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If you do, hppavilion may hire a hitman to hunt you down in real life and torture you in refined ways."; forget "rogue one" 13:03:00 shachaf: for a pretty long time, there was a "wisdom/rogue one" where someone says that nobody should give spoilers to that movie. 13:03:09 it wasn't signed by anyone, but hg log said that it was by hppavilion 13:03:24 at that time, hppavilion disappeared, so I didn't dare touch the wisdom entry 13:03:48 but later, hppavilion returned, I asked him about it, and converted the wisdom entry to a general one about all movies, rather than specifically about Rogue one 13:03:52 `? spoiler 13:03:53 Don't give movie spoilers on channel. If you do, hppavilion may hire a hitman to hunt you down in real life and torture you in refined ways. 13:03:59 the higgedly wisdom also refers to this 13:04:20 I changed them because I find it distasteful for wisdoms to have serious but unsigned threats 13:04:37 if you threaten to send hitmen, at least tell who's sending them 13:05:00 ``` hg cat -r 11914 wisdom/rogue\ one 13:05:01 Any regular who gives the slightest Rogue One spoiler shall be hunted down in real life and have their intestines removed through their eye sockets. Members would not be exempt if they existed, which they don't. 13:05:15 you can check channel logs about this if you want 13:06:08 it's the name of his sled 13:08:17 (such an odd movie) 13:09:47 good point http://thedevilspanties.com/archives/13421 13:54:22 -!- stennowork has joined. 13:55:25 Wow, what just happened to Violetta... 13:56:51 Ah, "it" from a week ago happened. 14:37:43 timezone offset change in the parts of Europe that have timezone offset changes in 3.5 days 14:38:03 oh wow b_jonas 14:38:10 er sorry 14:38:15 maybe i am mixing you up with someone 14:38:25 were you active in the nethack community? 14:38:32 stennowork: somewhat, yes 14:39:06 well hi, long time not seen :D 14:39:09 I have some wishlist entries and bug reports for nethack4, you can still find them in the bug tracker except that the bug tracker interface is really hard to use, 14:39:16 aah 14:39:16 hehe 14:39:19 plus I have a total of _one_ ascension behind me 14:39:30 you should really look into nethack again, amazing things have happened 14:39:42 feel free to join #hardfought :D 14:39:45 I know there's a vanilla release or two since 14:39:47 enough plugging now, sorry 14:39:49 yeah 14:39:56 they changed a lot of things, I'd have to relearn everything 14:40:00 and vanilla is basically better than NAO-3.4.3 was 14:40:02 which is amzing 14:40:05 figure out how to protect against all the threats that MC3 simply cancelled 14:40:27 my first post-MC nerf ascension just had MC2 and it worked fine :p 14:40:37 also the spoiler page http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~eva/nethack/spoilerlist.html has disappeared 14:40:51 i think that was only a few days ago 14:40:58 the spoilers are probably not up to date anymore 14:41:06 even the wiki can't really keep up heh 14:42:00 stennowork: without MC3, do you, like, have to set your clothes on fire every time you're slimed? or prioritize on killing green slimes? 14:42:08 because being on fire sounds uncomfortable 14:42:17 you just have to be a little bit more careful 14:42:27 to be fair thuogh, if you are in gehennom, you should have FR already :P 14:42:34 the really biggest issue is level drain 14:42:38 from vampires 14:42:40 even with the Con score increased easily with exercise 14:42:45 and vlad is now the second-fastest monster in the game 14:43:00 didn't they also change exercise so that Dex, Con, Wis attributes are no longer so easy to max? 14:43:10 so he stands on the upstairs, hits you, level drains you, then teleports to the upstairs again before you even get an action 14:43:17 hmm 14:43:27 maybe, but i don't remember anything specific for that 14:43:31 I'm ok with vlad, the joke was old, I have to deal with some tough monsters for the ascension anyway 14:43:46 that just makes it more awesome to kill vlad with a towel or rubber hose or whatever 14:43:55 yes, i also like an actually strong monster in the endgame 14:44:02 or lategame rather 14:44:07 also, I play as a vampire lord, so I consider vlad friends 14:44:13 I do have to kill them, but it's not personal 14:44:14 haha 14:44:18 oh in nethack4? 