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< 1552180413 654563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: c strings are kind of scow, don't you think
< 1552180554 85908 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1552180652 330494 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very
< 1552180655 683587 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hi shachaf 
< 1552180722 68320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :higan mchelloister
< 1552180768 842380 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1552180978 150872 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well yeah
< 1552181009 187486 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I forget how fortran handles strings
< 1552181027 740354 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but i vaguly recall them being better
< 1552181069 617353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fortran even have strings?
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< 1552181184 727629 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1552181263 490416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, it's usually fixed-maximum-length things.
< 1552181263 702271 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are bounds checked
> 1552181268 821696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Interfrac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60364&oldid=60356 5* 03Ais523 5* (+677) 10mention our computational class conclusions
< 1552181310 970712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if COBOL has strings
< 1552181320 54498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it does for things like employee names
< 1552181345 48703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL is basically SQL except it's trying to be a complete programming language and isn't as declarative
< 1552181462 204087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal strings are the famous kind, with a prefix byte for length.
< 1552181506 339634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think later that's called a ShortString.
< 1552181549 363941 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ideal prefix size is a 24 bit integer
< 1552181570 92524 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad modern processors don't have support for those
< 1552181609 527104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the correct alignment for one of those, anyway? first byte falls on a 32-byte boundary?
< 1552181638 62260 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 24 bits = 3 bytes
< 1552181638 675869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it's one of the best arguments for little-endian storage that I've heard (as that would then let you do all computations on 24-bit integers, other than writing them to memory, using 32-bit primitives)
< 1552181657 107464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly some C compilers use the name "short long int" for a 24-bit integer
< 1552181678 93758 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean on a 6502, you do any length integer by using ADC
< 1552181687 918580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 is an 8-bit processor
< 1552181691 58337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has adc too, I think
< 1552181702 525363 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, who would know.
< 1552181704 951600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's rarely used because normally your integers aren't large enough to need to split them up over separate instructions
< 1552181708 849972 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manual is fcking huge 
< 1552181725 104803 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC ftw
< 1552181763 942995 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x86 has adc then that is the best way to do bigint
< 1552181779 648286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C strings are used even in stuff other than C
< 1552181784 387049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, recently came across a blog post that had some microbenchmarks suggesting on recent x86-64 processors (let's say anything Sandy Bridge onwards), unaligned memory access no longer has a performance penalty.
< 1552181817 178928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for sequential access.
< 1552181828 625237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does x86-64 have fast endianness conversion? (What I know is that MMIX does, but I don't know if x86 does.)
< 1552181842 942544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For random access, presumably it still makes it more likely to straddle two cache lines.)
< 1552181848 993024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also don't know if RISC-V has)
< 1552181861 434480 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow x86-64 DOES havs an adc instruction
< 1552181870 214231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess that's technically "infinitely more likely", since aligned access never will.)
< 1552181873 964201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it has an adc.
< 1552181879 444084 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADC r64, r/m64
< 1552181883 952326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '__int128_t f(__int128_t a, __int128_t b) { return a+b; }' | gcc -S -o /dev/stdout -x c /dev/stdin | fgrep -v '.'
< 1552181887 539614 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :f: \ 	pushq	%rbp \ 	movq	%rsp, %rbp \ 	pushq	%rbx \ 	movq	%rdi, %rax \ 	movq	%rsi, %r8 \ 	movq	%rax, %rsi \ 	movq	%rdx, %rdi \ 	movq	%r8, %rdi \ 	movq	%rsi, -32(%rbp) \ 	movq	%rdi, -24(%rbp) \ 	movq	%rdx, -48(%rbp) \ 	movq	%rcx, -40(%rbp) \ 	movq	-32(%rbp), %rcx \ 	movq	-24(%rbp), %rbx \ 	movq	-48(%rbp), %rax \ 	movq	-40(%rbp), %rdx \ 	addq	%rcx, %rax \ 	adcq	%rbx, %rdx \ 	popq	%rbx \ 	popq	%rbp \ 	ret
< 1552181912 201635 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicet 
< 1552181914 35484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers even generate it
< 1552181922 423677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although all the spilling going on there is /really/ suspicious)
< 1552181925 550486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, stick some optimization flags in there.
< 1552181928 31622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot to use optimization flags
< 1552181942 490381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '__int128_t f(__int128_t a, __int128_t b) { return a+b; }' | gcc -S -O3 -o /dev/stdout -x c /dev/stdin | fgrep -v '.'
