< 1583885656 127788 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :was here a holy war about whether ++ and -- (and specifically, both prefix and postfix kinds of these) are such a good thing in a language? < 1583885706 689962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just putting this out there for people who are interested: I've made a draft of what a 10+halt-waterclock interpreter for a TC language in The Waterfall Model could look like: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/and-high-rise.txt < 1583885713 295777 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: not really a hot holy war, but python and ruby silently don't have them < 1583885731 915810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't proved this TC, nor implemented the actual interpreter yet < 1583885742 36003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just described the basic design and what all the waterclocks are used for < 1583885746 847882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's quite possible there's a mistake < 1583885750 9198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought I'd post it anyway < 1583885768 77663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost certainly possible to do better than 10 but I thought I'd err on the side of producing something TC < 1583885802 661106 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah Python is amidst sane ones here :) (for what I think) < 1583885838 820079 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1583885849 65481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you also have a suspected order of magnitude on the upper bound of the waterfall matrix elements, as a function of the program size in some other more well-known computational model? < 1583885852 430757 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The Waterfall Model is nice < 1583885864 424809 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know how many exponentials you need < 1583885895 968136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: two of the matrix exponents are probably single-exponential in the size of a 2-tag system that emulates the program < 1583885910 113475 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also curious to how big the initial setup needs to be < 1583885914 375812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, actually 1, in this construction < 1583885921 988431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: a double-arrow number is enough, a single-arrow number might not be < 1583885935 175226 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ezpz < 1583885950 688805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't quite sure how powerful the pre-BB layers would be < 1583885974 117189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can reconfigure the machine between iterations you can make do with small numbers by constructing a Waterfall Model program whose purpose is to output a large number rather than to be a UTM < 1583885975 2317 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are less powerful for sure, but they are still layers < 1583885997 310191 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are roughly one arrow each < 1583885998 385508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but how about a 150***3 or 150***4 number? I'd like to know how many exponentials you need. a double arrow number like 150***150 is likely enough. < 1583886005 196103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I figured you'd probably find a way to create a double-arrow number < 1583886027 60317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, the issue is that you're encoding the UTM you want to run as the digits of a number < 1583886030 43485 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many of even your esolanguages need more than a few levels of exponential to simulate something sane < 1583886032 291220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's exponential in the size of the UTM < 1583886043 670147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, there are no inputs, only program < 1583886052 477811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both in the turing machine you run and the waterfall program < 1583886067 552661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believed I only used a double-exponential (2**(2**x)) once, and even in that situation it later turned out to be unnecessary < 1583886067 605113 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked as a function of the program size < 1583886071 119776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I believe < 1583886071 598066 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can probably make something like 5-7 arrows with just what we have < 1583886120 642127 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: though I guess in this case I have to ask this restricted to less than a hundred waterclocks, regardless of input program size, to be more relevant for M:tG < 1583886130 491848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this is a specific construction with 10 waterclocks < 1583886134 891305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ a halt waterclock < 1583886145 71751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I haven't figured out the details of yet, but have a basic plan for < 1583886163 7800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: I also guess that just a double arrow number like 150***150 should be enough for most programs < 1583886175 913646 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four arrows like you mentioned earlier should be more than enough < 1583886178 500836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to implement a version of High Rise in base 3 where carrying is disallowed, sequences 0 and 1 are empty, and sequence 2 alternates between a geometric progression and 0 < 1583886227 40240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that High Rise language, I'm about 99% confident has a fairly direct implementation of 2-tag < 1583886234 266462 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well once we run one BB we have access to that number so iterations really grow very fast < 1583886263 422672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via arranging the base of sequence 2's geometric progression so that the distances between pairs of 2s in the data string (with one intervening 2 between them) represent tag system elements < 1583886266 75895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: yes, the question is just how larege you need to start the bootstrapping < 1583886287 708193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( wait, only just now I noticed that zero arrows is the multiplication (and both can be denoted by an empty string), so arrow notation is even better than I thought! ) < 1583886292 43630 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost certainly won't be a problem in your M:tG construction, but I'm still curious for reasons other than that construction < 1583886295 542079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm also fairly confident that a The Waterfall Model program using the waterclock assignment I linked above can be made to implement it < 1583886309 386996 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking the logs for it < 1583886342 49824 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack4.org/pastebin/and-high-rise.txt this link? < 1583886343 420714 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that should work. and how many exponentials do you need to encode *to* a 2-tag system < 1583886354 995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if you have a double-arrow startup, you could make do with a fixed program (and simply varying the initial waterclock sizes) by writing a UTM in 2-tag and hardcoding that < 1583886359 352216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: right < 1583886372 387383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: although it's just a thought dump rather than presented in a way that's easy to follow < 1583886377 191567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/High_Rise