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06:54:46 <kritixilithos> arseniiv: (re rule 30) it mentions that it is 10k per problem, so their total is 30k
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14:19:23 <tswett[m]> "The message wasn't exactly unexpected to Stanton because he reads my blog, Spicy Lady: Trapped in Wifeworld."
14:31:01 <fizzie> Sounds like an esolang title, but probably just because of Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon.
14:32:49 <fizzie> I realized pretty late that the original inspiration was probably "Real Fast (Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download", not "((Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download".
14:34:29 <myname> yeah, but this disambiguity is missing in "Spicy Lady: Trapped in Wifeworld"
14:34:39 <myname> so i would consider it a worse name
14:35:08 <FireFly> fizzie: huh, I.. didn't realise til now
14:35:18 <FireFly> I prefer the former interpretation still
14:35:19 <fizzie> I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
14:35:26 <fizzie> Yes, it's always going to be Real Fast Nora to me.
14:35:37 <kingoffrance> i guess its the feminist version of leisure suit larry
14:36:38 <kingoffrance> the non-laugter is because you know that is totally possible
14:40:03 <myname> did anybody ever watch nora's hair salon 3?
14:41:10 <imode> just did a quick search on it. I don't think _anybody_ watched these movies.
14:44:06 <myname> if there is ever a "bigger" esolang meeting, I demand watching that
14:44:10 <fizzie> Well, 44 IMDb users have given it a rating.
14:44:50 <myname> also, I initially read it as (Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: (Shear Disaster Download)
14:45:13 <myname> which i find funnier than your second reading
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14:51:35 <wib_jonas> fizzie: the esolangs.org logs don't load again, with 504 Gateway timeout. just in case you want to debug this.
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15:00:59 <fizzie> I wonder what's up with that.
15:02:21 <fizzie> The listening socket has 40 connections pending, if I'm parsing netstat -nlp right, and it got incremented by 1 when I did a reload.
15:03:00 <fizzie> So I guess it most likely means the process is stuck blocking on something, and not running the main event loop / accepting connections.
15:04:10 <fizzie> I will, I just think it might not be a debug-enabled build.
15:04:35 <fizzie> I guess it'll show if it's currently in the middle of a system call, at least.
15:04:36 <wib_jonas> also, try blowing into the network cable to clean the packets stuck in it
15:04:52 <fizzie> I think there was some way of asking the kernel what the process is doing as well?
15:04:58 <fizzie> (It's state: sleeping.)
15:06:29 <fizzie> Let's poke it with a debugger.
15:06:57 <fizzie> Well, it's got symbols, which is good.
15:07:00 <wib_jonas> maybe it already has too many connections that it's trying to handle, which is why it doesn't accept new ones
15:07:06 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * SergeJohanns * New user account
15:07:42 <fizzie> Stack trace is main > event::Loop::Poll() > poll. But maybe some of the variables in the upper frame can help.
15:08:11 <wib_jonas> what server is this? does it serve only the logs?
15:08:21 <fizzie> Oh, just function names.
15:08:27 <wib_jonas> is it a custom server that you wrote?
15:08:28 <fizzie> "No symbol table info available."
15:08:39 <fizzie> Yes, it's a custom server, and it serves only the logs/ endpoint.
15:08:56 <wib_jonas> oh, that's even better. now you have to reproduce the exact build to get debug info separately
15:09:28 <fizzie> I think I'll just restart it for now, and later upload a proper debuggable binary and wait for it to get wedged again.
15:10:00 <wib_jonas> that sounds like a less esoteric but better plan
15:10:18 <wib_jonas> you could also add some logging statements into it
15:10:29 <fizzie> ...one thing I could've done, but didn't, was to check what file descriptors it had open.
15:11:22 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67041&oldid=67016 * SergeJohanns * (+263) /* Introductions */
15:12:07 <wib_jonas> still doesn't load. I think it has some problem with the latest html page https://esolangs.org/logs/2019-11-14.html
15:12:23 <fizzie> Ooh, well, that's good.
15:12:30 <fizzie> Because it means the breakage will be reproducilbe.
15:13:45 <fizzie> Hm, well, it rendered that link for me now (that I restarted it again).
15:14:06 <fizzie> Maybe I should look at the nginx request log too.
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15:16:12 <fizzie> Something called "The Knowledge AI" (by User-Agent) appears to be crawling the logs at the moment.
15:16:40 <fizzie> I hope it'll learn many useful things from them.
15:17:37 <wib_jonas> fizzie: do the other parts of its request tell anything useful?
15:17:59 <wib_jonas> when I crawl a site, I put my email address into part of the user-agent
15:20:58 <fizzie> Not really. The IP was from a Hurricane Electric block, no contact details or links in User-Agent.
