00:00:06 <b_jonas> fizzie: I don't know what the indigestion refers to
00:00:21 <b_jonas> is that some befunge thing?
00:02:29 <fizzie> I believe it's also an C-INTERCAL error message.
00:03:05 <fizzie> https://github.com/calvinmetcalf/intercal/blob/8a65e8b/doc/ick.txi#L1916
00:03:09 <b_jonas> so two references to intercal? ok
00:04:07 <fizzie> Well, it's well-known.
00:04:34 <b_jonas> yes, because we haven't featured befunge on the wiki yet
00:04:55 <HackEso> 2019-12-01 00:04:54.766 +0000 UTC December 1 Sunday 2019-W48-7
00:04:59 <HackEso> The password of the month is mostly irrelevant.
00:05:16 <b_jonas> ``` hg log -T "{date|shortdate} " password
00:05:24 <b_jonas> ``` hg log -T "{date|shortdate} " /hackenv/wisdom/password
00:05:26 <HackEso> 2019-11-04 2019-11-04 2019-10-01 2019-09-01 2019-08-01 2019-07-01 2019-06-02 2019-05-01 2019-04-09 2019-03-30 2019-02-04 2019-02-03 2019-01-01 2018-12-01 2018-11-01 2018-10-02 2018-09-05 2018-08-03 2018-07-20 2018-06-03 2018-05-05 2018-04-14 2018-04-14 2018-03-07 2018-02-15 2017-12-31 2017-12-01 2017-12-01 2017-11-04 2017-10-01 2017-09-02 2017-08-22 2017-08-16 2017-07-11 2017-06-02 2017-06-02 2017-06-02 201
00:06:30 <fizzie> Every time the topic of featured languages comes up, my first thoughts are "we should feature Befunge" and "but the article should be made better first".
00:10:22 <zzo38> Then, make the article better first please.
00:11:07 <fizzie> I agree that would be great.
00:12:00 <b_jonas> the Befunge article isn't good enough?
00:12:25 <b_jonas> I thought it was good enough, it just wasn't featured yet because the previous feature was too recent
00:14:02 <b_jonas> fizzie: that's useful info though, because if you think that we should feature befunge then I can revoke my suggestion and suggest featuring a different language
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00:34:47 <kingoffrance> some reason befunge always reminds me of doom cacodemon floating around; its the < > look like thorns i think
00:35:51 <kingoffrance> combine with ff6 mr. chupon says "fungahhhh!" or similar
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00:50:31 <HackEso> 1/2:dc//dc is short for "dump core". (try it out yourself: dc -e '[') \ canaima//Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here. \ middle worse//Mïðal VVőrszü vvoràði nyëlv spöket af magyar inva̋ðereknek leszármazottai Herefördshirben äppröxima̋tely 1250. \ invention//Invention is the daughter of necessity. \ morphism//A morphism is just a natu
00:50:33 <HackEso> 2/2:ral transformation between two diagrams of shape 1.
00:52:07 <HackEso> shachäf tsweẗt oerjän shachäf ellioẗt oerjän fizzïe GreyKnigḧt GreyKnigḧt GreyKnigḧt
00:52:46 <fizzie> `` dc -e '[' # no core dump
00:53:37 <fizzie> I was pretty sure I contributed to that in no way, but apparently I just added the word "just" in it.
00:53:39 <HackEso> 11998:2019-11-04 <ais523̈_> le//rn password//The password of the month is mostly irrelevant. \ 11997:2019-11-04 <ais523̈_> le//rn password//The password of the month is mostly irrelvant. \ 11958:2019-10-01 <arseniïv> learn The password of the month is not what it seems \ 11925:2019-09-01 <oerjän> learn The password of the month is ninjaed. \ 11890:2019-08-01 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is surprising. \ 11843:2019-07-01 <sha
00:54:27 <HackEso> The password of the month is mostly irrelevant.
00:54:37 <fizzie> December is fair game now.
00:54:49 <lambdabot> Local time for shachaf is Sat Nov 30 16:54:46 2019
00:55:08 <int-e> Did we agree on UTC?
00:55:16 <fizzie> We never agree on anything.
