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And which version of GHC? 11:20:59 i guess it's an arch thing. haskell and arch do not work together that well 11:21:59 it complains about missing data.char :D 11:22:09 (and other obvious things) 11:22:27 There are files missing in the ‘base-4.12.0.0’ package 11:22:46 reinstalling base fails, though 11:23:05 That's a shame :( 11:24:02 install base claims here is already base-4.12, reinstalling claims there is not 11:24:16 I don't really know Arch, I'm afraid :( 11:24:34 -!- vertrex has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 11:24:43 -!- vertrex has joined. 11:24:48 i guess i woudl have to try gradually updating 11:25:02 i will have a look on how to actually force to install a specific version 11:26:22 [__0] rejecting: base-4.12.0.0, base-4.11.1.0, base-4.11.0.0, base-4.10.1.0, 11:26:22 base-4.10.0.0, base-4.9.1.0, base-4.9.0.0, base-4.8.2.0, base-4.8.1.0, 11:26:22 base-4.8.0.0, base-4.7.0.2, base-4.7.0.1, base-4.7.0.0, base-4.6.0.1, 11:26:22 base-4.6.0.0, base-4.5.1.0, base-4.5.0.0, base-4.4.1.0, base-4.4.0.0, 11:26:22 base-4.3.1.0, base-4.3.0.0, base-4.2.0.2, base-4.2.0.1, base-4.2.0.0, 11:26:25 base-4.1.0.0, base-4.0.0.0 (only already installed instances can be used) 11:26:27 [__0] rejecting: base-3.0.3.2 (conflict: base==3.0.3.2, base => base>=4.0 && 11:26:30 <4.3) 11:26:32 i am pretty confused 11:26:38 So am I 11:30:24 lets check what happens if i uninstall ghc-libs 11:36:27 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:44:20 it fails to build colour via the build process of infinisweep but i can install colour with cabal just fine 11:44:32 -!- Essadon has joined. 11:46:41 How were you trying to build it? cabal new-build? 11:46:46 yeah 11:47:04 Hmm, maybe make an issue? 11:47:29 it's most likely my setup. i will try on another system 11:54:46 -!- hakatashi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:55:04 -!- hakatashi has joined. 11:57:15 -!- hakatashi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:57:39 -!- hakatashi has joined. 12:33:16 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:38:03 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:43:39 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 12:48:19 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 13:01:04 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:08:27 -!- Vorpal has joined. 13:10:38 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:42:29 [[Control Character]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60789&oldid=60787 * EnilKoder * (+525) 13:45:01 -!- tromp has joined. 14:09:41 [[Control Character]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60790&oldid=60789 * EnilKoder * (+199) 14:09:53 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60791&oldid=60725 * Prof Apex * (+226) /* Introductions */ 14:10:24 [[AsciiDots]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60792&oldid=58171 * Prof Apex * (+84) /* More Examples */ 14:11:42 [[User:EnilKoder]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60793 * EnilKoder * (+636) Created page with "One time, I decided to create my own programming language: enilKode (named after my Scratch username enilK). Recently, I searched on Scratch for an interpreter, and I found a..." 14:13:10 [[User talk:EnilKoder]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60794 * EnilKoder * (+0) Created blank page 14:16:59 [[AsciiDots]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60795&oldid=60792 * Prof Apex * (+0) /* More Examples */ 14:21:20 [[EnilKode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60796&oldid=60555 * EnilKoder * (+30) 14:22:18 [[User:EnilKoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60797&oldid=60793 * EnilKoder * (+36) 15:35:51 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:36:07 -!- tromp has joined. 15:36:55 -!- vertrex has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:51:10 -!- vertrex has joined. 15:51:10 -!- vertrex has quit (Changing host). 15:51:10 -!- vertrex has joined. 16:10:29 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:22:20 https://github.com/basile-henry/infinisweep <-- i'd imagine such a game could have the "problem" that after you've opened enough space, you'll be statistically unlikely to again _need_ to make a dangerous choice. does that happen with this? 16:23:01 as in, you could just ignore the dangerous ambiguities but still expand indefinitely. 