< 1559002210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1559003618 0 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: *gʷíh₃womos seems to be "we live"? 1st thematic pl. of gʷih₃wós , and the first word is .... something about stealing juice? He steals juice that we might live? Sounds Biblical. < 1559005059 0 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1559005078 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1559007074 0 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559008331 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-145.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559008345 0 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Quit: This page is intentionally left blank. < 1559008452 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1559008719 0 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1559009022 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1559010546 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559010573 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART #esoteric : < 1559015617 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ZachAttrax 5* 10New user account < 1559015717 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1559016087 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62801&oldid=62799 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10 < 1559016562 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62802&oldid=62797 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10Another significant proof was ignored < 1559017122 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62803&oldid=62784 5* 03A 5* (+77) 10 < 1559021253 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62804&oldid=62747 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+18) 10/* Infinite loop */ < 1559021568 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62805&oldid=62804 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (-3) 10/* (Another) Python 3 interpreter */ Fixed the bug where it would always come up saying 'empty stack' < 1559022371 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559022436 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART #esoteric : < 1559027081 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1559027158 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1559027479 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1559028216 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1559032516 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62806&oldid=62805 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+3) 10Undo revision 62805 by [[Special:Contributions/JonoCode9374|JonoCode9374]] ([[User talk:JonoCode9374|talk]]) dup'ing an empty stack is supposed to error. not a bug. < 1559038367 0 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1559038546 0 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559039271 0 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zoeueudwuktflxoc JOIN :#esoteric < 1559042175 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:b137:5aa2:217e:d011 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1559042952 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:b9c7:d768:2a:c389 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559043721 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559044038 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1559044305 0 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1559044557 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1559044741 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62807&oldid=62802 5* 03Int-e 5* (+29) 10update links to new repo name < 1559044836 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62808&oldid=62801 5* 03Int-e 5* (-2) 10update links < 1559044899 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559045489 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Leela (Chess Zero) is now officially the one-eyed leading the blind... it convincingly beat Stockfish in the TCEC final with a +7 score in 100 games. < 1559045596 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the zero is no longer quite accurate; as I understand it, Leela is incorporating tablebase endgame knowledge somehow. The keyword is "tablebase rescoring".) < 1559045667 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1559046107 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559046133 0 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1559046147 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, python's struct.pack puts endianness modifiers before the type marker in the pack template, whereas perl puts it after. < 1559046365 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62809&oldid=62726 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+12) 10/* P */ < 1559046417 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62810&oldid=62809 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-12) 10/* P */ < 1559046452 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User:A10]]": using user page history to disrupt the wiki and attack people < 1559046457 0 :sebbu3!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1559046458 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62811&oldid=62810 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+12) 10/* P */ < 1559046515 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/protect14]]4 protect10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10protected "[[User:A [create=sysop] (indefinite)]]": this userpage was being used for disruption / as an attack page rather than for any beneficial purposes, thus salting < 1559046555 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User:A/asdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfa10]]": now being used primarily as an attack page < 1559046630 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98439.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1559047049 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559047070 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62812&oldid=62744 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-4) 10 < 1559047107 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : should we leave revertion of that edit to salpynx’s page to ais523? ← a) don't revert edits just because of who makes them, b) feel free to revert edits because of their content or because you disagree with them, c) if someone is persistently acting in an obnoxious way (making attack pages, etc.) it will probably need admin involvement to stop them, but for things that don't need admin involvement you can fix them yourself < 1559047118 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62813&oldid=62812 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+31) 10 < 1559047199 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559047213 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559047274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if User:A has been attacking pages in a widespread or systematic way, I can do a total or partial block, but short of that, any edits to pages created by other users should be treated on a case-by-case basis (the creator of a page doesn't have /control/ of it; but if you disagree with the meaning or style of someone else's edit, you can revert it regardless of who made the page, unless it causes a revert war) < 1559047314 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I guess the policy is "for small-scale problems, you can try to fix them yourself, if it becomes a large-scale problem or there's a disagreement with two people reverting back and forth, ask for admin help" < 1559047353 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bit**14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=62814 5* 03A 5* (+19) 10Redirect bit** to bitch to prevent people from offensing others < 1559047419 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62815&oldid=62807 5* 03A 5* (+15) 10I don't want the redirect to be forgotten... < 1559047504 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62816&oldid=62815 5* 03Ais523 5* (-15) 10Undo revision 62815 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]): in the vast majority of circumstances, there is no point on linking a redirect back to the page you're currently on, and this is not an exception < 1559047619 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559047649 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62817&oldid=62816 5* 