15:22:42 <fizzie> As for the /logs endpoint, it's been up and down sporadically, but not with an obvious pattern: https://zem.fi/tmp/down.png
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16:12:06 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/`: line 5: labels: command not found
16:12:16 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/`: line 5: labels.pl: command not found
16:12:29 <HackEso> banana.txt \ bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ f \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ stuff.b \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
16:12:35 <HackEso> a.c \ a.out \ as-encoding \ asmbf-1.1.1 \ banana.txt \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ hexdump.hex \ input.brachylog \ jeval.whatis \ just \ out \ OUT \ out.a \ out.a.hd \ out.a.xxd \ paste \ single-word-character-names \ spline \ spout \ spout.raw \ test.b \ test.sh \ tmp.txt \ v1.1.1.tar.gz
16:12:52 <HackEso> AUTHORS \ bconv.c \ bfasm.asm \ bfasm.b \ bfasm.c \ bfasm.rs \ bfi.c \ bfintd.c \ bfmake \ bfpp \ bin \ doc \ examples \ INSTALL \ labels.pl \ LICENSE \ Makefile \ NEWS \ README \ strip.pl \ test \ test.pl \ TODO \ VERSIONING
16:13:07 <HackEso> cp: -r not specified; omitting directory '/hackenv/bin/'
16:13:26 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/`: line 5: /hackenv/bin/labels.pl: Permission denied
16:13:55 <HackEso> wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
16:14:48 <HackEso> As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try listing it in private instead.
16:18:07 <fizzie> Lo, there are many planets in the archipelago of worlds, as there are of ways to add wisdoms.
16:19:02 <fizzie> Also I really should've archived that webcomic while it still existed, I think it's gone now. *sad*
16:22:25 <fizzie> The standard tools are learn and le//rn, I believe.
16:22:29 <HackEso> `learn creates a wisdom entry and tries to guess which word is the key. Syntax (case insensitive): `learn [a|an|the] <keyword>[s][punctuation] [...]
16:22:31 <HackEso> le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. Usage: `le/[/]rn <key>//<wisdom>
16:24:38 <fizzie> Hm, if we were building HackEso from scratch, I would probably make the current directory a non-version-controlled one. It's far too easy to end up with permanent history of ephemeral stuff.
16:24:51 <fizzie> `` rm banana.txt stuff.b
16:25:29 <fizzie> (I suspect switching the default working directory from /hackenv to /hackenv/tmp would break too many things.)
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17:07:10 <esowiki> [[BrainCurry]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67042 * SergeJohanns * (+6955) Initial BrainCurry page
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17:27:40 <fizzie> Yes, there should probably be a manual.
17:42:15 <esowiki> [[BrainCurry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67044&oldid=67042 * SergeJohanns * (+2) /* Computational class */
17:53:33 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67045&oldid=67043 * CMinusMinus * (+10) /* P */
17:53:56 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67046&oldid=67045 * CMinusMinus * (+0) /* P */
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20:42:01 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: re HackEso manual, try the whatis database, which lists HackEso commands together with a short summary about what they do
20:42:18 <HackEso> /srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `whatis: not found
20:46:14 <HackEso> w(1) - Show who is logged on and what they are doing. \ w(1hackeso) - print random wisdom matching a string
20:46:37 <HackEso> doag(1hackeso) - query hackenv version control log, with dates
20:46:42 <b_jonas> why isn't there a ! entry?
20:47:08 <HackEso> recipe(1hackeso) - print snippet from cookbook
20:47:09 <HackEso> 2 tb Freshly ground black pepper \ -(10 oz) orange juice \ 1 ts Cornstarch \ 1/2 ts Cayenne pepper \ 1/2 ts Pepper \ 3 tb Granulated sugar \ 2 c Canned peaches, drained \ - minced \ 2 ts Baking soda \ 8 oz Green onions \ \ Combine flour and butter or cooking spray. Topped: Cook beef and peppers. \ Cool completely. \ \ Preheat oven to 375F. To cool completely onto prepared cheesecloth. Cover and simmer for 30 minutes, until
20:47:13 <HackEso> sport(1hackeso) - wrap text to irc lines
20:49:42 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: the wisdome has more detailed help about some commands
20:50:15 <HackEso> `[hd]o[aw][gt] [<filename>] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first.
