< 1556928058 295865 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1556928691 857668 :cactus5!56e5ac7d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.229.172.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! Could someone hint me one what esolang is this code from? :
< 1556928697 558862 :cactus5!56e5ac7d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.229.172.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M73 P0 R2 M201 X9000 Y9000 Z500 E10000 M203 X500 Y500 Z12 E120 M204 P2000 R1500 T2000 M205 X10.00 Y10.00 Z0.20 E2.50 M205 S0 T0 M107 M115 U3.1.0 M83 M204 S2000 T1500
< 1556928725 723933 :cactus5!56e5ac7d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.229.172.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh \n didn't paste ... sry
< 1556928881 601565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1556928966 751502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't recognize that
< 1556928995 28048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1556928996 772546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 032350Z 30010KT 9999 FEW047 OVC064 03/M02 Q1004 RMK WIND 670FT 31015KT
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< 1556929337 791493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556931606 302975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks very much like G-code except without any G commands.
< 1556931631 171987 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1556931637 592623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I think "M115 U3.1.0" is Prusa's "print firmware version" special.
< 1556931659 242376 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of think it is G code
< 1556931664 822125 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some form
< 1556931678 134049 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1556931710 273771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not "real" Gcode, it's at least clearly inspired by.
< 1556931715 752544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're not here any more.
< 1556931730 610272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you win some, you lose some.
< 1556931955 248475 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gggjblyumqoravjp QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1556932113 292239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( dog star? you can't be sirius. )
> 1556934408 925485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61622&oldid=61600 5* 03A 5* (+213) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer Program */
> 1556935118 759968 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Drive-In Window14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61623&oldid=61595 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-776) 10Sorry, but it's really not TC.
> 1556935232 801325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61624&oldid=61622 5* 03A 5* (+215) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer Program */
> 1556935316 46034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61625&oldid=61624 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer Program */
> 1556936201 567868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61626&oldid=61604 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (+219) 10
> 1556936592 176015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61627&oldid=61625 5* 03A 5* (-213) 10trivial
> 1556937078 274344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61628&oldid=61627 5* 03A 5* (+42) 10/* Fibonacci Numbers */
< 1556937452 991226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed my NNTP server to return a 503 error instead of 500 for the NEWGROUPS command.
> 1556937548 631199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61629&oldid=61503 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Karma */
> 1556937899 624818 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61630&oldid=61628 5* 03A 5* (+40) 10/* Truth-machine */
< 1556938124 391051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The RFC requires that the NEWGROUPS command is implemented if reader capabilities are available, but does not require that this command lists newsgroups that the server does not know the creation date of. Since I am not keeping track of creation dates for newsgroups, I just put 503 instead.)
> 1556938524 148667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61631&oldid=61630 5* 03A 5* (+109) 10/* Infinite loop(very trivial) */
> 1556938651 281110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61632&oldid=61631 5* 03A 5* (-55) 10/* Ongoing code snippet to input an integer */
> 1556939005 492715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61633&oldid=61632 5* 03A 5* (+107) 10/* One-line integer input */
> 1556939893 781416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61634&oldid=61633 5* 03A 5* (+96) 10/* _ re-written in Keg */
> 1556939947 968693 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61635&oldid=61436 5* 03A 5* (+95) 10/* Julia */
> 1556940075 281416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61636&oldid=61635 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10/* Keg */
> 1556940089 99099 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61637&oldid=61634 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10/* Deadfish */
< 1556940343 969359 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
> 1556940449 762577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61638&oldid=61637 5* 03A 5* (+247) 10Computational class
> 1556940583 428174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61639&oldid=61638 5* 03A 5* (-28) 10Wait a second, it is too complex to be a Turing tarpit.
> 1556940675 359822 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61640&oldid=61280 5* 03A 5* (+10) 10
> 1556940922 47115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61641&oldid=61339 5* 03A 5* (+6) 10It is boring, so I will comment it out.
> 1556940934 172667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61642&oldid=61641 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10
< 1556941346 96663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also recently fixed a error where it would not work properly if a command included trailing spaces.
> 1556941358 354722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61643&oldid=61639 5* 03A 5* (+326) 10/* Non-cheating variation */
> 1556941389 56965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61644&oldid=61643 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Explanation */
> 1556941418 444964 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61645&oldid=61644 5* 03A 5* (-70) 10trivial
> 1556941569 676113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TonyBrown14814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61646 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (+127) 10Created page with "I am TonyBrown148. The creator of TBF   TBF BF  --- --  <   <  >   >+  ;   , if current cell is 0 and . otherwise  |   [  ||  ]"
> 1556941600 34200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TonyBrown14814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61647&oldid=61646 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (-2) 10
> 1556942216 476922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61648&oldid=61645 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (-76) 10This version of Keg won't be rewritten... Instead, a new improved version of Keg is being worked on.
