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04:05:57 <int-e> fizzie: It turned out to be terribly unfriendly... took me 2 hours to resolve the knot-tying exercise.
04:07:50 <int-e> (It really should be faster. But I made many stupid mistakes. It's all way too subtle.)
04:45:43 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * BrainF99 * New user account
04:57:37 <tswett[m]> Hey, anyone want to hire me? I have five years of professional experience as a software developer, and I'm really, really, really good at math. I'm not interested in software development positions. I'm looking for a salary around $60k.
04:59:17 <imode> what position are you looking for exactly.
04:59:59 <tswett[m]> I don't have an exact position in mind.
05:00:11 <int-e> Yeah, "not interested" will be the only thing anybody reads in there.
05:01:08 <int-e> Unfortunately we live in a world where people expect you to know what you want :-/
05:01:17 <imode> if you don't know what you want apply to a FAANG.
05:02:22 <int-e> Well, what if your ethics aren't flexible enough for that?
05:03:17 <imode> I don't think your average systems engineering job requires ethics that can bend over backwards
05:03:38 <imode> I work at Amazon. you'd be surprised how mundane this job actually is from every standpoint. we just help people buy ebooks.
05:04:00 <kmc> i'm giving up on the software industry
05:04:04 <kmc> i think i'm going to become a mushroom farmer
05:04:56 <int-e> A hacker's dream, build something from wood... simple and sturdy.
05:05:15 <int-e> (That's based on a pun that works much better in german.)
05:05:30 <imode> build your own computing ecosystem.
05:06:54 <imode> are you in desperate need of a job.
05:06:54 <tswett[m]> I think I'm going to dogfood an operating system for the original IBM PC.
05:07:34 <imode> what are your skills and where are you located.
05:09:02 <tswett[m]> Well, I have experience in plenty of programming languages: C#, Perl, SQL, and bits of C++, HTML, JavaScript, Rust, and VBA.
05:09:26 <zzo38> If you will make a operating system for the original IBM PC, then maybe you should use x86 assembly language.
05:09:29 <imode> got any examples of things you've built with these tools.
05:09:40 <imode> any past work experience.
05:09:43 <tswett[m]> I have a degree in math and knowledge of bits and pieces here and there. I like Haskell and category theory.
05:10:03 <tswett[m]> Yeah, here's the flight simulator autopilot I wrote in C#. https://github.com/tswett/WarrigalsAutopilot
05:10:18 <tswett[m]> I have several professional software development positions.
05:11:08 <tswett[m]> Diagnosed and fixed issues with a large variety of production software for Priority Health, the health insurance arm of Spectrum Health.
05:11:27 <tswett[m]> Wrote desktop application software for the “eXact” line of color measurement instruments using both C# and C++.
05:12:24 <imode> neat. do you have any idea of the roles/duties you'd like to take on at your next position.
05:13:59 <shachaf> zzo38: Which assembly syntax should I use?
05:16:07 <zzo38> shachaf: I don't know. Depend what assembler software you use, I suppose. Make up your own if you do not like that one.
05:17:59 <tswett[m]> imode: Vaguely. I'd like to be an actuary (for one); I'd like to compile and analyze data in order to make calculations related to financial risk.
05:18:26 <imode> so find actuary positions.
05:20:12 <kmc> there are/were a number of banks that use Haskell for modelling financial contracts
05:20:30 <kmc> so perhaps you could get a job which isn't just programming, but utilizes your programming skills
05:21:06 <kmc> int-e: what's the german pun?
05:25:31 <kmc> thinking about work makes me sad
05:25:38 <int-e> kmc: There's "hacken" meaning to chop wood.
05:26:00 <int-e> Arguably not much of a pun.
05:26:09 <kmc> i used to love programming but 10 years of working in the tech industry while struggling with mental health problems killed that :/
05:26:28 <kmc> i flamed out
05:26:34 <shachaf> I'm kittensitting this week. It's so good.
05:26:36 <kmc> my spouse supports me financially
05:26:52 <imode> what happened, if you don't mind me asking?
05:27:03 <int-e> shachaf: cushions are less messy
05:27:08 <shachaf> I quit my job a longish time ago and haven't mustered up the whatever to get another one.
05:27:18 <shachaf> Maybe I'll do that at one point?
05:27:32 <imode> you must have quite a bit of savings or financial cushion.
05:27:53 <tswett[m]> One option is to, instead of getting another job, just retire now and live off of $90 a month.
