> 1564704281 483949 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64967&oldid=64966 5* 03A 5* (+166) 10/* Concern */ < 1564704868 621252 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :also_uplime < 1564705569 430497 :also_uplime!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera < 1564707495 875481 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1564707901 316511 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :πŸ€” . o O ( the inverse image of 0 under x -> x^2 has two elements, but both of them are 0. ) > 1564709321 621780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Forget14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64968&oldid=64954 5* 03IAmAnIssu 5* (+389) 10Added new instructions + cat program < 1564709827 214435 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jpcxqydtxpoprjui QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1564710253 979244 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pfpxzzjpqwyehavd JOIN :#esoteric < 1564710293 114697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett[m]: If you're representing complex numbers by a pair of computable reals, I expect a positive answer, mainly because computable reals are specified in terms of infinite computations. If you have to pick a *rational* complex number (in finite time) then this becomes a potentially interesting problem... < 1564710365 739887 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, here's what I had in mind. < 1564710398 673601 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "machine" consists of a particular rational function with rational complex coefficients. < 1564710415 498735 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :The input is a rational complex number, and executing the machine consists of repeatedly applying the function to the input. < 1564710460 771837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I'd be happier with saying Q*Q -> Q*Q rather than R*R -> R*R :) < 1564710493 286137 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "halting basin" which consists of... let's say it has to consist of an open ball with a rational complex center and rational radius. < 1564710522 748898 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :The machine halts if and only if the state enters the halting basin at some point. < 1564710546 791597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, is the Mandelbrot set connected? I thought not... < 1564710553 680909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1564710559 711522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't matter. Sorry. < 1564710566 179933 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is... is that an open problem? < 1564710573 882854 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely seems like it's path-connected, but maybe that's not known. < 1564710588 535064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett[m]: I have never looked at this formally. < 1564710678 880368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just played with fractint ages ago and thought that it looked disconnected with mandelbrot islands everywhere. But that may well be misleading... rendering would miss narrow paths. < 1564710745 488609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the map x -> x^2 + 1 is not injective, so there's at least a potential of producing islands. < 1564710746 390712 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's been proved that the Mandelbrot set is connected. < 1564710764 864826 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm fractint < 1564710818 105852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the early 1990s the program was the definitive fractal generating program for personal computers." < 1564710916 841517 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1564710927 706841 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember playing with it at my grandpa's house as a kid < 1564710929 148954 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun < 1564710939 390023 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS program < 1564711174 685484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I'm misremembering what exactly the Mandelbrot set is. < 1564711221 867599 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, don't listen to the johnathan coulton song < 1564711225 368470 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he defines it wrong :P < 1564711294 908740 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember coding a mandelbrot set renderer in TI-83 BASIC < 1564711315 92860 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took about half an hour to render a 4 color greyscale image (shown by rapidly switching between stored monochrome images) < 1564711403 320464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere the display supports 4 level, although this cannot be done with the built-in system. < 1564711424 34189 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the cycling looks a lot better if you do it in assembly < 1564711437 822192 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm games for the TI-83 had greyscale and relatively high framerate graphics < 1564711459 412811 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic command to recall a stored picture was slow enough that you couldn't really do flicker free greyscale < 1564711459 574041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, definitely it would be faster < 1564711469 545767 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only dipped my toe into TI-83 assembly though < 1564711471 468704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is wasting CPU cycles on finding smooth numbers... < 1564711504 437239 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you could do C as well, using sdcc, but I'm not sure how many people have < 1564711513 652834 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for TI-89 the TIGCC toolchain was pretty popular < 1564711518 752248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have TI-92, although only used the built-in system. It is slow, but at least it has a full keyboard and also a built-in programming environment. < 1564711519 360363 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never quite got it working though :? < 1564711527 12702 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a TI-92 at a hamfest recently < 1564711529 367822 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for nostalgia reasons < 1564711533 571284 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I might do something with it one day < 1564711541 448074 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-89/92 basic is much more powerful than TI-83 basic < 1564711595 102082 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(challenge: Find a number larger than (10^50-1)/9 = 111...111 (50 ones) that is only divisible by the first 27 primes (2..103) and is as small as you can make it. (If you can find the minimum that would be impressive, but I can't.)) < 1564711647 801311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it is still slow. There are things that can be done to improve the speed a bit, though, such as using the sort commands for shuffling (kind of like using "ORDER BY RANDOM()" in SQL) < 1564711654 600171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This resulted from a question on ##math two days ago and I've already spent quite some effort on this.) < 1564711692 10207 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: interesting < 1564711915 848544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1564712062 436229 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :So essentially, find the smallest linear combination of log(2), log(3), log(5), ..., log(103), with nonnegative integer coefficients, which is larger than log(111...111)? < 1564712136 288336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure if you want to deal with irrational numbers :) < 1564712243 374320 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem has got to have a name. < 1564712261 812884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(double precision is not enough for this) < 1564712936 166286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tbf, as far as I can make up, double precision is just barely not enough. So playing around with that should be perfectly fine.) < 1564713147 