> 1556943285 324316 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61649&oldid=59422 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (+623) 10Add TonyBrown148's Attempt
> 1556943338 986112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61650&oldid=61649 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (+18) 10add some information
> 1556943391 517778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61651&oldid=61650 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (+0) 10/* Step 3(Merge I/O) */ Delete a space
> 1556943535 265252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61652&oldid=61651 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (+12) 10/* Step 3(Merge I/O) */ Changed the phrase because ; makes the text bold.
< 1556947820 578680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1556947961 384643 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 〈
< 1556947962 111784 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2329 LEFT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET]
< 1556948014 415283 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS IT WIDE
< 1556948024 380338 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAA
> 1556948812 260207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61653&oldid=61648 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Deadfish */
> 1556949348 486381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61654&oldid=61653 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (-2) 10/* Deadfish */  - - > Ascii code for B is 64.
< 1556949410 552280 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
> 1556949413 27327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61655&oldid=61654 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+1) 10/* Deadfish */ realised I should have used @
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< 1556949839 121962 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font now encodes lowercase digits! 𝟷𝟸𝟹𝟺𝟻𝟼𝟽𝟾𝟿
> 1556949852 781849 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61656&oldid=61655 5* 03A 5* (+122) 10I had it 1 byte shorter
< 1556952735 419087 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
> 1556952870 482651 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61657&oldid=61656 5* 03A 5* (+113) 10/* Deadfish */
< 1556952945 502461 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1556953008 47434 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bootstrap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61658&oldid=60470 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10grm
> 1556953102 629853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bootstrap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61659&oldid=61658 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10Make the definition general
> 1556953131 539414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bootstrap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61660&oldid=61659 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10Another grm
> 1556953257 328871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61661&oldid=61657 5* 03A 5* (+15) 10Specify
> 1556953520 820268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61662&oldid=61661 5* 03A 5* (+62) 10/* Factorial */
< 1556954163 226674 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vmyvzzxvnuzdeytz JOIN :#esoteric
> 1556954480 611167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61663&oldid=61662 5* 03A 5* (+76) 10/* User Defined Functions */
> 1556954958 317031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61664&oldid=61663 5* 03A 5* (+108) 10Improved command glossary
> 1556955015 653730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61665&oldid=61664 5* 03A 5* (-11) 10Shorten
> 1556955070 722212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61666&oldid=61665 5* 03A 5* (-33) 10/* User Defined Functions */
> 1556955529 437697 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61667&oldid=61666 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+216) 10/* User Defined Functions */  - - added a little note
> 1556955631 870645 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61668&oldid=61667 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+13) 10/* User Defined Functions */ formatting improval
> 1556955854 246840 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61669&oldid=61668 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+49) 10/* Example Programs */  Dice simulator
> 1556956471 458141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61670&oldid=61669 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10/* User Defined Functions */
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> 1556961763 301365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61671&oldid=61670 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10Wrong order
> 1556961960 841266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61672&oldid=61671 5* 03A 5* (+72) 10/* Dice simulator */
> 1556962346 31183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61673&oldid=61672 5* 03A 5* (+96) 10/* Dice simulator */
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> 1556966809 724507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61674&oldid=61673 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Dice simulator */
> 1556967144 387310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61675&oldid=61674 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Whoops, the compilation specification is in the wrong order.
> 1556968421 701751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61676&oldid=61675 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1556968432 137472 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61677&oldid=61676 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* One-line integer input */
> 1556968448 169011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61678&oldid=61677 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Factorial */
> 1556968463 528317 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61679&oldid=61678 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Digital root calculator */
> 1556968678 259590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61680&oldid=61679 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Fizzbuzz Program (loops up to 100) */
> 1556968861 465500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61681&oldid=61680 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Deadfish */
> 1556969071 721438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61682&oldid=61681 5* 03A 5* (+44) 10/* One-line integer input */
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> 1556969619 29664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61683&oldid=61682 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1556969880 531256 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61684&oldid=61629 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10/* Keg */
> 1556969950 377168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61685&oldid=61636 5* 03A 5* (-3) 10/* Keg */
> 1556970017 684639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61686&oldid=61363 5* 03A 5* (+29) 10/* ISCOM */
> 1556970719 769509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61687&oldid=61683 5* 03A 5* (+42) 10/* Dice simulator */
> 1556970766 647130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61688&oldid=61687 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Looping counter */
> 1556971646 635113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61689&oldid=61688 5* 03A 5* (+23) 10/* Looping counter */
> 1556971747 447093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61690&oldid=61689 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Capitalize all ascii 's
> 1556972045 99342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61691&oldid=61690 5* 03A 5* (-327) 10/* Non-cheating variation */
> 1556972186 913457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61692&oldid=61691 5* 03A 5* (-20) 10Shorten
> 1556972771 61853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61693&oldid=61692 5* 03A 5* (+420) 10/* Fibonacci Numbers */
> 1556973210 363694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61694&oldid=61693 5* 03A 5* (+233) 10Trivial, and add how to implement logical operators.