05:27:54 <kmc> imode: it's a long story and not one i wish to retell at this moment
05:28:08 <kmc> I had savings, not so much anymore
05:28:12 <kmc> like I said, my spouse supports me
05:28:21 <imode> kmc: that was moreso directed at shachaf, sorry.
05:28:26 <imode> the last message, I mean.
05:28:32 <kmc> i have shachaf on /ignore
05:28:45 <kmc> that is also a long story i don't wish to retell
05:29:13 <HackEso> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. We don't like this.
05:29:22 <kmc> int-e: I get the pun now, thanks
05:29:42 <kmc> it works in english, once you know what it's supposed to be
05:30:02 <imode> I've been poor for a very long time now. this job is a miracle despite being not creatively fulfilling. but holy shit is it almost a cake walk.
05:30:09 <HackEso> tswett is livin' it up with the penguins. He's a title under the cruxite in the lathe.
05:30:18 <HackEso> imode is an Innovative Multicomponent Drug Designer, afflicted by a severe case of the UPPERs.
05:30:32 <imode> at least I'm innovative.
05:30:57 <int-e> IMDD -> imode is a bit of a stretch?
05:31:29 <imode> you know, that's true int-e. wonder who made that entry.
05:38:02 <int-e> imode: Ah https://www.project-imode.eu/ is to blame.
05:41:49 <int-e> see also https://esolangs.org/logs/2017-08-03.html#ly ff.
05:42:53 <imode> damn that was a long time ago.
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05:43:30 <kmc> imode: i can't complain though. aside from lacking a sense of purpose, my life is fucking awesome :) I've finally dealt with the major root cause of those mental problems, and I have awesome friends and partners, and new exciting interests :) I've gone mushroom foraging every day since the 8th, which is awesome
05:45:01 <imode> good to hear you're doing well.
05:46:10 <kmc> life's a fucking trip, eh?
05:47:09 <imode> I've had a similar stint in the industry and there have been times (including recently) where I've just wanted to give it all up.
05:47:21 <imode> was homeless at one point.
05:47:34 <kmc> for how long?
05:49:45 <imode> at one point I thought of becoming a writer. or working in retail. I got into programming sort of by accident and never started anything as a career. it's hard when working takes your hobbies and turns them against you.
05:50:25 <kmc> don't do something you love, or you'll come to hate it
05:50:27 <kmc> that's how i feel
05:50:39 <kmc> but it probably depends
05:51:22 <imode> I wanted to stop as early as August of this year, when I left my last position. I was essentially told that I was less than dog shit despite designing the core of the entire business from the ground up.
05:51:50 <imode> drifted for a month. wanted to quit. came close to ending it. then I got a call from an Amazon recruiter.
05:52:05 <kmc> "don't take something you love and try to pursue it within a bullshit corporation where most of your success/failure is not even dependent on how well you can do that something you love"
05:52:20 <kmc> it's probably better if you, like, love carpentry and manage to make a little money selling tables you made in your garage, or something
05:52:29 <imode> I used to think that too.
05:53:12 <imode> but I think I favor rigidity in a lot of ways. nothing says you have to be passionate about your work life. larger corporations (usually) give you the opportunity for work/life balance. I use my spare time to work on what I want.
05:53:13 <kmc> most jobs I worked ended due to mental health problems (whether me quitting or them firing me)
05:53:43 <kmc> sometimes i just got depressed and stopped going in to work
05:54:02 <imode> reward detachment is a real thing.
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05:54:27 <imode> you aren't hunting food and then feeling a full stomach. you're sitting at a desk or in a meeting to earn tokens to exhange for goods which may or may not be food.
05:54:40 <imode> that's three levels of indirection just to get to a reward.
05:56:07 <kmc> alienation of labor
05:56:42 <kmc> it does enable us to have some nice things, though
05:56:55 <kmc> perhaps it requires a mindset that is unnatural and somewhat hard to come by
05:57:35 <imode> labor is an application of energy. energy is a finite resource with multiple sources and sinks. depending on the job, the distribution of energy into different labors may not be ideal to your working lifestyle. in which case, time to find a new company.
05:57:43 <imode> I used to work 12 hour days, 6 day weeks.
05:57:58 <imode> that's unnatural and unsustainable.
05:59:21 <imode> imo it's useful to not think of as money as a reward, but as a requirement for life. once you've met the requirement, _then_ you can use your remaining energy to do whateeeeever you want.
