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< 1577405094 984756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how to configure the skip amount by pushing the arrows?
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< 1577407432 555334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should there be a "languages with unknown working" category? There are some on esolang wiki.
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< 1577414017 748648 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you restrict thue's rule space to 3 symbols on the LHS and RHS, is it still turing complete?
< 1577414087 796533 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also assuming a binary alphabet.
< 1577414117 280559 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess yes, because you can construct rule 110 from that...?
< 1577414374 189052 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think black is K because B was already blue, as in RGB
< 1577414380 868778 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure there's anything more to it
< 1577414392 205173 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it meaning "key"
< 1577414417 907406 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not an expert in the field
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< 1577416587 696025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as a X server in PostScript?
< 1577416629 111544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would allow you to print vector graphics from any X client.
< 1577416683 886302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A book I got mentions using PostScript for printing, although they just describe their program generating a PostScript code and then telling the system to print; they also say they could instead generate vector graphics and generate those PostScript codes instead.
< 1577416702 891282 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should look at NeWS.
< 1577416715 265191 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :display postscript and all that.
< 1577416760 667560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other ways would be to write a PostScript program to parse the file format used, or to use a PostScript-based X server.
< 1577416800 292962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I saw NeWS, but I think that PostScript is not a very good document format or protocol, but PostScript is OK as a programming language.
< 1577416839 385337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways it seem that NeWS is not X.
< 1577417087 895241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really like the pie menus either)
< 1577418347 103763 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only see a 3-length binary string rewriting system as being TC if it's used to implement Rule 110. can't see any other way.
< 1577418640 246470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even do that? I mean you can implement the rules just fine, but you lose all the synchronicity.
< 1577418694 149762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, since the transitions overlap... it's not obvious how to make a CA.
< 1577418695 922736 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume a priority order, sure.
< 1577418717 909148 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think..
< 1577418774 494862 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also noteworthy that you operate on an infinite (to both sides) string here, so you're outside the string rewriting formalism anyway.
< 1577418891 796485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that can be worked around; things like termination can still be undecidable for length-preserving string rewriting systems)
< 1577418990 656779 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my real question is: given Thue, limit the string length for the LHS and RHS to some constant value, and limit the alphabet to binary. what's the smallest length that still makes the resulting variant turing complete.
< 1577419192 294680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. probably too hard to answer ;)
< 1577419213 696984 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting idea, though.
< 1577419249 442231 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :65536 systems for length 2; 2^2^(2n) for length n.
< 1577419275 643810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you have to decide on a question for "TC".
< 1577419327 13823 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW, I don't really accept the notion that rule 110 is TC. It embeds too much information in the starting configuration for my taste.)
< 1577419353 446556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with the proof we have.
< 1577419379 76737 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I'm kind of in the same boat.
< 1577419449 776933 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (related) problem with length-preserving SRSs is that if you fix a starting string then it has only finitely many successors, and that makes pretty much every question you might ask about that (termination, reachability of a particular string, even stuff like confluence, weak normalization, and so forth) decidable.
< 1577419469 46286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the question you ask somehow has to allow strings of unbounded length.
< 1577419495 684526 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any reservations about that.
< 1577419503 115818 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "is there a string that doesn't terminate"
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< 1577420460 212957 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello onejar!
< 1577421990 531690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moint-e
< 1577422018 784579 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm morning tea
> 1577423644 2378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68369 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+2950) 10Created page with "'''Human Resource Code''' is an esolang based off a game called [https://tomorrowcorporation.com/humanresourcemachine Human Resource Machine]. The only commands used are those..."
< 1577424641 613491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd updating early, what is this magic
< 1577424687 602965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( it's always possible i just missed the previous one. )
< 1577424757 704261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit off season... unless Randall's gone Australian.
> 1577424765 568887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68370&oldid=68369 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+1518) 10
> 1577424836 907963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68371&oldid=68370 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+3) 10/* Carpet Manipulation */
< 1577425214 955618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not enough fires to be australian hth
< 1577425243 756271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although dmm seems to have stopped twittering about it, so maybe they stopped
< 1577425352 828048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I'm reading they haven't. they have slowed down a little thanks to a bit of rain and less wind.
