< 1573085206 689052 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1573085508 779519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1573085551 931516 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1573085735 600488 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1573085739 933409 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.4.44.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1573086446 663107 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1573092629 25080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1573094253 565053 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ehlrnncbqicgykkq JOIN :#esoteric < 1573094778 268946 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1573098135 157542 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Omam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66990&oldid=53229 5* 03Arcorann 5* (+96) 10 < 1573100746 978268 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573102037 514803 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ehlrnncbqicgykkq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1573103721 293916 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1573104217 86061 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573110840 912930 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573111500 884163 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573111659 270512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1572800 ... who thought this was a good idea? With this change I was never sure whether an underlined blue a,b was a single link or two links... fortunately, there's a switch. < 1573112057 636898 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This hardly comes up... I'm just rationalizing my dislike for that particular change.) < 1573112275 3261 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://esolangs.org/logs/2019-10-28.html#llb < 1573112280 165428 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't like the way it looks < 1573112690 870324 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573112927 93544 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1573112976 964107 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something to my complaint when you turn it around... to my brain, a break in the underline signifies the end of a link. (And links are the most common reason for underlined text in my browsing experience.) < 1573113128 684697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and I particularly dislike the handling of underlined 'g's, where none of the glyph is underlined anymore. < 1573113158 810688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the same is true for the aforementioned ',') < 1573114544 714593 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering is so old that it predates Pokémon. That seems so weird. I find it hard to imagine a world that has Magic: the Gathering but not Pokemon. Pokemon just seems more fundamental. < 1573114735 530564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. For all I know Pokemon is completely made up. < 1573114877 389109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is, but like having it as video games and story. Classical greek mythology is probably also completely made up, but it's hard to imagine our world (I'm saying this as a Europe-centric guy) without, because there's just so much heritage from it. < 1573114945 271637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I've never seen the video games nor the animated series... all I really have are second-hand stories. < 1573114957 409830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm seriously wondering how that happened. < 1573114981 805229 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1573114986 950880 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've never seen the video games? any of them? < 1573114999 176026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess completely avoiding gaming consoles has a lot to do with it. < 1573115005 31442 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you don't have to see any specific one, because they're all rather similar < 1573115015 484544 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've never seen any of them < 1573115038 280004 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how about the collectible card game? that of course is later than M:tG < 1573115081 871078 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played M:tG but only with other peoples' decks. < 1573115225 553313 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess many people have a huge genre that they have mostly avoided. DMM claims that it's video games in general, but I'm not entirely sure of it since he used to claim that he hasn't read Discworld. For me it's anime and manga. < 1573115305 113601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played too much on consoles either, except for the Game Boy, but have played a little, but I'm somewhat familiar with the more popular Nintendo games through videos on the internet now. < 1573115317 816935 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of wonder if I should get into them, in the nostalgic way that is, old games only. < 1573115394 413118 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure I don't want to play new video games, but the old ones are old enough that there's enough information about them that's not just recent hype so I can tell which games are worth to play. < 1573115402 629339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"should" - no. ;-) < 1573115485 783957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, it's not something that I have to decide right now < 1573115496 872435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are also old PC games that I should play more < 1573115563 844154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe there are too many new games for that < 1573115586 274578 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573115730 879848 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573115761 954341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-144.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573115879 665940 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1573118186 897827 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573118241 537683 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573118574 982656 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dgukthkatgeahbxy JOIN :#esoteric < 1573119414 977963 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573122520 535730 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573122944 920065 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1573124052 980141 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.4.44.