05:59:41 <imode> people chase cash and then burn out because the cash wasn't a reward enough to them.
05:59:54 <imode> don't know if that was part of your cse.
06:00:55 <kmc> no not really
06:00:59 <kmc> i've never been that motivated by money
06:01:08 <int-e> imode: "necessary evil" comes to mind
06:01:09 <kmc> when I was working I always made more than enough to be comfortable
06:01:27 <imode> we talking east or west coast tech salaries.
06:01:44 <kmc> um, some of each? and also startups that didn't pay that much salary, but still plenty
06:02:08 <imode> I ask because I used to frame "more than enough" around $60k.
06:02:20 <imode> then I was introduced to the concept of $150k+.
06:02:28 <kmc> there was one job where I got way too into it and worked too many hours, but that's because i cared about the thing not because of money or being obliged to
06:02:54 <kmc> $150k of which half immediately goes to your landlord ;P
06:03:07 <imode> where you renting. o_O
06:03:12 <kmc> (not quite that bad, but not too far off)
06:03:55 <kmc> you said west coast tech industry. housing in the san francisco area is insanely expensive
06:04:07 <kmc> you need a household income of $350k to buy a median house
06:04:17 <kmc> Seattle's pretty expensive too
06:04:23 <kmc> but at least they are building housing at an adequate rate
06:04:49 <imode> I live much further up north, you'd be surprised at 1. how affordable things are and 2. how good the public transit is.
06:05:24 <imode> currently we pay around $2k for rent + utils.
06:05:33 <imode> and it's a 4 bedroom house.
06:07:30 <imode> the lack of state taxes is also nice. really wouldn't live in seattle though.
06:28:05 <kmc> yeah that's crazy cheap
06:28:17 <kmc> we pay $3k for rent + utils, for a tiny 1BR
06:28:28 <kmc> it's in a nice, though not central location
06:28:34 <kmc> within san francisco
06:29:22 <kmc> it's a special place. there are reasons why people are willing to pay so much to live here
06:32:08 <imode> I'll take your word for that.
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07:44:41 <zzo38> What sample rate is needed to input or output video using a sound card?
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08:40:59 <bunnyocto> halp. I'm continuing an old haskel project and the last change I made was adding a "lift $"
08:42:09 <bunnyocto> something had to be broken and I had to try to fix it with a lift
08:43:18 <bunnyocto> also I added an unsafeInterleaveIO
08:50:09 <bunnyocto> hm. it seems to not to only build fine it actually seems to work without the lift.
08:50:39 <bunnyocto> so. 1J2q.+C~ produces an infinite fibonacci sequence
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09:15:31 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Burlesque: (rm) Invalid arguments!
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09:29:08 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (?+ 5 3) end lisp
09:29:54 <myname> wait, blsq has a lisp interpreter built-in?
09:30:09 <myname> or is it just the bot?
09:30:23 <bunnyocto> you know. the author of blsq is mad.
09:32:16 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (rz (?* (?+ 5 3) 3) end lisp
09:32:16 <blsqbot> | ERROR: (line 1, column 16):
09:32:16 <blsqbot> | expecting space, white space or ")"
09:32:26 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (rz (?* (?+ 5 3) 3)) end lisp
09:32:27 <blsqbot> | {0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24}
09:33:21 <myname> that is a weird error message
09:33:29 <bunnyocto> !blsq %squ={J?*} begin lisp (squ 3) end lisp
09:33:57 <bunnyocto> myname: burlesques parsing rules are veeery complicated
09:34:43 <myname> it looks like it loops or something
09:34:53 <myname> or it is parsing from right to left
09:34:57 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (?+ 1 1) (?+ 1 1) end lisp
09:36:02 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (sv squ {J?*}) (squ 3) end lisp
09:36:03 <blsqbot> | ERROR: (line 1, column 16):
09:36:03 <blsqbot> | expecting space, white space or ")"
09:36:27 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (sv "squ" {J?*}) (squ 3) end lisp
09:36:28 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Unknown command: (squ)!