00:58:13 <int-e> . o O ( `learn The password of the month will be revealed on December 25th. )
00:58:15 <b_jonas> ``` TZ=Pacific/Auckland datei # New Zealand is even more ahead
00:58:16 <HackEso> 2019-12-01 13:58:15.829 +1300 NZDT December 1 Sunday 2019-W48-7
00:58:36 <b_jonas> int-e: on 2019-12-19, in the cinemas for Star Wars
00:59:16 <int-e> I was thinking advent calendar.
01:02:10 <int-e> But maybe something simpler is in order.
01:04:20 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is naughty.
01:04:22 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is naughty.
01:08:44 <esowiki> [[Forth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67547&oldid=65396 * IFcoltransG * (+13) Added {{serious}} template
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01:54:13 <zzo38> Fire Goats Mountain {-} Legendary Land - Mountain ;; ~ enters the battlefield tapped. ;; When ~ enters the battlefield, create a 0/1 white and red Goat creature token. ;; {1}, {T}: Target creature gains "{R}: Destroy all equipment attached to this creature. This creature deals 1 damage to each creature blocking or blocked by this creature." until end of turn.
01:56:54 <zzo38> Black Crystal Star {4} Artifact ;; As ~ enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 Golem artifact creature token. ;; {2}, {T}: That token becomes a copy of target creature until that creature's copiable values change, or ~ or that creature leaves the battlefield, or the token becomes a copy of something else due to ~.
02:00:16 <zzo38> Threshold of Death {1BB} Artifact Enchantment ;; As an additional cost to cast ~, sacrifice four creatures. ;; Whenever a nonartifact permanent that you do not control attacks you or deals damage to you, destroy that permanent. ;; At the beginning of your upkeep, pay 1 life or sacrifice ~.
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02:09:23 <oerjan> @tell kspalaiologos by your wrethed polish name i'm not referring to your nick here but to the one on CGCC, which i assumed _was_ your real name
02:11:25 <oerjan> @tell kspalaiologos which you're also saying on the wiki
02:12:54 <oerjan> @tell kspalaiologos your nick here is mostly greek, not polish, anyway
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02:15:06 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * BrainDamage * New user account
02:16:13 <fizzie> So should it be κσπαλαιολόγος then?
02:17:17 <zzo38> Do you like Magic: the Gathering cards?
02:17:31 <int-e> fizzie: that would be another invalid IRC character
02:18:15 <zzo38> Yes, since the names should be ASCII or ISO-646 only, I think.
02:18:34 <zzo38> (and also some other restrictions too, I think)
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02:25:24 <oerjan> <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: oerjan found a bug in your bot <-- i don't recall being involved with the := bug, and until now not a single message of mine has triggered it
02:25:24 <bfbot> <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: oerjan found a bug in your bot <-- i don't recall being involved with the :No such command. Try =help.
02:29:32 <oerjan> fizzie: ξπαλαιολόγος hth
02:33:07 <HackEso> ☾_:☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers. \ ørjan:Your pal Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers without noticing it. \ xenon:Xenon is a noble gas element. It has been banned in most countries due to xenophobia.
02:35:03 <oerjan> `learn ξπαλαιολόγος is kspalaiologos's Ancient Greek twin. He was banned from the theater for making up invalid characters.
02:35:07 <HackEso> Learned 'ξπαλαιολόγος': ξπαλαιολόγος is kspalaiologos's Ancient Greek twin. He was banned from the theater for making up invalid characters.