> 1556973325 556242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61695&oldid=61694 5* 03A 5* (+98) 10/* Logical operators */
< 1556974424 240380 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1556976691 429018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61696&oldid=61652 5* 03TonyBrown148 5* (+167) 10/* TonyBrown148's attempt */ Change |
< 1556976748 240409 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.209.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric
> 1556977237 916244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61697&oldid=61448 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+6) 10/* Other example */
> 1556977297 801926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61698&oldid=61697 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-25) 10/* Examples */
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> 1556977694 121975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61699&oldid=61686 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+388) 10
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> 1556978474 875 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61700&oldid=61695 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Logical operators */
> 1556978676 581122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61701&oldid=61700 5* 03A 5* (-83) 10/* Fibonacci Numbers */
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< 1556979535 701348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the Great Firefox Outage of 2019 getting on?
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> 1556980492 463523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07History (programming language)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61702 5* 03A 5* (+1026) 10Add an esoteric data structure AND a joke language.
< 1556980496 629105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, they found an interesting way to do an emergency fix; there's an optional (enablable/disablable in preferences) feature that allows the mozilla devs to run studies, and they created a "study" that fixes the certificate issue (presumably with an explicit whitelisting)?
> 1556980553 957535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric data structure14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61703&oldid=59923 5* 03A 5* (+50) 10Add my idea.
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> 1556980736 246761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07History (programming language)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61704&oldid=61702 5* 03A 5* (+331) 10/* The History data structure */
> 1556980750 177478 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07History (programming language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61705&oldid=61704 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10/* An example session of History */
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> 1556980873 837390 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07History (programming language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61706&oldid=61705 5* 03A 5* (-24) 10/* An example session of History */
> 1556981105 612989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61707&oldid=61135 5* 03A 5* (+99) 10/* General languages */
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< 1556981584 663547 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsXpLx4soQY
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< 1556982596 737587 :MilkyWay90!ad4fbc26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.79.188.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back
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< 1556984415 945352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Looking at the "study" XPI file, what it does is it injects a certificate to the browser's certificate store, and then triggers a re-verification of (extension?) signatures: http://ix.io/1I13/js
< 1556984552 867855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that makes sense
< 1556984575 890567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("doTheThing" is a good name for a function.)
< 1556984590 239814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although now I'm wondering how they ensured the extensions were signed by that certificate, maybe there's some sort of indirection involved
< 1556984700 470556 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.t
< 1556985655 606653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: cryptic!
< 1556985664 251416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pun fully intended)
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< 1556986998 107061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using a old enough version of Firefox that I am unaffected.
< 1556987094 175142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, it's about signing on extensions; if you don't use extensions or if you don't use Mozilla's mechanism for signing them, you won't be affected
< 1556987192 661147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(normally I wouldn't add the second part of that disjunction, but if there are people out there who use Firefox extensions but some unusual method of loading them, I'd consider zzo38 to have a fairly high probability of being one of them)
< 1556987249 712167 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm not sure how I'm escaping this.
< 1556987304 225781 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because Firefox has been running for a while?
< 1556987368 564767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use many extensions, but do not have updates and signing checking of extensions enabled (I have some unsigned extensions, since sometimes I have to modify them)
< 1556987515 344422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The fix will be automatically applied in the background within the next few hours." <-- not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this statement.
< 1556987625 342526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic updates are off here as well (which I hope invalidates that statement as well)
< 1556987742 753778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems that the lack of automatic updates keeps the installed addons functioning as well.
< 1556987747 433310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the current fix is based on a run-arbitrary-code-via-telemetry feature that can be enabled and/or disabled
< 1556987758 44185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's separate from the updates, but someone who disables updates would probably disable that to
< 1556987759 510411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1556987817 571303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The setting should be under Privacy & Security / Firefox Data Collection and Use / Allow Firefox to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla / Allow Firefox to install and run studies.
< 1556987822 372190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I went through everything with "telemetry" in the name recently and disabled that.
< 1556987857 723846 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's disabled. thanks!
< 1556987885 66366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I seem to recall that Debian disables that one by default anyway.)
< 1556987969 573051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apparently.
< 1556987976 417957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even greyed out.
< 1556987983 83086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data reporting is disabled for this build configuration"
< 1556988140 637359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like my Firefox installation (which I don't really use) actually has one extension that's been deactivated due to "not meet[ing] current Firefox standards", which might even be from that bug.
< 1556988185 492691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the "xul-ext-mozvoikko" package that contains a Finnish spell-checker, no idea why I've got that installed.)
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< 1556989041 46957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for firefox, (1) a few months ago the firefox on my windows work machine reverted to using hungarian messages in the UI, despite that I've switched it to english previously. apparently it listens to the _other_ about:config variable that tells the UI language since an update.
