2019-10-03 - freenode:#esoteric

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01:11:24 <esowiki> [[Mice in a maze]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66451&oldid=66373 * TwilightSparkle * (+0) Minor thing

01:44:32 <oerjan> @tell kspalaiologos <kspalaiologos> https://github.com/rdebath/Brainfuck/tree/master/tritium <-- rdebath is definitely the guy in the community to ask about BF interpreter comparison

01:44:33 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.

01:45:53 <oerjan> wait, too slow? i'm shocked

02:02:19 <int-e> . o O ( "didn't manage to reconstruct original C code from compiled code" )

02:02:23 <int-e> morning

02:11:18 <oerjan> morning

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03:04:06 <esowiki> [[CopyPasta Language/implementation.rb]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=66452 * Conor O'Brien * (+1824) Created page with "An implementation of [[CopyPasta Language]] written in Ruby by [[User:Conor O'Brien]]. == Implementation (<code>copypasta.rb</code>) == def fatal_error(error, code=1) S..."

03:04:33 <esowiki> [[User:Conor O'Brien]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66453&oldid=54392 * Conor O'Brien * (+62) /* Languages I have implemented */

03:05:26 <esowiki> [[CopyPasta Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66454&oldid=65573 * Conor O'Brien * (+85)

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04:49:58 <imode> I wanted a way to speed up my interpreter to avoid making scans everywhere. so, I'm sketching out something that takes two files: the code you want to run, and an optional compiled jump table.

04:50:32 <imode> the compiler for this jump table just analyzes the source and keeps track of where matching brackets are for any loops and breaks within those loops.

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04:50:58 <imode> "if you are at address X, jump to address Y if you are any kind of control flow operation."

04:51:14 <imode> this is substituted in for the traditional bracket/scan based approach.

04:51:29 <imode> you can also form this kind of jump table on the fly via caching.

04:53:41 <imode> what's also nice is that you can essentially define segmented executables with this. if the interpreter tries to run a commented section, for example, you can just say "at this instruction (start of a comment), jump to the end of a comment."

04:59:27 <imode> the base command set (which is [,.:;$+-=<~&?01]) can fit inside of a 4-bit value.

04:59:51 <imode> which is great. code can remain ultra-compact while remaining fast.

05:04:39 <imode> the 'or' operator can be defined as :$&$~$\$$\$:$&$~$&$~$

05:04:57 <imode> ,$1,$ :$&$~$ \$$\$ :$&$~$ &$~$ yields "1".

05:05:25 <kmc> what lang is this?

05:05:32 <imode> my own. named Mode.

05:05:53 <int-e> imode. mode. ode. de. e. .

05:06:01 <imode> an ode to mode by imode.

05:06:48 <int-e> just have to deal with Apple if this ever becomes a success

05:07:11 <imode> apple has a language called Mode?

05:07:17 <imode> (also here's an interpreter: https://hatebin.com/qolqoghzzf)

05:07:43 <int-e> imode: I meant the 'i'.

05:07:57 <imode> haaah.

05:08:47 <imode> the iMode, an enterprise-scale language. the implementation only runs on an aluminium cube, which is shipped to you in a puzzle case.

05:09:08 <imode> here's what hello world looks like: ,$1001000,$1100101\$$\$,$1101100\$$\$,$1101100\$$\$,$1101111\$$\$,$101100\$$\$,$100000\$$\$,$1110111\$$\$,$1101111\$$\$,$1110010\$$\$,$1101100\$$\$,$1100100\$$\$,$100001\$$\$,,:$[':$]..

05:12:36 <imode> provided you add ' as an action.

05:14:58 <imode> on to bed. cheers.

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08:30:35 <esowiki> [[Toi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66455&oldid=66193 * Kritixilithos * (+220) added my interpreter

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09:34:30 <kspalaiologos> I've been improving the Brainfuck assembly later

09:34:51 <kspalaiologos> *earlier

09:35:20 <kspalaiologos> Added an arithmetic rotation (left and right)

09:35:44 <kspalaiologos> And logicizing values (x>1 x=1, x=0 x=0)

09:36:23 <kspalaiologos> Have you got any nice ideas to implement?

09:36:48 <kspalaiologos> I'm already working on getting the dynamic registers out of beta

10:13:10 <myname> the main idea for brainfuck is to have as few commands as possible

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14:57:22 <patologios> a chciałem iść z tobą do łóżka

14:57:25 <ais523> patologios: please don't spam the channel

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14:57:35 <patologios> I don't spam anything lol

14:57:42 <ais523> yes you do

14:57:54 <patologios> what is spam

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14:58:04 <kspalaiologos> Go spam ##C or #programming instead

14:58:09 <patologios> but kspalaiologos: is gay

14:58:11 <kspalaiologos> These welcome guys will teach you

14:59:00 <kspalaiologos> Anonimity of irc is a bless and a plague

14:59:14 <kspalaiologos> In the same time, of course

15:03:50 <int-e> "mixed blessing" is the term

15:06:25 <patologios> kspalaiologos: dodaj mnie na ZBA chuju

15:07:00 <patologios> czemu mnie wyjebales

15:08:58 <ais523> patologios: this channel's meant to be for discussion of esolangs, especially group discussion; that means that it's best for conversations to be a) ontopic and b) in a language that most of the channel will be able to understand

15:09:19 <ais523> we're often tolerant of deviations from this for people who have made a lot of positive contributions, but as far as I can tell you haven't made any

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15:18:42 <patologios> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

15:18:57 <imode> ban him already.