< 1552181943 860754 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :f: \ 	movq	%rdi, %r9 \ 	movq	%rsi, %r10 \ 	addq	%rdx, %r9 \ 	adcq	%rcx, %r10 \ 	movq	%r9, %rax \ 	movq	%r10, %rdx \ 	ret
< 1552181947 100334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1552181967 391768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be even better if this IRC client formatted it without inverse-I tabs.
< 1552181990 655365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '__int128_t f(__int128_t a, __int128_t b) { return a+b; }' | gcc -S -O3 -o /dev/stdout -x c /dev/stdin | fgrep -v '.' | perl -pe 's/\s+/ /g'
< 1552181991 634236 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :f:  movq %rdi, %r9  movq %rsi, %r10  addq %rdx, %r9  adcq %rcx, %r10  movq %r9, %rax  movq %r10, %rdx  ret
< 1552182006 15920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it's possible in five?
< 1552182020 723204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no, I see
< 1552182039 80665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%rdx is the LSD of the input, but the MSD of the output
< 1552182046 176482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do need six instructions
< 1552182066 927806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably gcc is using %r9 and %r10 as temporaries because they're caller-saved
< 1552182134 774918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, GCC accepts - for /dev/std{in,out}.
< 1552182151 606309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, clang can do it in four
< 1552182158 316200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by overwriting the input arguments, I should have thought of that
< 1552182189 857823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '__int128_t f(__int128_t a, __int128_t b) { return a+b; }' | clang -S -O3 -o /dev/stdout -x c /dev/stdin | fgrep -v '.'
< 1552182190 605876 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: clang: command not found
< 1552182202 527652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't installed it there.
< 1552182214 647545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`
< 1552182215 313405 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${1-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl
< 1552182219 94805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Clang is okay with dashes as well.)
< 1552182222 919779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/``
< 1552182223 569146 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl
< 1552182244 745555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are nicely divergent.
< 1552182252 769946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does rnooodl do, anyway
< 1552182269 536414 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "noodl"
< 1552182270 379936 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodl
< 1552182272 171373 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "noodl"
< 1552182272 961107 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodl
< 1552182276 381561 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "nooooodl"
< 1552182277 60968 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooodl
< 1552182279 176873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randomizes the number of "o"s in that nick, I think? 
< 1552182281 824529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something silly like that.
< 1552182283 713214 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "nooo0oodl"
< 1552182284 523658 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo0oodl
< 1552182291 978023 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "nooodl"
< 1552182292 732900 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooodl
< 1552182295 822865 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "nooodl"
< 1552182296 500574 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooodl
< 1552182300 402985 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1552182337 904001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fundamental difference is that ``` uses a subshell, `` uses an eval
< 1552182359 245703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure offhand why this difference would matter, though
< 1552182370 529303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is a few other difference too, such as ``` specifying the C locale, and `` specifying a different timer format
< 1552182379 404580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but those aren't fundamental
< 1552182390 835195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $LANG
< 1552182391 516832 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8
< 1552182400 96326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I put in ``` (without rnooodl) in order that it would set the C locale.)
< 1552182402 877722 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1552182407 567420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1552182435 12961 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8 is an oddly specific choice.
< 1552182446 399703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was there to serve as a talking point?
< 1552182448 969840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As with everything on that bot, it's a kind of joke.
< 1552182462 649434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've propagated it forward from Gregor.
< 1552182465 614307 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay granted, it _is_ HackEgo.
< 1552182477 635501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many strings even differ in en_NZ?
< 1552182498 233041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of packages that even bother to give different spellings for English variants tend to concentrate on en_US and en_GB
< 1552182506 581891 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time
< 1552182507 319744 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m0.001s, user: 0m0.000s, sys: 0m0.000s
< 1552182513 841535 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date
< 1552182514 540274 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Mar 10 01:48:34 UTC 2019
< 1552182521 515145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` time sleep 1
< 1552182523 369869 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m1.027s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.020s
< 1552182544 666863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time sleep 10
< 1552182567 349115 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect 99% of the time it's just falling back to C.
< 1552182580 949600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it'll fall back within the en family
< 1552182587 87027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=C has some very distinctive messages
< 1552182590 71501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TIMEFORMAT is there to avoid hard tabs in the output.
< 1552182599 278815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /nonexistent
< 1552182600 289527 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access '/nonexistent': No such file or directory
< 1552182604 515203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls /nonexistent
< 1552182609 191773 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access '/nonexistent': No such file or directory
< 1552182614 380666 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 1m8.856s, user: 0m0.000s, sys: 0m0.020s
< 1552182630 21443 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is glibc doing silly things with its C locale messages?
< 1552182630 331052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an odd result from sleep 10.