89792 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use arbitrary-precision integers. < 1564714232 225445 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1564714589 572097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish Joust14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64969&oldid=64926 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+308) 10/* Contest controller */ > 1564714771 267478 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64970&oldid=64861 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+43) 10/* Implicit Input */ new section > 1564716247 16615 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64971&oldid=64211 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+412) 10/* Special Bits */ > 1564716341 929137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64972&oldid=64971 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+163) 10/* Implicit Input */ < 1564716741 471572 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hvwzwrrcnxtjvuhr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1564719108 369317 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqgrkqxxhizusmco JOIN :#esoteric < 1564719826 198376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1564720678 632491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish Joust14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64973&oldid=64969 5* 03A 5* (+123) 10 > 1564721151 492721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64974&oldid=64970 5* 03A 5* (+245) 10 > 1564721202 624926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64975&oldid=64974 5* 03A 5* (+1233) 10/* Backwards compatibility issue and lengthy code issue */ > 1564721211 792378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64976&oldid=64975 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10/* Backwards compatibility issue and lengthy code issue */ > 1564721228 667559 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64977&oldid=64976 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Backwards compatibility issue and lengthy code issue */ > 1564721338 247707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64978&oldid=64977 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Backwards compatibility issue and lengthy code issue */ My brain is a lot worse in the day than in the night. > 1564721618 484046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64979&oldid=64978 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10/* Backwards compatibility issue and lengthy code issue */ < 1564721631 334976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1564721960 78944 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64980&oldid=64972 5* 03A 5* (+245) 10/* Special Bits */ This might be implemented. However, I will see how JonoCode9374 reacts. > 1564722023 786925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64981&oldid=64980 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* No EOI's after inputs */ < 1564722302 48698 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.180.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1564724406 740872 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1564724430 379714 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1564725420 610316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain < 1564725451 316170 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. > 1564725517 163731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64982&oldid=64979 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Backwards compatibility issue and lengthy code issue */ > 1564726746 170183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What Mains Numbers?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64983&oldid=64866 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Implementations */ Cosmetics > 1564731148 616897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ACL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64984&oldid=64925 5* 03Hanzlu 5* (+33) 10 < 1564731741 447726 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqgrkqxxhizusmco QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1564732248 946112 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1564733084 638947 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1564733233 135159 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1564733258 945375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64985&oldid=64981 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Cat program */ There is implicit input now. > 1564733326 765426 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64986&oldid=64985 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10/* Example Programs */ Find and add implicit imput if possible. > 1564733474 487105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64987&oldid=64986 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Truth-machine */ In my PR, Keg also takes one line of input if it tries to duplicate an empty stack. Now I can save 1 byte. < 1564733817 818159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1564735362 328375 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning. I think the following default assumptions hold: If I have an esolang and I don't say outright that its programs can be infinite, they can't be. If I do say outright that they can be infinite, but I don't say they need not be computable, they must be computable. < 1564735477 985414 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have time I'll try to make an esowiki page about infinite programs. < 1564735960 506631 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the more frustrating things about language design is, you start designing a language, and you get to a point where there are several options, and each option has interesting implications that you would like to explore, but they might go in a different direction than your original idea < 1564736064 827479 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should you ignore them and try to get to your original goal, or should you go down them and end up with something you have no good idea how it will turn out? > 1564737888 980666 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64988&oldid=64852 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+50) 10/* pxemi.7z and text2pxem.pl */ > 1564738573 874736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64989&oldid=57940 5* 03A 5* (+81) 10 > 1564738665 69131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64990&oldid=62309 5* 03A 5* (+133) 10 < 1564738968 450655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should computability be a requirement? < 1564739006 478034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a language interpreter can just get an oracle representing a program without caring how it works. < 1564739040 841158 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assumption about what you allow, rather than a requirement. If you want your language to accept uncomputable reals in input you should say so, that's all. < 1564739165 919639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess whether it seems unnatural depends on how you specify infinite programs. > 1564739254 675507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64991&oldid=64988 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+236) 10/* pxemi.7z and text2pxem.pl */ < 1564739535 4409 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a language accepts uncomputable infinite programs, it doesn't seem to make much sense to ask whether that language is Turing-complete. It can do the triviallest things yet still produce output that a TM never could. > 1564739776 330457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64992&oldid=64991 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+608) 10/* pxemi.7z and text2pxem.pl */ < 1564741086 549615 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs JOIN :#esoteric < 1564741092 350402 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1564741153 525397 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi andrewd3 < 1564741179 231525 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you that guy who implemented deadfish in deadfish cafe {:} < 1564741210 590601 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure did that thing < 1564741215 795246 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1564741220 678687 