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00:36:19 <oerjan> b_jonas: i knew about C = cold/chaud/caldo, but i didn't know hungarian completed the confusion...
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01:54:10 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Lebster * uploaded "[[File:Qwerty.png]]": UK QWERTY Standard keyboard layout graphic
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01:59:12 <esowiki> [[Rogex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69579&oldid=69386 * Lebster * (+0) consistent case
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02:48:03 <imode> hm.
02:48:14 <oerjan> mh?
02:49:31 <imode> 2020-02-02-20:20:02:02 is coming up.
02:54:22 <kmc> :O
02:54:31 <kmc> thanks for reminding me
02:54:38 <imode> np.
02:54:57 <kmc> I'm in PST
02:55:01 <imode> same.
02:58:56 <zzo38> I am also PST
03:01:06 <imode> up here in washington.
03:04:56 <Hooloovo0> shoot, I missed it
03:05:02 <Hooloovo0> (CST)
03:09:26 <zzo38> Due to my testing, TeXnicard image mask format seems to work better for its purpose than the other formats I have tried. Maybe it is useful outside of TeXnicard; I don't know. (It is called TeXnicard image mask format because the format was invented for TeXnicard, although it may be useful with other applications too.)
03:10:05 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/artifact/24fb5fb375602b54
03:13:31 <zzo38> Do you know of a similar format?
04:21:04 <imode> happy uber-palindrome day, west coast.
04:21:23 <zzo38> There is the timeline of programming languages in Wikipedia, but many of them they do not explain it much.
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06:53:40 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69580&oldid=68725 * Dtuser1337 * (+21418)
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07:55:30 <Hooloovo0> ~hand
07:56:20 <Hooloovo0> `hand
07:56:22 <HackEso> hand? No such file or directory
07:56:32 <Hooloovo0> `?hand
07:56:32 <HackEso> ​?hand? No such file or directory
07:58:44 <Hooloovo0> `? hand
07:58:46 <HackEso> A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
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09:07:06 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69581&oldid=69170 * Dtuser1337 * (+162) ;)
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11:45:27 <wib_jonas> so there's an O strip promised for later today. presumably in some American timezone. we'll keep watching. in the meantime, there's a news entry about the forum.
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15:11:16 <rain1> hello
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16:05:05 <arseniiv> ¡ı̣ɥ
16:09:31 <rain1> hey
16:09:36 <rain1> can you recommend any books?
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16:55:49 <Taneb> rain1: I read The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul recently
16:55:56 <Taneb> It was enjoyable
17:02:08 <rain1> thanks!
17:16:11 <Taneb> (second in the Dirk Gently series by Douglas Adams)
17:58:30 <Hooloovo0> moby dick is... an interesting book
17:59:49 <Hooloovo0> it's like he set out to write an encyclopedia but starts off with two men getting married
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18:10:57 <kmc> rain1: what kind of book do you like
18:25:27 <rain1> i like sci fi and science. im reading judea pearl's book 'the book of why' right now
18:25:33 <rain1> what about yoU?
18:25:42 <kmc> various types of books
18:27:00 <kmc> people in this channel might enjoy the novel Recursion by Blake Crouch
18:28:25 <rain1> woah i just read that
18:28:31 <rain1> that's the first book i read this year
18:28:43 <rain1> i really liked it, did you like it?
18:30:48 <kmc> yes
18:31:05 <kmc> I thought it was great
18:31:45 <kmc> have you read anything by Nick Harkaway?
18:38:38 <kspalaiologos> I can recommend a book
18:38:44 <kspalaiologos> ANSI C Programming by Dennis Ritchie
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19:06:53 <rain1> tNick Harkaway? no. I was thinking of reading some rudy rucker
19:09:48 <b_jonas> `olist 1190
19:09:49 <HackEso> olist 1190: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
19:13:31 <rain1> might try Gnomon
19:28:11 <b_jonas> whoa
19:28:57 <b_jonas> The Giant, author of the O strip, has caved in. he previously claimed that he doesn't want to accept donations, because he's already behind with the Kickstarter run (due to both overpromising and his hand injury),
19:29:33 <b_jonas> and doesn't want to accept money if he can't give any thing concrete in exchange, but can't promise new things either until he finishes the Kickstarter. So he said that if you want to support him, buy his books or the various merchandise.
19:30:08 <b_jonas> But now, he set up a Patreon for donations, with the pretty good excuse that it helps cover costs of the server for the forum, and
19:31:01 <b_jonas> simultaneously claims that there won't be extra content locked behind the Patreon and that he'll release higher resolution versions of new OotS strips to supporters.
19:31:28 <b_jonas> Perhaps those are both true if he releases those high resolution versions to the general public a week later.
19:52:58 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69583&oldid=69581 * Dtuser1337 * (+22933) made it even better XD
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20:00:21 <zzo38> Or maybe he mean they are the same OotS strips for everyone but supporters have a higher resolution.
20:00:28 <esowiki> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69585&oldid=69584 * Dtuser1337 * (-11) Undo revision 69584 by [[Special:Contributions/Dtuser1337|Dtuser1337]] ([[User talk:Dtuser1337|talk]])
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20:02:50 <b_jonas> zzo38: it's definitely the same OotS strips for everyone
20:03:22 <b_jonas> what I don't know is just whether we'll be able to see the high res ones without supporting the Patreon account or buying the book, and when we'll be able to see them
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20:50:13 <zzo38> I am reading the documentation for Information Processing Language, which apparently influenced Lisp.
20:52:26 <zzo38> C is mostly good (and many of the programming languages trying to replace C tend to do it worse, in my opinion, although LLVM has some good features, but it isn't perfect either), but some things are bad, such as the syntax for octal numbers, and the syntax for types. And some things are difficult such as self-modifying code, associating data with a function (LLVM can do this), the preprocessor isn't good enough, etc
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21:23:11 <LKoen> the syntax for types, eh
21:23:32 <LKoen> A *B;
21:23:49 <LKoen> am I declaring a variable B of type A, or multiplying two variables A and B?
21:24:01 <LKoen> it gets worse in c++ :)
21:24:05 <kmc> you just need to read it in a spiral!
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21:35:27 <esowiki> [[CopyPasta Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69586&oldid=69553 * Rerednaw * (-497) /* Examples */
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22:21:57 <zzo38> I found a document where they compress pictures with a solid colour to compare the compression of different formats. PBM (either ASCII or binary, although they only consider the ASCII format) is O(n), and JPEG and lossy WebP also seems to be O(n) (but with a better constant factor). GIF works better than those formats, but has two "bumps"; the author of the document doesn't know why, but my guess is LZW resetting.
22:27:34 <zzo38> GIF and the others are still monotonic though. (Also, I think GIF does not actually require LZW resetting, and can continue using the maximum code, although the encoder presumably resets it anyways.) PNG, BPG, and lossless WebP all compress better than that, but are non-monotonic (for PNG, this is probably due to the filter bytes; for BPG, I don't know why). FLIF is best; it is O(1) and always fifteen bytes long.
22:32:03 <zzo38> TeXnicard image mask format is O(log n) in the case of a solid colour, although still it is usually smaller than FLIF except for very huge pictures. Farbfeld compressed with bzip2 (which they have not considered, but I have) seems to work better in this case than WebP, but worse than FLIF.
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