< 1552182632 985753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, LANG=C has become more verbose since last time I looked
< 1552182635 855371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed
< 1552182646 844130 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would't it be better to just have an filter that tgranslates all tabs to something
< 1552182661 901936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could translate them to →
< 1552182663 229584 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no particular reason to have its strings distinct from en_US -- the specific contents of the strings in the C locale aren't specified.
< 1552182684 981671 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :␉
< 1552182722 783228 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unicode control char symbols are
< 1552182723 648850 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number formatting is specified, some details of its charset are specified, etc. but the strings are not.
< 1552182727 100210 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏
< 1552182727 874730 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :␐␑␒␓␔␕␖␗␘␙␚␛␜␝␞␟
< 1552182745 920098 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could have a filter that does all of them
< 1552182752 30271 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it'd be valid (if silly) for the errno strings to just be the errno macro.
< 1552182766 865176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well aware of the Unicode control char symbols, I've written enough programs with nonprintables in on PPCG
< 1552182780 531314 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But using en_US is probably the saner choice.
< 1552182794 358192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ideally they should be specified, the main purpose of the C locale should be to be machine-readable
< 1552182805 744640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as humans will prefer a different locale for human-readable messages, but machines like consistency)
< 1552182819 868106 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but POSIX underspecifies a lot of things.
< 1552182845 97255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "error 2" would be more useful than just stealing a message from English
< 1552182891 321101 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1552182907 906408 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how cal(1) has to handle the switch from Julian to Gregorian happening in 1752, but doesn't bother even saying _what the output should look like_.
< 1552182916 994748 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tab sybol on keyboards is ↹
< 1552182938 296970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vertical tab is ⭿
< 1552182946 549144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ais523: Pidgin has en_NZ specific messages on my system, though looks like the only thing in there is "Authorize" → "Authorise".
< 1552182956 716746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where did that # come from?)
< 1552182968 358316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hashtag #ais523
< 1552182998 347730 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shit, POSIX doesn't even make real requirements about what error messages should be output by utilities at all.
< 1552183050 38223 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think ls is actually required to output a message when it errors out.
< 1552183077 284289 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait: "If the file specified is not found, a diagnostic message shall be output on standard error."
< 1552183081 960872 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have to output an error.
< 1552183097 929184 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Past that though, nah.
< 1552183169 806890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's also en_NZ/LC_MESSAGES/avahi.mo, where the changes are "Initializing..." → "Initialising..." and "Canceled." → "Cancelled."
< 1552183192 190054 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -pe 'tr/\0-\037/␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏␐␑␒␓␔␕␖␗␘␙␚␛␜␝␞␟/' <$'\n\t\b\r\e'
< 1552183192 933209 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5:  \ 	
< 1552183211 78563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if NZ users actually set LANGUAGE=en_NZ:en_GB:en.
< 1552183223 577548 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that even work?
< 1552183237 575401 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -pe 'tr/\0-\037/␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏␐␑␒␓␔␕␖␗␘␙␚␛␜␝␞␟/' <<$'\n\t\b\r\e'
< 1552183238 342189 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: warning: here-document at line 5 delimited by end-of-file (wanted ` \ 	
< 1552183244 185903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For GNU gettext and LANGUAGE, I think it should.
< 1552183244 353449 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, it does.
< 1552183245 11017 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -pe 'tr/\0-\037/␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏␐␑␒␓␔␕␖␗␘␙␚␛␜␝␞␟/' <<<$'\n\t\b\r\e'
< 1552183245 771755 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�ₐ�
< 1552183251 304766 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap
< 1552183259 404321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only the LANG and LC_* environment variables that don't do that sort of thing.
< 1552183259 526158 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGUAGE is a GNU gettext thing, not a C locale thing. Okay.
< 1552183279 978639 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if musl gettext handles that case
< 1552183297 7328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be other tools than just gettext that also respect it.
< 1552183300 243059 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did that a come from
< 1552183394 517465 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -mutf8 -pe 'tr/\0-\037/␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏␐␑␒␓␔␕␖␗␘␙␚␛␜␝␞␟/' <<<$'\n\t\b\r\e'
< 1552183395 340693 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�ₐ�
< 1552183403 374260 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1552183428 900181 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -Mutf8 -pe 'tr/\0-\037/␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏␐␑␒␓␔␕␖␗␘␙␚␛␜␝␞␟/' <<<$'\n\t\b\r\e'
< 1552183429 747818 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wide character in print at -e line 1, <> line 1. \ Wide character in print at -e line 1, <> line 2. \ ␊␉␈␍␛␊
< 1552183436 268468 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1552183627 46931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're probably looking for the -C7 option. But it doesn't work with that either, for some reason.
