< 1549327400 600320 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric < 1549328608 80311 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wdkwgyxooldtygan QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1549331467 239892 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.7.203.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1549334594 464289 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks..
< 1549334625 69891 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a rare occurrence.) < 1549335754 311527 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your queue automata have states formatted like this: (state, symbol) -> (new state, [enqueue symbol/dequeue]) < 1549335788 684082 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :without 'keep', you have to add new symbols to your alphabet or new states in order to encode 'keep'. < 1549335852 778984 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can enqueue a throwaway symbol, swap to a state that seeks to that throwaway symbol, dequeue it and swap to a new state after the desired 'keep' operation. < 1549335981 718611 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :states for your queue automata still have to be a 5-tuple, too. < 1549336083 301508 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :(state, symbol, new state, new symbol, enqueue/dequeue). < 1549336356 13815 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you encode them as seperate instructions... (state, symbol, new state, [enqueue 0/enqueue 1/dequeue]) < 1549336375 762802 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty standard. < 1549336424 841091 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the automaton find out the result from dequeue < 1549336432 234621 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have (state, symbol, new state, [enqueue 0/enqueue 1/enqueue blank/dequeue]). < 1549336436 50181 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1549336463 339589 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the 'new symbol' field < 1549336479 940267 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :dequeue just throws away the top item in the queue. you already know what the item is because in order to execute the dequeue, you have to look at the top of the queue and your current state. < 1549336489 310624 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1549336497 437276 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1549336616 272184 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding a 'no-op' wouldn't be too terrible either. just roll the queue until you recognize the sequence, enqueue a blank, then seek to the blank, dequeue, and you're back where you were in a new state. < 1549336627 653418 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks...
< 1549336979 802824 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1549337117 853383 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/ON3X/text something like this. < 1549337169 860875 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :whup, line 11 is wrong. that first lone `1` should be replaced with a B. < 1549340408 568875 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks...
< 1549340647 882324 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still pre-occupied with the idea of the most aesthetically pleasing model of computation. I've been oscillating between queue automata and stock turing machines. < 1549340708 229571 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are essentially labeled transition systems with finite states. < 1549340724 358592 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus can be composed and stitched together fairly easily. > 1549343751 312722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59708&oldid=58023 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10Simplified my implementation > 1549353246 263564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Sifoobar 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Snigl logo.png10]]" > 1549353295 140127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Snigl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59710&oldid=58475 5* 03Sifoobar 5* (-48) 10 < 1549357772 959773 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1549360632 922682 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. i am reading a flight booking confirmation and stumble across this diamond: "Special Services: OXYGEN" < 1549360692 428459 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: as much as possible I like to make sure when I fly I have oxygen < 1549360749 319138 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there also is "AIRLINE SUPPLIED OXYGEN - pending" < 1549362493 725234 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1549364729 340222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1549364739 709987 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549366747 543617 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.7.203.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1549367207 776973 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1549367376 793200 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1549368374 466758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recommend extensions as you browse"... WTF, Firefox? < 1549368418 770191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting too close to "display relevant ads as you browse". < 1549368781 316682 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1549368973 107502 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when software tries to become too smart < 1549368974 845938 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1549369010 603516 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, MUAs tend to scan your mails for mentions of attachments and warns you if you don't have any < 1549369366 806230 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to like that, but then i got to work on debuggers, and warning for 'attach' became much less useful < 1549369514 124061 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate that almost as much as i hate messengers that make sent code unreadable by automatically converting text into emojis < 1549369543 107027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been saved by the attachment feature often enough that I don't particularly mind it. < 1549369556 145492 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is a borderline case. < 1549369649 79028 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just re-send it if it really matters < 1549369667 4854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing in favor of this feature is that it's not really smart (it's just looking for a fixed set of keywords) and it's not trying to get me to download or buy anything. < 1549369732 957376 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particular symptom is not that bad, yeah, but somehow it ended up being my goto example < 1549369776 737256 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also hate spell checkers < 1549369788 618442 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid pieces of shit < 1549369811 461314 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe more fundamentally, I don't have the impression that it's trying to make decisions on my behalf. This is in stark contrast to... suggesting extensions... ads... search suggestions... etc. < 1549371442 731754 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1549371458 64669 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1549374236 406124 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1549374893 849370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Analogia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59711 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+4983) 10about time I defined this and put it onto