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02:39:14 <HackEso> zzo38//zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
02:40:00 <HackEso> cat: /hackenv/bin/b: No such file or directory
02:41:49 <esowiki> [[Template:Serious]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67549&oldid=8403 * IFcoltransG * (+10) Added a URL parameter to the template for redirecting url away from disambig pages
02:44:00 <esowiki> [[Template:Serious]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67550&oldid=67549 * IFcoltransG * (+0) Made parameter not replace "Wikipedia:" in link
02:45:05 <esowiki> [[Forth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67551&oldid=67547 * IFcoltransG * (+33) Add URL parameter to {{Serious}} template, so it doesn't go to disambiguation page
02:53:17 <HackEso> 10877:2017-05-10 <shachäf> slwd morphism//s.1.shape 1. \ 9325:2016-10-18 <tsweẗt> slwd morphism//s/functors on/diagrams of/ \ 5251:2015-02-03 <oerjän> learn A morphism is just a natural transformation between two functors on 1. \ 5138:2014-11-16 <shachäf> revert 5134 \ 5135:2014-11-16 <ellioẗt> find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El \'(is|are) just\' | xargs rm \ 1294:2013-01-07 <oerjän> echo "Morphisms are just elements o
02:53:35 <oerjan> fizzie: i think it already had the word "just" hth
02:54:07 * oerjan somehow misinterpreted the first "just" as "just now"
02:54:38 <HackEso> 1256:2013-01-04 <GreyKnigḧt> echo "A morphism is just an abstraction derived from structure-preserving mappings between two mathematical structures." > wisdom/morphism \ 1257:2013-01-04 <GreyKnigḧt> echo "A morphism is just an abstraction derived from structure-preserving mappings between two categories." > wisdom/morphism \ 1259:2013-01-04 <GreyKnigḧt> echo "A morphism is a map between two objects in an abstract category." > wisdom/morp
02:54:47 <oerjan> hm you seem to be in the gap
02:54:53 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/wisdom/morphism
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04:40:06 <esowiki> [[Sillycon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67553&oldid=40977 * IFcoltransG * (+0) Fixed typo
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05:02:14 <esowiki> [[CT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67556 * IFcoltransG * (+31) Redirect to cyclic tag
05:04:41 <esowiki> [[Talk:Classical CT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67557 * IFcoltransG * (+180) Created page with "I'm assuming "CT" means Cyclic Tag, rather than, say, Con-Text. Linked to Cyclic Tag. ~~~~"
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05:13:49 <esowiki> [[Esolang talk:Policy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67563&oldid=67562 * IFcoltransG * (+1) /* American vs British English */ Formatting
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06:18:49 <imode> building an if/else statement without a conditional break is suddenly difficult.
06:20:05 <zzo38> Building with what?
06:22:32 <imode> really should build a page for this thing.
06:23:52 <zzo38> Yes, make a document so that we can see what it is
06:24:01 <imode> I do have a document. just not posted anywhere live.
06:31:17 <zzo38> Maybe you should post it
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10:37:16 <esowiki> [[Surround notation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67573&oldid=67572 * A * (+176) The person named "Que Asd" is "OVER 9000!!!" years old? That's totally nonsense.
10:38:59 <esowiki> [[Surround notation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67574&oldid=67573 * A * (+103) /* Examples */
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11:16:51 <arseniiv> I think bfbot intercepts any post with equals inside? 2 + 2 = 2
11:35:55 <b_jonas> arseniiv: it intercepts any post with colon-equals inside
11:37:19 <bfbot> =help :No such command. Try =help.
11:42:05 <b_jonas> zzo38: re Fire Goats Mountain => heck no, that's likely to be overpowered in some formats.
11:44:41 <b_jonas> zzo38: Threshold of Death seems a bit in danger of being overpowered too. I don't recommend these.
12:50:18 <int-e> By the power of the Black Lotus...
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13:39:43 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67578&oldid=67109 * Dart * (+22) /* Brainfuck derivatives */ Added my language
13:46:11 <b_jonas> int-e: this may be a good time to advertise our play-by-post Magic: the Gathering game, in which players submit three-card decks. http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?601011
13:48:53 <int-e> I remember that link. I'm not actively interested in M:tG though.
13:50:23 <b_jonas> yes, I advertised it once already
14:06:03 <arseniiv> not too much interested, I mean
14:08:36 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67579&oldid=66483 * A * (-313) Try to make a compression algorithm by analyzing the number of every character in a large file
14:09:01 <b_jonas> arseniiv: or you are playing under different names that I don't recognize
14:11:50 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67580&oldid=67579 * A * (+211) /* Sandbox */
14:11:51 <arseniiv> b_jonas: mmmaybe but why would I, I’m not so many-layered
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14:12:43 <b_jonas> arseniiv: I don't mean just you specifically, but the "We" that you mentioned
14:12:53 <b_jonas> plus, you might already have an account on that forum and it'd be hard to rename it
14:13:21 <b_jonas> I'm "jonas" in several corners of the internet because it's better to keep a nick that is already known there
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14:38:23 <b_jonas> fungot, how many continents are there on Earth, and how many oceans are there on Earth?
