00:04:46 -!- FreeFull has quit. 00:25:34 -!- xkapastel has joined. 00:30:11 shachaf: what do you think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faddeev%E2%80%93LeVerrier_algorithm 00:33:22 I don't think much of it right now. Should I? 00:38:49 It can compute adjoint matrices and determinants, which is nice. Seems to be competetive for that purpose on 9x9 matrices. 00:40:08 (I'm still tinkering with http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/November2019.html ) 00:50:01 https://arxiv.org/abs/1206.7067 was more illuminating really. 00:52:34 [[Talk:Cell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67507&oldid=67499 * JonoCode9374 * (+602) /* Addition of Looping Commands */ new section 01:02:48 Aha. 01:23:38 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:27:59 `wisdom waha 01:28:01 That's not wise. 01:32:19 `../canary 01:32:19 ​../canary? 01:33:30 fizzie: having it give the same cryptic error message on non-executable files as non-existing ones may be confusing given how often we forget to do chmod +x 01:33:58 I guess it's appropriate that a canary is executable... since its main purpose is to warn others by dying off? 01:34:13 `` ls -l ../canary 01:34:14 ​-rw-r--r-- 1 1000 1000 101 Jul 19 21:53 ../canary 01:34:15 ;) 01:34:18 it's not 01:34:28 `` ../canary 01:34:28 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: ../canary: Permission denied 01:34:28 i was testing the error message 01:34:40 right. 01:35:12 `../absent 01:35:13 ​../absent? 01:35:25 hm... 01:35:34 `which cp 01:35:35 ​/bin/cp 01:36:13 `u mk bin/cp//Testing... 01:36:16 bin/cp 01:36:22 `` cp a b 01:36:23 cp: cannot stat 'a': No such file or directory 01:36:28 ic 01:36:38 `u rm bin/cp 01:36:42 `cat ../bin/u 01:36:43 No output. 01:36:45 cd "${HACKENV-/hackenv}"; nur "$1" 01:36:58 `cat ../bin/nur 01:36:58 ​#!/bin/bash \ if grep -q \ <<<"$1"; then "${1%% *}" "${1#* }"; else "$1"; fi 01:37:18 int-e: i got tired of doing ../ all the time. wait, `u is the same length :( 01:37:43 short for `up? 01:37:47 yeah 01:38:33 oh i forgot an important part 01:38:35 `revert 01:38:36 Done. 01:38:40 `cp testing 01:38:40 cp: missing destination file operand after 'testing' \ Try 'cp --help' for more information. 01:38:44 `revert 01:38:45 Done. 01:39:11 ok so fizzie's command search also skips non-executable files 01:39:32 I'm just following the standard. 01:39:40 but unlike the normal shell, it ignores them even if it finds no executable match 01:39:57 `` fnord 01:39:58 ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: fnord: command not found 01:40:38 `fnord 01:40:38 fnord? No such file or directory 01:41:14 `../canary 01:41:14 ​../canary? Permission denied 01:41:27 yay 01:41:56 It should follow the standard practice now, assuming I didn't include any bugs. 01:42:11 "If permission is denied for a file (the attempted execve(2) failed with the error EACCES), these functions will continue searching the rest of the search path. If no other file is found, however, they will return with errno set to EACCES." 01:43:56 no wait, `u is shorter because i don't need another ` 01:44:16 it's all good 01:45:37 oh hm 01:45:42 maybe i should rename it 01:45:58 `u is three keypresses but `r is just two, because ù exists 01:45:59 ​/hackenv/bin/nur: line 2: is: command not found 01:46:13 I was thinking `^ because it's the up arrow, but that's just silly. 01:46:33 hm that actually works, both use the same shift key for me 01:46:51 although i'm not sure for a different keyboard 01:47:02 They don't for UK or US, but who's counting? 01:47:20 (The ` is unshifted, ^ is on shift-6.) 01:50:06 `^ 01:50:10 ​^? No such file or directory 01:51:29 `~ 01:51:30 ​~? No such file or directory 01:51:45 int-e: ~ means $HOME which is /tmp 01:52:05 `ls ~ 01:52:07 ;) 01:52:08 ls: cannot access '~': No such file or directory 01:52:16 `` ls ~ 01:52:17 No output. 01:52:31 also ~ uses a different modifier key than ` for me 01:52:33 oerjan: It only means that in shells. 01:52:46 here ~ is shift-` 01:52:49 _and_ i need a space after ~. 01:52:50 and it's not a dead key. 01:53:08 `¬ hth 01:53:09 ​¬? No such file or directory 01:53:16 That's shift-` here. 01:53:21 so 3 presses, 5 keys total 01:53:33 * oerjan swats fizzie -----### 01:55:51 Another little oddity of the UK layout is that there is exactly one third-level symbol printed on a keycap, and that's the broken bar, which is altgr-`... except that it's anyone's guess whether it'll actually produce a broken bar or just the regular |. On this system it's just a |. 01:56:20 So there's the \| key (plain, shifted) next to z, but also the `¬| key next to 1. 01:57:01 I think someone operating systems will actually produce a ¦ out of it though. 01:57:27 oh what about `< 01:57:40 oerjan: that's even worse than `u 01:57:56 not for me ;) 01:58:03 (further away and needs a shift) 01:58:26 < is unshifted left of z here 01:59:39 Ah I guess I don't actually care. It's easy to complain though. 