fnord < 1546052316 762854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, true < 1546052325 414350 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in new zealand < 1546052336 729075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders `slwd cookie//s/g/s/ < 1546052359 543008 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders `slwd cookie//s/.g/Es/ < 1546052381 958864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain < 1546052382 61410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promise me something, Pinky. Never breed. < 1546052396 36899 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Zealand was invented by Jules Verne, to give a starting location for the novel Deux ans des vacances. < 1546052398 79623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps that would make it historically incorrect < 1546052399 730247 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1546052438 83712 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. leet brain < 1546052438 171045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :HER3 we 4Re, pINKy--aT +H3 da\/\/n 0f TIME! < 1546052443 938801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinky < 1546052444 47164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game does not conclude until the woman with the eating disorder ululates. < 1546052487 608953 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` allquotes | grep -Ei hackego < 1546052488 325636 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :32) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that \ 70) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 305) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 306) `quote django ​352) djan < 1546052519 337625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1546052521 9932 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:575) That was me being *nice*. I could have made the request by word of mouth to my My Little Pony toys and it would count. \ 978) prediction: kmc never comes back * kmc has joined #esoteric \ 436) elliott: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'. \ 1132) I may write a compliant interpreter just for the hell of it Taneb: stop complianing < 1546052522 312671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1546052524 550557 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: \ 810) i love how allegedly wine can run all of these different programs but the only one i can actually run is starcraft i think wine may secretly be a cleanroom reimplementation of starcraft < 1546052536 932716 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` allquotes | grep -Ei lambdabot < 1546052537 710217 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :331) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. \ 409) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace \ 494) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver s < 1546052566 137017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 352 < 1546052566 892890 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :352) The wickedest man of all. Surpassed only in wickedness by the wicked witches of the west and east. you talking about me again? Yes. k < 1546052577 998181 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1546052581 31957 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1546052582 688491 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I just use < 1546052585 117426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 306 < 1546052585 898684 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :306) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one thankfully only two < 1546052591 158528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote HackEgo < 1546052591 844605 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :32) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that \ 70) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 305) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 306) `quote django ​352) djan < 1546052596 936183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedding quote numbers in a quote is evil. < 1546052597 358401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1546052618 593821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: except for the -i perhaps < 1546052621 503576 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote HackEso < 1546052622 175557 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1546052630 538920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` allquotes | grep -Ei hackeso < 1546052630 737425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Hackego < 1546052631 510936 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1546052631 828521 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :32) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that \ 70) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 305) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 306) `quote django ​352) djan < 1546052640 301673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1546052649 396991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I [sic] didn't know that. < 1546052668 187183 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` allquotes | grep -Ei "hacke[^g]" < 1546052668 981660 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :852) i bet a blog post complaining about ");});});" syntax in JavaScript and comparing it unfavorably to Lisp would get approximately one billion comments on hacker news but at what cost? your very soul, kmc! \ 974) i'm not actually competent at hacking things ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] [face shoved in toile < 1546052742 759022 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` allquotes | grep -Ei geordi < 1546052743 585553 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1546052747 166810 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-104.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1546053452 81855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1546053900 157508 :uplime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers NICK :uptime < 1546054887 679225 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1546054991 325770 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546055088 765331 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think you can merge S4 with one of S1 or S2 < 1546055142 996857 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546055177 363260 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even with K1 < 1546055299 237398 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1546055302 738519 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually K0 and K1 look mergeable < 1546055579 107560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. willl think about it after sleep < 1546056788 480183 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546057042 397167 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1546058071 761691 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a desirable attribute of a theory in physics called background independence. it's the idea that the theory is independent of any given "background", or shape or space. in general relativity, for example, the "shape" of space is indirect. < 1546058162 471848 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring on them tensors < 1546058166 65408 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice because it reduces your assumptions. rather than working with specific surfaces or manifolds, you have to worry very little about the overall structure of what the objects of your theory are riding on. < 1546058211 572971 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wang tiling, or similar space-oriented models of computing, is pretty simple, but relies on a fixed background, that of the 2D euclidean plane. < 1546058284 324170 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted there can be 3D wang "cubes", as well as 1D wang "strings" of various computational powers, but they always assume some kind of regular rectangular lattice as the "backdrop". < 1546058400 117854 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines also assume a "background": the space that contains the tape and the read/write head. for CL/LC, it's the space of the expression. < 1546058480 766537 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is, what does a "background-independent" model of computation look like? I posit that it looks something like a cellular automaton, and as a result I posit that wang tiles can be "freed" of their background. < 1546058612 862720 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reasoning is that cellular automata only require a definition of "points in space" and the concept of a neighbor. > 1546060014 124286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TOWCBL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58875 5* 03ShareMan 5* (+4530) 10Completed part of the page on TOWCBL < 1546060201 118771 :doesthiswork!~Adium@131.191.115.81 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1546060617 385697 :doesthiswork!~Adium@131.191.115.