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :special meeting < 1564741249 489934 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what eso stuff have you done recently < 1564741331 618180 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :if any < 1564741346 110768 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not terribly much. A string-rewriting language that looks and acts like a concatenative language. < 1564741368 638424 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I actually started a long time ago, only finished it up this year. < 1564741375 69757 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that you posted at a palinfdromic time < 1564741376 912852 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:22:21 < 1564741457 36888 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1564741480 866674 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc or more moder nstuff < 1564741591 759318 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote now on your phones < 1564741622 344392 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "Find a number larger than (10^50-1)/9 that is only divisible by the first 27 primes and is as small as you can make it" => nice, that looks tractable > 1564741625 90737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ACL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64993&oldid=64984 5* 03A 5* (+232) 10/* Example Code */ < 1564741642 793499 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrewd3: I've got Opera Mini on my phone. Very advanced stuff < 1564741654 183172 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1564741663 908757 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can you make smaller versions of that problem for which you can find an exact solution, as testcases? < 1564741668 487418 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/make/define/ < 1564741694 720552 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing to make this better would be if ais523 exploded from the sky and that guy named urban who made BF would send himself back to esos for a while < 1564741701 400134 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :(urban works for search.ch now) < 1564741822 600111 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :eso idea: eso using the commands 123456789A (the digits of bijective base 10) whose source is interpreted as an integer in bijective base 10 < 1564741836 178770 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is how many characters the source needs to be for the program to run as it does < 1564741847 14944 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :a family of these actually, using different bijective bases < 1564741876 948921 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: languages with infinite inputs => I think we talked a bit about the case of Waterfall Model. The default version is to allow only rational numbers. If you allow any real number in the program, then you can encode any infinite bit sequence in a way that the program can extract (slowly). < 1564741901 707589 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea could work < 1564742212 266751 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea: make a language that is one big formula < 1564742471 754752 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, you did scale that well. it is somewhat above what's easy to solve, but very easy to verify, so it makes a good challenge < 1564742479 854853 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with the idea of bijective bases unfortunately < 1564742489 638958 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :bijective is basically without 0 < 1564742497 420483 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a bijective base is > 1564742646 611189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Incident14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64994&oldid=56758 5* 03B jonas 5* (+27) 10[[Category:Pattern-based]] < 1564742689 942443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1564742775 877423 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot > 1564743319 520176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64995&oldid=64982 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+13) 10/* Keg+ Backwards compatibility issue and Keg lengthy code issue */ < 1564743333 26467 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: language with the feature to twist a tape < 1564743597 810462 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat dead < 1564743695 145380 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is tape twisting supposed to mean < 1564743713 437821 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally take the tape and twist it < 1564743717 873191 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a half twist < 1564743722 799337 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke language idea i have < 1564743969 792470 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that be different to just having 2 tapes to switch between? < 1564743985 670150 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't < 1564743991 133804 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke idea < 1564743994 439153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you twist too much the tape can snap < 1564744004 123440 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it would just jam the drive < 1564744013 602691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can push twists around? < 1564744052 701081 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1564744060 864429 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also buy glue and make a mobius strip tape < 1564744064 221341 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :to work on < 1564744095 808837 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i say "manipulate the tape" i mean "play around with it like you would IRL" < 1564744173 804195 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i plan on adding bubble wrap to my language < 1564744175 322113 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a tape < 1564744318 632000 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb i don't understand what you mean < 1564744355 13535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x= => =x < 1564744362 402814 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushing twists would be fun for a dual-taped unifunge < 1564744374 785072 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1564744375 941668 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that < 1564744382 829207 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can push twists aroun < 1564744409 440958 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this depends on what tape you're using, if you're using duct tape it'll take quite a bit of work to untwist it < 1564744428 299818 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with befunge for this is its verbosity < 1564744440 264280 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhmm < 1564744446 575056 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand but mmhmm < 1564744447 802620 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1564744513 255365 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a lot of commands to manipulate a specific cell < 1564744609 499019 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dqbthxralylgghqi JOIN :#esoteric < 1564744721 347247 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is bad right? < 1564745441 817012 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1564745447 693378 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1564745627 994192 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have multiple tapes and multiple twists and can't push twists through other twists, you have Braid Theory < 1564745651 841364 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1564745817 535570 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, but if you add "theory" to anything, it starts to sound more impressive. I don't know why pseudosciences don't do it more often. < 1564745835 733684 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do make up for it by "quantum" < 1564745881 496367 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently learned about a set of seamingly magical frequencies that fix DNA errors while listening to them < 1564745887 191894 