14:44:26 or with polyself 14:45:01 in nethack4, but also would play that way in other nethack 3.4.3 variants 14:45:22 the fourweapon bug is so awesome that I don't see a reason to play as anything but polymorphed to a fourweaponing monster 14:45:34 haha 14:45:50 or that demon with six arms 14:45:52 basically if you're polymorphed to a monster that has two weapon attacks, then you get two attacks with each of two weapons, and you can wield two weapons regardless your role 14:46:07 oh, amazing 14:46:08 and the best polyform among those is the vampire lord 14:46:14 right 14:46:19 just no grayswandir for you then :P 14:46:35 there is a new variant called 'evilhack', which implemented twoweaponing martial arts 14:46:49 so when you are grand master you get a second attack as if you were twoweaponing 14:47:12 unfortunately a bug in that was my demise - the second attack would not check for gloves etc so the first cockatrice i ran into stoned me 14:47:26 did the later vanilla releases fix the fourweaponing bug, or the ring nutrition bug? or are these now ascended bugs that won't ever be fixed? 14:47:46 i have to admit i don't know of that fourweaponing bug 14:48:04 yeah, for some reason it's not everyone's style 14:48:07 ring nutrition is the one where you dual-wield rings of slow digestion and take them off every 20 turns or so? 14:48:09 I really don't understand because it's so powerful 14:48:22 twoweaponing got a major overhaul though since 3.4.3 14:48:38 I understand that sometimes you want to unpolymorph, or polymorph to something else, for utility reasons, but when I want to plough through enemies, I want attacks 14:48:41 its not more like a proper second attack, not that autodamage thing it was in 3.4.3 14:48:44 and I don't get those natively as a wizard 14:49:19 (my one ascension was with a valkyrie though) 14:49:32 i knew that you could polymorph into a twoweaponing monster and then you could twoweapon yourself 14:49:42 again i am not familiar with fourweaponing or if this bug still exist :D 14:49:46 but that sounds hilarious 14:49:53 (but I have a wizard game abandonned in close to gomode on nethack4) 14:54:02 b_jonas, so how about hanging out in #hardfought again? :D you will meet a few old friends (ais523 which i assume also dwells in this channel, jonadab etc...) 14:54:17 and you will see how the current development is and how exciting everything is 14:54:47 anyway, in the nh4 tracker I have a few actual bugs (rather than wishlists) that I have hard feelings about, and in particular, vanilla worked around the chest trap problem the incorrect way 14:54:55 m 14:55:08 stennowork: what the heck is #hardfought ? I haven't heard of that channel. I was in other nethack-related channels only 14:55:24 the hardfought server by K2 hosts nethack since 2016 14:55:37 and its the server where all the variants are now hosted too 14:55:50 so that channel is a bit like 'the variant channel' 14:56:13 #NetHack,#acehack,#nethack-offtopic,#devnull-nethack,#nethack4 14:56:20 ah yes 14:56:32 #devnull-nethack is dead because devnull is dead 14:56:42 that's not a problem, there's junethack instead 14:56:50 it's not like I want to play unpatched interface 14:56:53 with bobble hats 14:56:56 yes, and hardfought also hosts the 'TNNT' tournaments 14:56:57 haha 14:57:05 TNNT is a replacement for the devnull tourney 14:57:13 (i.e. it will start in a week!) 14:57:40 yes, the waldo power armor was awesome 14:58:17 if you see rld talking, its an IRC->discord bridge 14:59:34 stennowork: anyway, I said that I don't know how I arrived to this channel, to which ais523 said that maybe I followed him here from #nethack4, which sounds quite plausible 14:59:51 yes 14:59:59 ais523 is the only reason i just joined too :D 15:00:06 but there are other possibilities, and I didn't bother to check the logs 15:00:12 because in another channel, Befunge came up 15:00:16 logs probably has the truth 15:00:45 irc is awesome 15:00:56 lots of strange hackers aroudn :P 15:01:25 in another channel, i found the developer of ARES (corewars) hanging out 15:01:44 and ESR himself came online to talk about nethack 15:01:52 "ARES (corewars)"? isn't ARES a library for non-blocking DNS resolving 15:02:08 c-ares.haxx.se 15:02:09 https://harald.ist.org/sites/ares/ 15:02:12 https://c-ares.haxx.se/ 15:02:16 definitely is 15:02:17 that ares 15:02:37 they stole the name? 15:02:47 well ares is a very commoon name :D 15:02:51 i wouldn't say they stole it 15:02:58 its a greek god name among other things 15:03:01 -!- imode has joined. 15:03:20 and a name of a sharp tool too, I know 15:03:31 maybe ares is something like 'another redcode execution sandbox' or something like that 15:04:50 all the redcode stuff is named after roman and greek gods 15:04:55 there is mars, zeus and ares 15:05:11 anyway, enough channel hijacking, sorry for that v_v 15:05:11 I hope there's no "Athene" or "Athena". that's like the single most over-used name 15:11:40 stennowork: anyway, it's not likely that I'll return to playing nethack soon. I should write a bot that startscums an online server until it finds a wand of wishing on dlvl1 and then give away the game. It's not that unlikely, I could probably get such a game every few months. 