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1573124971 873812 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573125093 518065 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how you can indicate dismissal of modern music with the joking question "have they started already or are they just tuning their instruments?" < 1573125111 629709 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that this can apply not only to modern music. < 1573125212 389342 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/?curid=18594726 is the digitization of a vintage music recording from 1889, supposedly of Brahms playing the 1st piece of Hungarian Dances on a piano. < 1573125245 736495 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the description, I couldn't tell that this is supposed to be a rendition of Hungarian Dances. < 1573125304 389168 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I could even tell that it's on a piano, because it sounds like a clavicord through that recording. < 1573125381 94983 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least one classical piece which wrote the sound of tuning the instruments into the score < 1573125403 905259 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old classical? < 1573125422 283843 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember, IIRC fairly old though < 1573125437 252029 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that quite common for string instruments? < 1573125454 637618 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, adjusting the string-length in-sound < 1573125469 685516 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I don't think so < 1573125556 152861 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly since I can tell that it's supposed to be a clavicord, as opposed to a band with stringed or wind instruments, the tuning question isn't quite accurate. < 1573125627 128366 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianos are tuned in advance, whereas most other stringed instruments are tuned on site before the concert. < 1573125662 647996 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because the piano takes the longest to tune, and you can afford not to tune one instrument. < 1573125683 674668 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That doesn't solve what you do with pieces for two pianos, which do exists, but are rare.) < 1573125694 933365 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also am wondering how one would write out what exactly 2cellos are doing sometimes. like, just smashing the bow onto the strings < 1573125778 296594 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't complain of course, there are good quality recordings of performances of the Hungarian Dances available as well. < 1573125791 597017 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that recording has the excuse that it's really old. < 1573125932 931305 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, different topic. < 1573125977 222505 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This morning on the tram, I heard a man talk in Swedish but with a very strong Hungarian accent. That's the first time I heard such a thing. < 1573126009 60003 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard sevearl people speak English in a strong Hungarian accent, but the same thing in Swedish was new. < 1573126094 392037 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's Swedish rather than Norwegian or Danish mostly because he said "två" rather than "to" < 1573126303 793425 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dgukthkatgeahbxy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1573126846 694762 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Program Is Mostly Ignored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66991&oldid=66982 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+4141) 10a modified version that 2-Echo Tag can implement > 1573126933 117485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Echo Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66992&oldid=66980 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (-2) 10/* Computational class */ link to TPIMI > 1573126952 607976 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Echo Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66993&oldid=66992 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+36) 10/* See also */ link to TPIMI < 1573127006 237936 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case anyone isn't following esowiki, it turns out that 2-Echo Tag can also implement (a modified version of) The Program Is Mostly Ignored < 1573127062 114177 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the resulting implementation is likely to be very slow, because in order to get an increase in the queue length (required for unbounded memory), you have to grow it by a factor of more than 48 by repeatedly multiplying by 1¼ < 1573127081 864913 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code needed to mediate that probably has length proportional to 2 to the power of the number of steps < 1573127150 246680 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason it's likely TC is that the mediating code has a length depending only on the number of multiplications, not on the size of the portion of the queue it's extending, so by creating a sufficiently long queue portion to extend you can make the mediating code small by comparison) < 1573127160 667111 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it only double-exponential, or triple-exponential? < 1573127193 221755 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: in the parameter that people care about, i.e. how fast the resulting program runs relative to the program you're compiling, I think it's actually linear < 1573127212 776173 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the constant factor is exponential in the size of the program, though (I think only singly-exponential though) < 1573127264 789465 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a program of size s that runs in t steps, after you compile it, you end up with something of size O(s*2**s) that runs in O(t*s*2**s) steps < 1573127281 291819 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, I might be a bit off on the complexities, given that I'm trying to calculate them in my head and don't have a concrete TCness construction yet < 1573127309 380849 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1573127311 100668 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the constant factor hidden by the big-O notation is likely over a billion < 1573127333 931846 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, this is still technically polynomial time :-P < 1573127336 494720 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, linear time) < 1573127371 728111 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun > 1573128001 407789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Program Is Mostly Ignored14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66994&oldid=66991 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+14) 10/* Implementation of the modified version in 2-Echo Tag */ don't underscore k/q, they're defined as sets of four bits, rather than as a single bit that gets repeated > 1573128006 569998 