< 1552183648 788019 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -CS -Mutf8 -pe 'tr/\0-\037/␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏␐␑␒␓␔␕␖␗␘␙␚␛␜␝␞␟/' <<<$'\n\t\b\r\e'
< 1552183648 928124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: apparently "#ais523" pings me
< 1552183649 569260 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​␊␉␈␍␛␊
< 1552183653 298534 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1552183665 902454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that may be because I have my pings set up to ping me on "ais523" even when I'm using a different nick
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> 1552185537 149363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60365&oldid=60347 5* 03A 5* (+720) 10/* Implementation */
> 1552185627 732703 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60366&oldid=60365 5* 03A 5* (+21) 10
< 1552185803 118389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If making the compiler that can compile a C code into a Glulx code, there is a few thing being noted, including that Glk functions that require C strings as input, in Glulx are required to start with a type byte. However, as far as I can tell all of the Glk functions that can use a string can also use a address and length instead, so the calls could be converted.
< 1552185817 705668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only exception seems to be glk_fileref_create_by_name().
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> 1552186372 648274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60367&oldid=60366 5* 03A 5* (+851) 10/* Examples in the "standard" derivative:(3,4) */
> 1552186415 504848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60368&oldid=60367 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10/* Hello World! program in Bucket in integers (derivative (1,119)) */
> 1552186490 705348 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60369&oldid=60087 5* 03A 5* (+834) 10/* BSoD */
> 1552186652 969442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60370&oldid=60368 5* 03A 5* (-19) 10/* Implementation */
> 1552186935 49554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60371&oldid=60370 5* 03A 5* (+173) 10/* Implementation */
> 1552186943 936213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60372&oldid=60371 5* 03A 5* (-31) 10/* Implementation */
> 1552187530 50139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60373&oldid=60350 5* 03A 5* (+439) 10I have more ideas based on dc.
> 1552187818 292188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60374&oldid=60373 5* 03A 5* (+611) 10/* Commands */
> 1552187984 789486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60375&oldid=60374 5* 03A 5* (+148) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188150 785969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60376&oldid=60375 5* 03A 5* (+218) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188222 698504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60377&oldid=60376 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Overlapping commands
> 1552188254 852557 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60378&oldid=60377 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188347 726581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60379&oldid=60378 5* 03A 5* (+88) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188465 447531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60380&oldid=60379 5* 03A 5* (+106) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188529 87163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Toadskin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60381&oldid=34112 5* 03Camto 5* (+194) 10TC with unbounded cells?
> 1552188557 251632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60382&oldid=60380 5* 03A 5* (+39) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188574 881277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Camto14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60383&oldid=58316 5* 03Camto 5* (-50) 10
> 1552188620 262343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Camto14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60384&oldid=60383 5* 03Camto 5* (+1) 10Heh
> 1552188665 525531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60385&oldid=60382 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188741 272347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60386&oldid=60385 5* 03A 5* (+1538) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188793 571571 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60387&oldid=60386 5* 03A 5* (-1538) 10Messed up with the table
> 1552188825 976696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60388&oldid=60387 5* 03A 5* (-130) 10/* Commands */
> 1552188869 367483 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60389&oldid=60388 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */
> 1552189067 132588 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Toadskin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60390&oldid=60381 5* 03Camto 5* (+159) 10Fix
> 1552189175 803914 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60391&oldid=60389 5* 03A 5* (+454) 10/* Commands */
> 1552189238 883656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073 cell Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60392 5* 03Camto 5* (+60) 10Page redirect for TC proof of 3 unbounded cells in BF.
> 1552189287 103822 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Toadskin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60393&oldid=60390 5* 03Camto 5* (-99) 10Use redirect page
> 1552189403 527502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Toadskin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60394&oldid=60393 5* 03Camto 5* (+88) 10Accidental deletion.
> 1552189553 639316 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60395&oldid=60391 5* 03A 5* (+78) 10/* Commands */
> 1552189740 380954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60396&oldid=60395 5* 03A 5* (+187) 10/* Commands */
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> 1552190519 996144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60397&oldid=60396 5* 03A 5* (+363) 10/* Commands */
> 1552190522 848369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Camto14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60398&oldid=60384 5* 03Camto 5* (+144) 10Add Underload.
< 1552190687 477699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If some titles use roman numbers, what sort keys will you use? It might sort in alphabetical order by itself, but once you reach nine or if you have fractions, then alphabetical order won't work.