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hillarious < 1564745931 652701 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? seamingly < 1564745932 890772 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seamingly? Β―\(°​_o)/Β― < 1564745937 885171 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sea ming < 1564745938 876253 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sea ming? Β―\(°​_o)/Β― < 1564745940 267356 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1564745962 59304 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-ming < 1564745967 339183 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ming programed in C < 1564746196 608355 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braid Theory is just Knot Theory where your knot has been cut though and the strands are laid flat on a table < 1564746264 930909 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a first grade subject chris < 1564746266 594999 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know it < 1564746724 778324 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1564746799 233044 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's like a lemming or a sea mink < 1564746818 753399 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes > 1564747155 735489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:An Odd Rewriting System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64996&oldid=64792 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+686) 101D-1D-CA = [[2C]] < 1564747765 166271 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, the sea mink is extinct < 1564747787 801656 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do have lemmings though < 1564747790 76245 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put them to use < 1564747828 643282 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas joke programming language with lemmings? < 1564748611 523593 :andrewd3!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1564749828 562660 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zheng He was a sea ming > 1564751863 149383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64997&oldid=64995 5* 03A 5* (+265) 10/* Keg+ Backwards compatibility issue and Keg lengthy code issue */ < 1564752065 223490 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.180.92 JOIN :#esoteric > 1564752609 189522 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Echo Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64998&oldid=58417 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+5738) 10Turing-completeness proof (this is comparable to the flawed proof I was working on earlier, but fixed the flaw via placing padding in Encoding B so that the position of the tag system mod m is not lost while processing it) > 1564752673 969614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=64999&oldid=63785 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (-9) 10/* Instructions */ < 1564752683 572973 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? golay < 1564752684 632290 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :golay? Β―\(°​_o)/Β― > 1564752781 826701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf/Feature golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65000&oldid=64990 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+31) 10 < 1564752896 991194 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: at least Julia provides the div1 and mod1 functions for computing with 1-based indexes < 1564752934 615020 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs JOIN :#esoteric < 1564752946 331555 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the same andrew from before < 1564752979 563559 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrewd12: the same as andrewd3? you can't roll a 12 on a d3 < 1564753007 417270 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas i'm breaking the laws of reality however i want, mister < 1564753029 928519 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make a programming language that uses bubble wrap > 1564753213 730586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Golf/Feature golf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=65001 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+644) 10Tell User: A how Feature golf needs restrictions. > 1564753240 134011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Golf/Feature golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65002&oldid=65001 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1) 10 < 1564754916 792623 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof < 1564755087 563164 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone explain reversible computing? < 1564755272 615035 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n + 2 - 2 = n? < 1564755286 99743 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1564755287 499440 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1564755305 990614 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up myname < 1564755336 248578 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ [n=.10+?80 < 1564755336 877366 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 59 < 1564755347 342592 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1564755348 314044 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ (n + 2) - 2 < 1564755348 999774 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 59 < 1564755349 61104 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1564755353 757492 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ((n + 2) - 2) = n < 1564755354 473266 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 1 < 1564755358 16777 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems right < 1564755421 978402 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob < 1564755424 817497 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you made esos < 1564755704 974000 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.4 < 1564755950 175898 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: programming language that i forgot the specifications too < 1564755984 812126 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called c++ < 1564756014 375426 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but only i know the specifications and there is one program and ti has not comments > 1564756047 709353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65003&oldid=65002 5* 03A 5* (+240) 10 < 1564756066 929016 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up > 1564756280 52071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65004&oldid=65003 5* 03A 5* (+353) 10 < 1564756441 27492 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay > 1564756455 425945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf/Feature golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65005&oldid=65000 5* 03A 5* (+422) 10Old post added > 1564756473 286700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65006&oldid=65005 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* brainfuck */ W < 1564756479 66676 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1564756500 331039 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1564756517 17037 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a shorter attention span, as in, i expect more active forums > 1564756608 550125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65007&oldid=65004 5* 03A 5* (+48) 10 > 1564756702 509230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65008&oldid=65006 5* 03A 5* (+73) 10 > 1564756826 132053 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65009&oldid=65008 5* 03A 5* (+114) 10/* Competitive usage */ > 1564756948 600514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Golf/Feature golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65010&oldid=65007 5* 03A 5* (+307) 10 < 1564757242 540681 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1564757243 768829 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :progress > 1564757365 573868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Swissen Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65011&oldid=64618 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+21) 10 > 1564757593 960771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65012&oldid=64989 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1) 10/* See also */ > 1564757613 