might help for some context < 1583886408 180483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably end up writing out the explicit proofs and Waterfall Model machine at some point, but likely not in the next few days because I have a day job < 1583886434 732105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know offhand how complex UTMs in 2-tag are < 1583886435 851460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1583886463 872780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not asking for an UTM there, rather how large the tag system program is as a function of the program you're compiling from < 1583886468 912525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with languages that are "well known" to be TC is that I often haven't proved them TC myself and thus don't have much of an intuitive idea of what the complexities are like < 1583886483 466218 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for the Waterfall model, you need an UTM so that the program always fits in 150 or so waterclocks, because the M:tG construction can't handle more < 1583886503 440647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, this is the usual trick when optimising universal machines < 1583886517 860028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want your machine to be small, so you want as little code as possible, so much of the complexity is in the data < 1583886527 12178 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess that's true < 1583886539 572917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only care about program size, not runtime (and we don't care about runtime here), then an UTM probably helps < 1583886548 22381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at, e.g., Three Star Programmer or the I/D machine < 1583886568 308602 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we have to do shenanigans to get 124 clocks < 1583886583 856445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreters are ridiculously simple and small, but writing a program to do anything is very complex because you have to code all the basic operations you want into the program itself < 1583886592 693263 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1583886595 484682 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 and under requires much less restriction on the setu < 1583886600 974325 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setup < 1583886632 305118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three Star Programmer requires a complex one-time setup just to be able to write to specific memory addresses, for example, then needs to neutralise the extra copies of that setup on every future iteration because it has no way to run code only once < 1583886657 251456 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like 10 is going to be enough for TC-ness < 1583886660 586336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: that's why I was aiming for 12 as a target, it's nice to have a concrete number rather than continuously worry about if I'm wasting a waterclock somewhere < 1583886672 599185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 10 is almost certainly improvable, but I can't immediately see how < 1583886678 624446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no way to run code only once" => oh no... Countercall < 1583886696 560094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think oerjan proved Countercall sub-TC? although I can't remember < 1583886710 103785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he? < 1583886722 879602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be in the IRC logs from around when Countercall was created < 1583886735 968624 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also reading the logs, there are actually two ways for the MTG program to halt < 1583886742 796100 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either by killing them < 1583886756 898708 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by killing all of the other arcbonded creatures < 1583886791 620851 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one can be delayed in a BB method and we can prevent them from dying < 1583886864 697664 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the creatures with arcbond act as the halting clock < 1583886876 226401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nice thing about your construction is that I think it has no limit on "self-reset" values, right? < 1583886883 267022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a waterclock that zeroes can set itself to any value < 1583886889 650308 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1583886915 520913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the Hungry Lynx construction, I used Elesh Norn partly for the static +2/+2, giving me a self-reset max of 4, because I was worried it might not be high enough < 1583886926 518227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I think we subsequently discovered that a self-reset of 3 is enough) < 1583886950 95471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but large self-resets might be needed for the 10-waterclock construction < 1583886997 719505 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the +1/+1 from dralnu's crusade means we can't reset ourself smaller than 2 < 1583886997 811257 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not entirely sure, but I think oerjan only conjectured that Countercall is not TC, and proved something much weaker < 1583887004 41057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1583887014 587369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: there's no issue with low self-resets < 1583887014 858170 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's what it seems from checking the logs again < 1583887018 148264 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be hiding anywhere < 1583887022 158802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always just increase all the other waterclocks to compensate < 1583887035 205159 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it is worth noting < 1583887055 46500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, definitely worth being aware of all your limitations < 1583887116 530539 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you need any of the "growing"/"flooding" type clocks those don't count towards the 12 limit < 1583887166 366530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I figured that out; it might be interesting to try to create a UTM with some number of those < 1583887181 906491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want to store data using the length of time the program had been running < 1583887200 853879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with the help of a few normal clocks, though, it'd be a pain to keep things under control < 1583887209 340249 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seems really chaotic < 1583887221 527040 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile < 1583887412 912519 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, it's useful to know that you will probably be able to prove that 10 or 12 clocks are enough < 1583887435 376259 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for turing-completeness that is < 1583887447 802159 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that 10 proof looks close so 12 is almost assured < 1583887511 516098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, since we're talking about M:tG, I wanted to advertise the play-by-post M:tG variant game that we're running: https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?601011 < 1583887615 121791 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :three card blind always interesting < 1583887632 688254 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :each round, players secretly choose a 3-card deck, then they're revealed, then each deck plays two games against each other deck, you don't lose for drawing from an empty library, all game information that would normally be hidden is known, we figure