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01:07:41 <esowiki> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61363&oldid=60890 * Zane * (+309)
01:09:26 * kmc is a prepper and would be fine for 1-2 weeks at home with no power and no going out for supplies
01:11:59 <kmc> lots of water, canned and bulk food, gas-canister camp stove (outdoor use only!), various battery packs and LED lights and a zillion ham radios
01:12:14 <kmc> granted, it doesn't get very cold here, I have no way to heat the apartment as a whole
01:53:07 <Hooloovoo> how do you power the radios long-term?
01:53:39 <Hooloovoo> or is there a plan for times to use them/etc with the local hams
01:56:05 <kmc> there is not a plan regarding times, that I know of
01:56:44 <kmc> if I needed to get a message out, I would try several frequencies and repeaters that I know are popular and/or are involved with emergency stuff
01:57:01 <kmc> if I want to get an idea of what's going on, I would just scan
01:57:21 <kmc> as for power I have a variety of battery packs laying around, and some solar panels (tho most of them are in off-site storage atm)
02:03:23 <Sgeo__> When DOS games output 3d as interleaved scan lines, can I assume 1 scan line = 1 pixel?
02:10:47 <kmc> I even have a hand-crank radio, AM/FM broadcast receive only, but it has a USB power output and in *theory* I can charge one of the ham radios from it
02:10:55 <kmc> no idea how much cranking would be required
02:11:03 <kmc> it must get old
02:11:08 <kmc> (well, AM/FM and NOAA weather radio)
02:11:10 <pikhq> kmc: I'm not sure that quite counts as "prepper".
02:11:25 <kmc> because I don't have an underground bunker with 500 boxes of ammunition?
02:11:39 <pikhq> I mean, you are well prepared for an emergency, but that's not "prepped to survive for months, or the fall of western civilization"
02:11:55 <pikhq> That's more... prepped well to survive if an earthquake happens in the Bay.
02:11:57 <kmc> it's still more than most people :P
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02:23:48 <Hooloovoo> Sgeo__, usually, though sometimes pixels are non-square
02:24:10 <Hooloovoo> because with CRTs, pixels can be however big the graphics card decides
02:25:41 <kmc> on B&W CRTs sure
02:26:13 <Hooloovoo> as long as you're below the dot pitch, it's fine on color CRTs too
02:26:28 <kmc> on color, I think you are still limited by the color mask
02:26:53 <Hooloovoo> right, but *most* color crts are good enough to play DOS games
02:27:06 <Hooloovoo> at least, any color computer monitors
02:28:01 <pikhq> Yeah. In principle a DOS game _could_ use whatever graphics interfaces it likes to go super high res, but in practice DOS games only went as far as 640x480 (and often less)
02:28:34 <kmc> tektronix made some interesting non-mask-based color CTRs: https://hackaday.com/2019/01/17/sharpest-color-crt-display-is-monochrome-plus-a-trick/
02:29:14 <Sgeo__> I want to convert interleaved to SBS, each row I guess alternates left and right?
02:29:14 <kmc> it's a monochrome CRT with some LCD-controlled color filters in front of it
02:29:25 <Sgeo__> If DOSBox were to be at original size
02:32:05 <kmc> tek also made storage tubes, where you draw vectors with the electron beam and they stay there through some kind of magic
02:32:28 <kmc> cool demo with an amazing retro-computing vibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IztxeoHhoyM
02:33:25 <kmc> these were used for CAD workstations for a time, when it was too expensive to have the computer constantly re-drawing all vectors
02:42:35 <Hooloovoo> I have a couple of the storage toobs
02:42:52 <kmc> how'd you come by those
02:43:05 <kmc> storage CRTs were also used as RAM by some *really* old computers
02:43:38 <kmc> predating core memory, predating even delay lines I think
02:43:40 <Hooloovoo> there's a display that I walk by every day with one in it
02:43:51 <kmc> or contemporary... I guess delay lines were developed for radar first
02:43:52 <Hooloovoo> I think delay lines were first, but I'm not positive
02:44:01 <kmc> ever been to the computer history museum in mountain view?
02:44:55 <Hooloovoo> no, haven't been to SF in too long
02:45:03 <Hooloovoo> I'll be in palo alto for the summer
02:46:19 <Hooloovoo> (me and/or my roommate) have a 603a and I have a 7000 series scope at my parents house
02:48:01 <Hooloovoo> there was one thing that we found which we couldn't just liberate, it's going to the LCM in Seattle
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03:28:56 <j4cbo> a friend has a tek 7000 storage scope
03:29:24 <j4cbo> with regular time base and amp modules but also a 7D02 debugger
03:35:56 <pikhq> That museum is pretty sweet.
03:36:17 <kmc> I've not been there
03:36:20 <kmc> but it sounds great
03:36:34 <kmc> there's also the Museum of Communications right
03:36:43 <kmc> I went there when I was a small child
03:36:46 <kmc> don't remember much
03:40:55 <Hooloovoo> I have a couple IRC friends who volunteer there
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09:14:59 <Taneb> That doesn't look like J
09:15:06 <Taneb> Oh, I'm thinking of dc
09:15:09 <Taneb> That does look like J
09:15:15 <j-bot> Taneb: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
09:15:27 <wob_jonas> it's just multiplications. J can do them fine.
09:15:40 <Taneb> wob_jonas: yeah, I was mixed up
09:16:18 <HackEso> Unknown option: -e \ usage: python3 [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... \ Try `python -h' for more information.
09:16:26 <HackEso> File "<string>", line 1 \ print 24*3.79 \ ^ \ IndentationError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'
09:16:31 <Taneb> wob_jonas: python3 wants parens after print
09:16:35 <HackEso> File "<string>", line 1 \ print(24*3.79) \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
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09:52:15 <orin> Another problem I am having with greek letters
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09:52:59 <orin> is Ϟ supposed to be curly and ϟ straight or the other way round
09:53:30 <orin> wikipedia shows one, unicode code charts show the other way
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09:55:05 <Taneb> I'd say upper case forms tend to be less curly than lower case forms, in my experience
09:56:36 <orin> yeah so that would make Ϟ the straight one
10:39:06 <orin> I am also adding ׯ
10:39:43 <HackEso> [U+05EF HEBREW YOD TRIANGLE]
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15:38:50 <esowiki> [[Talk:Revolution 9]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61365&oldid=53225 * HereToAnnoy * (-199) sorry guys i'm retarded
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18:41:02 <fizzie> There's electricity again, but the fungot box doesn't have the "turn on after recovering power" option, so fungot outage will persist until I can reach the power switch.
18:41:44 <b_jonas> what is this site? https://code-golf.io/
18:45:44 <fizzie> I don't know, but it's very J-dominated.
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18:47:18 <kmc> yay electricity
18:48:58 <fizzie> Well, according to the latest update letter "we are not out the woods yet as this is a temporary repair, however we are now in a position to have time on our side and can plan for the next stage --".
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18:49:26 <fizzie> I don't know if you can really call that "having time on our side", really.
18:50:03 <fizzie> At least to me that sort of suggests things would get better by just waiting.
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18:57:28 <kmc> perhaps "we've bought some time" would be better
18:57:58 <kmc> "time is still against us but not quite so rabidly so for the moment"
18:58:14 <kmc> I do not think the power company here would be so forthcoming about things
18:58:24 <kmc> they have more of a "fuck you" attitude
18:58:52 <kmc> a privately traded for-profit company, which exists to make dividends for its shareholders, which has a legal monopoly to provide electrical and gas service
18:59:19 <kmc> they've been fined many times for misbehavior but their only way to recoup that money is to raise rates so...
19:00:19 <kmc> they went bankrupt this year, but still paid out huge bonuses
19:00:44 <kmc> well at least it's better than Enron.
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19:15:58 <fizzie> FWIW, these haven't been from the power company, they've been from the management company for the building.
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20:28:46 <kmc> Hooloovoo: you were asking about my off-grid radio power options, here's one of them: https://imgur.com/a/PC7e00e
20:31:51 <kmc> I added an 8-port Powerpole distribution block and a Powerpole to car accessory socket cable. So I can run both of my mobile radios as well as a USB charger or other car accessory from a single battery pack
20:32:12 <kmc> that's on top of the big lead-acid batteries and solar panels
20:32:16 <kmc> which are less convenient to carry around
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20:35:08 <kmc> the box pictured weighs 3.6 kg / 7.9 lb
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20:49:17 <b_jonas> do you also have a working car charger for this?
20:50:12 <kmc> not quite, not yet
21:45:01 <kmc> my first was about 1000 km, San Francisco to Phoenix, AZ
21:45:16 <kmc> but the same day I got 7,400 km to Sakhalin
21:45:34 <kmc> and a few days later 9,800 km to Tambov, Russia
21:45:40 <kmc> that's on FT8 though... easy mode
21:47:14 <kmc> wrong window
21:47:16 <kmc> but whatever
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22:19:20 <zzo38> Is there a NNTP client software using SQLite?
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