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09:34:45 <Lykaina> B00HAE00AB00eAE00AB00lAE00AB00lAE00AB00oAE00AB00,AE00AB00 AE00AB00wAE00AB00oAE00AB00rAE00AB00lAE00AB00dAE00AB00!AE00AG
09:40:40 <Lykaina> still working on the specifics
09:41:18 <Lykaina> it's a "Hello, world!" program
09:43:32 <Lykaina> B00HAE00A = put 00 'H' act out 00 act
09:45:43 <Lykaina> there are still numerous bugs to be worked out
09:47:28 <Lykaina> and figuring out how i will code this in c
09:48:56 <Lykaina> like, i think i'm typing in prefix notation when i should be using postfix
09:53:55 <Lykaina> B00HAE00A maybe should be 4800BA00EA
09:59:23 <Lykaina> 480000BA00EA690000BA00EA210000BA00EAG
10:02:05 <Lykaina> crap, move the 'G' at the end to the beginning so we get the famous "!iH" message
10:04:04 <Lykaina> i'll type more *after* i have these bugs worked out.
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10:42:29 <Lykaina> 000001@C000b00@K00GB00F000101@Q01@CL.Hello, world!
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13:38:53 <int-e> I don't recognize the language, which makes this rather boring.
13:39:48 <arseniiv> Lykaina: I presume what’s considered esoteric in part depends on our history. By this day, there is many things which were novel in their days because of obfuscation of code. Now, obfuscation alone is usually not enough to be interesting
13:39:57 <Lykaina> L100010@Q10@B00@D00@Cb00000@J000010B.Hello, world!
13:41:16 <int-e> Seriously, you could be pasting random strings and I would be just as thrilled.
13:41:38 <arseniiv> several people don’t consider obfuscation alone esoteric from the start, even. Ideally, a good esolang is a whole from which you can’t subtract anything or add anything to it (ideally)
13:41:58 <arseniiv> so it could include several striking ideas
13:42:18 <arseniiv> though sometimes there are too many. Though usually it’s pretty subjective
13:43:23 <arseniiv> I can’t advice, my esolangs are quite ordinary
13:43:36 <arseniiv> though one time I had an obfuscation idea
13:44:34 <arseniiv> it was to represent various constructs of a simple functional language by fearful mathematical expressions like integrals
13:44:52 <int-e> Lykaina: I might care if I knew how to decipher this, that is, what the underlying language is... then I could jump to the meta level and ponder questions like computational power, the ability to make quines, stuff like that, which I find interesting.
13:45:02 <arseniiv> an anonymous function was expressed as ∫ body d var
13:45:33 <int-e> (That's not a promise though... a lot of the time I find something too similar to something else I already know and leave it at that.)
13:45:41 <arseniiv> it was quite fun for me, though I don’t think someone would like write in it more than ten or so programs
13:46:00 <int-e> arseniiv: yes, indefinite integrals have binders! :)
13:46:05 <arseniiv> I was glad how it looked in LaTeX
13:46:18 <arseniiv> int-e: indeed, that was why I used them
13:46:36 <int-e> (definite ones as well, but they also have bounds, which are a bit odd in programming... especially since you get two of them)
13:46:56 <arseniiv> maybe I’d described that draft on the wiki for fun but it requires math support :P
13:47:59 <int-e> . o O ( Hosted by cloudflare: [email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected], world! )
13:50:02 <b_jonas> yeah, I've seen such code in mailing list archives
13:51:54 <Lykaina> A - M leave nothing behind, N - Z leave a single value behind. forgot to type that.
13:52:03 <arseniiv> int-e: oh I was wrong, an integral is a function definition, ∫ anonymous-function-body d defined-name
13:53:37 <arseniiv> I like my named let syntax more: \prod_name arg1 ∧ value1 ∨ … ∨ argn ∧ valuen ∨ body
13:54:13 <int-e> arseniiv: that's nasty :P
13:54:36 <int-e> arseniiv: I guess you called that language "continuous integration" to make it easy to find on google
13:56:50 <arseniiv> int-e: also there are string literals which can contain [A-Za-z] and are written in \mathfrak
13:58:53 <int-e> Lykaina: is the "jump counter" what would normally be a "program counter"?
