< 1561681468 245439 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561681722 623397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1561682125 714840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah God disinherited Moses or something. News at 11. < 1561682534 127967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1561682655 902279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1561682657 650384 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:116) (in #irp) Flonk, ask on #esoteric? Sgeo: yeah well its C++, so not that esoteric :P \ 417) It's ok guys. I am doing what I can to keep my psyche and ego surviving. All the while the threat of ww3 looms, the mortality of family and friends(loved ones?) and sooner or llater my own mortality. \ 122) pikhq: it was fragrant with the scent of abomination. hear a speech declaring a holy war, is the man insane? some i < 1561682661 972965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1561682662 702108 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:diot missionary gets himself killed, some man writes some gibberish about the shape of a dragon, wonse?" \ 1103) aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening! \ 1156) boily: i'm robert fnord. here take a piece of freenode furniture < 1561683409 154654 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fgvrqpiytorrkdme JOIN :#esoteric < 1561684070 629532 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561684091 312224 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561684116 571168 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1561684228 81423 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1561684498 566177 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1561686008 279381 :uplime!uplime@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers NICK :^ < 1561687222 434897 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1561687706 741927 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1561687726 518178 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1561687972 214324 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1561691731 731576 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fgvrqpiytorrkdme QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1561699773 803233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63770&oldid=63767 5* 03A 5* (+279) 10/* Request */ > 1561699830 447959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63771&oldid=63770 5* 03A 5* (-25) 10 > 1561699863 511037 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63772&oldid=63771 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10/* Suggestion to FF alternative */ grm > 1561699967 478865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63773&oldid=63766 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* C++ Codegolfed */ Interesting. C++ has 91 dialects. > 1561700472 815606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63774&oldid=63773 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10/* C++ Codegolfed */ Broken when 0 is decremented < 1561701181 581651 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561702787 416269 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: misencephalobinea and encephalobineophobia? < 1561703017 884115 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sorry, those terms should have been directed at you, misencephalobinea for your condition, hatred of rather than fear < 1561703340 455532 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think I was focusing too much on the trees in Punctree. I don't quite get the zippers yet. "In this language there are no trees" throws me, I thought I understood how / \ ^ applied to trees, but haven't got the zipping. Diagrams help me visualise, but I'm not seeing the zippers for the trees < 1561704167 748938 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: based on our graph discussion the other day I have started working on on 2D string rewriting concept, which ends up being a kind of graph rewriting. User:Salpynx/Sator_Resatus < 1561704321 270843 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have somewhat rushed into it, and probably won't get to an interpreter anytime soon, but want to finish the syntax parser and 2D output (inTeX?) as well as get a better understanding of how the replacement rules should be applied. It's an experiment. < 1561704416 303613 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Thanks for the TinkerPop links. I've be looking into that as a general tool for more useful work. Are you a TinkerPop user, or just finding while researching graph concepts? < 1561704744 593358 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ixbelvdoswrqbheb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1561704760 294383 :Camto[m]!camtomatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qerougwmnrenvlnt QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1561704770 825004 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zadsdxeddlqlkcxy QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1561704774 160499 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hpqncsdzlgrwmfly QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1561704776 216394 :ivzem[m]!ivzemmatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-udpxjpfvzclvvtkh QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1561704897 346714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1561705242 838237 :Camto[m]!camtomatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gvqbhmnoinzyycdx JOIN :#esoteric < 1561706221 799991 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561706248 283131 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561706456 714483 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iymizcemcftxwygc JOIN :#esoteric < 1561706456 796671 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gggnwassuumezmap JOIN :#esoteric < 1561706463 940646 :ivzem[m]!ivzemmatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hpcerlpvlupcowhm JOIN :#esoteric < 1561706464 989436 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yuspijmvddxtzhfy JOIN :#esoteric > 1561706983 905636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63775&oldid=63762 5* 03A 5* (+306) 10/* Write some nonsense here */ < 1561708649 600343 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561708866 269965 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1561709188 606186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561709424 550073 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1561711206 267179 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1561711229 670484 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1561711454 905177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63776&oldid=63775 5* 03A 5* (+271) 10 < 1561713832 945825 :Soni|AntiMatrix!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 NICK :Soni < 1561714949 322988 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561715200 584571 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1561716785 62579 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1561718834 712431 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561719080 630170 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yidazxnjiqzcoooa JOIN :#esoteric < 1561720197 237459 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561720865 676076 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1561721187 243552 :user24!~user24@p2E50C34D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1561721293 242639 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561721404 522944 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:2443:98f0:eb8c:c01:bda5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1561721763 231594 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1561721795 597230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EML14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=63777 5* 03A 5* (+698) 10Created page with "[[EML]] stands for English-based Meta Language. It was created to help beginners to understand the syntax of a language without special help. ==Examples== ===Describe EML.