< 1552190749 919846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1552190750 333052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1552190750 913094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
> 1552190808 666847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60399&oldid=60372 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10
> 1552190825 860700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60400&oldid=60399 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10/* Compugtational Class */
> 1552190834 278778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60401&oldid=60400 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Computational Class */
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< 1552191335 221369 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do roman fractions work?
< 1552191337 121549 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf 
< 1552191359 554020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A dot represents one twelvth and "S" represents one half.
< 1552191368 202258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Subtractive notation is not used with fractions.)
< 1552191522 337052 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we are betting on user accounts by the same person, I'm voting A == Cortex, and A != areallycoolusername. Evidence in favour: "(for lack of a better term) Unicode/ASCII" text in ALLSCII and Hexomnia, by different users, and a general confusion of the standards by 'both' users. Also, I seem to occasionally get areallycoolusername's humour, but not the others, they feel different.
< 1552191702 264491 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A's nomination of Bitch feels in good faith though, pretty confident they are very different users. I can't make sense of the TC proof, it shouldn't be to hard to prove either way. Unbounded value in the accumulator is almost like a tape, but the shifting complicates quite a bit. The original creator wrote "Probably not TC" I believe. 
> 1552191752 356973 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60402&oldid=60401 5* 03A 5* (+85) 10/* Implementation */
> 1552191986 911461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60403&oldid=60402 5* 03A 5* (+82) 10
> 1552192060 614170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SWhoopieenddns14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60404 5* 03Camto 5* (+849) 10The spec so far.
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> 1552192286 350683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SWhoopieenddns14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60405&oldid=60404 5* 03Camto 5* (-2) 10
> 1552192380 409846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60406&oldid=60397 5* 03A 5* (+316) 10/* Commands */
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> 1552192526 722996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60407&oldid=60406 5* 03A 5* (+53) 10/* Commands */
> 1552192617 865932 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60408&oldid=60407 5* 03A 5* (+203) 10/* Commands */
> 1552192841 994051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60409&oldid=60408 5* 03A 5* (+231) 10/* Commands */
> 1552193171 168817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60410&oldid=60409 5* 03A 5* (+70) 10/* Commands */
> 1552193549 277083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60411&oldid=60410 5* 03A 5* (-33) 10/* Commands */
> 1552193603 937873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60412&oldid=60411 5* 03A 5* (+45) 10/* Commands */
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> 1552198645 973369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60413 5* 03A 5* (+724) 10Created page with "[[Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator]] is heavily influenced by the UNIX utility "Desktop Calculator". The only difference is that it adds input to make more programs possible..."
> 1552198692 327162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60414&oldid=60413 5* 03A 5* (+13671) 10
> 1552198777 823096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60415&oldid=60414 5* 03A 5* (+43) 10
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> 1552198901 519421 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60416&oldid=60415 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Examples */
> 1552199008 279312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60417&oldid=60416 5* 03A 5* (+170) 10/* Examples */
> 1552200123 471320 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60418&oldid=60417 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Examples */
> 1552200135 604071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60419&oldid=60418 5* 03A 5* (-7) 10/* Examples */
> 1552200143 245585 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60420&oldid=60419 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Increment by 1 */
> 1552200603 4218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60421&oldid=60420 5* 03A 5* (-80) 10
< 1552200691 118610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will IBM release the PC BIOS as free software? The source code can already be found in a book, at least.
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> 1552202624 14629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60422 5* 03A 5* (+736) 10Created page with "[[Bitwise Scanner]] is a bitwise language created by [[User:A]]. It is based on scanning a bitwise array. =What happens when binary numbers are incremented= <pre> 000->001 001..."
> 1552202658 902041 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60423&oldid=60422 5* 03A 5* (-151) 10/* What happens when binary numbers are incremented */
> 1552202802 105501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60424&oldid=60423 5* 03A 5* (+93) 10
< 1552202928 445239 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<pikhq> Heck, it'd be valid (if silly) for the errno strings to just be the errno macro." => it wouldn't be silly. it would actually be useful. it's difficult to figure out what errno code localized strerror messages stand for.
< 1552202988 905002 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for English messages it's not so obvious. I even have an old list http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/errno to be able to search the C locale messages from glibc
< 1552202993 308428 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets worse on windows.
> 1552203021 136343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60425&oldid=60424 5* 03A 5* (+394) 10/* What happens when binary numbers are incremented */
> 1552203144 103348 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60426&oldid=60425 5* 03A 5* (+57) 10/* What happens when binary numbers are decremented */
< 1552203186 247796 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple fallback locales in LANGUAGE => oh nice! I wanted something like that for TERM back a decade ago when older systems didn't have the rxvt-unicode terminfo installed, or only had it installed in my homedir so setuid programs couldn't use it.