239175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65013&oldid=65012 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (-2) 10/* See also */ > 1564757870 574934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:Golfing language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65014&oldid=53187 5* 03A 5* (+102) 10 < 1564757910 130635 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :joosef swassen < 1564757977 279122 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose that the offical #esoteric 64-byte random number shall be 0x2508FFC710F11E6303996A6F4B6C4AA82D338DB394B15E63AA7A14FF4A57A67B2B1E1E27EC196DD0909721A5E70ADD90304C0E471EBFA5A0FEBBF05C0871D712 . < 1564758003 936567 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that numbert < 1564758026 544218 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's random, so there's no reason. < 1564758034 909615 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other random number would work just as well < 1564758185 811116 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about < 1564758202 948790 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x2500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000871D712 < 1564758204 316744 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, I recommend that the official #esoteric character set of 12 different characters for transmitting messages redundantly through a 7-bit serial line shall be: +,07HOSTafz} < 1564758220 138358 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore < 1564758247 463206 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way we can recover any 1-bit error and detect any 2-bit error, and if parity is used on the serial line, then we can also detect 3-bit errors. < 1564758271 526446 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend that the official #esoteric character set for transmitting 1 random character per 100 years be aofd>XMC{: < 1564758400 123112 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: that doesn't even let us detect one-bit errors < 1564758440 457610 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas it's random < 1564758586 136657 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1564758587 474994 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat ded < 1564758588 274779 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1564758898 377895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to transmit one random character per one 100 years? < 1564758912 918602 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1564758916 138235 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't question it < 1564758954 219647 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the invite to the esoteric language discord server? < 1564758958 202399 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know it zzo < 1564758983 798061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I prefer IRC < 1564758999 601217 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1564759148 380986 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep -REi discord wisdom < 1564759149 110240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is not such a complicated protocol, and does not require that you use only one possible service, and actually has other possibilities too. You can even use IRC without specialized software for it (although it is convenient to have special IRC software, to do auto pong and other stuff) < 1564759149 872587 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1564759159 292855 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ there's no such thing in the wisdom database < 1564759177 799139 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayyy zz < 1564759188 781534 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :your twoducks idea is cool < 1564759233 828086 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :we < 1564759267 910373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you add a NNTP for esolang on the esolangs.org server? < 1564759275 546902 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should there be a discord? there is absolutely no need for seperate channels < 1564759289 598476 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an NNTP < 1564759347 931831 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the irc channel is logged, so if someone wants to mirror its contents to a discord channel, I don't see a problem with it, feel free < 1564759362 240432 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a discord < 1564759367 291568 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's gone < 1564759379 528025 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was tryna get to lyricly but couldn't < 1564759468 745534 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1564759504 207058 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an early teaching version/impl of Haskell called "Gofer", apparenly this was short for "Good for equational reasoning" < 1564759541 504439 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know more obscure languages c < 1564759545 553745 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris* < 1564759555 164121 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might < 1564759564 585960 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages more obscure than C? < 1564759602 30411 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a tough one < 1564759602 237809 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1564759605 623162 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :obscure langs in general < 1564759620 568144 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niakwa Programming Language is pretty obscure < 1564759638 9468 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only seen references to it, never seen it itself < 1564759658 171590 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the *most obscure* < 1564759662 428019 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm challenging you here < 1564759697 413602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to program in Glulx? < 1564759709 763665 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1564759802 985025 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a research computer called MACHO designed (in the 60's or 70's) at the uni in my hometown. I imagine its instruction set is pretty darn obscure. < 1564759821 802299 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are probably the two obscurest languages I know of < 1564759839 135061 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna make a programming language where the data is on a literal tape < 1564759844 531210 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a random erro < 1564759852 792002 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YOUR WRITING ON THE TAPE WAS TOO UNINTELIGIBLE" < 1564759923 320028 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can cut up the tape < 1564759923 430648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that MACHO computer works? < 1564759931 119060 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can scratch it < 1564759933 884760 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything else < 1564759986 130826 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have (or had) the manual and I started scanning it, years and years ago, but never finished. I don't think the instruction set was very special. > 1564759992 851038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=65015 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+513) 10Created page with "'''256''' is a [[Stack]]-based [[esoteric programming language]] made by [[User: Areallycoolusername|Areallycoolusername]]. It was made for Code [[Golf]], and it's a Turing..." < 1564760030 477712 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, with a name like "MACHO" I think it must have been the 70's < 1564760061 581099 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :is zzo particularly famous in the eso community < 1564760064 942076 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if there *is* one) < 1564760101 91572 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1564760207 251385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1564760224 217001 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais < 1564760252 478465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1564760291 