< 1577425429 744082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
> 1577425505 697525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68372&oldid=68371 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+381) 10
> 1577425714 850422 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68373&oldid=68372 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+2) 10/* Jumping and Controlled Flow */
> 1577426479 479121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:EthanPixelate14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68374 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+38) 10Created page with "I am potato :D  ,---. \___/ ^ | potato"
> 1577426563 576674 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:EthanPixelate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68375&oldid=68374 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (-20) 10
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> 1577426929 401575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68376&oldid=68373 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+200) 10
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> 1577427349 273868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68377&oldid=68376 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+0) 10/* Jumping and Controlled Flow */
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> 1577429587 304820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68378&oldid=68377 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+85) 10/* Basic IO */
> 1577429914 143198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68379&oldid=68378 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+0) 10/* Introduction */
< 1577431012 523021 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1577431085 535976 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1577431092 835442 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a realy scary nightmare last night and i think i'm afraid to fall asleep
< 1577431117 868000 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
> 1577431148 779623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68380&oldid=68379 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+335) 10
> 1577431171 560850 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68381&oldid=68380 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (-1) 10/* Example Programs */
< 1577431173 497967 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved bedding to my sofa
< 1577431223 780249 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm trying to sabotage sleeping
< 1577431262 833086 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try sleeping on the sofa
< 1577431279 632084 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late at night to move it back to my bed
< 1577431290 33686 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah
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> 1577432595 414263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Human Resource Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68382&oldid=68381 5* 03EthanPixelate 5* (+1270) 10/* Example Programs */
< 1577432949 480848 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh we seem to have lost shachaf.
< 1577433633 266195 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? goto
< 1577433636 82545 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1577433696 929389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn GOTO is just one step removed from going to hell.
< 1577433699 385061 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'goto': GOTO is just one step removed from going to hell.
< 1577433995 393274 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there was some display postscript extension for x on sourceforge long ago, i dunno if it ever was completed or any real programs really used it;   i think proprietary unices might have shipped a real thing by default (sun? hpux? vms? irix? i dunno) ...  i assume it was meant to be "compatible" to display such clients on a "free" x server (i.e. on a non-proprietary unix) but i could be way off
< 1577434011 847679 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK it died and was never really used, so you might to google and archive.org to find it
< 1577434045 548554 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall it was related to the xprint extension, but also could be way off
< 1577434054 754690 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which im not sure anyone really uses/used that either
< 1577434149 491554 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it was meant to be compatible with nextstep/openstep non-x stuff, but there was some speculation e.g. gnustep might be curious too use it;     i assume they are/were somewhat use to aim with source-compatible with such apps, but how that manifested/manifests re: display servers i have no idea
< 1577434170 447504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Display Postscript is ancient (oh but I didn't remember that it originated with NeXT)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript
< 1577434186 230415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun.
< 1577434189 498880 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ns/os display postscript i mean);  ns/os you could run x servers too, but i dont believe there was really a "bridge" to/from the DPS stuff, although you could run "rootless" somewhat
< 1577434245 976817 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cube x window x server for nextstep/openstep is free license nowadays :)  iso download i believe
< 1577434255 189971 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it supports 3 or 4 arches
< 1577434259 640934 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :been awhile 
< 1577434270 280207 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my mind it's one of those "next big things" that never materialized.
< 1577434311 321473 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably killed by 3D graphics.
< 1577434334 215169 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru64 or dgux also might have been the thing that had display postscript x extension :/   
< 1577434343 508554 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, maybe for same cad program or something :/
< 1577434358 713142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 3D graphics (and other fancy graphics) are overused
< 1577434363 778817 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this x extension i think was meant to be compatible with that, and not the nextstep/openstep stuff
< 1577434407 292260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still use external PostScript interpreter, such as Ghostscript so you can still use Ghostscript to display PostScript graphics on a X window
< 1577434475 518971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as far as I know, Ghostscript does not provide any way to read X events, nor can the X drawing functions be used in PostScript
< 1577434612 413103 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ns/os  is one of the things i dont think ive ever seen a vnc server for;  client, but not server;   i believe there are "drivers" for e.g. vmware, but im not sure of any good remote display  (although qemu vnc server might suffice)
< 1577434612 633179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only appropriate. Ghosts generally have trouble interacting with their environment.
< 1577434685 243256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard I/O still works, but it doesn't have X events.
< 1577434704 604373 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some forum at least one person was trying to hack a darwin kernel to "backport", and i think they got this frankenstein booting at least, so maybe there will slowly be some up to date "ports",  lack of proper posix is a killer
< 1577434724 925090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even so, PostScript graphics are best for printing rather than on screen, since PostScript uses printer fonts rather than screen fonts)
< 1577434728 546750 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe its all legal, not stolen source or anything..... just very.....frankensteinish
< 1577434763 309986 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theres a next emulator or two now too, to emulate the next hardware, so there are sort of some people still doing stuff
< 1577434773 464403 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just vewwy vewwy quiet
< 1577434863 976689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible to write programs that embed Ghostscript; such as, TeXnicard embeds Ghostscript and SQLite, but uses the TeX fonts rather than PostScript fonts. It isn't very clear how to work separations when using the Ghostscript "display" device though; do you know how?
< 1577434915 318395 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you arent asking me, i play with oses; programming is another story :/
< 1577434954 533191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Which oses you play with?