03A 5* (+92) 10Okay. Clarify < 1559048331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1559048349 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62818&oldid=62808 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1418) 10/* [Complete] Equivalency between bitch and Home Row by User:Helen */ revive a comment, and add a few more < 1559048385 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62819&oldid=62818 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10/* [Complete] Equivalency between bitch and Home Row by User:Helen */ (probably) correct indices < 1559048607 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62820&oldid=62806 5* 03A 5* (-47) 10/* Infinite loop */ < 1559048715 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cimport sys; print(sys.getrefcount(8)) < 1559048716 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :62 < 1559048724 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cimport sys; print(sys.getrefcount(0)) < 1559048725 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :443 < 1559048755 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those numbers don't match what my python says. does that mean I have a fake python? < 1559048831 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The count returned is generally one higher than you might expect" ;-) < 1559048855 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly by induction the function should return infinity. < 1559048922 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62821&oldid=62817 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10/* Computational class */ : Uh huh, so that was currently invalid. I will uncomment it if [[User:Helen|@Helen]] successfully proved that. < 1559048942 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it's a different version of python < 1559048959 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cimport sys; print(sys.version) < 1559048960 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5.3 (default, Sep 27 2018, 17:25:39) \ [GCC 6.3.0 20170516] < 1559048965 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62822&oldid=62821 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Computational class */ : Sorry, I covered a matching bracket < 1559048972 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, no. openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/lib/python3.7/__pycache__/sitecustomize.cpython-37.pyc", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3 < 1559048990 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bet it depends on the python packages that are installed. < 1559049047 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :python2 '-cimport sys; print(sys.getrefcount(0))' => 394; python3 '-cimport sys; print(sys.getrefcount(0))' => 246 is what I have here atm. < 1559049220 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62823&oldid=62819 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10/* Memory equivalence */ : Wow, it is really cool putting the signature into code snippets! (I will remove that though) < 1559049716 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62824&oldid=62823 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10/* Memory equivalence */ move to intended place (sorry for missing that in the first place!) < 1559049907 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62825&oldid=62824 5* 03A 5* (+212) 10/* [Complete] Equivalency between bitch and Home Row by User:Helen */ < 1559050020 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62826&oldid=62825 5* 03A 5* (-46) 10/* [Complete] Equivalency between bitch and Home Row by User:Helen */ < 1559050076 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62827&oldid=62826 5* 03A 5* (-167) 10Undo revision 62826 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]): No, that was wrong! < 1559050875 0 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-146-151-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Bytemark link at the bottle of the esolang wiki leads to a dead page < 1559051007 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottle :) < 1559051059 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, fizzie's Bytemark's esolang contact? < 1559052686 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an impression N ⋊_ϕ H ≅ (N ⋊_id im ϕ) × ker ϕ (group theory) but now I think it’s wrong < 1559052696 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1559053146 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62828&oldid=62783 5* 03A 5* (+1727) 10 < 1559053159 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62829&oldid=62828 5* 03A 5* (+17) 10 < 1559053171 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62830&oldid=62829 5* 03A 5* (-1744) 10Blanked the page < 1559053314 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1559053564 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03A 5* 10moved [[02User talk:A/asdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfa10]] to [[User:A/asdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfa < 1559054782 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ninja < 1559054784 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ninja? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1559054785 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? samurai < 1559054786 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :samurai? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1559054792 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pirate < 1559054793 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pirates are humourously nautical persons. Their grammar is friendly and plural. < 1559055196 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559055409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1559055422 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559056105 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a001134d4532f041e6c.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1559057677 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10moved [[02User:A/asdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfa10]] to [[User talk:A]]: user talk pages shouldn't be move < 1559057679 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559057740 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, esowiki, are you OK? < 1559057821 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this clearly is too much drama for the bots. < 1559057844 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even drama really, that'd require multiple people on each side of the argument < 1559057868 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just someone being disruptive and me gradually turning their permissions lower and lower in response to them demonstrating that they can't be trusted to use them correctly < 1559057886 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Shakespeare made a lot of drama all by himself. ) < 1559057950 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they overflowed the bot's buffer. < 1559058018 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying because I normally use the bot to monitor esowiki's recent changes (often via the logs), now I have to check them directly < 1559058056 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges ? < 1559058066 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is that I actually missed that A's user talk page had gotten renamed (as I was concentrating on the userpage rename), then A's further screwing about made it obvious what had happened and so I could fix it < 1559058067 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes < 1559058089 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to read #esoteric and the recent changes at the same time saves on pages to open, also the stalker-mode logs update automatically < 1559058135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the bit where they joined the channel, pasted criticisms of themselves from the logs into it, and then quit? < 1559058163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo what's the deal < 1559058184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're trying to be passive-agressive but aren't very good at it < 1559058274 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1559058277 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could be a good user if they stopped trying to test the boundaries of what's allowed and stopped intentionally antagonising people… < 1559058291 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and stopped jumping to conclusions about computational class0 < 1559058293 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0/)/ < 1559058302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to be a complete jerk you could at least be witty about it or something < 1559058324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a fair deal < 1559058336 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( and we all know how that goes ) < 1559058357 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we? < 1559058727 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and counts too < 1559058755 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python's struct.unpack takes the count and endianness modifier before the type letter in the pattern < 1559059502 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a001134d4532f041e6c.