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546062050 964901 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1546069744 255490 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546069999 225336 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1546070512 764982 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1546071300 786779 :uptime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1546071593 303049 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1546072683 974737 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546073567 282282 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1546073773 310247 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 thank you! < 1546073773 399956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1546076785 699240 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546076963 954051 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1546077359 210025 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Superstrijder15 5* 10New user account > 1546077606 17911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58876&oldid=58847 5* 03Superstrijder15 5* (+547) 10/* Introductions */ > 1546078592 133845 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Gravity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58877&oldid=19914 5* 03Superstrijder15 5* (+756) 10/* Missing syntax info */ new section < 1546083656 989790 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546083864 834062 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1546084262 360908 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546084328 382857 :rain2!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1546084581 663521 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@131.191.115.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546084581 932428 :doesthiswork!~Adium@131.191.115.81 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1546088249 662699 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1546088255 104485 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? for < 1546088256 203838 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546088262 882500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fortran < 1546088264 16674 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN was a language in 1957, in which our noble, honourable ancestors wrote programs on punched cards and paper tape. < 1546088265 846308 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? smalltalk < 1546088266 974014 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546088310 775184 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, did our hon. and learned ancestors wrote programs in FORTRAN on punch cards? < 1546088311 43842 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i was the minister, the fear, the terror of the refugees, among the many attending the local gps and pharmacies free in the uk but, shockingly, the report uncovers the challenges, the government have < 1546088325 22840 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? C < 1546088326 160326 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault < 1546088327 608762 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lisp < 1546088328 785391 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546088329 846301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scheme < 1546088331 228543 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546088386 317558 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546088411 534126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely C is not that ba^%*@13Segmentation fault. Core dumped. < 1546088458 412579 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is FORTRAN named from that because "FOR" is the keyword it's using for counter loops? < 1546088497 393133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure "FOR" is for "FORMULA" < 1546088539 669075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could actually write x+y instead of LOAD x, ADD y < 1546088931 374737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "TRAN" is at least said to be from "translation". < 1546089642 510044 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it translates counter loops to increment, compare, and jump underneath < 1546089649 315323 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and branch < 1546089701 373122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes decrease instead of increase, if it's a backwards counter loop > 1546089753 58399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Gravity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58878&oldid=26089 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+30) 10/* External resources */ update specification link to archived version < 1546089790 207867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm afraid you're not absurd enough to be funny and your etymology is almost certainly wrong. < 1546089797 854927 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1546089856 524139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nothing to do with the name "FORTRAN", I just figured that "for" is another of those strange syntaxes that fortran and C popularized so much that everyone knows those counter loops are "for" loops even when they don't program fortran or C < 1546089895 35360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like equals signs for assignment: FORTRAN and C won over smalltalk and APL, so we use an equals sign, not a left arrow < 1546089906 1983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget Pascal, BASIC, and Modula < 1546089922 888078 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(regarding for loops) < 1546089941 59490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, Pascal and BASIC probably inherited those keywords from FORTRAN < 1546089965 918700 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of FORTRAN and C as the more popular and influential languages, rather than BASIC and Pascal < 1546089974 491837 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know almost nothing about Modula < 1546089983 870118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd have thought that an early programming language could be so influential... < 1546089995 176371 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1546090015 403588 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1546090059 904231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's just that < 1546090060 598162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modula is similar to Pascal but adds a module system. It came out too late; I believe that in practice Turbo Pascal's units have seen a lot more use. < 1546090183 752679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe ALGOL (which is roughly contemporary with FORTRAN) was pretty influential too, and it also uses "for". < 1546090200 447938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever reason < 1546090201 800134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, the practice of using typeface (or underlining) to distinguish keywords didn't really get picked up from ALGOL. < 1546090228 457373 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nub "kjhalksdha" < 1546090230 529116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "kjhalsd" < 1546090249 388114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most programmers like short words. < 1546090252 220969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a book that told you how to mechanistically translate between FORTRAN 2, FORTRAN 4 and ALGOL 60, for a few different machines. < 1546090261 793363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picked it up from the discard pile of the university library. < 1546090287 547844 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN and C were influential about syntax. smalltalk and lisp were much less so. even when languages use dynamic allocation and object orientation with prototypes and overridable methods and instance variables like smalltalk, they barely take any of smalltalk's syntax. < 1546090323 768319 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vertical bars of rust originate from smalltalk through ruby, but note that smalltalk uses them for declaring local variables, but ruby and rust uses them for declaring formal parameters. < 1546090338 338824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps the "let" keyword comes from lisp < 1546090436 124834 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I did use underlining for some keywords when I made paper backups of some of my programs on the SHARP EL-5120 calculator. that calculator represents keywords as single bytes in the program, and the editor edits them as if they were single characters of up to 6 cells wide on the display < 1546090455 242574 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :keywords include "GOTO " and "exp " > 1546090509 70485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Gravity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58879&oldid=58877 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+489) 10/* Missing syntax info */ check out the updated resources section < 1546090690 920422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course C popularized the & and | for bitwise and logical operators, even to languages like rust that don't use C precedence order < 1546090826 447518 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ^ and << and >> for bitwise xor and bitshifts respectively < 1546092086 907031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan update - 17 states now: http://paste.debian.net/1057901/ < 1546092086 995929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1546092095 87450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode update - 17 states now: http://paste.debian.net/1057901/ < 1546092095 182265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1546092106 405464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( @tell is not useful for spamming ) < 1546092115 269959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's allowed in 17 states, or forbidden in 17 states? < 1546092127 604664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1546092160 419074 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which state finally gave in? LA? < 1546092252 368181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why doesn't that paste have syntax hilighting? < 1546092455 793387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? COMPLEX < 1546092457 15218 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLEX? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092463 5855 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? BASIC < 1546092464 192281 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092467 820942 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? basic < 1546092469 14076 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092473 636015 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp COMPLEX < 1546092475 528523 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bezout's theorem:Bézout's theorem says that if a system of polynomial equations over the complexes has as many variables as equations, then in the general case the number of solutions it has is equal to the product of one less than the degrees of the polynomials. \ bézout's theorem:Bézout's theorem says that if a system of polynomial equations over the complexes has as many variables as equations, then in the general case the number of solutions it has < 1546092483 977184 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? complex < 1546092486 797700 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? INCOMPREHENSIBLE < 1546092487 425377 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092488 711371 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCOMPREHENSIBLE? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092493 668815 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyy < 1546092500 436110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it's a MYSTERY < 1546092505 940952 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? MYSTERY < 1546092507 62623 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYSTERY? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092515 903297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1546092515 903345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((((( < 1546092516 231807 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is a need, therefore, the more we will be accused of and held the world land speed record. he is to be enormously proud to be the only one, in the house, < 1546092517 79755 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. < 1546092564 180266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, have I also added one about < 1546092566 269001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rademacher < 1546092567 391908 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rademacher? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092568 187584 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rademacher's theorem < 1546092569 193507 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rademacher's theorem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546092571 876828 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1546092574 971738 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should < 1546092577 747021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting what it is < 1546092583 44197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I also keep forgetting what its name is < 1546092596 508486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily the wisdom database is searchable < 1546092598 569280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google reidemeister moves < 1546092599 312756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reidemeister_move < 1546092619 627775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the images at the top are atrocious < 1546092640 894235 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear fungot don’t you maybe know why I have almost no memory left when updating Win7 on VirtualBox and it’s nowhere to be indicated that it is VirtualBox’s processes that demand so much of it < 1546092641 31234 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: at the very least, the government get the short-term and that the issues of the most concern the minister that the government will < 1546092666 94294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1546092666 208167 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube < 1546092672 503998 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t even open my beloved^W firefox now < 1546092681 701667 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it instacloses < 1546092729 179911 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :is youtube style interesting? what data does it use? < 1546092731 225190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The government will what? < 1546092731 319582 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to my british partners and have undermined the ability of the government to < 1546092745 115437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: try to open it with the --no-remote --ProfileManager parameters, or whatever the equivalent of they are for your version of firefox, since they keep changing command-line syntax < 1546092747 97553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The government to WHAT? Why do you stop like that. < 1546092747 211314 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have the government made the decision, with the ability to make the public any knowledge. < 1546092772 68396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: It's not particularly good, it's based on semi-manually scraped comments from a handful of videos someone gave me. < 1546092787 423759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: From what I recall, it's mostly about plane crashes and maybe 9/11 conspiracy theories. < 1546092791 614988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1546092791 685337 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1546092795 345864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Steel beams, jet fuel. < 1546092795 423499 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know is metal gear, but this was a ok movie about 30 minutes until the time this releases. i posted the same < 1546092806 242214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's probably a different video. < 1546092811 252182 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1546092837 315578 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want my memory back, vile VirtualBox!) < 1546092906 815258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546092930 15730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to figure out what I'm being thanked for < 1546092935 336522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1546092935 415557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv said 5h 19m 22s ago: thank you! < 1546092989 913677 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha for that TIO < 1546093017 655234 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIO info* < 1546093980 439045 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546094162 952926 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1546094404 737331 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1546094659 198439 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1546094982 692863 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1546096440 958547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new IOCCC has just started, btw: mentioning it here because I know many #esoteric denizens are interested in obfuscated coding < 1546096456 50333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadline is in March, so there's plenty of time to write submissions < 1546096578 224379 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international corncob for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | 2019 IOCCC ends March 15th -- http://www.ioccc.org/2019/rules.txt | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1546097022 391882 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1546097155 682587 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh wow < 1546097162 955726 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1546097178 20172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I'm interested. perhaps more so than in esoteric languages. < 1546097606 573788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor won the IOCCC one year < 1546097614 331873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`footnote < 1546097614 957245 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: 'wisdom/footnote ': No such file or directory < 1546097615 3788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this channel does have some success < 1546097629 751545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/footnote* < 1546097630 606364 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/footnote 1 wisdom/footnote 8 < 1546097635 413705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`footnote 8 < 1546097636 36700 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes⁺? < 1546097642 386756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A classic. < 1546097652 109543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`footnote 1 < 1546097652 659742 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :May contain nuts. < 1546097700 158930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The win was in the "Most surprisingly portable" category, which was nice. < 1546097813 346708 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. Guidelines