16:24:11 (some might not consider that a problem. after all, tatham's (finite) version by default prevents unresolvable situations from arising.) 16:25:12 oerjan: that does happen in practice, after a while 16:28:49 I tend to still mess up nonetheless 16:29:39 We've been thinking of incorporating a time into the score somehow to mitigate this 16:34:54 [[AsciiDots]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60798&oldid=60795 * Prof Apex * (+69) /* More Examples */ 16:37:50 [[AsciiDots]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60799&oldid=60798 * Prof Apex * (-4) /* More Examples */ 16:44:12 [[Y (programming language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60800&oldid=60775 * Oerjan * (+12) Section name 16:48:22 * oerjan doesn't like puzzle games with time limits 16:49:13 although i guess minesweeper played for time is not really a puzzle game. 16:49:36 (reminiscing about back when i played it a lot on windows) 16:52:00 oerjan: the original Sokoban was awful :) 16:52:24 (time limit, single move undo, and one had to reboot to quit) 16:55:16 [[Y]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60801&oldid=60773 * Oerjan * (+6) He's not really The Fox. I think. 16:56:14 oerjan: not so much a time limit as a "if you're playing for score you better hustle" 16:58:31 [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Control character]]": Author request: Well, I *suspect* the author wants it deleted - it looks a bit weird. 16:58:58 int-e: argh! 17:02:20 today's xkcd seems particularly meh 17:04:03 . o O ( "Big Data" is spread out over the whole range. ) 17:07:50 * kmc trollishly remarks "xkcd, is that still going?" 17:07:55 `quote xkcd 17:07:56 776) * oerjan makes a brainfuck derivative for quoting xkcds 17:08:08 oerjan: was that an idea specifically to piss me off? :D 17:32:40 Oh yeah... xkcd... how's that still a thing? 17:32:55 (I'm still disappointed that there was no John Oliver this week) 17:51:36 kmc: i don't remember. PROBABLY. 18:02:43 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.6+deb1ubuntu0.1 - http://znc.in). 18:05:33 -!- adu has joined. 18:07:18 hmm, almost two weeks: long-lived topic 18:10:50 i once set the topic on ##nomic and no one else changed it for 364 days. 18:11:15 . o O ( New rule: The topic may only be changed on April 1 ) 18:11:46 at which time i had of course started to hope it'd last a year. worst timing ever. 18:11:52 oerjan: seems ironic 18:11:55 (364 is suggestive) 18:12:29 (i set it on Agora's birthday, so for about a year it said "Happy birthday Agora!" 18:12:32 ) 18:12:42 hah 18:12:59 (or something very close to that.) 18:13:55 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:13:59 I'm sure Charles odgson would be proud. 18:14:39 (Hmpf. The D was there but my terminal betrayed me and I deleted it.) 18:15:22 @google unbirthday 18:15:23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbirthday 18:15:37 's ok google put it right back in. and then i got annoyed because i didn't realize it was a typo. 18:15:37 oerjan: but you can play minesweeper without a time limit 18:16:03 b_jonas: my mind is bad at ignoring stuff. 18:16:25 . o O ( Ignore THIS! ) 18:17:26 Mind wandering... Granny Weatherwax had no trouble not to think of a pink elephant (or something like that). She didn't know what an elephant is. 18:27:43 int-e: single move undo => I think many Sokoban clones have this issue, if there is undo at all 18:29:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:29:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 18:29:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:29:48 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: I'll ignore you until later). 18:36:13 arseniiv: xsok doesn't (I've spent... many hours... with xsok. I've even modified the xpms ("translucent boxes" so you can distinguish boxes on goals from others) and patched it... good times) 18:36:45 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 18:37:37 About undo in Sokoban game, well, once Free Hero Mesh is done enough then you could use that, which provides as much undo as you want to. 18:38:00 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:40:45 Hmmmmm. This is a funny claimer on a webcomic... "No part of this comic may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted by any means without the express written consent of the creator." 