> 1552203276 225655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60427&oldid=60426 5* 03A 5* (+59) 10/* What happens when binary numbers are decremented */
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> 1552203559 457184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60430&oldid=60429 5* 03A 5* (-73) 10/* Computational Class */
> 1552203608 659700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60431&oldid=60430 5* 03A 5* (+58) 10/* Computational Class */
> 1552203701 645513 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60432&oldid=60431 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10
> 1552203736 59702 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60433&oldid=60432 5* 03A 5* (+41) 10
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> 1552205288 24422 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60435&oldid=60434 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10/* Commands */
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< 1552206423 594710 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to read arbitrary character input in Fueue
< 1552206428 847337 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let 'a' be a code snippet, 'b' be the result of that snippet after 1 iteration, 'c' be after 2 iterations, etc.
< 1552206432 558589 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, if 'A' is a code snippet, then 'B' is the next iteration.
< 1552206436 571401 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic idea is that the construct [[*A])[a!]])$ will read an input (say 5)
< 1552206442 389844 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then evaluate to edcbaB, where the number of repetitions of 'a' is equal to the input
< 1552206447 199365 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, how do we pick values for 'A' and 'a' so that that we can turn `edcbaB` back into the input number?
< 1552206451 524089 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the '*' isn't important, by the way; it can be replaced with any item because it gets deleted immediately)
< 1552206456 111221 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only example given on the wiki page that uses input is the truth machine, but that only has to distinguish between 2 values
< 1552206498 159001 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We want 'a' to be something that's relatively stable because we don't know how many times it's going to be evaluated
< 1552206820 120273 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no, the construct is [[*A])[a!])])$
< 1552206829 272702 :reconcyl!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an extra ')' in there
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> 1552210809 452968 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Phone call14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60436 5* 03A 5* (+155) 10Created page with "[[Phone call]] is a minimalist programming language that uses the character set possible to enter in a phone call. [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:2019]]"
> 1552210855 385228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03A 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Phone dial.JPG10]]": This file is used as an example for a phone dial.
> 1552211044 397130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Phone call14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60438&oldid=60436 5* 03A 5* (+128) 10
> 1552211303 169703 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Phone call14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60439&oldid=60438 5* 03A 5* (+195) 10
> 1552211436 560025 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Phone call14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60440&oldid=60439 5* 03A 5* (+75) 10/* Commands */
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< 1552212549 757109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we put http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck to the http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Brainfuck_equivalents ?
< 1552213010 418977 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1552213556 216758 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ALLSCI is a Cortex language that A is finishing, so 'for lack of a better term' is all Cortex. It's too confusing. I still think neither of them are a reallycoolusername.
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> 1552216515 758444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60442&oldid=60359 5* 03Zesterer 5* (+16) 10Added Hanoifuck
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> 1552222511 204045 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Thue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60443&oldid=60214 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */  Wayback link to Safalra's Thue pages
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> 1552228199 902583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60444&oldid=60435 5* 03A 5* (+11) 10Simplify the syntax
> 1552228225 870864 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60445&oldid=60444 5* 03A 5* (+32) 10/* Commands */
> 1552228272 861000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Scanner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60446&oldid=60445 5* 03A 5* (+19) 10/* Computational Class */
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> 1552228530 93659 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60447&oldid=60403 5* 03A 5* (-23) 10/* Commands */
> 1552228557 274817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60448&oldid=60447 5* 03A 5* (-166) 10/* Implementation(s) */
> 1552228574 334193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bucket14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60449&oldid=60448 5* 03A 5* (-93) 10/* Computational class */
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< 1552233254 344949 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190310.html
< 1552233255 392922 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190310.html: b_jonas
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< 1552241729 948269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea if each command executed is erased, but the program is initially tiled into the infinite plane so that you will not run out.
> 1552245530 219423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BradensEsolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60451&oldid=59778 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+8) 10fixed
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< 1552248234 786556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Even though I don't have an antenna for that RTL-SDR stick, I managed to catch a beacon with it by plugging it to the TV aerial here: http://www.gb3vhf.co.uk/GB3UHFhome.html -- I guess the 70cm amateur radio band is pretty close to DVB-T broadcasts.
< 1552248247 382912 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1552248269 639041 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know 70cm even has beacons
< 1552248276 841002 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here I would listen to a repeater and wait for it to ident
< 1552248308 693767 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile I'm trying to decode digital modes on HF using the little shortwave radio i bought yesterday at the flea market
< 1552248734 901144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 3e8%0.70 NB. 70 cm? what's that in frequency?