14:38:23 <fungot> b_jonas: the intermediate language for my game
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14:41:28 <LKoen> "how many continents are there?" was a very frustrating question when I was in middle school
14:41:39 <LKoen> I haven't had two geography teachers who agreed on the number
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14:41:53 <LKoen> and of course they made us learn by heart paragraphs that stated that number and other things
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14:43:14 <b_jonas> I was told that there are five. But that's because we only had one geography teacher.
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14:45:39 <LKoen> Oceania / Africa / America / Eurasia / Antarctica?
14:45:51 <int-e> LKoen: how many different answers are there? 3, splitting Eurasia up into Europe, Asia, and optionally India?
14:46:18 <LKoen> well, counting Antarctica or not, separating Europe and Asia or not, separating North and South America or not
14:46:28 <b_jonas> int-e: America can be one or two continents, and the Antarctics may or may not count as a continent
14:46:48 <int-e> Ah. I wasn't sure about America.
14:46:54 <LKoen> of course some of the combinations result in the same number, but agreeing on the number while disagreeing on the actual continents is not very helpful
14:47:00 <int-e> I sucked at goegraphy anyway.
14:47:07 <kingoffrance> all i know is atlas is usually holding a globe up, and atlases are named after him, and he has his own atlantic ocean, but apparently sometimes he shrugs. i suppose one such shrug fractured pangea
14:47:09 <int-e> I always counted Antarctica though.
14:47:37 <int-e> But I learned very late that India's on its own plate.
14:47:53 <LKoen> yeah I never had a teacher tell us to count India as its own continent
14:48:09 <kingoffrance> also, apparently sometimes atlas is really a sequence of turtles
14:48:38 <int-e> Well, we all know it's turtles all the way down.
14:49:00 <LKoen> also they were never very clear about the definition of a continent? I don't think it was related to plates, except for Oceania
14:50:42 <b_jonas> https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=116759 parodies a certain type of question that perlmonks received at that time (this was before I was on that site), and it has the phrase "It need to do something with states and an alphabet, but I'm not good with geography so really need help!" which always makes me laugh
14:53:18 <kingoffrance> the problem with atlas and a globe is im not sure how the "here be dragons" and other creatures would feel about being wiped out; i theorize at some point atlas beat all the dragons so thats why he gets to hold the globe
14:53:44 <int-e> LKoen: As I recall it, the split of Eurasia was motivated by a historic collision of continental plates in school.
14:54:22 <int-e> But meh, in retrospect it's completely arbitrary.
14:54:50 <b_jonas> int-e: no way. Europe and Asia are separated by cultural history, not by any natural geographic stuff
14:55:15 <int-e> There are the Ural mountains.
14:56:05 <LKoen> b_jonas: everyone knows Europe and Asia are distinct continents because they are separated by the biggest mountains in the world, the Ural
14:56:09 <int-e> Which I guess are less of an obstacle than the huge bodies of water commonly called oceans.
14:56:32 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, we have to draw a boundary somewhere, and since it's hard to cross mountains or seas, Ural and Caucasus are good places to draw a boundary at
15:13:23 <b_jonas> hmm... Ural is the biggest mountain of the world, according to the BBC.
15:13:41 <HackEso> A is one of seven villages in Norway. The BBC invented them by not understanding things on top of letters.
15:13:56 <b_jonas> Ural is the biggest mountain of the world. The BBC invented them.
15:14:08 <HackEso> The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, villages in Norway, and inventors of all things. Taneb invented it.
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15:24:08 <b_jonas> wow, the input is indeed /dev/null now
15:24:52 <HackEso> The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with webcomics. They invented Taneb.
15:25:50 <int-e> `readlink /proc/self/fd/0
15:26:16 <int-e> (harmless, but curious)
15:30:29 <HackEso> The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with webcomics. They invented Taneb. Shamus Young invented them.
15:33:54 <int-e> CI is a key operation in functional analysis.
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16:47:32 <arseniiv> there are too many metallic elements, don’t you think?
