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05:46:12 <Hooloovo0> little enough goes on in that channel anyway.., :(
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09:21:35 <wob_jonas> kmc: it's a bridge building game with exactly the same game design as the ones that we played twenty years ago, only this time it has useless but cheap optional additions such as sharing high scores on the internet or perspective graphics from the viewpoint of the running vehicle.
09:21:59 <wob_jonas> but the kids who were too young when these games were in fashion twenty years ago seem to enjoy playing it, so why not.
09:22:45 <wob_jonas> Hooloovo0: what do you mean by "IRP"?
09:23:55 <HackEso> https://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP
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11:05:21 <myname> any idea for a terminal game i could create to play casually while doing otther stuff
11:06:21 <Taneb> Coworker and I made an infinite minesweeper in the terminal game
11:07:04 <Taneb> You can only see a little bit of it at once, and you get a score based on how much you reveal
11:07:13 <Taneb> https://github.com/basile-henry/infinisweep
11:13:03 <myname> i found a pretty simple base for tick-based roguelikes
11:13:25 <myname> i am not sure how to make something out of it that's interesting enugh to play but not dangerously enough to die while i am not looking
11:16:56 <myname> i fail to build infinisweep x)
11:17:29 <Taneb> What OS are you on? And which version of GHC?
11:20:59 <myname> i guess it's an arch thing. haskell and arch do not work together that well
11:21:59 <myname> it complains about missing data.char :D
11:22:09 <myname> (and other obvious things)
11:22:27 <myname> There are files missing in the ‘base-4.12.0.0’ package
11:22:46 <myname> reinstalling base fails, though
11:24:02 <myname> install base claims here is already base-4.12, reinstalling claims there is not
11:24:16 <Taneb> I don't really know Arch, I'm afraid :(
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11:24:48 <myname> i guess i woudl have to try gradually updating
11:25:02 <myname> i will have a look on how to actually force to install a specific version
11:26:22 <myname> [__0] rejecting: base-4.12.0.0, base-4.11.1.0, base-4.11.0.0, base-4.10.1.0,
11:26:22 <myname> base-4.10.0.0, base-4.9.1.0, base-4.9.0.0, base-4.8.2.0, base-4.8.1.0,
11:26:22 <myname> base-4.8.0.0, base-4.7.0.2, base-4.7.0.1, base-4.7.0.0, base-4.6.0.1,
11:26:22 <myname> base-4.6.0.0, base-4.5.1.0, base-4.5.0.0, base-4.4.1.0, base-4.4.0.0,
11:26:22 <myname> base-4.3.1.0, base-4.3.0.0, base-4.2.0.2, base-4.2.0.1, base-4.2.0.0,
11:26:25 <myname> base-4.1.0.0, base-4.0.0.0 (only already installed instances can be used)
11:26:27 <myname> [__0] rejecting: base-3.0.3.2 (conflict: base==3.0.3.2, base => base>=4.0 &&
11:30:24 <myname> lets check what happens if i uninstall ghc-libs
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11:44:20 <myname> it fails to build colour via the build process of infinisweep but i can install colour with cabal just fine
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11:46:41 <Taneb> How were you trying to build it? cabal new-build?
11:47:04 <Taneb> Hmm, maybe make an issue?
11:47:29 <myname> it's most likely my setup. i will try on another system
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14:11:42 <esowiki> [[User:EnilKoder]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60793 * EnilKoder * (+636) Created page with "One time, I decided to create my own programming language: enilKode (named after my Scratch username enilK). Recently, I searched on Scratch for an interpreter, and I found a..."
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16:22:20 <oerjan> <Taneb> https://github.com/basile-henry/infinisweep <-- i'd imagine such a game could have the "problem" that after you've opened enough space, you'll be statistically unlikely to again _need_ to make a dangerous choice. does that happen with this?
16:23:01 <oerjan> as in, you could just ignore the dangerous ambiguities but still expand indefinitely.
16:24:11 <oerjan> (some might not consider that a problem. after all, tatham's (finite) version by default prevents unresolvable situations from arising.)
16:25:12 <Taneb> oerjan: that does happen in practice, after a while
16:28:49 <Taneb> I tend to still mess up nonetheless
16:29:39 <Taneb> We've been thinking of incorporating a time into the score somehow to mitigate this
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16:44:12 <esowiki> [[Y (programming language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60800&oldid=60775 * Oerjan * (+12) Section name
16:48:22 * oerjan doesn't like puzzle games with time limits
16:49:13 <oerjan> although i guess minesweeper played for time is not really a puzzle game.
16:49:36 <oerjan> (reminiscing about back when i played it a lot on windows)
16:52:00 <int-e> oerjan: the original Sokoban was awful :)
16:52:24 <int-e> (time limit, single move undo, and one had to reboot to quit)
16:55:16 <esowiki> [[Y]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60801&oldid=60773 * Oerjan * (+6) He's not really The Fox. I think.
16:56:14 <Taneb> oerjan: not so much a time limit as a "if you're playing for score you better hustle"
16:58:31 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Control character]]": Author request: Well, I *suspect* the author wants it deleted - it looks a bit weird.