===..." > 1561721808 46706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63778&oldid=63777 5* 03A 5* (+18) 10 > 1561721822 96210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63779&oldid=63778 5* 03A 5* (+17) 10/* Describe EML. */ > 1561721908 584817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63780&oldid=63779 5* 03A 5* (+67) 10 > 1561722085 131024 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63781&oldid=63780 5* 03A 5* (-48) 10/* Describe EML. */ > 1561722106 501130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63782&oldid=63781 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Describe EML. */ < 1561726351 797333 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561726529 305506 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1561726972 266596 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1561727421 453275 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561727457 376225 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yidazxnjiqzcoooa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1561727512 583959 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1561727512 893278 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1561728688 434461 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1561728946 267739 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1561729007 564962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63783&oldid=63772 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+174) 10 > 1561729760 111066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63784&oldid=63783 5* 03A 5* (+317) 10 > 1561729937 670838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63785&oldid=63768 5* 03A 5* (-268) 10I am starting to wonder whether my version is valid or not. < 1561731496 268975 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dsmkbdssubdswber JOIN :#esoteric < 1561733515 239525 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1561734340 217481 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1561735067 577363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ThisIsTheFoxe14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=63786 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+1409) 10Created my profile page.... < 1561735121 237616 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561735992 916139 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1561737636 599193 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1561738615 226183 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1561740453 715048 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1561740891 78829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Cathedral of Chalesm < 1561740892 159777 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cathedral of Chalesm? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ > 1561741026 78995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DubDubMachine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=63787 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+4013) 10I created this Page for the 3rd time now. Pls work!! And pls fix that bug when you edit and are logged out that is warns you to save EVERYTHING!! > 1561741172 6497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DubDubMachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63788&oldid=63787 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+19) 10ed > 1561741234 523089 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DubDubMachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63789&oldid=63788 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+0) 10either i'm dumb or too tired.. sorry last change is the same as this: Change the link of the author > 1561741284 11126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DubDubMachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63790&oldid=63789 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+19) 10aaaand another one.. > 1561741451 751798 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DubDubMachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63791&oldid=63790 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+72) 10added brakelines
? < 1561741917 542773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1561742443 622660 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1561750353 764012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1561750612 934187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1561752008 840199 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 608 seconds < 1561755249 961587 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561757150 958187 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dsmkbdssubdswber QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1561758025 109368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1561758079 885227 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1561758757 623320 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1561760340 731726 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561760542 753096 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1561760810 2353 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.156.180 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1561761251 973192 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbkivqjmnrvmmnjr JOIN :#esoteric < 1561761303 362241 :ineiros!~itniemin@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1561761620 241737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1561761711 924408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was having trouble with the hard drive. I tried changing the superblock setting and now it boots, although I want to copy the files to DVDs as soon as possible. < 1561762167 454166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the --numeric-owner option be used when making and restoring backups for use when they must be restored without the /etc/passwd and so on available? < 1561762195 678652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the -S option should also be used. (I used both options last time, so probably I should use them now, too) < 1561762220 595210 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.246.108.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1561762396 267796 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1561762809 866132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to tell tar to only copy files newer than a specific date? < 1561762889 817621 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1561762951 274246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a previous backup, and I wrote the date on them: 2018-03-22. So, if I can only backup files modified after 2018-03-21 then it should be suitable. < 1561763127 756919 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can probably use find ... -print0 | tar --null -I - iirc < 1561763141 253455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be -T instead of -I , I don't recall the syntax on top of my head < 1561763146 724160 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it, that makes the xkcd true < 1561763164 709516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually good enough with invoking tar, though annoyed that --no-same-owner --no-same-permissions is so long < 1561763175 90110 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you need an extra option to turn off recursion, or else -I is really silly < 1561763178 232387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo why is software so bad < 1561763178 720603 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1561763191 104609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it beats 7z's argument parsing any time < 1561763216 986382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was certainly not claiming that there's no worse software out there < 1561763243 564815 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I like 7z in general, just not its command-line interface. I should eventually modify its source to keep the core but make the command-line saner or something. < 1561763266 953677 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar -c --null --no-recursion -T - < 1561763285 275399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually use tar|7z for my backups < 1561763299 119623 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that -T thing to tell which files to include < 1561763336 934857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use just 7z, because it doesn't save unix file attributes, and it acknowledges that in the docs clearly < 1561763338 701627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think you mean -T which I have just specified now anyways. (Although I did not specify the date; since I did not do so, it will copy everything, but it should still fit hopefully. If it does not, I will try again with the date) < 1561763341 419849 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tar does, and I can pipe it < 1561763345 386718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tar has a few options for directly including only new files; --newer and --newer-mtime. < 1561763350 517892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_section/tar_52.html < 1561763390 690212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I use https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=922051 to split the backup to archives around size 100 megabytes (size varies, because I measure uncompressed size, and even that only approximately) < 1561763396 189246 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I can split it up to DVDs then < 1561763404 281685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using gzip for compression, since I know Partedmagic has gzip, but I am not so sure about 7z. < 1561763409 718586 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :store the full backup on hard disk between, though technically you could use multiple passes < 1561763573 951338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, I may have forgotten something: does tar read hidden files in subdirectories by default? < 1561763683 257140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind; I found hidden files listed when doing tar -t, such as ".npm/registry.npmjs.org/parse-rdf/.cache.json" so I can see that it does have them. < 1561763735 617176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: since I use --no-recursion -T - to feed a list of files, I don't think that question matters there < 1561763765 647362 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what matters is whether the program I use to generate the list of files includes them, and it does if you mean dotfiles < 1561763772 498714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. If I do it later with dates then I would need --no-recursion < 1561763776 437271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do mean dot files < 1561763882 397403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have set up a separate backup partition on the hard drive, which contains the compressed tape archives used for backup. Now I can put it on a DVD. < 1561763979 23575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since SMART attributes 197 and 198 have a nonzero raw value, then presumably I should copy it to a fresh hard drive as soon as possible, I think, or should I just make a backup and postpone copying to the new hard drive (until when?)? < 1561763988 864546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to make a backup regardless, though. < 1561764065 270020 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:2443:ccae:926b:8e0b:3158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561764224 463315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I alsoo used --ignore-failed-read; does it normally display error messages due to failed reads in such a case? I seem to remember that it does; this time I got no error messages. < 1561764479 97827 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1561764500 659773 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you sure it's not a hardware error that the hard disk is starting to have? < 1561764543 131484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may be some kind of hardware error. < 1561764601 164928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What command should I use to record it onto a DVD? < 1561764738 189158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMART attribute 198 is now 10, and attribute 197 is now 2 but it was as high as 13 before. < 1561764820 547280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current_Pending_Sector going down is expected... the sectors are rewritten, and potentially relocated (in which case Offline_Uncorrectable should go up?). < 1561764822 482728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably xorriso, but there are other programs that can do it too < 1561764999 996521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried growisofs now, but now it says file is too big (but -allow-limited-size would give it the correct file size with UDF but not ISO, if the file would fit on the DVD at all, which I am not quite sure of). < 1561765013 620109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Offline_Unforrectable is not going up; it remains at ten. < 1561765085 90746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH I'm unsure what that number really means. I'm more certain about the pending sectors... those are uncorrectable read errors... either because something disturbed the magnetization of the platter (alpha particles?) which can be fixed by rewriting, or because the magnetic material is somehow breaking down, in which case it can't be firxed. < 1561765102 419793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man page for genisoimage also says "UDF support is currently in alpha status and for this reason, it is not possible to create UDF-only images"; what should I do? Use UDF mode anyways? < 1561765124 270546 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(writes to neighbouring sectors are more likely to destroy a sector, I suppose) < 1561765165 507346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I will try anyways to record it in this mode (if it doesn't work, I have several more DVDs), and then try to read it back to see if it is working OK, I suppose. < 1561765295 322985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My previous backups are three DVDs: "Backup of /home", "Backup of /var", and "Backup of everything except /home and /var". (It won't fit everything on one DVD.) < 1561765385 773232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still use optical media? < 1561765392 982441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I do. < 1561765477 44114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno, my tar chunks are small enough to not encouter such a limitation < 1561765487 707275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a CD with Parted Magic < 1561765495 842486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but I still suggest xorriso < 1561765521 410222 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :install from source from http://libburnia-project.org/ < 1561765537 672964 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-84.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from distribution, whatever