the wiki > 1549374911 55165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59712&oldid=59359 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+14) 10+[[Analogia]] > 1549374928 907472 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59713&oldid=59525 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+15) 10/* A */ +[[Analogia]] < 1549376167 968718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1549376590 511766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07David Madore14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59714&oldid=57645 5* 03B jonas 5* (+120) 10 < 1549378369 206178 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how Slack isn't plaintext < 1549378419 410182 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a messenging system designed for real work shouldn't require ``` ``` around code < 1549378515 614860 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried discord, slack, and hipchat, and all of them are inferior to IRC < 1549378864 479556 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about writing an irssi-like libpurple client to better work with slack < 1549379147 167824 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i need some meta-tabs, man < 1549379183 668834 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to use slack more often, but i absolutely cannot let it flood me with like a dozen channels per group < 1549379293 68321 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, why not have a toggle switch between "send this message plaintext" and "replace :pizza: with a picture of the ninja turtles or some shit" < 1549379438 984145 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am more okay with that way of replacing than the way msn/icq/skype/whatever other bastards do that < 1549379491 235897 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you cannot write i<8 without having an ice cream cone on the receiving end which might yield to something completely different than <8 if he copy&pastes it < 1549379510 706063 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slack replaces <3 with heart < 1549379634 791000 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when you copypaste that, you get :heart: < 1549379667 475416 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the actual heart emoji < 1549379975 713852 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sveopnqzjspigoxk JOIN :#esoteric > 1549380229 386397 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SORTA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59715&oldid=8568 5* 03B jonas 5* (+98) 10 < 1549380524 724193 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1549380600 937640 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: oh nice, I haven't seen that yet. I've seen :p and :D getting replaced by smilies, and anything with an @ sign in it getting replaced by (e-mail address obscured for your protection), both of which are great to mess up code. the first one is from mibbit web-irc, the second is from gnu.org's mailing list archives web interface. < 1549380691 855083 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there was that web-based form thing that evaluates a line of J on the server for you, but if the line has a less than sign followed by a letter anywhere, then it gives an error complaining something about how it stopped a cross-site html injectino or something < 1549381620 479710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dry < 1549381622 617369 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1549383576 738829 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1549384019 936800 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate C++ queue::pop < 1549384044 97927 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be named "drop", since it doesn't return the removed element < 1549384084 686775 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1549384156 443024 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: there's a reason why it doesn't return the removed element, a C++-specific one; and it shouldn't be called drop, pop is fine because it pops just the one topmost element, just like how std::deque::pop_front and std::deque::pop_back pops just the one front or back element resp. < 1549384190 166867 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop would do something with the whole stack, probably drop it to the floor so the elements end up getting all mixed up and you can't reconstruct the original order, like in that IOCCC submission < 1549384238 844268 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/years.html#2001_westley that is < 1549384265 663167 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't "pop" anything < 1549384271 913120 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it drops the removed element < 1549384287 927270 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to return it for it to be a "pop" < 1549384299 775111 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1549384308 957452 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pop because the top element is removed from the stack < 1549384339 949859 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a toaster that ejects the toast with such velocity that you can't catch it still counts as popping the toast, even if you don't get your toast nicely on your plate, but landing on the floor instead < 1549384359 275369 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those toasters might only exist in cartoons, but still) < 1549384394 727713 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even with a deck of cards a magician might pop the deck by making the top card fly away to the floor, and not catch it on a sword if that's not required for the trick < 1549384397 749652 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still popping < 1549384409 965417 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++'s usage of the word "pop" is inconsistent with every other language's native "pop" methods < 1549384434 247918 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: what every other language, and how many of those methods even existed before early forms of C++ containers? < 1549384494 526205 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use pop in the sense of discarding the top element at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Blindfolded_Arithmetic , but let me try to find a more independent source < 1549384511 388436 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for starters Lisp < 1549384521 590007 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does lisp have a pop method? < 1549384555 377720 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jtra.cz/stuff/lisp/sclr/pop.html < 1549384560 404279 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a car function to return the top element, and a cdr function for non-destructively discard the top element < 1549384589 929482 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop works on a cell < 1549384660 887263 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that macro in the HUGE cltl library https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node149.html is admittedly possibly older than C++ containers < 1549384680 440694 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look up TAOCP ch. 2 for how it uses pop < 1549384765 830863 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean forth uses DROP to mean, remove an element from the stack and discard it < 1549384777 671986 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth is definitely older than C++ < 1549384793 676879 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? it doesn't use "pop" in a different sense, does it? < 1549384801 841459 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the PDP-6 in 1964 had PUSH and POP instructions < 1549384817 175335 