13:59:57 <Lykaina> it counts jump recursion from while or if ops
14:00:25 <Lykaina> name is holdover from earlier draft
14:00:34 <arseniiv> so Hello world in TeX syntax will be \{\mathfrak{Hello}^\sigma\{p_{32}\
14:02:28 <arseniiv> \{\mathfrak{Hello}^\sigma\{p_{32}\mid\mathrm{sg}\}^\sigma\mathfrak{world}^\sigma\{p_{33}\mid\mathrm{sg}\}\mid\mathscr E\}
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14:04:17 <int-e> Lykaina: I don't think I can piece it together just yet. Btw, for stack manipulation, there's the notation (from Forth, I believe) i1 ... in -- o1 ... om, so for example addition could be specified as a b -- a+b.
14:05:28 <arseniiv> instead of \{ arg \mid f \}, one should really write \varepsilon^{f}arg (or arg^{f}\varepsilon), but the former deprecated syntax is just imaginarily-deprecated; a1 ^{f} a2 ^{f} a3 is equivalent to \{ a1, a2, a3 \mid f \} and so on and \{ \mid f \} ≡ \varepsilon^{f}
14:06:21 <int-e> arseniiv: I'm not really following anymore btw.
14:07:43 <arseniiv> it’s okay (for completeness, σ concatenates lists, sg(a) gives [a], p_n means n, strings are lists of integers, ℰ writes a string to output)
14:21:51 <Lykaina> making some minor fixes, no point in re-uploading
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14:57:16 <Lykaina> Stack 1: B@100000K@000012C@00D@00LA
14:58:11 <Lykaina> Stack 1: B@100000K@000021C@00D@00LA
14:59:02 <Lykaina> this is with stacks being read from left
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16:03:36 <Lykaina> with current set of ops: JU00030U4S000AG ~= putchar(rand()%10 + 48)
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16:46:12 <rain1> hey kmc how are you doing
16:46:29 <kmc> pretty good
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18:43:27 <zzo38> Do you like Scrabble with Go stones and chess pieces also?
18:43:49 <kmc> how does that work?
18:47:13 <zzo38> I thought how to make Scrabble with Go stones, but there might be other way too possibly a better way than what I have. I haven't thought of how to do with Go and chess.
18:48:18 <zzo38> After each turn if you played any letters, you may play a Go stone on a vacant cell, and then make captures. Keep track of who played each letter; they are like Go stones but will not be captured until the game ends.
18:49:38 <zzo38> You can play letters where there are currently stones; this removes the stones and affects your score according to which stones have been removed in this way and which letters were played there, but you are not allowed to play if your total score for that turn would be zero or negative.
18:50:05 <zzo38> (Also you cannot play two wild cards and nothing else on the first turn of the game, since, that would earn zero points.)
18:54:26 <b_jonas> but.. do the stones go to the crossings of the lines, and the letters in the squares between them?
18:55:48 <zzo38> Stones go in the same square where the letters would go, in how I have, so that they can interfere with each other.
18:57:03 <b_jonas> and do the letter multipliers of the board apply to a stone, and does it apply to a letter tile if it's played on a stone?
18:57:41 <b_jonas> also what's the exchange rate for go points to scrabble points?
18:58:52 <zzo38> The multiplier still applies to a letter played on a stone, but if it is opponent's stone then that letter is worth nothing for that turn. If it is your own stone then it is one more than normal. Word multipliers do not apply to stones, but letter multipliers do.
18:59:47 <zzo38> I have Go points and Scrabble points at 1:1 (and you will add them when the game ends), but I don't know if a different exchange rate may be better. Also, if a letter is captured at the end of the game then whoever played that letter loses its base value (ignoring all multiplies).
19:01:16 <b_jonas> how do turns work? do you place one go stone and then one scrabble word or other scrabble move in your turn?
19:01:29 <b_jonas> ah, you said go stone after the scrabble move
19:01:47 <zzo38> Yes, and only if you actually played any letters. You cannot add a stone without also adding at least one letter.
19:02:21 <zzo38> (It is, however, allowed to play one or more letters and then not play a stone.)
19:05:56 <b_jonas> what if you play with reversi stones instead of go stones, and stones can convert other stones as in reversi, with tiles counting as empty space for the purpose of conversion?
19:06:23 <zzo38> Yes, that could be another game, I suppose; you can try that.
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19:22:55 <HackEso> The password of the month is surprising.