< 1577434990 541764 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything i can get my grubby hands on;  i dont have much hardware nowadays, just cheap x86 stuff;   the one thing i cant find an emualtor for is beos ppc, no powerpc emulator that i have found will run it
< 1577435012 497362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TeXnicard is written half in C, half in SQL, and half in PostScript. It does not embed TeX but does use its font formats and some of its algorithms.)
< 1577435075 374024 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in ##electronics said they are writing an sgi indy emulator, qemu is too slow
< 1577435084 825845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kindoffrance: I have not used many operating systems, but have used emulation of some systems, including 6502
< 1577435101 671446 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that perhaps is i used to have real hw, but never had time to play with
< 1577435109 387976 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he is doing penance for my sins of losing that hw
< 1577435113 422146 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my mind
< 1577435126 151771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, TeXnicard includes PCRE as well)
< 1577435175 635925 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1577435182 980548 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess alpha emulators dont like windows nt, but that doesnt particularly interest me
< 1577435212 904683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I worked it enough would you or someone to try to make templates to render Magic: the Gathering cards and other card games with TeXnicard?
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< 1577435235 552015 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a tex guy other than lyx :)
< 1577435254 126657 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is rare i have do someting that looks nice
< 1577435406 73404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TeX is a good typesetting system (for when you want text, rather than graphics; for graphics, PostScript is better), and wrote my own DVI driver that reads the DVI and PK fonts and converts it into the rasterized format.
< 1577435454 980319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, TeXnicard does not actually use TeX (it implements some of its algorithms and file formats itself) (although METAFONT is recommended, but not technically strictly required); it uses SQL and PostScript.
< 1577435480 254946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you do not need to know how to program in TeX to use TeXnicard.
< 1577435490 101993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you make up your own Magic: the Gathering cards?
< 1577435494 300351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes I do.)
< 1577435529 989173 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was never part of such things, other than rpg video games vaguely reminescent/relate
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< 1577435543 594312 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. some of the final fantasy games added cards eventually
< 1577435591 840910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You might wonder why it is called TeXnicard if it does not use TeX. I suppose the relation of TeXnicard to TeX is about as much as TeXmacs is to TeX; TeXmacs doesn't use TeX either.)
< 1577435596 702124 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno about modern stuff if they kept such things as a "side game" type thing
< 1577435868 596506 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you are making your own cards that is probably more in the spirit of such things
< 1577435898 655635 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"purists" probably hate people who do such, but so long as they are not blatant ripoffs, it probably shows you understand the "mechanics" or "substance" of things
< 1577435923 835994 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to have some understanding to do such things i mean, or at least well
< 1577435982 427963 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people hated many f.f. and square "3d remakes" and re-scores (music), but really, that to me is kind of what they wouldve done had they better hardware than e.g. snes
< 1577436041 276960 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people just dont like anyone touching their favorite thing, even the same company who made it, but as long as it is in the spirit of things, it doesnt bother me
< 1577436223 79240 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its totally different if e.g. you are selling stuff commercially, then i would say stay far away from such things
< 1577436234 279806 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for many reasons, not just "fan acceptance"
< 1577436275 896060 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trademark issues
< 1577436331 252415 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the beauty of my nick; so long as there is no competition i am scot free
< 1577436350 31133 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont want to mess with people who have not abandoned their throne
< 1577436971 670206 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other beauty is i will probably never go to france, so in exile i am safer
< 1577437018 720193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course if I make up the card, is unofficial. It is not meant to be used in official tournament. Many other people also make up such unofficial card
< 1577437048 438656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These unofficial cards is not meant to be sold commercially either)
< 1577438583 591089 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got the populatory of mtg tbh. I know it has been around for quite a while, but imo there are better competitive card games
< 1577438638 829799 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yu-gi-oh ruined some of those, though
< 1577440459 390680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you might want to construct puzzles out of nonstandard cards (like how sometimes they construct puzzles out of nonstandard chess pieces), so in such cases you might use names such as #1 and #2 and so on, and then list the text of the nonstandard cards with the puzzle.
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< 1577449582 397528 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how were the brainfuck constants on wiki generatede?
< 1577449746 755191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine brute force? enumerate all programs up to a certain length and run them to conclusion (up to some number of steps), then check the tape for numbers?
> 1577449775 596103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68383&oldid=68367 5* 03Herman-L 5* (+320) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1577452972 823109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ral14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68384 5* 03Herman-L 5* (+2892) 10Created page with "Ral is a stack-based random-access esoteric language created by Code Golf and Coding Challenges user [https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/70894/ Herman-L].  == Descriptio..."