< 1556989073 188238 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (2) when I complained about something not working in the online banking, phone support just told me the generic response that I should try to use chrome as the browser
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< 1556989982 243390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that reminds me -- I tried out LANGUAGE=en_GB:en:fi as a misguided attempt to say "speak English, but fall back to Finnish if available and English isn't". But of course most programs don't explicitly have message files for English (it's just the untranslated messages are in English), so the end result was everything started to speak Finnish.
< 1556990014 186146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I undid that, but I had installed a kernel update in the meanwhile, and that involves updating grub, so the boot menu was in Finnish all the way until the next update.
< 1556990020 797386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't it that most programs don't even care about the LANGUAGE var, and use only the LC_MESSAGE locale?
< 1556990037 954132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything using gettext will care about LANGUAGE.
< 1556990090 795481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/The-LANGUAGE-variable.html
< 1556990096 52162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you specify a "i-default" language?
< 1556990126 987732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not all programs have translations for all languages. By default, an English message is shown in place of a nonexistent translation. If you understand other languages, you can set up a priority list of languages. This is done through a different environment variable, called LANGUAGE. GNU gettext gives preference to LANGUAGE over LC_ALL and LANG for the purpose of message handling, but you still need to 
< 1556990132 996115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :have LANG (or LC_ALL) set to the primary language; this is required by other parts of the system libraries. For example, some Swedish users who would rather read translations in German than English for when Swedish is not available, set LANGUAGE to ‘sv:de’ while leaving LANG to ‘sv_SE’."
< 1556990157 898077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( am I alone in only setting LC_CTYPE and nothing else in the `locale` area? )
< 1556990187 660833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think that's too weird, I think I might have done that too? 
< 1556990209 682916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's an honest question, I'm wondering.
< 1556990239 76991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now I do LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:en, and I don't know if that latter one really makes any difference anywhere.
< 1556990282 67317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC I did something like that (only en_US probably) and didn't like the collation.
< 1556990296 867829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're not. I did that, and glibc used to have a bug that that caused
< 1556990334 919790 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: technically it would be better to set LC_CTYPE, LC_MEASUREMENT, and LC_PAPER, but very few programs care about those locales
< 1556990340 603854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have LANG=C on my computer, and do not have the other stuff set
< 1556990345 204044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` env | egrep 'LANG|LC'
< 1556990346 56068 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ IRC_MESSAGE=`` env | egrep 'LANG|LC'
< 1556990363 326508 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale # does it have this?
< 1556990364 65518 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ALL=
< 1556990389 340584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess that's misleading because it propagates LANG everywhere else
< 1556990405 250575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's intentional or not, but I think you can tell the fallbacky ones because they have quotes.
< 1556990413 813517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` env LC_CTYPE=en_NZ.UTF-8 locale
< 1556990415 401583 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ALL=
< 1556990420 124106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, the quotes disappeared.
< 1556990430 204982 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, LANG sets the default locale, and you can override separate facets with the individual LC_* variables
< 1556990460 322206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale
< 1556990461 48307 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL=
< 1556990481 280678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're good: "Values for variables set in the environment are printed without double quotes, implied values are printed with double quotes."
< 1556990513 572193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you set some of them for stuff other than a language? Such as, for paper and telephone and so on you might want some format other than the specification of a language; will that work?
< 1556990513 613441 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` export LC_CTYPE=hu_HU.utf8 LC_MEASUREMENT=hu_HU.utf8 LC_PAPER=hu_HU.utf8; locale # I think we don't have that locale installed here
< 1556990514 615840 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (hu_HU.utf8): No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory \ LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE=hu_HU.utf8 \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER=hu_HU.utf8 \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMEN
< 1556990538 156944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also with date/time; you might want to specify your own date/time format, too)
< 1556990559 827253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think there are effectively only two different values for paper and measurement, so there's not much point complicating it
< 1556990573 867327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't much care about the TELEPHONE part
< 1556990608 765487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: For measurement I suppose, but for paper isn't there many different paper sizes?
< 1556990664 607487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only two _default_ paper sizes I believe, letter and A4
< 1556990672 794725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can print on other sizes of paper, but those aren't the default
< 1556990680 73689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just set them per printing job explicitly
< 1556990684 809080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have en_GB.UTF-8, en_US.UTF-8 and en_NZ.UTF-8 uncommented in /etc/locale.gen on the HackEso system.
< 1556990691 7677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last just because of the bot.
< 1556990700 338355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, OK.