01:59:54 `complain int-e complains too much 01:59:56 Complaint filed. Thank you. 02:00:03 Wonder which one's more useless, the UK's ¬ or the Finnish/Swedish ½, for the "shifted left of 1" position. 02:00:32 i have § there hth 02:00:59 Finnish keyboard layout has § there as the unshifted. 02:01:10 and now begins my quest to convince my employer that working on an esolang is a useful way of spending company time. 02:01:24 UK's missing § completely, they don't go for legalese over here. 02:02:01 `t 02:02:04 t? No such file or directory 02:02:09 oerjan: shachaf's still leading in the complaint department, followed by you ;) 02:02:50 shocking 02:03:00 (Well, it's hard to count, actually; two of your changes were `sled invokations) 02:03:05 `u `mv bin/{u,t} 02:03:06 ​/hackenv/bin/nur: line 2: `mv: command not found 02:03:11 hum 02:03:16 `u ` mv bin/{u,t} 02:03:18 No output. 02:03:29 t for top is just as logical 02:03:40 and not confusible with / 02:03:46 and I guess https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/rev/875339492c29 was a random complaint (which was reverted) 02:05:13 int-e: given it was izabera, it's probably italian hth 02:05:24 * oerjan ignores phonotactics LA LA LA LA 02:06:28 oerjan: look at the command though 02:07:03 * oerjan ignores logic LA LA LA LA 02:08:40 of course you do, except when you don't 02:08:49 `grwp tautolog 02:08:50 tautology:A tautology is a tautology. Oren invented them. 02:09:17 I should probably sleep. 02:09:48 `? moony 02:09:49 moony? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:11:24 `wisdom moon 02:11:25 ​moon//moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos and @tells a real pain 02:11:46 `` grwp -l moon 02:11:47 ​☾_ \ bimonthly \ ciol \ #esoteric \ moon \ pluto 02:12:10 `? ☾_ 02:12:13 ​☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers. 02:13:17 porthellos seem to have decreased somewhat 02:14:43 `slwd moon//s,__,__ noomy, 02:14:45 moon//moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ noomy computing and luxon, making porthellos and @tells a real pain 02:15:30 heh 02:15:31 `slwd moon//s,$,., 02:15:33 moon//moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ noomy computing and luxon, making porthellos and @tells a real pain. 02:16:05 should've seen me earlier when i was "sust" for a bit (as a joke, you won't see that nick again) 02:16:48 you just cannot make the nick sust ainable 02:17:37 that is actually close to the joke. I nicknamed myself the shortening of "sustenence" to make dumb jokes in ##werewolf when we were playing boreal 02:17:55 (Boreal happens to be a gamemode where you can starve to death) 02:18:27 eneccccjljlhknhtfdditlhnjrdcercdldcdukkngdfk 02:18:32 fucking. 02:18:35 @wn sustenence 02:18:37 No match for "sustenence". 02:18:48 * imode-ruby tableflips. 02:18:54 . o O ( imode-ruby appears to be speaking italian LA LA LA LA ) 02:18:58 . o O ( Who put the "pun" in "penguin"?) 02:19:13 oerjan: were there any curses in that? 02:19:25 if not I'm disappointed at my unconscious knowledge of italian. 02:19:46 i don't know much italian cursing 02:32:09 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 03:06:38 -!- MDead has joined. 03:07:47 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:07:53 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 03:20:34 -!- imode has joined. 03:38:05 -!- noomy has changed nick to moony. 03:45:09 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 04:09:52 [[Hunter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67508&oldid=67484 * Oerjan * (-39) /* Description */ fix dead link 04:23:54 -!- MDude has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:04:30 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 05:05:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:05:53 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 05:21:59 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 05:48:59 -!- paul2520 has quit (*.net *.split). 05:54:52 -!- paul2520 has joined. 06:45:25 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:53:49 -!- kingoffrance has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:13:08 -!- kingoffrance has joined. 07:46:00 -!- kingoffrance has quit (Quit: x). 08:09:45 -!- tromp has joined. 08:17:41 oerjan: how about `㋌ then, since it's a version-controlled directory? 08:41:32 b_jonas: i don't know how to type that but i suspect it would be a lot more key presses than `t 08:42:26 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:52:13 also I dreamt about a version control system that doesn't exist in real life. in my dream, it was quite popular, not as popular as git but probably at second or third place in popularity, and almost as old as git. I was sad when I finally realized that it doesn't exist upon waking up. 08:52:42 I'm not sure what it is named, because dreams are vague like that, my best guess is "tek" 08:55:05 the other one among the top three most popular ones was either mercury or another one that doesn't exist in real life 08:56:16 and no, none of these is ais's scapegoat 09:02:08 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 09:16:06 -!