241855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have been online earlier – I was reading IRC – but freenode's web IRC thing no longer works at work (they have a new one that uses some sort of fancy connection that's blocked), so now ais523_ can only read, not send < 1564760315 113482 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :F < 1564760370 607089 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re Gofer, I was going to say, Haskell is good for equational reasoning, which is close to equational logic, which corresponds to universal algebra. I think this means Haskell is a term algebra (approximately speaking)? < 1564760371 321988 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's nethack work < 1564760391 588212 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to explore this idea, anyway < 1564760399 850147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't this the esoteric computer programming community? < 1564760416 646490 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it isn't < 1564760528 802026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrewd12: if you're interested in learning about NetHack I suggest asking in a NetHack-related channel < 1564760541 234985 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1564760543 582463 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just asking < 1564760549 386756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack is the "official" channel but fairly dead nowadays, #hardfought is where most of the discussion tends to be < 1564760574 244789 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for wrong channel < 1564760586 947362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what happened is that the NetHack community was split over a lot of channels with different people in various subsets, and #hardfought ended up with most of the people who mattered and so all the discussion migrated there) < 1564760596 846355 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't tell you how Nethack works. We can only tell you if Nethack is Turing-complete or now < 1564760598 737524 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1564760602 322803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK to post offtopic things here, you just might not get knowledgeable answers < 1564760607 13867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it isn't, much to my annoyance < 1564760619 173326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has any way to read arbitrary amounts of memory < 1564760622 405280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider this a bug :-D < 1564760623 619432 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so < 1564760627 711137 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais the dragon roared < 1564760636 621922 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone, to #hardfought soared < 1564760644 205668 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :he asked "WHY IS IT NOT TURING COMPLETE" < 1564760656 515249 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get answers from the Coding Elite < 1564760664 848137 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :they told him "dude, it's just a game" < 1564760677 722356 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're in dungeons, not searching for IT fame" < 1564760683 423125 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais realized he'd wastes his life < 1564760697 637160 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and backto #esoteric he ventured, in strife < 1564760701 177624 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a good poem < 1564760798 225661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally expect poems in here < 1564760813 512250 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1564760818 793184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been of varying quality < 1564760820 149802 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a thing i wrote on the spot < 1564760835 962712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a haiku a while back which was either thought-provoking or terrible depending on your point of view < 1564760846 241365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not written by me, by another channel regular) < 1564760861 150571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went something like this: "beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / sent from my iphone" < 1564760874 719507 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :haikus suck, man < 1564760907 781354 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one makes no sense, it's bad < 1564760912 252122 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :refrigerator < 1564761222 380538 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 what about that feather language < 1564761243 659852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't talk about Feather :-P < 1564761253 182524 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1564761258 58437 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather's a cool idea < 1564761261 466837 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we not talk about it < 1564761299 134052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally madness-inducing < 1564761304 78123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like it should work, but it doesn't < 1564761706 39667 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 QUIT :Quit: A la prochaine. < 1564761858 783088 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making feather? (nthe language name is "feather?) < 1564761862 349642 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :an approximation of feather < 1564761960 483450 :andrewd12!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs NICK :andrewtheircer > 1564763020 937995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hanzlu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65016&oldid=64945 5* 03Hanzlu 5* (+362) 10 < 1564764002 980172 :andrewtheircer!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1564764028 549348 :andrewtheircer!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs JOIN :#esoteric < 1564765063 386364 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1564765192 519045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1564765238 577623 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net as an alternate webchat < 1564765297 225595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is Nethack Turing-complete or now? < 1564765347 435839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1564765350 44282 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't think it has any way to read arbitrary amounts of memory" => um, do you mean like, per input command? > 1564765634 932040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ACL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65017&oldid=64993 5* 03Hanzlu 5* (+121) 10 < 1564765650 612543 :andrewtheircer!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :texas < 1564765711 723747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm thinking in terms of setting up some sort of self-perpetuating shain reaction < 1564765716 347523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chain reaction < 1564765778 533372 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but in what sense? can I put a weight on my . key? paste a longer constant command string repeatedly? < 1564765791 577168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just want between two commands? < 1564765799 184400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming no action from the player, maybe they're a blue jelly with an amulet of unchanging in a boulder fort < 1564765818 179284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can work too < 1564765831 898665 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trigger a bug in the travel command where it loops < 1564765876 981959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are two difficulties why this rarely or never happens, one is that nethack tries to be balanced in a way that reactions don't get exponential, the other is that there's too much randomness < 1564765889 978012 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to rely on the same thing happening all the time < 1564765916 177274 :andrewtheircer!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1564765918 601391 :andrewtheircer!