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66995&oldid=66067 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+118) 10/* pxemi.7z */ < 1573128023 691960 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1573129130 876423 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573129281 498668 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573130875 978471 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573131605 401065 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm quite sure I don't want to play new video games, but the old ones are old enough that there's enough information about them that's not just recent hype so I can tell which games are worth to play. ← I have a similar policy nowadays, I generally only buy games if I'm very familiar with them already and know they're good < 1573131653 531927 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long do you wait to play rimworld? < 1573131658 388472 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: makes sense < 1573131662 162477 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem with this policy is that the games are often hard to obtain as a consequence; typically the prices are very low but the supply is also very low, and I don't like going to online auction sites or the like < 1573131705 782793 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've tried to increase the probability by checking out the local second-hand computer game shops whenever I visit a new area; normally there's nothing there I want, but sometimes there's something worth buying, e.g. that's how I purchased my copy of Sonic Advance 3) < 1573131728 345960 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for classic nintendo carts, the supply is decent and the prices aren't too high. for old DOS games by Id, there's usually no supply, so the ones that aren't freeware you can't legally buy at all, but you can easily obtain a copy. < 1573131748 542488 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't pirate computer games < 1573131755 887942 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm mostly keeping to console games and free PC games < 1573131762 142079 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(paid PC games tend to have issues with DRM anyway) < 1573131784 301246 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few very good PC games that I purchased (most notably Neverwinter Nights), though < 1573131832 984813 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in this case I'm talking about Commander Keen 2 and 3. those are impossible to buy, and I intend to play them. I want to do a 100% completion for CK3 (I've never beaten the boss, but mind you, it's the hardest boss in the series), and CK2 I want to get more familiar with (I have completed it) < 1573131867 251783 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think the company is missing an opportunity there, if they have things they can sell and people want to buy < 1573131877 728916 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for free PC games, I really like OpenTTD, which started as a clone of the commertial game Transport Tycoon Deluxe, and became a decent clone, but then grew past it and became better < 1573131921 984123 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe, but I think they wouldn't earn much money from it, compared to what they get from their more recent games, < 1573131928 895580 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, oddly, I think every PC game I've played in the past few years has permadeath/perma-consequence < 1573131950 175714 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to being roguelikes, but some of them are puzzle games or other genres for which permadeath makes sense < 1573131953 260620 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, I'm not sure, but they might be in a situation where no one company owns the rights to sell the game, and the multiple owners can't come to an agreement < 1573131966 982938 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you can get a large portion of games without drm through the humblebundle store < 1573131968 97689 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, unless you count Tetravex but I'm not convinced you should < 1573131980 663776 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: indeed, many of my purchased games were obtained like that < 1573131991 143012 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also try OpenRTC, which is a similar clone of another game by Chris Sawyer (the creator of OpenTTD), but I'm not yet sure it's for me < 1573131996 231716 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few through GOG, who tend to patch the DRM out of old games they sell < 1573132016 679780 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have both the original disk copy of Neverwinter Nights with DRM intact, and a fully-updated version via GOG) < 1573132028 760123 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes when you're speedrunning playing the buggy version is more fun thoug) < 1573132031 947349 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1573132046 113075 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nostalgia for Railroad Tycoon, but the problem is, OpenRTC is a clone of Railroad Tycoon 2, which is a very different game < 1573132063 809586 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any tetris-likes? < 1573132102 941578 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you consider the time limit on moves to be part of a tetris-like, no < 1573132134 215839 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like puzzle games but have mostly been playing ones with no time limits on the move < 1573132142 762886 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about with no time limit, but you don't know of all future random pieces that you'll get when you have to commit the current one? < 1573132144 905475 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, I used to play Enigma a lot, and some levels there have limits) < 1573132151 252712 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: yes, I play those quite a lot < 1573132157 896082 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1573132164 827623 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly as a distraction while waiting for compiles or the like < 1573132188 251159 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been playing any video games recently, < 1573132196 362888 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I should get back to them a little eventually < 1573132213 747504 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too much, I don't intend to become a professional gamer or anything > 1573132214 780430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Basis14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66996&oldid=66976 5* 03A 5* (+562) 10 < 1573132265 953126 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode assuming it's your language, you should give the 01[] language a name and add it to the wiki (OK, so it's probably technically a brainfuck derivative, but