say "| The reason for the time of day due to Erdős, an amazing mathematician / ! that at least one of the IOCCC judges had the pleasure of working with." < 1546097841 665521 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the exclamation mark for, and how does the times of the day above connect to him? < 1546097985 595298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1546097991 309608 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546098167 442776 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1546098167 854331 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1546098369 656822 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1546098662 495094 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? standard < 1546098663 619358 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546098833 462975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a pun in that entry, using the double meaning of "standard" between technology standards and the stuff that the small Flagbearer carries, and the double meaning of "target" between what you compile to and the M:tG technical meaning < 1546098872 399922 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you port your code to target the standard if possible, or cast your spell to target the standard if possible < 1546098983 643777 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1546098994 950233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s%E2%80%93Borwein_constant and https://primes.utm.edu/curios/page.php/160669.html are relevant for the 16:06:69. < 1546099317 517622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks < 1546099620 763455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... guidelines also says "the speaker of your national pariliment". is that apparent typo deliberate? < 1546099640 181035 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend, do you ever speak in your national pariliment? < 1546099647 961859 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1546099651 697459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, do you ever speak in your national pariliment? < 1546099651 775302 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i hope you die of god damn cancer you're so ignorant and rude and stupid. who taught you that. < 1546100156 139309 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 cup salted butter, 1/2 cup sugar, 2 cup flour. < 1546100168 532156 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave butter to soften to room temperature then mix in sugar until homogenous. then sift in flour and mix again. form into a ball and cool in the fridge for 10 minutes, then roll to 1 cm thick and cut into cookies. bake 20 min at 325 degrees F, cool 10 min and bake again same thing. < 1546100344 902342 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrtbred cookies < 1546100355 88311 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sift in flour"? seriously? < 1546100389 120083 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is that the correct verb for pouring the flour thru a sieve? < 1546100417 113263 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, I don't know < 1546100436 419315 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the point is to prevent the flour from clumping < 1546100444 379878 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name sift < 1546100445 80567 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sift \ 3U \ Sorcery \ Draw three cards, then discard a card. \ ST-C, 9ED-C, 10E-C, A25-C \ \ Sift Through Sands \ 1UU \ Instant -- Arcane \ Draw two cards, then discard a card. \ If you've cast a spell named Peer Through Depths and a spell named Reach Through Mists this turn, you may search your library for a card named The Unspeakable, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. \ CHK-C, DDS-C \ \ Sifter Wurm \ 5GG \ Creature -- Wurm \ 7/7 \ < 1546100714 956349 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This recipe is formed by taking some recipe from online and using only the ingredients we actually had namely butter, sugar, flour < 1546102065 615083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've given up on the 8607 or 0.8607 or whatever the second time of day is. < 1546102123 7537 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1546102143 141915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0.8607 turns up in a PhD thesis on phase transitions in random graphs that cites Erdos, but that's not convincing.) < 1546102258 76164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the exact expression looks impressive. https://edoc.hu-berlin.de/bitstream/handle/18452/16311/seierstad.pdf is that thesis. < 1546102932 997251 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1546103029 133698 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1546103029 223854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 3h 2m 22s ago: update - 17 states now: http://paste.debian.net/1057901/ < 1546103364 180110 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: -- &: skip over remainder of the queue and switch to @. <-- it could find a % first, couldn't it? < 1546103399 949868 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in the version i looked at first, it seemed like you might occasionally move one marker while there was still progress to made on a later one. < 1546103466 823922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, the description is a bit inaccurate in that point. < 1546103497 312476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My excuse is that everything would still work and just be a bit slower with & % -> % & < 1546103550 17433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the line numbers disappeared along with the syntax hilighting. That's inconvenient. < 1546103685 449087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, it's your fault. < 1546103692 2283 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1546103738 282350 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just used the link from your @tell) < 1546103744 147679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://paste.debian.net/1057920/ is the same with Ø replaced by Oe < 1546103773 839559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that ridiculous. < 1546103777 763770 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ø < 1546103778 813829 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1546103778 879337 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ø is not going anywhere. < 1546103788 91310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ørjan < 1546103789 114998 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your pal Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers without noticing it. < 1546104352 317880 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see you also noted # # was redundant, i was going to comment on that < 1546104366 151835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode http://paste.debian.net/1057921/ has syntax hilighting. < 1546104366 246333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1546104390 939549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. invariants are tricky :) < 1546104472 499683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm fairly happy with it now. < 1546104494 387982 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there any change from *20 to *21) < 1546104514 327859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweaking comments... < 1546104535 634679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added to &: Optimization: switch to % when a % is encountered along the way. < 1546104549 498109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I changed S2 to S1 in the description of D. < 1546104583 552034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use gist for this. > 1546104827 228000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LolKek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58880&oldid=58855 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (-2855) 10Replaced content with "LolKek - is modification Brainfuck" > 1546104891 262108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LolKek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58881&oldid=58880 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (+4) 10 < 1546105190 256519 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1546105542 53254 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think in line 206-207 you can make the right sides 0 and 1 instead of @ and ` @ < 1546105676 39638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. true. < 1546105832 28135 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but for 208 it's alas unknown whether to use 2 or 3) > 1546106012 766517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LolKek14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58882&oldid=58881 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (+32) 10 > 1546106349 81470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58883&oldid=55671 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (-3023) 10Replaced content with "Fuck This" > 1546106393 894330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58884&oldid=57884 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (-10319) 10Blanked the page > 1546106422 588283 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58885&oldid=57033 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (-2840) 10Blanked the page > 1546106447 186174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58886&oldid=57561 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (-3142) 