- tromp has joined. 09:17:54 -!- b_jonas has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:34:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 10:35:10 -!- xkapastel has joined. 11:00:22 `unidecode ㋌ 11:00:25 ​[U+32CC SQUARE HG] 11:00:32 pfft 11:06:30 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 11:12:40 [ _ 60#: 2256 11:12:41 wib_jonas: 37 36 11:16:22 =8ball Should I try simulated annealing? 11:16:23 My sources say no. 11:34:59 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:47:08 [[Aya]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67509&oldid=51832 * A * (+30) 12:05:39 `` 8ball 'Should int-e try simulated annealing?' # just for confirmation 12:05:39 Most likely. 12:05:46 Well, conflicting advice there. 12:18:06 So random. 12:20:46 int-e: try /msg perlbot 8-ball Should int-e try simulated annealing? 12:20:56 perlbot's implementation is more reliable 12:21:19 and don't trust HackEso's 8-ball 12:21:52 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Joru * New user account 12:21:58 But I already got the answer I wanted! 12:26:20 [[User talk:Zzo38]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67510&oldid=66901 * YamTokTpaFa * (+490) /* I'd like to learn about AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! more. */ 12:28:44 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 12:28:54 Greetings 12:59:17 1. e4 e5 2. f3 Nf6 3. c3 Nxe4 4. fxe4 Qh4+ 5. g3 Qxe4+ 6. Be2 Qxh1 7. Bf1 Qxg1 8. Qe2 Qc5 9. Qg2 d5 10. b4 Qb6 11. Na3 d4 12. Nc4 Qe6 13. a4 dxc3 14. dxc3 c6 15. Qe2 Nd7 16. Nxe5 Nxe5 17. Bb2 f6 18. c4 Bxb4+ 19. Kd1 Qd6+ 20. Kc1 Bd2+ 21. Kc2 Bf5+ 22. Kb3 Qb4+ 23. Ka2 Be6 24. Rd1 Qxa4+ 25. Kb1 Bf5+ 26. Qe4 Bxe4+ 27. Bd3 Bxd3# 0-1 12:59:27 A couple of minutes game I played today 12:59:30 I think it's neat 12:59:43 But my opponent was kinda trolling 13:15:09 -!- tswett[m] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:15:26 -!- ddmm_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:15:28 -!- wmww has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer). 13:36:24 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Quit). 13:36:44 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 13:37:47 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Client Quit). 13:38:29 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 13:40:09 Greetings 13:45:24 deja vu 13:55:25 DejaVu Sans Mono. 13:56:11 ☺ 13:57:04 [[W (A)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67511&oldid=67502 * A * (+415) 13:57:56 without single? 13:58:10 [[W (A)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67512&oldid=67511 * A * (+2) /* Project Euler 1 */ 14:03:59 -!- MDude has joined. 14:04:15 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 14:08:42 -!- mniip has quit (Ping timeout: 619 seconds). 14:21:25 DejaVu Sans Mono. => oh! I set that in firefox as a default for many languages 14:22:10 -!- mniip has joined. 14:22:36 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:24:10 someone played Submachine series? 14:27:39 when it doesn’t go too point-and-clicky, I think it’s pretty cool 14:28:45 there’s even an overarching story, though I think it wasn’t conceived in all its completeness in the times of older episodes 14:31:19 but even then there was a bit or two of a story; not your average escape from X game; and there is a spoon (and later, a fork, and later still, both, but you won’t use them for eating) 14:32:52 it all uses Flash, though, as all older yet unported things do 14:33:13 or maybe it was ported while I wasn’t looking 15:12:12 -!- ddmm_ has joined. 15:12:12 -!- tswett[m] has joined. 15:12:12 -!- wmww has joined. 15:14:54 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 15:41:14 -!- imode has joined. 15:46:31 ls 16:01:36 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 16:23:59 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 16:48:41 [[`]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67513&oldid=55716 * Dart * (+541) Cleaned up, added examples, deleted wrong tags. 17:00:53 `cat bin/? 17:00:54 cat: 'bin/?': No such file or directory 17:01:04 `which ? 17:01:05 ​/hackenv/bin/? 17:01:12 `cat /hackenv/bin/? 17:01:13 ​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$@" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^`\(`\|$\)//') \ topic2=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd $HACKENV/wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic2"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1"; \ elif [ -e "$topic2" ]; \ then cat "$topic2"; \ 17:01:45 ` mv /hackenv/wisdom/moon /hackenv/wisdom/moony 17:01:46 ​? Permission denied 17:01:53 `mv /hackenv/wisdom/moon /hackenv/wisdom/moony 17:01:54 mv: missing destination file operand after '/hackenv/wisdom/moon /hackenv/wisdom/moony' \ Try 'mv --help' for more information. 