it's different enough that there's unlikely to be an issue) < 1573132266 21589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1573132372 474123 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh, naming them is the hardest part < 1573132380 290375 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I ended up with (1) and 1.1 < 1573132409 366763 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 01[] isn't terrible as a name (although I'm not convinced it's a valid page name for the wiki) < 1573132482 943625 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, you can't have square brackets in the name < 1573132501 952388 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's the rule I thought it violated < 1573132506 805424 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C# isn't a valid page name either < 1573132522 742630 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wikipedia has some problems with C, C++, C# languages > 1573132530 282218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Basis14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66997&oldid=66996 5* 03A 5* (+79) 10 < 1573132540 371505 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C♯ is a valid page name, and the actual name of the language IIRC < 1573132552 172229 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just considered legitimate to use # to represent ♯ when typing it) < 1573132580 821540 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : However the ECMA 334 standard states: "The name C# is written as the LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C (U+0043) followed by the NUMBER SIGN # (U+0023)." < 1573132582 257389 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm > 1573132585 627053 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Basis14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66998&oldid=66997 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10/* Print "Element" without using letters */ < 1573132592 746547 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we have a standard on how to write it > 1573132700 636722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Basis14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66999&oldid=66998 5* 03A 5* (-27) 10/* Interpret Deadfish */ < 1573133378 964848 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ECMA standard about the programming language? < 1573133398 408770 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, looks like it is < 1573134382 445825 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it's not even the worst name that Microsoft gave < 1573134860 703516 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uowyrinzwjvslrsi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1573135196 408853 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, C# has covariant arrays just like Java does? I thought that was widely considered a design mistake in Java, I wonder why C# copied it? < 1573135236 242266 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the better approach, IMO, would be to have a specific "unmodifiable array" type that arrays can be cast to, but not cast back from; that type would be covariant even though the underlying array isn't) < 1573135270 882356 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how that works in Java, luckily < 1573135274 800497 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't follow Java < 1573135333 275645 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Java, if type X extends (i.e. is a subtype of) type Y, an array X[] can be cast to an array Y[] without error < 1573135348 670694 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can read Y objects from your Y[] without issue (because all your X objects are Y objects) < 1573135358 756511 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but how can that work with mutable arrays? < 1573135366 196982 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you try to store a Y that isn't an X into your Y[], you get a runtime error (because the Y[] is actually an X[] so only Xes can be stored in it) < 1573135383 574043 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the short answer is that it doesn't, which is why it's considered a design mistake < 1573135429 581441 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1573135525 679563 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, C++ has one of these stupid situations too, where you can get a runtime error for something that would usually give you a compile time error: < 1573135531 727041 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackoverflow claims, this came at a time without generics < 1573135540 347360 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1573135547 860827 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a while for Java to add generics < 1573135563 592358 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hipvyozqxgshedcz JOIN :#esoteric < 1573135566 222443 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you call an abstract method on a class that is only partly constructed, so it's currently an absract class, you can get a runtime exception < 1573135569 655194 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and when they did, the Java compiler became Turing-complete) < 1573135599 155372 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the java compiler Turing-complete even before that, for other reasons? < 1573135611 598681 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly? I'm not sure what language feature you'd use, though < 1573135630 679692 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that in a compiled language, having a Turing-complete language and a Turing-complete compiler are quite different < 1573135637 237966 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most (all?) BF compilers are not TC < 1573135647 243492 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the compilation always halts < 1573135651 77580 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1573135674 627866 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the C compiler without the preprocessor is probably not turing-complete < 1573135692 180497 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the preprocessor it probably still isn't turing-complete < 1573135714 332078 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I think all loops in the preprocessor are either provably infinite or provably finite < 1573135715 225747 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the C++ compiler is probably turing-complete < 1573135720 30676 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that it can't be TC < 1573135745 283989 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly TC for recent enough versions of C++ < 1573135752 622487 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is definitely TC at compile time, C++-at-compile-time is sometimes seen as a language choice in programming competitions because of this < 1573135776 127090 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(allegedly, one year someone