09:36:36 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (sv "squ" {J?*}) (squ 3) (DB) end lisp
09:36:37 <blsqbot> | ERROR: (line 1, column 16):
09:36:37 <blsqbot> | expecting space, white space or ")"
09:36:50 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (sv "squ" {J?*}) end lisp DB
09:36:50 <blsqbot> | <"____FILE","/dev/irc"><{J ?*},"squ">
09:37:33 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (sv {J?*} "squ") (squ 3) (DB) end lisp
09:37:33 <blsqbot> | ERROR: (line 1, column 16):
09:37:33 <blsqbot> | expecting space, white space or ")"
09:37:41 <bunnyocto> !blsq begin lisp (sv {J?*} "squ") (squ 3) end lisp
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10:21:11 <bunnyocto> ror(1101) should be 1110, and rol(1101) should be (1011)
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10:35:39 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Burlesque: (dg) Invalid arguments!
10:35:56 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Burlesque: (ug) Invalid arguments!
10:35:56 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Burlesque: (+]) Invalid arguments!
10:36:01 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Burlesque: (+]) Invalid arguments!
10:36:01 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Burlesque: (l_) Invalid arguments!
10:38:58 <blsqbot> | 19323349832288915105454068722019581055401465761603328550184537628902466746415537000017939429786029354390082329294586119505153509101332940884098040478728639542560550133727399482778062322407372338121043399668242276591791504658985882995272436541441
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10:45:17 <blsqbot> | {"a" "aa" "aaa" "aaaa" "aaaaa"}
10:46:53 <blsqbot> | {1 ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments! 2 ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments! 3 ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments! 4 ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments! 5}
10:47:29 <blsqbot> | ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments!
10:48:01 <blsqbot> | {ERROR: Burlesque: (r[) Invalid arguments! {++} "a1" ERROR: Burlesque: (r[) Invalid arguments! {++} "a2" ERROR: Burlesque: (r[) Invalid arguments! {++} "a3" ERROR: Burlesque: (r[) Invalid arguments! {++} "a4" ERROR: Burlesque: (r[) Invalid arguments! {++}
10:51:10 <HackEso> Spam is a delicious meat product. See http://www.spamjamhawaii.com/
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19:08:56 <esowiki> [[Your]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68145&oldid=68143 * Hex96 * (+38) /* Examples */
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23:02:11 <HackEso> mspalist? No such file or directory
23:02:16 <HackEso> asmbf-1.1.1 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ just \ karma \ le \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
23:02:20 <HackEso> ls: cannot access 'bin': No such file or directory
23:02:37 <Sgeo__> Blah what's the Homestuck list?
23:02:56 <HackEso> bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ karma.orig \ karma.rej \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ stuff \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
23:03:04 <HackEso> \ \ \ ! \ " \ # \ ' \ ( \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ^.^ \ ` \ `^ \ `` \ ¿ \ ؟ \ ⁗ \ `̀ \ welcome \ ,1 \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ ,2 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ acronym \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ addwhatis \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ as86 \ as-encoding \ asm \ asmbf \ asmbfx \ autowelcome \ bardsworthli
23:03:12 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '../bin/*list': No such file or directory
23:06:36 <HackEso> FireFlist* \ aglist* \ bardsworthlist* \ bobadventureslist* \ calesyta2016list* \ danddreclist* \ don'taskdon'ttelllist@ \ dontaskdonttelllist* \ ehlist* \ emptylist* \ erflist* \ flist* \ idealist* \ ioccclist* \ keenlist* \ list* \ listen* \ listlist* \ llist* \ makelist* \ makelistlist* \ minimalist* \ mlist* \ olist* \ pbflist* \ slist* \ smlist* \ stylist* \ testlist* \ xkcdwhatiflist* \ ysaclist*
23:07:26 <HackEso> Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
23:07:57 <oerjan> then again, it was one of the first, so people could still remember them all
23:08:13 <HackEso> slist 12/24: Taneb atriq Ngevd nvd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
23:08:38 <HackEso> keenlist is notification for when Tom Hall acquires the necessary intellectual property rights to create the videogame series Commander Keen: The Universe is Toast
23:09:11 <Sgeo__> slist also used to be useful a lot more often
23:09:17 <Sgeo__> Which probably helped.
23:09:27 <Sgeo__> We'll probably have this conversation again in about a month
23:12:22 <oerjan> <myname> that is a weird error message <-- iirc burlesque is parsed with the haskell parsec library, which gives such errors.
23:13:48 <oerjan> although i think it may not be written in the recommended style, or the errors would be more sensible.
23:16:34 <oerjan> it parses left to right, but if you use backtracking in the wrong way it can give an error on a too early token because it forgets what really caused it to give up
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