10Blanked the page > 1546106519 485007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58887&oldid=58669 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (-37287) 10Blanked the page > 1546106641 261180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58888&oldid=58887 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (+386) 10 < 1546106657 995103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?! < 1546106675 361667 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh > 1546106706 334314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vrejvax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58889&oldid=57384 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (-1991) 10Replaced content with "'''V" < 1546106710 303160 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did that say [[Main Page]]? < 1546106752 509904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. > 1546106759 288771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58890&oldid=58883 5* 03Pop MAXXXIM 5* (+3) 10 < 1546106768 373867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They blanked their own page... and then they started this. < 1546106796 86757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping oerjan or ais523 will revert all this, this is too much for a simple user. < 1546106838 90092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else is admin, fizzie maybe. > 1546106879 28725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58891&oldid=58888 5* 03B jonas 5* (+36889) 10rv blanking rev to 07:21, 4 September 2018 by Rdebath > 1546106967 174598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58892&oldid=58890 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3020) 10rv two edits by MAXXXIM to rev 12:57, 13 June 2018 Ais523 < 1546107013 16188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. was https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck&diff=prev&oldid=58888 an attempt to undo things? > 1546107021 867129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58893&oldid=58884 5* 03B jonas 5* (+10319) 10rv blanking by Pop MAXXXIM to rev 16:46, 1 October 2018 Zzo38 < 1546107084 795292 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, :( > 1546107089 738838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58894&oldid=58886 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3142) 10rv blanking by Pop MAXXXIM to rev 23:18, 11 September 2018 B jonas < 1546107122 674765 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1546107126 173719 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in the world is going on? < 1546107144 875564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody threw a temper tantrum on a wiki. < 1546107152 898333 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lovely.. > 1546107154 791564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58895&oldid=58885 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2840) 10rv blanking by Pop MAXXXIM to rev 11:22, 25 July 2018 GDavid. yes it's very funny, now please stop. > 1546107217 208069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:Pop MAXXXIM10]] with an expiration time of 1 week (account creation disabled): Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages < 1546107242 71106 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks for the followup with that queue automaton, int-e. :D < 1546107254 73513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting that it started with a reasonable edit to their own language page. > 1546107289 621440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vrejvax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58896&oldid=58889 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1991) 10rv blanking by Pop MAXXXIM to rev 06:40, 20 August 2018 Madk < 1546107302 181211 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they a new user? < 1546107334 213735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, no... they blanked it first. < 1546107365 449562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:30, 23 December 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+168)‎ . . Esolang:Introduce yourself ‎ (→‎Introductions) < 1546107369 917576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty new. < 1546107375 692593 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao. < 1546107384 992024 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, nice euphemism < 1546107408 773461 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inserting* nonsense/gibberish into pages < 1546107434 807422 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't bother to check out too carefully what they'd actually done, so just picked a close reason < 1546107454 155066 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity." < 1546107471 443873 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :never saw that before on the front page.. huh. < 1546107530 227857 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: someone came on this channel and said it (probably someone who expect it to be about something else), we just had to use it :P < 1546107537 688025 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity < 1546107538 590180 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :240) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1546107551 42627 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1546107564 379265 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expected < 1546107623 821552 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this might be an argument against your opinion we should allow non-english pages >:P < 1546107692 538303 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1546107735 712895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we should not allow bushy moustaches because Stalin had a moustache < 1546107876 614513 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tantrum was from the same guy who made that russian one) < 1546107899 924284 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also hitler < 1546107916 833160 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one we actually _don't_ allow < 1546107942 669863 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think Hitler's moustache was bushy though < 1546107955 813333 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, thanks for helping reverting > 1546108151 145452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58897&oldid=58891 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+12) 10Reinstate small clarification (because people keep missing the joke otherwise) < 1546108263 709120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"REINSTATE" takes a pres participle, so that would be "REINSTATE SMALL CLARIFYING" I think > 1546108293 146555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 reblock10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10changed block settings for [[02User:Pop MAXXXIM10]] with an expiration time of 18:13, 5 January 2019 (account creation disabled): Removing content from pages < 1546108329 939299 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm pretty sure you're wrong < 1546108383 389267 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's an intercal joke < 1546108419 580227 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( fine, you got me ) < 1546108436 946196 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fixed the block reason < 1546108611 210347 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flagpole < 1546108612 507928 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flagpole is like a tadpole, but with a flag on top. < 1546108617 364040 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? standard < 1546108618 568516 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108627 706447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1546108633 400954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have an entry for that < 1546108638 108536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flag < 1546108639 212150 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108646 67694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banner < 1546108647 174951 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :banner? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108666 292591 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn standard//Here on this channel we ascribe to a higher standard. See flagpole. < 1546108668 410820 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'standard': Here on this channel we ascribe to a higher standard. See flagpole. < 1546108688 239751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flagpole < 1546108689 396471 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flagpole is like a tadpole, but with a flag on top. < 1546108707 888207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tadpole < 1546108709 32942 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater, and also a tad shorter. < 1546108752 452284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flapgole < 1546108753 606488 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flapgole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108754 207107 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flapgoal < 1546108755 183318 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flapgoal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108781 795175 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? magpole < 1546108782 969008 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :magpole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108792 685676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? backpole < 1546108793 738078 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :backpole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108795 900920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? blackpole < 1546108796 964114 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackpole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108799 61684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? blackpoe < 1546108800 135266 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackpoe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108837 72125 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes in the logs fungot using non-parilimentary language < 1546108837 182691 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can't wait for may 24!! this was true: it wasn't radio controlled, there are very big audience for game turned movies. < 1546108856 600977 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, somebody switched it to youtube style < 1546108864 442917 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1546108977 916369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? blackhoe < 1546108979 9702 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackhoe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108980 102116 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? backhoe < 1546108981 203989 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :backhoe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108981 963202 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? backhose < 1546108983 97997 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :backhose? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108991 895184 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? backwater < 1546108993 21475 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwater? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546108993 500116 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? groundwater < 1546108994 653781 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :groundwater? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546109011 20652 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: The standard does *not* involve adding every word b_jonas suggests, though < 1546109186 690382 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? black hole < 1546109187 831118 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :black hole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1546110115 449319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546110229 35046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: did you type out all those rv messages by hand? < 1546110236 486369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1546110245 511728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I copy-pasted < 1546110250 561666 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the revision history page < 1546110258 352595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's only like seven of htem < 1546110271 487724 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of them were on highly visible pages < 1546110273 986045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many of those < 1546110274 257724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the vandalism cleanup, anynway < 1546110298 471641 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can spot typing by hand from the inconsistent whitespace < 1546110534 328805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was checking to see if it was feasible to give more people access to the rollback button, but probably not; it's something of a blunt instrument and can cause problems if new users use it without knowing what it does < 1546110553 866378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given that throwing a rollback at someone is effectively a method of accusing them of vandalism) < 1546110553 866425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1546110566 256853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1546110598 313391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esolangs.org doesn't have settings allowing rollback to be enabled for individual people (without making them admins) < 1546110616 142182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the undo button will produce an automated message saying where the rewind is going to, that's available to everyone < 1546110623 216514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need a rollback button. I can save an old revision, or, if there's another revision on top, use diff3 to unmerge the edits I want to undo < 1546110628 488680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not as convenient for vandalism cleanup < 1546110658 798253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right; admins have a rollback button basically everywhere, whenever we look at an edit there's a rollback button besides it, which reverts all the changes made in a row by the user in question to the individual page < 1546110665 735958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no confirmation or anything, it just happens when we click it < 1546110675 143841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically for situations where we need to do reverts really quickly < 1546110696 459790 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's not very typical on esolangs.org < 1546110741 636975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful when spambots turn up < 1546110749 385036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the current anti-spam measures seem to be holding < 1546110760 875913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've ever needed to undo a thousand spam edits… < 1546110814 389489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although nowadays we have tools such as "revert every edit this user has ever performed, and delete every page that they created" (that one /does/ have a confirm :-D) < 1546110815 858363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want that power < 1546110822 89255 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't be trusted with it < 1546110832 674476 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have enoguh admins < 1546110832 732690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1546110961 44716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a different subject, "sift in flour" is correct but confusing, there's no separable verb "sift in", rather the "sift" (i.e. "separate using a sieve") and "in" (i.e. "place into") are being combined via eliding the words between, the meaning is like "sift the flour, placing the sifted flour into it" (where the thing you're placing the flour into has been elided too) < 1546110980 547330 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers NICK :uplime < 1546111737 815023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the phrasing I find strange, I just thought the whole notion of sifting flour was mostly obsolete for home use, like that people did that only back when they couldn't just buy processed food wrapped in plastic packaging from shops, and had to mix all dough by hand-stirring < 1546111773 425651 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to mix margarine and suger and flour, I don't sift it < 1546111789 289753 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's meant for those in more humid climates where moisture can clump flour together. < 1546111797 596057 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just improperly stored flour in general. < 1546111801 530032 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1546111803 938013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might make sense < 1546111851 973005 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that happened back when flour didn't come in one kilogram (or sometimes somewhat bigger) packages wrapped in paper, and once you open one, you put it in a plastic vessel that closes almost airtightly < 1546111871 492541 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have to consider the case of the "flour drawer". < 1546111893 758738 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just took a ceramic bowl and asked the shopkeeper in a non-self-serving shop to measure them some flour on a huge weight scale < 1546111903 343114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: yeah < 1546111927 976862 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things still existed in my early childhood < 1546111941 597329 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still exist at my relatives' lmao. < 1546111965 63061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the grid of the sieve was made of non-synthetic strands < 1546111994 708534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet people still made all sorts of food, even ones that involved methods that were really hard without modern conveniences < 1546112012 98720 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still occasionally read that sort of stuff from old cookbooks, and see remnants of such instruments < 1546112037 558274 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a particular channel, I believe it's called the Townsends, where they look at old cookery dating waaaaaaaaaaay back. < 1546112048 990558 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :like to the point where whisks were just a bundle of twigs tied together to agitate things. < 1546112056 607515 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is on YouTube.) < 1546112104 593028 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"agitate" < 