used this in order to get around runtime restrictions in the IOI, by doing the entire logic of their program at compile time; they added compile time restrictions too the year after) < 1573135829 755692 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh yeah, < 1573135846 244729 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1573135870 62184 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least two competition tasks where the result that your program can generate can fit in a few screenfuls, so the program runtime can be made trivial, even in C, < 1573135874 904044 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573135878 711673 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is trivially TC at compile time because it has a keyword to run code during the compile < 1573135881 286017 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though generating those results in first place can be hard < 1573135913 344976 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: that's a good point: if you have the time to actually run your program, why not just work out what the result is, and write a program that prints it as the constant string? < 1573135927 237961 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the IOI probably marks you on what the code does in addition to getting the result right, so that trick wouldn't work there < 1573135964 686001 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that works, but the competitions themselves have a submission deadline, so the limitation is that the human has to somehow compute the result by then < 1573135968 608522 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL actually has a command-line option, -F, to do this optimisation (i.e. first statically analyse the program to see if it has constant output; if it does, run the program and just generate an executable that hardcodes the output) < 1573135972 406298 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOI? < 1573135987 621894 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :international olympiad in informatics, I think? I mostly only know it by the acronym < 1573135996 71578 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1573135997 337318 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know how it's scored < 1573136002 447192 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Olympiad_in_Informatics < 1573136009 97360 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like two of them, and I know of them indirectly < 1573136023 994541 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought, "informatics" is not a thing in english < 1573136042 294392 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but it's a technical word that isn't in common use < 1573136056 93499 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC many languages use similar words much more freely / in an everyday sense < 1573136099 105039 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in germany, the studying subject "computer science" is just called informatik < 1573136144 337834 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once mentioned somewhere i am studying informatics and people where like "what?" < 1573136158 963221 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though bioinformatics is called bioinformatics < 1573136163 597654 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jyamchhagsjxkczi JOIN :#esoteric < 1573136220 659645 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the competition tasks was to generate the truncatable primes http://oeis.org/A024770 , those ones whose number of digits equals to the program input. that's a finite sequence, so I solved this by precomputing and embedding each of the replies into the program. < 1573136249 587454 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I think it's a europeanism that isn't used in english, but is used in the continent, so it works for the name of that contest < 1573136418 808024 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other such task is trickier, it's the farming puzzle in http://ch24.org/static/archive/2008/2008_ec.pdf . that one has less than 15 essentially distinct inputs. however, < 1573136457 663518 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a competition round where you aren't judged by your code, and the input set is public as soon as the problem is, you only send the outputs as the solution, < 1573136475 555699 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a problem that there are so few inputs and that you can hard-code them, generating the outputs still isn't trivial, < 1573136511 484284 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unlike the previous case, you probably couldn't even look up the results in the OEIS or elsewhere online before the contest < 1573136540 194209 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be worthwhile to have a language with every OEIS sequence as a builtin < 1573136548 505405 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'd probably need flow control, but nothing else, to make a usable language) < 1573136554 107595 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it would be a huge amount of effort < 1573136573 135814 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it's not trivial to download dumps from OEIS, so it's hard to make this run off-line < 1573136603 899576 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course *every* OEIS sequence is impossible if you take it too literally < 1573136605 358413 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably need to write the code yourself < 1573136610 79259 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many OEIS sequences could work < 1573136677 571522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I was in university, they had a "Laboratory of Theoretical Computer Science" (TCS for short, for proper CS: computational complexity, logic, cryptography, distributed computation) and "Laboratory of Computer and Information Science" (CIS for short, for machine learning and such), which they merged to "Department of Information and Computer Science" (ICS, for all the sciencey computer science < 1573136683 529497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff); which were all entirely parallel to the Department of (just) Computer Science (CS for short, for all the engineeringy software development stuff). < 1573136851 928915 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it would have to be uncomputable, because there are a few uncomputable sequences in OEIS, like http://oeis.org/A028444 < 1573136875 424498 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of sequences that are at least semi-computable but we don't have an efficient way to compute them < 1573138960 306130 :ais523_!93bcc3cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.203 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1573140098 30570 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1573140377 76462 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hipvyozqxgshedcz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573140435 