15:12:30 stennowork: oh also, the 3.6 release seriously nerfs Elbereth, that means I'd basically have to relearn tactics from scratch 15:12:34 vt_tiledata is now in vanilla, so i already wrote some node abstraction 15:12:36 there's no way I could survive early game 15:12:42 so i have a startscum bot in node now 15:12:43 hehe 15:12:47 you will get used to it 15:12:53 scroll of scare monster was buffed though 15:13:04 also possibly a bot that tries to dig down as archaeologist and leave helpful bones 15:13:12 but that is hard 15:13:22 because it more likely uses up all existing bones than leave good ones 15:13:33 and without Elbereth the digging down strategy is much harder 15:13:54 but perma-E was OP you have to admit 15:13:59 I can't just keep digging on dlvl9 on a square with Elbereth and hope that the high level monsters leave me alone 15:14:11 stennowork: sure it was, but it's what I'm used to 15:14:13 no, you need ?oSM for that 15:16:06 stennowork: but (a) I have to find a scroll, (b) when I dig down, the scroll can fall to any neighboring square, including one where I can't dig down, and I can't pick it up, so I don't know how easily that would work 15:16:19 would I have to always dig wherever the scroll happens to fall? 15:16:29 anyway, it probably doesn't matter because this wouldn't work well in 3.4.3 either 15:16:47 yeah more or less 15:16:55 I did consider scumming wizards with wand of digging too, but they have just too few charges 15:17:08 I should probably stick to the wand of wishing strategy 15:17:23 look around on dlvl1, hope not to get killed, look for wands, quickly restart if there isn't any 15:17:24 yes, for dfv you basically need to go the mines and kill the first dwarf with a pickaxe 15:17:30 do you know about node.js ? 15:17:35 you could look at my project 15:17:37 if I find wand, engrave with it, wish for 2 bgf scrolls of charging 15:17:47 stennowork: no no, this is #esoteric, most of the fun is writing the bot itself 15:17:55 fair enough 15:17:57 if I do it, I want to do it myself 15:18:13 it's not like I would earn real life money from getting wands of wishing 15:18:13 well then let me say that its easier than ever before because of aforementioned vt_tiledata being in vanilla 15:18:32 (if I did, then I'd farm puddings then unicorns rather then startscum) 15:18:38 so if you have an ANSI-term parser, you have to just extend the extra escape codes 15:19:21 i wrote a short wiki article about the new vt_tiledata codes https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Vt_tiledata 15:20:03 stennowork: no no, I don't want to dfv, I just considered digging down with an unprotected archaeologist with Elbereth, die on like dlvl 12, but first drop my inventory (so it doesn't get cursed) and leave bones that help others 15:20:06 and maybe just for inspiration, here is how a startscum script looks like in my nodehack https://github.com/stenno/NodeHack/blob/master/examples/startscum.js 15:20:19 with a wizard, I'd also leave engravings to identify my inventory 15:20:47 but wizards can't dig deep enough 15:21:08 their wand of digging runs out before they reach bones depth 15:21:14 yes 15:21:23 8 charges max i think 15:21:35 doesn't bring you far considering you want down to DL 25 or so :P 15:21:43 I don't want down to dl 25 15:21:53 I only want down to between dl 12 and 16 15:22:41 still not enough 15:35:36 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:35:41 I wonder if anyone will ever ascend Heaven or Hell mode 15:37:06 . o O ( What about AIs... the main point being that they can spend many human life time equivalents on trying over and over again?) 15:39:24 int-e: by the time I left nethack, some people managed to ascend it with fully automated bots. but HoH needs new strategies devised, not just some luck. 15:39:49 int-e, the game exists since 1987. the first (and only) bot to win the game was released in 2016 15:40:07 int-e: and we enjoy nethack because almost everything has answers, so you don't need too much luck to ascend, only good strategies and tactics 15:40:08 so far, there has not been any other bot that even comes close to ascending 15:40:14 ascending = winning 15:41:18 almost everything EXCEPT FOR THE FUCKING CHEST TRAPS as I argue in a bug report, and that would be trivial to fix too, as I also argue in that bug report, although the trap system really should be teared out of nethack and completely rewritten, that particular problem can totally be fixed without that 15:41:25 https://github.com/krajj7/BotHack 15:41:40 b_jonas, what is that bug? 15:41:46 torn out 15:41:51 stennowork: let me find my good description in the nh4 bug tracker 15:42:22 YSK that the castle chest is now guaranteed to be untrapped 15:42:48 so they found a way to make untrapped chests from the .des files 15:42:51 stennowork: https://roguelikes.live/nh4-bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=214 15:43:03 stennowork: yes, I know 3.6 does that, and I still say that that's not the right fix 15:43:34 I argue in the bug ticket that chest traps don't have answers, and in nethack, things should have answers 15:43:43 one of the chest traps that is 15:43:46 the rest do 15:43:46 didn't know that an exploding chest would destroy items on the same square 15:44:35 do you know that people like ais523, paxed and bhaak are now members of the devteam? 15:44:45 stennowork: I do know 16:04:29 -!- stennowork has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:14:56 -!- skyplane has joined. 16:14:57 -!- skyplane has quit (Client Quit). 16:16:15 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:18:15 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:18:33 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:22:16 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:22:31 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:29:05 -!- skyplane has joined. 16:38:15 -!- gitlogger has joined. 16:39:10 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 16:42:14 -!- skyplane has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.). 16:42:30 -!- 7JTAAVWO8 has joined. 16:43:43 -!- skyplane_ has joined. 16:44:42 one guy wants to make a computer game with magic governed by a deep mathematical theory/concept, do you have something in mind to suggest? (Then I’ll relay it.) He gave https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/string+diagram as an example of things which would interest him, though I think there are no solid decisions made yet, and no conception in which specific way would it manifest in a game 16:45:47 -!- 7JTAAVWO8 has quit (Client Quit). 16:45:54 noita. 16:45:56 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:46:06 cellular automata. :P 16:46:07 -!- skyplane__ has joined. 16:47:50 arseniiv: well, David Madore has a few ideas about that, see http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-05-07.2296.html (and the older http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2013-10-07.2162.html that it points to) 16:48:18 also http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2018-09-27.2555.html 16:48:30 maybe I should direct him here 16:48:41 arseniiv: I don't think he uses irc 16:48:52 but he has a comment section, twitter, and email 16:49:11 and Stack Exchange 16:49:29 b_jonas: rofl :D I don’t mean David Madore 16:49:33 oh 16:49:35 I mean that person 16:51:05 though I don’t know him at all, I just got interested and suggested tensory things to him. Then I was surprised by the coincidence: string diagrams in their simplest form are for monoidal categories 16:51:17 arseniiv: but be careful, because we officially don't do the other kind of esoterism in this channel 16:53:39 -!- skyplane__ has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.). 16:53:55 -!- skyplane has joined. 16:54:47 всем доброго времени суток 16:54:50 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:55:10 может скажете, куда с этим: https://skyplaneru.wixsite.com/excessive ? 16:55:38 b_jonas: eh, I was about to dust off my ouija board 16:55:39 понимаю что в сообщество прогеров, но вдруг 16:57:12 skyplane: я прочитал и ничего не понял вообще 16:57:53 really weird text 16:57:57 skyplane: это не место для какого-то дерьма, которое вы торгуете. немногие (если таковые имеются) здесь говорят по-русски. 16:58:07 the heck 16:59:25 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:59:42 arseniiv, ah yes, the ouija board 17:00:00 very useful while programming in Malbolge 17:01:26 kspalaiologos: oh! how do you use it? 17:02:03 well, first you have to sign the pledge with Satan 17:02:03 BTW I don’t really have an ouija but I can simulate it by means of a cat if I ever would want to 17:02:31 and the following steps should be obvious 17:02:50 imode: разница в том, что я сабжем не торгую. от слова совсем. и указанная миссия - действительно миссия. З.Ы. с головой всё нормально. 17:03:22 δεν μιλάς αγγλικά; 17:03:26 sorry, speak english. 17:03:42 arseniiv: не вопрос, бывает и непонимание 17:03:56 oh cmon 17:03:57 darn it man 17:04:02 stop, you've broken my bot 17:04:17 why do you have a bot in here. 17:04:34 to log the channel messags 17:04:41 your client does that. 17:04:43 ah 17:04:53 and there are log files in the topic of this channel. 