18:41:07 I can get behind the first two but I doubt all the carriers have that consent in writing :P 18:41:21 int-e: though one major time I played Sokoban myself was on a TV when I didn’t know what to do 18:41:31 (And the second one should be fun for ISP caches.) 18:41:31 what's the license? 18:41:38 also which comic? 18:41:49 int-e: is it transmitted through https so that middle transmitters can't decode or cache it? 18:41:54 There's no license. https://theonlyhalfsaga.com/comic/2018/10/02 18:46:52 I suppose that by putting things on a web server in an easily found location (linked from elsewhere, indexed by search engines) you kind of give an implied license for people to access it... and all the implied transmissions. It's still a funny provision in an online context if taken at face value. 18:50:26 i don't think that holds up legally 18:50:40 well, access sure 18:50:48 but idk 18:51:09 generally copyright needs to be explicitly relinquished, and in some jurisdictions you can't even do it 18:51:16 I'm blathering tho 18:51:29 this is what happens when I tab to a new irc window without reading scrollback 18:51:32 `quote butts 18:51:34 No output. 18:51:45 kmc: well, if anything the carriers are being tricked into infringement here... 18:51:46 kmc: sorry 18:52:03 by me and the comic author :P 18:52:30 * int-e shrugs. 18:53:05 IANAL. I merley find this amusing because it tickles my logical mind. 18:53:24 merely. 18:56:24 tickling is fun 18:56:57 my wife is helping out with an apr 1 joke at google (for the employees, not users) 18:57:04 which I guess I'll tell you about after apr 1 18:57:13 it's the kind that is amusing and not annoying, imo 19:14:57 hmm, I should scramble a prank 19:14:59 it's doable 19:15:13 (I hope) 19:15:45 sigbovik will be on 2019-04-01 too, and the proceedings will probably come out around that time too on the wobsite 19:15:57 I expect a few tom7 pieces as always 19:16:30 nice 19:17:03 oh! I ran into some Fortran code in the wild the other day, in a program I use, and it's not BLAS or LAPACK 19:17:35 there's this ham radio digital mode FT8 and the encoder / decoder that everyone uses is written in Fortran 90 19:17:55 the maintainer is an older Nobel prize winning physicist so, fair enough 19:18:02 and it's actually a pretty good choice here 19:18:05 still amused 19:18:12 it's not old code 19:18:22 [[Template:Distinguish/Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60802&oldid=60772 * ZM * (+2) plural s 19:20:00 most digi stuff on ham radio works on audio frequency signals that you connect to your normal radio (or to a SDR program using a utility like Virtual Audio Cable) 19:20:18 this has a number of advantages and a number of disadvantages 19:21:11 kmc: sure, just like how modems work, so you can transmit them through the existing analog telephone infrastructure 19:22:07 yeah 19:22:11 it's a modem 19:23:55 kmc: there's even a case that putting a website online gives Google the right to provide a "cached view" unless instructed otherwise (through robots.txt or using the Google-specific NOARCHIVE meta tag) 19:24:27 (So there is case law for implied licenses in this general area.) 19:24:31 int-e: but google specifically removes those cached copies when they find that the website is no longer available at the original place 19:24:39 hides it I mean 19:24:48 no longer distributes it 19:25:08 b_jonas: I'm reading that webcomic now. I'm not storing it for later :P 19:25:32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_v._Google,_Inc. 19:26:22 And while not directly comparable, that implied license seems even stronger than what I need :) 19:26:35 this means you can transmit digi modes with a 60 year old tube radio, which is cool 19:27:05 or receive them with a microphone near a pocket shortwave radio, as I did the other day 19:28:39 disadvantage, you only get at most about 4 kHz of bandwidth 19:28:57 but this would be the case anyway