20:50:39 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne '/^([^(]+)\([18]hackeso\) - (?!no description)/ and print "$1 "' share/whatis | sport
20:50:40 <HackEso> 1/2:fetch run revert help " ' 1 2 4 5 5w ? ReLcOmE WELCOME WeLcOmE ` `` aglist allquotes bardsworthlist benvenuto bienvenido bienvenue bobadventureslist calesyta2016list card-by-name coins ctof culprits cwlprits datei dateu doag doat don'taskdon'ttelllist dontaskdonttelllist dowg dowt edit ehlist elcome emoclew forget fromroman grwp hello hi hoag hoat howg howt hurl hwrl ioccclist keenlist
20:50:43 <HackEso> 2/2: learn learn_append list makelist makelistlist mkx n nooodl: olist paste pbflist ping pom prefixes q quine quote quotes random-card recipe relcome rot13 slashlearn slbd sled slwd smlist source spam spore sport starwars tervetuloa thanks toroman undo url velcome velkomin velkommen välkommen w wElCoMe wdit welcome welkom whoami wiki willkommen wisdom words xkcdwhatiflist beat
20:50:47 <HackEso> 1/2:fetch run revert help " ' 1 2 4 5 5w ? ReLcOmE WELCOME WeLcOmE ` `` aglist allquotes bardsworthlist benvenuto bienvenido bienvenue bobadventureslist calesyta2016list card-by-name coins ctof culprits cwlprits datei dateu doag doat don'taskdon'ttelllist dontaskdonttelllist dowg dowt edit ehlist elcome emoclew forget fromroman grwp hello hi hoag hoat howg howt hurl hwrl ioccclist keenlist
20:50:56 <b_jonas> ^ those are some of the more important commands
20:51:11 <b_jonas> I have to add an entry for \! though, I don't know why there isn't one
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20:53:22 <b_jonas> fizzie: switching the working directory to tmp => yes, in particular bin/? looks for the wisdom database at a relative path in wisdom
20:53:32 <HackEso> fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
20:53:36 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/?: line 5: cd: wisdom: No such file or directory \ fizzie? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:55:36 <b_jonas> that is probably a bug, it should look relative to $HOME, which the shell helps you to do with the tilde shortcut
20:59:44 <b_jonas> I wonder if learn does that too
21:21:22 <fizzie> Everything *could* be relative to $HACKENV, but...
21:35:09 <b_jonas> fizzie: so would it be ok if I changed bin/\? and some other commands where it makes sense to not use relative path?
21:36:25 <b_jonas> oh right, I should change the commands that I created first
21:36:27 <HackEso> #!/bin/sh \ exec perl -e 'local$/=\999;seek STDIN,rand((-s STDIN)-299),0 or die;print<STDIN>=~y/ \t/ /sr;' < share/recipe/recipes.txt
21:37:02 <b_jonas> the good thing is, we probably don't have to change le//rn
21:38:05 <b_jonas> I probably don't dare to change bin/list , even though I know it looks at the logs of a different file, not of the executable itself
21:38:31 <b_jonas> but bin/\? and bin/learn can change
21:38:41 <b_jonas> anyway, changing the commands that I created first
21:40:46 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd tmp; recipe
21:40:47 <HackEso> he bay the potatoes, and bran in bowl. Cook, then \ stiring well. Add beans in a weight keeps to set aside. Cover fryer \ and serve on beef and serve with an electric tarting delicate such as possible \ and pecans agone all the salads are soft. varinated by the cold \ and refrigerate until the boiling and boils a patty are lightly browned. \ \ TO: TOPPING: 26 minutes or until the cooking with oil. Using a 275\F8F oven about 1 \ hour.)
21:43:24 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd tmp; random-card
21:43:25 <HackEso> No such file or directory at -e line 1.
21:43:38 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd tmp; random-card
21:43:39 <HackEso> Unknown regexp modifier "/h" at -e line 1, within string \ Unknown regexp modifier "/r" at -e line 1, within string \ Unknown regexp modifier "/e" at -e line 1, within string \ Missing right curly or square bracket at -e line 1, within string \ syntax error at -e line 1, at EOF \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
21:45:39 <fizzie> I have no objections about robustifying any of the commands.
21:45:58 <fizzie> Also, I would hope that nobody's relying on HackEso for mission-critical services. It has no SLO or SLA.
21:45:59 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd tmp; random-card
21:46:00 <HackEso> Huntmaster of the Fells \ 2RG \ Creature -- Human Werewolf \ 2/2 \ Whenever this creature enters the battlefield or transforms into Huntmaster of the Fells, create a 2/2 green Wolf creature token and you gain 2 life. \ At the beginning of each upkeep, if no spells were cast last turn, transform Huntmaster of the Fells. \ [Front face. Transforms into Ravager of the Fells.] \ DKA-M, V17-M
21:46:17 <HackEso> HACKE[GS]O COMES WITHOUT WARRANTY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND IS UNFIT FOR ANY PURPOSE, INCLUDING THE PURPOSE OF BEING UNFIT FOR ANYTHING. Its warranty has expired.
21:48:35 <b_jonas> I knew that bin/\? uses relative path because that actually caused me problems when I wrote some command to search for certain wisdoms
21:49:22 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd tmp; scheme # I have to fix this too
21:49:23 <HackEso> Can't open share/mtg/allsets.txt: No such file or directory.
21:52:29 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd tmp; scheme
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23:00:30 <HackEso> In Bolas's Clutches \ 4UU \ Legendary Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant permanent \ You control enchanted permanent. \ Enchanted permanent is legendary. \ DOM-U
23:00:36 <HackEso> Slave of Bolas \ 3(u/r)B \ Sorcery \ Gain control of target creature. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. \ ARB-U, E01-U, DDH-U
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