17:04:53 russian characters are actually wide characters 17:05:04 yes, my bot is supplying one of these sites 17:05:12 `? logs 17:05:13 #esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ 17:05:17 which one. 17:05:23 Wide character in print at harvester.pl line 51. 17:05:23 at harvester.pl line 51. 17:05:24 LogBot::log(LogBot=HASH(0x55f49e95e340), "", "arseniiv: \x{43d}\x{435} \x{432}\x{43e}\x{43f}\x{440}\x{43e}\x{441}, \x{431}\x{44b}\x{432}\x{430}\x{435}\x{442} \x{438} \x{43d}\x{435}\x{43f}\x{43e}\x{43d}\x{438}\x{43c}\x{430}\x{43d}\x{438}\x{435}") called at harvester.pl line 166 17:05:27 imode: the last one I think 17:05:31 russian characters are actually wide characters => wait why, how 17:05:51 ^ apparently perl thinks so 17:06:09 b_jonas: ah, right. 17:06:25 imode: I mean, that's the new one, so that's the most likely to break 17:06:31 lol. 17:06:54 ^^ it used to work 17:06:56 for a long time 17:07:00 okay, returning to the thing I asked, should I give a log excerpt to that person or may I just rephrase what was brought? (Including CA and noita; interesting thing, I’ll watch a video later) 17:07:02 kspalaiologos: long time? it ran for a month 17:07:14 kspalaiologos: our channel is over twelve years old 17:07:27 i realise that 17:07:28 imode: really, it's either that, or an update on irc's side 17:07:31 ^ apparently perl thinks so => ah. Hm. It’s very strange to say the least 17:07:43 I have read the old IRC logs because I needed *something* 17:07:48 (shouldn’t it write in UTF-8 or something) 17:07:54 back from 2003 or sth 17:08:04 so yeah, this channel is quite old 17:08:10 arseniiv: if you write the program correctly 17:08:13 but my bot's been running for week and a half 17:08:22 arseniiv: in fact you should never _decode_ what you read from irc 17:08:26 because it's not in any defined encoding 17:08:37 it's just bytes, man. 17:08:47 though we usually view it in utf-8, you can send any byte string that doesn't have \x00 or \x0A or \x0D 17:09:00 imode: exactly, but people sometimes write programs with bugs and later fix it 17:09:01 it's normal 17:09:10 ok 17:09:19 now it shouldn't bail out now 17:09:51 but I can't tell what happened on 10.18 5:00-6:00 PM GMT 17:11:23 kspalaiologos: the esolangs.org log is backfilled after the fact from other bots when it's out. it is in fact pretty new, only like two years old, but fizzie added all the old logs retroactively to its archive 17:12:00 I've read a few mails from the mailing list 17:12:02 kspalaiologos: perhaps eventually he'll fill gaps from your logs too 17:12:07 is it even alive by now? 17:12:09 mailing list? what mailing list? 17:12:11 `? mailing list 17:12:12 mailing list? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:12:13 `? email 17:12:15 email? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:12:15 `? mail 17:12:16 mail? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:12:23 haha 17:12:54 esoteric.sange.fi I guess 17:12:59 we don't have a mailing list, even wgrep doesn't know about it 17:13:02 `? discord 17:13:03 discord? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:13:08 we had 17:13:11 a mailing list a long time ago 17:13:25 Good day 17:13:25 can you tell where with this: https://skyplaneru.wixsite.com/excessive? 17:13:25 I understand that in the community of programmers, but suddenly 17:13:41 nor do we have a discord 17:13:57 `? website 17:13:58 website? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:14:02 you don't have website too 17:14:02 `? wiki 17:14:06 The wiki is at . 17:14:11 kspalaiologos: ^ you have to search right 17:14:11 crap 17:14:14 you can grep wisdom 17:14:20 ``` grep -REi http wisdom 17:14:21 wisdom/ayacc:ayacc is ais523's yacc parser generator implementation, get it from darcs clone http://nethack4.org/projects/ayacc \ wisdom/dwfo:DWFO is the Doctor Who Fan Orchestra, . \ wisdom/homestuck:Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. Best summarized by http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05743.gif \ wisdom/hand injuries:Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomi 17:14:29 oh yeah 17:14:29 whoa 17:14:29 what 17:14:31 `? hand injuries 17:14:32 Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomic writers, see eg. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2314 or http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html 17:14:40 ^ I found a third example, I should add it there 17:14:56 I can't strive to understand this bot 17:15:00 what, why, how 17:15:10 `whatis ? 17:15:11 ?(1hackeso) - print wisdom by name \ ?(8lambdabot) - compose tree of lambdabot commands 17:15:16 `? wisdome 17:15:17 The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. Strictly speaking, it should be called the "Wissphere". 