> 1577453439 359124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ral14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68385&oldid=68384 5* 03Herman-L 5* (+408) 10Add sample code
> 1577453585 533489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68386&oldid=68034 5* 03Herman-L 5* (+10) 10Add Ral
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> 1577456516 854659 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68387&oldid=68383 5* 03Aliu0130 5* (+280) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1577462425 6971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68389 5* 03Hex96 5* (+75) 10Created page with "hey truttle, can your next vid be about one of my esolangs, [[Muppp]]? Thx."
> 1577463141 23112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A very long language name that is very weird and yeah, this is your but its this14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68390 5* 03Hex96 5* (+204) 10Created page with "A very long language name that is very weird and yeah, this is your but its this is [[Your]] but every Your is replaced by A very long language name that is very weird and yea..."
> 1577463166 375422 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hex9614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68391&oldid=68363 5* 03Hex96 5* (+87) 10
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> 1577463490 210049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68394&oldid=68393 5* 03Hex96 5* (+12) 10/* M */
> 1577464023 955274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68395&oldid=68394 5* 03Hex96 5* (+11) 10/* U */
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> 1577465013 362318 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68396&oldid=68387 5* 03Pppery 5* (+159) 10/* Introductions */
> 1577465111 975322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Intcode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68397&oldid=68359 5* 03Pppery 5* (+0) 10/* Evolution */  Relative mode wasn't actually introduced until Day 9
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< 1577470097 414610 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1577470103 71354 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommend any new nonfiction books?
< 1577470287 54175 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what subject
< 1577470680 726863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have question relating to quantum entanglement. Will the "backward in time" model work? If two experimenters far away from each other make the same measurement and have the opposite answer, then they are, from the point of view from each other, backward in time to the source and then forward to the other one, in the other direction.
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< 1577471466 357493 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any subjects kmc 
< 1577471532 908712 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this a way of asking does quantum information travel faster than light? i think the answer is no
< 1577471546 956753 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can produce correlated results but not send any information
< 1577471616 597975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is not a way of asking about information. I know it does not send any information.
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< 1577474374 73227 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the person nicknamed A do
< 1577474383 329955 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there was huge mess at the wiki
< 1577474396 546841 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone protected his user page from creating for unknown to me reason
< 1577474399 334236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that if the German word "Deutsch" were made English, then it would be "Theech". Do you know if it is or not?
< 1577474461 316097 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone asked me, I'd reply it's reasonable
< 1577474528 235820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know German so well? Then maybe you might know better than I would know
< 1577474595 317316 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to learn it for couple of years
< 1577474599 105770 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an expert though
< 1577474680 617615 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theedish" or "Theech" is an adaptation of Old English þéodisc, meaning "national" (from þéod, "nation"). It's of the same origin as the German word Deutsch (which goes back to Old German diot, also meaning "nation"), hence why it's used as an English equivalent. A lot of national names come from words meaning simply "nation" in the native tongues.
< 1577474763 823740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
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< 1577475365 660258 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kspalaiologos> what did the person nicknamed A do => a mess. Though what specifically in the last several days, I hadn’t watched
< 1577475433 242366 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda sad
< 1577475438 185588 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see the wiki being vandalized
< 1577475479 596564 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some people which unfortunately type faster than they should have been considering doing :(
< 1577475544 58365 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically A usually edited mainly pages created by them, and pages like language property lists. If it had progressed beyond that, well, shame
< 1577475556 537927 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/them/themselves*
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< 1577481782 484630 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user-94-254-232-10.play-internet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any eaisly portable compiler for any language? 
< 1577481796 872366 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user-94-254-232-10.play-internet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried currently 9cc,8cc,sdcc,cc65
< 1577481796 910658 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@user-94-254-232-10.play-internet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :And smallerc
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< 1577486278 845634 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite question I hadn’t asked anybody, ever: how do you solve the expression problem?
< 1577486307 253122 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a statically-typed language)
< 1577486317 451567 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression problem?
< 1577486569 768764 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: there are several types of data, several types of operations applicable to all of them, and you need to be able to add both data and operations without modifying the existing code (e. g. it’s partially third-party or you don’t want to break API or something). Also it’s desirable that when a (data, operation) case isn’t defined for some existing data and operation, the compiler would complain even when that case isn’t u
< 1577486569 855408 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed anywhere. Though the last part is my invention I think. Also I’ll find a link about this thing
< 1577486674 73025 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://koerbitz.me/posts/Solving-the-Expression-Problem-in-Haskell-and-Java.html maybe here is a bearable description with some additional context too
< 1577486692 217946 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I go to sleep
< 1577487009 813259 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw about that in Haskell, there are finally tagless interpreters but they aren’t very cool when you need to inspect the data structure?.. I hadn’t read much on that yet, though I’m partially interested in the topic. Maybe I would make a language and wish there were no e. p.
< 1577487043 357421 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.11.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, extensible records and ext. variants are nice for that part
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< 1577490243 922427 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 3 days worth of free time and I'm doing nothing with it.
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