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03:17:12 <zzo38> I wrote these (incomplete) rules to make up a new card game: https://arin.ga/5eqtil Do you have a comment of it please?
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05:15:04 * int-e wishes people would stop using the term "device verification" in a browser context. No, it's not a new device. Just a new browser session.
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05:34:37 <lambdabot> *** "device" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
05:34:40 <lambdabot> n 1: an instrumentality invented for a particular purpose; "the
05:34:42 <lambdabot> device is small enough to wear on your wrist"; "a device
05:34:52 <lambdabot> *** "instrumentality" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
05:34:52 <lambdabot> n 1: a subsidiary organ of government created for a special
05:34:54 <lambdabot> purpose; "are the judicial instrumentalities of local
05:34:56 <lambdabot> governments adequate?"; "he studied the French
05:35:12 <shachaf> oh man, "device" means nothing like what i thought it meant tdnh
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10:19:47 <fizzie> `` wn device -treen | paste
10:19:50 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.3516
10:19:52 <fizzie> There are a lot of devices.
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11:13:12 <HackEso> laver table//A laver table is a type of Welsh furniture primarily used for eating seaweed. \ Can cans can cans?
11:13:20 <HackEso> 929) <lexande> sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
11:13:34 <HackEso> paperless//In a paperless world, rock would never lose.
11:13:39 <HackEso> 454) <itidus20> software patents strike again <ais523_> that's got to be at least three times, now <ais523_> are they out yet?
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13:00:41 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64591&oldid=64582 * Sec-iiiso * (+205) /* Introductions */
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13:22:05 <HackEso> russia//Russia is a country so huge it manages to be so near to both Finland and Japan. It used to be part of the Soviet Union before Ronald Reagan destroyed it.
13:23:35 <arseniiv> conspiratorially synchronistic
13:23:48 <HackEso> dynamic-wind//dynamic-wind is the opposite of static-wind.
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13:50:56 <b_jonas> the air moving about is an essential feature of wind, so I don't think there's such a thing as static wind
14:02:01 <arseniiv> a wind with air velocities in each point constant in time?
14:03:06 <arseniiv> though I heard “wind” in dynamic-wind is a verb
14:03:44 <arseniiv> (though when I saw it first, I thought it’s a noun and didn’t get why there is a wind, dynamic moreso)
14:04:32 <arseniiv> (and I still don’t get what it does and when it’s needed as I don’t write in Scheme)
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18:12:22 <rain1> https://botsin.space/@worldsofzzt/102480754802233031
18:22:06 <zzo38> Do you like XYZABCDE.ZZT game?
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18:43:02 <zzo38> Did you make up a ZZT game?
18:52:04 <zzo38> Some people don't like some stuff in a ZZT game
18:52:28 <zzo38> Did you read the incomplete rules I wrote of card game by now?
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19:21:41 <rain1> XYZABCDE.ZZT is good yeah
19:21:46 <rain1> but i didnt get very fare
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20:22:42 <zzo38> rain1: How far did you get to?
20:23:12 <rain1> i think the bits ran up to me an killed me
20:23:17 <rain1> and i was dodging some bullets too
20:23:48 <b_jonas> oh... for a moment I thought the channel was talking about baba is you again
20:38:25 <zzo38> What bits ran up to you and kill you?
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21:38:05 <Hooloovo0> ok, so i thought I was close to beating BIY
21:51:30 <Hooloovo0> I'm working on 2 files, current one has 106, but has 3 more puzzles solved than the other (currently inaccessibale desktop) at (iirc) 109
22:00:44 <shachaf> Do you want spoilers about the number of puzzles?
22:00:58 <shachaf> Hmm, I guess just asking that question is a sort of spoiler.
22:17:38 <Hooloovo0> yeah, I think that's what I just realized
22:18:27 <b_jonas> which layer of secret levels did you find?
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22:20:08 <b_jonas> also, how many hours did you waste trying to find the secret level in the one zone that doesn't have one?
22:20:18 <b_jonas> pulling that on players is so evil, breaking the pattern that way
22:20:24 <b_jonas> everyone spends time trying to find it
22:22:08 <Hooloovo0> I think I'm on the second layer of levels, beat all of the first area zones (not 100%, but enough flowers)
22:22:37 <b_jonas> so have you unlocked new game plus yet?
22:23:39 <Hooloovo0> I didn't worry too much about the secret levels
22:24:09 <Hooloovo0> not sure what that is, so probably not
22:27:05 <shachaf> b_jonas: Which zone is that?
