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01:31:29 <oerjan> https://xkcd.com/2250/ OKAY
01:33:40 <fizzie> Acknowledged.
01:37:02 <ArthurStrong> Hi all.
01:38:44 <oerjan> i find this edit a bit disturbing https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/rev/df528347dad2
01:39:21 <oerjan> `t doag interps/bfi
01:39:24 <HackEso> 12288:2020-01-02 <kspalaiologös> `` cp /hackenv/lib/kps/bfi /hackenv/interps/
01:39:33 <oerjan> oh
01:40:02 <oerjan> wait a minute, did it exist before, or not?
01:40:25 <fizzie> I don't think it did, actually.
01:40:25 <oerjan> apparently not. i guess it's ok then.
01:40:48 <oerjan> the repo browser is misleading
01:41:16 <fizzie> It does kind of break the interps structure a little.
01:41:35 <fizzie> Though it's not the first thing that does.
01:42:45 <fizzie> Arguably the "right" way to integrate with ! would be to put the sources in interps/subdir and, if it needs building, add to interps/Makefile. But nobody cares.
01:44:07 <fizzie> `` ls -l /hackenv/{bin/bfi,interps/bfi,lib/kps/bfi} # I mean, this is a little silly
01:44:12 <HackEso> ​-rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 13424 Nov 15 14:11 /hackenv/bin/bfi \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 19048 Jan 2 15:22 /hackenv/interps/bfi \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 19048 Dec 31 17:47 /hackenv/lib/kps/bfi
01:44:39 <fizzie> The last two are the same, I think the first one might be a much earlier version, and/or a different BF interpreter altogether.
01:45:37 <fizzie> (And then there's interps/egobf/src/egobfiNN, with different genetics.)
01:47:54 <oerjan> `t doat interps
01:47:56 <HackEso> 996:2012-12-09 <Gregör> tar xf egobot.tar.xz \ 1073:2012-12-14 <FireFl̈y> glass \ 4791:2014-09-07 <oerjän> interp glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o)o.?]} \ 4909:2014-09-29 <oerjän> sed -i \'s/ulimit/#ulimit/\' interps/gcccomp/gcccomp \ 4916:2014-09-29 <oerjän> sed -i \'47iecho "$GCC" -x "$LANG" "$2" $FLAGS -o /tmp/compiled.$$ 2> /dev/null\' interps/gcccomp/gcccomp \ 4917:2014-09-29 <oerjän> revert \ 4918:2014-09-29 <oerjän> sed -i
01:48:24 <oerjan> hm it was fairly early
01:49:44 <oerjan> `dowt zzo38
01:49:46 <HackEso> 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import.
01:51:13 <oerjan> b_jonas: the EgoBot import weren't quite from the start of HackEgo
01:51:18 <oerjan> *+s
01:51:56 <oerjan> (and even the Initial import wasn't quite the start, there was some history squashing at that point.)
01:52:54 <fizzie> My fallible recollection suggests HackEgo and EgoBot coincided for some time, which would mean there wouldn't've been a need for an EgoBot import, because the real thing was around.
01:55:14 <oerjan> yeah
01:55:51 <oerjan> i think EgoBot stayed around somewhat after the import too.
01:56:01 <oerjan> on and off
02:19:32 <zzo38> Is some people on like to make Magic: the Gathering cards or cards for other kind of card game?
02:24:57 <zzo38> I looked now they added a new function flag SQLITE_INNOCUOUS into SQLite, indicating a function with no side effects and few resources and that it is safe for use in a trigger or view.
02:27:38 <kmc> SQLite: the Gathering
02:29:30 <zzo38> My two messages are independent.
02:30:18 <kmc> but what if they weren't?
02:31:11 <zzo38> Maybe you can make up such a thing anyways; I don't know.
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03:00:39 <oerjan> reading the iwc forum is so much faster after the upgrade now that i found the "unread posts" menu
03:00:48 <oerjan> *menu item
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03:01:00 <oerjan> which may or may not have always been there
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03:12:16 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68673&oldid=58153 * Gamer * (+2) /* Control Flow Commands */
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03:30:53 <zzo38> How does the printing work for the printing cards of such card game as Magic: the Gathering and so on?
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04:00:49 <zzo38> I made a list of some of the differences of TeXnicard and MSE: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/wiki?name=Differences+between+TeXnicard+and+MSE
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07:28:25 <zzo38> I saw someone made up this Magic: the Gathering card: {0} Instant ;; Split second I think I had the same idea too. Someone commented "There are many more dignified ways to raise your storm count." but I think storm count is not the point.
07:29:15 <zzo38> There are ways to use split second to your advantage even if the spell has no other effect.
07:31:40 <zzo38> Do you think it is?
08:41:03 <esowiki> [[Ekg]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68674&oldid=68651 * JonoCode9374 * (+1580) /* Very WIP Reference List */
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09:35:51 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * JonoCode9374 * moved [[Ekg]] to [[Keta]]: I decided upon a better name
09:36:33 <esowiki> [[Keta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68677&oldid=68675 * JonoCode9374 * (+3)
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09:49:55 <kspalaiologos> fizzie, the /hackenv/bin interpreter is outdated (v1.1.1 -> v1.2.6)
09:50:05 <kspalaiologos> I should have removed it, but I forgot.
09:50:16 <kspalaiologos> ``` rm -f /hackenv/bin/bfi
09:50:24 <HackEso> No output.
09:50:30 <kspalaiologos> ``` whereis bfi
09:50:31 <HackEso> bfi:
09:50:52 <kspalaiologos> ``` cp /hackenv/lib/kps/bfi /hackenv/bin/
09:50:54 <HackEso> No output.
09:51:00 <kspalaiologos> ``` whereis bfi
09:51:01 <HackEso> bfi: /hackenv/bin/bfi
09:51:28 <kspalaiologos> lag?
09:51:37 <kspalaiologos> hackenv/bin -> this is in the path, so asmbf script can work
09:52:13 <kspalaiologos> hackenv/lib/kps -> there are all the binaries, including bfasm, bfpp, bfmake, ...
09:52:29 <kspalaiologos> hackenv/[...]/interps -> you suggested me to put it here :p
09:53:23 <kspalaiologos> so in the end it has a couple of intergrations
09:53:30 <kspalaiologos> `! asmbf mov r1, .0/out r1
09:53:32 <HackEso> 0
09:53:42 <kspalaiologos> ``` asmbf mov r1, .0/out r1
09:53:43 <HackEso> No output.
09:53:52 <kspalaiologos> ``` asmbf mov r1, .0/out r1 && bfi output.b
09:53:53 <HackEso> 0
09:54:05 <kspalaiologos> `asmbf mov r1, .0/out r1
09:54:11 <HackEso> No output.
09:54:14 <kspalaiologos> ^this should display the code
09:54:16 <kspalaiologos> but it doesn'
09:54:20 <kspalaiologos> t for some reason, but it
09:54:22 <kspalaiologos> 's ok
10:02:43 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage:Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68678&oldid=68654 * Lebster * (-1132) deleted page
10:03:02 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68679&oldid=68661 * Lebster * (+1077) merged seperate page
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10:20:15 <Lykaina> hi
10:23:00 <Lykaina> i play nylea as my commander
10:24:33 <Lykaina> i think this is the wrong chatroom for mtg
10:29:14 <Lykaina> "nylea, god of the hunt", to be specific
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10:51:15 <zoobab> hi
10:51:38 <Lykaina> hi
10:51:45 <zoobab> what is the easiest BF fork to modify, I want to make my own language
10:54:25 <b_jonas> zoobab: if you want to make your own language, do not base it on anything BF-related.
10:55:13 <zoobab> which one do you recommend?
10:55:44 <zoobab> it is more of a joke language
10:56:18 <zoobab> taking the 8 instructions of BF and replacing them with 8 words
10:56:21 <zoobab> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
10:57:22 <zoobab> a bit like Babylang: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Babylang
11:07:11 <myname> zoobab: there should be an entry about "trivial bf replacements" in the wiki
11:07:33 <myname> just do something cooler
11:08:11 <esowiki> [[Keta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68680&oldid=68677 * JonoCode9374 * (+1) /* DDoouubbllee SSppeeaakk */
11:08:47 <esowiki> [[Keta]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68681&oldid=68680 * JonoCode9374 * (+1) /* N(e(s(t))) a string */
11:10:13 <myname> b_jonas: you _can_ do interesting bf-based languages, though. i like bf2d
11:10:40 <myname> or some of these self modifying variants
11:11:28 <myname> but simply replacing symbols with other symbols is the laest way to do something
11:11:38 <zoobab> url for bf2d?
11:12:22 <zoobab> no hits for bf2d on the wiki
11:13:19 <myname> http://think-strange.de/stuff/projects/brainfuck2d/
11:13:24 <b_jonas> myname: it's possible, but not recommended
11:14:29 <myname> yeah, if you can come up with something like that, you can probably do better
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11:55:31 <esowiki> [[User:Goldos24]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68682 * Hex96 * (+85) Created page with "Hi there ~~~~."
13:07:50 <esowiki> [[Keta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68683&oldid=68681 * A * (+149)
13:08:30 <esowiki> [[Keta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68684&oldid=68683 * A * (-9) Pretend that I'm the author as this is how the article is written
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13:28:34 <fizzie> `` rm /hackenv/bin/bfi; ln -s /hackenv/lib/kps/bfi /hackenv/bin/bfi # no need for actual copies that you can forget to delete though
13:28:36 <HackEso> No output.
13:28:50 <fizzie> s/delete/update/
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13:39:21 <fizzie> And really the interps integration is an alternative, not really an addition. I don't think anything actually uses that copy of 'bfi', since even ibin/asmbf just uses the one in the path.
13:39:35 <fizzie> `` rm /hackenv/interps/bfi
13:39:37 <HackEso> No output.
14:01:11 <esowiki> [[User:Goldos24]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68685&oldid=68682 * A * (-85) Editing a userpage seems inappropriate. Please put the message in the talk page instead.
14:05:46 <esowiki> [[Keta]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68686&oldid=68684 * A * (-1) /* Very WIP Reference List */
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16:46:39 <esowiki> [[EE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68687 * Goldos24 * (+6705) Created page with "EE is an [[Esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Goldos24]] and '''MisterJaJo''' in 2019. It is just another fully backwards compatible one-dimensional brainfuck..."
17:23:39 <int-e> fungot: Do you think 3 minutes is a long time?
17:23:40 <fungot> int-e: ptah: known under various names ( nu, neph, cenubis, amen-kneph, khery-bakef), the lord rose and went forth halting; but there were nothing but two areas of blank skin.
17:46:34 <arseniiv_> ^style
17:46:34 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
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17:47:41 <arseniiv> how do you find pineapples, dear fungot?
17:47:41 <fungot> arseniiv: a wand of, *wand: ' i would do it; and a mighty figure with four arms. he is an abundance of food but, trusting his own excavations. ( don quixote of la mancha by miquel de cervantes saavedra)
17:48:14 <arseniiv> hm surreal enough
17:49:04 <arseniiv> today I found out about “session types” from this: https://github.com/dmbarbour/glas-lang/wiki/Why-Session-Types
17:49:27 <arseniiv> don’t know it they’re researched that well?
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18:17:22 <kmc> arseniiv: oh, Rust had that in its very early versions
18:17:42 <arseniiv> kmc: how did it go?
18:17:46 <kmc> I think
18:17:49 <kmc> or was that something else
18:17:50 <kmc> not sure
18:18:05 <arseniiv> ah
18:18:32 <kmc> maybe i'm confusing it with something else
18:18:34 <kmc> typestate
18:18:35 <kmc> that's it
18:18:42 <kmc> I think session types are just a bit unwieldy to use
18:19:05 <kmc> also there are libraries for various langs
18:19:09 <kmc> which obviates the need for a language feature
18:19:11 <kmc> http://munksgaard.me/papers/laumann-munksgaard-larsen.pdf
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19:11:46 <arseniiv> I’m recently quite into reading articles on extensible variants and records, though do I read them so slow because all other distractions…
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22:48:45 <b_jonas> `? mroman
22:48:47 <HackEso> mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function. He's also an artist in unconventional warfare.
22:48:47 <b_jonas> `? blsq
22:48:49 <HackEso> See: Burlesque
22:48:51 <b_jonas> `? burlesque
22:48:52 <HackEso> Burlesque is only the sexiest language on Earth. (See: http://mroman.ch/burlesque)
22:50:07 <b_jonas> `learn Burlesque is only the sexiest language on Earth. mroman created it for finance analysis because the traditionally used K and Dyalog APL are unreadable. (See: http://mroman.ch/burlesque )
22:50:21 <HackEso> Relearned 'burlesque': Burlesque is only the sexiest language on Earth. mroman created it for finance analysis because the traditionally used K and Dyalog APL are unreadable. (See: http://mroman.ch/burlesque )
23:24:19 <zzo38> I may need some help to make the templates and so on for TeXnicard, so anyone who is interested in such thing should please to do so.
23:51:45 <zzo38> I remember some time ago someone on here mentioned a data format that you will just store in memory and then read it directly, without having to parse it to make a tree first, and that there is the requirement that it does not start with a valid UTF-8 character. I think the PostScript binary format satisfies this; I made a set of C macros to deal with it.
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