1546112135 368181 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :agitate, incorporate, etc. < 1546112531 77254 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although of course today people also cook food in ways that require a ton of effort even with modern conveniences < 1546114282 979933 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1546114526 602423 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1546114530 489698 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious about eForth < 1546114532 691040 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems neat < 1546114539 429946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about eForth < 1546114545 966072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm also curious about Forths in general < 1546114547 621558 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://forthworks.com/forth/papers/compare.pdf < 1546114553 645195 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires the fewest primitives > 1546114565 632231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Gravity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58898&oldid=58879 5* 03Superstrijder15 5* (+150) 10/* Missing syntax info */ < 1546114585 736362 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/tehologist/forthkit/blob/master/forth.c i found an implementation here < 1546114617 108097 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful with expressions like "the fewest" here < 1546114683 238797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't think Underload translates directly to Forth, does it? < 1546114686 50928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the missing primitive is ^ < 1546114709 299553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd expect a minimized Forth to be somewhere around four primitives, maybe three or five < 1546114709 775342 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1546114939 503941 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pygmy.utoh.org/3ins4th.html < 1546115251 292708 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: almost certainly not. underload needs closures or dynamic memory allocation < 1546115272 734806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not if you omit * and a < 1546115278 517 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'd better try to translate something like br... something using a half-infinite tape < 1546115290 323907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of minimized Underload here < 1546115292 296385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of finitely many symbols < 1546115307 183730 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps two stacks, since forth has a separate call stack and data stack < 1546115316 945755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1546115343 688400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but even then you have to deal with () < 1546115356 847975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth already has dup, swap, drop; and you can emulate Underload's (…) via defining a word that pushes a specified sequence onto the stack, then using that word to represent the entire (…) construct < 1546115368 138925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of like Splinter but with a stack < 1546115382 535086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1546115399 297313 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does forth let you push a pointer to a function to the data stack? or do you emulate that by a jump table? < 1546115402 279390 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1546115406 20417 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean by an elseif chain < 1546115417 42269 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess forth probably does allow directly manipulating forth function pointesr < 1546115422 257613 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1546115425 478278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's low leve < 1546115438 191129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I said ^ is missing < 1546115469 9831 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an IOCCC entry with a small forth interpreter by the way < 1546115478 484695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Forth well enough to know whether there's, e.g., some trick you could do using immediate mode < 1546115487 203243 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1546115516 689087 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated, have you ever found a heuristic supporting that M:tG without Rotlung Reanimator is still TC? it probably is, but do we have a concrete suspicion on why? < 1546115531 105652 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I must have asked that several times already < 1546115652 847329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, you could just emulate two stacks and a finite control state by making some global variables, storing one stack on the call stack and one on the data stack, and temporarily putting the finite machine state to a global variable when you return to pop an entry from the call stack so that it knows where to continue from < 1546115667 689478 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets you translate any two-stack machine or one-tape TM < 1546115675 189036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, there may be a shortcut if you know forth well < 1546115690 37726 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course if you do that in practice, you may run out of space on one of the two stacks < 1546115712 465770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the The Waterfall Model construction uses Hungry Lynx for the /logic/, so Rotlung Reanimator is probably replaceable with something < 1546115733 14868 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Hungry Lynx < 1546115733 705918 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungry Lynx \ 1G \ Creature -- Cat \ 2/2 \ Cats you control have protection from Rats. (They can't be blocked, targeted, or dealt damage by Rats.) \ At the beginning of your end step, target opponent creates a 1/1 black Rat creature token with deathtouch. \ Whenever a Rat dies, put a +1/+1 counter on each Cat you control. \ C17-R < 1546115740 359823 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the card from the quote < 1546115744 910045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so surprised and excited when I saw Hungry Lynx was printed, it's as though someone inside Wizards had heard of the Turing machine project and decided to create the perfect card for it < 1546115750 176412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1546115788 682283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. it's the third ability that really helps, the first one has been printed a few times already. < 1546115805 992708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone had asked me for the precise wording of a trigger that would fill in all the missing gaps, I would have said "Whenever a «creature type» you control «dies/enters the battlefield», put a +1/+1 counter on each «other creature type» you control" < 1546115814 392628 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks, that does answer my question < 1546115825 289739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was a little surprised to see it actually printed on a card < 1546115862 431136 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-search coward < 1546115863 64314 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: card-search: not found < 1546115869 10225 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever is the command for that < 1546115872 511502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Boldwyr Intimidator < 1546115873 201800 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boldwyr Intimidator \ 5RR \ Creature -- Giant Warrior \ 5/5 \ Cowards can't block Warriors. \ {R}: Target creature becomes a Coward until end of turn. \ {2}{R}: Target creature becomes a Warrior until end of turn. \ FUT-U, MOR-U, CNS-U, DDS-U < 1546115889 140707 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep -Eli mtg/a bin < 1546115889 830317 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: bin: Is a directory < 1546115891 584912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep -Eli mtg/a bin/* < 1546115892 784598 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: bin/walcama: No such file or directory \ bin/card-by-name \ bin/random-card \ bin/scheme < 1546115899 41312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card coward < 1546115899 879357 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cowardice \ 3UU \ Enchantment \ Whenever a creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, return that creature to its owner's hand. (It won't be affected by the spell or ability.) \ MM-R, 8ED-R, 9ED-R < 1546115905 120362 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1546115906 380729 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card coward < 1546115907 214783 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cowardice \ 3UU \ Enchantment \ Whenever a creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, return that creature to its owner's hand. (It won't be affected by the spell or ability.) \ MM-R, 8ED-R, 9ED-R < 1546115909 724096 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1546115953 406568 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Boldwyr Imitator is the only one that mentions cowards, it seems < 1546116131 453960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were