17:02:20 <oerjan> today's xkcd seems particularly meh
17:04:03 <int-e> . o O ( "Big Data" is spread out over the whole range. )
17:07:50 * kmc trollishly remarks "xkcd, is that still going?"
17:07:55 <kmc> `quote xkcd
17:07:56 <HackEso> 776) * oerjan makes a brainfuck derivative for quoting xkcds
17:08:08 <kmc> oerjan: was that an idea specifically to piss me off? :D
17:32:40 <int-e> Oh yeah... xkcd... how's that still a thing?
17:32:55 <int-e> (I'm still disappointed that there was no John Oliver this week)
17:51:36 <oerjan> kmc: i don't remember. PROBABLY.
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18:07:18 <int-e> hmm, almost two weeks: long-lived topic
18:10:50 <oerjan> i once set the topic on ##nomic and no one else changed it for 364 days.
18:11:15 <int-e> . o O ( New rule: The topic may only be changed on April 1 )
18:11:46 <oerjan> at which time i had of course started to hope it'd last a year. worst timing ever.
18:11:52 <kmc> oerjan: seems ironic
18:11:55 <int-e> (364 is suggestive)
18:12:29 <oerjan> (i set it on Agora's birthday, so for about a year it said "Happy birthday Agora!"
18:12:59 <oerjan> (or something very close to that.)
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18:13:59 <int-e> I'm sure Charles odgson would be proud.
18:14:39 <int-e> (Hmpf. The D was there but my terminal betrayed me and I deleted it.)
18:15:22 <int-e> @google unbirthday
18:15:23 <lambdabot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbirthday
18:15:37 <oerjan> 's ok google put it right back in. and then i got annoyed because i didn't realize it was a typo.
18:15:37 <b_jonas> oerjan: but you can play minesweeper without a time limit
18:16:03 <oerjan> b_jonas: my mind is bad at ignoring stuff.
18:16:25 <int-e> . o O ( Ignore THIS! )
18:17:26 <int-e> Mind wandering... Granny Weatherwax had no trouble not to think of a pink elephant (or something like that). She didn't know what an elephant is.
18:27:43 <arseniiv> int-e: single move undo => I think many Sokoban clones have this issue, if there is undo at all
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18:36:13 <int-e> arseniiv: xsok doesn't (I've spent... many hours... with xsok. I've even modified the xpms ("translucent boxes" so you can distinguish boxes on goals from others) and patched it... good times)
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18:37:37 <zzo38> About undo in Sokoban game, well, once Free Hero Mesh is done enough then you could use that, which provides as much undo as you want to.
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18:40:45 <int-e> Hmmmmm. This is a funny claimer on a webcomic... "No part of this comic may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted by any means without the express written consent of the creator."
18:41:07 <int-e> I can get behind the first two but I doubt all the carriers have that consent in writing :P
18:41:21 <arseniiv> int-e: though one major time I played Sokoban myself was on a TV when I didn’t know what to do
18:41:31 <int-e> (And the second one should be fun for ISP caches.)
18:41:49 <b_jonas> int-e: is it transmitted through https so that middle transmitters can't decode or cache it?
18:41:54 <int-e> There's no license. https://theonlyhalfsaga.com/comic/2018/10/02
18:46:52 <int-e> I suppose that by putting things on a web server in an easily found location (linked from elsewhere, indexed by search engines) you kind of give an implied license for people to access it... and all the implied transmissions. It's still a funny provision in an online context if taken at face value.
18:50:26 <kmc> i don't think that holds up legally
18:50:40 <kmc> well, access sure
18:51:09 <kmc> generally copyright needs to be explicitly relinquished, and in some jurisdictions you can't even do it
18:51:16 <kmc> I'm blathering tho
18:51:29 <kmc> this is what happens when I tab to a new irc window without reading scrollback
18:51:32 <kmc> `quote butts
18:51:45 <int-e> kmc: well, if anything the carriers are being tricked into infringement here...
18:52:03 <int-e> by me and the comic author :P
18:53:05 <int-e> IANAL. I merley find this amusing because it tickles my logical mind.
18:56:24 <kmc> tickling is fun
18:56:57 <kmc> my wife is helping out with an apr 1 joke at google (for the employees, not users)
18:57:04 <kmc> which I guess I'll tell you about after apr 1
18:57:13 <kmc> it's the kind that is amusing and not annoying, imo
19:15:45 <b_jonas> sigbovik will be on 2019-04-01 too, and the proceedings will probably come out around that time too on the wobsite
19:15:57 <b_jonas> I expect a few tom7 pieces as always
19:17:03 <kmc> oh! I ran into some Fortran code in the wild the other day, in a program I use, and it's not BLAS or LAPACK
19:17:35 <kmc> there's this ham radio digital mode FT8 and the encoder / decoder that everyone uses is written in Fortran 90
19:17:55 <kmc> the maintainer is an older Nobel prize winning physicist so, fair enough
19:18:02 <kmc> and it's actually a pretty good choice here
19:18:05 <kmc> still amused
19:18:12 <kmc> it's not old code
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19:20:00 <kmc> most digi stuff on ham radio works on audio frequency signals that you connect to your normal radio (or to a SDR program using a utility like Virtual Audio Cable)
19:20:18 <kmc> this has a number of advantages and a number of disadvantages
19:21:11 <b_jonas> kmc: sure, just like how modems work, so you can transmit them through the existing analog telephone infrastructure
19:22:11 <kmc> it's a modem
19:23:55 <int-e> kmc: there's even a case that putting a website online gives Google the right to provide a "cached view" unless instructed otherwise (through robots.txt or using the Google-specific NOARCHIVE meta tag)
19:24:27 <int-e> (So there is case law for implied licenses in this general area.)