< 1556990715 990187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be more, maybe I just don't know them
< 1556990754 256402 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly for LC_MEASUREMENT, you can tell programs to write distances in french leagues, it's just not the default from any french locale probably
< 1556994437 846850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs should know what languages their fallbacks are in :-(
< 1556994445 501105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the fallback should be in C
< 1556994529 391742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if it uses languages at all, then it ought to know
< 1556995334 832915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_TELEPHONE seems almost unusable to me; the only plausible use case is to correctly format phone numbers given as user input, when the user doesn't format them clearly
< 1556995383 374542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. in the UK, you'd want to format 03001235000 as (0300) 123 5000; however, this is a very hard transformation to do automatically because the rules would depend on a prefix database)
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< 1556995557 781179 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's for the modem dialer to know how to format international numbers on a fixed phone line, since those don't accept a plus
< 1556995581 676975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fixed/landline/
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< 1556995680 959131 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What even is there to query the LC_TELEPHONE?
< 1556995697 939791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale -k LC_TELEPHONE
< 1556995698 769918 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tel_int_fmt="+%c %a %l" \ tel_dom_fmt="" \ int_select="" \ int_prefix="64" \ telephone-codeset="UTF-8"
< 1556995706 92472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that would be helpful, but you should allow to define in the system configuration file what prefix to use; the driver can convert + to the proper prefix
< 1556995736 472318 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, kinda, but what it tells you is pretty useless.
< 1556995743 3942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` env LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8 locale -k LC_TELEPHONE
< 1556995743 774418 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tel_int_fmt="+%c %a %l" \ tel_dom_fmt="%A %l" \ int_select="00" \ int_prefix="44" \ telephone-codeset="UTF-8"
< 1556995793 328792 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556995795 669695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you define the details of the locale anyways? You should need some file to do so, I think.
< 1556995833 612619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's somewhat spread out.
< 1556995844 946496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here those LC_TELEPHONE values come from /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_GB.
< 1556995898 659340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can't, it's gnu libc magic
< 1556995990 905830 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1556995991 49373 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1556996017 506972 :Melvar!~melvar@ltea-178-014-120-034.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: system upgrade
< 1556996045 403356 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1556996055 397356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found those locale files, but can you put any locales in your home directory in case you want to use one that the system administrator has not defined?
< 1556996065 164629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1556996101 830257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can only use the compiled-together binary things as well? Haven't really explored though.
< 1556996131 47549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which on this system is /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.)
< 1556996151 150151 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556996212 271337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe there's some way to override the default path, in which case you could compile your own thing.
< 1556996225 674684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it can only use the compiled files is OK, but you should be allowed to substitute your own file if you do not want to use the existing one. Furthermore, the C locale should not require any kind of file like that.
< 1556996293 991300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apparently there's a LOCPATH environment variable.
< 1556996305 392384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The user can use custom locales by compiling them with localedef(1) and loading them from a directory pointed by LOCPATH; see the GNU C Library online manual at Locale Names, the locale(1) manual page, and the Testing Locales section below for details and examples."
< 1556996311 241027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1556996344 515012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1556996852 209735 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zrwbvplfxaazjxuj JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556997139 536598 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1556997395 972120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's like the TERMINFO_DIRS env-var that I used to use to install urxvt terminfo under my home directory on old systems that didn't come with one
< 1556997411 714848 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to use a custom terminfo or locale in a setuid program, you're out of lock
< 1556997414 888222 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of luck
< 1556997453 779834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IIRC a custom locale is how we got false(1) to segfault, last time the "make false return true" discussion came up
< 1556997481 401070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite as good as making it return true, but it's a step on the way
< 1556997743 996930 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. 
< 1556997780 501881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making true return false is, of course, easy
< 1556997800 49128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The docs mentioned that setuid binaries ignore LOCPATH, which is probably good.
< 1556997838 880875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like the sort of thing that setuid binaries need to ignore
< 1556997916 788060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good old times when we did stuff like that, 
< 1556997951 713437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in that rules abuse in https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=376362 where one task is to make something raise an exception, so I set up a debug single step callback, and raise an exception from inside 
< 1556997975 355458 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is making true return false easy?
< 1556997994 906938 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have to be /bin/true ?
< 1556998036 732396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, /bin/true
< 1556998055 141954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true > /dev/full; echo $?
< 1556998055 901592 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1556998064 452398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help > /dev/full; echo $?