16:48:18 <arseniiv> though at least many of them do have interesting chemistry despite that
16:58:49 <b_jonas> arseniiv: no, you only think there are too many of them because many of them are too expensive for you to be familiar with
16:59:48 <arseniiv> b_jonas: many of nonmetals aren’t available to me too, but nonetheless they are minority
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17:05:33 <b_jonas> arseniiv: since many of those metalic elements are useful for alchemy or allomancy or other forms of magic, the Dark Lord collected them and hogged them, and they're now buried underground in dungeons mostly unaccessible to us.
17:07:40 <b_jonas> rhenium turned out to be the most magical, and the One Ring was forged from it.
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17:09:16 <arseniiv> it should be the one, as it’s right at the border
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17:10:41 <arseniiv> and also it has nice oxidative colours
17:10:50 <b_jonas> arseniiv: the ring is made of a metal that is harder to forge than mithril, for Gandalf says that even the dwarven forges that work with mithril couldn't melt it. only the demonic fire of Mount Doom could melt it, and even that probably only when the Dark Lord's servants fueled it.
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17:11:07 <b_jonas> Bismuth isn't harder to forget than mithril.
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17:13:36 <arseniiv> <b_jonas> Bismuth isn't harder to forget than mithril. => this is a strong argument against it, unfortunately
17:14:07 <arseniiv> though we need to be sure rhenium isn’t filtered out too!
17:19:14 <b_jonas> arseniiv: and there's proof other than Gandalf's words. all the other rings of power have a gemstone. the One Ring is unadorned, because you can't embed a gem if you have to forge the ring at such a high temperature that gemstones would burn at, and it would be ugly to add a different metal on it as the gemstone frame.
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17:43:56 <b_jonas> what kind of mustard sauce do you prefer, fungot?
17:43:56 <fungot> b_jonas: more generally, that fnord. fnord sin fnord fnord fnord.
17:44:46 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * NieDzejkob * New user account
17:45:37 <zzo38> Maybe the upkeep cost for Threshold of Death can be changed to cumulative upkeep
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17:52:46 <fungot> kritixilithos: it rains here. :) i don't understand it. but the quality of my tools. you have to
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18:07:27 <fizzie> Some of the models have been trained using a form of smoothing where rare words are assigned to a special <UNK> token; when fungot's generating data from the model, it has to put something there, and it uses "fnord" for that.
18:07:27 <fungot> fizzie: when do you determine which permutation you want to do
18:09:04 <esowiki> [[Initialization]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67583 * NieDzejkob * (+368) IT'S ALIVE!
18:09:49 <esowiki> [[Initialization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67584&oldid=67583 * NieDzejkob * (-1) Improper keyboarding results in links of uncomforable color
18:13:23 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67585&oldid=67578 * NieDzejkob * (+55)
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19:02:25 <esowiki> [[Initialization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67587&oldid=67586 * NieDzejkob * (-35) Simplify the interpreter
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19:42:14 <HackEso> 1/2:furryscript//FurryScript is the hairiest of all esoteric languages. \ wo//wo is the rarely seen word which "won't" is the opposite of. \ welcome.es//¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (Para el otro tipo de esoteri
19:42:19 <HackEso> 2/2:smo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) \ xml//XML stands for "X-treme Mega Language (of Awesomeness)" \ categorical product//categorical product is like when you have two category elements A and B then their product is element C iff there are two morphisms p:C->A and q:C->B such that for every element X and morphisms u:X->A and v:X->B there is a unique morphism w:X->C such that u=wp and v=wq.
19:43:33 <shachaf> `forget categorical product
19:43:40 <shachaf> HackEso: categorical product
20:04:07 <fungot> b_jonas: so the minimal point is ( fnord 5), etc
20:04:11 <HackEso> 1/1:fungot//fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. \ fungot//fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. \ fungot//fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. \ fungot//fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. \ fungot//fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
20:04:13 <fungot> b_jonas: how old are you? :) ( aren't i lazy :p) or fnord k 1
20:04:16 <HackEso> 1/166:10) <fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 13) <fizzie after embedding some of his department research into fungot> Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 14) <fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 56) <fungot> i am sad ( of
20:07:36 <HackEso> /dev/stdin? Permission denied
20:07:50 <HackEso> /nonexistantfile? No such file or directory
20:09:10 <b_jonas> `5 quote fungot | perl -e'@s=<>;print $s[rand@s]'
20:09:10 <fungot> b_jonas: yay for hello bf cookie world where more people wanted to be doing this wall drilling thing for an idiot like me is to say, right?