19:24:31 <b_jonas> int-e: but google specifically removes those cached copies when they find that the website is no longer available at the original place
19:25:08 <int-e> b_jonas: I'm reading that webcomic now. I'm not storing it for later :P
19:25:32 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_v._Google,_Inc.
19:26:22 <int-e> And while not directly comparable, that implied license seems even stronger than what I need :)
19:26:35 <kmc> this means you can transmit digi modes with a 60 year old tube radio, which is cool
19:27:05 <kmc> or receive them with a microphone near a pocket shortwave radio, as I did the other day
19:28:39 <kmc> disadvantage, you only get at most about 4 kHz of bandwidth
19:28:57 <kmc> but this would be the case anyway for reasons of law and ettiquite
19:29:34 <kmc> on HF the entire range allocated for data is only like 100 kHz per band
19:29:57 <b_jonas> kmc: and on a phone line, you get 56 kHz of bandwidth, and even for that you need a decade's advances in coding and decoding magic to transmit that reliably
19:30:28 <kmc> most ham modes use pretty simple modulation, e.g. frequency shift keying
19:31:01 <kmc> FT8 uses a 8 symbol FSK but there are some fancier tricks on the next protocol layer
19:31:24 <b_jonas> as in error correcting code?
19:31:56 <kmc> it's a very low bitrate, weak-signal mode so it doesn't need much speed from coding
19:32:10 <kmc> it has a LDPC code
19:32:29 <kmc> also transmits a Costas array at the beginning, middle and end of a message
19:34:42 <kmc> a Costas array is a permutation matrix such that all the distances between 1 elements are distinct
19:35:56 <kmc> this allows you to very precisely reconstruct the time and frequency offset of the message, and even account for drift over the 5 seconds or so it takes to send it
19:36:03 <kmc> actually 12 seconds
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19:59:41 <arseniiv> . o O ( baba is you is cool indeed )
20:04:20 <arseniiv> aaah 1 april and I didn’t get it until now, despite several mentions right here! what to do?.. two days left
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22:09:33 <kmc> sigh, why does my mood crash randomly
22:09:43 <kmc> I hate being anxious / upset about something and not even knowing what
22:20:32 <int-e> kmc: that sounds like a setup for a vicious cycle
22:23:40 <arseniiv> I almost crash when it’s needed to pick something ro buy out of a zillion variants, when descriptions probably lie, user comments are wildly inconsistent and I have to keep in mind the thing chosen would probably stick with me a long time
22:24:12 <arseniiv> in these cases I hopefully go with friends’ advice if any
22:28:04 <int-e> "The thing that used to worry him most was the fact that people always used to ask him what he was looking so worried about." -- Douglas Adams about Arthur Dent
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22:38:03 <kmc> I've been feeling down because I haven't had a job in a long time, and I really don't want to go back to the software industry
22:38:08 <kmc> but maybe I can think of something else to do
22:38:22 <kmc> also just because I don't get paid for something doesn't mean it's not worthwhile, for myself or others
22:38:35 <kmc> actually most of the most worthwhile-to-others things i've done have been not for pay
22:38:49 <kmc> I'm working on a project right now which i think people will find interesting, and I'm documenting it extensively
22:39:01 <kmc> so I should feel good about that, I think
22:41:28 <kmc> I mean my life's pretty great in general
22:46:42 <kmc> if I could contribute to OSS again, I'd feel good about that
22:46:49 <kmc> but it's hard for me right now for a variety of reasons
22:47:46 <b_jonas> kmc: you don't want to go back to the software industry? have you figured out what you want to do instead?
22:47:56 <b_jonas> because I'm sticking to software
22:48:41 <kmc> thinking about it makes me feel bad
23:13:03 <kmc> `` quote kmc | shuf
23:13:04 <HackEso> 967) <kmc> i don't know what that is so i'm going to assume it's a flavor of pocky \ 1121) <kmc> at the point where you start looking for a debugger for GNU Make, something has gone seriously wrong in life \ 1119) <Taneb> kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar <Taneb> Wound up at my university's fetish society <Taneb> Didn't realise for an hour and a half \ 1005) <kmc> LIST OF ACRONYMS: List Integrati
23:40:07 <kmc> wow FORTH programming looks awesome https://i.imgur.com/bql406z.jpg
23:47:39 <kmc> that might almost merit a NSFW warning
23:47:46 <kmc> despite being a programming book cover