22:27:18 <b_jonas> shachaf: Mario zone in Game Boy Super Mario Land 2
22:28:01 <shachaf> This does seem like a classic b_jonasing.
22:28:15 <b_jonas> yeah, I guess it's like that
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22:39:53 <HackEso> fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
22:40:03 <shachaf> That doesn't look like gold.
22:40:08 <fizzie> That's not one of those six, no.
22:40:34 <shachaf> Do you like index notation?
22:42:31 <fizzie> As in Aᵢⱼ or something more?
22:44:08 <fizzie> I don't think I've ever used all four corners though.
22:44:32 <shachaf> I'm thinking of the kind with only superscripts and subscripts to the right.
22:48:19 <shachaf> Also specifically the kind where you can write things like A_i^j B_j^k
22:49:38 <b_jonas> how about overscripts and underscripts?
22:52:42 <b_jonas> you can use those as an extra two positions
22:52:46 <shachaf> I'm specifically talking about tensors here.
22:52:49 <b_jonas> besides right superscripts and right subscripts
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22:52:54 <shachaf> (And also other symmetric monoidal categories or whatever.)
22:53:00 <b_jonas> oh, for tensors you probably use only superscripts and subscripts
22:53:29 <shachaf> You can also use superduperscripts nd subdubscripts.
22:54:13 <shachaf> A subdubscript is the text written in subdubtitles, which are subtitles for a video that's been dubbed.
22:55:34 <shachaf> I sure wish I understood what linear algebra trace is.
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22:58:37 <arseniiv> shachaf: do you mean on some higher level, or on an ordinary basic level?
23:00:12 <shachaf> Hmm, I understand the level that says "sum of eigenvalues" (or "sum of diagonal").
23:00:56 <fizzie> `` wn trace -over | sed -e '/^5/p;/verb/Q;d'
23:00:57 <HackEso> 5. (1) trace -- (either of two lines that connect a horse's harness to a wagon or other vehicle or to a whiffletree)
23:01:10 <fizzie> I mean, it mentions lines.
23:02:54 <arseniiv> ah okay, I think it would be a basic coordinate-bound level or so. For linear operators realized as elements of V ⊗ V* the trace is just a covector-vector pairing map, and for other tensors of form W1 ⊗ V ⊗ W2 ⊗ V* ⊗ W3 it’s just that first trace appropriately lifted
23:03:25 <shachaf> arseniiv: It seems to me that trace should be related to fixed points, but I'm not quite sure what the connection is.
23:03:35 <arseniiv> I’ll tell it in a less laconic way after sleeping if no one says anything
23:03:48 <arseniiv> hm I don’t think it should relate
23:04:12 <shachaf> For example in most other traced monoidal categories trace is related to fixed points.
23:04:35 <shachaf> And the string diagram notation is very suggestive.
23:05:03 <shachaf> Or the index notation. If you think of A_i^j B_j^k as connecting A's "output" to B's "input", then you should think of A_i^i as connecting A's "output" to its own "input".
23:05:06 <arseniiv> maybe a trace of (1 − A) is? As (1 − A)x = 0 sometimes gives fixed points x of A if any
23:05:37 <shachaf> An eigenvector is a generalized fixed point, of course. So there's some connection between eigenvalues and fixed points in any case.
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23:06:12 <arseniiv> yeah, maybe there should be some not-so-obvious fixed point sense here, then
23:06:50 <shachaf> I also don't really know what it means if (for example) the trace of a map is 0.
23:06:51 <arseniiv> okay I’ll be here tomorrow bye
23:07:39 <arseniiv> did you maybe read a book Linear algebra via exterior product, by Sergei Winitzki?
23:07:51 <arseniiv> there are some words about trace
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23:08:11 <shachaf> arseniiv: Oh, I know Sergei.
23:08:17 <shachaf> I don't remember whether I asked him this question.
23:08:30 <arseniiv> shachaf: also thank you though it’s almost morning
23:09:16 <arseniiv> it encourages coordinate-free things but it also has index notation
23:10:02 <shachaf> arseniiv: Index notation is coordinate-free!
23:10:40 <shachaf> See this nice paper by Penrose: http://homepages.math.uic.edu/~kauffman/Penrose.pdf
23:11:36 <shachaf> Or maybe just this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_index_notation
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23:33:14 <HackEso> don'taskdon'ttelllist: quintopia myname int-e
23:51:07 <zzo38> Did anyone else read my incomplete card game document yet?