17:02:06 ``mv /hackenv/wisdom/moon /hackenv/wisdom/moony 17:02:09 ​`mv? No such file or directory 17:02:19 `` mv /hackenv/wisdom/moon /hackenv/wisdom/moony 17:02:22 No output. 17:02:26 `? moony 17:02:28 moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ noomy computing and luxon, making porthellos and @tells a real pain. 17:03:13 TODO: request rename on esolangs 17:04:57 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 17:06:17 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:07:48 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 17:15:28 -!- diverger has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 17:18:58 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 17:19:49 -!- diverger has joined. 17:37:08 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:42:15 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 17:55:31 -!- LKoen has joined. 17:59:49 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:01:59 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:07:02 thunk-like segmented executables actually look really nice. wrote a little python to generate a sample executable. 18:14:32 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:23:04 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:44:58 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Quit: quit). 18:53:16 [[La We]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67514&oldid=66628 * Pelirodri * (-12) 19:04:27 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:15:55 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:16:38 imode: what does thunk-like segmented mean? 19:18:35 ah my previous question about simulated annealing was stupid... there are no small steps in discrete problems. 19:19:07 =8ball Do you like this? 19:19:08 Outlook not so good 19:19:20 I seem to have a new friend. 19:23:16 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:23:25 "oh 8ball, what is the best email client?" "outlook not so good" 19:24:25 `8ball what is the best email client? 19:24:26 Reply hazy try again. 19:24:38 fungot, what is the best email client? 19:24:38 b_jonas: drink a tea fnord i just have to add 19:25:50 I agree yes you don’t need an email client 19:29:27 So I'll stick to stupid hillclimbing from random starting points. 19:43:28 =8ball bfbot show up 19:43:29 My sources say no. 19:43:35 you little 19:48:55 what is the worst mail client? 19:49:06 =8ball what is the worst mail client? 19:49:06 Yes - definitely. 19:49:11 =8ball what is the worst mail client? 19:49:12 Outlook not so good 19:49:20 a ha! 19:49:27 kmc, here you go 19:50:58 arseniiv: instead of having a binary executable with segments acting as a container for code, the container _itself_ is mode code, and each of the segments is code that generates values upon request. 19:52:13 . o O ( Old hardware: use integer arithmetic for speed. Modern hardware: use floating point arithmetic for speed. ) 19:52:35 (tbf, the latter is probably only really true for vectorizable code.) 19:52:42 imode: hmmm 19:53:32 (maybe after seeing an example or two I’ll understand, but currently I don’t think I am) 19:53:59 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:59:23 . o O ( too von Neumann ) 20:00:59 -!- tromp has joined. 20:06:20 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:07:20 imode: I /guess/ it can do things like generate good code for the actual platform the code is running on? 20:07:28 -!- olsner has joined. 20:10:16 (trying to figure out why people would want to go down that route... generally things become messier when you replace well-defined data structures by something TC) 20:10:26 `addquote =8ball what is the worst mail client? Outlook not so good 20:10:28 1330) =8ball what is the worst mail client? Outlook not so good 20:38:03 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:44:00 -!- LKoen has joined. 20:51:51 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:52:22 `dateu 20:52:22 2019-11-28 20:52:22.564 +0000 UTC November 28 Thursday 2019-W48-4 21:00:26 `dateu 21:00:28 2019-11-28 21:00:27.573 +0000 UTC November 28 Thursday 2019-W48-4 21:03:22 . o O ( `mkx ../bin/dateu//echo 'No way!' ) 21:17:50 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:20:37 [[Psychairefatback]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67515&oldid=67025 * Ashtons * (-2097) 21:28:35 [[Psychairefatback]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67516&oldid=67515 * Ashtons * (+200) 21:58:32 [[Psychairefatback]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67517&oldid=67516 * Ashtons * (+160) 22:10:49 -!- tromp has joined.