00:04:55 <zzo38> How common is it to use scientific method to try to determine the behaviour of proprietary software?
00:13:00 <zzo38> The documentation for Hero Mesh mentions what many things do, and also has a section about the internal code structure, but they mention many things which are untrue or which are unclear. I have figured out how a lot of the stuff actually works; this can be used with making Free Hero Mesh.
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01:50:30 <int-e> shachaf: I have only read the title. :P
01:52:47 <shachaf> I didn't even get that far!
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02:34:59 <int-e> shachaf: okay I got something out of reading the informal description (Section 4).
02:35:18 <int-e> about 1 1/2 pages.
02:36:26 <int-e> And they have benchmarks where they beat Erlang. I have no clue how fair these are.
02:59:04 <zzo38> Now I made it so that if a word ends with 's then it will parse 's as a separate word.
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13:54:02 <arseniiv> hi; are quantum logics/sets useful for anything? It seems to me it’s way more proper to use a language of QM or QFT and say things there. And if some things we cannot say, then so be it
13:55:40 <arseniiv> I think these are akin to various fuzzy formalisms: may be popular, but it isn’t a valid shortcut through a “normal” mathematics, as probability/statistics (almost always, I think) are for fuzziness
13:57:51 <arseniiv> in statistics, we are forced to be explicit about what we assume, to get something in return. We can make ad-hoc assumptions, but we’ll reap something tangibly linked to what we sown (or so I think); contrarily, we can ad-hoc all the way in fuzzy world and I don’t understand how to make something with a clear semantics
14:00:34 <arseniiv> or maybe not that; AFAIK fuzziness tries to reason about uncertainty without concerning dependence. And then it is ad-hoc’ed back in all other places to make this or that inference mechanism working
14:02:07 <arseniiv> I very strongly hope I’m misdirected about that, but alas it seems I am not. Junk science does exist, after all, here and there
14:03:51 <arseniiv> so, for quantum logics I also don’t know what do their authors trying to accomplish with them, though in this case I’m less primed to think so polarized
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16:28:29 <zzo38> Fortunately, to implement Free Hero Mesh, there are a lot of test cases; each level made for Hero Mesh is a test case; they always include solutions, so this can be used to test it.
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18:54:30 <zzo38> Is there something like OpenID but with SASL instead and not HTML?
19:27:37 <arseniiv> doesntthiswork: these ducks are cool!
19:46:11 <zzo38> Will they add later in SQLite the possibility that you can use incremental blob I/O with virtual tables?
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