< 1556998065 205190 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: No space left on device \ 1
< 1556998068 53871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1556998109 570355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ideally we just shouldn't use setuid binaries, so that things that have to run as root or something don't inherit any funny process state, but instead run as a demon or are spawned by a demon and other user's processes call into them without execve, but as long as setuid programs can exist, they need those restrictions
< 1556998118 479842 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wow
< 1556998120 986167 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me test
< 1556998135 711779 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1556998138 328054 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that returns false
< 1556998157 531895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about that
< 1556998165 928177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse is much harder because /bin/false reports an error even if you successfully --help or --version it
< 1556998169 302981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help
< 1556998169 981709 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /bin/true [ignored command line arguments] \   or:  /bin/true OPTION \ Exit with a status code indicating success. \  \       --help     display this help and exit \       --version  output version information and exit \  \ NOTE: your shell may have its own version of true, which usually supersedes \ the version described here.  Please refer to your shell's documentation \ for details about the options it supports. \  \ GNU coreutils online help: <
< 1556998184 283453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did know that /bin/true --help prints help message but returns true, and /bin/false --help prints help message but returns false
< 1556998187 498964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was curious about what the help for /bin/true could possibly say :-D
< 1556998192 232731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not much to talk about
< 1556998203 48337 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just learned about /dev/full
< 1556998206 466929 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1556998207 987287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in gnu coreutils, the help message says where to report localization bugs 
< 1556998211 5577 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strang
< 1556998214 62968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/full is a very useful tool for testing
< 1556998251 692192 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1556998282 893237 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's handy, but it's not really essential. there are other ways to get unwritable file handles.
< 1556998283 128198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because write errors are very rare in practice but it's a trivial way to cause a genuine write error
< 1556998298 359363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a convenience device like /dev/zero
< 1556998321 231593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: closed-file-handle is the other easy thing to simulate but it often causes a much more complicated error due to things like fopen opening over it
< 1556998331 757058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true 1&>-
< 1556998334 803630 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1556998335 927967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help 1&>-
< 1556998336 708404 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1556998342 464525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help 1&>-; echo $?
< 1556998343 570954 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1556998353 499770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help 1>&-; echo $?
< 1556998354 306370 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: Bad file descriptor \ 1
< 1556998356 539945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1556998385 640294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no no, don't use a closed filehandle
< 1556998408 902862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken pipe, perhaps?
< 1556998422 562664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking more of either a AF_LOCAL socket that's been shutdown, or a type of file handle where write isn't valid, such as an open directory 
< 1556998435 747337 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an epoll filehandle or whatever
< 1556998447 784439 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not easy to open those in pure bash
< 1556998467 291121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mkfifo f; true < f & (sleep 1; /bin/true --help; echo $? 1>&2) > f
< 1556998469 159285 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :141
< 1556998493 769533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so /bin/true doesn't catch SIGPIPE
< 1556998547 342610 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, or even a regular file open for read only
< 1556998557 455991 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/full is more useful when you need a filename
< 1556998625 299228 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true 1<wisdom/oerjan; echo exit=$?,
< 1556998626 16193 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit=0,
< 1556998632 393195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help 1<wisdom/oerjan; echo exit=$?,
< 1556998633 173539 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: Bad file descriptor \ exit=1,
< 1556998638 529956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that latter
< 1556998687 266758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -we 'sysopen STDOUT,"/",0x10000 or die; exec "/bin/true","--help"'; echo exit=$?,
< 1556998688 443542 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: Bad file descriptor \ exit=1,
< 1556998699 934609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, you don't even need the flag
< 1556998703 891239 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -we 'sysopen STDOUT,"/",0 or die; exec "/bin/true","--help"'; echo exit=$?,
< 1556998704 818375 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: Bad file descriptor \ exit=1,
< 1556998729 925116 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help 1</; echo exit=$?,
< 1556998730 719469 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: Bad file descriptor \ exit=1,
< 1556998733 327303 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even easier
< 1556998743 812930 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1556998764 651923 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this might be a bug in /bin/true , it should probably still give exit code 0 if it can't print the help message
< 1556998803 632327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I rarely use /bin/true, because in shell scripts the shell builtin is easier, and it doesn't try to write anything
< 1556998850 879840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1</" is allowed?
< 1556998856 697580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1556998903 299390 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need an explicit check to not allow it, like explicitly fstat the file to check if it's a directory or something
< 1556998919 794977 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because open without O_WRITE will open directories just fine
< 1556998950 119519 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to, because that's how opendir+readdir is implemented under the hood, with open and getdents, and for all the *at functions like openat too
< 1556999714 946159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1557000127 715941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help 1<&2; echo exit=$?
< 1557000128 892715 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /bin/true [ignored command line arguments] \   or:  /bin/true OPTION \ Exit with a status code indicating success. \  \       --help     display this help and exit \       --version  output version information and exit \  \ NOTE: your shell may have its own version of true, which usually supersedes \ the version described here.  Please refer to your shell's documentation \ for details about the options it supports. \  \ GNU coreutils online help: <
< 1557000143 709512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so you can write to stdout even if it was opened only for reading
< 1557000184 339368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1557000204 792060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just that by default the terminal device is opened for read-write, and that same one file description is duped to stdin, stdout, stderr
< 1557000228 547863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, dup doesn't mess with permissions
< 1557000233 413077 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :check with fcntl if you want
< 1557000239 667757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/true --help 1</dev/null; echo exit=$?
