00:26:06 <esowiki> [[L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70824&oldid=66891 * LegionMammal978 * (-148) it's pretty obviously Python
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01:14:37 <zzo38> O, now the new rules of Magic: the Gathering say that companion cards must be shown when the game begins.
01:17:28 <esowiki> [[Leszek]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70826&oldid=22715 * LegionMammal978 * (+25) /* External resources */ fixed link
01:18:20 <zzo38> Now counters have timestamps too, and I don't really like that much.
01:20:19 <esowiki> [[Lhooq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70827&oldid=50016 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fixed title
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02:58:05 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[M-code]] to [[M-Code]]: fix capitalization
02:58:05 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Talk:M-code]] to [[Talk:M-Code]]: fix capitalization
02:58:58 <esowiki> [[M-Code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70837&oldid=70833 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) re-fixed capitalization based on the interpreter's documentation
03:04:35 <esowiki> [[M?!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70838&oldid=62346 * LegionMammal978 * (+129) added categories
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03:16:11 <esowiki> [[Rogex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70840&oldid=70839 * Lebster * (+146) /* Commands */
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04:25:33 <zzo38> According to "ncal -e" and "ncal -o", the Orthodox Easter is one week after the Catholic Easter this year.
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04:46:52 <b_jonas> imagine if televisions and analog cameras had originally been designed to scan lines alternatingly left and right, boustrophedon style! it would have made the PPUs of computer terminal so much more complicated, then later the computer software complicated, we'd still be dealing with some of the fallout from it, just like how we sometimes have to deal with interlaced video
04:49:15 <zzo38> Yes, although they didn't do that. Also many computers used 240p in order to avoid interlacing anyways, I think.
04:51:14 <b_jonas> zzo38: true, partly to avoid interlacing, and partly because the CPUs do 8 bit arithmetic, so having the width and height of the screen in pixels be just a bit lower than 256 (in the NES and the game boy) is both convenient for manipulating sprites and causes some amusing wraparound bugs (NES Jekyl and Hyde has the weirdest one, but there are minor ones in many other games)
04:54:22 <zzo38> Although the CRTC chip used in PC has a interlacing mode, although it isn't used in PC. (It also has a cursor blinking mode, which also isn't used in PC; the PC has its own logic for cursor blinking. I have the schematics, so I know how it is working, including the undocumented cyan/red/white mode.)
05:23:32 <b_jonas> I often see smbc comics that are very close to an xkcd strip, or backwards, but today is I think the first time when the strips for the same day are similar:
05:24:12 <b_jonas> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/inching vs https://xkcd.com/2292/ (for the future, because SMBC makes it very hard to find the strip for a given date)
05:29:02 <int-e> I'm reminded of https://futurism.com/coldest-hottest-temperatures-known-universe-infographic where a few of the higher temperatures are clearly estimates in Kelvin, converted to Celsius. (I remembered one, 99,999,999,726°C, but there are also 36,926°C and 6627°C.
05:29:31 * int-e wonders how many single-line closing parenthesis he has in the log. Must be quite a few.
05:30:01 <int-e> maybe I should try to compensate for them like this.)
05:32:05 <int-e> Oh I still missed a couple. But I'm sure you can find them yourself. :P
05:45:44 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, that's the smaller side-effect of pop articles refusing to write big numbers in mantissa-exponent form. the bigger side effect is that they write numbers like "100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000" that are totally uninformative unless you take the time to have a computer count the digits
05:46:24 <b_jonas> or similarly "hundred thousand million million million million million million"
05:47:10 <int-e> It's better than the unadorned 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000.
05:47:42 <b_jonas> dunno, at that point I don't bother counting by hand anyway, just have a computer do it
05:47:52 <b_jonas> well, at least in a digital text
05:48:17 <b_jonas> admittedly in printed text, the commas are better
05:48:41 <int-e> Well the groups of three do help. For example, they make 100,000,000,000 quite manageable to decipher.
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05:51:16 <int-e> (But pushing it beyond 4, maybe 5 groups, isn't very helpful. It's not like I have any sense of how big those numbers are anyway, except by switching to a logarithmic scale and pretending it means something.)
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05:52:26 <int-e> And basically that switch is what scientific notation does.