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack eso < 1564766047 251831 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to imagine a StackFlow implementation in a variant, where you have like ten piles of corpses, a creature zaps a wand of undead turning (this doesn't happen) in a direction depending on the type of that creature, the beam rebounds from the walls (this also doesn't happen), hits the right pile, and revives the corpse on top of that pile < 1564766185 22517 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the first monster dies, but that's the easy part < 1564766518 460137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the hard part is that they have to be able to walk to multiple piles and leave specific other corpses as death drops there, before zapping the wand < 1564766541 603733 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess at that point I could just imagine Waterfall Model instead, but even then it just doesn't work out < 1564766813 16415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps data is stored by a large cyclic queue of monsters wondering around in a directed loop that involves a trapdoor and a stairs up, and a protagonist who has to keep climbing up and down the stairs < 1564767161 53978 :andrewtheircer!5d561e9e@93-86-30-158.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1564767250 83101 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 295.30*70 < 1564767250 724080 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 20671 > 1564767564 795478 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ACL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65018&oldid=65017 5* 03Hanzlu 5* (+1161) 10 < 1564767676 675871 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-106-184-179.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.4 < 1564767744 713384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brachylog 295.30×₇₀ < 1564767745 936289 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ true. < 1564767752 502054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brachylog 295.30×₇₀ẉ < 1564767753 588697 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20671.0 \ \ true. < 1564767769 273466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, was checking to see if there'd be a .0 (and indeed, if the number would parse correctly) < 1564767809 531699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brachylog 70×↙295.30αΊ‰ < 1564767810 555600 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ false. < 1564767819 112906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, I thought that might happen :-D < 1564767837 896904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brachylog 295.30×↙70αΊ‰ < 1564767838 984886 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20671.0 \ \ true. < 1564767952 765180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I realized last week where the name "brachylog" comes from. "brachy" means "short", and "log" is an abbreviation for "logic", the same one as used in "prolog" < 1564767958 917101 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should have been obvious < 1564768001 424505 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of the other golf languages or competitions seem to use "brachy" in their name > 1564768286 521618 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ACL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65019&oldid=65018 5* 03Hanzlu 5* (+1) 10 > 1564768807 968643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ACL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65020&oldid=65019 5* 03Hanzlu 5* (+123) 10 < 1564769996 232207 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs of Brachylog are rather unclear < 1564770391 247530 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-106-184-179.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1564771355 59518 :jussgirl!ac3a8890@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.172.58.136.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1564771361 34738 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the language design is ... odd too, definitely esoteric < 1564771368 628831 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a lot of things I don't understand from the docs < 1564771410 301467 :jussgirl!ac3a8890@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.172.58.136.144 PART :#esoteric < 1564774553 194869 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dqbthxralylgghqi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1564775544 538561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh wow there was more actix drama < 1564775838 377010 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's actix? < 1564776100 530510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http server library written in rust < 1564776133 524605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a dev who habitually switched off rust's safety checks at the drop of a hat and didn't understand how to write unsafe code at all < 1564776151 808466 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how that'd lead to drama < 1564776175 324400 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1564776213 988707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because he also had this incredibly defensive mentality towards the whole thing to the point where he'd just close pull requests fixing needlessly unsafe code and tell them to fuck off < 1564776314 993482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rust community cult of niceness doesn't let you say that this guy is being an antisocial dick and you shouldn't use his projects, at least without a bunch of white knights saying that you're horrible ungrateful people who are not worthy to persecute this titan of http libraries < 1564776387 196786 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1564776388 161008 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1564776422 515320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you will see to use the projects or don't, to see if the project is good for your use, rather than if the author is bad. < 1564776468 862693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is that even saying 'this project's code is too unsafe to use with any confidence' is then interpreted as an attack on the developer < 1564776524 1677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't very good, then. It shouldn't be interpreted as an attack on the developer. < 1564776544 80387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't very good < 1564776587 289851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you see emerging is a defence in depth strategy designed to prevent anyone from ever criticising any project < 1564776621 770193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the code is bad" "you should do something constructive and report issues rather than complaining" < 1564776654 757409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should indicate what is bad about the code, rather than just "the code is bad" < 1564776676 908075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the code is bad for these reasons" "it's open source, you should fix it yourself and submit pull requests" < 1564776694 746205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's a pull request" "i think the code is fine, closed" < 1564776720 546727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the author of that code disagree with other people who want it difference anyways, that is why, then you should fork it. < 1564776732 383404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the code is crappy and the developer won't fix it, don't use it" "wow why are you attacking this developer, don't you know they're working for free" < 1564776799 109252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the alternative is to don't use it, if you don't want to use. < 1564776812 208336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not want to fork it. < 1564776993 340767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk what they'll say if you fork but i imagine they'll have a fallback < 1564777294 738221 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1564778292 465038 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1564778948 504583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65021&oldid=40619 5* 03Hakr14 5* (+281) 10I made