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02:42:40 <fizzie> Fun fact: a bunch of speech-related programs use a timescale where the unit is 0.1 µs (or 100 ns, if you prefer), and I think that might be because it's the largest power of 10 in which both (1s / 8000) and (1s / 16000) are integers (1250 and 625, respectively), meaning at the common speech sampling rates of 8 kHz and 16 kHz sample offsets are integers as well.
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04:34:04 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Calamari2 * New user account
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05:37:08 <esowiki> [[Jeffry Johnston]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65422&oldid=30463 * A * (+22) /* See also */
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08:09:29 <esowiki> [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65426&oldid=65117 * A * (+2526) /* Computational class */
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09:41:43 <esowiki> [[Keg]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65428&oldid=65409 * A * (-6) /* Truth-machine */ Originally from EdgyNerd, then I golfed it.
09:47:59 <esowiki> [[User talk:Gamer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65429&oldid=65427 * Andrew3335 * (+511)
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10:45:04 <esowiki> [[TPLHBPTBOTEW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65431&oldid=59885 * Gamer * (-96) /* Commands */
10:54:32 <esowiki> [[TPLHBPTBOTEW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65432&oldid=65431 * Andrew3335 * (+582)
10:59:21 <esowiki> [[TPLHBPTBOTEW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65433&oldid=65432 * Andrew3335 * (-6)
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12:40:27 <esowiki> [[Bucket]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65435&oldid=61797 * A * (-120) Make it look much less scary
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13:31:41 <esowiki> [[Bucket]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65437&oldid=65435 * A * (+111) /* Implementation in C (provided output instructions just for debugging) */
13:31:56 <esowiki> [[Bucket]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65438&oldid=65437 * A * (+0) /* Implementation in C (provided output instructions just for debugging) */
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15:04:34 <andrewtheircer> idea: eso supporting infinite computational power, code and input and output
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16:39:21 <andrewtheircer> fun fact: september 13th, 2108 is the earliest date for any smartphone to reach one million hours
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16:50:39 <HackEso> U+1F937 SHRUG \ UTF-8: f0 9f a4 b7 UTF-16BE: d83edd37 Decimal: 🤷 \ 🤷 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER \ UTF-8: e2 80 8d UTF-16BE: 200d Decimal: ‍ \ \ Category: Cf (Other, Format) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+2642 MALE SIGN \ UTF-8: e2 99 82 UTF-16BE: 2642 Decimal: ♂ \ ♂ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+FE0F VARIATION SELECTOR-
17:02:52 <zzo38> Is there a NNTP server that allows downloading copies of very old Usenet articles if I know the message ID of the article I wish to download (even if no article number is stored for such messages)? I received a follow-up to a (allegedly) eighteen year old article. (There are actually at least six articles leading up to it, which I have the message IDs of.)
17:06:21 <fizzie> I don't know about a NNTP server, but Google Groups (or rather, its Usenet integration) used to have a way of doing that.
17:06:33 <fizzie> Unfortunately I can't seem to figure out how to do it any more.
17:08:02 <fizzie> Oh, if you know the group the message was in, you can search for that group first, and then when you have a group open the little down arrow from the search box opens an advanced search form with "Message ID" as one of the fields.
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17:27:37 <zzo38> Google Groups is not work on my computer (although I have once found one link that does work, except that it seem to try to hide email addresses), and I do not have or want a account there. Also, the newsgroup it belongs to is probably rec.arts.int-fiction (it is possible, although unlikely, that a follow-up message is posted to a different newsgroup than the original was).
17:28:08 <zzo38> (Also I want to download the message into my local bystand database)
17:56:23 <zzo38> (Also, I have seen URLs linking to stuff on Google Groups, and I think a problem with it is that the URL does not include the message ID. I have seen other web sites also with messages from Usenet, and they don't have the message ID in the URL either, unfortunately.)
18:38:35 <fizzie> The Google Groups URLs don't include message IDs, one likely reason being that it's organized in terms of "topics" (threads) first. But each message has a "show original" option, which shows almost the raw message, including the Message-ID header. The one difference is that email addresses have been redacted.
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18:39:07 <fizzie> It's an unfortunately modern-style website, though, so it's no surprise it doesn't work well.
18:41:13 <fizzie> There are some messages from rec.args.int-fiction from 2001 in Google Groups, so it might have the message(s) you're interested in. I don't think there's necessarily a way to get the message data with email addresses intact.
19:01:30 <zzo38> Is there a header that can be added to tell Google (and other archiving services) not to mangle email addresses, in case the author of the message wants it to remain intact?
19:10:23 <zzo38> (One problem is that sometimes there is the possibility that many programs will believe something to be a email address even though actually it isn't.)
19:14:11 <zzo38> Also, is there a way to access the raw message directly by a URL containing the message ID (and anything else it contains remains constant)?
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19:22:33 <fizzie> I think unfortunately the answer is no to both.
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19:54:27 <zzo38> I think I figured out. First, you prefix the message ID without < and > by "http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=", and then it redirects to a URL starting with "https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/". Replace that prefix with "https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=" and then the message can be accessed.
20:00:14 <zzo38> Actually, I found that it is actually a double redirect.
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20:43:00 <zzo38> One possible work-around to the mangling the email addresses is to add a new header, which contains the information needed to demangle the message.
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20:49:30 <zzo38> Perhaps, to add "Demangle-Head" and "Demangle-Body". For Demangle-Body, it consists of a sequence of tokens separated by white-space. For each at sign in the body of the message, take everything between it and the nearest white-space before it, and add that as a token into the header value.
20:52:12 <zzo38> For Demangle-Head, it is similar, but each token is preceded by a header name and then a colon; if there is a colon with no header name specified, then it is the same as the previously specified header name.
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20:53:47 <zzo38> In this way, if a message is downloaded from Google Groups or any service that performs similar mangling, the original text can be recovered.
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21:31:48 <esowiki> [[Bucket]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65440&oldid=65438 * Salpynx * (+1) 'Derivative' was confusing/incorrect. ('Variant' meaning clarified by the code golf contest)
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21:56:16 <zzo38> Perhaps, a new THREAD command should be added into NNTP, which searches for follow-ups to the specified message ID, and outputs the list of message IDs.
22:29:59 <zzo38> How long ago is the Earth spinning at (close enough to) the current rate and the other related stuff that the calendar would be usable from? That is what I would have defined the year zero as.
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23:58:04 <esowiki> [[Keg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65441&oldid=65428 * JonoCode9374 * (+111) /* See also */