20:09:12 <HackEso> 1/2:538) <fungot> sadhu: it's been said that boole is the crowning jewel perched precariously upon the perfect peak of programmer prowess, casting its limitless limpid light over the loathesome lands of those who scuff and wallow in the dreary dust of digital depravity and unbounded wilful ignorance of the testament of our lord jesus christ into your life. \ 632) <fungot> fizzie: is a 98% reduction in the waterpark intensity, right, so i'd ima
20:09:50 <HackEso> 2/2:gine! \ 768) <fungot> olsner: over the undertow! under the overpass! around the future and not just fnord for example. it's just the syntax \ 689) <fizzie> fungot: Feeling scrambled after all that? <fungot> fizzie: but it's much like new zealand, in my stone-age country, we still like you even if you're only using the new fnord \ 930) <esomimic> fungot: begrudging pat
20:10:14 <HackEso> 1/2:538) <fungot> sadhu: it's been said that boole is the crowning jewel perched precariously upon the perfect peak of programmer prowess, casting its limitless limpid light over the loathesome lands of those who scuff and wallow in the dreary dust of digital depravity and unbounded wilful ignorance of the testament of our lord jesus christ into your life. \ 632) <fungot> fizzie: is a 98% reduction in the waterpark intensity, right, so i'd ima
20:10:41 <b_jonas> and it's nonexistent, with an e, darn it!
20:10:54 <HackEso> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance,
20:14:12 <kmc> `` egrep '^[adehijlnorst]{3}$' /usr/share/dict/words
20:14:14 <HackEso> add \ ado \ ads \ aha \ aid \ ail \ air \ ale \ all \ and \ ani \ ant \ are \ art \ ash \ ass \ ate \ dad \ den \ did \ die \ din \ dis \ doe \ don \ dos \ dot \ ear \ eat \ eel \ ell \ end \ eon \ era \ ere \ err \ eta \ had \ hah \ has \ hat \ hen \ her \ hes \ hid \ hie \ his \ hit \ hod \ hoe \ hos \ hot \ ids \ ill \ inn \ ins \ ion \ ire \ its \ jar \ jet \ jot \ lad \ lea \ led \ lee \ lei \ let \ lid \ lie \ lit \ lot \ net \ nil \ nit
20:14:22 <kmc> these are the words my new alphanumeric mechanical padlock can make
20:14:29 <kmc> (counting 0 as O and 1 as I)
20:14:59 <kmc> i wonder how they arrived at that set
20:15:14 <kmc> it has the vowels except U and Y and W
20:15:19 <kmc> (and do Y and W even count)
20:17:45 <kmc> and it has the 5 most common vowels -- shdrl
20:18:00 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne'print "$_ " for /(?<![\-.\x27A-Za-z])([adehijlnorst]{3})(?![\-.\x27A-Za-z])/g' /hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Le*/2+2+3frq.txt
20:18:01 <HackEso> are the and did had has not his she her all her one see its too end let lot old ran set add air art die hit led lie lit sit sat son dad eat ate hid hot oil red ten aah aid ear nod nor sad sea sir tea tie era hah hat ill jet net odd ooh rid til and ash ass dot inn jar lid rat rod shh sin toe ton aha ant den don lad rot tad tan tee tin ail ale hen ion nah oat ore sis sod tar din eel err she her his her hoe jot nil oar tit tot ado eon ere ire loo
20:18:07 <kmc> what the hecking heck
20:18:20 <b_jonas> kmc: ^ use a more respectible dictionary, not /usr/share/dict
20:18:22 <kmc> that is quite a regex
20:19:28 <kmc> are perl regexes turing complete
20:19:30 <kmc> pretty sure they are
20:19:37 <b_jonas> the "j" in that list is weird
20:19:55 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne'print "$_ " for /(?<![\-.\x27A-Za-z])([adehilmnorst]{3})(?![\-.\x27A-Za-z])/g' /hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Le*/2+2+3frq.txt
20:19:55 <HackEso> are the and did had has him not his she her all her one see its man men too end let lot old ran set add air arm art die hit led lie lit met mom mam sit sat son dad eat ate hid hot oil red ten aah aid aim ear hmm mad nod nor sad sea sir tea tie mhm era hah hat ill net odd ooh rid til and ash ass dam dim dot inn lid ram rat rod shh sin toe ton aha ant den don ham lad mat mid rim rot tad tan tee tin ail ale hem hen ion mar nah oat ore sis sod tar
20:19:56 <arseniiv> b_jonas: is that that your regex you mentioned a month or two ago?