two cards, but in retrospect, the "Warrior" bit gives it away that it's in Morningtide (joke's on me, it's from Future Sight) < 1546116152 77640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in both apparently < 1546116159 72438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also conspiracy and a duel deck < 1546116172 97850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(conspiracy seems like a bit of a weird fit…) < 1546116251 431638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Assemble the Rank and Vile < 1546116252 177864 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assemble the Rank and Vile \ Conspiracy \ Hidden agenda (Start the game with this conspiracy face down in the command zone and secretly choose a card name. You may turn this conspiracy face up any time and reveal that name.) \ Creatures you control with the chosen name have "When this creature dies, you may pay {B}. If you do, create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token." \ CN2-C < 1546116272 944619 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the only card in conspiracy that does wierd programmable triggers :-) < 1546116301 929393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a whole theme of "choose a card name" and a trigger on that card name < 1546116323 615127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you may pay" is the sort of condition we've been trying to avoid in the TC construction for M:tG < 1546116324 398393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than that Mirrodin block triggered staff < 1546116327 824216 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1546116330 533869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what if the player doesn't? < 1546116331 282912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do that these days < 1546116366 899683 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently we can't really use < 1546116372 282702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Spellweaver Helix < 1546116372 948579 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spellweaver Helix \ 3 \ Artifact \ Imprint -- When Spellweaver Helix enters the battlefield, you may exile two target sorcery cards from a single graveyard. \ Whenever a player casts a card, if it has the same name as one of the cards exiled with Spellweaver Helix, you may copy the other. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. \ MRD-R < 1546116379 163638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :either, because it triggers on a spell being cast < 1546116389 612970 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense since they don't want even more easy infinite loops < 1546116408 429006 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even back when they made the infamous Mirrodin, they already knew that < 1546116421 997672 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stuff like Kiki-Jiki loops rarely slipped through < 1546116452 214558 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, if an old card fits the theme, they may be more forgiving about that sort of stuff < 1546116527 745251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the accidental gamebreaking infinite loops, have /all/ of them been copy effects where the copy refreshes the ability of the original card to use the copy effect? < 1546116545 475792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1546116548 424567 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been flicker effects < 1546116553 534933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiki-jiki/splinter twin + pestermite/deceiver exarch is of that form, so is saheeli rai + felidar guardian < 1546116556 257985 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the flicker refreshes the ability < 1546116563 670978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the ability is a copy ability < 1546116590 230965 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1546116594 571329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there somethign with just flicker? < 1546116610 865717 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :flicker plus something that etb with counters and generates, I dunno, mana from it? < 1546116623 586024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the flicker-based broken infinite loops I know, the flicker regenerates a copy effect that regenerates the flicker < 1546116632 713577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are infinite loops without a copy in but they aren't broken < 1546116649 297005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like kitchen finks + viscera seer + melira < 1546116666 658050 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1546116668 76858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was actually pretty fair, and although it was played in a top Modern deck it isn't the reason the deck was good < 1546116725 713362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one reason it's copy-based loops that tend to break things is that they normally only need two cards in the combo rather than three! < 1546116844 486192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also Half-Squirrel, Half-Pony but that wasn't in a tournament-legal set and got errata'd before it could break things (also it needed a third card to infinitely flicker) < 1546116855 18455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Half-Squirrel, Half- < 1546116855 717692 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-Squirrel, Half- \ Creature -- Squirrel \ -1/-0 \ Whenever a nontoken creature enters the battlefield, \ Augment {G} ({G}, Reveal this card from your hand: Combine it with target host. Augment only as a sorcery.) \ UST-U < 1546116861 231234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Ordinary Pony < 1546116862 4323 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordinary Pony \ 2W \ Host Creature -- Horse \ 2/3 \ When this creature enters the battlefield, you may exile target non-Horse creature you control that wasn't put onto the battlefield with this ability this turn, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. \ UST-C < 1546116922 406641 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1546117114 665909 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some infinite loops are simply made impractical by the high mana cost of a piece, like that of Mikaeus, the Unhallowed plus Bloodied Ghost plus a free sac outlet < 1546118052 962672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the "more efficient win condition" I found for Omni-Tell while working on the TC proof contains a 27-mana combo < 1546118060 992455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has unlimited resources at that point, so the cost doesn't really matter < 1546118073 316459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1546118088 391049 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for just starting an infinite loop, you don't that much mana < 1546120796 204380 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1546120837 743156 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1546121130 770472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dateu < 1546121131 899901 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018-12-29 22:05:31.418126946 +0000 UTC December 29 Saturday 2018-W52-6 < 1546122136 418441 :uplime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1546122762 735517 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1546122764 974803 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1546123430 25195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1546123542 243649 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :does someone know what links are there between algebraic effects and extensible effects? (@tell me if you may, gtg) < 1546123546 70112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :supermegacomics.com is down?! < 1546123612 705830 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546123641 445532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Is extensible effects the one based on free monads? < 1546123701 493845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546123846 405879 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1546123878 272031 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.191.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1546123898 662265 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1546124113 951665 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1546124792 843782 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1546124984 771027 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1546125621 868873 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcjpltykrbgmmx.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1546127439 87945 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a process for converting a cellular automata with >2 states to something with only 2 states? < 1546127608 422221 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: what are the other constraints, or how do you define cellular automatons < 1546127716 970883 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1546127720 485902 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume a 2D grid, assume each cell in the grid can be in some state, assume cells can transition from one state to another, assume cells transition based on the states of their neighbors in some defined neighborhood (von neumann or moore). < 1546127749 281803 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert a CA with cell states >2 into something with cell states = 2.