15:19:53 <imode> why tolerate obvious spam.

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16:04:11 <int-e> imode: If it works then this can avoid an endless struggle of banning and ban evasion.

16:06:14 * imode shrugs.

16:29:23 <imode> been thinking of a macro syntax to add as an interpreter extension. you could write {<pattern>:<replacement>} to store a segment of code you want to attach to an alias, and (<pattern>) to unpack that segment of code in-place.

16:29:38 <imode> multiple patterns can be chained together as spaces.

16:29:56 <imode> so (foo bar baz) performs multiple insertions.

16:30:17 <imode> (foo)(bar)(baz) is also an option. more typing though.

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17:12:36 <arseniiv> @ask imode when you defined graph rewriting rules, did you meant we could glue vertices together (which could be written as V1 = V2 in LHS for V1, V2 occurring in LHS)?

17:12:36 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.

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18:25:55 <esowiki> [[OOLANG]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66456&oldid=51981 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* External resources */

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18:32:20 <esowiki> [[OOLANG]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66457&oldid=66456 * Dtuser1337 * (+2) /* It's turing complete? */

18:44:22 <esowiki> [[Gaot++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66458&oldid=53116 * Dtuser1337 * (+0) /* Implementations */ replacing the link with the archived version

19:16:05 <b_jonas> `echo o1lQfIMraSsc

19:16:06 <HackEso> o1lQfIMraSsc

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19:21:33 <kspalaiologos> I've added arithmetic shifts to my brainfuck assembly

19:21:42 <kspalaiologos> reversal of two top elements from the stack

19:21:57 <kspalaiologos> to logic value conversion

19:22:03 <kspalaiologos> pretty useful stuff imo

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19:42:56 <b_jonas> imode: just preprocess your source with https://esolangs.org/wiki/SIMPLE_(preprocessor) . You can change the special characters that it uses if you prefer curly braces to mark a macro call.

19:46:31 <kspalaiologos> link cut itself

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20:30:15 <imode> well, the macro system works.

20:30:50 <imode> https://hatebin.com/lkszlrodkq

20:31:35 <imode> arseniiv: w.r.t graph rewriting you asked about earlier, it was more based around edge rewriting rather than vertex gluing.

20:33:22 <arseniiv> imode: I just thought vertex gluing is a natural addition to that

20:33:54 <arseniiv> more natural than vertex splitting (I don’t thing there could be the only one natural way to do so)

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20:38:22 <imode> I should fix the macro system to handle nested macro defs.

20:52:10 <arseniiv> oh you can have a macro definition in another definition’s body?

20:52:19 <imode> that was the intention, yeah.

20:52:42 <arseniiv> hm macro switches..?

20:53:33 <arseniiv> ah never mind I wanted to say “conditional macros”

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20:57:31 <imode> yeah you can define macros and apply them at runtime. there is an initial pass, though.

20:58:02 <imode> mainly so you can write things like (begin) ... (while) ... (repeat) without going into an infinite loop.

20:58:17 <imode> because (while) will resolve to a conditional check.

20:58:30 <imode> and will roll until it hits a ']'.

20:58:43 <imode> but since it doesn't encounter one.. it'll continue on forever.

21:13:34 <imode> the macro expander supports recusive macro expansion pretty easily. all it does is check for macro expansions (anything between '(' and ')'), and if it encounters a macro definition, it just jumps to the matching ')', saving all chars in between.

21:13:54 <imode> if it doesn't encounter a macro definition, it expands in-place and seeks to the beginning of the expanded macro.

21:14:36 <imode> it's why (0:,$)(1:,$1)(begin:(1)[)(while:?)(repeat:(1)])(begin)(0)(while)(1)(repeat) works.

21:14:54 <imode> and reduces to ,$1[,$?,$1,$1]

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21:19:43 <imode> another method (which may seem a little better) is to split the whole source into tokens, and inspect each token to see if it's the start of a definition, an existing definition, or a chunk of code.

21:19:49 <imode> but eh.

21:20:09 <imode> this thing is already 243 lines.

21:20:26 <imode> now to figure out how to do if/else chains...

21:28:03 <b_jonas> imode: just use an existing preprocessor that is already known to be able to do any computation and is hard to use in an esoteric way, like SIMPLE

21:28:19 <b_jonas> don't reinvent the wheel

21:29:02 <imode> how about no.

21:29:06 <imode> mine works fine.

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23:37:12 <imode> https://hastebin.com/oruziketal.txt

23:37:15 <imode> primitives work.

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23:37:28 <imode> honestly I'm about ready to go to a token-based preprocessor.

23:38:04 <imode> it requires a little more work. but it might be better...?

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