19:25:19 <oerjan> `learn The password of the month is ninjaed.
19:25:22 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is ninjaed.
19:25:51 <oerjan> admittedly you didn't seem in much of a hurry.
19:27:17 <int-e> I was happy about the final surprise ;-)
19:28:27 <int-e> But I feel I got more than my fair share of potms recently.
19:31:00 <arseniiv> hm I strangely misread this as “potm points” and was about to ask if there are points
19:32:39 <HackEso> oerjän int-̈e shachäf int-̈e fizzïe int-̈e fizzïe int-̈e int-̈e b_jonäs int-̈e int-̈e oerjän oerjän int-̈e int-̈e oerjän int-̈e oerjän oerjän oerjän int-̈e int-̈e oerjän oerjän shachäf oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän int-̈e shachäf shachäf oerjän boil̈y oerjän int-̈e int-̈e oerjän shachäf shachäf oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän gameman̈j int-̈e
19:33:34 <int-e> Just another September.
19:33:57 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/wisdom/password
19:35:30 <oerjan> has it really been 11 months since i set it
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19:47:02 <arseniiv> the next password of the month could accidentally be not what it seems
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20:45:09 <b_jonas> ``` hg log -T "{date|shortdate}\n" wisdom/password
20:45:11 <HackEso> 2019-09-01 \ 2019-08-01 \ 2019-07-01 \ 2019-06-02 \ 2019-05-01 \ 2019-04-09 \ 2019-03-30 \ 2019-02-04 \ 2019-02-03 \ 2019-01-01 \ 2018-12-01 \ 2018-11-01 \ 2018-10-02 \ 2018-09-05 \ 2018-08-03 \ 2018-07-20 \ 2018-06-03 \ 2018-05-05 \ 2018-04-14 \ 2018-04-14 \ 2018-03-07 \ 2018-02-15 \ 2017-12-31 \ 2017-12-01 \ 2017-12-01 \ 2017-11-04 \ 2017-10-01 \ 2017-09-02 \ 2017-08-22 \ 2017-08-16 \ 2017-07-11 \ 2017-06-02 \ 2017-06-02 \ 2017-06-02 \ 2017-05-14 \ 2017-
21:04:21 <arseniiv> now I’m dreaming about setting the password the next month. Of course I’ll forget and be too slow to matter
21:06:32 <arseniiv> wow, modest is related to modus
21:11:12 <b_jonas> arseniiv: you could ask a computer that has a clock and is good at remembering dates to set it in your name at the start of next month
21:13:44 <arseniiv> b_jonas: hmmmm though 0: UTC is 5: here so if I won’t repair my schedule I can be there in person and need only a reminder
21:15:26 <int-e> . o O ( maybe it's time for a potmlist :-P )
21:17:04 <arseniiv> int-e: announcing the time has come or announcing when the new is set?
21:17:23 <b_jonas> it's the phase of the moon list, announcing every new moon and every full moon
21:17:42 <int-e> arseniiv: the former :P (and generalizing the concept to a waiting list)
21:17:53 <arseniiv> b_jonas: :D oh that would be more useful
21:18:03 <int-e> well, s/generalizing/adapting/
21:18:38 <int-e> (I hope this sounds ridiculous.)
21:18:52 <b_jonas> or maybe warning a few days before new moon and a few days before full moon, to be able to prepare for werewolves and other magic
21:21:02 <int-e> Would it include updates for Phobos and Deimos?
21:22:05 <arseniiv> I wish I had occurring something useful on full moon, but no, the most I get is that white-gray dish staring in the window. Though it adds some comfort
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21:26:21 <arseniiv> today I reread domino examples in Concrete mathematics, they’re just too good
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21:28:49 <arseniiv> it also reminds me I have almost no clue about combinatory species and especially their computational aspects (like enumeration or counting)
21:29:44 <arseniiv> isn’t there something like a Baez page on them?
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21:35:16 <ARCUN> I think it would be cool to not only parse HTML using regex, but to combine them in some way
21:35:44 <ARCUN> A markup language that operates using regex, called REML
21:36:36 <ARCUN> Of course, I don't believe it's possible to completely parse HTML with regex, but the idea is nice
21:46:31 <ARCUN> I think a language that uses the REML concept would be befitting for the wiki
21:46:44 <ARCUN> It's definitely not your everyday language
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