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :where POP specifically transfers a value to a register < 1549384817 464065 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: ok, now that's a better example < 1549384830 807241 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does 8086 admittedly < 1549384835 471784 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ARM < 1549384860 908657 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 gets closed but I think the pop instructions are called PL, where does that come from incidentally? < 1549384863 879972 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mnemonic < 1549384880 37903 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :PULL? < 1549384893 599300 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probaby pull < 1549384939 618542 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull? wow < 1549384976 166127 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be having a four-character instruction name lol < 1549384979 449153 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure about the ARM by the way, I don't recall its mnemonics) < 1549384988 257612 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: sure, but it could be PP or PO or something instead < 1549384999 973598 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH is good enough for push < 1549385151 752640 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually what they could have done to avoid the entire issue with copy cost and stuff is < 1549385154 665961 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth 2.2 is inconclusive, from a quick glance < 1549385181 919530 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have queue::pop() be remove an element < 1549385207 744454 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have queue::pop(&x) be remove and store it into x < 1549385232 397784 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than return < 1549385303 642349 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be totally consistent with assembly language usage of pop < 1549385334 577983 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also exception safe < 1549385427 776785 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: http://www.ioccc.org/1991/brnstnd.hint DJB's entry implements a stack-based esolang, the description says "d: drop (pop) top of i stack", as in the command "d" discards the top element < 1549385454 195024 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least some respectable people use "pop" that way too < 1549385471 409981 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :respectable people other than whoever made that part of the C++ stdlib that is < 1549385524 443311 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the description at https://esolangs.org/wiki/GolfScript also describes a command as "Pop, discard" > 1549385556 859789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Analogia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59716&oldid=59711 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10Surprisingly not policy < 1549385581 849241 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "pop" is just used both ways < 1549385923 643915 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549386278 136035 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1549387193 737597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Befunge-93 spec uses "pop" as the name of the $ "discard topmost element of stack" instruction. < 1549387197 632715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're in good company. < 1549387206 316385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, personally I've always called that instruction "drop". < 1549387265 864648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Funge-98 as well.) < 1549387276 870322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where "as well" means pop.) < 1549387326 68536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Once you pop, you can't stop > 1549388420 600503 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Analogia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59717&oldid=59716 5* 03Ais523 5* (+180) 10we can have circularity of the term being integrated, but not the term it's integrated with respect to (at least, as long as we want the language to stay deterministic and avoid values that never change because they have no reason to) < 1549388451 6053 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1549388659 387790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and many x87 FPU instructions have a "...P" variants that say they "pop" the register stack, meaning discarding the top element. > 1549390116 750859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ElemScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59718&oldid=59498 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+357) 10 < 1549390159 19565 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sveopnqzjspigoxk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1549390662 233721 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1549391345 714603 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dynpzaxkndaouzfn JOIN :#esoteric < 1549391678 18958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( programming is understanding negations. :P ) < 1549391871 808334 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1549391899 683834 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1549393809 356315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Analogia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59719 5* 03Ais523 5* (+583) 10/* Did I use the right derivative symbol? */ new section < 1549400672 224515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549400672 305145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1549400672 305220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1549400694 671361 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59720&oldid=51758 5* 03Orby 5* (+0) 10 < 1549402885 23285 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's something I could ask here < 1549402918 281080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently google is finally starting a site in Hungary with developers. there were plans for this like ten years ago already, but eventually they cancelled it. < 1549402943 651214 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are some people on this channel who work in google. can you comment on this thing? < 1549402994 14947 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1549402994 697160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect fizzie cannot comment on this thing. < 1549403060 38283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe someone else on the channel can < 1549403078 688693 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are, I think, three or four people working at google here, I just don't recall who exactly < 1549403114 538870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I suspect that people working at Google cannot comment on that kind of thing publicly. < 1549403125 809986 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1549403137 961219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see < 1549403486 440450 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to work at google < 1549403503 984118 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :commenting on things was generally a big no-no < 1549403509 650673 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: I see < 1549403517 353390 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the team whose job it is to do so < 1549403536 242014 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(commenting on things publicly, that is) < 1549403610 759576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i the team whose job it is to do the big no-nos < 1549403627 