497604 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1185 < 1573140436 366532 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1185: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1573140437 334172 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks fungot < 1573140437 396099 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: it's so nice. now you'll think of her as the seventh member, then. meet. for example, the week after we finish, pally. it is not acceptable to cast, i should know < 1573140438 7567 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fungot. Thungot. < 1573140463 804388 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hey, no spoilers! we'll read the strip, don't give it away < 1573140463 852414 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: a lot. way more for all that, may i suggest that i would do such as that, yes of course"? you're, like, and you get if we go down a level! < 1573140603 953230 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1573140801 362333 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nlqtximtujxgepxk JOIN :#esoteric < 1573141179 273877 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how will they take that photo in the council room that Elan wanted to take in #1178 ? < 1573141667 368709 :ais523__!93bc07d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.7.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573142001 578162 :ais523__!93bc07d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.7.213 NICK :ais523 < 1573142012 893829 :ais523!93bc07d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.7.213 NICK :ais523__ < 1573143042 668381 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think of her as the seventh member anyway. I think of her as the sixth member, who will replace Belkar soon after he dies. Adventuring parties can't have more than six members, any more than you can carry more than six pokémon on you. < 1573143497 910 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573144133 552604 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1573144539 941741 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1573146088 835717 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573147783 684623 :ais523__!93bc07d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.7.213 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1573147973 546648 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573148510 347752 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573148996 39865 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1573149078 538773 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.41.252.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1573149131 993065 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.4.44.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1573149402 921108 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.6 < 1573149585 861350 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1573149593 981954 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1573150306 882290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1573150381 290119 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-148.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1573153147 307574 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: kritixilithos < 1573153334 941848 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jyamchhagsjxkczi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1573153349 630793 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573153498 287350 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573154584 895289 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1573154847 351656 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573155491 165080 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573156504 662064 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573158145 703949 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a regular polygon with 6.776 sides, the sides have the same length as the radius of the incircle < 1573158375 596423 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573158616 919520 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly? < 1573158623 556897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no > 1573158643 529360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67000&oldid=66799 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+37) 10/* Quine */ < 1573159029 58470 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1573159274 878472 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1573159953 545853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Plugh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67001 5* 03Joshop 5* (+628) 10Created page with "Plugh is a stack based language which is missing one of the key features of stack based languages: a push operation. Working around this is somewhat annoying to do. ==Syntax==..." < 1573163830 530732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1573165343 116745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Program Is Mostly Ignored14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67002&oldid=66994 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10Tweak invisible formatting in attempt to make diff sane < 1573165361 867729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah it worked < 1573165460 227052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an outrage that mediawiki's diff can get so easily confused by line breaks < 1573165649 316012 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OIC < 1573165676 399898 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that effect is amazing < 1573165682 821152 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1573166624 146003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it is mainly finding lines that match exactly, and changed lines only get matched with their old version if they don't change position relative to the unchanged ones. < 1573168506 210227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1573168509 640595 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:inverness//Inverness is a city in Scotland. The ring road isn't multiplicative. \ welcome.ru//Добро пожаловать в Международный центр по разработке и внедрению языков эзотерического программирования! Для получения дополнительной информации посетите wiki: . (Для другого < 1573168513 325426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1573168514 95715 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:ипа эзотеризма попробуйте #esoteric в EFnet или DALnet.) \ elendil//Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron. \ sentience//sentience is the primary goal of wisdom. wi < 1573168518 859072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1573168519 522020 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:sdom is the primary goal of sentience. \ keming//Keming is a text compression scheme popular in Word processors. < 1573170101 235855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving