< 1577924349 778941 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1577925580 767606 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zcskhnhkyjcxzxdo JOIN :#esoteric < 1577926431 453867 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00312e9fee9a82bd09.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1577928491 525819 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-204-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1577929574 606976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can speak English too, although perhaps not as well as human speeching English, since English is a human speech. (Also humans speeching their language won't as well either) < 1577929681 49367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1577929715 453796 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1577931552 266089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh HackEso fell off fungot's ignore list? < 1577931552 539148 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yea. i was talking about here, habsheim air show < 1577931603 500105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it seems the ZWSP stops it < 1577931613 956079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo fungot < 1577931614 216380 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: smoz, you still you don't feature charlie in your videos more, and several others convicted of man slaughter < 1577931618 789017 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1577931627 247382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently has been fixed < 1577931658 133111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1577931658 329826 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1577932916 653695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a New Year tradition to watch it live <-- he's probably exempt from being austrian < 1577932965 323043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm exempt from not watching tv and being asleep < 1577933060 273825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i do remember it. as well as the ski jumps in garmish-partenkirchen, do they still do that? < 1577933075 780273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+c < 1577933096 694484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently. < 1577933397 563753 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: happy new year < 1577933397 856043 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but, we are far outnumbered! okay! no...! help! < 1577933638 487326 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-204-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1577933814 438105 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-204-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1577933863 617534 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1577933961 697069 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1577933962 314759 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1577934393 284692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : arguably anything in latin probably sounds more serious <-- itym "QVIDQVID LATINE DICTVM SIT, ALTVM VIDETVR" hth < 1577934904 894095 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ > 1577935047 14289 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tier14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68603 5* 03BN 5* (+10377) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |paradigms=Imperative |author=[[User:BN]] |name=Tier |year=[[:Category:2020]] |typesys= |memsys=stack-based |class=:Category:Turing complete|Turing comple..." < 1577935162 117948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be Latin if you are writing in Latin, and if you are making up new words in English then probably it should be English instead (unless there are no suitable word, perhaps) < 1577935424 512755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, there are a lot of Latin words in English anyways, but English has its own words, too. > 1577935497 11208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68604 5* 03BN 5* (+96) 10Created page with "Hello there. Hi my name is Brian, and I created the [[Tier]] programming language, check it out!" < 1577935535 994205 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-204-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1577935748 87732 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68605&oldid=68598 5* 03BN 5* (+11) 10 > 1577935791 280404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tier14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68606&oldid=68603 5* 03BN 5* (+5) 10 < 1577935835 967760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are words from many language used in English. And it seems much more rarely, some people just make up a word from nothing, perhaps "cromulent" is such thing) < 1577935842 774307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it is listed in Wiktionary) < 1577935952 464848 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was made up to sound like a real word but is "intentionally morphologically opaque" < 1577935993 702118 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike "embiggen" which is a humorous example of a standard construction > 1577936088 342029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tier14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68607&oldid=68606 5* 03BN 5* (+18) 10 < 1577936108 148519 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are various attempts to keep Latin up to date and usable in the modern world < 1577936123 492689 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even a Vicipaedia: https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Pagina_prima < 1577936152 926886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it is not so bad that you can continue to read/write Latin. < 1577936204 423914 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks "Pagina fortuita" a few times < 1577936222 62918 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it seems good to me, and definitely esoteric < 1577936320 541443 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am interested in mycology, which involves learning a lot of species names < 1577936328 668495 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is nice to know a few latin words < 1577936352 591409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is good to learn many things, Latin and otherwise. < 1577936377 472602 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one complication is that they keep moving the fungi around to different genera < 1577936390 851375 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as DNA testing reveals that two things thought to be closely related aren't really, or vice versa < 1577936399 440161 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot of mushrooms have got many different historical names < 1577936484 830720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I read about that < 1577936522 994397 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only recently that DNA sequencing has become cheap enough to sequence lots of obscure mushrooms that aren't of direct importance to humanity < 1577936532 414702 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you like mushrooms? looking for them can be fun < 1577936561 754729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like to eat mushrooms, but otherwise neutral < 1577936572 968320 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been looking around the city for mushrooms every day < 1577936580 945077 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always find plenty of different kinds < 1577936589 64223 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although rarely ones which are worth eating < 1577936602 885393 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wife made some yellow dye for wool and silk out of mushrooms < 1577936871 577767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know much of linguistics of non-human physiology? < 1577937189 47942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( it's on the tip of my tongues ) < 1577937587 402887 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know nothing of mushrooms, but i chop them up and put in soup, on sandwiches, etc. i am pro-mushroom despite being a noob < 1577937626 970109 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i of course just purchase at store, i dont go hunting < 1577937668 892071 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think i would eat them alone though < 1577938548 107418 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza of course < 1577938566 663439 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no < 1577938586 723364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1577938589 619060 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms are good on pizza < 1577938592 646805 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pasta < 1577938595 239219 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lots of other things < 1577938603 374757 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an amazing mushroom risotto last weekend < 1577938610 630721 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a fancy french place my girlfriend took me to < 1577938713 554705 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't eat mushrooms raw though < 1577938715 912210 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not safe < 1577938741 925824 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for common button mushrooms from the store it's said to cause increased risk of cancer (but what isn't) < 1577938751 540536 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point though the taste and texture is nasty when they are not cooked < 1577938769 307920 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good way to cook mushrooms is to slice them, heat them in a dry pan to get rid of some of the water, then sautee them in butter < 1577939653 790213 :imode-ruby!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you saw the same video I did today lmao. < 1577939665 950960 :imode-ruby!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :use water to sautee them. < 1577939792 337868 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I? < 1577939801 88353 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned that from Mushrooms Demystified < 1577939806 37317 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a book by David Arora < 1577939828 121685 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure that sauteeing things in water is possible < 1577939828 814884 :imode-ruby!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :america's test kitchen has a video about cooking mushrooms. < 1577939836 100821 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1577939848 800378 :imode-ruby!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :got recommended to me. < 1577939865 492232 :imode-ruby!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPLCmwBLBY this one. < 1577942182 109535 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another word which sounds like a Simpsons joke, but it's actually from the title of an ancient Roman political satire https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pumpkinification < 1577942358 762257 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you think 13 barrels are possible? < 1577942358 938345 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you! take! we find! < 1577942367 530140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1577942367 719105 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1577942378 643323 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1577942378 872283 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1577942456 486790 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(context is http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/January2020.html ) < 1577948456 942640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of a computer with speech once misinterpreted someone's middle initial as a number. Their middle initial was M; do any kings or popes or someone else using numbers in this way have that many? < 1577948585 724652 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why cant i play ct as spekkio? what kind of open-ended multiple endings gameplay is that? < 1577948585 943510 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kingoffrance: i must ponder this turn of events, it can have a powerful effect on time. ask the one to bring back lost loved ones... it's what that guy in medina, a village near the mystic mountain" 65,000,000 b. c.? yes. no. < 1577948648 957049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/OtherDanOBrien/status/1210741711313354752 is cool < 1577948849 235406 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he's considering it < 1577949559 805160 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zcskhnhkyjcxzxdo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1577951408 890623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07If(j)invert()if(l)change()if(q)input()if(t)output(x);14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68608&oldid=63873 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+24) 10 > 1577951499 739343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:If(j)invert()if(l)change()if(q)input()if(t)output(x);14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68609&oldid=39434 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+42) 10+Unsigned > 1577951558 156279 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68610&oldid=54826 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+59) 10WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU CATEGORIZE AT ALL! > 1577951583 998822 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Warp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68611&oldid=42552 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+24) 10 > 1577951676 135585 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BitP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68612&oldid=52503 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+49) 10 > 1577951703 681692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68613&oldid=44804 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+55) 10 < 1577954136 495228 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1577954348 105006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All The Tropes says the official motto of Hells Angels is "When we do right, nobody remembers. When we do wrong, nobody forgets." However, I could not find that on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Do you know if it is true or not? < 1577954674 550283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1577955103 338374 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they did right < 1577955324 172146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-254.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1577955803 609968 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric > 1577965106 876962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Comp14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68614 5* 03Hex96 5* (+1334) 10Created page with "comp is an esolang by [[User:Hex96|Hex]]. it is stack based. ==commands==

 # print the top value on the stack in ascii.  print the top value on the stack as a number...."
> 1577965129 179407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hex9614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68615&oldid=68503 5* 03Hex96 5* (+11) 10/* List of esolangs */
< 1577965438 199150 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a003582eb125da3fd6a.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577967263 409354 :MDead!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577967382 521188 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1577967387 958905 :MDead!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net NICK :MDude
> 1577967388 308488 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68616&oldid=68605 5* 03Hex96 5* (+11) 10/* C */
> 1577967582 17080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Langlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68617&oldid=68581 5* 03Hex96 5* (+105) 10/* Examples */
> 1577967618 13957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Langlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68618&oldid=68617 5* 03Hex96 5* (+18) 10
> 1577967641 597929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Langlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68619&oldid=68618 5* 03Hex96 5* (+7) 10
< 1577972456 475989 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.9.253.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577973488 242750 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqjzrmrczxadrspf JOIN :#esoteric
> 1577973788 434465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Comp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68620&oldid=68614 5* 03A 5* (+89) 10WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU CATEGORIZE AT ALL!
< 1577974279 840300 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's back
< 1577974281 61356 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao
< 1577974305 930266 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he always will be, i guess
< 1577974324 186015 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why he's so destructive
< 1577974805 509848 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining a grumpy old man of 13 years of age... :)
< 1577975174 462543 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577975193 501255 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: he's a BBC Norvegian village
< 1577977154 289198 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1577977183 232725 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577978331 383252 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in HackEso, can you please install the packages {unzip, zip, p7zip} so we can extract compressed archives more easily? this caused us some difficulty at https://esolangs.org/logs/2019-07.html#lVmb , so those utils would help. and they're not big.
< 1577978382 353400 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? interps
< 1577978383 437210 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ibin
< 1577978383 930344 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1577978385 63367 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1577978393 91458 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577978449 359398 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: /hackenv/interps also has some directories in which interpreter stuff are installed, so you can create a directory there too rather than lib if you prefer
< 1577978488 403217 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkay
< 1577978490 61922 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1577978496 766431 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls /hackenv/lib/kps
< 1577978498 36974 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bconv \ bfasm \ bfi \ bfi-rle \ bfintd \ bfmake \ bfpp \ derle.pl \ labels.pl \ strip.pl
< 1577978508 274590 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't remember this a few days ago when you asked for a directory, because lib and share are the more standard unixy thing, whereas interps was some old style HackEgo EgoBot emulation thing
< 1577978523 332191 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cp /hackenv/lib/kps/bfi /hackenv/interps/
< 1577978532 417573 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1577978534 648206 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577978537 319823 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use it
< 1577978539 625392 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bfi
< 1577978540 725406 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: bfi src.b
< 1577978548 149928 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not surprised
< 1577978556 61380 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1577978556 990562 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ what.tar.gz
< 1577978559 477494 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bfi output.b
< 1577978560 249360 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1577978563 983985 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00l
< 1577978602 641382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which zip; which unzip; which p7zip
< 1577978603 564990 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/zip \ /usr/bin/unzip \ /usr/bin/p7zip
< 1577978604 712473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Done.
< 1577978613 426163 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1577978733 502078 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oops, it seems the 7z utility is in the p7zip-full package. debian is confusing with its nice fine-grained packages.
< 1577978769 948643 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought p7zip-full was the GUI component -- nope
< 1577978782 237639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. It was on the recommended list. Added that as well.
< 1577978788 111410 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1577978790 869388 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` 7z
< 1577978791 969079 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ 7-Zip [64] 16.02 : Copyright (c) 1999-2016 Igor Pavlov : 2016-05-21 \ p7zip Version 16.02 (locale=C,Utf16=off,HugeFiles=on,64 bits,1 CPU QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.1.3 (623),ASM) \  \ Usage: 7z  [...]  [...] \        [<@listfiles...>] \  \  \   a : Add files to archive \   b : Benchmark \   d : Delete files from archive \   e : Extract files from archive (without using directory name
< 1577978799 9446 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unzip is the most important, but this can help
< 1577978816 857393 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` 7z l asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz
< 1577978817 942026 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ 7-Zip [64] 16.02 : Copyright (c) 1999-2016 Igor Pavlov : 2016-05-21 \ p7zip Version 16.02 (locale=C,Utf16=off,HugeFiles=on,64 bits,1 CPU QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.1.3 (623),ASM) \  \ Scanning the drive for archives: \ 1 file, 41301 bytes (41 KiB) \  \ Listing archive: asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz \  \ -- \ Path = asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz \ Type = gzip \ Headers Size = 10 \  \    Date      Time    Attr         Size   Compressed  Name \ -----------------
< 1577978831 109392 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` 7z l asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz | paste
< 1577978832 533003 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.4903
< 1577978854 241493 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` rm -v /hackenv/tmp/paste/paste.4903
< 1577978855 265374 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed '/hackenv/tmp/paste/paste.4903'
< 1577978874 822088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for interps, it's kind of related to the whole `! / ibin thing, though of course in the end it's just a directory like any other. The short version of that story is, /hackenv/bin/! runs commands from /hackenv/ibin/*, which typically (but not always) use binaries stored in directories under /hackenv/interps/*.
< 1577978896 889673 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? !
< 1577978898 593340 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is a syntax used in Haskell and Prolog for solving evaluation order problems.
< 1577978900 205349 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `!
< 1577978901 481126 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used.
< 1577978926 419068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how expected it would be for new language interpreters to integrate with `!.
< 1577978961 41378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls ../ibin
< 1577978962 273013 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ 7 \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ brachylog \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ lua \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ slashes \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl
< 1577978989 72741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chances are not all of those even work.
< 1577978991 840309 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after I suggested that to kspalaiologos, someone explained that it wouldn't be appropriate because bfasm isn't an interpreter, it compiles a language to brainfuck and gives brainfuck source code as output
< 1577979014 316074 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only that wrapper that executes the resulting bf code should be integrated there
< 1577979040 176068 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1577979043 912642 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right.
< 1577979055 142079 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one could wire them up so assembly code is directly ran
< 1577979076 890518 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a moment
< 1577979079 58888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that wrapper would be in ibin, but all the underlying machinery can well be under interps. If you wanted to integrate with `!, anyway. Whether that makes sense is subjective.
< 1577979099 304814 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to get what you're sying
< 1577979102 264139 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's `!?
< 1577979113 709361 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bfi
< 1577979114 757008 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/!: line 4: /hackenv/ibin/bfi: No such file or directory
< 1577979119 668891 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I know
< 1577979179 530676 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso#Interpreters explains it... nope, it doesn't
< 1577979188 69389 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat <<<"asmbf && bfi /hackenv/tmp/output.b && rm -f /hackenv/tmp/output.b" > /hackenv/ibin/asmbf
< 1577979190 420306 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979201 452870 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asmbf out .0
< 1577979202 321221 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/!: line 4: /hackenv/ibin/asmbf: Permission denied \ /hackenv/bin/!: line 4: exec: /hackenv/ibin/asmbf: cannot execute: Permission denied
< 1577979207 292286 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruh
< 1577979218 691759 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` chmod +x /hackenv/ibin/asmbf
< 1577979221 25083 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979222 117365 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asmbf out .0
< 1577979224 245674 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: bfi src.b
< 1577979229 33796 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn
< 1577979231 346552 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t seem to work
< 1577979243 836672 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all ancient history, `! started as emulating EgoBot's interpreters when HackEgo was introduced, but all that was before I came here
< 1577979413 736165 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ain't it working
< 1577979415 209375 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1577979416 317413 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ what.tar.gz
< 1577979421 226993 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there clearly is output.b
< 1577979424 362719 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwd
< 1577979426 261269 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :cwd? No such file or directory
< 1577979427 777392 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cd
< 1577979428 653192 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd? No such file or directory
< 1577979441 353372 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd
< 1577979442 142463 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/tmp
< 1577979446 407362 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1577979462 481389 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat <<<"asmbf && bfi output.b && rm -f output.b" > /hackenv/ibin/asmbf
< 1577979465 293217 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979468 753702 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ugly shit but should work)
< 1577979473 421390 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asmbf out .0
< 1577979475 177273 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979478 44321 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1577979483 942901 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls
< 1577979489 723029 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ just \ karma \ le \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ what.tar.gz
< 1577979499 285390 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat <<<"asmbf && bfi output.b" > /hackenv/ibin/asmbf
< 1577979501 589045 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979503 445383 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asmbf out .0
< 1577979504 916967 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979531 881504 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bfi output.b
< 1577979532 777048 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979535 687470 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm confused
< 1577979538 297350 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat output.b
< 1577979539 65183 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
< 1577979545 564256 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, what
< 1577979561 117375 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asmbf "out .0"
< 1577979562 749602 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979570 78518 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use this `!?
< 1577979572 341364 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?!
< 1577979573 52982 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!? No such file or directory
< 1577979575 237361 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? !
< 1577979576 541044 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is a syntax used in Haskell and Prolog for solving evaluation order problems.
< 1577979608 298838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge 0"siht ekil">:#,_@
< 1577979614 841926 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this
< 1577979699 337755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, `! itself literally just runs a binary from ibin. But mostly the assumption is for that to interpret the contents of its argument in some language or another.
< 1577979714 833409 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I 
< 1577979716 434361 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get it
< 1577979716 705266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't *need* to integrate with `!, as the help text mentions, it's kind of stale now.
< 1577979732 540087 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesnt it work though
< 1577979733 279437 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look
< 1577979741 360019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you put in ibin/asmbf should work as far as the wrapper goes.
< 1577979741 621372 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` asmbf out .0
< 1577979743 28049 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1577979746 121397 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` bfi output.b
< 1577979747 640997 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1577979749 31054 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work
< 1577979750 674181 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesnt
< 1577979820 325469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` asmbf 'out .0'; cat output.b
< 1577979822 161098 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>>>>>[-]>++++++[<++++++++>-]<.[-]<<<<<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
< 1577979825 965388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! 'asmbf out .0'; cat output.b
< 1577979827 540928 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
< 1577979833 245369 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `!
< 1577979834 397383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, well, that's kind of odd.
< 1577979835 497044 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used.
< 1577979848 937675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, your wrapper just executes "asmbf" with no arguments.
< 1577979857 179967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it doesn't work.
< 1577979872 67219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing in ibin/asmbf to use its command line for anything.
< 1577979892 849361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled /hackenv/ibin/asmbf//s|asmbf|asmbf "$@"|
< 1577979895 145046 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/ibin/asmbf//asmbf "$@" && bfi output.b
< 1577979901 568633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! 'asmbf out .0'; cat output.b
< 1577979904 386757 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>>>>>[-]>++++++[<++++++++>-]<.[-]<<<<<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
< 1577979911 81397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asmbf out .0
< 1577979912 713235 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1577979915 464821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go.
< 1577979972 58138 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1577979975 449895 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it takes input from args
< 1577979979 193186 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not stdin as I expected
< 1577979979 722971 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
< 1577980025 762693 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some sort of wrapper invoked by many of the interpreters in ibin that bridge that
< 1577980033 242849 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set of arcane shell scripts
< 1577980055 743891 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one
< 1577980063 198135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's a canonical set of helper shell functions in /hackenv/lib/interp that many ibin/* interpreters use to turn the arguments into either stdin or a file.
< 1577980066 48933 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see the arcane
< 1577980071 628984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on what the underlying interpreter wants.
< 1577980081 988335 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls /hackenv/lib/interp
< 1577980084 277374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course in your case bin/asmbf wants command-line arguments too, so those aren't useful.
< 1577980088 95920 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/lib/interp
< 1577980094 992285 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful as heck
< 1577980096 714235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just one file they all source, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/lib/interp
< 1577980100 113569 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackeso pls
< 1577980112 897362 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` /bin/ls -abF /hackenv/ibin
< 1577980113 905373 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ \ ../ \ 1l* \ 2l* \ 7* \ adjust* \ asm* \ asmbf* \ axo* \ bch* \ befunge* \ befunge98* \ bf* \ bf16@ \ bf32@ \ bf8@ \ bf_txtgen* \ boolfuck* \ brachylog* \ c* \ cintercal* \ clcintercal* \ cxx* \ dimensifuck* \ forth* \ glass* \ glypho* \ haskell* \ help* \ java* \ k* \ kipple* \ lambda* \ lazyk* \ linguine* \ lua* \ malbolge* \ pbrain* \ perl* \ qbf* \ rail* \ rhotor* \ sadol* \ sceql* \ sh* \ slashes* \ trigger* \ udage01* \ underload*
< 1577980120 183389 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose one of those
< 1577980130 237513 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1577980134 745920 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so maybe malbolge
< 1577980147 145432 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` at /hackenv/ibin/malbolge
< 1577980147 676146 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat /hackenv/ibin/malbolge
< 1577980148 282868 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: at: command not found
< 1577980148 957074 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ . ${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/interp \ interp_file ${HACKENV-/hackenv}/interps/malbolge/malbolge.bin
< 1577980156 787798 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bin?
< 1577980165 554471 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would give an elf binary this extension
< 1577980178 674396 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's interesting nonetheless
< 1577980179 481050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? It's a binary.
< 1577980191 459124 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bin or .hex is usually a flat binary
< 1577980205 123209 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while elf isn't quite a flat executable
< 1577980214 279422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all a matter of convention.
< 1577980219 767076 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1577980230 573387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /hackenv/interps/befunge  # as well
< 1577980231 613145 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bef.bin \ bef.c \ USED_VERSION
< 1577980247 971326 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a flat binary uses the extension .com
< 1577980252 878173 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577980298 979256 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would disagree
< 1577980306 857188 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only the .com extension
< 1577980513 202991 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1577983070 141697 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577984163 90194 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1577984872 121901 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqjzrmrczxadrspf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1577986556 361265 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a003582eb125da3fd6a.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1577986562 928592 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1577987243 228122 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we change the featured language?
< 1577987257 454042 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe pick another one randomly from given pool
< 1577987264 717021 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of submissions/candidates
> 1577987265 828393 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Animosian14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68621 5* 03Star651 5* (+4182) 10Created page with " Animosian is a scripting language invented by [[User:Star651]] on January 2, 2020, after receiving a high-tech vision in a dream in 2004 or 2005, realizing that such a l..."
> 1577987294 524387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Animosian14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68622&oldid=68621 5* 03Star651 5* (+41) 10
< 1577987369 10312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's already how it works. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates documents the process.
< 1577987412 268788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "Every so often" is measured in years, though.)
< 1577987424 71698 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/GolfSpace
< 1577987429 674425 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A leftover?
< 1577987727 131086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : I only cleaned up the recently created ones, that didn't even attempt to make a joke. There's a lot of A contributions left.
< 1577987889 907244 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577987952 687246 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we end the regin of Thue?
< 1577987954 482364 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.7
< 1577988030 862193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it's been featured for such a short time so far.
< 1577988075 910617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We featured brainfuck from 2013 to 2019.
< 1577988260 396566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My personal preference is still to go through the Befunge article with a fine-toothed comb and then feature that, but I never seem to get around to it. (Though the article wasn't as unpolished as I remembered it being, last I checked.)
> 1577988521 124380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68623&oldid=66676 5* 03B jonas 5* (+61) 10/* List of candidates */ unpropose Befunge, propose Nopfunge
< 1577988533 192871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah yes, good thing you mention it
< 1577988557 891131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1577988582 114882 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Underload article is in a good state, so that might be the most solid candidate
< 1577988692 16854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I thought we had already featured Underload, but apparently not.
< 1577988728 661644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577988768 502216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1577988770 322561 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00d97f8cac67497fae.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577988930 131334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a solid choice, and maybe a new decade is a good excuse for a new featured language.
< 1577988999 505328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577989050 279860 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, we should probably wait until Thue has been featured for a year
< 1577989487 447337 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-55-111-60.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1577989521 285187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should leave Befunge on the candidates page, but without my endorsement, just for the feature paragraph
< 1577989665 497945 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will, and if you don't like it, you can just revert the page
> 1577989674 484164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68624&oldid=68491 5* 03BN 5* (+40) 10
< 1577989710 257118 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopfunge is interesting
> 1577989761 722901 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68625&oldid=68623 5* 03B jonas 5* (+823) 10
< 1577989775 423703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1577989799 570342 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some interesting ais523 languages that I can propose next, but there's a limit of one proposal per person
< 1577989826 526887 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it's turing complete
< 1577989829 719629 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can one translate brainfuck to it?
< 1577989837 941916 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem doable though
< 1577989850 417736 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you can, except for the IO
< 1577989865 77234 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the "infinite" memory
< 1577989868 726053 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and branching
< 1577989875 512502 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially conditional one
< 1577989891 908514 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my mind is constr
< 1577989893 576783 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ained
< 1577989895 82166 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00d97f8cac67497fae.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unconditional branching" sounds like an alien concept
< 1577989909 825112 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ jmp %somewhere
< 1577989928 859209 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite simple in nopfunge I believe
< 1577989955 58172 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as the minsky machine has just two registers
< 1577989956 950792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite memory is encoded in the two coordinates of the program counter of Nopfunge. there's a double-exponential blowup, so if you need n bytes of memory in brainfuck, the program counter coordinates will have 2**O(n) bits and will be of size 2**2**O(n)
> 1577989968 49669 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68626&oldid=68587 5* 03BN 5* (+29) 10
< 1577989977 45341 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :** is exponentation?
< 1577989979 227728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1577989997 764100 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is deterministic, the decisions corresponding to these deterministic branches will happen in the translated program
< 1577989997 921468 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting though
< 1577990000 797337 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, no IO
< 1577990007 670938 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's brainfuck without the . or , statements
< 1577990015 364689 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 brainfuck cells, the minimum to run asm2bf
< 1577990022 411414 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will result in 2**2**20 bytes required
< 1577990034 619426 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1577990038 500484 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a big O in it
< 1577990047 660199 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not 2**2**20 bytes
< 1577990052 810809 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is it?
> 1577990060 215977 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68627&oldid=68626 5* 03BN 5* (+7) 10/* Tier */
< 1577990065 341431 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never explicitly store the periodic code space, because it's periodic
< 1577990074 149418 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2**2**O(n) is how large the program counter will grow
< 1577990080 881153 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how large the source code is
< 1577990088 568813 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grow or reach?
< 1577990098 976972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference?
< 1577990117 324243 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the pointer will reach at most 2**2**O(n) the size is equal to square of it obviously
< 1577990127 708769 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(implying that it'll be a square)
< 1577990129 443469 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you can set n to 20 only if it's fixed size brainfuck cells
< 1577990141 727629 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00d97f8cac67497fae.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god
< 1577990147 615801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of the imaginary playfield, yes, but you don't have to store that anywhere
< 1577990148 625738 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00d97f8cac67497fae.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2**2**O(n)" o___O
< 1577990151 488310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a periodic playfield
< 1577990158 64445 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
< 1577990162 971960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only store one period, or two if you wish
< 1577990175 225230 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the two coordniates of the program counter, which each have 2**O(n) bits
< 1577990188 845057 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1577990194 862765 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand (a bit) now
< 1577990200 764442 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if your brainfuck program is one that runs forever and requires unbounded memory, then the translation will require unbounded memory too
< 1577990254 431911 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way more than 64 bits can hold
< 1577990256 851639 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even trhing
< 1577990263 151582 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a very nice concept isn't it
< 1577990311 69182 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should improve the minsky machine article
< 1577990314 34245 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not helpful at all
< 1577990321 595705 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to understand the topic so I may take on it later
< 1577990352 931027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yes, that's a good point
< 1577990364 987244 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in practice it serves no information
< 1577990394 294656 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither it nor the Fractran article gives a proof of Turing-completeness
< 1577990398 134184 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even for many counters
< 1577990407 207382 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: it does give some information. it links to useful books.
< 1577990428 31501 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put one of those books there, one where I read that proof
< 1577990481 266994 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1577990485 722278 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually minsky machine is really interesting
< 1577990508 488104 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does it mean that two celled brainfuck is also turing complete?
< 1577990524 110303 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mindblowing
< 1577990549 292639 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how for example do you calculate modulus of a number on this two register machine or two cells brainfuck
< 1577990581 533187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't think so
< 1577990614 571050 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but brainfuck with a fixed constant number of bigint cells is Turing-complete
< 1577990638 661586 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Computational_class says that 3 cells are enough
< 1577990639 418330 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two bigint cells
< 1577990645 305243 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh!
< 1577990646 247822 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three
< 1577990648 83255 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not two
< 1577990663 503240 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :three for Brainfuck
< 1577990691 798658 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1577990692 951094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need one extra for conditionals
< 1577990703 865054 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two integers is enough for Turing-completeness for a Minsky machine, but requires double-exponential slowdown; three counters or more for a Minsky machine requires only an exponential slowdown
< 1577990705 562602 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if brainfuck had a digit near instruction
< 1577990707 218131 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fixed digit
< 1577990711 784776 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no pointer movement'
< 1577990716 687210 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it seems like more constraining)
< 1577990725 604944 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be turing complete aswell with two cells
< 1577990738 768169 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a "digit near instruction"?
< 1577990762 702848 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3+4- => will increment cell 3 and decrement cell 4
< 1577990825 894021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what control flow do you have? the control flow instructions are the real difference. you can just use < and > to choose cells
< 1577990836 752954 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? Why can't you translate that to >>>+>-<<< 1577990985 957393 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68628&oldid=68616 5* 03Star651 5* (+16) 10/* A */
< 1577991013 222601 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm thinking about
< 1577991017 979299 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use these as stacks
< 1577991044 45680 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> and << are implementable just using */ so it may be possible to have two "stacks" on this brainfuck variant
< 1577991109 298390 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's actually a PDA
< 1577991111 702673 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has two stacks
< 1577991114 401368 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a turing machine
< 1577991116 748609 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes no sense
< 1577991123 888486 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to extract a value off the stack one needs modulus
< 1577991137 316615 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's impossible to extract it using just three cells
< 1577991240 192575 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof has been made using collatz function
< 1577991244 639303 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1577991381 565389 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.9.253.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelated) how do you represent cell complexes of arbitrary dimension? I’d use a dictionary from cells to their default orientations (in terms of default orientations of their boundary cells, downto points which are oriented unconditionally as e. g. positive) and then some dictionaries to represent the incidence, like boundaries and coboundaries, or just a plain dump of all incident cells for each of them, but which of these choices h
< 1577991381 681239 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.9.253.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ave a chance to be the most practical?..
< 1577991418 1137 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.9.253.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :default orientations would be useful to supplement the incidence info
< 1577991435 254688 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.9.253.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one would be able to represent oriented paths etc.