for reasons of law and ettiquite 19:29:34 on HF the entire range allocated for data is only like 100 kHz per band 19:29:57 kmc: and on a phone line, you get 56 kHz of bandwidth, and even for that you need a decade's advances in coding and decoding magic to transmit that reliably 19:30:10 yeah 19:30:25 that tech is magic 19:30:28 most ham modes use pretty simple modulation, e.g. frequency shift keying 19:31:01 FT8 uses a 8 symbol FSK but there are some fancier tricks on the next protocol layer 19:31:24 as in error correcting code? 19:31:56 it's a very low bitrate, weak-signal mode so it doesn't need much speed from coding 19:31:59 yeah 19:32:10 it has a LDPC code 19:32:29 also transmits a Costas array at the beginning, middle and end of a message 19:34:42 a Costas array is a permutation matrix such that all the distances between 1 elements are distinct 19:35:56 this allows you to very precisely reconstruct the time and frequency offset of the message, and even account for drift over the 5 seconds or so it takes to send it 19:36:03 actually 12 seconds 19:36:42 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:57:42 `perl -e print 120/15 19:57:42 8 19:59:41 . o O ( baba is you is cool indeed ) 20:04:20 aaah 1 april and I didn’t get it until now, despite several mentions right here! what to do?.. two days left 20:04:24 [[BareMinimum]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60803 * Joshop * (+1002) Created page with "BareMinimum is a programming language with only two operators: subtract and minimum. ==Expressions== All expressions in BareMinimum are in prefix notation. There are two binar..." 20:05:45 [[BareMinimum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60804&oldid=60803 * Joshop * (+28) 20:08:33 [[BareMinimum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60805&oldid=60804 * Joshop * (+41) 20:30:46 `perl -e print 100/15 20:30:47 6.66666666666667 22:09:33 sigh, why does my mood crash randomly 22:09:43 I hate being anxious / upset about something and not even knowing what 22:20:32 kmc: that sounds like a setup for a vicious cycle 22:22:10 yeah 22:23:40 I almost crash when it’s needed to pick something ro buy out of a zillion variants, when descriptions probably lie, user comments are wildly inconsistent and I have to keep in mind the thing chosen would probably stick with me a long time 22:24:12 in these cases I hopefully go with friends’ advice if any 22:24:38 okay bye 22:28:04 "The thing that used to worry him most was the fact that people always used to ask him what he was looking so worried about." -- Douglas Adams about Arthur Dent 22:28:59 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:37:48 mm 22:38:03 I've been feeling down because I haven't had a job in a long time, and I really don't want to go back to the software industry 22:38:08 but maybe I can think of something else to do 22:38:22 also just because I don't get paid for something doesn't mean it's not worthwhile, for myself or others 22:38:35 actually most of the most worthwhile-to-others things i've done have been not for pay 22:38:49 I'm working on a project right now which i think people will find interesting, and I'm documenting it extensively 22:39:01 so I should feel good about that, I think 22:41:28 I mean my life's pretty great in general 22:46:42 if I could contribute to OSS again, I'd feel good about that 22:46:49 but it's hard for me right now for a variety of reasons 22:47:46 kmc: you don't want to go back to the software industry? have you figured out what you want to do instead? 22:47:56 because I'm sticking to software 22:48:23 i haven't 22:48:41 thinking about it makes me feel bad 23:13:03 `` quote kmc | shuf 23:13:04 967) i don't know what that is so i'm going to assume it's a flavor of pocky \ 1121) at the point where you start looking for a debugger for GNU Make, something has gone seriously wrong in life \ 1119) kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar Wound up at my university's fetish society Didn't realise for an hour and a half \ 1005) LIST OF ACRONYMS: List Integrati 23:40:07 wow FORTH programming looks awesome https://i.imgur.com/bql406z.jpg 23:47:39 that might almost merit a NSFW warning 23:47:46 despite being a programming book cover