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559059584 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00656d4f24e56a7ed7.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1559059633 0 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zoeueudwuktflxoc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1559059681 0 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559062134 0 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sxnrgfcxekccxbzb JOIN :#esoteric < 1559062182 0 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.5.188.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1559062225 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in HEXHAM. So exotic. One could even say, esoteric. < 1559062253 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1559062254 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico. < 1559062328 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1559062364 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: help < 1559062367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing < 1559062398 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're breaking everything < 1559062416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: esowiki the bot is down < 1559062445 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the bytemark link in the footer is a 404 < 1559062477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you go to hexham because #esoteric or did you somehow go there for an unrelated reason? < 1559062568 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit from column A, a bit from column B. We're mostly driving around Northumberland, but staying a night in Hexham was #esoteric-motivated. < 1559062586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what's wrong with the bot though. < 1559062595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, because if it were coincidence, I'm not sure I could deal with it :-D < 1559062619 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot may have had a buffer overflow? User:A created a page with a ridiculously long name and the bot crashed when I tried to clean up after it < 1559062689 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fizzie the only person in this channel in Hexham? < 1559062722 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have multiple channel regulars in Hexham, which was an absurd coincidence beause it has a population of ~12000 < 1559062766 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to just cut long messages. But there could be an bug. < 1559062786 0 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant believe IOCCC is done < 1559062790 0 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels too soon < 1559062805 0 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it really been a year since last IOCCC < 1559062837 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even taking the birthday paradox into account, you wouldn't a channel of 85 people to have two unrelated regulars living in the same small town < 1559063053 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot had indeed died of SIGSEGV. Sounds buggy. < 1559063138 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00656d4f24e56a7ed7.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559063156 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to restart it makes it die of the same thing. < 1559063177 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll get this fixed before dinner. Will have a look later. < 1559063324 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1559063606 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559065317 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1559065322 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00b84ce59eddb89a2e.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1559066751 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1559067134 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1559067173 0 :arseniiv_!?@? NICK :arseniiv < 1559067213 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the channel log collecting process down? < 1559067271 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the logs at esolang.org < 1559067357 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00b84ce59eddb89a2e.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559067404 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sokʷh₂yóteh₂ti *gʷíh₃womos : We live in a society in PIE < 1559067405 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1559067532 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: apparently, it must be esowiki who's collecting the logs because they stopped when it segfaulted < 1559067982 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, there could be a connection < 1559068261 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see, fizzie already knows about the problem < 1559068268 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jsut checked the logs at tunes) < 1559068413 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.188.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1559068430 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.188.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1559069183 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1559069235 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advancement of solid state is amazing. when I was a child, little girls had shoes with red leds built into the side of their soles, flashing red at every step they took. now little girls have shoes with multi-colored leds built into them, which can flash in various colors including blue. < 1559069302 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one of those were transported back in time, the little girl who wore them would be an envy of all their classmates < 1559069317 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/an envy/the envy/ < 1559069342 0 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.188.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: :D < 1559069539 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1559069589 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue leds and blue lasers, totally magical < 1559069632 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1559069648 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when blue LEDs were expensive and so they were a mark of high quality equipment < 1559069658 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they became cheap and now every cheap shit from china is covered in unreasonably bright blue LEDs < 1559069674 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps "high quality" is the wrong word but "expensive" anyway. think early 00s Sony < 1559069704 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past I had a computer case with a blue LED and I had to put a resistor in series to dim it < 1559069752 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what's also pretty cool is that you can buy RGB (or RGBW) leds like WS2812 in a standard 5050 package that have a controller chip on-board, so you can build a whole string of them and control them all individually with one data line < 1559069799 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has made projects with many LEDs tremendously less of a pain in the ass and has lead to a boom in the amount of Burning Man style blinky LED art (we have some of that in public areas in SF, it's pretty cool) < 1559069808 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Seoul it seemed every skyscraper was covered in RGB LEDs < 1559069832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soles and seoul < 1559069856 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's the protocol like? two power, one data? two power, one data, one clock? one power, one data? < 1559069888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jade plate, six eight < 1559069898 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cheese < 1559069899 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: power, ground and async serial (meaning it has precise timing requirements) < 1559069899 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheese? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1559069913 0 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sxnrgfcxekccxbzb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1559069923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC even RS-232 can be driven without a clock < 1559069933 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember offhand how many pins are actually necessary, but it isn't very many < 1559069934 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/datasheets/WS2812.pdf < 1559069943 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: RS-232 is *always* async < 1559069947 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is to send small bursts of clock signals in between the data so that the receiver can resync < 1559069951 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1559069967 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still async in my book, but with a method for one side to derive the clock < 1559069979 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't arbitrarily change the timing between any two bits like you can with SPI < 1559069987 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be called pleisiosynchronous < 1559069999 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way to do that is Manchester encoding < 1559070006 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used that for a project with a single unidirectional data line < 1559070014 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have a sheet of paper over the blue led of my voltage spike filtering electric socket thingy that is always on because the computer and the router are plugged into it < 1559070029 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WS2812 has built in PWM control with 8 bits x 3 or 4 channels of dimming < 1559070049 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means a full framebuffer is actually outside the RAM capacity of many microcontrollers, depending of course on how many LEDs you have < 1559070076 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do something with the WS2812 rolls I bought last year.. < 1559070082 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the protocol given there is bizarre < 1559070089 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold times are different for 0 bits and 1 bits < 1559070098 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it seems a bit funky < 1559070098 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah *shrug* < 1559070103 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wacky < 1559070106 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can get libraries for most platforms < 1559070116 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even drive it from Raspberry Pi, taking advantage of the built in PWM and DMA hardware < 1559070164 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-Wire seems to also have fixed timing < 1559070205 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few cool things about 1-wire: a) each device has a unique 64-bit ID b) you can have arbitrarily many on the same bus, limited only by electrical characteristics < 1559070211 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that the protocol simplifies the circuitry in the decoder somehow < 1559070216 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) you can multiplex power and data onto the same line if desired < 1559070219 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, RS-232 uses a data line where a byte can be delayed by any amount of time, but within the byte, the bits are placed at fixed time offsets after the leading edge of the byte < 1559070239 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1559070244 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with RS-485 and RS-422 < 1559070250 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need hardware that can interpret data with flexible timing anyway to read disks or casettes < 1559070258 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they've had those ages ago < 1559070263 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are pretty much the same "link layer" on top of a different hardware layer (full or half duplex differential signalling) < 1559070274 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not too surprising that it's done on communication lines like ethernet in modern hardware < 1559070316 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1559070322 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can expect an ethernet device to have a precise clock < 1559070325 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :RS-232 is simpler because it uses fixed times for the bits rather than flexible times < 1559070331 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much for a tiny cheap micro running off an internal RC oscillator < 1559070345 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously there's some tolerance because the sending side holds each bit for a short time, < 1559070352 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not adaptive to different speeds < 1559070360 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the casette and disk need to be < 1559070432 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen designs for combining RS-232/485 and power on the same wires < 1559070482 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by applying a DC offset, and AC-coupling the data at the other end, while drawing power through a series inductor < 1559070492 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what surprises me is the "power over ethernet" protocol. the power goes through two separate wires that are in addition to the four for normal ethernet. that's not the surprising part. the surprising part is that they send an immense amount of power through thin wires and tiny connectors. < 1559070526 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's why it uses 48 volts < 1559070545 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it's only about an amp per conductor < 1559070552 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still seems like a lot, yeah < 1559070558 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most telecom stuff uses 48V < 1559070567 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as server racks that do DC power with in the rack < 1559070572 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have claimed to demonstrate devices doing impossible things, e.g. producing more output than the power they're given as input, it's suspected that the results were faked via putting a DC offset on the live wire (which an AC-measuring voltmeter wouldn't see) < 1559070585 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1559070594 0 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of RF amplifiers are powered through a DC offset on either the input or the output < 1559070596 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, in general there's an obvious trend for connectors to use fewer and fewer wires < 1559070650 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see it in USB, SD cards, SIM cards < 1559070728 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the WS2812 though < 1559070742 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has obnoxiously slow pwm and I can see the pwm artifacts < 1559070775 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: PoE uses the center taps of the transformer < 1559070804 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it *can* use the spare pairs if it’s a 10/100 device... but there are no spare pairs with gigabit Ethernet < 1559070810 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI and Displayport have fewer wires than DVI too < 1559070881 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: from the