< 1552248735 565951 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4.28571e8
< 1552248750 406319 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :428 megahertz
< 1552248940 845263 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the 70 cm ham band is 430-440 in the UK, and 420-450 in murca
< 1552248947 368057 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ITU regions 1 and 2 resp.)
< 1552248949 244407 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/70-centimeter_band
< 1552248960 536545 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Band%20Chart%20-%2011X17%20Color.pdf
< 1552248966 339929 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also known as UHF
< 1552248990 960031 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very popular for local communication
< 1552249012 103221 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those cheap baofeng handhelds everyone buys / complains about do 70 cm as well as 2 m (VHF, 144-147)
< 1552249030 733901 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some also do 1.25 m (222-225) but that's much less popular
< 1552249075 713604 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most areas have plenty of repeaters on 2m and 70cm
< 1552249081 187865 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a repeater you can easily go 100 miles
< 1552249104 292275 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHF/UHF depends a whole lot on location. line of sight is key
< 1552249116 391654 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeaters are on top of mountains which is why they're so effective (plus better antenna and hardware and more power)
< 1552249152 819174 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not using a repeater your range will vary from less than a mile, up to 50+ miles if you're both on top of tall hills
< 1552249163 545713 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wife and I made a 28 mile contact: https://i.imgur.com/eLhLWBJ.png
< 1552249171 541918 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a 5W handheld and a 50W mobile (car) radio
< 1552249183 267023 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on top of a hill and as you can see, there were almost no obstructions
< 1552249296 411749 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the consumer stuff like FRS, GMRS, and PMR446 are near the 70cm ham band
> 1552249298 666964 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Reverse-Polish-notation Calculator10]]": Copyright violation: page is mostly copied from a GPL source
< 1552249299 701529 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MURS is near the 2m band
< 1552249310 628650 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are newer radios which use 900 MHz and digital modes
< 1552249326 193173 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can get ok range with part 15 digital radio on 900
< 1552249342 231611 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CB is much lower frequency, 27 MHz / 11 meters
< 1552249349 866786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, line of sight is part of why people use a large antenna 
< 1552249351 783975 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result you need much longer antennas
< 1552249365 6352 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is why it's mainly a vehicle as opposed to handheld thing
< 1552249398 929362 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, the CB power limit is very low. many people use illegal amplifiers, which are generally of poor quality and cause all kinds of interference
< 1552249416 871192 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho CB is declining in popularity now that there's LTE coverage along pretty much the whole US interstate network
< 1552250105 529166 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 300 repeaters from all over northern California programmed into my handheld
< 1552250124 480786 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of them are active, I don't know
< 1552250132 401027 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fair number
< 1552250146 886482 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't talk much, but I listen, and it would be good to have in an emergency
< 1552250254 47015 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can also use a directional antenna to get better signal for the same radio power
< 1552250270 150010 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I built a directional 2m antenna out of bits of tape measure
< 1552250285 554562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sure, people use that for all sorts of high bandwidth wireless digital internet connections
< 1552250313 142831 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good choice for direction finding http://theleggios.net/wb2hol/projects/rdf/tape_bm.htm
< 1552250313 249431 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both long distance between two mountains or tall buildings, and short distance with a pair of directional wifi relays for a local network
< 1552250321 804493 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a sport among hams
< 1552250346 227495 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, even with consumer grade wifi gear you can get impressive distance
< 1552250361 111588 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course with 2.4 GHz the line of sight matters even more
< 1552250378 3379 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite design is "Wi-Fry" or "Wok-Fi"
< 1552250386 659887 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take a steel wok 🏆
< 1552250394 582664 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which approximates a parabolic dish
< 1552250407 975075 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, with line of sight. my previous job used a pair of wifi routers to relay wifi between the two buildings where the company has offices, a few hundred meters apart. I can't call that high bandwidth though.
< 1552250412 64935 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drill a hole, stick a USB wifi adapter through to the correct distance
< 1552250428 547425 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1552250450 654275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the servers and all the tech people were in our building, only some managers and marketing guys worked in the other building, so they didn't need a fast conection to the servers of the local network
< 1552250456 743696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had separate internet service of course
< 1552250478 49612 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have 300 mbps internet at my house, but that was with several commercial grade millimeter wave (60-80 GHz) links
< 1552250486 479568 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have gigabit symmetrical fiber
< 1552250518 977382 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :our friendly local ISP MonkeyBrains runs a mesh of wireless links all over the city
< 1552250534 449917 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Comcast they are not douchebags
< 1552250639 118020 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can actually run wifi under amateur radio rules in the USA
< 1552250645 564894 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with greater power
< 1552250688 825467 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't use encryption of any kind, you must identify (usually by putting callsign in SSID), and no commercial use
< 1552250723 520202 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it possible to use wifi with no encryption of any kind, not even weak one?