out the result of each game assuming perfect play, < 1583887650 306025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like 3-card blind so far < 1583887661 571543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume luck always goes against the player who put the luck card in their deck? < 1583887665 775358 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first forum name was to participate in that on the old WotC < 1583887668 656561 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forums < 1583887679 105995 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :players get a point for a draw and three points for a match won, the player with the most points in that round wins the round and an internet point and right to boast. < 1583887696 477158 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC luck was decided by the opponent < 1583887761 380294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's 3-card blind, and yes, random choices go against the person who put that card in their deck < 1583887886 305976 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's vanishing, which means that the cards from the deck that won a round are banned from future rounds, except certain cards like basic lands and storage lands are immune to getting banned this way. < 1583887964 323615 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you aren't allowed to mulligan, despite that with the latest mulligan rule it would actually help you if you could < 1583888003 85421 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently the player base is conservative and not used to the new mulligan rule yet, so they don't want to upset the meta from that < 1583888138 13680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of many situations where you'd prefer to have a card in your deck than in your hand < 1583888146 416413 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :miracles < 1583888147 493494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you're going second and the opponent is playing Thoughtseize or the like? < 1583888157 693782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, miracles, didn't think of that one but it's obvious now you said it < 1583888162 802075 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1583888191 547650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's sort of why the situation didn't come up before the current mulligan rule < 1583888197 65910 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but read the new mulligan rule: < 1583888264 363335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put cards from hand on the bottom of your library, so you choose which one you put there < 1583888269 752063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than it being random < 1583888270 500886 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1583888289 725900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it mostly protects you from Burning Inquiry and other discards < 1583888305 147311 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it would < 1583888311 237194 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not completely, but to a very large amount < 1583888325 25117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only we don't allow mulliganing, as a house rule, so nope < 1583888351 855950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have a house rule to not lose by outdraw < 1583888360 895107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that can happen during mulligans in regular MTG < 1583888364 409113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit of a weird interaction < 1583888384 11846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, it requires Shahrazad to be possible in a black-border game) < 1583888422 429377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, we did manage to get strange metas from newly released broken cards, most notably the non-black-bordered small print run cards Impatient Iguana and Mirror Lotus < 1583888434 674642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Mirror Lotus/Mirrored Lotus/ < 1583888511 903669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name mirrored lotus < 1583888512 740131 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1583888529 278947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, is this from Unsanctioned? < 1583888529 588050 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*newly released* < 1583888532 967363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1583888548 922859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Mystery Booster Playtest < 1583888562 247498 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: technically does not require Shahrazad anymore, because of Karn Liberated, but that won't come up in a real game, because you'll win before it'd happen < 1583888566 478172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1583888570 652197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't a silver-bordered card, it has a black border and a "not for constructed play" footer < 1583888585 831287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't say silver-bordered, I only said non-black-bordered < 1583888594 409642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not gold bordered < 1583888604 601446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it technically counts as having any border < 1583888614 258081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the border is black, though, with a few intrusions < 1583888633 232824 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the playtest cards < 1583888634 112133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't that just the border of the card that the playtest sticker is sticked on? < 1583888650 779336 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the properties of that card shouldn't matter < 1583888659 541529 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you can somehow see them < 1583888680 219526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the underlying card is part of the card, as printed, though < 1583888685 698458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sticker is also part of the card < 1583888691 436193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're on the same print sheet and printed together < 1583888703 227815 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, there probably won't be a judgement on this, because there are only three un-cards that care about whether a card is black-bordered < 1583888712 876286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the underlying card is part of the card; most of its properties don't matter because there's a sticker over it, but I'd argue it determines the border color < 1583888722 28199 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but the underlying card shouldn't matter to determine characteristics < 1583888730 461360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know < 1583888781 958471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sticker doesn't cover the border < 1583888784 318059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they are black-bordered then < 1583888798 557735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like host/augment, parts of the card are covered by the augment but those parts that aren't still count < 1583888808 621549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Curse of the Fire Penguin < 1583888813 429719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name curse of the fire penguin < 1583888814 295910 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse of the Fire Penguin \ 4RR \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Curse of the Fire Penguin consumes and confuses enchanted creature. \ UNH-R \ \ Curse of the Fire Penguin Creature \ 4RR \ Creature -- Penguin \ 6/5 \ Trample \ When this creature dies, return Curse of the Fire Penguin to the battlefield. \ UNH-R < 1583888837 743664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering how the bot would represent that thing < 1583888840 549569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a decent effort < 1583888858 641733 