< 1577991546 413481 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.9.253.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there should be a quirk distinguishing internal orientations (the usual ones) and external ones (like in pseudovectors vs. vectors), as one can’t orient the Moebius strip complex in the internal way but can in external one
< 1577991582 745210 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.9.253.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t see where the changes would be in the representation description above
< 1577991656 565437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: anyway, you're right, we should probably add a proof to the Minsky machine article about how they're turing-complete by simulating a multi-stack machine
< 1577991665 330584 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ideally also the crazy proof for the two-counter machine
< 1577991682 8092 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Nopfunge can only directly simulate the two-counter machine
< 1577991720 297044 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crazy proof for the two-counter machine"
< 1577991725 935987 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'll spend my time on
< 1577991727 242665 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1577991740 925631 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I'll learn some about CS
< 1577991850 173204 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'll have to check the pages for ais's languages, one of them might already have a proof, since many of them are Minsky-based
< 1577991856 385489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :including The Waterfall Model
< 1577991941 950289 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: "crazy" is only my opinion, I think ais or oerjan don't find it crazy
< 1577991962 246283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's crazy in essentials, that is, the simulation must be crazy in that it needs the double-exponential slowdown as far as I understand
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< 1577992522 654545 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to think for a while about it
< 1577992526 795638 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and top it off with asm2bf backend
< 1577992533 440970 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my lifespan is long enough
< 1577992548 947311 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially subleq
< 1577992554 352727 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but better and worse in a couple of cases
< 1577992572 977011 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incdecne seems like a good name
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< 1577993130 267487 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That collatz construction is pretty tricky.
< 1577993217 509001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was around when oerjan came up with that one, but I don't recall looking at it in detail before just now.)
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< 1577995071 580658 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an easy construction though, to translate a Minsky machine to brainfuck with bigint cells, where you assign a cell for each state of the Minsky, you set it to 1 if that's the current state and 0 otherwise, and the brainfuck program tests each of those state cells and performs its actions if it's set. this leads to a brainfuck program that uses bounded size tape, but the tape size depends on the 
< 1577995077 587142 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :size of the Minsky program.
< 1577997216 353545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sure, it all gets pretty simple if you add more cells.
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> 1577998404 358779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hex9614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68635&oldid=68615 5* 03Hex96 5* (+44) 10/* List of esolangs */
> 1577998452 261694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hex9614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68636&oldid=68635 5* 03Hex96 5* (-5) 10/* List of esolangs */
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> 1577998821 394708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WCDA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68639&oldid=68638 5* 03Hex96 5* (+13) 10/* Hello, World! (21 bytes) */
> 1577998839 430671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WCDA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68640&oldid=68639 5* 03Hex96 5* (-10) 10/* Hello, World! (21 bytes) */
> 1577998848 985395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WCDA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68641&oldid=68640 5* 03Hex96 5* (-1) 10/* Hello, World! (21 bytes) */
> 1577998905 810475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WCDA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68642&oldid=68641 5* 03Hex96 5* (-13) 10/* Hello, World! (21 bytes) */
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> 1578001325 849899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68643&oldid=68624 5* 03Lebster 5* (+193) 10added SSL
< 1578003152 129920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, I have to do this
< 1578003157 161905 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +%Y
< 1578003158 57071 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020
< 1578003162 371716 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ looks wrong
< 1578003170 648018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're in the future
< 1578003661 40473 :subleq!~gavin@207.173.246.52 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1578003792 633365 :LBPHacker!lbphacker@trigraph.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +%G
< 1578003793 517067 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020
< 1578003941 169375 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +%C%C
< 1578003942 68893 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020
< 1578004002 840035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added some more tropes for the story of GURPS game I play. But see if you agree/disagree
< 1578004040 393360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +%S%S
< 1578004041 507658 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2121
< 1578004043 85366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date +%d%d | tac  # if we're being silly
< 1578004044 84501 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0202
< 1578004058 909729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I forgot what tac actually does.
< 1578004063 294684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rev
< 1578004072 429366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date +%d%d | rev  # then
< 1578004073 373214 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020
< 1578004092 726205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, now you are silly, I suppose, and at this time, it works.
< 1578004132 65361 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei
< 1578004132 839821 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020-01-02 22:28:52.455 +0000 UTC January 2 Thursday 2020-W01-4
< 1578004147 429430 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date 2019 
< 1578004148 265533 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: invalid date '2019'
< 1578004150 985393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +2019 
< 1578004151 869388 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019
< 1578004153 481382 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better
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