642563 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that team is the marketing team? < 1549403732 445913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's teams with names like communications or public relations or investor relations or something. And I guess also marketing, but I doubt they'd talk about offices. < 1549403764 150433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"investor relations"? I'm not an investor, but sure < 1549403767 42896 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :press, also < 1549403773 751941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used to work at Google but I don't really know any specifics about these things other than that they exist. < 1549403786 631357 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of divisions by the way < 1549403809 664152 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall being told many times that a reporter asks you to talk about anything, decline to comment and direct them to press@google.com < 1549403820 98542 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1549403822 137799 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know you’re not a reporter either, but) < 1549404025 602434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You could be an investor if you wanted to. < 1549404058 691789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some small amount of exposure to GOOG, I guess, though I don't own any directly. < 1549404109 116735 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's true, I could be an investor indirectly by buying funds backed by the stock market < 1549404521 174437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wouldn't be supposed to comment, if I knew anything, which I don't. < 1549404538 968755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1549404545 165201 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since you don't know anything, you can comment? < 1549404560 271379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not knowing anything is in fact a comment. < 1549404567 645559 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1549404583 518539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a bit of a comment. < 1549404603 562612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was probably supposed to say that I can neither confirm nor deny, which would be equally true. < 1549404640 531949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i I can neither confirm nor deny, nor not confirm nor deny. < 1549404673 459748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one reason why I shouldn't comment is that it would be material nonpublic information, and telling it to anyone could constitute tipping. (I had the occasion to read our insider trading policy recently.) < 1549404696 865974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, insider trading laws in Europe are pretty different from in the US. < 1549404703 239782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're probably bound by both. < 1549404741 552574 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no clue how insider trading laws work at all, anywhere < 1549404757 937235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta read Money Stuff < 1549404759 86452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. The existence of an Insider Trading Policy is public, by the way -- it's section 3 of https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ < 1549404785 656416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are some laws for insider trading: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-08-12/the-10-laws-of-insider-trading < 1549404814 86832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Law #1, don't do it, is probably the most important one to know, but the others are pretty relevant too. < 1549404849 911963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you didn’t insider trade, don’t forget and accidentally confess to insider trading." < 1549404857 275383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty reasonable. < 1549404865 887814 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :best thing about leaving google: no more blackout windows < 1549404922 490909 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the existence of which is also public, buried in the above insider trading policy) < 1549404948 714806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blackout windows are useful when you want to sleep during the daytime. < 1549404966 92377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: presumably those can be seen from public streets < 1549404981 320613 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1549404983 766372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of them was the #1 complaint from university visitors in the summertime in Finland. < 1549404985 784457 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a blackout window mean? < 1549404991 830418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: (A blackout window is a time period that you're not allowed to trade Google stock during.) < 1549405004 925623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an awkward sentence. < 1549405005 462737 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1549405009 40689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different < 1549405026 711159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I mean Alphabet. < 1549405029 539862 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case they probably can't be seen from public streets, despite that other windows usually can < 1549405054 214036 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s not a google (or alphabet) specific term < 1549405226 518058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and other blackouts usually can) < 1549406388 701351 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1549407513 168346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sad about sourcereal going down so I'm rehosting it at http://sour-cereal.com/ < 1549407698 594932 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1549407885 704536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: great! < 1549407910 181155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should download more valuable websites to potentially be able to do this -- not necessarily host them, but also give the backup to someone else who hosts it < 1549407923 731158 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I have too few downloaded, and most of them are out of date too > 1549407928 384517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BradensEsolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59721&oldid=58697 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+33) 10 < 1549407933 431166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of candidates for what to download < 1549407936 146666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1549407947 790742 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a few that I should download and reformat and host or distribute in a saner format < 1549407964 28777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded someone's website recently after he died. :-( < 1549407974 630501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm keeping a copy just in case, because it's full of interesting things. < 1549407986 384021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it's still up. < 1549408640 790883 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1549409562 765379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1549410169 907398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1549410454 235874 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1549410560 910277 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1549410589 936004 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life