< 1557000240 500444 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: Bad file descriptor \ exit=1
< 1557000348 243967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -we 'use Fcntl; printf "fl=%04X,\n", fcntl(STDIN, F_GETFL(), 0);'
< 1557000349 73514 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fl=8000,
< 1557000375 157041 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ if the low two bits are 2, that means the file is open for read-write, which is what you'll normally see in a program in a terminal
< 1557000393 528560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case the low two bits aren't 2
< 1557000403 787847 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because that's HackEso, not a termianl
< 1557000415 454878 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have anything to read things from
< 1557000470 446799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: re your Perl problems: the official solution to one of them was to override the permissions on undef to make it read/write and assign to it, I'm surprised that didn't end up breaking something more important
< 1557000518 435042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it could end up breaking things, but these are standalone esoteric exercises, not good practices to use in a production program
< 1557000544 165295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 is perfectly fine to do in production IMO
< 1557000562 163111 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some could be as a special case
< 1557000574 345512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… in pure Perl, is there any way to place arrays as array elements?
< 1557000576 877341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can do that via XS
< 1557000599 925785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl's internals don't have any rule that array elements must be scalars (ditto for hash values), that's just a rule of the language itself
< 1557000600 10703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1557000615 806996 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that these can depend on perl 5.8
< 1557000698 739204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` --perl -e '@a=([1]); print ref \$a[0]'
< 1557000699 488517 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: --perl: command not found
< 1557000702 562350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '@a=([1]); print ref \$a[0]'
< 1557000703 474349 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :REF
< 1557000727 798645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '@a=([1]); print ref \ ($a[0])'
< 1557000728 696269 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :REF
< 1557000767 522502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was expecting SCALAR, am I missing a level of indirection somewhere?
< 1557000772 17148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '@a=([1]); print ref ($a[0])'
< 1557000772 902558 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRAY
< 1557000785 597829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess REF is more specific than SCALAR
< 1557000799 783019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and technically you'd have to bit_and the file status flags with 0x01000003 to get the mode, and the possible modes are 0 for read only, 1 for write only, 2 for read-write, 3 for something Linux-specific, 0x10000000 for something else Linux-specific, except possibly on Hurd which uses different numeric values for O_READ and O_WRITE and O_RDWR just to be incompatible with everything)
< 1557000802 707739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's weird to see references being displayed with a different type from other scalars
< 1557000883 165138 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ref can returns REF and a few other fancy things that still mean scalar
< 1557000950 330234 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be best to just check for undef, ARRAH, HASH, IO, FORMAT, and interpret anything else to mean it's a scalar reference;
< 1557000971 982895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call Scalar::Util::reftype instead of ref to handle blessed stuff
< 1557000997 681549 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then these functions are crazy
< 1557001013 697960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -e warn ref(qr/foo) # it's not a reference, so why does ref return true?
< 1557001014 502298 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `perl -e warn ref(qr/foo) # it's not a reference, so why does ref return true?'
< 1557001021 754438 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e warn ref(qr/foo/)
< 1557001023 585191 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regexp at -e line 1.
< 1557001037 801353 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e warn use Scalar::Util; Scalar::Util::reftype(qr/foo/)
< 1557001038 447742 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"use" not allowed in expression at -e line 1, near "warn " \ syntax error at -e line 1, near "warn use Scalar::Util" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1557001045 627112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Scalar::Util; warn Scalar::Util::reftype(qr/foo/)
< 1557001046 320151 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :REGEXP at -e line 1.
< 1557001065 365696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is a crazy alnguage
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< 1557001545 532751 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -wuse Scalar::Util "reftype"; warn reftype(\substr($x,0,0))
< 1557001546 243076 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :String found where operator expected at -e line 1, near "Scalar::Util "reftype"" \ 	(Do you need to predeclare Scalar::Util?) \ syntax error at -e line 1, near "Scalar::Util "reftype"" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
< 1557001552 488288 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -euse Scalar::Util "reftype"; warn reftype(\substr($x,0,0))
< 1557001553 240347 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LVALUE at -e line 1.
< 1557001560 402932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -euse Scalar::Util "reftype"; warn reftype(\vec($x,0,1))
< 1557001561 244539 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LVALUE at -e line 1.
< 1557001702 510549 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -euse Scalar::Util "reftype"; warn reftype(qr/foo/)
< 1557001703 266449 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :REGEXP at -e line 1.
< 1557001741 155437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, perl has all sorts of user-defined magical scalars, so a scalar can behave in almost any way
< 1557001761 925661 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really write a program that behaves properly for any input if you can't trust what scalars go into the input
< 1557002701 27535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a library to check whether a scalar is magical or not
< 1557002718 715764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only so many things you can do magic-wise to a scalar; there are a lot, but it's a finite number and it's enumerated within the Perl header files
< 1557002795 98929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1557002867 930222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl scalars are basically just a data structure with a large number of fields indicating all the possible special behaviours they could have
< 1557002908 1974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl programmers use the term "magic" for data that acts very unusually compared to most data, but all possible forms of magic have to be encoded in the scalar's data structure somehow
< 1557002989 913865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, with B for example
< 1557003062 419280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of special behaviours are possible?