< 1552250816 169868 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1552250829 15499 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what open Wifi is.
< 1552250833 610059 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no encryption also means no SSL, no SSH, etc
< 1552250839 427870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1552250864 103443 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the common interpretation of the rules is that you can encrypt passwords or use cryptographic authentication
< 1552250875 290025 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that isn't obscuring the content of a "message"
< 1552250888 783043 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :armchair lawyering is an important part of the hobby
< 1552250894 697478 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um, what do you mean by "cryptogrtaphic authentication"?
< 1552250907 129803 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1552250908 221177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1552250909 445711 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh pubkey, ssl xlient certs
< 1552250910 728221 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1552250935 282577 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the FCC mostly doesn't care unless you're causing problems for other licensed users.
< 1552250939 15095 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you would have to use a null cipher
< 1552250950 559301 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, some hams are snitches
< 1552250964 95171 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or interference with other frequencies, not necessarily with HAM stuff, right?
< 1552250971 311199 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's self regulating and people want to keep that privilege
< 1552250979 342500 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Other frequencies tend to have other licensed users on it.
< 1552250980 113035 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes
< 1552250995 562644 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean licensed in the broad meaning, not just HAM-licensed
< 1552251001 6517 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1552251035 672361 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some bands where hams are secondary and must yield to other users
< 1552251053 91302 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the rest, any licensed amateur has equal right to use the band
< 1552251054 498678 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think there are also frequencies reserved for earth-based radio-telescopy, and I don't think the stars broadcasting there got a license from FCC, for lightspeed limit reasons
< 1552251088 305834 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person can't "own" a frequency although there are voluntary agreements. general courtesy is the way
< 1552251095 132663 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1552251127 552244 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also specific frequencies known for rule breaking
< 1552251139 50736 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah, that's some of the ISM bands.
< 1552251141 238105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never own them because they're only leased for long term
< 1552251142 351275 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people let them be as long as it doesn't spill over to other freqs
< 1552251237 709280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then with specific restrictions
< 1552251288 900507 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1552251314 449210 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my point is that for hams there's no exclusive right to use any frequency
< 1552251321 538850 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1552251352 142991 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exclusive rights are for television, radio, and mobile telephony
< 1552251357 988362 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probalby some others
< 1552251382 418522 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :marine, land mobie radio, public safety, aviation, military
< 1552251397 225400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the UHF bands used by some public services
< 1552251438 527297 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does aviation count as exclusive? aren't most of those bands open for any aviation user?
< 1552251466 381624 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least partitioned by location that is
< 1552251495 361416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a license for that and the aviation authority controls that tightly, but still
< 1552251502 269763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it's exclusive to anyone
< 1552251617 905365 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing each ATC has a specific right for their frequency
< 1552251622 209118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there certain code words and stuff like that for aviation use? (Although I suppose anyone can learn what they are, though.)
< 1552251652 182741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and there's a license to pilot aviation, not only for the radio
< 1552251789 831037 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's also a license and protocol for HAM
< 1552251804 361206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have been told there is FOWER and FIFE, which is supposed to be used for 4 and 5 but it is rarely used. NINER for 9 is common though)
< 1552251845 643161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, and I think there is more than one kind of protocol for HAM, such as Morse code or RTTY or voice, and for pictures, slowscan and fastscan are used.
< 1552251888 974366 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but I think that sort of redundant words are not really exclusive for aviation, it's used for any noisy voice channel, even without radio.
< 1552251960 853939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe it is
< 1552252033 146135 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-167.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it's getting less common, because we don't have noisy analog phone lines anymore, so the noise comes more from the air environment rather than wires or radio
< 1552252562 739101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does wifi over ham radio ban encryption...?
< 1552252790 457356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, all encrypted comms are banned over ham radio
< 1552252797 887477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the range ARL TWENTY SEVEN up to ARL FORTY FIVE unused? (ARL FORTY EIGHT and ARL FORTY NINE also seems unused, even though ARL FORTY SIX and ARL FORTY SEVEN are defined.)
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< 1552256118 27942 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, ham radio uses all kinds of abbreviations and codes. it's full of jargon for jargon's sake
< 1552256124 200482 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are all well known, so they don't count as encryption
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< 1552256550 83745 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to love BYOND as a kid. These days I think people only care about BYOND for Space Station 13
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