side of your eyes, or even when looking directly at it? < 1559070888 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/eyes/vision/ < 1559070904 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when moving my eyes < 1559070909 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1559070944 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :apa102 are much better, and have an easier protocol (basically just regular spi) too < 1559071019 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh. It just immediately segfaults in std::thread::detach by jumping to 0. I think this isn't going to be something I can feasibly fix over the phone. < 1559071043 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't be back home until next weekend though. < 1559071072 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1559071087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll backfill the logs later, but it's going to stay down for now. :/ < 1559071104 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for trying though < 1559071107 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :PoE is so good < 1559071149 0 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfetsubgsxpxqelz PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://goo.gl/photos/vT8E1EMwJc16TFfHA < 1559072975 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1559075167 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1559075569 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer having more wires if it reduces latency < 1559075580 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically for video connectors < 1559075637 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more wires normally improves throughput rather than latency < 1559075648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it depends on the protocl < 1559075649 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*protocol < 1559075659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be a small latency improvement but typically only one words' worth < 1559075665 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1559075694 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking the improvement would be by having less muxing < 1559075748 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess it depends on how much of the throughput is actually used in common circumstances < 1559075760 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that all of it would be, but you'd get an improvement if the throughput is mostly not used < 1559075785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it allows you to use your additional throughput to save latency if you've been idle for a while and suddenly have to send messages to a lot of sources at once < 1559075791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, destinations, not sources < 1559075845 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, at a practical level, these thinner wires and smaller connecters are flimsy < 1559075896 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :micro-displayport or whatever it's called < 1559075963 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had a video connector fray before < 1559078035 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bruce lee < 1559078036 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruce lee? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1559078038 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bruce Lee < 1559078039 0 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruce Lee? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1559078723 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559078741 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a002d4473173a77e76d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1559078964 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1559079969 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1559080283 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1559080543 0 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1559081121 0 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1559081469 0 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559081631 0 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1559081632 0 :Lord_of_Life_!?@? NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1559081816 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a002d4473173a77e76d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1559081947 0 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:4089:c173:f6ab:abca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1559081995 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1559082022 0 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:68bd:aef4:a725:fe8c JOIN :#esoteric < 1559082078 0 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:68bd:aef4:a725:fe8c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1559082239 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1559082533 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98439.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559083217 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1559083694 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my understanding, a delimited continuation could be stored as two continuations - the point where the delimited continuation starts, and the point where it returns to its invoker. < 1559083725 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a delimited continuation be delimited, then, by two continuations that are themselves delimited? Does this make sense? (I'm not asking anyone, I'm just putting an idea forward.) < 1559084096 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1559084220 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1559084363 0 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:68bd:aef4:a725:fe8c JOIN :#esoteric < 1559084635 0 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:68bd:aef4:a725:fe8c QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1559085203 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98439.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1559085408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do constant-time sorts better than a sorting network with some kind of non-comparison sort? < 1559085429 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98439.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1559085555 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there, besides radix sort (which is obviously not an option) and comparison-based sorts (or min/max sort, if you want to have fixed control flow)? < 1559085630 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1559085653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can implement constant-time min/max using clever bitwise tricks if you don't have an instruction for them. < 1559085665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something like that can extend to more than two elements? < 1559085705 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess bogosort can be implemented in a side-channel free fashion ;-). < 1559085779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any instruction set that has a min+max instruction? < 1559086165 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1559086226 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel has vectorized min and max (separately) at least. < 1559086311 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1559086316 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess having a combined instruction would be hard for them... because otherwise, the architecture never has more than a single output register. < 1559086344 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's likely that even if there was a combined min/max instruction it would become 2 microops. < 1559086372 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for all I know, which is not too much) < 1559087285 0 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1559087820 0 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I have a suspicion that the esolangs.org/logs are not updating, what are your thoughts? < 1559087820 0 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: " fnord department for, well, one of nature's born fnord. why, hadn't he? to bes pelargic the empire's only proper seaport. < 1559087909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true. The bot crashed on that long wiki page rename.