< 1557003062 550084 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Devel::Peek; $x="foo"; Dump($x) # not too magical
< 1557003063 302838 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SV = PV(0x552ae9bb20) at 0x552aeb8a60 \   REFCNT = 1 \   FLAGS = (POK,IsCOW,pPOK) \   PV = 0x552aebd960 "foo"\0 \   CUR = 3 \   LEN = 10 \   COW_REFCNT = 1
< 1557003072 426639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Devel::Peek; $x=qr"foo"; Dump($x) # quite magical
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< 1557003084 894473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the B module to traverse the internal structures and read every bit
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< 1557003101 392918 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, you can probably use B for what ais523 asked, putting an array value into an array element
< 1557003131 24286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not, if it only has read-only functions 
< 1557003770 245889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do magic behaviours mean including such a thing similar to the "number and string" type in AWK?
< 1557003898 601155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, a perl scalar can be both a number and a string without being magical
< 1557003914 771014 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic can do more tricky stuff, like catch every read of the scalar
< 1557003923 242469 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also every write)
< 1557004025 252464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
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< 1557004086 885023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In JavaScript properties can have a function to catch reading them, but variables don't.)
< 1557004659 698596 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you had a high-level language, with high-level features, besides automatic memory management?
< 1557004685 821688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of high-level features?
< 1557004729 369447 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-class functions, delimited and regular continuations, etc.
< 1557004800 368289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here we go... firefox has disabled my addons as well, it was just delayed.
< 1557004824 934317 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, a programming language with a lot of abstraction, except for one specific thing that stands out like a sore thumb.
< 1557004890 193278 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but xpinstall.signatures.required exists so they're back now :P
< 1557005022 422869 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget security key
< 1557005023 112714 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove 'wisdom/security key': No such file or directory
< 1557005071 212129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was it who asked about identifying processes on linux without race conditions from 15-bit pids being reused? because apparently the linux devs are now working on that, though they're not done yet
< 1557005128 481700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did
< 1557005160 708095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it
< 1557005163 857912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was izabera
< 1557005173 216181 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1557005175 465731 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was you zzo38
< 1557005179 476777 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-11-28.html#lv
< 1557005194 240728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://lwn.net/Articles/784831/
< 1557005245 927475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I remember I mentioned it. I thought of idea to perhaps use a file descriptor and then anything that can use a process ID number can also use the sum of the file descriptor with a constant that is larger than all valid process IDs but can fit in the variable without overflow.
< 1557005252 313571 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ، 
< 1557005252 965265 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+060C ARABIC COMMA] [U+0020 SPACE]
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< 1557005353 604530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That idea is pidfd like what I mentioned, although then you will need to add pidfd_send_signal() and so on; my suggestion does not require that you make up new system calls like that
< 1557005356 554717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pids are not limited to 15 bits
< 1557005361 151270 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's 22?
< 1557005383 67434 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: they're not strictly limited, that's just the default limit
< 1557005395 518912 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and the limit is 2^22-1
< 1557005429 350342 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in so much pain and i can't think straight
< 1557005480 614932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still 22 bits is less than the 31 bits that a positive number in a signed 32-bit variable can have, so, what I mentioned can work.
< 1557005509 158953 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a really easy way to solve this problem entirely
< 1557005521 332409 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :make pids 64bits, incremental and never reused
< 1557005608 775252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pids are scow
< 1557005615 585836 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: that's not so simple, because there are lots of system calls and user library calls that store pids in 32-bit values
< 1557005620 281145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can break
< 1557005630 523632 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let them break
< 1557005638 74287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, that is why you have to do what I mentioned instead.
< 1557005662 647048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define the constant in some C header file.
< 1557006000 50474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example:  #define PIDFD_OFFSET (1<<30)
< 1557006073 776742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then you can do my suggestion without needing to add any new system calls at all.
< 1557006369 473226 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't really like that idea. it seems prone to bugs. 
< 1557006438 45562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bugs?
< 1557006486 760373 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1557006564 571084 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-78.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, I can't give a good argument, sorry
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< 1557006685 904505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, one thing I also consider is that PIDFD_OFFSET-1 also should be not valid; that is why it must be higher than (1<<22)
> 1557007029 343396 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Falsaidi 5*  10New user account
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< 1557007922 165323 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Schleckmercenary's take on the Fermi paradox.
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< 1557009059 936615 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1557009624 515750 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Scratchapixel 2.0 apparently missing chapters?
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> 1557011025 656009 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61708&oldid=61696 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-34) 10Tidy one section for clarity and neater contents.
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< 1557011717 721393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How useful is the EXCLUDE clause in SQL? It does not seem so useful to me. Allowing to specify numbers PRECEDING and FOLLOWING for a RANGE frame type look like useful, though.
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