20:20:07 <b_jonas> arseniiv: I don't think so
20:20:45 <b_jonas> it's just your regex with some stuff around it to make sure it's a complete lowercase word
20:21:45 <b_jonas> isn't this one of those padlocks where you press a set of buttons, so words with double letters shouldn't count, and different permutations of letters should count only once?
20:22:31 <kmc> it has a single spinning dial
20:22:38 <kmc> like a standard 'school locker padlock'
20:22:42 <kmc> (at least in America)
20:22:55 <kmc> the only difference is that it's labeled with digits and some letters rather than consecutive integers up to 40 or whatever
20:23:00 <kmc> well and it also has detents for each
20:23:04 <kmc> standard padlocks spin smoothly
20:23:17 <kmc> I have one of those too but I forgot the combo and my attempt to crack it using some online guide failed
20:23:34 <kmc> you can take it to a shop and get the combo from a serial number but that sounded like effort when I could get a new one for $10 in 2 minutes
20:23:39 <kmc> but then i didn't need it anyway, oops
20:26:24 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne'for (/(?<![\-.\x27A-Za-z])([adehijlnorst]{3,})(?![\-.\x27A-Za-z])/g) { %k=(); $k{$_}++ for sort split//,$_; @k=keys%k; if (3 == @k && !$k{join"",@k}++) { print "$_ " } }' /hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Le*/2+2+3frq.txt
20:26:25 <HackEso> are the and that had has hath not his she her her one seen here its need needed tell end let lot old ran set added air area art die door else hit led less lie lit sell sense sit sat son soon test data dead eat ate hell hid hot loss oil red roll ten tree aid ear hall hill nine nod none nor onto rare root sad sea sir tall tea tie tool assess ease era error hat jet net onion rear rid seed seeded till til tooth teeth toss and ash deer doll dot hee
20:26:48 <b_jonas> kmc: ah, so you don't depress 3 out of 12 buttons with the order irrelevant. sorry
20:27:47 <b_jonas> oh, you want to find out the code, which need not even be a word?
20:28:03 <kmc> that one is a standard numeric lock
20:28:21 <kmc> the code is 3 integers between 0 and 39 inclusive, order dependent
20:28:31 <kmc> though I'm not sure you can use the same number twice in a row
20:28:35 <b_jonas> that command isn't right, it doesn't filter duplicates
20:28:56 <kmc> all american kids use this in high school
20:28:59 <kmc> or did back in my day
20:29:26 <fizzie> kmc: Yeah, I've seen those on TV, but never in real life.
20:29:30 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne'for (/(?<![\-.\x27A-Za-z])([adehijlnorst]{3,})(?![\-.\x27A-Za-z])/g) { %k=(); $k{$_}++ for split//,$_; @k=sort keys%k; if (3 == @k && !$r{join"",@k}++) { print "$_ " } }' /hackenv/share/dict/12dicts/Le*/2+2+3frq.txt
20:29:31 <HackEso> are the and that had has not his she her one seen its need tell lot old ran set added air art die door else hit led lie lit sat son data eat hell hid hot loss oil red roll ten tree aid hall hill nine nod nor root sad sea sir tall tie error jet onion rid seed toss dot horror jar lid odds roar sin toe ant hood lad radar reel tattoo tin ail alas ale eerie heed hen nah anal din hoe jot nil sill ado jeer loon ode seer shoo dis nth anon jell jinn hi
20:29:36 <b_jonas> this. no more "need needed"
20:29:48 <fizzie> We just had physical Abloy keys for any place there's lockers.