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think playtest stickers are like that. if they were, I'd make an Ulamog proxy such that the sticker happens to not cover the mana cost {W} < 1583888871 46277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the cards in question are not playtest stickers < 1583888878 5774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're cards whose design /looks/ like a playtest sticker < 1583888902 936505 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1583888905 553598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the sticker and underlying card are part of the same printed card, and in particular the underlying card is always the same < 1583888914 308341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and admittedly they made a good job where the playtest sticker covers almost everything < 1583888956 340953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd take border color and frame color from the underlying card, but pinline color from the sticker < 1583888968 58297 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then they're black-bordered cards that aren't valid for tournaments < 1583888973 758766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm not sure if M:tG will ever have a card that cares about pinline color < 1583888974 71656 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Form of the mulldrifter is clearly on a mulldrifter though < 1583888984 409406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even silver-bordered < 1583889002 797929 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that category already exists I think, because I think some very low print run cards were printed as black bordered with square corners rather than gold bordered < 1583889029 939095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinline color would be tricky because pre-Mirrodin cards don't have it < 1583889053 463082 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: heh, indeed < 1583889160 490389 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtGBusyBeaver: and One with Death is on One with Nothing < 1583889187 683775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One with Death is actually a fairly good card in constructed, IIRC < 1583889206 820081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are a few combos that force your opponent to resolve one of your spells, and that's about the strongest possible payoff for one of those < 1583889303 975869 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that sounds a bit hard to do. isn't the normal route just donating an Illusions of Grandeur or a Phage? < 1583889386 134534 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hive Mind + pact of negation < 1583889417 393133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Hive Mind is the most common core of the combo < 1583889419 604595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Hive Mind < 1583889420 530133 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hive Mind \ 5U \ Enchantment \ Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell, each other player copies that spell. Each of those players may choose new targets for their copy. \ M10-R < 1583889434 736394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need anything else when using One With Death because the opponent's copy resolves first < 1583889468 17009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal kill in tournaments uses pacts in the hope that the opponent doesn't have the right color of mana to pay for them < 1583889500 790809 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1583889578 90618 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played a Phage deck twice in the three card blind, got a second place from it once, and that one doesn't try to get the opponent to resolve Phage, just puts it to play under the opponent's control (as one path to win; the other is to just play it and attack with it) < 1583889755 678613 :MtGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583889834 825252 :MTGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1583890715 8204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1583892709 501871 :MTGBusyBeaver!4c69b9e2@c-76-105-185-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583893226 861192 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1583893292 769439 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1583893885 300100 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:183c:8db1:2043:551:5e7d JOIN :#esoteric < 1583894306 126735 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:183c:8db1:2043:551:5e7d QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1583894458 965510 :Anas10808!~unknown@43.245.8.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583894499 546689 :Anas10808!~unknown@43.245.8.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1583894528 717006 :Anas10808!~unknown@43.245.8.77 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1583900211 842853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Quadril-Is14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70245&oldid=69894 5* 03Quadril-Is 5* (+23) 10 < 1583900241 819658 :PkmnQ!781d4c56@120.29.76.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583900848 687668 :PkmnQ!781d4c56@120.29.76.86 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583911393 187118 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1583912042 349257 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:59e5:b6ae:b0f8:803a JOIN :#esoteric < 1583912053 711587 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75d6:cdc0:2a8c:6f84 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1583913156 980513 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583913280 148971 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1583913280 296754 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1583914386 525178 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583914608 952651 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1583915243 499657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-64.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1583916563 733453 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1583916742 128910 :MDead!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1583916934 219130 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1583916937 745699 :MDead!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net NICK :MDude < 1583917070 635991 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1583921228 189763 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583921316 207853 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the log bot seems to have stopped yesterday < 1583927330 678590 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1583929425 413017 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1583930288 817499 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1583931605 140391 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583933241 468568 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583933261 103627 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1583933428 900501 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583933611 332602 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583933766 754593 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583934166 736315 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583934253 67412 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1583934578 891764 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-aaeagmmblkltdfop QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1583934818 852380 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice! < 1583934851 623655 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created a stub at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Orca , and a few months later the person who created this esolang came along and edited more details onto the wiki < 1583934917 718381 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1583934920 986721 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including a scan of a print magazine article reviewing the language (or its implementation) < 1583934957 59536 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1583935049 286447 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if they came to the wiki because I wrote the stub, or on the other hand the stub was useless and they'd have written the wiki article anyway, though < 1583935069 826181 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is much more to explain, though < 1583935090 643061 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :explanations of examples would be lovely < 1583935125 993395 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there's a link saying "Tutorial Video on Youtube" < 1583935173 144319 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if i don't forget i will watch that later < 1583935381 38940 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the log bot is working now. and the previous one might have been false alarm. < 1583935737 959761 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1583936804 859734 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zjoagjvsfoxwfeot JOIN :#esoteric < 1583937583 171280 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1583938165 919816 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1583940363 694350 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1583940486 723053 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1583941752 897433 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1583941780 38771 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583941853 544192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1583941855 870021 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:378) elliott: You have become the very thing you fought for! \ 1254) actually a small trebuchet onto the balcony might work < 1583941864 34974 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1583943230 272088 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1583946241 690763 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite Goto14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=70246 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+181) 10Created page with "''Infinite Goto'' is a language by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]]. Programs in it will never end. ==Syntax== All lines have a number on them. Numbers less than 0 are treated..." > 1583946258 423638 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70247&oldid=70190 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* Languages */ < 1583947186 793967 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1583947623 528782 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the youtube video is interesting < 1583947630 854331 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to install it < 1583950186 740350 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there is a browser version also, the article says. Maybe it’s functional enough not to install locally (haven’t tried, but you’ve intrigued me into watching tutorial, maybe a bit later though) < 1583950429 287251 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded it, but i have no idea on how to create a midi device < 1583951053 661901 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a thing somewhere that creates a virtual midi device but that’s a windows one < 1583951509 109893 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583951663 915771 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1583952901 531904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite Goto14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70248&oldid=70246 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+965) 10 < 1583954043 676143 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1583956393 230100 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583956514 962790 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1583956673 829379 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1583956699 143644 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1583957082 909741 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.175.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing is interesting, though I’m not comfortable with that kind of music environments < 1583957412 62846 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583957437 388779 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1583958078 687023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite Goto14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70249&oldid=70248 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+509) 10/* Syntax */ < 1583958114 368480 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-206.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1583958121 277470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite Goto14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70250&oldid=70249 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+83) 10/* Storage */ < 1583959100 109587 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583959121 18328 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1583959190 639261 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1583959199 830068 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what level of smug prepper are you on right now < 1583959201 841843 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net NICK :Guest69050 < 1583959208 455320 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1583959209 845685 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1583959317 400280 :Guest69050!~Phantom@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1583959317 400346 :Guest69050!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1583959328 58392 :Guest69050!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover NICK :Phantom_Hoover > 1583960826 979228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite Goto14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70251&oldid=70250 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+555) 10/* Syntax */ and /* Examples */ < 1583965908 997776 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsksqtpjovvproyf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583965909 48116 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bghzyxxnbooorzxg QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583966030 174506 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ywmbylpmxewtpmyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1583966166 170494 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlzcczohjihborwr JOIN :#esoteric < 1583966211 368240 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583966211 625167 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otwvvlipeygejokz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583966371 430673 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1583966548 76481 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrpzbdvjezgxrmod JOIN :#esoteric < 1583966777 515664 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhvjebukmozxpoaa QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583966997 52314 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxsukoygearjipha JOIN :#esoteric < 1583967017 762027 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dznxhkhsrpaqtgpd QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583967017 817953 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxofvckrfpmolcbe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1583967190 271607 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghyzuqdvajivhjps JOIN :#esoteric < 1583967372 986392 :lynn_!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qhrpzgxcylkpquuh JOIN :#esoteric < 1583968784 338265 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1583969659 85977 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1583969887 925529 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70252&oldid=70242 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10/* M */ < 1583970202 365515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1583970228 142672 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70253&oldid=70252 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* I */