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08:47:34 <kritixilithos> b_jonas: thanks, i am able to follow this type derivation from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_cube#Formal_definition, but i guess i don't have the intuition yet
08:55:31 <b_jonas> kritixilithos: don't believe what I say about that type system either, I don't really understand it
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12:47:17 <arseniiv> hi hi a kind is kind, but a type isn’t that type
12:49:42 <arseniiv> hm I might have used “kinds” and “types” as I initially planned but then I thought that “types ... that type” would be for some reason ungrammatical, poor me
12:52:12 <arseniiv> kspalaiologos: there was a conversation about 20:21 UTC yesterday about kinds and types and I’ve read it only now :D
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13:30:26 <kspalaiologos> at first it sounded like the networks gonna collapse
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14:04:37 <esowiki> [[User:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70870&oldid=70869 * Palaiologos * (+118) irc nickname
14:05:18 <esowiki> [[User talk:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70871&oldid=67378 * Palaiologos * (-1460) clear my talk page
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15:07:17 <arseniiv> kspalaiologos: maybe fizzie knows?
15:08:02 <spruit11> Not even sure I added myself or my language Egel.
15:09:09 <arseniiv> kritixilithos: hi, if you don’t logread (as I am lazy to do very often, for example), there are some answers to your yesterday’s questions about kinds, approx. 21:00 UTC yesterday, and later
15:10:27 <kritixilithos> arseniiv: i've seen them, i even replied to b_jonas today, it seems you are the one who hasn't been logreading :P
15:13:58 <arseniiv> kritixilithos: yep I’m too late and I definitely hadn’t logread, I agree
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15:35:41 <esowiki> [[Stopwatch]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=70873 * GDavid * (+1877) Created page with "Stopwatch is a language invented by [[User:GDavid]]. == Program structure == A Stopwatch program consists of function declarations. The Main function is called on start. ==..."
15:36:45 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70874&oldid=70847 * GDavid * (+16) Stopwatch
15:47:00 <esowiki> [[Stopwatch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70875&oldid=70873 * GDavid * (+715) Examples
15:47:48 <esowiki> [[Stopwatch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70876&oldid=70875 * GDavid * (+33) sleep N return value
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16:17:24 <zzo38> I added another card (called "Master Shuffler") to my Un-cards file.
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16:33:49 <zzo38> How to access a SQLite database from a standalone PostScript program? (There is %pipe% to communicate with other programs, but it is only a one way pipe.)
16:41:51 <b_jonas> zzo38: you probably need to write an extension to the postscript interpreter in a way that's dependent on the specific interpreter for that
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17:01:10 <zzo38> It is one thing I thought that should be done in level 4 PostScript, to define a C API for extensions, and a dlopen operator which takes a filename and dictionary, and then the extension writes into the dictionary when loaded (the dlopen operator would not be allowed in safe mode, although if you use it before switching to safe mode, the extension that is already loaded is still usable).
17:02:56 <zzo38> Other things I thought should be done in level 4 PostScript is some of the stuff currently specific to Ghostscript, such as dictionaries in binary object format and the makeimagedevice operator and the %pipe% file, and also to make copypage to depend on the device whether or not it will erase the contents of the page, and a few other things.
17:06:16 <zzo38> Ghostscript does not support dynamic extensions; all extensions must be compiled in.
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17:18:46 <zzo38> (Ghostscript itself is usable as a dynamic extension for other programs, though.)
17:20:33 <kspalaiologos> I wonder how much overhead does yacc add compared to a hand-written parser
17:20:45 <kspalaiologos> because I'm not entirely sure is writing own parser worth it
17:23:12 <zzo38> It might depend on what syntax you need to parse, perhaps.
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19:05:40 <kspalaiologos> zzo38, +50 and more rules, small amount of symbols, rules are usually at most 3 deep
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19:28:35 <Sgeo> Saw a rumor about a famous mathematician dying from COVID-19. Not sure if I should repeat.
19:28:57 <esowiki> [[Tac Toe Toe Grow]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=70890 * Icecream17 * (+8529) New language! (Copied from user page and edited)
19:30:09 <imode> which mathematician.
19:30:32 <Sgeo> https://twitter.com/CardColm/status/1249038195880341505
19:31:27 <Sgeo> https://twitter.com/alexbellos/status/1249044593817116673
19:32:20 <imode> doesn't seem to be reliable..?
19:33:22 <imode> hoping it isn't reliable.
19:33:56 <HackEso> ‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’
19:35:09 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Icecream17 * moved [[Tac Toe Toe Grow]] to [[Tic Tac Toe Grow]]: How in the world did I make this mistake????
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19:56:41 <esowiki> [[Flurry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70894&oldid=70878 * Challenger5 * (-101)
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21:19:07 <zzo38> Do you like my "Master Shuffler" Un-card?
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21:26:40 <zzo38> You can shuffle one or more of: target planeswalker or player, target player's mana pool, your hand, each planar deck and each scheme deck, the layer system, and/or all timestamps.
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