17:15:21 have you already trained muscle memory for the #esoteric bots? 17:15:28 ``` grep -REi http wisdom | tail -n+4 17:15:29 wisdom/hand injuries:Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomic writers, see eg. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2314 or http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html \ wisdom/pbflist:pbflist is update notification for the Perry Bible Fellowship webcomic. http://pbfcomics.com/ \ wisdom/log:#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https 17:15:52 ``` grep -REi wisdom 17:15:52 kspalaiologos: I use normal unix commands more than the extra-specialized stuff 17:16:03 kspalaiologos: bin/\? foo basically just prints wisdom/foo 17:16:04 ^ but, the structure of this bot 17:16:07 it does a few extra things, but not too much 17:16:13 ``` cat wisdom/"hand injury" 17:16:15 cat: 'wisdom/hand injury': No such file or directory 17:16:15 how do I execute command 17:16:17 ``` cat wisdom/"hand injuries" 17:16:17 Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomic writers, see eg. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2314 or http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html 17:16:19 ``` ls / 17:16:20 bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ sbin \ srv \ sys \ tmp \ usr 17:16:20 `? run 17:16:21 `run is HackEgo's builtin for running a command with full shell syntax. These days most use the user-made `` or ``` shortcuts instead, although all of the three have subtle differences, with `run being the most plain option (also, unlike the rest it cannot be called from other commands.) 17:16:22 No output. 17:16:23 ``` ls /bin 17:16:24 bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ dash \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ domainname \ echo \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ findmnt \ fuser \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ journalctl \ kill \ less \ lessecho \ lessfile \ lesskey \ lesspipe \ ln \ login \ loginctl \ ls \ lsblk \ mkdir \ mknod \ mktemp 17:16:35 so you say 17:16:40 that the users actually construct the bot 17:16:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:16:44 kspalaiologos: yes 17:16:47 that's 17:16:48 incredible 17:16:50 the commands were added by users 17:16:52 I am very excited for the Rise of Skywalker 17:16:55 that nobody has yet fscked up by this 17:16:58 `? spoilers 17:16:59 Don't give movie spoilers on channel. If you do, hppavilion may hire a hitman to hunt you down in real life and torture you in refined ways. 17:17:03 oh hi, hppavilion[1] 17:17:05 I have tickets to, like, the second showing in the state 17:17:08 kspalaiologos: sure we have 17:17:13 we made a lot of mistakes, then undone them 17:17:16 b_jonas: ...what that intentional or just the world's greatest timing? 17:17:21 hppavilion[1]: intentional 17:17:26 for example? 17:17:33 does the repl have root access? 17:17:34 b_jonas: But yes, that position does still stand 17:17:39 hppavilion[1]: you can see the history that I talked about that wisdom entry earlier because shachaf asked 17:17:58 ``` ls 17:17:59 a.out \ bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ f \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom 17:18:03 hppavilion[1]: and you have the same nick length as kspalaiologos so at first I thought it was he who said "I am very excited for the Rise of Skywalker" 17:18:03 ``` ./a.out 17:18:05 1.250000 17:18:09 hppavilion[1]: so I had to warn him 17:18:09 ??????? 17:18:14 kspalaiologos: you can experiment in tmp 17:18:15 `? tmp 17:18:16 tmp/ is a directory for files that are not worth saving in HackEgo history, but which should still outlive a single command. NOTE: It interacts funnily with HackEgo's lock and re-run commit check; files can DISAPPEAR if you don't know what you're doing. Basically, don't modify files inside and outside tmp/ in the same HackEgo command. 17:18:20 eg. 17:18:25 b_jonas: Huh, so I do 17:18:32 ``` cd tmp 17:18:33 No output. 17:18:35 ``` ls 17:18:36 a.out \ bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ f \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom 17:18:42 hm, so I have to 17:18:44 give a single command 17:18:55 b_jonas: But it isn't out for months, so if kspalaiologos happens to HAVE spoilers, I'd honestly be fascinated to know how (but not what they are) 17:19:13 ``` set -e; gcc -Wall -O -o tmp/a.out -x c - <<<$'#include\n''void main() { printf("this is a C program\n"); }'; tmp/a.out 17:19:15 [01m[K:2:6:[m[K [01;35m[Kwarning: [m[Kreturn type of '[01m[Kmain[m[K' is not '[01m[Kint[m[K' [[01;35m[K-Wmain[m[K] \ this is a C program 17:19:22