20:29:49 <kmc> now they probably have some unnecessarily smart bluetooth lock with a backdoor so the school admin can break in to see if you're hiding ~dangerous items~
20:30:33 <kmc> the venue I bought my combo lock for turned out to have RFID locks instead
20:30:40 <kmc> so they give you a wristband with a chip in it, which unlocks the locker
20:31:05 <kmc> in college we had an interesting style of door locks
20:31:07 <kmc> forgot the brand
20:31:12 <fizzie> kmc: Does the starting number matter for those locks? That is, is 0-20-10 a different code from 1-21-11?
20:31:17 <b_jonas> `python3 -cimport secrets; print("".join([secrets.choice("adehijlnorst") for k in range(3)]))
20:31:46 <kmc> it has 5 buttons, and each code unit is a cluster of one or more buttons (pressed simultaneously), but you can only use each button once in the whole code
20:31:55 <kmc> so e.g. 15-2-3 is different from 1-5-23
20:32:02 <zzo38> If you do not want them to break in to your stuff then install a safe inside of the locker and put all of the stuff in there.
20:32:39 <kmc> people practiced "power punching" which was the technique of trying all combos in some maximum-likelihood order
20:34:17 <zzo38> I think I have read about those locks with 5 buttons, from a 2600 article I think. They mention how it isn't so secure as a key, you can easily try them, and there are also "half step" codes.
20:36:42 <kmc> if you practiced you could do it in like 15 minutes
20:36:46 <kmc> all the combos i mean
20:36:54 <kmc> and your expected time would be half that, even without the likelihood ordering
20:37:10 <kmc> one of the houses there was known for heavy drinking and they set their door code to "2" so that it could be remembered in a state of inebriation
20:37:41 <kmc> I was glad to be in a house (actually, two) that had a more varied culture including more interesting intoxicants as well as other fun stuff
20:42:53 <kmc> first year housemates were really into lockpicking, making master keys, tunnel exploration and that kind of fun stuff
20:43:11 <kmc> zzo38: the combo locks also have an override key you can use
20:43:16 <kmc> and I made one of those
20:43:21 <kmc> so technically i could break into anyone's room
20:43:27 <kmc> we had a game called Alley Assassins
20:45:19 <kmc> people signed up as targets and others would try to get them with a 'bomb', which is any device that makes a noise or flashing light etc. in direct response to the target's actions (no remote-controlled bombs)
20:45:40 <kmc> I got someone by planting a cellphone in their room and then setting up a trigger on my computer which would text the phone when they logged onto AIM
20:46:08 <kmc> the judges decided this was a bit ambiguous under the rules but decided I deserved the kill anyway on style points
20:47:27 <kmc> it was remote-controlled but in a way that didn't require any action by anyone besides the target
20:48:00 <kmc> in those days you could text a phone by emailing a numeric address @ the phone company's domain
20:48:03 <kmc> i don't know if that's still true
20:50:42 <kmc> I use twilio API for that
20:50:56 <imode> everybody seems to use that.
20:51:16 <kmc> it's pretty easy
20:51:18 <imode> it makes sense because there's no reasonable way to decide which number belongs to which carrier, I think.
20:51:22 <kmc> you can do it from a shell script with curl
20:51:30 <kmc> I've ported my number between at least 3 carriers
20:51:37 <imode> is there a number -> carrier mapping somewhere?
20:51:39 <kmc> I bet phone companies can do it, because they need to know who to bill
20:51:44 <kmc> but I don't think random people can do it
20:54:04 <imode> https://www.carrierlookup.com/
21:56:30 <fizzie> I used the trial thing of https://www.datasoap.co.uk/data-quality-services/hlr-lookup once to look up the operator a number was on.
21:56:54 <fizzie> There's a really flaky SMS delivery situation between our UK operator (Three) and some (but not all) Finnish operators.
21:57:14 <fizzie> Also between my Finnish bank and Three, and nobody's taking any responsibility of it.
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21:59:01 <fizzie> (For "security" reasons the bank's getting ever more strict on mandating SMS-based verification on top of the existing one-time passcode lists.)
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22:02:38 <kmc> got some pills today
22:02:40 <kmc> girl pills
22:02:43 <kmc> `quote 1097
22:02:43 <HackEso> 1097) <kmc> BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills' <kmc> oh, they mean for your health
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