your tables look nice. < 1564779574 36773 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrxqirytfkcmwszx JOIN :#esoteric > 1564779935 600932 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=65022 5* 03A 5* (+666) 10Created page with "== People who don't know two golfing languages with different paradigms can not create a good golfing language == Uh-oh. You are trying to create another golfing language, but..." > 1564779989 804875 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65023&oldid=65022 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10 > 1564780057 896488 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65024&oldid=65015 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10Typos > 1564780159 147572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65025&oldid=65023 5* 03A 5* (+111) 10 > 1564780347 436413 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hanzlu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65026&oldid=65016 5* 03A 5* (+118) 10/* Rotating Cell Tape */ > 1564780470 728384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hanzlu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65027&oldid=65026 5* 03A 5* (+215) 10/* Rotating Cell Tape */ > 1564780577 736472 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65028&oldid=65021 5* 03Hakr14 5* (+603) 10I pressed save instead of preview... whoops < 1564780603 220431 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.180.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1564780789 890695 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hanzlu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65029&oldid=65027 5* 03A 5* (+74) 10/* Rotating Cell Tape */ < 1564781055 821483 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah < 1564781081 124752 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make a big deal about "technical criticism not personal attacks" but then interpret everything as the latter < 1564781095 150795 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed to criticise technical decisions (as long as you're sufficiently long-winded) but not the attitudes or behaviors that lead to them... as though decisions are made in a vacuum > 1564781246 47299 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65030&oldid=64997 5* 03A 5* (-1426) 10/* Keg+ Backwards compatibility issue and Keg lengthy code issue */ Merged, add new issue. < 1564782209 378097 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna design a 15.99967-bit CPU. Each register and each memory location will contain an integer in the range from 0 to 65520. < 1564782256 687668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the obvious thing to do is to have all code contributed anonymously so that personal attacks aren't possible, all you can criticise is the code because you can't know who wrote it < 1564782259 262284 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or equivalently, -32760 to 32760. < 1564782271 503178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that has problems in a different way, in that it may make people unwilling to contribute < 1564782337 307581 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that used to be more the norm in open source < 1564782348 431883 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now people use their real names cause they want to give talks and build their career on it < 1564782366 918757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically use my real name for copyright reasons < 1564782484 837433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you sure you will be unwilling to contribute? > 1564782492 72112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65031&oldid=65025 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+406) 10 < 1564782529 440221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose another possibility is to allow (but not require) anonymous contributions < 1564782541 878741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: me personally, maybe not < 1564782590 784765 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is once you use your real name you're also vulnerable to people coming after you for things you said elsewhere on the internet < 1564782595 750818 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've played that game and it sucks < 1564782602 844513 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's one reason i'm leaving open source < 1564782789 788790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept "ais523" separate from my real name for many years but the connection's probably too widely known at this point < 1564782799 836757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not had such problem, but, I don't care so much about that anyways. < 1564782825 421911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still work some open source stuff, mainly my own programs, although I put it into the public domain anyways > 1564783124 689323 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65032&oldid=64987 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Cat program */ < 1564783222 410902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah it's just this culture that presupposes that everyone will try to make personal attacks and that's the only thing that can go wrong > 1564783242 188046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65033&oldid=65032 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Cat program */ < 1564783283 203318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which surprise surprise is basically the exact general attitude that defensive prima-donnas take whenever their work is questioned > 1564783285 282065 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65034&oldid=65024 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1122) 10 < 1564783355 720370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my own projects I do allow you to post tickets anonymously if you want to do. > 1564783557 443910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65035&oldid=65031 5* 03A 5* (+361) 10 > 1564783672 721434 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65036&oldid=65035 5* 03A 5* (+61) 10 > 1564783842 796162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65037&oldid=65036 5* 03A 5* (+307) 10/* People who don't know two golfing languages with different paradigms can not create a good(competitive) golfing language */ > 1564784207 931578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65038&oldid=65034 5* 03A 5* (+185) 10In order to make me feel relaxed when I am writing the integers function... < 1564784237 250524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a implementation of SDL1 for SDL2? < 1564784272 782087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there a implementation of SDL2 on SDL1? > 1564784377 180751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65039&oldid=65037 5* 03A 5* (+247) 10 < 1564784717 293755 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then you could nest them > 1564784890 501267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65040&oldid=65038 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Computational class */ > 1564785033 761599 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65041&oldid=65040 5* 03A 5* (+70) 10/* Computational class */ No it isn't (yet) > 1564785219 618051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65042&oldid=65041 5* 03A 5* (+352) 10/* Computational class */ < 1564785257 783211 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I kept "ais523" separate from my real name for many years" => I don't remember that > 1564785269 471801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65043&oldid=65039 5* 03A 5* (+37) 10 < 1564785391 212557 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.180.92 JOIN :#esoteric > 1564785690 131384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65044&oldid=65043 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+186) 10 > 1564785710 686110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65045&oldid=65044 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+0) 10 > 1564785738 915037 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65046&oldid=65042 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1) 10 > 1564788716 646780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65047&oldid=65045 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10